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3 Core Challenges Youth Face | The Positively Healthy Mom with James McLamb
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Teens today are overwhelmed by pressure, comparison, and uncertainty—and parents often feel unsure how to help.
In this episode of The Positively Healthy Mom Podcast, host Laura Olinger talks with James McLamb, founder and CEO of Generation Youth, about the three biggest struggles teens face today and how we can guide them through self-image challenges, relationship stress, and finding purpose.
You’ll learn:
✨ What teens themselves say they’re struggling with most
✨ Why self-image shapes everything they do
✨ How relationship skills have changed since COVID
✨ Simple tools to help teens feel confident, grounded, and hopeful
✨ Why investing in mindset matters as much as academics or sports
This conversation will help you understand your teen on a deeper level—so you can support them with more clarity and confidence.
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Introduction to Positively Healthy Mom Podcast
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Welcome to the Positively Healthy Mom podcast, where positive parenting meets well-being. Hello and welcome to the Positively Healthy Mom podcast.
00:00:12
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i'm your host laura ainger teen and parent wellbeing coach and founder of Positively Healthy Coaching. And today I'm excited to introduce you to my guest, James McCleum. And James and I just recently made our acquaintance just yesterday. I got to be a guest on his awesome podcast. So now he's here today. So it's almost like we're continuing from where we left off in our conversation and getting to know each other.
Meet James McLam: Founder of Generation Youth
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So James, can you tell my audience a little bit about yourself, who you are where you come from and what is your passion in life? Thank you very much, Mark, for for um extend re-extending or reciprocating the invitation to be on your podcast. We had a lot of fun yesterday and I'm looking forward to today.
00:00:55
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i am James McLam. I am the founder and CEO of an organization called Generation Youth. And our passion is to equip adults specifically parents, teachers, and coaches who have a passion to see you thrive with the tools and equipment they need to
James McLam's Career Journey and Passion
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do that.
00:01:11
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We also want to empower the next generation to equip them with the tools they need to thrive too. So our programs are twofold. Most of it is focused towards the adults who are working with them, but we also really got started working with the younger generation as well, equipping them with those things. I was a teacher for a decade, then moved ah out of the classroom when my oldest daughter was born because my wife was a teacher as well. And we wanted to be able to have an income that could support ourselves in that. So went to to family businesses and was in that world for a while, but never lost my passion.
00:01:49
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working with you continued to speak at conferences camps churches wherever people would be willing to give me the opportunity i went and through that process i was able to build the organization generation youth it's originally called generation ziggler which as we continue our conversation today can share a little bit about how that journey happened as well so Yeah, yeah. Well, this is fantastic. And I know you bring such a, and and I love also that you you even have a degree from Clemson in, is it youth leadership? Is that...
Challenges Facing Today's Youth
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youth Youth development leadership is yeah the master's degree that I have in. That's amazing. That's amazing. I love it when things that we bring to the audience are research-backed. And it sounds like you just have all kind of the ducks in a row as far as the credentials, the real life experience, the experience, I'm sure, even as a parent bringing all these things to our audience today, which is where i want to get started, which is what are the three things that that you think are the biggest challenges that our youth are facing today?
00:02:56
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Well, how we came up with ah the three things that we identify that youth face is we ask them. We interviewed 2,500 young people from across the United States and England, and we asked them one simple question.
00:03:09
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What is the biggest issue, problem, obstacle, you know, however we phrased it, that your generation faces? And then we just let them talk. And we just... Just like listed their answers. Now I did most of the interviews. I had a partner who did a lot of them as well, but I did most of the interviews. They were conducted either one on one, a few in small groups, a very small sample size that we did virtually like online where we just sent out a survey and people filled in.
00:03:37
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But we just let them talk. yeah And most of the time, the young people would say several different things. But what we did when we got all these answers, or when we when we were about twoth about a third of the way through, we started...
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seeing some things and we started categorizing them and and we realized they all fell into three different areas with with a few outliners that were specific to that young person's situation.
Youth Issues: Self-Image, Relationships, and Goals
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you know We interviewed some some i teenagers from an Indian reservation in the Dakotas and their answers were very outside the others, but it was specific to their situation.
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But all three answers fell into one of three categories in this order of percentages. Now, again, a young person may have taught and said all three things. So that that's that's why that there are these three.
00:04:33
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But the number one issue that they struggle with, that the one that they identify the most is they struggle with their self-image. They doubt their identity. They feel like they're like they're a failure. They don't know who they are, whose they are. they They just struggle with this constant thing of who am I?
00:04:52
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What am I supposed to be? Who am I supposed to be? And how do I make this happen? You know, i don't form out who myself is. so They've got all these different things hitting them.
00:05:03
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Now, the answers that they gave us may be like, hey, social media makes me feel bad, or I feel like a failure all the time, or I can never live up to this, or I doubt myself. All of that fell into that self-image category. 85% of everybody we interviewed said something that would fall underneath that category.
00:05:24
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here That was the number one. The second biggest one, the one where where we had about 70 to 75%,
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was relationships. they They struggled with relationships. Now that's a big category. yeah It's a big category because it included how they interacted with their parents, how they interacted with adults, how they interacted with each other.
00:05:47
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We put the and bullying in there, peer pressure in there. they Maybe they just don't know how to react to people. And this most of these interviews were pre-2020.
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And we know from the few that we did after 20, that that number would be even higher because of the COVID lockdowns caused a lot of young people to their relationship skills to be even worse than they were
Historical Context of Youth Challenges
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beforehand.
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But they don't know how to react. They don't know how to connect with each other or they they struggle with this. We even had some that talked about, oh, romantic relationships. I don't know. you know And I'm like, well, you're 14. Just give it.
00:06:26
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Okay. Okay. course you have trouble with that. You don't know what you're doing. Yeah, of course. But, you know, they they identify that. The third one, The one that a little bit more than half identified as their problem was their lack of of finding their purpose and the ability to set goals to reach that purpose. So we we categorize that one as it kind of a goal setting.
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I don't know how to do what I want to do. I don't know how to reach my potential. I don't know how to find what my purpose is and do this. Maybe my purpose for a season, not necessarily my life purpose, but just for this season of my life or this year of my life.
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Or how do I set goals to do this? How do I make this my own goals? Or even how to dream. ah One of the most depressing parts of the interview was when we talked to folks that that didn't even feel like they could dream to have be better than their situation was right
Generation Youth's Programs and Certifications
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now. That they felt like their whole world was already decided for them and they had no agency, no choice in that.
00:07:29
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wow So the three biggest issues in the order, again, were self-image, relationships, and goal setting. Now, people think because we were connected at the time with the Zig Ziglar Corporation that we took those answers and stuck those into those categories because Mr. Ziglar in the 60s identified his steps to success.
00:07:53
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And the first three steps to success in order were self-image, relationships, and goals. Yeah. And what we've really, and then what i began to see is I, as I understood that these were these three major theme and issues, but that they're perennial, they're eternal, they're, these issues have been around forever.
00:08:15
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Yeah. Because why are during COVID, you know, it would locked down in COVID, my youngest two at the time was 10, um She would get up in the morning at the same time for the first few weeks until she got used to, oh, I don't have to go to school. And we would watch morning television. And there was a and on a local station, they were showing episodes of a 50s sitcom called Leave It to Beaver.
00:08:44
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Oh, yeah. okay Very familiar. And what I realized is almost all of the episodes If you don't know the premise, I'll leave it to Beaver. It's about two boys, guy named Wally and his younger brother named Beaver and them growing up.
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One's in elementary school, one's in middle, and it shows them all the way going into high school. Yeah. And what I realized is that every episode, almost every episode, the the situation that was happening was them struggling with the issue of self-image, relationships, and goals.
00:09:17
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What am I going to How am I going to get into college? How do I hang out with this person? This person is bullying me. This person is having peer pressure. I feel like I'm a failure because I can't get on the basketball team. I don't know how to ask this girl out. you know ah And I was like, these are eternal problems.
00:09:34
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yeah They just manifest themselves differently today. So those are the three big issues that we see
00:09:42
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youth struggling with as a result of what they tell us not not something that we sat down and just you know threw up some things on a board yeah yes okay so that and it makes so much sense right like because i'm in the industry when you're saying that that's what you found i'm like yes i i yeah completely can see that was the result of your research so next question is what did you do with that information what did you what have you done because of those three answers but we did two things. The very first thing we did was we were folk we we wanted to equip young people, specifically college students, with the skills and resources, the tools, the confidence, and the content that they would need to be able to be a difference maker for their generation. Maybe go out and speak to their generation or do some training or be a leader in their generation.
00:10:33
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So we created a what we called at the time the Ziegler Youth Certification, which built content around those three areas train the young people on that, and then um gave them the the some tools in which they could go out and and do this. And we had about 400, I'm not sure that was wrong, 300, a little over 300 that came through the program. Most of that program was before 2020 some bleeding into so that they would ah be difference makers. A lot of those kids now are are approaching 30 or maybe some of them are already in their thing. I think the youngest ones are now out of college because it's been quite a while since we've actively worked with them. But a lot of them are teachers. We have ah several college professors. We have some ministers, some that are working in the business world, some that are lawyers.
00:11:29
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But during their time in college or ah somewhere around
The Ignite Series Journals and Student Development
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that, they were actively involved. Most of them were actively involved in trying to impact their generation to help them, you know, doing some of those activities. We actually have one who is a, um who I think he's the White House reporter for MSNBC now. i just saw I just saw that he had gotten on with that. So they've done a lot of significant and great things. He's from Texas, incidentally. So,
00:12:00
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that was the very first thing we did. We quit. And then I had had a lot of these adults who wanted to come to program and learn the same thing. But I wouldn't let them come. I didn't want a 45-year-old sitting next to a 19-year-old and that 19-year-old be inhibited.
00:12:15
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Yeah. And that 19-year-old not give me everything that I was asking for in those three days. Yeah. Plus, I really didn't think the 45-year-old was going to understand it the The content that was crazy. the yeah that the The things, the activities we would have them, what we would teach them to do with others was, you know, it was designed for a 20 year old to do to a 14 or 15 year old.
00:12:42
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You know, that that would, that was kind of the, the way we designed it. So they might think it's silly. Oh, I'm not going to do this activity or I'm not going to that. I understand this. And so we just didn't let them, let them come.
00:12:55
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But as a result of COVID, when the world kind of slowed down for a little while, we were able to do the second thing that we were that we create to work. And that's our coaching certification, our are yeah our youth coaching certification, which we took those three. it Not only do we train people, you know what is a coach? How do you coach? What skills do you need? What mindset do you need? Those types of things. But we give them content that they can start their coaching career on.
00:13:24
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And we say, look, you don't have to worry about whether this content works. It's proven. We've got to work. You can start your career doing this. And as you grow and and develop your skills as a coach, then you can migrate to maybe your own.
00:13:38
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So we took those three issues and we added... Well, you'll appreciate this. We added mindset as the first one, because we wanted to talk to help them work with the youth about its mindset, creating them to have a growth mindset, get out of that fixed mentality, see the possibilities before we started talking to them about self-image relationships okay and goals. And so we created that as our second major product that that we have created.
00:14:08
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you know, that we teach coaches to use. And and that's, that's what we've been doing since 21. ah we We're still going to do the youth program again. We just want to rechange it a little bit of things, update it, but it's been so much concentrated on training coaches, adding coach trainers as, as we've scaled it up. and We've needed to add other people to teach potential coaches about how to how to be a part of this world.
00:14:35
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aye So that's, that's the two major things that we've done as a result of that. Okay. Well, that's so awesome. And I know I want to hear more about the journal, that the journal and and how does it work?
00:14:50
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Well, last spring, um, My wife went on a spring break school trip with my daughter and I was at the house by myself for a whole week. Nobody there.
00:15:04
Speaker
And I'd have been asked by someone. Except your dog. I saw that you have a dog. Yeah, I do have a dog. The Basset Hound. You and the dog are hanging out. Okay. Yeah. And if if you know anything about a Basset Hound, it's like being by yourself because they just sleep all the time. Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:19
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But he, uh, So i was back I was at home by myself and someone asked me, can you help my kid get started right in the school year? Is there something we can do to do this? This was a friend of mine. And so I started jotting down some notes about this here, a 30 day plan to help your student get right.
00:15:39
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And I thought, well, 30 days, you know, i can do an introduction and then a conclusion. And then I got 28 days in the middle. That's that's four weeks. Four things. Oh, I know what four things.
00:15:52
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Mindset, self-image, relationships, and goals. There we go. And so we created a 30-day journal. out Initially, it was just for freshmen. We created a 30-day journal that ah a student could use anytime during the year, not just really get started, but just to say that they are two months in and they need a reset or half the year's over with and they need us they need to start again.
00:16:17
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they could they could buy this and it guides them through five, 10 minutes a day of reading. And it starts with ah each chapter is a quote, a thought that it is dealing with that particular week's theme, whether it be self-image or relationships or whatever.
00:16:34
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And then a teaching lesson a part of it. And then a few prompts to get them thinking about the right things and talking about the right things. So we wrote the freshman one and it went really well.
00:16:45
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I went, Quicker than I thought, quicker than any other books that I'd written. it just kind of flowed out very easily. So we said, look, we got one. Let's do the senior one. That should be the next most popular one.
00:16:58
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And we did that one. And I looked at him and I and i gave him to some friends and they were like, we're are you going to do the other two? I have a junior. And i was like, well, okay. So because you'd set the format and, and, you know, we're used to it, we were in that mode. They, they were able to work out real quickly. So we were able to put the, uh, the four journals together. We call it our night series.
00:17:22
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Um, cause it's, you know, that's the, that's the, uh, the theme overall, the at night series. So there's four journals for that, uh, that, that, uh, go along with our core teachings and and supplement those. But it's something that a student can have, something that can put in their hands.
00:17:41
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then when we got it through it it, someone said, well, a parent, how can I help them? So we've made on our website some enhancements for each of the books that parents can get as well.
00:17:54
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That is like a guide that a parent can use or a lesson plan if a teacher wanted to use it as a part of their classroom over the course of the season. i'm sweet So there's some avenues to that plus we decided that we would put, since there was a quote for each day, let's, let's create some quote posters and put it in there as well so they can get those and, and put those up and use them in whatever format it have so we have some enhancement packages to go along with it.
00:18:20
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And we're learning more about how they're being used and how they're ah how effective they are. So that'll change and it'll grow and it'll evolve to meet the needs of of the audience that is using our books.
00:18:34
Speaker
Wow. That's amazing. I love hearing about that. So my next thought is being a mom, a busy mom with four teenagers, and we kind of go through life and we're kind of on almost autopilot in a way, right?
Summits and Resources for Parents and Teachers
00:18:51
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Because we have our routines. Yeah.
00:18:53
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what would get a mom i assume the mom is the primary purchaser of the journal or the ignite series like it could be a dad but usually it's like the moms that are buying these things and you are right you know your audience right know my audience very well yes and so what are the types of events or things that would take place that would get a mom to be like huh I need a resource for this, or I need to buy this for my teenager. Like what happens in order for them to have your content come in front of them?
00:19:26
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It could be a number of different things. It may not even be an event that that sparks them. It could be just them searching for something online, searching for them on Amazon. And we're trying to be most effective of making our product searchable in a way that people can find it.
00:19:43
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Yeah. We do do two events a year, which we call the Igniting the Next Generation Summits. And at those summits, we invite, there'll be 20 total presenters that will present 10 to 15 minute nuggets of content that during the summer, it's related to parents and teachers during the the winter, the messages are are geared more towards teenagers. You know anywhere i we tell folks anywhere where you anywhere from like age 12 on up into maybe college age as well so that they can and that's a free summit they can just sign up for it and get all presentations during the week and view them that would might get some excitement because it might show them open their eyes to some opportunities maybe let them see the world in a different way about how youth is because you know as well as I do parents a lot of times they just feel so alone in the journey
00:20:44
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even though they're not, and there are people who want to come alongside them, even if they are part of a group, a community, they still feel alone. And we want to expand that opportunity, they expand their world and and give them as much resources they have so they don't feel alone. They don't feel despair.
00:21:03
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when things don't go wrong. Right. I mean, when things do go wrong. I think I reversed it in my head. I knew where you, I knew where you were on that. um Yes. And I love that because um it's a great way, like whether it's, it's the journal, which they can purchase and, or the ignite series, or what was the summit called? The igniting the next generation. Yes. I like how that would is um accessible to anyone because as a teen and parent coach myself and you know, the, the coaching industry um is amazing. i
00:21:40
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can't imagine myself doing anything other than what I'm doing. I'm so incredibly passionate about it. And I wish I could coach every teenager in America. And one of the barriers often is cost. Like parents think, oh, that's expensive. Why would I pay for that? I don't know if that's worth it and what's the benefit going to be. So I love just starting out with tools like this that are so accessible to people that then they can kind of get a taste like, oh wow, that journal was awesome for my teenager and they're totally having a great year now because they did this work. And so that kind of like ah gives them, I think the parent a little bit of more optimism and a little bit more hope and a little bit more certainty that, oh, things like this can impact my child in a positive way. And I can um provide this, whether it's it's the low ticket item, the free item, or you know the higher ticket item of private
The Value of Coaching for Youth
00:22:32
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coaching. um So yeah, this is this is amazing. so
00:22:36
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What would be kind of- Before you do that, ah I do want to hit on something you just said. Yeah. That when when parents look at a coaching and they come to someone who's who's a great coach like yourself and they say, oh, that's a high ticket item.
00:22:47
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one of the things they need to put in perspective is is how many parents are paying for a private trainer or coach for sports? Yes. We paid- We pay for my daughter to a swim team, private swim team to compete year round swimming.
00:23:07
Speaker
And if you never had that experience before, it's it's it is something. And she did extremely well. She was an All-American in high school. She could have swam it in college. She just chose that the time was over.
00:23:19
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But all that money that we spent in this, Yes, it develops some good habits, some discipline, some things, but it doesn't move the needle in their life as much as investing in a coaching program could do with them because in a coaching program you're developing a skill that they can use forever you're developing a mindset that can help them in any situation you know we have my son played baseball we had a trainer and worked with him for a while in baseball yeah and we knew the odds of him using this long term in his life he's he's 23 now and you know he's not playing professional baseball
00:23:58
Speaker
But coaching, if we if we had a if it wasn't you know if we were outside and had spent this money investing in a life coach for him, he still would be using them skills.
00:24:08
Speaker
So even though it is an expense compared to what you are willing to spend, so you can see Johnny and Shoesie shoot the basketball better, hit the baseball better, run faster, cheer better, tumble better, swim better, whatever it is, this has much more life implications long term than any of that. So they I know there's those other things have tangible implications.
00:24:33
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Results that they could see immediately. Oh, is fast falls fat you know better his better. you know All this kind of stuff. These things, though, these are eternal qualities.
00:24:45
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You're investing in them in a way that you will never even know the um the impact that you can have. Right. I'm actually so delighted that you said that because that's one of the biggest, I guess, frustrations that I have in my business is I do hear um all about the private volleyball and um national championships and the equestrian. I have lots of quiet, you know, I'm in Texas, so there's lots of people in into equestrian. That's expensive. That is not cheap, let me tell you. and And yet, but then when they're like, oh, you know, how much are you? And and they're like, oh, that's that's a lot. I'm like, and? Like, right? Like, i'm I'm hoping you solve the problem that you're having, which is your teenager. And it's, you know, they come to me for a variety of of situations. But
00:25:32
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what isn't that worth like so much more to you like I should be charging three times as much if I can help. you So it's nice. I appreciate you just kind of like pulling in that contrast of other expenses. And I even once had someone talk to me about, you know, the concept of coaching and what the investment is and how much you're paying.
00:25:51
Speaker
And they're like, you know i know and not everybody you know drinks alcohol week, but they're like, well, how much do you spend on a bottle of wine each week? Or how much do you spend on um you know your Starbucks? Or how much do you spend on, um you know fill in the blank, our little luxury items that we privileged people have. in America. And it's like you in a month could pay for, or two months of whatever that habit is, could pay for something that would change your whole family's life.
00:26:17
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So yeah, just it's the idea of putting it in perspective is like, if this should be really worth that to you. And there are a lot of adults who are small business owners, entrepreneurs, maybe working in the corporate world who now are paying three, four, five times the amount of money to be coached on what they could have been coached as a 16 and 17 year old and learn those habits over ah and been installing those habits over a lifetime instead of coming back at age 50 and saying, hey, I need a coach to help me get to the next level. And in reality, they're not being taught too much different concepts than what you're teaching them as a teenager.
00:26:56
Speaker
That is such a good point. I, And we are going wrap up soon, but I'm just, I'm enjoying this conversation. I have a client who is in college and I just love getting on sessions with him because he's been working with me on and off ah for a couple of years. And so now,
00:27:16
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He's so used to what the questions are going to be like with that I'm going to ask him that he starts to answer the questions before I even ask them. And to me, that's such a sign of success because that means he's learned the skills. He's learned the mindset shift. He's learned how to adjust his thinking. And so he's now able to do it on his own. We're just still... I'm working on a few other things right now, but I love how like the primary stuff that we started with.
00:27:43
Speaker
He is so self sufficient in those areas that I am like, oh my gosh, I love I'm so proud of, you know what he's done and what he's absorbed and how he's able to really carry that into his college career and then I know it's just going to continue from there.
00:27:57
Speaker
Yeah, you know, there's a big jump in the amount of people who are seeking coaches as adults and there's life coaches, business coaches, and there's a big jump in the amount of people who are going into that industry, being life coaches, business coaches.
00:28:13
Speaker
just think if we had that emphasis on them as young people, as as those who are, you know, in high school, later high school, into college, if we got them then, then when they could be so much farther down the line, so much
Accessing Generation Youth Resources
00:28:28
Speaker
farther down. So, yeah.
00:28:30
Speaker
Yes, I love it. I love it. Okay. So, James, how can people find your website, find the journal, find the summit, all those things? But if you go to our website, which is generation-youth.com,
00:28:44
Speaker
dash, not the word dash, dash, generation-youth.com. You'll find all of our links there, all of our social links there are a link to our podcast, link to the summit as well. the The summit is updated pretty periodically. So you'll be able to, to see what the new one is going to be. I think if you click on it now, it'll take you to the summit page that has the registration for the summer one, the winter one that's coming up, the registration to be out in about middle of November, I believe is correct. Because we got to finalize some things on that.
00:29:17
Speaker
So we got those things there. They can they can find ah the books and resources there. It is very easy to find them on Amazon as well. All four books.
00:29:30
Speaker
There's a few more ah books that we have, but those are the core ones that we're trying to produce now is the Knights Journal series. So that if they go there, they can find us. They can find us Generation Youth on on social media as well. That's, that's, you know, they just type that in either Facebook or Instagram. Those are the two primary places that our organization lives yeah in the, in the social world. You have to pick and choose. You can't do them all. Those i know it's too much, but you, you know, finding where the moms are and then, you know, where the teenage, you know, finding where your audience
Conclusion and Future Impact
00:30:05
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is important. So that's, that's great. That's probably where that everybody finds you. So, yes.
00:30:10
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Awesome. Well, thank you so much. James, I so appreciate the time, the conversation, the knowledge, the content, everything that you shared. It just, it feels so, i think just it feels hopeful for me. It feels uplifting. It feels positive. It feels like we can do this, right? Because so many of us are are so worried or concerned about this, you know, all the generations that have are coming and have, you know, still to come about what this world is kind of putting in there.
00:30:39
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lap as far as pressures and and anxiety and stress and overwhelm and competition and things to deal with. And I just love how you've created your system and and done the research and figure out what works, what's successful. And so again, it's, it's amazing. I appreciate it.
00:30:54
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Thank you for your time. Thank you for being a guest on our show. And I look forward to continuing collaboration in the future. Absolutely. Sounds great.