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Mission Impossible 1 and 2 with Justin Hendrick
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The Final Reckoning comes out in less than a month, so Juston and I thought we'd sit down and talk about all the Mission Impossible movies in preparation! First up 1 and 2! 1 is great, but 2 is honestly terrible. Listen now!
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Introduction to Bad Movie Debate Series
00:00:01
Speaker
um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on, something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called, what is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie Debate!
Tom Cruise's Future in Mission Impossible Series
00:00:19
Speaker
What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Baffer, Bad Movie Debate, here to do a series, I guess. It's going to be a new series that we're going to do to ah build up for the final, quote-unquote, Mission Impossible movie that's coming in coming out with Tom Cruise, at least. I don't know. Maybe they'll they'll probably do more.
00:00:36
Speaker
I don't know. I think they'll probably do some more. I think they'll definitely do more, but it may be Tom
Introducing Justin Hendrick & Light-hearted Banter
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Cruise's last one. He's getting pretty old, and these stunts are getting crazy. ah So we're to start with one and two. we will just watched one and two, and I have Justin Hendrick with me. Say what up. What's up, squad? He specifically said, I'm going to go grab my sunglasses and put them
Debating Mission Impossible 1 vs 2
00:00:53
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on. I just felt with the lights and the new cameras, it just feels like, oh let me just shine.
00:00:57
Speaker
Well... and i think be i think i'm this movie channeling my oh my god my inner ethan hunt wearing sunglasses just makes you feel like a badass at all times dude right yeah because he's such a badass he's just ah he didn't do it in the first movie at all i know that's it's good like in all the rest of the movies i'm pretty sure like it's a lot I mean, sure, but what makes me upset is we're just talking about 1 and 2 right now, is you're doing it because he does it a lot in 2, and 2 is the worst fucking Mission Impossible movie that's ever been made.
Box Office Comparison & Sequel Production Challenges
00:01:27
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I think it it's not in close, either. I would say there's parts and every single film that I really like. and here's i like I'll talk about it. like we We kind of talked about a little bit earlier.
00:01:38
Speaker
The first hour the movie is pretty good. i mean Besides the fact that that these two people who never really met each other, one's a secret agent, one is a thief. Yeah, an international like cat burglar thief. Just eating out and fall in love in a bathtub. That is such a sexually heated scene.
00:01:54
Speaker
Okay, well we we'll save our... It's a lot easier to dog on the second one. Let's talk about the first, the good one or the first. But first... i want to I wanted to look up halfway through. Once the second one started getting bad, I was like, I need to see how this one did in the box office compared to the first one.
00:02:09
Speaker
ah so Mission Impossible 1 worldwide ah made million dollars in change. That's pretty fucking That's a lot of money in really It's pretty good um the second one made five hundred and forty six million and change It made so
Appreciation for Espionage in Mission Impossible
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Speaker
much. It was 100 million more and it's so bad. It's just because of the acclaim of the first one. It's the acclaim of the first one. And there was a long, what, four year gap? yeah I guess that's how long sequels took. so I guess we're so spoiled right now with sequels because they usually only take like two years. Yeah, it's like two, maybe three years. ah which i mean sometimes Well, sometimes we're we're not we're spoiled because we get them quickly, but sometimes they just suck if they push them out too fast. This one still sucked. Yeah, they fucked it up, dude. They fucked it up, dude. So bad. But we'll get to it. But the first one the first one, I think, was like, besides, even The Matrix, because The Matrix is 2000, think
00:03:10
Speaker
yeah Mission Impossible was, like to me, one of the earliest action films that I truly, truly liked. yeah The only thing that watched or re-watched it now and seeing like what's different now and now action movies, especially movies like Tom Cruise and a Mission Impossible films even now, yeah is that there wasn't lot of fighting in the first one at all. No, it's it's purely more like espionage and spies and stuff, which is why the firstt which is part of the reason why I think the first one's so good yeah is because it's like...
Homage to 60s TV & Team Dynamics
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Speaker
I mean, again, were we're only comparing one and two right now, but like two is nonstop fighting and guns and stuff, and we'll get to the motorcycles eventually. Yeah, the motorcycles too. Oh my god, it makes me so mad. Street motorcycles on day. It's so stupid. It's so stupid.
00:03:57
Speaker
But yeah, that one's more like... espionage And he's like, you know, like, ah like James Bonding it a little bit, you know, like he's like trying to like, like with the Bible and stuff. And then like he opens the Bible and he's like, oh shit, it's from that the Drake Hotel and everything like that. And like, that's all awesome. i think It's like captivating. I think it's like a true psych action film where you're trying to like, you're more following the plot and action just happens to be in a for the background it. It's more like, hey, they keep you, hey, this person's a bad person, which to be honest, like even watching it like the first time, I believe, I did not believe like...
Rewatchability & Practical Effects Discussion
00:04:35
Speaker
The guy from M.I.F. was bad. Jim? Yeah. Chrysler? Kittler? Kitridge? Kitridge? Something like that, yeah. Yes. um He says the same no-muts. So much we can't remember. With the first one, and even this time when I'm watching him as well, is i saw like the the five characters who have probably had like only four or five scenes together before like um the whole all the killings happened the first one. Yeah.
00:04:59
Speaker
I like them so much. No, they're great. They're awesome. They're a really nice community. They're all really close team and stuff. Jim and his wife, which we talked about. Crazy. He's old and she's not. That's weird, but they both suck. guess that's why they're together. Their whole team is like yeah their whole team is like Super chummy, but they do a good job. You know, they're all there to do the mission and do it well and stuff. And then they all just get fucking iced, which I remember the first time I saw that I was like, oh shit. Cause I don't think I saw the first mission impossible until like,
00:05:36
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the like to like Ghost Protocol was coming out. And then I was like, well, I should watch all of these. yeah And within the first 20 minutes, 30 minutes, when all the people get iced and then they're like, we think you're the mole, Ethan Hunt. I was like, oh, I get why people are obsessed with these movies. I was so on board. It just keeps you entertained. That's what the first one does really well. It's very well-paced. Yes, the pacing. And the fact of...
00:06:01
Speaker
Hey, this is where I go. The only cripe I would have when I was watching the first one... When do they get the second like the second part of the... the Of the knock list? Yeah, of the knock list. When do they get the second part? Yes.
00:06:13
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So, the the the whole thing is... Because did you have it when he when a movie first started? it is... well it is
Tom Cruise as Actor & Producer Dynamics
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So the whole thing... It's a mole operation.
00:06:25
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So it's all fake. And they say... oh you have... Like, he has knock list. But it's just the code name. and he needs the other to patch him And then you the other side. So you can match up, like, code name.
00:06:37
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what Like, War Eagle is actually Justin Hendrick or whatever. You know? um So I guess they did actually have that. Like, I guess... It it just start is started that way. Okay. i' i'm like I think, like, the guy who gets...
00:06:51
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iced and then it ends up being it was the french dude who iced him i think he does actually have that but they're like oh it's fine because they're in because there's a second team there they're like there's no way we'll lose it but then they do lose it because there was that they were looking for a mole and they didn't find the mole they found the wrong they found ethan instead of jim so i guess they actually had it and then that's why they have to go into the uh cia headquarters and uh like take the action the second half so they can talk to max and blah blah blah yeah um at least i think that makes sense i don't know we just watched both of these back to back we only got done like 20 minutes ago that was a long four hours ago and to be honest they're probably like i think and that's what i will say about these two movies is i think these are the least rewatchable um of the rest of them to me yeah because i can say i've seen these probably this probably the third or fourth time i've seen my probably i've seen the third time i've seen uh probably the fourth time i've seen the first one only the third time i've seen the second one think as said second time seen the second one and then uh i think four times i think i've the part of the second one a lot yeah like bits pieces and turn off yeah yeah for obvious reasons or like it was just on tv because i remember like i remember watching these growing up like because i used to watch them when like i'm like
00:08:04
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it's like tbs or some shit like yeah i think that's probably where i first saw the first one it would play likes like it was looking for it would be like two o'clock on a on a saturday or sunday and i'm just having inside and watching them yeah i didn't have anything to do so you're like fuck yeah i'm gonna watch mission impossible yeah that makes sense because uh yeah the second one i watched it the first time and was like i'm never watching that again and then you me and nick were like well the new fallout was coming out and we were like we should re-watch all of them And then I was like, I'm never watching that again.
Film's Legacy & Character Analysis
00:08:28
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Here we are. I hope to God I don't ever have to watch it again after tonight. It's so fucking bad.
00:08:36
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um But let's let's talk pros of the first one. um Espionage and like the like, like there's like thrilling action. So for me, it was like it felt like so it's based off of.
00:08:50
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it's basically a reboot of like a 60s tv show yeah it's a reboot of a that same name and the title like uh done done done is was the theme uh that's why it's in all the movies because it was the the original theme for the show and it was a very similar thing where it was like you know it was the 60s so it was like super bombastic and like kind of crazy uh like the plots and then like that's i think i'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's where all the mask stuff comes from. Okay, it's from the T-shirt. Yeah, and they have, because the mask today seem kind of silly. Why do they just are so using these really intense masks 50 million times the movie?
00:09:29
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I think it comes from that. And then... um Especially the second one. and The second one, I think they a lot more than first Oh, it's crazy, dude. um And then um the stuff with like the your your mission, if you choose to accept it, this will self-destruct. like All that's like from the OG and stuff. um So I felt like this one was cool because they kind of paid a homage to, maybe not the TV show. I haven't seen it. um But ah there's like an old school... like kind of like filming to it like there's certain shots of like um the uh i can't remember jim's wife whatever her name a claire uh like where it's like they did this old hollywood thing where like her face is like more glowing because there's extra light because she's a woman kind of a thing even though she it like does badass stuff but like when it's like mate will they won't they kind of moments they like do that old school kind of filmmaking technique
00:10:21
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And they just do, like, a bunch of, like like, the way they use shadows with, like, on people's eyes without, like, looking through slits and stuff. That was all super classic. Like, and I'm like, dang, this is, like, really, like, kind of harking back to, like, ah like a, like, an old Hollywood espionage, like, 60s, like,
Production Value & Audience Expectations
00:10:35
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spot. Like, they're really doing a good job, like, like...
00:10:38
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ah reflecting and emulating but also while still modernizing like where they got the idea like reboot these movies and stuff that's definitely a pro there con for the second one they don't do a fuck they don't give a shit i think they just lose control i think it's just the most basic looking fucking 2000s movie you could ever see it looked it shot and edited and like uh everything about it is just so like it could be It's like a McMansion copy-paste of that entire era of, like, we just need to put an action movie out, it'll make a bunch of money. Put a hot girl out there. Put a hot girl out there. Ramp up the sexual tension. Not even sexual tension, just make it super sexy for seemingly no reason. I don't know. Fuck. I'll go opposite. I will say pro for the second one. will say like more in the first one. That's just because I'm a dude. I liked all the action and killing in the second one. Yeah, I mean, there is more action. The first ones, there's really not any killings besides the teammates. Yeah.
00:11:36
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And maybe a few of the guards. A few guards here and there. Like, a few, like, no-name people, for sure. a lot more no-name people die in this one. But then also a lot of, like, good guys and but or bad guys, I guess, more so in the second one. um They get got in, like, pretty wild, dramatic ways.
00:11:54
Speaker
And, like, i don't get me wrong. I'm all i'm all about explosions in movies and stuff. But, like, and it's wild in the second one. It's, like... Because this wasn't it wasn't Michael Bay. But I wouldn't call it untasteful i in the second one. I would just call it just um but but i was bombastic. I guess you use a great word. It's just like so wild. where yeah The first one I would say it was very subtle. Not subtle, but like my favorite one of my favorite scenes. I would say probably talked to in all Mr. Pouchables films um is the the water scene where like there he meets him to go oh when he first is like he's like you're the fucking mall and then like the water and comes all out there and he holds the gum and like to honest i forgot about the gum again and he gives it i was talking i see that i forgot i forgot completely about the gum the gum is so important yes like to him getting away with a bunch of stuff and i'm just like okay i can definitely see why like this yeah it's just it's just beautiful to watch yeah it's just like i don't know it felt like a tighter script like like stuff like felt like more relevant like like um the jack the first dude who dies during the mission gone wrong um like like there's like whole scene he's like here's how you use this gum that's probably the gory's death probably the first two i mean even like the second one when i um
00:13:11
Speaker
we were watching it, the virus, the shots of the virus and stuff on the ah camera that they're looking at. I mean, yeah, like that was like bloody, but that was like, i was surprised that when he went up and like the elevator, like claw thing, whatever it is, like guess it's like holds the elevator extra at the top or something. I don't know. Um,
00:13:32
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Like, it, like, you see his face, like, go into it a little bit, and it's like, damn. Like, he doesn't, like, start, like, spewing gratuitous blood or anything, but, like, it obviously would, you know? Like, i was kind of, like, damn, I forgot that they, like, you, like, see his, like, like, get him getting stabbed by that, like, which was wild, so.
00:13:49
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um Yeah. I don't know, this was, I think...
Word Frequency & Film Quality Theory
00:13:52
Speaker
and talked to you about this i think we like when we do this for each movie like and second third and fourth when we should see like which one we like more and which one you like better because i think to be honest we differ on a lot of them especially the next one especially the next one the next one's the biggest one i think we'll die because i think you said rogue nation was your favorite one i like rogue nation a lot but uh but the three is also very good three is my favorite i can say three is my favorite just far as like yeah plot and action like you meet Ethan's wife and you see all his like hey what he cares about then Luther's in it and then we get I think we finally get Simon Pegg okay sorry we're getting forward to it but anyway we'll get there I think this one's like it's pretty clear quote to me I mean
00:14:31
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the second one's just so basic and just doesn't have any substance. and it Yeah, exactly. there We don't even, we don't even see this main character ever again. Um, the girl, we, I know she's gone. do I don't remember how she disappears. If they just break up if she just dies somehow, like she's gone. but when did, and when did Ethan get married?
00:14:49
Speaker
No fucking. exactly don' remember I don't remember any of the like, but like, like background mythology of like why it's there now. I have no fucking clue.
00:15:00
Speaker
Well, like the only characters i think like we actually stick with i think luther stays in the next like the rest of the movies yeah he's all yes um but and thank god for him they just don't hold that much substance even the first one the first one's a great building block they just fudged it up and i think they slightly get to like where an actual mission impossible movie should be yeah and least in my book from what they've given me it's like hey this is their overarching scale Oh, yeah. um The first one is like a true classic to me. I think i i just think. Oh, yeah. It's beautiful it's beautiful to watch. It's top three for me out of mission for me. It's a Fallout, probably Rogue Nation. And then number one my and then like number three probably would be ah the fourth one. And then they you know vary from there.
00:15:42
Speaker
because ghost protocol is fine like ghost protocols i don't remember that one as much like rogue nation i love rogue nation when's the one they climb up the tower is that rogue nation or is that gross protocol because i'm pretty that might be ghost protocol yeah that sounds right because rogue nation is when these these guys get hold of a fucking nuke yeah that's crazy oh he has to like touch it in his own staircase okay yeah that's actually okay yeah yeah yeah we'll we'll we will have a definitive answer of which is our favorite like by the end of this three just holds some deep type emotion every time think mission impossible that's the one i think of yeah i think of fallout which is why that's my favorite one i think um um another pro uh like we were talking about for uh number one uh really cool that luther uh is just like a fucking badass hacker and not just some like big thug yeah or yeah the bad the bad guy or the henchman or the bad guy or the muscle because there can be luther i mean At least on screen, I think they portray him pretty big.
Stunts and Tom Cruise's Dedication
00:16:39
Speaker
It's impossible to not portray him as because he's just a big man. Big Rames. He's just a big dude. He's the hacker. He's the guy in the van. That's awesome. That's awesome. 96, that's kind wild. That's kind of wild that he...
00:16:55
Speaker
like that's kind of wild like that he ah That he's not just like a thug or like a bad guy or just like some like, like just kind of like big muscle dude. Like, yeah. Even though he can't eat. He's the smartest guy. Can't he get out of a fucking van, dude? When he, that one scene when they had bombed his van, it got caught. You're that big? You're stuck by that? Okay, so no cell. When we cut back to him after it explodes and we're like, oh my god, did he die? He didn't die. I know. how many you know you It doesn't even... it not No, no, no. His entire... His coat... The arm of his coat is completely off.
00:17:30
Speaker
And it's like a leather jacket. So he ripped the entire thing off using... Again, a big dude. he like rips his... uh the fucking arm of his coat just like a bli so he has like a one-armed coat now because like you see him and he's like oh she's in the building he's like yeah i fucking know like i'm getting shot at uh and stuff but like yeah so i mean they he he uses his muscles and that but like that's a that's an important scene dude do we think we're gonna lose the fucking smartest guy on the team it would be classic for black actor die this isn't a horror this isn't a horror movie it's still the though it was 2000 close enough it was shot in the and written in the 90s
00:18:11
Speaker
ah by that bastard. I wonder what takes them so long to shoot these fucking movies. Because I was looking at the time gaps also between like all the movies. Most of them are between three and four years, to be honest.
00:18:22
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of it's on location yes stuff, which I appreciate and is good. um and so you have to work around that. And the practical effects. And the practical effects, which I do a lot of, which is awesome. um And then honestly...
00:18:37
Speaker
A good portion of it is probably figuring out how Tom Cruise can like ride a motorcycle off of a cliff safely before they practice it and then they shoot it. wonder who has to be the smug stunt double who has to do that before Tom Cruise gets on there. well that's the thing it's always All these stunts for that matter. You always hear like he's like he does all of his own stunts it's like, great.
00:19:01
Speaker
But the is the who's the guy who has to test drive the stunt before they start rolling and then Tom Cruise does it for the actual movie? Because they're not going to be like, yeah, this should work, and then just throw him in there. You're fucked like at that point.
00:19:16
Speaker
Because I can't remember. There's one where he jumps... um from one building to another, which does not narrow it down, obviously.
Pacing, Narrative Impact & Uncredited Actors
00:19:25
Speaker
But, like, he, like, the way he lands, he, like, breaks his foot or something and then, like, runs out of the scene and they, like, stop filming for, like, a month while his foot healed and stuff like that. So, you kind of can't you know you have to like have somebody else there to like yes to like deal with that and do that shit yeah like he calls just film around him i mean he's not in every scene least in the first one he wasn't ever seen the second one he wasn't allowed to either there's a lot of things i would say i mean he's the main actor yeah i mean he's the guy yeah he's i mean he's also because he's i noticed on the first i'm i'm assuming it's going to be for all of them he's one of the uh uh one of the like main producers too yeah So, I mean, like, you know, his foot was healing and, you know, it was like, okay, well, now we just have to shoot others, everything else that I'm not in until I can, like, run again and stuff like that. but And I will say this, to be honest, and I can, there's not many actors out there who I do, I think, this really well and, like, in a real time, like, with, like,
00:20:20
Speaker
not a lot practical effects yeah no actor i know runs as well tom tom cruise dude he running like when he runs you can tell he's one not i mean it it looks like he's busting ass but he looks like he he's giving his motherfucking all dude and that's one thing tom cruise dude you that guy no matter what they say about you your son tall jane yell that fucking shit dude you be running at yourself and yelling at yourself when you're running dude Yeah, I mean, yeah, you gotta give him big ups for doing his own stunts. In a suit! In a suit, too!
00:20:49
Speaker
It's sometimes in a suit. Most of the time it is in a suit. 50%. Like, 50-50, he's in a suit or he's not. still I mean, the first one, in the very beginning, he was running in a suit. Full fucking ass. Like, hauling ass.
00:21:01
Speaker
Like, for, I mean, the first, like, 30 minutes of the movie. I wonder where he runs a 40-yard ass. You know, should ask ChatGPT this Yeah, ask ChatGPT how fast his 40 is. mean, okay. i mean okay Um, also, speaking of while I'm getting on my phone, I did have some stuff I wanted to look at, and I will go over that right now.
00:21:20
Speaker
How many times do you think, and we kind of talk about this, but I'm pretty you already don't remember. Um, how many times do you think Mission was said in the first movie? Oh, right. Um, it was, uh...
00:21:31
Speaker
Like 27 or something? Yeah, 27 times. 27 times the word mission is used. It's only said 14 times in the second movie. Which is insane. yeah Yes. But also, Anthony Hopkins specifically says mission impossible yeah in a sentence. like back Like he says those words back to back.
00:21:48
Speaker
So that's that's always fun when they do that. And then also I noticed... So remember I was like, Anthony Hopkins is in the second one, right? like And you were like, yeah. And I went to IMDb to like... go look at whoever else was on it on it and i was like why is he not at the top like why is he not one of the top bill it's anthony hopkins he should be like right next to tom cruise in terms of like billing and stuff and that's usually how it's listed um he is near the bottom because he's uncredited Like he is in it, but like he, like if you like during the title sequence, like it doesn't say Anthony Hopkins, but Anthony Hopkins is the guy who calls him in for the mission, gives him the mission at the beginning. And then he talks to him at the end being like, okay, we're going to wipe all of her debt and stuff like go on vacation.
00:22:33
Speaker
But he's not like credited. He doesn't have a credit in the movie. And I'm just like, do you think he saw the final cut and was like, yeah, take my name off of this. So he's like, you can use me and like, I'll take your money, but like, don't put my name. because it's like when you go to look them like yeah what movies is it it's like it won't be it won't come it won't come up at the top i respect anthony alfkins if you did that you're a genius and i love you i also looked up how many times he said impossible both films and i'm i'm interesting because i think i see a trend how many times how many times do you think it was said the first one jacob
00:23:08
Speaker
impossible right impossible the word impossible okay the second one i know it said at least once the first one i'm gonna say impossible i'm gonna say i'm gonna be conservative and say like 16 16 on the first one yeah it was seven damn second one how many times This one I feel like is more like a 40.
00:23:31
Speaker
The one time that you remember, Jacob, is the one time it was sad. Really? Yes. So I think my correlation so far, I haven't looked at it. That's crazy. I haven't looked at it, and I think I'll do better I'm tracking it
Audience Engagement & Future Film Speculations
00:23:41
Speaker
to actually fact check. I just asked ChatGPT, and ChatGPT knows this shit. Yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker
world we live in. I think the correlation is the least, the lower amount times they say the words mission and impossible in a film, the more trash the movie is. they need to say mission and or impossible more, the better it is. Yes. So that's your running theory going forward. I haven't looked at any of them, so I don't want to spoil it. We'll need to see them, yeah, for number three. I don't want to spoil I don't think that trend's going to actually last just because the movies get better. Yeah. but that's why i'm shocked that it's it's only the once yes the second one but but it's in when he mission impossible right that it's
00:24:18
Speaker
it's only the one yes the second one but but it's in when he says mission impossible roberts or Or he says like this mission is impossible or something like that. I don't know. It's called mission doable or mission the impossible. exactly yes like that Oh my God. but We'll see. i Like I said, I don't think the trend is going to last just because I know they say it.
00:24:44
Speaker
In what's it called, the fourth form, because he says mission accomplished. So I know says mission one Yeah, so there's mission. um But it could be very, very, it'd be very cool if like three and four just pop off and say like 20, 40 times. That'd be fucking awesome.
00:25:00
Speaker
All right. Yeah. So I guess we'll see about that. i'm I am curious now, now that we've looked into that. Okay. The box office ah report will make more sense going forward, too. Well, just naturally for inflation, too. yeah i I mean, yeah, there's some there's that, obviously, to be accounted for. but um is are going to move There is one that dips.
00:25:22
Speaker
that goes that day really yeah but we'll get to it i think it has to be after five at least we'll get to it oh there's no way three does it we'll get to it i'm not telling you i don't think we'll never come out i'm not telling you i know i'm pretty i'm pretty sure for covid they like held like if they had one ready they held it yeah like you know like they were like no people who are gonna see this in theaters it better not be three but we shall see sometime before we go to the last one. Cause last one's going to make like a billion fucking dollars. Probably. do that so We're so fucking jazzed. And to be honest, we're a little behind, but I think it'd be very interesting to see if like, we do like a week, week and a half afterwards to see like what are is Ari is at.
00:26:00
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Yeah. Oh yeah. Like, cause we're probably good. We're going to see it. ah The plan is to go see it like as soon as possible like when it comes out and then like do our thoughts on it and stuff. But it'll be easy to do like a... like ah Let's say we go see it like opening weekend, then we record again like next like the following Thursday. There'll be opening weekend box office office reports for it by then so we can do that at the very least.
00:26:23
Speaker
trying to see. when When does it actually come out?
Narrative Devices, Character Arcs & Romantic Subplots
00:26:27
Speaker
It's like May 20-something? Like 23rd? think it's like 18th 23rd. I think you're right. I hope it's the 23rd. Because May 18th is very soon.
00:26:38
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We got a lot more movies we gotta watch. It is the 23rd. Nice! We got time. Pulled that out of my ass. man Well, I'm thinking... um There's more good to talk about in the first one. Yes. I feel like I had something else specific that I wanted to bring up. We talked about...
00:26:54
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like I didn't like the filmmaking i didn't like a love interest in the first one I will say i just thought well it was like was it even there? I should i guess say it really even wasn't the Kim thing that was the probably the weirdest thing about that situation is the the Kim and Job thing not Job but what was his name? ah Which one? Job is was Jim's yeah jim ah undercover, like his evil name. I didn't like Jim and Kim.
00:27:22
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Claire. Claire. Yeah. Jim and Claire, just because like it just felt weird. And also, did Jim... like There were some times his hair looked gray to were some times looked brown to me. Did you... like I don't know if you noticed that. it was I couldn't tell half the time. Yeah, I was like, it was very weird. Because like I remember in the first few scenes, it looked gray. Yeah. And then like in the middle movies, it looked...
00:27:41
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brown but then it would turn back to gray and i think it turned back to gray yeah so it was one of those it's one of those things where it was like like that actor is great uh i can't ever remember his name uh he's uh nick cage's dad in national treasure great role of his he does amazing in that um and he's older you know because that's like eight years later the first one of those comes out but i just don't understand it's what it's one of those weird things where like it's not that he's a bad actor he's a great actor But he's also Ethan's like mentor.
00:28:13
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so you couldn't make him too, too young. came be couldn't be like the same age. He had to be like his mentor. And then they I guess they wanted to play off like,
00:28:27
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a love triangle thing where like, okay, Jim died. Claire survived. They were married. And now it's, now there's like a, will they, won't they turns out Claire's in on it with Jim and they're both trying to fuck over Ethan, but she doesn't want Jim to kill Ethan.
00:28:45
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She just wants to like, let him go. Let's just take the money and run and stuff. And so then he, Jim pops. If you have saw, if you haven't seen these movies, just it' like like, it's, it's,
00:28:56
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your fault. It's almost 30 years old. It's almost 30. We got one more year for it to be 30 years old. It's fine. um No spoilers for any of these. 30 or 20? Just so you know. 30. 30. Yeah.
00:29:08
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But um and so like it's one it's it's a weird thing because it's like he has to be a little bit older, but he can't be too old because he's married to someone who's ostensibly the same age as, like, Ethan, you know, and stuff. So, like, I don't know how it works, but there's got to be, like, a 10-year age gap, 15-year age gap, like, between them, like, if not more. And so, like, it felt like they could have gone with somebody a little bit younger. They probably could have gone a little younger and stuff because, again, his hair does look great. It does. I was just like, it's...
00:29:43
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weird and i guess i made me realize like look at it more times and maybe i'm wrong to be honest maybe i was just seeing some shit maybe the i say maybe maybe the stonestays ticket for him maybe it's maybe he's not as old as he looks you know and like i have no idea um but yeah that was kind of little oh a little weird kind of a thing in that one um I get why they wanted to have like a little bit of a triangle and stuff, but then I'm curious who told... it's PG-13. I know, but I'm curious who told... Yeah, it's pg thirteen Fucking second one.
00:30:15
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who who Who did they like ask, like oh, there wasn't enough like love and like sexual sexuality and sensesib but and sensuality in the first one, so they're like, okay, cool, we'll get Thandie Newton and we'll just crank it up to as far as PG-13 can take it.
00:30:32
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like it that really threw me off i forgot how like sexually charged their first meeting is and then it's like okay the next day they're banging they're seemingly madly in love after like racing to the death like death race tag like tag car tag they played car tag and they almost died and you were like that's not how gravity works like where she's like hanging off the edge and stuff like that's just not how that would work like you're right you're jumping somebody else's car all hanging off the cliff it just stays perfectly still just doesn't move and then you just pull this girl up into your lap and just still stay still y'all stay there and you're still in the long into the guess that was the worst part about that fucking movie but what's crazy too is about that movie is like part of it and it's hard to say this it's not his fault
00:31:22
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Hans Zimmer did the job that he was paid to do, and the the score is very
Critique of Score & Impractical Scenes
00:31:26
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good. I i disagree. I think the the score, to me, it's is more like ethnic score, I would say. I mean, that's in there because they're in Spain for most of the movie. Yes, that's true.
00:31:37
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But I'm saying... the music he did was good and worked for the scenes that he wrote them for. Just why did we go from car tag to really intense? Look, that's a writing issue. That is a writing and editing issue.
00:31:53
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Well, neither one of them should be there. Not like that. Back to back. Like, yeah, it's just the way that he was enough. like Yeah, we get it. scroll because It's tough. And then the next morning youre like the next day or no, it's the the car scene. It's tub scene, car scene,
00:32:08
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next morning they're in bed like bang bang bang yeah and then he's like and then he's like mc anthony hopkins like oh i thought you wanted her as a thief like no we want her to go in there as the like uh damsel in distress ex-girlfriend because he'll fall for it and stuff and he's just like heartbroken he's i can't do this to her like oh my god it's just like dude you guys have known each other three days like calm down i don't know but That just threw me off. I think the love triangle interest, regardless of the age factor, makes more sense in the first one than in this one. Cause it's just like, it just felt so, so like heavy handed.
00:32:50
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like it was integral to the plot. okay but they it was just so heavy-handed up top it's like these guys really love each other and you need to know that now because now here comes anthony hopkins saying what the real plan is and we got to get this two-hour movie going yeah kind of a thing so we can get to these car explosions and the motorcycle fight oh yeah we ain't talking about the motorcycle fight yet okay use it around i do think we probably have clips 45 minutes um um The goal is for these to be a little shorter. yes and no no away we We don't need four hours. so talk about movies I think two and a half hours is going to be perfect. perfect and i think the probably These probably should be the shortest ones.
00:33:30
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but What was I fucking looking up? I forgot. i forgot forgot forgot how what you looking What were we talking about? we Motorcycle. Oh, the motorcycle scene. um Apparently, this is the only one um that is shot, I think, in Spain.
00:33:44
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and yeah Two, it was the only one that I think there's two people in a motorcycle, like in the motorcycle crashes. i think like, well, they actually like crash, crash into each other. Like two running motorcycles at least.
00:33:58
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Interesting. Or ChadGBT. Man clutch out there. Actually, I really don't to ChadGBT because it scares the fuck out of me. Yeah. I really don't use it that much besides stupid shit. And yet you're filling it with Mission Impossible information. The shit that don't matter. That's all it needs to know. guess that's fair.
00:34:13
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So this is the only one where there's two motorcycles that battle? I think so. At least that's what I asked ChadGBT. That's probably for the best. It's the worst fucking scene. I can't believe It's so fucking stupid. I understand why this one did better than this the second one.
00:34:28
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mean, the second one did better than the first one, but, like, she really shouldn't have. In terms of, like... I guess media wasn't ah that much of a thing like it is right now, because, like, it would get torched, and, like, no one would see it. like Oh, yeah. Well, i mean, obviously there wasn't, like, you know, TikTok where people could just roast it and, like, make like make ah roast memes and videos about it, you know? Did the director...
Director Impact & Mixed Reception Analysis
00:34:51
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ever direct he The first director, he ever directed Another Mission Impossible? I don't know. um He did not direct this one. He's a different screenwriter, too. mark um I don't know if they go back to other... If they like keep bringing behind-the-scenes people more. because im The only behind-the-scenes people that I...
00:35:08
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can like off the top of my head recognize is a Tom Cruise. It's cruise. Cause it, it says a crew slash Wagner production. so it was like Tom Cruise. And then whoever Wagner is like, they, they're like executive producers on it. So their executive producers probably on all of them. So they get to have some final say in like how things go and everything.
00:35:27
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um But the director, the writer and the director were different for these two. I think part of the reason the first one didn't do so well, I mean, it did Probably lesser than all the rest. Less than the fucking worst one. is it like The worst one got less than $400,000?
00:35:45
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Yes. Okay. Yeah. um But this one... I think it's like, so you're telling me Tom Cruise, who wasn't like a huge, like, I mean, he'd been in some stuff, you know, he'd been in like a good bit of stuff, but like, wasn't like the big ass name he is now.
00:36:02
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Um, it's like this guy and we're going to, and it's a reboot. modernization of this 60s spy show that was like kind of goofy like in stuff at least based on like what I was looking at like or watching I was looking at some stuff and I was like the show seems like it was kind of goofy you know it's like so you're gonna do you're gonna remake that Into like a feature movie and stuff like okay, and then like a few people in were like okay Yeah, it's actually not that bad and stuff and so then a lot more people were like oh there's another one coming out so I feel like more people went yes, and then we're like oh No, they fucked it up, you know I think so I think that's part of it has been a third has been third one as a lowest one or lower than this one It's the third boy. umular one I was just thinking about just a trend.
00:36:50
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It's the third one so shit and one was like I'm not going to get And then they're like, oh shit, no, this one's actually amazing. And then and then and then they figure it And then it skyrockets. yeah Yeah, and then everything, I think everything from there goes up. I still think it's the best one. Is it the lowest rated one?
00:37:04
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No, it's definitely not the lowest rated one. Second one. Let's let's ah look at that real quick for these two, what the ratings are. and then we'll wrap it up so we're not again you're trying to be shorter because I mean i will add to be honest I think me and you the third or fourth one i think to be longest one probably next one I think will be our longest one let's see unless I'm missing something that I'm like my childhood because I haven't seen it in a while I haven't seen a lot of these movies in all al I haven't seen any of them since um um We did our build up to Fallout.
00:37:36
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Like a lot of these older ones I haven't seen since then. and Let's see. Mission Impossible. No, not the Final Reckoning, bro. would have been on for at least 30 minutes. Advertising to me. That one that one's got a 66 on Rotten Tomatoes. On the first one? The first one. Okay. okay Now let's look at two.
00:37:51
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Please be lower. It's got to be lower. It has to be lower. It's like 24. It's like 56. Really? 10% lower. twenty four point fifty six ridiculous say lower That's Not a lot lower. i mean, but actually films you genetically don't do that well. I mean, yeah.
00:38:05
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one did get a 42% from the audience. The second one. Let's see what the first one did for audience. 66 critic and load. yeah There it goes. 71. Okay. Positive, positive reviews on both sides ah for
Brian De Palma's Influence & Series Future
00:38:22
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the first one. The second one critics were like, it's whatever, but the audience ah hated it and as they should have.
00:38:29
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um Yeah, because, oh, yeah, the first director is ah Brian De Palma, who is like, he's done so many. He directed ah Scarface, The Untouchables, the the original Carrie movie, Dressed to Kill, Carlito's Way. but He did a bunch of crazy shit in the 80s. So that makes a lot of sense. you know Snake Eyes with fucking Nick Cage. Come on. Come on. This great horror movie ah Thriller movie called Sisters Yeah Brian De Palma has A super impressive resume And the other guy Just did not do it It was not the guy ah But yeah so
00:39:08
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Good job, Brian De Palma. You knocked it out of the park. That also explains why there was a lot of like homage and old-style filmmaking techniques like in a modernized way. Because he's kind of a goat. Did he do... On his list, you see any sequels on there?
00:39:23
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No. Mission Impossible wasn't even... like When I went to like his movies, like that wasn't even one of the first ones. like He's known for so many other things. It's one of those ones where he was like ah he's like ah like, I could use a paycheck. And it was like, oh, this is kind of cool. And then he like put... like put 100% on it and made it ah awesome also makes sense why some of the like stabbing scenes and like the bloody scenes are like a little more and like this with Jack getting stabbed makes sense because he did like horror thriller kind of a kind of a thing um mostly thriller but you know gory ah more gory than you would think yeah
00:39:57
Speaker
Alright, so first one's great, second one sucks. all right That's the worst one we're going to watch. i think it's the worst one. I think the hard one after this one, to me, I think the hardest one is like, which one do you rate seven and which one do rate six?
00:40:10
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Yeah. Yeah, which one's which one's the second one? Because I know pretty much which one's my top three or four. Yeah. Five, six, and seven. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Because, like I mean, like, Fallout, I think, is number one for me still.
00:40:21
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but And then Ghost... I think it's Day of Reckoning. Day of Reckoning might be seven for me. Day of Reckoning, yeah. i kind just it was just It was just... Oh, wait, that's the newest one. I haven't seen that one yet. Okay, you haven't seen a new one, though? I didn't see it in theaters, and I wanted to wait.
00:40:35
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Because I was like, well, I'm just going to wait. so He's waiting for the podcast. No, well, sure, but it was more so I was waiting. I was like, I was like, well, I don't want have to be like everybody else and I have wait like two years uh, pretty sure it was like a 2021, pretty quick.
00:40:51
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It's a, it's definitely a decently quick turnaround because they were like, I think they'd like just filmed, they filmed all the first one and then almost immediately got into the filming second one.
00:41:02
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I could be wrong about that, but I don't know. I would think they would have gone straight into filming. Let's see. Let's see. The last one came out 2023.
00:41:16
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Okay, so just two years. I guarantee you, though, they had their movie ready in 2021. They just couldn't do it because of COVID and the numbers were fucking shit. And they just kept pushing them back.
00:41:27
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Oh, yeah. See, well, that's another thing. They were probably already like deep into filming. ah the the second The final Reckoning was probably... yeah Like 65% done. Yeah, July 12th.
00:41:40
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Yeah. yeah So yeah, that was a summer blockbuster. Oh yeah. but Yeah, they were probably, um i would say like 65 to 70% of the way done with Final Reckoning when Day of Reckoning came out. Yeah.
00:41:53
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But I missed in theaters and I was like, fuck it, I'll just wait. I was like, I'll just wait. And it's been fine. It's just two years. Yeah. I mean, i've been I've been hearing and seeing, like hearing from people and seeing a lot of stuff that was like, it was like, yeah, it's good. But like it felt, you know, you can tell that there's like an okay pause yeah and then we'll get the rest of the story later kind of a thing. and that To me, that's one thing I hate about sequels and you know the sequels. It's like, here you know, like, like the one part I loved, loved about um um my favorite second film I think of all time, which is Amazing Spider-Verse.
00:42:23
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Oh yeah, Across the Spider-Verse. Yes, Across the Spider-Verse. It's because it kept feeling like that movie was going to like keep going. like the I didn't think story was over. That film felt so easy. and like I could have watched two more hours of that movie. and like like Kind of where I'm pissed about that film because it said would be out next to me. Yeah, at the end of it, it'll be out next to me. It's only little been two years. and say It's going to be 2026? Maybe.
00:42:47
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Maybe, if we're lucky. Exactly. Well, we all know that... ah Dude needs to just get in that booth and record and get over it. Oh, yeah.
00:42:57
Speaker
Josh Allen needs to and marry her, and then it won't matter. Well, now he's got Michael B. Jordan to deal with. Oh, yeah. You've been seeing all that shit? Yeah, exactly. Especially because there's sequels of this shit, too. Allegedly. Hopefully. I hope so. Sinner's is great.
Conclusion & Excitement for the Future
00:43:10
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But, yeah, i um you've seen some of those like jo like those memes and stuff like videos people are making about Allen. It's crazy. It's crazy, dude. It's like, yeah, ooh, it's, uh, she full, spoilers for Sinners, she full-blown spits in Michael B. Jordan's mouth. I still haven't seen it yet. No CGI spits in his mouth. Wasn't in the script.
00:43:31
Speaker
But they went for it, and they were like, yeah, that works. And Josh Allen had to sit there opening night and just... Oh, wow. That's great. you do need to see that movie as soon as possible. It's fucking amazing. um And it's not... Austin wasn't scared. You won't be scared. I know you're not a big horror movie guy, but like you'll like it. It's not my favorite genre, especially in theaters. I would say this is... In theaters, it's always... Scary movies are always like terrifying theaters. like Oh, yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker
I can watch one at home, but when you're at theaters... Nah, this one, you need to give everybody involved with this movie some of your money by going into... And, more importantly... it's you gotta see it in theaters it's just it's is such a beautiful experience with all the music and everything it's fantastic um but anyway so that's Sinners go see Sinners we are short on that one yeah anyway i Mission Impossible go check out my last video last video ah yeah hear more about ah Sinners it's the best movie that's ever been made this year at least um it's early it's early ah but I mean it's fine it's fine um
00:44:34
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ah yeah Mission Impossible 1, great. 2, absolutely sucks, but it only goes up from here. So stay tuned for that. We will end with seeing the last one. And hopefully it's good. Hopefully it's the best movie of the year. Hopefully it's the best movie the year. Probably won't be. Can't be.
00:44:52
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um Well, thanks, Justin. We'll do this again like in a week. See guys soon. Bye.