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Mission Impossible 5, 6 & 7 with Justin Hendrick
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We back! Finally had the time to sit down with Justin once again to talk about the last few Mission Impossible movies before we see the Final Reckoning! We got lots of thoughts on these ones.
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Break Explanation
00:00:01
Speaker
um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on, something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called, what is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie Debate!
00:00:19
Speaker
What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Bad, back for Bad Movie Debate. ah We're doing Mission Impossible still. Had to take a little bit of a break. ah A tree fell on my house. Everything's fine. um And, you know, that kind of causes a lot of distractions, and you kind of...
Mission Impossible Series Overview
00:00:34
Speaker
Some stuff gets pushed to the side, so that's fine. We're not on schedule as much as we wanted, but today Justin and I are going to be talking about ah Mission Impossible 5, 6, 7 instead of ah how we were originally going to do it.
00:00:48
Speaker
um So we're going to talk about that one real quick, and then we're to see the next one, and then there'll be another episode about the final one, and we'll only talk about the final one, and I guess like the series as a whole in that one. um So ah say hello, Justin. Hey, guys. How y'all doing? What's up brothers and sisters? There you go. um So yeah, what do you think? ah well So we'll start with five. yeah Let me get my little stat, my little money stat.
Jeremy Renner's Role Debate
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So we have Mission Impossible Rogue Nation 682, 683 million
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Speaker
okay is that world why is it the most so far that is the ah no um ah ghost protocol made more ghost protocol was at ah ninety five $6.95. So that made more. and it only But it only cost... Yeah, that one made a bunch more as ah because i think Ghost Protocol cost $145 to make and made more. And then $150... It was $150 to make Rogue Nation and it made like...
00:01:53
Speaker
about 10 these are relatively kla cheap stats i mean cheap like budget costs wikipedia in in the grand scheme of things i mean i guess most of it's like paying tom cruise because yeah you don't have to do a lot of cgi work because he does his own stunts i mean they've made um
Character Analysis in Rogue Nation
00:02:12
Speaker
they've made total the entire franchise has made um just over four billion dollars That's a lot. Yeah. So, I mean, it's doing fine. It's like 500 million a year.
00:02:25
Speaker
Yeah. i wonder where this one's at. So far, I guess. So this one. ah We'll get into well it. Actually, the stat is already on there. It has updated ah since last time I looked at this page with like wasn with ah since May 23rd when it came out. Opening weekend. Yeah, basically opening weekend, two weekends and stuff. And it's on track to do just fine. i can tell you that so uh but this one also did cost uh the most uh out of everything it's uh this is three slash slash yet ah budget
00:02:57
Speaker
so has it passed out yeah It is very close to breaking even already. And we're about to contribute to that. Exactly. We're only each spending a ticket. But maybe at the end of this, when we come for the podcast tonight. Yeah, right? Yeah, maybe. We'll see.
00:03:15
Speaker
um This one probably, like I guess people found out that Jeremy Renner was another fucking Mission Impossible movie. So they're like, yo, this one can't be anything. Yeah, like, come on, man. I can't go to the SAF story again. I mean, okay.
00:03:28
Speaker
So going to Rogue Nation, he was a little better in this one because he wasn't in it as much. Yeah, exactly. He was hardly there. I mean, he gradually substituted Alec Baldwin now for Jeremy Renner's character. yeah And it's still a little bit better, he played an important role and he did and the role was better.
00:03:49
Speaker
Again, a lot of it could be because he just literally wasn't in the movie as much this time. So that's great. So big ups. I wonder if what they were trying to do with Jeremy Renner, because maybe they were getting through contract talks with Tom Cruise, is they wanted Jeremy Renner to be the new Tom Cruise, and they realized that there was no way that he probably took that rollover.
00:04:10
Speaker
There's no fucking way that would ever fly. Ever. I was like, I wouldn't stop watching. mr false We wouldn't be here right now. We wouldn't be doing this. We wouldn't be doing this. now And now that this is Tom Cruise's final one, they say the final one. It's just Tom Cruise's final one. They'll get some young hot shit. I think it'll be Tom Cruise's, Luther's, and Benji's last one. i was yeah also oh it's all It's all this like main like ah team.
00:04:35
Speaker
It's all their last ones, for sure. if they well I think in the next like five to six years, um they'll bring it back. Tom Cruise producing. yeah and like Just producing behind the scenes kind of stuff.
00:04:46
Speaker
um But then they'll get some, like I don't know, like the first name, like Jacob Elordi, some like younger guy who could do it. I guarantee they probably introduce somebody in this movie. to Maybe. Yeah, I have a buddy who went saw it like the Thursday night at work. ah he's ah He's a big ah Mission Impossible fan.
00:05:03
Speaker
And no spoilers. He was like, it's good. He did say that he liked ah these last three more than this last one. um But he also had very high expectations because he said like these last three, ah like this run of five, six and seven is nuts.
00:05:18
Speaker
And so, and I agree with that. But you came in and said, you know what? Rogue Nation's kind of mid. You said second to last. Rogue Nation's definitely the third, the best case scenario, the third worst Mission Impossible movie.
Suspense & Key Scenes in Rogue Nation
00:05:31
Speaker
Second's the worst, still the worst. Yes. I just think this one is very, it drags on for so long just to have... very good scenes like the peak scenes are very good yeah but like the underwater hey getting the mission key yeah has to hold his breath for two minutes and then all goes funky as always it's awesome reboots yeah get out and then she gets it she goes in to save him ilsa goes in to save him and stuff like that's awesome ilsa files this character is great she's a phenomenal character to be the next three movies i think she's probably the second best character yeah she she holds a lot she holds a lot of uh weight to like because he like
00:06:08
Speaker
seemingly is like falling in love with her you know like they're like kind of falling in love with each other he has some type of attachment because i think he she looks like rachel yeah she does look like uh rachel a lot um which so there's gonna be some you know or no not rachel uh julie julie julie um looks like julie a lot and so he's gonna you know he has those kind of feelings stuff but then they also like It's like someone he could actually like live his life with. They'd both do this kind of thing. Being avowed, being disavowed, like saving the world, and like doing all this stuff. like They could make that work. you know
00:06:41
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so yeah i just thought the thought the fifth one was just like... I don't know. It seemed like it was setting up for something, and then it just ended with Alec Baldwin taking over MI6.
00:06:53
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and i say or am am i a Mission Impossible Force. I mean, i don't know. i feel like... I felt like it was it was definitely more entertaining to me than Ghost Protocol.
00:07:07
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like I thought it was better than Ghost Protocol, for sure. Because it's like I really like Solomon, too. like I like the villain. Yeah, Solomon, I would say, is a great touchpoint. He's scary. Yeah, because like he gets an Ethan's head. Yeah, he really fucks with him. The cafe scene at the end, where Elsa's still playing her part with Solomon and stuff, and Benji's got the bomb and stuff.
00:07:29
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Because like the only shit the only ah you know cutting to Dead Reckoning and stuff, like ah what he says to Grace, like he he he's like, I can't promise you'll, I'll keep you safe, but I promise I'll put your life before mine and stuff. Like, you see that in Rogue Nation with that scene.
00:07:46
Speaker
he's like He's like, if you kill us right now, if you kill Benji, like, I'm the only one who could tell you, like, I deleted the file, I memorized everything. Like, let him go, or we're done. Like, this is just, we're done here, and you'll never know, and you're fucked, and everything. And like, he puts everything on the line to get Benji safe, and like, away, yeah as soon as possible and stuff.
00:08:06
Speaker
And that's fucking awesome. yeah ethan hunt is a great character yeah and that's an awesome scene in this movie but like didn't get anything like that in ghost protocol nothing is lit as that nothing is lit the suspense of it but like to be honest i think these movies like started with the third one only build on top of each other and i don't think this yeah gave us anything except for Ilse Fowles and Solomon and allmon for the next movie. where the net would kill them They build on each other um can and the next one's even better. like i don't the next one i think we all to think I think the next one, I think six is a better version of five though. And that's why I think underwashes five because six is the ultimate combination of all all these characters. They could have ended at six and I wouldn't have been happy. Yes, I also started with, I 100% agree. Yeah. I think six could have been the last one. but Dead Reckoning is good. Dead Reckoning is movie. good, But six had like. It's so perfect. It tied up so many loose ends. Ilse Fowl's was finally free at the end of it. Mm-hmm.
00:09:02
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but julie we see Julie again and she's happy and he's happy for her and she contributes a little bit to it as well and she like it does work she her and Luther have the scene like they're they're working together and stuff like she's not just like in the background like at the at the very end yeah everybody everybody pretty much survives yeah they still does Solomon die at the end of no I think they they kill him I think Ilsa kills him I thought she just choked him out don't know because I think it was just with a rope yeah I don't remember if she just full blown if like i don't know um i believe he's alive i'm blanking but i can't either they either she just ends it and benji's like oh well like i don't know i can't i genuinely cannot remember right now was like it's been that's why i can't remember why i just like i've been for a couple weeks since i watched that one yeah five or six right after we finished shooting three and four pods yeah and i just remember having so much like i was and i watched them back to back
00:09:57
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just not liking the fifth one nearly as much as like the sixth one, which we can kind of segue into the sixth one.
Fight Scenes & Character Arcs
00:10:04
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Harry Cowell was such an interesting character. I think it was such so necessary. He's so good. So necessary. And like the, the twist to where he is the bad guy towards the end of it was played so well, resonated so well. And I instantly went from oh slightly lacking that guy that even though think he's a dish bag, but thinking still liking him to be absolutely hating this dick bag because,
00:10:26
Speaker
Oh, Austin had never seen that one. She watched that one with me, and she immediately was like, so Henry Cavill's a bad guy, right? And I was like, I don't know. She hasn't seen, like, probably any of the other ones and stuff, but she was like, so he's a bad guy, right? And I was like, I mean, yeah, but, like, just watch.
00:10:41
Speaker
I would like to say, probably the one we're getting watch tonight and Six are the only ones that you have to watch of the movies to kind of understand where from. Yeah, Six has a lot of, like, because, you know, at the end, it's like...
00:10:53
Speaker
Oh, that's his wife? And it's like, yeah, that's his wife. like The third one's all about it. like and stuff so You'll miss those impactful moments why it's such a big deal. Especially with the wire. And then six, you got Angela Bassett in there too. She fucking kicks ass and a boss bitch behind the phone all the time. Alec Baldwin gets fucking offed and...
00:11:15
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a wild way. And then, um, you have, uh, I just, the only thing, the only trope, that like rewatching these, and we said at the beginning of it and I just didn't think it would continue on through all the movies is that the bad guy usually has some previous connection to either the,
00:11:35
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just a boss of mi7 or the cia or they made something that or they got like what's it called solomon was uh was he am i he was he was a former mi5 yeah but he was disavowed like ilsa was exactly so all these things are like hey most of these bad guys are people who came from mi mission impossible for yeah who come who came from within yeah and like just goes to the point like hey this should not be a fucking thing Yeah, you think they'd have better protocols at this point. yeah Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's like it's like people... The whole thing is like people going... like you know Rogue Nation, like people going rogue. They made... The British government made the syndicate. Atlee made the syndicate as... like
00:12:18
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a test run thing, pitched it to the prime minister. He was like, absolutely not. That is not cool. I don't want to do that. And then he just did it anyway. and was like, well, we can activate it whenever we want.
00:12:28
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Like he'll change his mind stuff. But then Solomon was like, well, I want to do it. So he leaves and like takes off a few people with him from other governments to make again, the rogue nation to make this indicate a real thing and everything. So yeah,
00:12:43
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But like you gotta have those kind of people with those kind of resources and those capabilities to like have a believable villain that you can actually like go against. you know So it makes sense that they're all you know former... like And it also adds to the whole spy thing. like The like like double agent, triple agent, quadruple agent. Who's side are you really on? Can't trust anybody. like ah like All that kind of shit.
00:13:08
Speaker
so but I think it makes sense. Six has the best... fight scene out of oh yeah all mission problems I will go and say that even you're not watching the next one yeah there's no app don't think and here's the thing if this final reckoning part 2 does have a great fight scene as great as the bathroom scene with Harry Calvary, Ethan Hunt and ah the Asian guy yeah John Lark the real John Lark then I'll be happy as fuck because that bathroom scene it's the best I don't know. It felt like 15 minutes, but I know it was probably only like a five minute. It's literally like maybe two or three minutes. Like, yeah. I'd say five minutes. Maybe five five minutes. Yeah. At most. There's two different sizes of it. Cause like, there's like probably like 45 seconds where Ethan gets chewed chopped. and then here, Cavill does this. Dude. Instantly rolls his sleeves up. so fun fact, fun fact. Um,
00:14:02
Speaker
He just did that. Henry Cavill just did that because he just wanted to push his sleeves up. And instead of being a normal person, it's Henry Cavill and he's a fucking badass. So he just punches and it pulls him up and they run the take and like the director and everybody was like, what the fuck was that? And he was like, oh, just my sleeves needed to come up. and they're like, cool, we're going to do it again. we We're going to take there some shots again. like We need to get some more stuff.
00:14:22
Speaker
Just do that do that every fucking time because that's so fucking sick. so And you punch so hard. You punch the air so hard. feel It sounds like a gun is being co and he's like okay yeah like he just did that because he was like yeah my sleeves were riding up and like that's not how someone would fight like he just does that and just like like and that that was in every single trailer building up for that movie i remember seeing that and everyone like because we were like we gotta go see the i think we had seen that um trailer and we were like I think that was the not knowing at the time that how amazing that entire scene was. I think we saw the trailer and we were like, that's when we were like, we should rewatch all of them and then go see that one in theaters. Like, so Henry Cavill, the bathroom scene specifically made us watch all of them to go see that one in theaters as soon as possible. And now we're doing it again. And now we're doing it again because this is the final final reckoning quote unquote. see um
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah. appreciate Appreciate you. No more yelling at your castmates. No more yelling at your castmates. But yeah that bathroom scene is just it's fucking insane. It's insane how good it is. The court the choreography of it.
00:15:33
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and just like the, uh, the editing of it, just all, all every single moment of it. But again, it's only in it. So little of the entire movie, very much but it already, it makes it better than one, two for me. It makes it better than three. wow It's better than four. It's better than five. It's the best one. I i will say this one is probably two for me.
00:15:56
Speaker
And his thing, I remember more scenes out of this movie than I can say about any other mission possible. Yeah. Um, I would say the skydiving scene was really great. Oh, it's so cool. Because Hirakawa, once again, goes out so fucking cocky, like, who's getting a little lightning, pushes what's called Ethan Hunt out the way. Yeah, he's like, oh, you're just a little punk. And he's like, hell yeah, it's not little And gets struck by lightning. And he immediately gets zapped. And he's like, no, gotta save this punk. And then they get to the ground and like, yo, what's wrong? Yeah, he's like, what?
00:16:26
Speaker
Like, what happened? he's like, shut And then he gives him his oxygen check and everything. And then, like, the last scene where they're in the mountains when they meet Julie again. And that's so beautiful. That fight scene. Yeah, that fight scene on the edge the cliff with the helicopter chase scene, too. Also, another part about this movie, too, that I remember just talking about it.
00:16:43
Speaker
It's the motorcycle scene. Yeah. That's how a motorcycle scene should be. That's how it should be. Solo and Tom Cruise just going around people on an old chopper bike. Yeah. That's what you need. Not a Japanese bike. Tom Cruise doesn't look good. No, it doesn't really work. It's like the Maverick fucking thing. It's like, give him a fucking old school bike. Yeah, exactly. Give him a Top Gun bike and stuff. That's what he needs. He hijacks a fucking helicopter and then he proceeds to, while he's running out gas and all his lights are coming up and sirens and everything tell him that he's not- That he's fucked. His helicopter's not okay. Yeah, he's fucked. Desiree has just ram his helicopter into this other one. Yeah, he's like, fuck it. Runs Both off the mountain and they both perfectly wed right in between it.
AI in Dead Reckoning
00:17:23
Speaker
And dude, my favorite part when like him and Kyle, it's not, I mean, the part where he gets hooked in when we're talking about, but when he gets like the little old, like his bracelet's face and burns his face, dude. was like, yeah, that's what you get, little bitch. Yeah, exactly. You're like so happy about it. Like, yeah, it's so good. Like fucking deserve that. He absolutely deserved that shit, dude. It was so good. Yeah. And then like just probably the most beautiful,
00:17:45
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like location for a fight scene when they're fighting on the mountain and stuff after the helicopter crash lift and then they're trying to go up and stuff yeah and they're just oh it's so fucking good and then again meanwhile you have like you have these two uh like dream teams you have ilsa and benji fighting solomon and going to find one bomb and then you have julie and luther going to find another bomb and stuff like it's cutting back and forth between all of it just like the suspense is so fucking good it's also like i will say it's like the most problematic one i have with like the old mission possible because like and i guess rogue nation him hitting that bomb at the very last minute i can see that like when it's just him but the fact that they had to detonate
00:18:27
Speaker
all three triggers and but but what what the one trigger and both bombs the exact same time. yeah And they have no type of comms with Ethan to know when he's going to press the detonation button. yeah like like Like that. like I just don't understand. I don't understand.
00:18:42
Speaker
they're like, yo, do we do on one or do we do it on two? Yeah. Because they're like five seconds late. Yeah, that is a little like suspension of disbelief on that. Like, how are they doing this exactly? Yeah, exactly. I mean, they're just putting blind faith that everybody will be ready to do it at the exact moment. At one second. At one second. Which is wild to me. But again, but then it's very, but it's also that very cheeky thing that all the Mission Impossibles do. And I love of like, is it one or two? Is it one? Do we go on one or two like that? Like, I love that.
00:19:12
Speaker
It's like a goofy addition to the suspense and stuff. It's like, you know, they're going to figure it out. But you're like, in the moment when you're watching it, you're like, you're like, it's one, it's one. Like, no, like, I would so good.
00:19:22
Speaker
very like it very much it's like the end this segment a sega of mission impossible films where they don't win at the very end i will say that's what i had said i i had like thought or i don't know if i'd said it out loud but like i thought that too yeah i would be like very happy happy and um this is where guess we're kind of getting done with the fifth one now they're going to you know the fifth one the sixth one yeah it's seventh one is that the entity um yeah somehow wins yeah or not wins or it's like kind of like an ultron because that's what i think of it yeah a very ultra it's very ultra like very ai it's giving ultra very self-aware very like hard to remove and displeased because it is the internet cyberspace oh yeah i mean well the thing the thing that blew my mind because i just watched this one ah like a few days ago ah for the first time because i miss it in theaters and then i was like you know what i'm just gonna wait
00:20:14
Speaker
I was like, I'm just going to wait. never watched this one. It was the first time. I've only seen it the one in time, the one, the one, the one time. Um, and I waited, i waited until we were going to go see this one or when this one was going to come out because I didn't want to have to be like, like, cause I knew it was a part one. So I was like, I didn't want to like sit, like be like, Oh God, I got to wait like a few years for it to come out and stuff. And, um,
00:20:39
Speaker
I'm glad I did, but it's still pretty... It's the one i obviously know the least about, because I've only seen it once. But with the AI thing, it knows everything. It knows every single outcome and stuff.
00:20:50
Speaker
And... It's the scene where um he kills, ah Gabriel kills Derlinger or whatever his name is, the CIA top guy. um He kills him and then he turns to Paris and is like, also you're going to betray me because Ethan spared you so now I have to kill you so that doesn't happen and stuff.
00:21:12
Speaker
Like, he, she probably wouldn't have if he hadn't done that. You know, it was like, it's like, so that's why it's like, The point I'm trying to make is it feels like it's a self-fulfilling prophecy from the AI.
Speculations on Dead Reckoning Part 2
00:21:29
Speaker
So I think they will win because it's like gaybe Gabriel's human yeah like decisions is going to fuck it up because he's like...
00:21:38
Speaker
Because, first of all, he did not kill her. He stabbed her in the stomach, which is a slow death, and she's a fucking badass the entire movie. Of course, she was going to be able to survive long enough to help save them and then actually betray. Yeah, because he's tried like he tried to. And when he said that the very end, he goes, when he turns on her, he says, you are going to betray me. Yeah. And you're going to tell Ethan Hunt you did it because he saved you. Yeah.
00:21:59
Speaker
And it's more so it's because you portrayed her. Yes, exactly. It's more so she's like, okay, well, if you're so goddamn positive this is going to happen, you're going to try to kill me right now.
00:22:10
Speaker
Then I'm going to do it. So it's like it's like the entity isn't 100% perfect. No. You know what I mean? It's 99.9. You can't tell human error. Yeah, Gabriel's human error, I think, is what's going to fuck him up in this next one. So I think they're going to win, but it would be crazy if it just did an Ultron thing where it's just around and it's dormant.
00:22:29
Speaker
And it's just, but like, it's under control. You know what Like they don't destroy it. It's not like the, like with the bombs, like with the like plutonium and stuff and like the bombs, they don't cut the bomb off. They don't store the plutonium. They don't take the rabbit's foot, whatever the fuck that is. we No one will ever know is destroyed or like anything. It'll still be around, but they just can keep it at bay yeah kind of a thing. yeah.
00:22:53
Speaker
Which could be the launch of, you know, in five years when they bring in the young hotshot in. Like, somebody woke it up kind of a thing. I don't know. i would like Either the entity wins, but like I don't think it's like ah and a true movie-wise win. Yeah. I think it's more of like a hey a long-term thing. It's like, hey, they cancel out all governments go dark or all big entities get exposed to their...
00:23:18
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bad doings whatever. Yeah, it's not a true, like, black and white, like, we have won. It's like a, we're okay. Hey, the- For now. Yeah, but but the world's crippled because of yeah what I did. But we have to rebuild, we have to rethink how everything works. And then the entity's stuck. And then- and then hey, the reborn of MI6 because, hey, we need this impossible force because i agree with this third world party reigned up and took power out. All these huge powers lost control. yeah i would i would agree I would agree with that.
00:23:46
Speaker
That's what I would think this movie is going to be. my power if far i The only thing I know about this movie is what the trailers are shown is that know that we have... and i had a friend at work who went to go see this and he was he was asking about, hey, have we recorded this pod yet for new one? and I don't know.
00:24:01
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goes...
Recurring Themes & Stunts
00:24:02
Speaker
you don't have a lot of talk about about the action scenes, which I mean, okay which, which I mean, they've been pushing that plane scene. And like, I'm super excited to see it like on the big screen, obviously. I want to see what is different because I just, the one thing I do like about the Mission Impossible series is it's very fresh. And when I mean fresh, I mean, they really don't redo the same scenes twice. They do them in different versions. Yeah. Like the Dubai scene where he's climbing up the tower is kind of like the cliff scene in Mission Impossible 7 Dead Reckoning Part 1. Yeah. Climbing up that cliff.
00:24:32
Speaker
but True. Different stakes, different stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But still like a huge crime. Most of the stuff has either to with him diving into something or him climbing up something. so Yeah, or holding on to something. Yes, exactly. Or holding on to something for dear life. Yes. But again, like Tom Cruise, again...
00:24:48
Speaker
Scientology notwithstanding, I respect the fuck out of you for these snuts. They're crazy. I would say that. And appreciate you for doing them because they're very fun to see in movie theaters. That's what think. Okay, so first one has him going down the elevator, trying to get the metro-sensipatic thing to get the file off of the thing. Yeah, it's the classic on-the-line kind of thing. The true Mission Impossible scene. Yeah, the thing that made Mission Impossible... When catches the sweat. Yeah, he catches the sweat. Yeah, that.
00:25:12
Speaker
The second one, I don't think there's a true climbing up or climbing only climbing up is the goddamn opening shot of Ethan Hunt when he's fucking free soloing in the clip. And it's just like, wow, this is going on for a long time. It's like this is a long opening scene of him just fucking climbing up. He's not holding the glasses and he throws them and they explode. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. It's so bad. The third one, he's falling down the tower where he kind of climbs over from one side to the other side. Yeah. Yeah. The, like, forget what they call it. The pendulum. The pendulum. The pendulum. The fulcrum. The fulcrum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fourth one is the Dubai. Fourth one's Dubai climbing up the tallest building in the world.
00:25:50
Speaker
ah The fifth one is diving into the water thing. Yes. And stuff and then swimming around. six months skydiving. Six months full-blown actual real-life skydiving. And a cliff. And then a cliff.
00:26:01
Speaker
And then ah the newest one, Dead Reckoning. Does he do it? And Dead Reckoning, yeah. We just watched this one. I know. I don't think so.
00:26:12
Speaker
I don't think he does any crazy jumps up or down. Oh, no. He's holding on to the girl for dear life. That's what said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're climbing up the train. climbing up the train. Duh, of course. Climbing the train at the end. Yeah. So, yeah. So, we'll see what happens in this one. And he's going to be up or down or both. That's why Six is so good. He does both.
00:26:34
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does both He does both in that one. He goes e goess up and down in that one. That's why six is the best one. We have solved it. we saw Oh, that does ah does lead to ah how many times do they say Mission and Impossible? Okay, so... In five, six, and seven. This is the crazy one. You said before we started recording, you were like, you're going to be mad about this. Five, because five, you like, you're a rogue nation. It's your favorites. To me, was just not even talking.
00:27:00
Speaker
As of right now, it's ah it's a it's ah at least two. They say... Let's go to mission first. They say mission 63 times in Rogue Nation. Sick. 63 times.
00:27:16
Speaker
Sick. And then they say impossible 29 times. Okay, so quite a lot. So, false seconds. It's only the number two. Okay. um The fifth one, i mean, sixth one, they say mission...
00:27:29
Speaker
12 times and they only say impossible seven times okay um so a lot less seven they say mission 43 times and they say impossible eight times okay but no that lines up with what i say because i said the more they say it the worst the worst no the worst the movie because the second one says the most no the second they said the least Oh, did they? They said it the least. It was the opposite. opposite in mission In the first one, they say it a bunch. They say Mission and Impossible quite a bit.
Character Continuity & Relationships
00:28:01
Speaker
And then the second one is the least they ever say it.
00:28:04
Speaker
And that's the worst one. So that tracks so for me. But I do remember in, I think it's five when they're first meeting. Is it when they're meeting Ilsa? Yes, 5 is the first one see. She's 5, 6, and 7.
00:28:17
Speaker
Oh, no. i can't I'm trying to think of this scene where they're talking about the... The bone doctor comes in and they're trying to get information that's after Ethan gets captured. No, no, no. I know that, but I'm trying to remember because she is MI6, so she she knows of the IMF. Yes.
00:28:33
Speaker
But there's one of them where they're meeting somebody kind of new, but it's I don't think it's... It might be... i mean, i it might be Grace. Grace. Actually, I think it is Grace, where she's like, IMF, like, we're the IMF, and she's like, what is that?
00:28:47
Speaker
And they're like, the impossible mission force. That's seven, but that happened So it is. It's seven, but it happens the very... It's like one of very few c first scenes, and it's... Grace isn't in it and Elsa's not in it. It's when all the government people in Kitridge and the guy who... Oh, that's what it is. Okay, it's the first meeting before he throws the gas. Yeah, and he's like, what the fuck is that? And they're like, it's the impossible mission. And he's like... Are you kidding? Yeah, he's like, are you joking? I was dying.
00:29:16
Speaker
I was like, that's so fucking funny. I'm like, I was like, that's so fucking funny. And they say something like, well, um they can't infiltrate anybody. They can do things that anybody can't do. And it's like, so we send these boogeymen to go do things that we ordinary humans can't do. And he goes, yes. And go, fuck. Yeah, exactly. And he's like, oh, Mr. Kitrich? And he gives him the mask. He throws the shit up.
00:29:40
Speaker
So the 7 is good. 7 is good. The 7 I saw in theaters. It was one of the first movies I saw because COVID had... was one of very first big blockbuster movies that came out after COVID came out. So I saw it in theaters, but that's the only time watched it.
00:29:54
Speaker
And I really didn't remember anything. But the only thing that stuck out to me was... Ethan's with the guy who he's wearing a mask. So he's covering up the guy who stands in the back. Look like a cook. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I'm like, guys, how do y'all not know this guy's just not like, this is the only person here. Who's like a butler in the back. can yeah Yeah. It is kind of weird. Like he's literally just sitting there, but like he has the clearances and stuff.
00:30:14
Speaker
And like, they noticed they had like, they don't like physically address him coming in, but they like, look at him. Yeah. And they're like, Hey, call for your team. And he has got the mask right before he sets the ball. Yeah. Kate Ridge, which, um, um,
00:30:26
Speaker
Cool that Kittridge is around. Like, cool Kittridge. Like, popping back up. Because that my buddy at work said... Kittridge from the first one? Yeah, Kittridge is the guy in the first one. From the setup scene where the water comes out and everything? Yeah, I think... ah No, that's not Kittridge in that. But Kittridge is in... He's the guy who, like, told that guy to go do that. Like, he's above that guy.
00:30:49
Speaker
Like, he's not... Like, he's the director... The CIA director... Or not director... at No, because... ah Derlinger is the director of the CIA in Dead Reckoning, right? Kirage is involved. He's ah ah high up, and but he's in the first one.
00:31:03
Speaker
um He's in the first one for sure. And so like when he showed up, I was like, oh, hell yeah. And a coworker of mine um who saw it like opening night, um he said there's a lot of cool... like like a lot of cool like callbacks and like like people like i would think relevant stuff to old ones that's like kind of cool that's one thing i will say probably about this one it's probably the budget's little higher too it's like i think they probably like a lot of like callbacks old characters the people who are still alive unfortunately german renner probably being this one yeah yeah he's still alive they just like they even killed him he never died so um it makes sense probably see um
00:31:42
Speaker
what's it called uh what's the guy's name um he's in the matrix um lord's fish room yes he'll probably be god he's so good i hope we see julian dude she's like one of my favorite have to see julian literally have to see julian because the entity has to know that hey they were they were husband and wife because if solomon knows that then definitely and if solomon knew that and fucking um uh yeah so then um Henry Cavill could know that. Yes.
00:32:08
Speaker
Of course the entity knows that. Yes, exactly. So it has to be at least not public knowledge, but like at least deep black market knowledge. It's known. it's It's written down somewhere online. There's somewhere it's online where it could get to. Yes, that way you can find where she is and get her on some type of assignment. Yeah. Exploring the ice and the water contamination out there. Yeah, doing some kind of good good cause shit that gets her out there.
00:32:31
Speaker
it makes ethan choose again between grace and ilsa okay so that's the one thing also yeah ilsa dying can we talk about that because he was like one of them's gonna die and i was like don't get me wrong i'm loving grace the character hayley atwell's amazing but like ilsa i know her we we love her stand her that's the one thing i would never understand about like ethan on this one and about the sixth one i guess no it's the seventh one is that well he has to make a decision like it's no choice grace and all of seven until the very fucking end like it's choosing herself every single time like even is saving her ass the car scene the yeah the plane scene like the when she's taking what's called everything every scene even she's actively going out of her way to not be involved.
00:33:20
Speaker
And run, dude. Running the fuck away. When Ilsa is a down, bad girl, as soon as Ilsa saw that Ethan was coming to get her through the little Morse code kind of flash-like thing, dude, I was like, and she instantly went to, hey, protect mode. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. in the uh in the desert yeah when they yeah when they first meet and shit and like he's like it's me it's me she's a mate like uh when she's like pretending to be dead and stuff she's like oh sick pop pop up pop pop pop pop pop and then the they're like yeah we're gonna frame your death so the bounty's done gonna tell her everybody and he's like she's like i believe you but then she comes and sticks her neck out and comes and picks him up in fucking venice when all the shit goes down yes
00:33:57
Speaker
you know And then they have that cute little moment on the scene where they're sitting there. He told her, we tell her you stay dead. She can't. She can't because she cares. No, but they have that cute scene where they're they're just sitting there like looking over Venice like before shit goes down again, as it always does in these movies. And she's like, it's my first time in Venice.
00:34:14
Speaker
And he's like, you know what me too and they like hug and and like they go to a little party they go to a little party scene on a little boat and then they have a little party like come on
Ethan Hunt's Motivations
00:34:22
Speaker
and she's like holding his hand she's like like like they definitely have feelings for each other i know and it's just like everybody's like oh but like god save grace it is frustrating it is frustrating he got a weakness he got a little fucking bitches they're little fiending bitches for two and seven dude they be cooking it man dude they do they got that man whip He was head over heels for Thandie Newton in 2 immediately like, oh, you a thief? It's invisible. Let me save you. Oh, yeah. He's very much- Baby girl.
00:34:51
Speaker
He is very much a Batman looking for his cat woman. He's like, I like a girl who's a little bit gray morally. Like, I need her to be like mostly doing good stuff, but if she steals some shit every once in a while and i have to like catch her, That's hot. It's a kink, dude. It's a fucking kink for him, dude. I would never let anything happen to you. And then Gabriel was like, yo, he he'll say that to you. yeah but It's not going to work.
00:35:16
Speaker
Also, I hope in 8, they do flesh into why Gabriel killed Ethan's first love. I need some more backstory because this is definitely the first time we've ever heard yes of that he was doing some flight before in mya yeah he doing some not cool shit. like it's like when a Like, a really good hacker, like, breaks into the FBI or CIA, like, it like in real life.
00:35:38
Speaker
And they're like like, hey, we caught you. You can go to prison, or you can get a job, and you can do that for us, if we're good. Like, it's like, that's a real thing. And, like, so, what was he doing? What fucking shit was he doing? i mean i need more of that. I need to know why.
00:35:55
Speaker
And where has he been the past 20 fucking years? Yeah, I need to know what his skills are that he was developing to do what that like got him caught because his like his like true love at that moment probably a thief. Oh my god, that's what is. Holy shit. We're breaking the code. We're seeing the matrix right now. Do we not need to go watch this movie? We don't even need to watch this movie. All right, so we're going to talk about Final Reckoning right now because know this movie.
00:36:21
Speaker
At this point, dude, the Entity is going be a gray ending where it's not black and white good. like They don't just save the world. They saved the world for now. like um But yeah, I need to see more of it.
00:36:32
Speaker
I need to see more of it ah because i'm I'm so curious. like Because Ethan Hunt, using his skills for his own selfish gain, i can't imagine trying to stop him. The only thing that could stop him is love. You wouldn't be able to stop him. Besides, I mean... that size besides like yeah i mean I may got a nut every once in a while, but like, well yeah do you got other other than that, like, yeah I don't think there's nothing Ethan can't do. I mean, would say the one area that he lacks in probably the more other characters we've seen in Mission Impossible movies is his hand-to-hand combat.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yeah. like he's very better He's very good at espionage. Oh, yeah. He's very good the espionage and doing the like secret, covert, like you never knew I was here. And a really good driver. And a really good, po I guess, i and good machine tech. And boy, can that boy run. am myfuer Can that motherfucker do run. Run!
00:37:22
Speaker
This dead reckoning running scene. Insane. The entity when he finally kind of like, and I guess that's why he had Benji unlock the code in 7, that he could get his voice to transition. yeah, wanted to be like, and so it could be like your friends. Like you wanted to know that. Exactly. like, aw. and get his code but when they realize that he's on rabbit hole the wrong way and grace and ilsa faus are fighting gabriel at that point he finds that out he's once again i guess he just has like a photographic memory of every fucking city that's in the world probably never been to venice but guess what
00:37:57
Speaker
Well, he was relying on Benji looking at a map being like, he's like, I see her, like, which way did she turn and stuff, like, left, right, left, right. Yeah, but then the voice takes over, the entity takes over, and it's like, right, no, wait, left, no, wait, nope, nope, nope, Another thing, and I guess it's...
Tech & AI Challenges in the Series
00:38:15
Speaker
It's that running scene. He's running.
00:38:16
Speaker
Too deep into, like, an action movie film. That's just, like, purely on, like, hey, you need to watch this not think too much, but... No, dude, we literally have recorded probably, like, four hours of content already on this, this being the fourth, and then we're going to another hour later, so please. But why in the world... If they know this guy...
00:38:35
Speaker
thrives in technology and hacking why would they trust comms that someone can hack I don't know it it is it is tech like think like when I find out hey there's some cybersecurity shit out there that I cannot use. Yeah. I'll be like the little most low tech operations I possibly can. So it is it is weird. so they do they do eventually figure out once the Benji thing happens and they go to... ah The little kind of frequency. Yeah, freak Luthers. Yeah, it's like, okay, this is radio frequencies, the analog.
00:39:09
Speaker
And then Luthers like... Good luck. I got to go. got to go completely off the grid and focus so I can do what I can to try to like stop it from this angle. Yes. And so they do figure it out and like do finally do that. But it does seem, in my opinion, it seems to take them a little too long. Yeah, to really realize that, hey, these things should be had high duds.
00:39:33
Speaker
um i'm kind of surprised that ah so they get so luther's gone so then binge for the train Ethan's riding the motorcycle. he does also his car fucking car he told his car yes he He gets in the self-driving car and I was like, it's gonna, I was like, Benji's about to die. okay so I was like, Benji is about to fucking die. And Justin has been lying to me for years, not telling me, like you've been kept the most important secret ever from I mean, Benji dies because it's gonna ro like it's going to take over the It's going over to the mountainside. Yeah, and that's a real-life thing that people are worried about and people can do and have done with self-driving cars in our world today, where you can hack into them and make them...
00:40:15
Speaker
go wherever you want and and i was like there's I was like there's no fucking way you can't do that well because like how to how i i can't that I seen the movie and I instantly thought that was what happened I thought that Benji had died in that scene and that's how this it ends with Ethan Ethan only it's like getting parachuted away because I know he gets away Ethan and Grace and Luther off the grid and that's it like everybody else is dead I know this is like Only on one parachute person. But Ethan could have made that work.
00:40:48
Speaker
He could have, but he there was no reason to because he knew at that point that Grace was going to... Kitridge was fine and she was going to be like, i accept the mission. yeah And Kitridge was going to be like... Okay.
00:41:00
Speaker
Because the way that he, ah the way that she do did such a good job job ah duping him being ah the white widow. Yes. You know, like, so I think it made sense because Ethan had to go.
00:41:11
Speaker
He absolutely had to leave. So I think it makes sense. He had the key. Yeah, he had the key and he had to go. They had to get the key off the train. Exactly. And so I think, I think I'm okay with that part. I'm not okay with, and I have major questions of like, how the fuck did the entity not get Benji's car?
00:41:28
Speaker
and drive him off the road because it's literally him sitting there and like for a moment, especially, especially because he gets in there, he puts it on like self drive and he sits on the other seat and then he looks over at it and then he puts a seatbelt on. And I'm like, if there's never, there's never been more clear foreshadowing in, in a movie i've that I've ever seen. You know what i mean? Like I was like, there's no fucking way. And like, and he's using a computer and stuff. And like, obviously the entity, like,
00:41:54
Speaker
doesn't immediately know as soon as like certain people like log in and shit. You know what i mean? like It's not like... all knowing of like, oh, this person's online now I have to like, like do it. It's like, I mean, you can give it a little bit of leeway of that because like it took, they were halfway through the mission with the party before it took over Benji's voice yeah and like was able to like locate and like, it's going through the entire world of like technology to like do, but like, you know, it's focused. It knows that they're going to try to get on the train. So why wouldn't it be looking for stuff it can get, don't know. That's why, that's why. Suspension of disbelief.
00:42:27
Speaker
The movie's good. I enjoyed it it's It's way better than two. nothing one me madest do But that did really blow my mind. I was like, how is this car? How is there not like two minutes of Benji having to take control of the car and being like, oh, shit, no, I need to stay in the car and I have to do this like this and I have to like struggle to do this because Benji was just chilling.
Ranking the Films & Conclusion
00:42:46
Speaker
yeah chilling the whole time i was like i need a little like and it would totally make sense for like how suspenseful these movies are in that moment again going back to six like with like they're doing the bombs and he's fighting uh henry cavill and stuff and they have perfectly time the like the sequencing and stuff um of him like going in there the car starts to deviate and then he's like nope and he like he's like fuck that turns it off and it's like okay have control the car again kind of a thing i don't know
00:43:13
Speaker
don't know. I would say, and if I'm going to rank all the movies over again. From now we watch the first seven again. Right. Because even, i I'll be able to rank the next one. At this point, we should wrap this one up yeah since we're going to the movies soon. so I think it's three.
00:43:30
Speaker
I think it's
00:43:35
Speaker
six. One.
00:43:41
Speaker
four
00:43:45
Speaker
Seven, five, and two. Seven, five, two. Wow, seven that low. I think four and seven. I think Ghost Protocol and Daredevil Reckoning Part One are very similar.
00:43:58
Speaker
I think seven... i think... Actually, put seven, four. I put four. Okay. oh I think five. I just didn't enjoy it that much. I think it had great scenes. I think it had some of the most...
00:44:09
Speaker
I think they put a lot of their budget into a very few scenes, but I just didn't think it flowed well. Sure. Also, I think Jeremy Renner fucking ruined that movie. I like Baldwin character i just wasn't in love with.
00:44:23
Speaker
Hmm. And like you don't really get true Alec Baldwin appreciation to the sixth one. Yeah, that's um that's when he really peaks. Because, I mean, you have the fifth one to fall back on. but Yeah, true.
00:44:34
Speaker
I just think the fifth one is a beta clone test run for the sixth one. i mean, that's fair. Yeah, okay. I mean, I get that. I would say for me it's six...
00:44:49
Speaker
Then I would probably put... Honestly, right now, it may be because it's the newest one, but I would put 7 at number 2 for me. Just because I did really enjoy it. It was a long fucking Yeah, answer as I was just about to that. was like, 7 felt... You felt how long it was. I felt how long it was, and it wasn't even a complete story, but it was a lot of fun the entire time. started at like 8.30 last night, and I finished at 11.30. I watched it Wednesday night,
00:45:17
Speaker
and ah I had... ah I didn't watch it till late. It was like 11 o'clock and it was almost 1 a.m. when i finally got done with it. and i was But I was like...
00:45:29
Speaker
I wasn't upset about it, you know, even though it wasn't a full story. I don't know. I don't know. I i really enjoyed it, um and I'm excited to see the continuing story here in a little bit. um So... i think it was a lot more enjoyable knowing that it was a one of the two.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe. yeah Maybe that's part of it, too. Because, I mean, like, my one of my favorite sci-fi movies is Dune Part 1 and 2, the entire four hours, you know? Yes. Like, so maybe I'll feel like, be like, my favorite one is 7 and 8, like, the the the Reckoning. Like...
00:45:56
Speaker
So maybe that's, I'm hoping that'll be the case, depending on how this one goes. So six, seven, then I would say probably, honestly, for me, I would probably say two,
00:46:11
Speaker
Because one is a... I love... Because it's the 90s, and it's De Palma as the director, the old school like espionage like aesthetic of the movie, and the way the movie like is edited, like the cinematography and stuff... like I just really jive with that. And I'm like, this feels like an 80s, 70s. You switched up one and three. Because I think last time... Yeah, I'm switching i'm switching a little bit. Then three. Okay. Because three is like it's just classic mid-aughts action in the best way.
00:46:46
Speaker
The cinematography, the fucking like the ah color grading of like those like super fucking like fuzzy scenes and stuff is so classic. Otts action thriller.
00:46:58
Speaker
Philip Seymour Hoffman, RIP. Absolutely horrifying. Don't even know what the thing does. And I'm still so scared of him and his plan. yeah having right It's so good. And then we get Julie in there.
00:47:09
Speaker
Absolutely incredible. ah Then I would say five. Then I would say four, and then I would say two. yeah Two is at the bottom, obviously. Two i mean he was obviously at the bottom.
00:47:21
Speaker
Ghost Protocol was fun, but I was like, there's better. It's also the boss scene. You really don't get much. Yeah, him running away from the sandstorm. Yes, the sandstorm and that scene. That's probably the best running scene, you know so that obviously is great.
00:47:35
Speaker
And then... um the whole and everything in the Dubai scene with like climbing the wall and then like the, uh, the mask not working, just having to go in and blind stuff. Like all that feels good. And it was like really fun mission accomplished. And then she kicks that bitch out the window and stuff. And like the whole fight, it looks like, that's very like human element of it. Like, ah of like, she's like, what the fuck was I supposed to do? She was trying to throw me out the window.
00:47:59
Speaker
and they're like, you have a personal, like you have a personal thing against her. And she's like, I do, but like, come on, dude. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, no. Shit.
00:48:11
Speaker
I'm a compromise. Abort. Abort. Abort. All right. You've been disavowed. You've been disavowed. All right. Well, this episode's got to end because we've got to go watch a movie in eight minutes. We've got to watch this movie and this motherfucker's been disavowed. Exactly. All right. Cut. Cut. Cut.