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Fantastic Four: First Steps vs. Rise of the Silver Surfer with Justin Hendrick
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Justin is back! This time we're debating and discussing these two Fantastic Four movies because they are pretty damn similar. One is definitely better than the other and I'm sure you can guess which one.
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Bad Movie Debate'
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um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on. Something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie Debate!
00:00:19
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What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Babb for Bad Movie Debate, here to talk about Fantastic Four, First Steps, and Rise of the Silver Surfer. I've got Justin Hendrick here with me once again. um he had a phenomenal idea to ah compare these two movies and kind of debate them because they're very similar they plot. Very much so. like They're very similar in plot. like both Both Sue Storms dies. They both deal with Galactus. don't even completely...
00:00:45
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ah Whore boys, which we'll get into in a minute. Yeah. But that's fine. That's fine. It's fine. Also, spoilers. If you don't know, you don't know. Whatever. see the movie. Go see the movie.
Technical Issues and Restart
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It's been a couple weeks. This is the second time we're trying this because I wasn't recording before. So we're kind of speeding through At least we like...
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At least I caught like five minutes in. Oh, yeah. We had just started, so we were maybe only five to nine. Yeah, we're speeding back to... Which fine. So you're missing probably an extra 20 seconds of dialogue. Yeah, it's fine. Anyway, guys, sorry. So that's why we're a little frazzled. Because it's like, oh, shit. What are we talking about? did this go? It was organic now. It was doing great. So you had asked me how I thought First Steps.
Admiration for 'First Steps'
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I really liked First Steps. The retro futuristic aesthetic was really nice, which... like you had said before, is, like, we knew was going to look like that from the trailers, and, like, I was, I liked I was going to like it no matter what in terms of aesthetic.
00:01:41
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um This one just felt better because it has the Disney touch. It just felt a little more, like, obviously it's better produced, and, like, the writing was taken a little more seriously. just really can't make really good, not necessarily can't make good superhero or good Spider-Man films because they do have some Spider-Man films that are really good. Yeah, and the OG X-Men movies are super fun. Exactly. Super fun to watch. And to be honest, they had less tools back then. Obviously, yeah. Now we have millions millions of dollars that Disney and Marvel have put into their how they want their movies to look, how they want to be shot, and everything else, too.
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um I was saying earlier that I really liked First
Criticism of 'First Steps' Marketing
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Steps lot. lot, a lot. I enjoyed it. It was very fresh, I thought, than pretty much any other Marvel movie that's come out. because Yeah, i felt different than any of them. A lot of them are trash. and Especially some the tv shows. I think Marvel and Disney know what money grab they have now, so they're just putting out...
00:02:36
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poor, less quality. Yeah, they're just they're putting out as much as they can. It's quantity. Yeah, yeah exactly. I watch just i think it's game of our time. This was very new. um The one thing i will say, and it's probably the biggest thing, and i don't really have much bad say but bad things to say about First Steps, but I will say this.
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I didn't like the way they marketed and advertised it. they um yeah like Once I knew Franklin Richards was in the movie, yeah i I knew he was going to some uncrazy shit, so I knew there were really no threats to it. yeah they i'm I found Franklin Richards being into it, but I wanted not to know going into the movie.
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Yeah, I completely agree.
Marvel Universe Reset Theories
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And I think that they i was talking to a coworker about it when the trailers were coming out. um They there's a shot where in one of the trailers where Sue Storm is walking like she doesn't have a baby bump, but she's walking like she's pregnant, like the waddle, you know, and like but she doesn't have the baby bump. And people were like.
00:03:34
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oh, she's so she's definitely pregnant she's definitely pregnant. They were talking about like ah Franklin Reed. Then like two weeks later, they put out another teaser and it's like, yeah, she's pregnant. and it's like They just were like, oh, everybody already knows. I guess we'll just like make it like a... like We'll bark at it. in that like Yeah, you guys are right. and stuff but like Also, it's called First Steps. so Of course. like I don't know. That could be just a way that Disney's trying to go through in a new direction. and i True. I thought that at the end of this movie, there's going to be some cataclysm thing that, like, reset the Marvel Universe. Yeah, that's what I thought, I when they tried to, like, move the planet, it was going to move them to this universe. Which thought would have been really cool. It's still kind of weird to see how it is. I almost guarantee it's going to be some mix of Franklin Richards and Reed Richards making something, and then Franklin Richards, like, just touches it. Like, hey, we're going to the still, Richard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Casting Comparisons and Nostalgia
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I really, really enjoyed the Silver Surfer scenes in First Steps. They really good. That's probably, I enjoyed the most difference because like, Silver Surfer and Rise of Silver Surfer, the first movie, was kind of, was just like straight line. Yeah. I don't remember him like,
00:04:52
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dipping and dodging like like she's riding on fucking galaxis oh yeah no yeah she was like yeah she was like actually surfing on the lava stuff which is really cool really cool to watch really cool see um i wait to watch this movie when i get home like when it's actually at home yeah kind yeah see it on like a better tv than just what regal had yeah yeah to be honest i think that scenes look so mellow and so yeah that's my joy yeah My biggest gripe, and I think it's hard to argue, I will argue that Rise Silver Surfer is a better cast.
00:05:23
Speaker
Wow. I know. And that that that is hard for me say. I don't know that's more nostalgia. um They are two different completely castes. oh yeah i will say this. So are you saying just like in terms like the actors specifically or how the characters were written or both? I will say just because I get see Jekyll's Apple's titties in fire form on Rise of the Silver Surfer. But like, did you? Yes, yes, yes, yes, did. When she's on fire and she's like climbing up those stairs. Lord. It's 12-year-old Justin.
00:05:55
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I mean, okay Okay, so we're in over on this. I think the...
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the dynamics of the team was a lot funner in the original Rise of the Silver's River. It was very serious in First Steps. Yeah. I would say everything was a very much serious thing.
00:06:14
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The Johnny Storm was probably the only comedic part of... Well, yeah, but he always is. yeah like He is the like the laughable the thing is funny as shit, too. He is funny, too, in this one,
Debate on Reed Richards Portrayal
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yeah. but like and he's And in other iterations as well. I would say... I don't know. I felt like...
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cast and like dynamics and stuff um oh god what was i gonna say i was gonna say oh uh that that's what it is uh reed richards and when i was watching rise of the silver surfer i was getting very big like ted mosby energy from richards in the in the rise of the silver surfer like just the way he talked and acted and reacted to stuff i was like that's ted mosby like that and i was like I don't... That wasn't vibing with me. Like, Pedro Pascal's, I think... He was very serious and he was very smart and stuff.
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and Like, as he's supposed to be. But, like... I don't know. He felt more... It felt more like Reed Richards. and because i was like I was like, this is like... He's almost too over the top. like The older one in Rise the Silver Surfer. Just like the way he... like I don't know how else to say it. like he was I wrote down like Ted Mosby energy from Reed Richards. Everybody else, I felt, like was being their character very well. and stuff But like him, I was like... i He wasn't selling it for me. Pedro Pascal, I think, sold it for me a little bit more. would say Pedro Pascal is a better actor. so i saw He sold it better. would say...
00:07:38
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Pedro Pascal's, I don't know, Reed Richards' top five smartest beauties in the Marvel Universe. and oh yeah I didn't get that so much from Pedro Pascal, unless he was like doing his little TV show with Herbie, and it was still more comedic than I was actually. I'm nerding the fuck out. I love Herbie, though. Herbie was a great part of it. Herbie was awesome.
00:07:57
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Just to... Another problem I had with First Steps, it's not a problem. they They did well. I just think this something that Raza did better, is how the Fantastic Four utilizes their powers. Yeah.
Utilization of Powers in 'First Steps'
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um Even from like, it's only thing I don't, I think Pedro Pascal, as a character of the Fantastic Four, and portraying their character, is was one of the weakest ones okay i still enjoyed his his his version of reed richards i just think it was less likely that was like comic booky or right or like what he truly is he's smart he's a genius but he's a worry war but not that much of a worry word where he's like like itch and automatically about that that his whole character his whole movie yeah he was very stressed the entire time And the way he used his powers, too. It was very linear. Like, hey, I'm just climbing up a building where I need to. They climbed up building. trying not to die. But it was not like... I think the original Reed Richards did a lot better because one of the gripes I had on one of the action scenes is when they say, fuck off, Galactus, and running back to their ship is...
00:09:07
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Rhea Richards should have been able to get to that ship faster than anybody else. Yeah, and he he's running with her. Yes, with no... Using very minimum powers. when He can literally stretch his legs out as long as he wants to and get there in a quickness, in a hurry. And then Donna Thing and Johnny...
00:09:22
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bill cover for it yeah and just didn't just didn't use i just didn't stretch until the very end exactly to get there which is kind like what is going on and the things character portrayal which i mean he's just a muscle he's a muscle head yeah he's just a hole he's mostly he's not strong as a whole but still muscle right and pretty much impermanable screen um his character was good i liked probably there was probably the even battle i will say think Johnny Storm Rise of the Silver Star for Chris Evans. and that It's just probably because it's just Chris Evans. Yeah. but
00:09:54
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Had so much of what's to call ah better... Not better, Johnny Storm. Just better but Human Torch, I would say. Yeah, well, he... So... I don't know. He was much more... They were really laying on... In Rise Silver Surfer, they lay on thick, the ladies' man thing.
00:10:08
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Like, really, really thick. And it's like, to a point where it was like, okay, we get it. for me I know, guys. just Johnny likes space. Johnny likes girls. He just thinks about smashing them up. like that That was good. like that's like I liked that has more in First Steps, that it was like, he's a ladies' man, he was like...
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he only he was like he was the the sexy space naked alien like and stuff like he kept talking about like like he like they referenced how he was a ladies man and stuff but in uh which i liked more than in rise of the silver surfer where it's like every other scene he's like talking to a new girl very attractive woman and like dropping everything to do that and in first steps he was like uh or in rise of the silver surfer he was doing that a lot and he was like just cracking wise and like he didn't really like he didn't contribute as much because like he's also ah scientist he was also and astronaut going up into space like he's also smart and this one he actually he like figured out the language and stuff while they were like uh you know with the archimedes like find a level move the earth uh all that stuff he like actually like
00:11:19
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showed his intelligence in this one while still being referenced to as like a huge lady man. Like when they were doing all the like, cause it's like, Oh yeah, four years of the fantastic four. And they were doing all the cuts. Like he was doing all these like sexy lady things and like doing all these advertisements and stuff like for, uh, that were like more like sexed up than the others were doing.
00:11:39
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And like Reed was like teaching kids and he's like doing like, like supermodel shit and stuff. So like they touched it without it being like, The only thing that he does. Kind of a thing. And then he does the torch stuff. Which the torch stuff in Rise the Silver Surfer is great. Yes. Obviously. I mean he's chasing Silver Surfer through like scenes and like the alleys and tunnels. and It's fun. It's very fun. very fun. And to be honest it was same type of fun would say in Rise of the Silver Surfer. mean not Rise of the First Steps.
00:12:05
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um it's really hard it's not i don't think rise of silver is a better movie i and no shape or form because like which we're getting ready to probably get into i would say i and maybe just nostalgia i just like the cast yeah oh i mean just not saying not not saying my first crushes yeah exactly and not saying first steps does not have a great cast i just think if i can harp one thing about yeah rise of silver surfer over first steps it's just i think i'm more attached to cast i think yeah First Steps is a funnier movie, though. think it's very subtly more funnier. It was more clever with its humor. its there That one was like, ha-ha, he's a ladies' man. Ha-ha, he's an anxious nerd.
00:12:46
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Like, ha-ha, she's a sexy lady. Ha-ha, he's a big, dumb, strong guy. It was like very like, okay, yeah. like There were more like... um oh Oh, God, what's the words? Caricatures. Yes. Like this one, they felt like real people, but they were still doing those things and stuff. And like and like I really like Sue Storm in this because she's like the political side and stuff. And I thought that was cool. And I also thought...
00:13:08
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um her like the visualization of her powers with the iridescence uh was done better like i thought again and we we we touched on like well you can do a lot more now and stuff but like that felt a lot better and like looked a lot better also she's the strongest one out of all of them yeah obviously i mean at least in this universe i will say she is i mean she like she usually is in the comics though like she does this shit where she does some crazy off-the-wall shit and they're like whoa like reads like well take it easy to be honest like pushing Galactus back is no easy fucking feat like that's like literally top 10 top 15 strawberry beans in yeah and it kills her to do it but she can do it like you know what i mean like none of the rest of them could do it you know what I mean we should probably get into this part because this probably the biggest difference between these two movies is Galactus Galactus. Galactus
Villain Galactus and CGI Praise
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and his two movies.
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And I'll my i'll start by first steps. And I will say this. That is the best I've ever seen any villain look. Yeah. Especially in the his homeworld state. Yeah, like in his ship thing. I would say it gets lesser to me when he gets actually on street level. once he actually gets out. But when he's in his ship, he looks gigantic. yeah And the way they did his eyes in the different modes, like when he's scanning. Yeah, and then when he just has his actual eyes. He has his actual pupils.
00:14:28
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It's... it's fucking awesome it's so great look at it's so fucking awesome it is honestly i think like i said one of the best cgi villains i've ever seen like thanos was good thanos was great really good yeah but this seeing him in his home or in his domain yeah he's getting transported i can I can watch that scene over over again. It was it was and really good. It's crazy because it's such a dark lit scene. It's not like it's not like a super bright or super vibrant scene where you can see him. Yeah, exactly. and
00:14:59
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But that and that chase scene when he's trying to get to him and um Johnny... attacking him and starting to say okay let's go home all this yeah that scene was fucking awesome i love and then like the way uh because like he kind of fucked like johnny fucks him up pretty good uh for a second there to where like they're able to run again where's where's reed using his pad he could have been at that ship in a second like like almost which once i it so ah we we'll talk about that in a second but um i thought that um they did a really good or it was really cool like
00:15:31
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when his hand comes out, like, at the end, right, when they get to the ship and stuff, to, like, show
Plan Execution and Realism Against Galactus
00:15:35
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the scale of him, like, before we see him actually out walking around buildings and stuff, got me hyped for when he was walking around buildings, but when he was walking around buildings, it was a little less. Like, it was a little less. Not bad, but, like... It wasn't as much as...
00:15:49
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what that that scene had led up to me. It just wasn't as rad. Yeah, exactly. Like, Galacta should been just, like, fucking buildings up. Like, there's no way should be able to fit in between two buildings. I mean, technically, he can shrink his size what needs he can do whatever he needs, yeah. Which I guess why he feels smaller, so that way he can walk through the streets. Yeah, like, he's like, I'm taller than the buildings, but I can walk. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:16:08
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um Also, like, I don't know. I guess they did did not scope the... i guess What? Like...
00:16:18
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what how Galactus and Silvus are pretty smart characters. Not like the smartest, but smart characters. No, they're smart. And they just try to do like a baby switch. Oh, yeah. Or a easy magiustus game. like hey I don't know. i mean I mean, he almost gets them for a second, but then he like but then he immediately like he goes to step in it, and then he like he does like take a look around for like a second, and then like does a scan again, and he's what does he say? He says, a clever ants. like And then he's like, okay, you didn't get me.
00:16:46
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Because I was kind of thinking that, too. i was like... There's no way it's going to be that season. It really can't be. I was looking at my watch. I was like, no. He can just reach his arm and just grab him without just being half up there. Yeah, without having to walk all way up there. Yeah, I mean, with any superhero movie, there's obviously a suspension of disbelief. And to be honest, their first plan didn't work, which is that that was the real kind of, hey, the banger hate doesn't work there. So, hey, this is our backup within 10 days plan because Silver Starver comes in and fucks all the generators. Yeah, fucks up the things. Yeah, that would have worked, allegedly, assumingly. Realistically, though, I mean, if Galactus really wanted to, and Silver Surfer really wanted to, and to be honest, Galactus has been shown to be very vengeful.
00:17:28
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They still would have found him. They would have bought him a few years. Realistically. He would have found him. But by then they could have you know figured something else out which is with more time. What happens now? and i that i I have no idea. Well, you know, the mid-credits scene. was going to say...
00:17:50
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i was goingnna say Part of the thing is like with Reed's... Going back to that scene where he's like, why didn't he use as much ah of his powers and stuff?
Limited Powers of Reed Richards
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A lot of people were really worried when the trailers were coming out. They're like, we're seeing everybody else's powers. And they look good. like CGI-wise. like Special effects and stuff.
00:18:08
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But Reed was never using his powers and stuff that much. And people were like... oh, does the stretching not look good? like and like I thought it looked fine. It looked in the you know in the moments that it needed to look... i mean, like you said, the only scene that are very memorable for that I remember him using his powers a lot is when like it's a big in-fight scene and Galactus throws him across the building and he's trying to scale up a building and he goes through like the staircase. And he stretches the fuck out of it. Yes, exactly. In that aspect of it. He instilled that. Okay, so that's another big gripe. See, I thought it looked good but even he should have used I think he should his powers more if that's what they were worried about. in theory, Reed Richards can stretch out as long as he needs to. So someone's actually pulling him, there's no way that someone can kill him like that.
00:18:51
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Exactly. Realistically, if he wanted to, he can keep winding him up like Silly Putty. Yeah. Forever and ever and ever. It will hurt him, but it will not. yeah It was starting to rip his suit because it could only stretch so much. like Why don't you have a suit that does not stretch as long? I mean, here's the thing. hes Here's the but good part about... like Marvel and I guess super it's all the alternate world things. Yeah, there's like hey some re-witchers and some last minute or what's this new brand name? Dr. Fantastic.
00:19:17
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Some Dr. Fantastics aren't as strong as other the doctor or Dr. Strange. No, Dr. Strange is the wizard. being no Dr. Fantastic. Yeah, Dr. Fantastic. what's his? That's what I'm saying. Mr. Fantastic. what it so you have Human Torch, Visible Woman, The Thing.
00:19:30
Speaker
And what is Reed Richard? Oh, it's Mr. Fantastic. He's a doctor, but it's just Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Fantastic. that's where I was getting confused. Sorry. Yeah, Mr. Fantastic it's just might not be this strong in this universe, which is completely fine. Which is fair. I mean, it's 828. Yeah, yeah that and the thing can weird. Who knew? a finger Yeah, which looked really good there Johnny was like might be cool and he does it I was like i was like that's gonna look dumb and I was like actually But like like this big tumor it's just a fake fucking yeah place but like it's like
00:20:02
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It works with the rest of the body. He has a shave. I do like... Which means his molecular is all rock, man. There's nothing... Yeah, which is... I don't know. His organs... I mean, it's still complex. You don't look too deep into it. But he has normal eyes. Yeah, exactly. So,
00:20:19
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you know who fucking knows um we're not scientists so it doesn't matter it's about what looks good and he looked good and he did look good uh with and without the beard he looked yeah no i think the best part of first steps was going to galactus yes and then getting back home yes i think that was probably the apex oh yeah they that all looked really good because they did they're like okay we're gonna like faster than light like and they did it in a way um thanks to we have that scene in that moment and the way that all looked thanks to interstellar because uh they did all the research to like visualize it like at interstellar so hard uh disney was like oh okay cool like we know how to do it now kind of a thing and so like because they when they went faster than light it like opened up
00:21:04
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the like wormhole like the spherical wormhole just that's in like interstellar and stuff so i was like that's i was like yeah this looks awesome because interstellar did already uh walked so they could run kind of a thing um and uh but then they went to a black hole and stuff and i was like it's very interstellar and that's one of my favorite movies so i mean i was like yeah i love this scene but i did think it was cool um that uh Like, she that's when she had the baby.
00:21:30
Speaker
Like, because I was like, I was i get i thought that was going to be, like, one of the last things that happened. Like, when as soon as Galactus was like, give me that baby and I'll save you all. And she was immediately, like, went into, which obviously he did in some way because he looked her right in the eyes with his actual pupils and stuff. And, like, um...
00:21:49
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So i I feel like he initiated that in some
Creative Childbirth Scene in Space
00:21:52
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way and stuff. But um like she started being like, oh, he like this baby is on the way like right now. i was like, oh, shit, this baby is going to be born like in the next 10 minutes. like I thought and we have like so much time to go. i was I was surprised by that. And it was cool um because like i know like there were some smart things, especially like the I would say Petro Pasco did and the writing did.
00:22:14
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it's like so he's like hey um she's have to have this baby and we're gonna deliver right now and like he like pressed her against the top of oh yeah which makes sense yeah to be honest like to be honest don't think a baby can be born in space even with like the best technology fucking now but it was still it was still hey you gotta think about this even more even a world like hey you give me some type of thought of what's happening yeah it was cool because he was like we have to strap her down and johnny's like strapping her down and she's like don't fucking touch me like don't strap me down he's like all right not strapping you down like the thing it's probably one of my favorite parts of um first steps is i think the thing's better character and first steps than it is and rather silver server oh the thing at least the thing part oh the thing was much more interesting much more complex much more of an actual character very much like he was very anti it's clobbering time you And Raza the Silver Surfer is like, hey, the only woman who can date me is a blind woman. Yeah, exactly. It's very much like, again, like a caricature. He's like, yep, I'm a big rock man. i like to like clobber. He's the pilot. He's the pilot. Yeah, exactly. But you still have to be a fucking genius to pilot a fucking spacecraft. And I will say this. They all felt more smart or smarter in First Steps than they did. And Reed Richards felt more smart in Raza the Silver Surfer because I think very...
00:23:30
Speaker
creative how he got the surfer to dismalage from his board. Yeah, that was cool. And Rides the Silver Surfer, but not so much in... um First steps. Exactly. All the other, like, the thing... Johnny was little one-dimensional. mean, he's just Johnny. I mean, he makes fire. and Yeah. And Sue Storm was... God dear, to be honest.
00:23:49
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Strongest character. Second strongest character. In 812 or 821? 828. 828. 828. 828 universe. um Yeah. I don't know. i I can definitely say this is definitely the best Fantastic Four movie we've
'First Steps': A Fresh Installment
00:24:04
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ever had. I agree with that. There's no doubt about that. I agree with that. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. No, no, no.
00:24:08
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Absolutely not. It was fresh. I would say it was very fresh. It did feel fresh. Because I was, ah when I watched, I was finishing up Rise of the Silver Surfer last night, or like I was halfway through, I was like, i was like oh shit, like I haven't seen Thunderbolts yet. like Do I need to see this? And I googled it, and I saw multiple people being like, ah being like no, it's a completely different world.
00:24:30
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you don't you don't have to go out of your way to see Thunderbolts to see First Steps. Like, it'll be fine. I still haven't seen Thunderbolts. Crazy. I haven't either. I really wanted to see it in theaters. I've heard it's very fun. yeah its And it's like a fresh kind of a vibe. Exactly. Especially because it's like very grounded superheroes. Yeah, exactly. It's people who were doing shitty stuff and like none of them really actually have powers they just have tech or like the serum uh for um us agent you know like and stuff like they're all pretty normal people and stuff which is nice uh and i think i'm excited to see it uh whenever it is but um real quick then we'll talk about silver the silver surfer stuff more specifically uh we gotta talk about that mid-credit scene yes how the fuck
00:25:18
Speaker
Is Doctor Doom there?
Mid-Credit Scene and Doctor Doom Speculation
00:25:21
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Well, Doctor Doom is Fantastic Four villain. I know, but... it's just like doesn't show that it's that or Doctor Doom. I know, but like that's what... like guess or even a Robert Downey Jr. I would assume... I would assume... I guess that's what I'm saying. is like what What Doctor Doom is that?
00:25:38
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um How did he get in there? Which makes sense. It i me makes sense why Tony Stark is thomas Doctor Doom. Oh, yeah. i mean i As soon as they were like... ah ah They were like Robert Downey Jr. is going to be playing Doctor Doom going forward. It's like, well, they've already opened up the ah multiverse thing. So, like, of course, you know, like, of course he can.
00:25:59
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And I think he'll do a good job. Like, it'll be fine. But... um Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, what is he doing and why is he why is the the kid so like, what's up, dude? He knows how he knows who knows how smart he is, too.
00:26:13
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Doctor Doom is one he I think, most grounded but smartest villains in the Marvel Universe. i mean At least planetary-wise, I would say. I mean, that's fair, but I'm just like...
00:26:24
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I just really want to know. It's gotten me excited because you know then it says like Fantastic Four will be in Avengers Doomsday and everything like that. And I'm like, I don't know. I just want to know what what that means. And I haven't felt like that after a Marvel movie in a minute. Where I've been like, oh, this mid-credits scene actually feels like it fucking matters. Because the Eternals one, like that was irrelevant. The one with ah Thor where Hercules shows up, that's irrelevant. It doesn't make any sense either. It doesn't make yeah they don't make any sense. You could have Hercules in this movie and then it's completely fine. Exactly. like That's not the biggest character to be like, ooh, okay.
00:27:00
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That's what I'm saying. Like, i was excited because I like the actor, you know? ah He's the, one of the guys, he's Roy and Ted Lasso, and I was like, oh, he'll be good. Like, he'll probably be good in that role, but, like, it's probably not going to happen. Like, and it doesn't matter. So, like, this one was like, oh, this is actually relevant. Like, you know? how in visually is so I don't know what they'll be running from or why they do it.
Potential Multiverse Implications
00:27:20
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Yeah.
00:27:21
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Reed Richards teleports. Yeah. his earth into their into like the like sacred timeline is what it is that's what it's called which is very fucked I mean not really that much actually it would be because at the end of the movie now all the people are back in on earth how can you how do you just ship six characters and Instead shipping the whole universe. I guess they would have to do that. Somehow they get him, the family, Reed Richards, and Doctor Doom teleport themselves to Oh, talking about the Fantastic Four, Franklin, and Doctor Doom. Yes. and stuff
00:28:00
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I mean, it could be like they're fighting him or something. And they just get transported. Or Doctor Doom does it. But how does that... What's the next movie that gets them there? Because I just don't see one. Well, because it said...
00:28:12
Speaker
They'll be back in Avengers Doomsday. So it's going to be something... Doomsday just starts in that universe. I guess? And then it eventually gets in our universe. Yeah, because they did... ah Because, God, they did that whole thing where they had, ah like, oh, yeah, we're filming for Doomsday. And it had, like, the the chair the director chairs, like, with all the different, like, people that are going to be in it.
00:28:33
Speaker
which means the Even for our matter, too. There's another question, then. How are... Where's our Reed Richards and where's our Fantastic Four for our universe? Well, we don't have any because even in um um Multiverse of Madness, um right? It's Multiverse of Madness? Yeah. that we It's ah the John Krasinski one. like that's That also wasn't our universe. Exactly. We had to have one. There has to be a...
00:29:00
Speaker
a fantastic four in every universe you would unless they died on their first unless unless it's that yeah unless it's the universe where the cosmic rays didn't turn them into the fantastic four just killed them yeah exactly so and yeah exactly like uh like uh rick potion number nine low rick and morty episode they just like okay yeah these ones died and now these ones are here kind of a thing um I feel like that's the only thing that makes sense.
00:29:23
Speaker
I think the biggest... We won't have a super big update on it until ah um the new Spider-Man next year. I think that one's going to end. The cut so credit scene in that is going to be...
00:29:37
Speaker
Cause I don't know what else is coming before. wonder who the villain is. I don't know. Cause it's going to be a street level crime. Like he's like starting from scratch. He's not saving the world. He's the idea. He's like just doing like petty crime shit. Like basically the origin story stuff without giving him an origin story.
00:29:54
Speaker
Um, I'm thinking the post-credit scene, mid-credit scene, whatever, is going to have to be, he sees Doctor Doom and he sees that it's Tony Stark's face. And like that's what leads into whatever the next in song.
00:30:07
Speaker
Because I don't know, what what is, do you know, and like we can look it up too, what is, because as far as I know, all I know is next for Marvel, Spider-Man, and then Doomsday.
Upcoming Marvel Releases and Franchise Impact
00:30:19
Speaker
Like, are there other ones in between that I'm not thinking of? You know what I mean? like look Like, we need to look that up because i can't think of where else they would be able to bring in Doctor Doom until it's just Doomsday.
00:30:36
Speaker
Let's see. Marvel movie timeline. You think that'll work?
00:30:49
Speaker
Nope, that's not good.
00:30:57
Speaker
ah Are you finding anything? I'm sorry. I got into a text message. Oh, God. Alright, Wikipedia. This dead air is great.
00:31:10
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Bear with us, y'all.
00:31:14
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Okay, here we go.
00:31:17
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Updated August 2025 in phase in face
00:31:23
Speaker
Okay, so Eyes of Wakanda animated series. That's not what i'm looking for for. Marvel Zombies. That's cool. It is Spider-Man New Day. That's the next big installment. Okay, yeah. Brand New Day. We have almost a year.
00:31:34
Speaker
for And then it's Avengers Doom Day in 2026. Yeah, there is as of right now. So it comes out that same year. So yeah, i yeah it's Spider-Man. So Dr. Doom is going to have to show up in Brand New Day in some capacity to shock...
00:31:50
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ah um Spider-Man.
00:31:55
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Which I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that that's the goal is to like we're going to have Robert Downey Jr. play Doctor Doom to fuck with um Peter Parker Spider-Man kind of a thing.
00:32:08
Speaker
You know i mean? Like I think it's fine. I'm just curious to see. Yeah, so Ronald Tomil says while many speculately the film will continue in no way into our multiverse's focus we think it concerns itself with a hero trying to reestablish his cred in street life.
00:32:21
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while filled with Punishers and Daredevils, while also dealing with some more basic suit. They also said that, um...
00:32:30
Speaker
This movie is going to have Punisher in it and the Hulk. Yeah, the Punisher and the Hulk are both confirmed to be in this. Yes. Which I'm always excited for Jon Barenthal's Punisher. It's going to so funny seeing Peter and Tom Cruise interact with Mark Ruffalo. Tom Cruise?
00:32:48
Speaker
Not Tom Cruise, Tom Holland. Tom Holland to holley interact with um the Hulk, his character. He's like, hey, Hulk. He's like... I don't know. yeah. My bad. Yeah. He's gonna like Dr. Banner.
00:33:01
Speaker
They have to make jokes about that. Oh, for sure. He's being depressed and shit about it. Oh yeah. they Like, well, was my favorite thing about, uh, no way home. was the very end when he moves into that shitty ass apartment. yeah i was like, that's awesome. Like, this is going to be so cool. That's what the St. Rainey films did so well.
00:33:20
Speaker
His apartment looked like shit. It's New York. It was expensive as hell. It's a Superman thing. How's this condo that nice as a reporter? Yeah, exactly. That's fair. you know justs like You're not making that much money and your mama and daddy in Kansas ain't giving you that type of money either. That was a big gripe about that movie. Yeah, it was kind of weird. So, i don't know. It'll be very interesting what the Marvel Universe does. I don't know.
00:33:47
Speaker
don't know. I'm not really like have too much hopes to be honest. I think they're doing smart by like making less movies. Yeah. That would be great. I mean, to be honest, I'm like, to be honest, um a whole year for movie not to come out. Yeah. It's kind of wild. probably It's kind of wild. Yeah.
00:34:01
Speaker
But I mean, I guess there is, they're stocking up for two big, there, I think it's gonna be a big reset Doomsday. Yeah. I think Doomsday is like the big Marvel reset where they'll recast a lot of characters. Oh yeah, for sure.
00:34:11
Speaker
And, um, they'll just be different in their own universes, which is, I think be fun. to be honest especially like we're running of characters at this point yeah use that are at least box worthy yeah yeah at some point and this is a bad problem and i don't know forgot who said it I think was like Harrison Ford said the Marvel Universe will never last last true some movies because eventually they can only rewrite their characters in certain are ways and they yeah they are correct I mean yeah dude I think superhero films will ever not exist hell no no of course not ah so just but there's literally so many comic book
00:34:46
Speaker
base things like uh the kingsman yes i did i loved that movie and i didn't know it was a comic book until the very end when the credits rolled and it said based on the comic and i was like oh and i can see that but like then i know it was a comic girl yeah exactly i had no idea and i was like oh that makes sense why the fight scenes looked like that because they were very comic booky and like over the top like at first i was like that's kind of annoying and weird looking but then i was like oh wait no no that's fine they did a really good job making it look like you're reading a comic actually never mind that makes sense uh kind of a thing so i don't know we'll see first steps i think is some great first steps into uh into phase six whatever that's even supposed to mean at this point um
00:35:30
Speaker
Now, let's talk about Silver Surfers comparatively.
Character Analysis: Silver Surfer
00:35:34
Speaker
Let's get back to these two movies real quick. I was very skeptical, and this is sounds shitty, the female Silver Surfer. But that's like a thing. It is a thing. And I was just very as very skeptical about it.
00:35:46
Speaker
I very much enjoyed it. Yeah, she's an incredible actress. I think she was more... Her presence was felt more yeah than in the Rise of the Silver Surfers. Well, she was like...
00:35:58
Speaker
human airline not human but like Relatable like from the get-go very much, you know, and like this one and rise of the silver surfer it was like just like scary and like, Oh, like the entire time. And they don't find out till like way into the movie that like, Oh, I'm just the Harold. I'm just the messenger telling you guys to get ready. Cause you're about to be fucked.
00:36:19
Speaker
Like that was like, as soon as she showed up, she was like, she says that I Harold this, that, and that was gas. Um, and Johnny goes and talks to her and like, says like that phrase, whatever the phrase is, uh, can't remember off the my head right now, but, um,
00:36:35
Speaker
Yeah, and she was just like more relatable, and her struggle made more sense. Because Sue Storm in Rise the Silver Surfer talks to him, and he's like, oh yeah, like I don't really love doing this, but I kind of had to, and stuff. And it was like, oh, okay.
00:36:51
Speaker
And this one, it was like more of like a oh no like you know what i mean like it was it was i thought it was written better like the like tragic backstory of the silver surfer uh and then of course in both they come at the end of the day and like help herbo save the day and stuff with the help of the flaming torch and stuff so i would like johnny storm to be like go to be like what to go i mean that sacrifice was gonna be he oh it's such an ice scene he tell richie well not tell richard but tell uh what is his name is franklin don tell franklin tell franklin that's how i love him and she goes and then she's just like knocks him off and stares at him yeah yeah yeah him learning the language was probably the coolest part about his character yeah again like his character was actually fucking smart they are put on bottom Which is like that such a vibe The aesthetic was amazing but like not put it on their electronic wristband Retrofuturism, it's like it's like yeah, there's wristbands where you guys can communicate but like music's never gonna get better than this and he learns this fucking language and yeah, and months time as fuck a while yeah, which is I
00:37:58
Speaker
can't even send me that Rosetta Stone link yeah exactly where's the link dude um but yeah i just thought the Silver Surfer was uh better written in this one yes very because even when he's like oh this is my name and stuff he's just so monotone and like like there was a more emotionality to her and i liked that which i mean he usually is pretty like stone-faced right like i don't know silver surfer as much yes kind wise well yes perma stone-faced perma is very monologue um very hey you know how talk to me i'm just gonna talk to you and yeah i'm just like yeah i'm gonna tell you something and then i'm gonna yeah then i'm gone um
00:38:41
Speaker
I enjoyed it, um to be honest. Especially, I was talking about this earlier. I guess we were the first podcast. It's hard to tell. But I like the way that the scenes, the Silver Surfer scenes, when she's riding the lava and everything else a lot more, whereas in the Rise of the Silver Surfer, it's just very linear. He takes a couple hard cuts, but that's bad. Exactly. Where she was like...
00:39:05
Speaker
or She was actually surfing. yeah And exactly in when she was like going to destroy each beacon from the in the what's called first steps, it was boom, boom, boom, boom. boom and like She did all this shit within 15, 20 seconds yeah for them to get outside and for them to stop her doing that. Yeah, it was awesome. Which was probably coolest part, to be honest, because then he uses all his little technology and shit. Yeah, yeah, gets the broadcast going and everything. yeah like he Again, besides being...
00:39:32
Speaker
able to fly and being flames. Cause they're all smart. He was doing shit. He was doing smart. so They're all astronauts. oh yeah They did. They did brush him off, you know, cause they were like, he was like, I have a huge breakthrough and they're like, okay, well we're about to transport the whole planet and this is the only way. So like they brush him off, which is pretty standard, like par for the course for the dynamic.
00:39:53
Speaker
Um, but But then he's like, okay, they're like, oh, lock it down. Like, we're fucked. And then they're like, where'd he go? And he's like, I know this is the right thing to do. And he goes and does it. Like, you know what I mean?
Johnny Storm's Intelligence and Initiative
00:40:03
Speaker
Like, ask for forgiveness, not permission, which again is very Johnny Storm. Also, like, trying to get a bitch's number just by learning her language is fucking solid. very Pretty wild. And just happen to save the world while doing it. Yeah, also he's saving the world. But, it's still fucking crazy. Yeah, but I mean, hey, but, like, yeah, Rise of the Silver Surfer, like,
00:40:22
Speaker
ah The big credit scene for that was he didn't die, ah but we don't know about her. no but We know about her in this one. And obviously Galactus can't. need not He's not gone. He's just in a different part of the world. So I guess... I don't know. Both of them are.
00:40:35
Speaker
Yeah, both of them are still alive in a different part of the universe, but... i mean if he Did he just immediately grab her and squish her? The interesting part about that, i mean if we see this version of Galactus again, which I hope we do, i to be to be honest, yeah um which ah or some version of this Galactus, at least. Well, it can't be Jonathan Majors anymore. me exactly That's Kang.
00:40:59
Speaker
But, like, Kang is the name of Galactus. Isn't he? No, Kang and Galactus are two characters. Kang is a time-traveling conqueror. I thought that was the whole point was that he was like, he you must not, like he at him at the end of time in Loki, and they but but that's also Kang. That's all causes. who's also like Who's also Galactus in some area. Oh, okay. Two different characters. Much as I fucking know.
00:41:25
Speaker
Which is cool because Jonathan Majors might come back, to be honest. I think it'd be a very interesting part. We'll see. The charges have been dropped and the girl was lying. It's fair. know. but you know you know dis all is all therere They wash their hands of it. it's hard they' They're not quick to bring people back for stuff. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. i see well I didn't even need to bring it up. Or, i mean, to be on or to be honest, like, at the end Doomsday, it's just a reset of everything. They just recast him, to be honest. Because Kang is not, it' it's not worth wasting the that character, to be honest. Especially because if that would have the next thing, which it should be at the Doomsday, to be honest, Kang would be probably the coolest part.
00:42:02
Speaker
Yeah. I would say. um I'm very weary, and i will say if we go talk about anything else besides Dibs A, have a hot Robert Downey Jr. plays. I hope he plays it completely different. I don't want to see any traces of Iron Man.
00:42:15
Speaker
i think, I mean, he's talented enough. Like, I think he'll be Because that character's so different from Iron Man. Oh, God, yeah. To be honest, like, so different. Yeah, both super smart in their own ways, but not even... One's very... much
00:42:33
Speaker
Evil, how would just say. Yeah, straight up evil. And Iron Man has his vices, but Yeah, he has his
Conclusion: 'First Steps' vs. 'Silver Surfer'
00:42:40
Speaker
issues. He was never a perfect man. Exactly, but he still wants to do good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, excuse me. Sorry. Uh, and, uh, and, uh, get the demons out. Get the evil out, dude. Bless up. Or, hey, get those demons in, Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, that's what we need from Robert Downey Jr., actually, so. No more, no more sneezing. I need him to fuck up Franklin Richards, dude. Do some, yeah, strange cosmic energy and then do some really fucked up shit. Yeah, exactly. That'd be awesome. That'd be really cool. Um,
00:43:09
Speaker
Yeah, well, honestly, I don't think I have much more else to say about these two movies. I enjoy First Steps a lot more than I enjoy Robert Silver Surfer. And First Steps is just overall a much better movie. Very fair much so. And also, there's different times, too. I mean, you almost got 20 years difference. I mean, yeah, that's fair. So I will say that. And if they had...
00:43:29
Speaker
all the resources maybe i would like i like this cast and i will say that about rise of surfer i do like that cast yeah which is fair is it's a decent cast which is the writing i just i and which means i i like first steps cast a lot too i just i um i'm more nostalgia to high yeah that's fair again jessica alba was one of my first crushes now i have a current crush on vanessa kirby again like you know talking you know Talking about all the Mission Impossible movies and stuff. like It's been a heavy ah Vanessa Kirby movie for me. Or a year for me. This year.
00:44:02
Speaker
um Yeah, i don't I don't think there's much else to talk about. One my students oh one last thing. they're gonna find it Oh, God.
00:44:13
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um
00:44:15
Speaker
Before we end. no. Just to end the pod. Oh, they don't have them. You can't see Dang it. I was show you fire titties. Oh my god. I watched the movie. They're not. They're there. can see the outline of them. You can see the outline of them in her wedding dress at the beginning of the movie. It's there.
00:44:39
Speaker
Bye So Justin likes Rise the Silver Surfer more because of that. Justin likes fire titties. Fire titties. Great. Bye guys. Bye. Follow on social media. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know what to do. Bye guys.