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Mission Impossible 3 and 4 with Justin Hendrick
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We are back with more Mission Impossible! We get to hear Justin talk about what he says is his fav of the entire franchise and more!
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Introduction to 'Bad Movie Debate'
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um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on. Something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie ja Debate.
Mission Impossible 3 & 4 Discussion Begins
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What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Babb, here for a Bad Movie Debate. Once again, we got Justin Hendrick. Once again, it is now time to talk about Mission Impossible 3 4, which...
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We had both said, yeah, 4 is Rogue Nation last week, and that is not the case. It is Ghost Protocol, which I was disappointed by, because when I when i went to watch them, I was like, shit, I got it wrong, but it's fine. i mean, it's fine. I think like these next four are the best four.
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The next run is insane, though, yeah, because that means it's Rogue Nation, Fallout, ah but what is it, Dead Reckoning, and then it'll be the final Reckoning. It's going to be just a crazy good run no matter what at
Ethan Hunt in Mission Impossible 3
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this point. So I think it'll be fine. And I'll just have to wait until next week to watch one of my favorite ones.
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ah But Mission Impossible 3 is your favorite one. It's my it's my favorite one. yeah I think this is the best one. It's the one I feel the most attached to Eden, i would say.
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the more The most attached to Ethan. Yeah, like he's grounded. You think it's because the whole plot is like he's, it's because he thinks he fucked up. Like he sent somebody who shouldn't have been sent out. Yeah, exactly. And because he, because he retires. He he retires and he's just training. He's just, he's just training. And that was the first girl he sent out into the field. his first person that he approved. Like you're ready for active field duty. And to be honest, the reason, um, I forgot her name. The blonde girl's character who he trained. Um, Oh, uh, um,
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I gained it. Oh my god. i pulled i just watched both of these back to back, but that was the first one, so now I can't remember. Lindsay. Yeah, Lindsay. The reason Lindsay dies is not because of Tom Cruise or Lindsay.
Dramatic Moments and Sound Design
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It's because of the Asian girl who falls off the airplane me out the helicopter yeah and Tom Cruise has to save her. He has to stop to save her.
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And they also like didn't get the defibrillator going like yeah early. Oh, it's going to take 30 seconds. Oh, okay, great. Cool, let's just do this hey when I notice nothing else I'm going to Yeah, and then it's like, what? It takes like... It's like four seconds left. Yes. I will say when that shit pops off, like that thing goes off. Exactly. it's freak It's one of the most graphic like deaths like you see. and because like yeah You can't feel it, but but you can mean you can't see it, but you can feel it. You can definitely feel it. The ah the sound design in that moment is crazy. yes because I was watching it.
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Austin was at work. like You were at work. I was watching them both today um and prep. I was just like quietly watching them. I was like, fuck. You want to know what I realized? to know why, probably? And why this one's so good? J.J. Abrams directed this one.
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And yeah the villain, to be honest, Philip Seymour
Villain Portrayal and Plot Summary
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Hoffman. Yes. Dude, remembered he was in the movie. I forgot how fucking good he was. He's great villain, dude. He's so fucking good. doesn't really do much besides kill Lindsay. Yeah.
00:03:07
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yeah that's all That's all he really does. I mean, he's like out there like handling money and shit. and like i mean like you know like Obviously, that's we'll get to what the um the whole... Oh my god. um only I can only remember stuff from Ghost Protocol right now. The...
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the ah The thing that they're getting, the device. Oh, the monkey's paw? No, it's something like that. That's why it's rabbit's foot. Rabbit's Rabbit's foot. I knew something like that. was thinking monkey's paw too, but I was like, no, that's Jordan Peele's production company. That's not right. It's related to movies.
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um But yeah, that was kind of crazy. that's That's really all he did was like he killed her. Well, then he killed his guard, ah his head of security, dressed up as the wife or whatever.
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um Which also, the way this movie starts with that like end of the movie scene, i was it that was intense. that yeah I was like, holy shit, we're just getting real right in The whole movie and I don't... So far, the four I've watched, three was the, I felt like, quickest.
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Yeah, that one flew by. Yeah, it flew by because it's just one of the and they play the mask really well. And to be honest, like I said, he just leaves a good
Ethan's Personal Life and Character Development
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voicemail. And I've never seen an actor who can leave a voicemail like him. Because I don't think he really talks that much on scene besides when they have him in the airplane...
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Phillips, he won't hop him. Yes. Oh, yeah. And at the very end. Yeah. Everything else is like a voicemail some type of message he's leaving for. Yeah, like calling and stuff. Yes.
00:04:45
Speaker
That is interesting. Yeah. but I mean, it. Huh. I guess there's well there's the parts where where he has the mask on, yes and that's Philip Seymour Hoffman. As far as him as a villain. Yeah, him being like his actual character. um And Ethan's grounded. He has a wife. he And I think it's only thing that from watching 2, 3 pretty quickly, i will say, is that There was no real love interest in whial in the first one. The first one, that the weird triangle with the old dude, and they're both evil anyway. like Yeah, it's kind of whatever.
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The second one was way too much. Way too intense. Way too intense. Way
Box Office Performance and Audience Reception
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too sexy. Way too trying to be James Bond. The third the third one dials it back to where it feels to me... It's grounded. Yes, yeah. feels to me like...
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She's an important character. know who she is. yeah we actually know which They actually love each other. Not just like, oh, we you know bang good. So we were really infatuated. He was giving it up all. He was giving it up all. But I think the second one is love interest. say found out that there one I think like this is the last time that he has a love interest.
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Well, because at the end of the fourth one, we find out... At the end the fourth one, we find out... At Ghost Protocol, we find out Jeremy Renner didn't fuck up. yeah She did not die. Yes. That was favorite scene. I will say the fourth one, that is one of my favorite scenes. The very end? Yes. Yeah. It's pretty sweet.
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it's It's pretty... yeah It's actually pretty great. Ghost Protocol, it's better than I remembered it. Because I know I like Rogue Nation more, but Ghost Protocol is still pretty fucking good. But that scene only lands because of the third one. Yeah, yeah exactly. It's all built into it. and ah because the So the first the the second one came out 2000. Three came out 2006.
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So they waited. It would took them six years to get ready to come back. um Which, you know, it was a bummer because I mean, they made money. It only cost only. it was 150 to and it made 398. So I've made money, but that is the lowest amount of grossing. Yeah. Of gross, uh, worldwide gross, uh, for any of them.
Spy Team and Ensemble Cast
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Um, which I mean, it does make sense. Cause it went from one was, uh, 457, two was five
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And then six years later, they're like, hey, Mission Impossible 3 is coming out. people were probably like, God, who gives a shit? Not another one of these. Who gives a shit? Like, exactly. That's my thought on it. is like People were like, who cares? I bet 4 the first one that passes probably a billion.
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Nope. does none of them ah None of them cross a billion. What? like Altogether, they've made $4 billion. Okay, so $500 million apiece. Yeah. little bit more than that. Rogue, or not Rogue Nation. Um...
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fucking ghost protocol ah made 694 like so like three oh almost $300,000 more because they got back to form yes and people were ready to do it. it watch okay they They figured it out.
00:07:47
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you know They had a sophomore slump and now we're good. I think 4 was the first one i saw in theaters to be honest. first one I saw in theaters was Fallout which we'll talk more about next time. The best thing that 3 does that 3 has on every single other one of them yeah to me has the best like cast. the best um How would I say this?
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Um... Spy Team. Yeah, the best ensemble. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one is really dope because you got... Okay, so you have Luther in there. You got Simon Pegg first time. You finally get Benji. Yeah, and he's like not in the field. He gets in the field in the fourth one in a a Ghost Protocol.
00:08:23
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Um... So we have Benji. Luther's there, obviously. And then you have the Asian woman. And then the like Scottish dude? Irish dude?
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Something like that? Can't remember their names. They were not very... They were good a good team, and it was cool, everything they did. But they were pretty... like I mean, literally no name characters because I can't remember what their names are.
00:08:47
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That's not true. Aaron Paul's in this one? Yeah, he's ah um um Rick. He says Rick Meade. Who is Hold on. Hold on. What's the wife's name? um It's her brother.
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oh that's her yeah arun poe long hair dude yeah with like longer hair yeah wow it's pretty wild actually um also i have a theory you had your theory about uh you do you have the stats on how many times they say mission and or impossible i have them until i forgot okay so the third one i have Look those up real quick because I have a new theory. I think every time his hair is long, it's not as good of a movie.
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Because in the second one, he had Tom Cruise had longer hair, the worst one. The fourth one, not as good as three, but better than the second one, but he has longer hair.
Action Scenes and Themes
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The first and third, he has shorter hair. He has like short hair.
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Hmm. Yeah, and all the I'm pretty sure all the rest of them he has mostly long ah short hair, and all the rest of them are great. So I noticed that about halfway through ah a Ghost Protocol. I was like, wait a minute.
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His fucking hair is longer, just like it was in two. Three. That's bold. Mission and Impossible are stated 27 times. And ah number three? That was number three, yeah. Yeah, okay.
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And four. Give me one second. I mean, so far it's holding true.
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It's 14. fourteen Okay. So it is holding true though. Because they said it more one than two. Yes. And they said it more in three than four. And I think three is better than four.
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But they do say it more. One's still number one. One's still number one by law. i don't think anyone will be number one, to be honest. No, but I mean, in the in um this last one, in a Ghost Protocol, he does say mission accomplished yeah which is funny though because at that ending scene that you like so much uh in that one luther gives him shit and he's like you really said that you're corny as hell yeah you're still corny as hell ethan like what the fuck i was like okay i forgive him now because he's like because like immediately luther is like why that's dumb i don't know why luther wasn't in for but i give him a little credit they very i feel like it's one of those like
00:11:00
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like scheduling conflict kind of a thing yeah and they were like okay cool we'll work around it and then they were like they were able to get him for like one day of shooting to like shoot yeah that final scene because they're like we gotta have him yeah he's gotta be because when they didn't present like with our during the opening credits it didn't say um his name and I was like the fuck then like I forgot about the ending scene because moving all he's not in all of them ah he's in he's definitely in Fallout is he in Rogue Nation?
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I'm looking up right now. Because ah I know he's in Fallout and he's definitely in the last two. He's in the Dead Reckoning, right? Yes. then he's going to definitely be in the next one.
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There's no doubt about that. Let's see Rogue Nation.
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bump bump bu Yep, he's in Rogue Nation. So he's in all them. At least a little bit. He's been in every film. Yeah, he's in every single one. He's in every single one.
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Good for him. Oh, God. i just can't wait for Rogue Nation, because that's when we get Rebecca Ferguson in there, too. And she's so fucking good. right. Well, we'll get to that. yeah so like a like up So, number three.
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um
Iconic Running Scenes and Mysteries
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I think this one is good because J.J. Abrams directed it, so like that obviously makes it just great instantly. ah Better than two by a long shot. He also wrote it with two other guys who have a lot of credits under their names. They're like they're not like you know it's like Christopher Nolan, like a big name ah big name guys, but they did a lot of big name stuff, like producing and like writing on stuff. I was kind of looking and stuff, but I was like, okay, J.J. Abrams directed and helped write this script. like Yeah, absolutely.
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It's going to be good. And then the fourth one, um Bad Robot, ah that's his production company. So he produced the hell out of the and of that one. He didn't write it.
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Speaker
I don't think he directed that one. but um So he was all up involved in that one, too. So it makes sense that they're getting better. yes you know What do you think the best thing about number three is? like why You said it's grounded.
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Yes, these are different people. no That was Brad Bird that did this one. But J.J. yeah and Tom Cruise produced it. He might go on to produce the rest of them. Anyway, what's the best one? Or the best part of this one?
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I'm trying to think. Because the movie starts with that scene and then meet Ethan immediately goes to... Capture phil c see o' see a c whatever Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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Speaker
What's his actual character name? like Oh, it's a like Davian or something like that. That's three. That's four. It's Owen.
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Davian. Davian. Yeah. Yeah. um Maybe they go pick him up. They they they lose him. And then the part where Ethan's breaking out and the guy. Also, is another thing, too. um But my favorite part is Ethan breaking out and then him just running. That again? Yes. Yeah. Yes.
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yeah The Vatican's four. The three is when he's leaving. um no three is the Vatican. Three is the Vatican. ist The four is when he's running ah with the sandstorm. At the at what's called yeah Dubai. yes yeah yeah yeah because I did take note. I was like, Justin's going to mention the running in this one. so The running in three, though. running four was phenomenal. The running in four is amazing. The running in number three, though.
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when he's running to get to ah ah his wife yes at the end, and they're like, it's like they're ostensibly, like the camera's like ostensibly like on the water, and he's like running, and it's like he's like running to the left and stuff.
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I don't know the way it was shot. I don't know. Like, it almost looked like sped up. Yeah. But like, also, he does run like a motherfucker. He does. So I was like, is actually, like, he just looked, I guess it was just the way, it was probably just the way it was shot.
00:14:57
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He looked like he was going so fucking fast. Yes. Like, it was insane. i'll take it back the last i get the like the last scene i would say the last fucking scene when ethan thinks his wife is dead on that whole scene and he has to break out then and he's getting benji on the phone but he's like yo the whole world he's like hey you gotta fucking leave leave me alone yeah benji's like stop hang up don't do this yeah um oh but the um The scene, that's probably another good scene about this one, too. When Ethan has to do the fulcrum from that one building to the other building, when he's trying to get the rabbit's paw or rabbit's foot. Yeah, my hands were drenched, dude. He's just falling out from the sky. He has get his parachute. He finally lands in the building, but then the wind current sucks him right back out of it. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah, that was...
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That whole thing, I kind of liked that we didn't see, we didn't take the time to go inside and, like, have him, like, do, like, a 20-minute, like, he's going to get it I like that it was just them outside being like, okay, where is he? Like, that was that was a cool way to do that.
00:16:00
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And it is funny when he's like, I can't get to the roof, and they're like, okay, so what are you going do? And he's like, look up. And he's like, bust through the window. And they're like, oh, fuck, that's not good. He's way too slow. That's great. But, like, yeah, the...
00:16:15
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Him doing the swinging thing ah in this one and
Ethan's Trials and Team Betrayals
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in Ghost Protocol yeah when he gets the like just random cable to get back down from the server room. Like, just, oh, God, my hands are swinging again. I get it. It's cool. it makes for good It makes for a good movie, action movie, but, like, God, it fucking makes my hands nervous. The only thing I like i really did not like about 3 in this whole thing is that we never found out what the rabbit's foot was. See, I was going to bring that up, too, because it's like...
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I don't know if I like it or if I hate it. yeah like Because it's like, it's not really like it really doesn't matter. It doesn't. i mean, but I still want to know. what it is especially because like they have a device where they bombs in people's head. You think that would be the fuck good? They're putting little bombs that will just obliterate your brain and not like shatter, like like not like a fucking Cronenberg like scanners explode your head.
00:17:07
Speaker
What the fuck is this? They're so scared of. That's just their everyday... like that's just their like every day like attack stuff like that's crazy also how are they doing that too like i don't fucking know i mean half the shit doesn't even it doesn't need to make sense it's not because they would say oh got this bomb in your head no hair straight off no skull no no no just fucking shoot it up your nose dude there's no way this happens That's how it goes the movie. He does it. He does it right before... Once we finally get back to that scene where Philip Seymour Hoffman is fucking terrified counting to ten. Yes. And stuff. The doctor, he's like, oh, good morning, and just shoots it up his nose, which...
00:17:50
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How does that... It doesn't make any sense. How does it not kill you? No, it should be instant death. You should be instantly dead. It's the same thing as just putting a gun to someone's nose and pulling the trigger. Well, okay, so I would say one of my favorite parts about this is I think you feel more grounded because everything happens wrong in this movie. Yeah. Things only work out the very end of Very end, yeah.
00:18:09
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And we didn't even know if Ethan was going to survive the movie, to be honest. Especially because he just fucking zolts his wife with a full house electricity. It's just fucking wild. And his nurse wife... plot nice yeah works out very well and she like shoots the bad guy oh yeah there's two things she she gets real good with that gun real fast yes but luther fucked up luther is the main one well because he's the one who ethan's name right on the plane luther luther does fuck him up and that's how davian gets his and his name that's and and that's all that's all exactly that's how the story changes um that's two if i was ethan hunt after the third time dude i would not trust my boss
00:18:45
Speaker
No, dude. Like, boss that happens on Milfinger, it's crooked. I thought, ah another reason why third one's so good, Lawrence Fishburne and ah whoever the actor is, i want to shout him out correctly, who plays Musgrave.
00:19:01
Speaker
Oh, my fucking God. They were so fucking good. That was, think was... Yeah, Billy Crudup? Crudup? Something like that? Yeah.
00:19:13
Speaker
They both towed the line so perfectly of which one's actually the bad guy which one's actually the good guy. And then found at the very end they're both bad. They're both not great. Well, Lawrence Fishburne was fine. Yes.
00:19:25
Speaker
He was fine, but he's he just like you know he's the director of the MIF and he's just like you know like just a hard ass. Yes. and stuff And he expects good results and stuff. And Musgrave just like...
00:19:36
Speaker
Because he does all this stuff to help him, and then at the very end he's like, yeah, man, but we've got to keep business booming, got get democracy any way we can all over the world. like That's crazy good. It's good for Mission Impossible because, and I was just thinking about this, we said it last pod, but this pod, another black character, not the villain. Yeah, not a villain.
00:19:55
Speaker
And now that I'm thinking about don't think they've ever been. I don't think they do that ever. Yeah, exactly. It's all white dudes. Yes. I wonder why. i wonder why that's the case. And Dave Bautista, the The sixth one? The sixth one? and Which one?
00:20:09
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Is that... No. Fallout? No, it's that's James Bond. Maybe... No, it's... Henry Cavill is a bad guy in that one. Yes. He's a he's a he's a good guy. ah He's a good guy. Oh, wait, no. He's a bad guy kind of guy in that one.
00:20:22
Speaker
Gosh, can't wait to talk more depth at... fucking when he punches punches his sleeve oh it's so fucking insane yeah the
Overall Assessment of Mission Impossible 3
00:20:29
Speaker
bathroom scenes we'll get to it it is it's so good i'm so excited for next week to watch these two um oh it's so fucking good um anyway um yeah ah that first scene with laurence fishburne uh It was so fucking funny. Honestly, he's such a good actor.
00:20:47
Speaker
And some of the lines he says, ah like he asked a rhetorical question and like ah Musgrave goes interrupt. He was like, don't interrupt me while I'm asking rhetorical questions. And he's like, he's like this. He's an invisible man. And before you get cute again, I'm talking Wells, not Ellis. It's like, it's like, that is. It's like, so fucking good. Like, that's such good writing. And like, just the way he's laying down the law. and like it But it also like implements like that thought of like, damn, this guy fucking sucks. like It's like, oh, of course he's a bad guy. It's like, nope, nope. Lindsay fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. Musgrave's like, fake, he's the bad guy thing.
00:21:24
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oh But I really liked Musgrave. Like, I forgot like that part of it like I knew Philip Seymour Hoffman had a thing. I mean, that's what it always is. Now that thinking about do you think... Maybe Davian already knew Ethan's identity.
00:21:39
Speaker
And then Musgraves told him that he had a I... Hmm...
00:21:46
Speaker
No, that's a very good question. Even just having the name Ethan for ghosts is pretty hard to find. Yeah, just having Ethan and he's a white guy. yes Yes. yeah Good lord. how you like yeah it Is that really... an I mean, I guess plot just kind of intervenes there again. yeah They don't have to. But like why, at the time... Because I do think Musgrave is definitely a classic. I mean, all the villains are usually pretty good in the... ah like They're like...
00:22:14
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background, like, their, like, motivations and stuff. Even if the movie, you know, is number two and it's just not good a good movie, but, like, ends justify the means. There's a lot of that kind of villain, which is a great villain.
00:22:25
Speaker
um And, like, Musgrave, like, you know, he Like, you could empathize with him because, like, he did like Ethan. he he wanted He didn't want Ethan to die, but, I mean, he'd do it if he had to. He didn't want his wife to die. he didn't want to kill his wife if he didn't have to and stuff, but he wanted to, you know, win and do what he wanted to do.
00:22:45
Speaker
And I felt like you could really feel that from Musgrave, you know? And so, like... They just do a good job, like, pulling the rug, being like, like, oh, of course, fucking, uh, Lawrence Fishburne is fucking evil and stuff. Like, he's such a hard ass, like, and he's the director, like, yep yeah, they're fucked from the get-go. it's like, nope, that's not the case. Like, Also, yeah, M.I.F. is just, like, a corrupt organization. Also, what for a secret agency, dude, they do really bad behind agents. Exactly, Like, they don't vet these guys. I mean, straight up, it's, it's, uh, it's the departed man, you know? Like, you got, you got to get a guy on the inside. Or it's like a
00:23:17
Speaker
You're going and you're doing and eventually you flip, you know, and you're already there. Like, it's like you were clean when you got in, but then you flip. Like, and I feel like, I feel like that's probably what it was with Musgrave. Also, what does the MIF stand for? We find out in the third one. a Mission Impossible Force.
00:23:33
Speaker
No, IMF. Yeah. IMF, right. Impossible Mission Force.
Visual Aesthetics in Ghost Protocol
00:23:38
Speaker
And I like how they poke at that too, because she's like... Seriously? And he's like, hey, everything I'm telling you is super classified. Don't laugh. You're not supposed to know this.
00:23:49
Speaker
I forgot that that's what it stands for. You fucking NPC. Not NPC, that's just why, dude. And we never see it again after the fourth one. Yeah, after the fourth one. You're right. ah We just barely see her in the fourth one.
00:24:03
Speaker
Yeah, so I think the third one is definitely the best one we've watched so far. But I think... ah And then I think right now I'm at ah three is number one Number one is two.
00:24:15
Speaker
Then Rogue Nation. And then two at the bottom. Out of the four. Same. That's exactly where I'm at right now. Because I really can't think... I can't really think of anything wrong with the third one because like when they, they're the Vatican plan, like when they sneak in and stuff, it was just fucking awesome.
00:24:31
Speaker
Um, all of their little quips, like when she's like, he's like, okay, blow up the car. And she's like, that's such a nice car. And he's like, yeah, well do it. And then they blow up. Like, i don't know, like all those like cheeky kind of things, like,
00:24:42
Speaker
really just worked because like the chemistry of the casting like you said the casting is incredible they all just worked really well together and um the plot but actually made some kind of sense like it felt like the look here at that felt indispensable and i don't think she's in another one's the asian girl i don't think she's in any one yeah um yeah but she did a good job she she she's in tons of stuff she she's just supposed to be pretty yeah i mean that and uh you know she does her badass shit that she needs to and everything and it's uh they're just done well like everybody does a good job in that movie like acting wise and then like like the like the most ridiculous thing i guess because uh is probably the gun like the nose bomb thing oh yeah like that's kind of far-fetched but like honestly
00:25:30
Speaker
These so like this huge evil corporations. Yeah, like it's probably not that far. Yeah, it doesn't make you think like it's out of contention. Yeah, it's not like, it's not completely out of pocket. It's not the craziest thing um that's supposed to be in like a, this is happening, like this is like a real world, like this happens all the time, like and we never know about it kind of a a world. That's how the Antichrist is going to us.
00:25:52
Speaker
Oh yeah? that's a different, all different podcast. So, pretty much nothing wrong with Mission Impossible 3, it seems like. What about the fourth one? Why are we both like, yeah, this is the third best one out of the four? The fourth one just seems kind of dull coming from the third one. Not dull. I mean, there's some great scenes.
00:26:13
Speaker
Like when they're sneaking into the Kremlin. Yes, the Kremlin stuff is awesome with the little thing that they have. His face, oh shit. And we get more Simon Pegg. Yeah, because he's a field agent, which awesome. It's awesome, because the company banner, when he was talking about Ethan being on the floor, it's like, yeah, it's an honor be out with you. I should probably start talking. Yeah. And he's just like, he's saying it in English while they're supposed to be in English. And him just fucking up. Like, Ethan was babysitting, what's it called? Benji. for sure. The whole time. Like, when his face was in the light, too. He just pushed him out. the fuck are you doing?
00:26:45
Speaker
Yeah, no, Benji is... I'm so glad we got more Simon Pegg in this one. Like, got him in the field, because it's just so fucked he's just so fucking great. um And then... I don't know, like, because, like, all the like do the, like, the, like, switcheroo in the hotel in Dubai, like, that's all pretty cool and, like, works really well, I think.
Dubai Hotel Scene and Character Dynamics
00:27:07
Speaker
um I guess the only thing is, like, I guess the ah the girl in this one... Was it like they were, she was in love with the dude who dies at the beginning? The very first scene. It's like, like that doesn't need to really be more fleshed out and stuff, but like.
00:27:24
Speaker
shows why she like judo kicked that bitch out the fucking window. Like for sure. I don't know. It's like, I don't have anything. It makes sense and it works, but like. I don't know.
00:27:35
Speaker
that That's one of those things that i wasn't I'm not 100% sold on, but I don't know why. Well, that and Jeremy Renner's character. Jeremy Renner, yeah. like I got like the story. I just didn't like Jeremy Renner's. I just don't. It's Jeremy Renner, man. Exactly. It's hard to be like be like, oh, hell yeah, Jeremy Renner's in this movie. He's a perfect Hawkeye. like this background character. He's great as Hawkeye. would say the only...
00:27:57
Speaker
i would say the only Two good movies, or, like, only good movies that he's in are when he's Hawkeye. He's great as Hawkeye. Yes. And I think he just fits it perfectly.
00:28:07
Speaker
And then, um, uh, the movie, uh, Tag. Yes. He's great in that. And, like, it makes sense for him to be, like, the way he is in that. I don't know. I guess I just don't like dopey old Jeremy Renner. He's better when he's confident. Well, he does this one thing. So, the...
00:28:23
Speaker
the moment I was like, oh yeah, right. It's Jeremy Renner. Like it like pulled me out. Cause it's Jeremy Renner. Like, especially was, uh, when after everything goes wonky at the hotel, um, and, uh, she like kills the assassin girl on accident.
00:28:39
Speaker
Um, And then he's like, oh, yeah, like you're not an analyst. like You have all these skills and stuff. And he's like, oh, I have my secrets and stuff. And he's like, well, you tell me yours. I'll tell you mine and stuff. like Which, you know, cut back to that final scene. He already knows.
00:28:55
Speaker
Like, like ah ah Ethan knows what happened and what he is. He just wants him to it say it so he can, like, absolve him of it. But then Jeremy Renner, like, he, like, turns and goes to a post and just...
00:29:08
Speaker
lays up on the post and doesn't say anything and I'm like god damn it Jeremy Renner like I was just like I can't accept this though it's like I get it it's like I understand the blocking and like why he did that because then it moved him out of the way for like just like okay now Ethan's more in the center and he's about to talk and stuff like I get it but I was just like come on bro it's just the way he did it dude like I don't know why but I was like god damn it it's Jeremy Renner, why is this happening? He's just, I mean... It's just his presence. Exactly. storyline very compelling. The storyline is great. Yeah, exactly. Like how he's tied to his wife and he's supposed to protect them.
00:29:41
Speaker
And the reads reason Ethan's in jail at the very beginning because he killed five dudes. Yeah. And they called collateral damage, which is fucking crazy. Once he went, he's like, something's going done. Kill five men. just have to kill five dudes. I hope they fucking did something. That shit's fucking wild. No, actually, I think... i think i think um He does kill... I think he kills them because they were connected to the guy who sean who she was trying to get the codes and like do and start a nuclear war and stuff. they were He says like one quick line of like, oh yeah, like the secretary knew like that we had some solid intel that they were connected. And they were coming. I killed them ah to cover the as a part of the cover-up. And then it's like, oh no, they're just random...
00:30:30
Speaker
Serbian people, like Serbian ops, like that art of targets to make him go ah disavowed and his wife could escape and like all that stuff. like all he says Like, it's like one line to explain it. I think so far, one of the most non-subtle badass things that happens is when Ethan's in jail and he has that fucking rock.
00:30:50
Speaker
He bounces it off of the side five or eight times in a row, dude. And then He gets up when he finally finds out that, hey, they're trying to, what's called some chaos is happening outside. He puts a rock off and it just fits so chisely into the fucking wall. Yeah, he just puts it right back. That's so fucking cool. so Oh, wait. So with Jeremy Renner. so So imagine, so his role and like his story is solid and it works and it makes sense. But it's Jeremy Renner playing Put Henry Cavill in that role.
00:31:22
Speaker
Him playing that role. Pretty fucking sick. Yeah, pretty sick. Would be better. Yeah, would be better. Now, put Jeremy Renner in Fallout as Henry Cavill's character. No. It ruins the movie. yes It ruins the movie. I'm gonna say this is... um It's not as bad as 2, but Jeremy Renner just being in it makes it worse. I just don't understand. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. like i don't know why they took Luther out and put this...
00:31:48
Speaker
base model vanilla Kraft mac and cheese. carries the um like Here's the thing. There's parts where I like because he's so fucking sad. He's like a fucking dog that's outside in the fucking rain, which is fine. If that's your play, ahead. That's your play.
00:32:02
Speaker
But we didn't know like why he was fucking sad besides like, hey, he's an analyst and he knows his faces and names. Well, he did analyst and like that's why he was so good with names because it's supposed to be like he's like almost as good as Ethan but he wasn't in the field because he...
00:32:17
Speaker
You know, couldn't make a mistake again like that and blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, the story works, but it's just fucking... I don't know. It was just Jeremy Ritchie. It was never meant to be nice or pretty or great. It was just meant to be something, I guess. Yeah, I guess. It works, but... Well, it's the same thing with the girl, too. The girl's like, yo, you're attached to your husband, spy husband. Yeah, spy husband or spy love interest. Exactly, and you just thought that neither one of y'all were ever going to die.
00:32:43
Speaker
don't And it will, you know, again, it will kind of a similar thing as the Jeremy Renner. See, that's, it's probably, that's probably part of it is like, it's Jeremy Renner is like, oh, I'm, I had an op and I messed up. So I, now I'm an analyst and I don't, and then she's like, I want to avenge him because I like loved him, but also it was my op. This was my doing. It was supposed to be easy. And then we fucked up like kind of a thing. So It's like those and then you know Benji's just there. where But he's great. and He does everything he's supposed to. He's like he's Benji in his truest form. Yeah. Every time we see after this is not like Benji in his truest form. Yeah.
00:33:22
Speaker
Pidgey at the end of day is a desk guy. He's a guy in the computer. He's an IT guy. Yeah, he's a guy with a computer, guy in the chair kind of thing. Which, like, Luther is too, but, you know, they both... You need both of them going forward. I do really like the scene at the very end, though, when, like, they're at the car parking lot and, like, it's revolving around and they're going up and down different tiers. Yeah, that's cool. And Tom Cruise decides to the ultimate thing because the guy decides to not suicide himself twice.
00:33:49
Speaker
Like, one time just onto the car and it falls off and it's going back up. yeah The second time, he just goes straight front and forth. And neither one of these fucking hits kills this guy. Or they even knocks him out. Because at the very end, he's like staring at Ethan. He's like, oh no, he fucking stopped it. But then Ethan gets to decide the smart ass ideas to get in a fucking car, safety lock that motherfucker, and drive off. Drive the BMW straight fucking down. Which is like...
00:34:14
Speaker
Pretty fucking smart. But like, dude, if you're an Asian dude, you can't tell me you can't hardcore parkour from the side edges and like keep just going back and forth get there at the exact same time. I don't know. He's just like... Exactly. it's all No, it's because ah the dude like snapped his leg. His leg was fucked up.
00:34:28
Speaker
Oh, yes. When the first car starts coming out, his leg's kind of caught in a weird way, and he like snaps it. He like s stampmps stomps on it and like breaks it a little bit, or fractures it. But he can't put all of his weight on it, so he couldn't parkour down, which he normally would have, because we literally saw him climb fucking tallest building in the world in Dubai which is a great fucking scene too I think great I think the four only they has over three which is very beautiful to watch yeah it's a gorgeous movie because you have the car at the very end too where they get into that BMW IA and like the screen like the easy and navigation on the fucking yeah which is sick as fuck pretty cool car first probably me so my one of my favorite like movie cars So granted
Technological Advancements and Plot Devices
00:35:09
Speaker
though, think about this though. So we go from Mission of Impossible 3 is 2006 and then it's 2011. So five years later.
00:35:17
Speaker
um So 2011, I'm sure you could tell because I could tell um the like quality of the film. Like it's it's a 4K digital shot. I think they shot this one on IMAX.
00:35:28
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's like they had the, like, the camera, the jump in, like, the camera technology is, like, noticeable. I mean, you get Avatar comes out. I mean, yeah.
00:35:40
Speaker
But, like, I think in 2006, they were probably still, I mean, still looks good, you know, but they were, like, it was a combination of, like, they were probably still... It's lot darker. a lot darker. I say They might have been shooting on film still, and if they were shooting on digital, the, like, color grading was a little...
00:35:55
Speaker
It was very 2006. This one looked like more like natural, like what we expect to see in movies today kind of a thing. So that obviously helped. But also they went to like fucking Dubai and did a bunch of fucking awesome... Climbed on the sky, the highest buildings, tallest buildings in the world.
00:36:13
Speaker
insane Which, I mean, if Tom Cruise does his own stunts, even if he's holding onto a rope, that's still fucking crazy. That's still insane. so fucking That's still insane. And he just likes jumping off shit, dude. He loves it. He's running, dude. He is running and running. Running away from the sandstorm. Running off and just jumping on top of shit. Which I guess he just... I guess his insurance has to be fucking phenomenal.
00:36:30
Speaker
It's gotta be insane. He wrecks a car probably in every fucking... Oh my Wrecks a vehicle. i sorry Every single time. The first one, I know it's not. I mean, i don't know there's one or not. The second one, I know... There he is. The third one. I'm trying to think. Oh, they blew up the car.
00:36:46
Speaker
think ah they blew up the car
00:36:50
Speaker
Yeah, the, like, Lambo. Yeah, the Lambo. Or Ferrari, I guess, because they're in Italy. And he drives the building car off to fuck you the edge. He drives the BMW off, yeah. It's not a good look.
00:37:02
Speaker
And four, I know he wrecks that car in the sandstorm when he, like, tries to get him off. also so don't Technically two cars. Yeah, don't know how that dude walks away from that, either. That's another one. Yeah, that's another thing. That one, like, this, that.
00:37:13
Speaker
And he's already on the truck. Yeah. he can catch up to a truck. Yeah, like, I don't know. And it we find out it's not the, like, younger henchman dude. It's actually the older dude who's, like, in charge of everything.
00:37:26
Speaker
And you tell me that man got out of that car, lickety-split, that car that flipped, like, 15 times, got out of it no problem, and was already, like, at least 50 yards ahead. Especially because you couldn't see it. Tom Cruise knew was going to happen, but he there's no way he knew was going see He'd be just out of shock.
00:37:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. that so That's part of it. I feel like there's a couple of... Reaches. There's a couple of more reaches in like the other Again, they're all insane fucking movies. And like the most insane shit happens in these movies.
00:37:55
Speaker
But feel like, like you had said earlier, 3 is very grounded. And like is as grounded in reality as it can be. Notwithstanding the the gun thing. The fucking bomb thing in your head.
00:38:08
Speaker
But like this one, it's like... Like, very easy things like that. Like, oh, this guy got out of this car and is already 50 yards away. There's no fucking way. It's upside down.
00:38:19
Speaker
There's sandstorm going. Like, how the fuck? like Also, the aerobatics he had on the Dubai building where he's just like, I can't reach it. he's just like... Kind of like the three where he does a fulcrum again, but he reaches off and then lets go. then they catch him. That was crazy. That did take me out a little bit. And then Pidgey just comes out and says, ooh, that was tough. Ooh, that was hard, but I did it. Yeah, he's the fucking... So wild. He's the man, dude. He's the fucking man. But with the Dubai hotel switcheroo and stuff, I...
00:38:51
Speaker
I love that they did it, no mask, because it's funny that Benji didn't get a mask. He wanted a mask so bad. That's just funny. But the way that he goes in and he has the fake arm and stuff, and like they give her they give a they give the diamonds to her, and then he swipes them, and then they and he takes them upstairs to give yeah to the the ah the real assassin and stuff. like That's all cool. like That's a good... like There was a lot better... and As we're going, like I would say...
00:39:20
Speaker
three probably was more action-y. and like cause it wasn't really like They didn't really have to come up with any schemes. like There was really good schemes in this one. yeah rogue nation or not ro nation um Ghost Protocol. There was some good scheming and like, oh, we gotta plan how we're gonna do this like in and out kind of stuff. There was the Vatican one in Mission Impossible 3. But other than that, it was mostly like We gotta find shit. We gotta stop shit. Like kind of a thing.
00:39:46
Speaker
Which again was enjoyable. You're chasing a dude. Yeah. Chasing a dude. Which is good. But this one I felt like the scheming was a little bit. A little bit better. don't know dude. don't like chasing dudes. You don't like chasing dudes? don't like chasing dudes.
00:39:59
Speaker
Then why you like these movies so much? That's all it says. Is dudes chasing dudes. I'll chase a rabbit foot all day. even know what that's supposed to mean like good luck like because that's what that is just lucky rabbits just think whatever dude just um moving on um i think that uh i don't know there was one there was something else with rogue nation that i wanted god damn i keep doing that with but ghost protocol It's the arms dealers exchange. Like when they lose both Hendrix and the girl gets free soloed off the building. And they go to that arms dealer because um Sergio. sergio or No, no, no.
00:40:48
Speaker
Ethan is Sergei. His name's like Gundren or yeah something. yeah And they go there and he this guy just gives up all the information. And also is working with the cops, too. He tells the cops... He's an arms dealer and an information yeah a dealer and stuff.
00:41:06
Speaker
I don't know. I also felt like the... Like the... It's not KGB anymore, but I'm going to call him KGB. The KGB guy that's coming after Ethan the entire time because he's like, you blew up the Kremlin. It wasn't unnecessary. It worked.
00:41:23
Speaker
and like but it just It felt a little flat. He didn't really do anything. The movie had been exactly same without him in it. It felt like a convenient way to get...
00:41:34
Speaker
to like put a block on Ethan in some way. But like the only, the biggest block he does, which you could have done so easy. um the biggest block he does uh,
00:41:47
Speaker
Oh, excuse me, Jesus Christ. When he's following, um, Windstrom, quote-unquote Windstrom, out of the hotel in Dubai, he grabs him, and he's like, and he's like oh, I found you, like, duh. And he has to, like, start fighting them, and then the gun goes off, and Windstrom starts running.
00:42:01
Speaker
It's very easy to make a character, like, have to turn around. Yes. Oh, you know, she also, she just got... ah is Does she get kicked off before after that? I think it's...
00:42:12
Speaker
When they're running when he starts running they're running they they're already running and she gets kicked off. Okay. Well, okay. Here's a little rewrite she gets kicked off and She falls to the ground and people scream.
00:42:23
Speaker
He's going to turn around to see what the fuck happened. Oh, fuck. There's Ethan. Now I got to run. Yes. Like, you know, like, so, like, I felt like the KGB guy was kind of like, I mean, obviously it makes sense that somebody, like, somebody blows up the fucking Kremlin. There's going to be a guy. So it's kind of like, you can't not have him. But I feel like we could have done a little more. they put, they try to make some, like, little consequences. But I mean, it just, it still falls flat with him. Mm-hmm.
00:42:47
Speaker
and a lot i think a lot of characters unnecessary i think sometimes they put more to try to give new guys new roles and not pay people because they're like hey you can be replaced yeah no keep the people pay i mean that's why ethan's in fucking eight movies and so yeah he also produces them yeah so so is luther luther's important man yeah he's so good the story is luther luther is palpating he is one of the most important uh people um yeah I don't know man Rogue Nation just like there's some good stuff
Mission Impossible 4's Series Placement
00:43:18
Speaker
it's good in there but it's going forward like you said like
00:43:22
Speaker
So his wife is alive and well. Yes. And they're not together anymore. Because he can't. And he just like spies on her every once in a while. But we never see her again going forward, right? Yeah. like It's not important to the movie. I know. Actually, do we see her again? Don't we see her in, what's it called? In Seven? If we're going to see her again, it's going to either... I think we do see her Seven. I think we do see Seven. Because she's at that camp. Yeah.
00:43:48
Speaker
Yeah, we might see her again. And she's married. And she's married. Yeah, yes. Okay, so we'll talk about it more next week. So we do see her again. we see her again. So it does make sense. But yeah, I mean, it works. It all really does work. Yeah, I think 4 is very good. I had a good time watching it. My hands sweat.
00:44:06
Speaker
This was the most my hands said sweat watching any of the movies so far, which is always good for an action thriller like this. um But I just think... Jeremy Renner just kind of fucks it up.
00:44:18
Speaker
Just kind of fucks it up. Lucela dog, man. Like, that's a bummer. trying to think, is this before or after the Avengers? 2011? It's 2011, so this would have been before. This would have been before. 2009 is when Iron Man came out. Yeah, and 2012 is when the Avengers came out. Yeah, because they had... It was...
00:44:35
Speaker
Iron Man, then Edward Norton's. How he get that job? I don't know. How did he do this? ah he hadn't i Honestly, I don't know. I can't think of any older movies. I like him as Hawkeye. He's great as Hawkeye. He's just a dude in Hawkeye. It makes sense for him to be this like no power just archer. In a purple suit.
00:44:57
Speaker
In a purple suit. He's just really good at that the bow and that's like his whole thing and he's like in like parkour and like you know hand-to-hand combat sure he's not good at being feeling sad for himself yeah and he's really good at like loving his wife and kids and hiding them like you're a fucking spy dude like death comes with a fucking job yeah but that's why they all live on a farm dude that's why you're not eating fucking hunt dude you remember and remember dude we're talking fully talking avengers now uh when uh uh his whole family just fucking snaps away dude oh yeah that's crazy he does that's probably one of the best scenes of hawkeye let me be honest it's better than that i mean better than what he had this and he didn't get nobody down like he actually like he put it like he he did it for that that's not disney money though
00:45:38
Speaker
Tom Cruise and Scientology, they got a lot of money to throw at Jeremy Renner for this weak-ass role, but Disney, they got more money. They got way more money. They got way more money. Like, you earned this fucking paycheck, bro. And he was like, okay, he actually tried, so he was great. And then see Sadjumner again the end of Avengers when Natasha dies. Yeah, he's devastated. Yes. And he's also leading up against... It should be me. He's also leading up against the pole. That's good, dude. It's his signature move, dude. Just...
00:46:09
Speaker
That's his go-to move, bitch. What a Likes to get cooked. Sorry, bro.
Ranking and Upcoming Episodes
00:46:15
Speaker
Definitely gets cooked. Probably. like um But hey, if he's into it, that's fine. Here we go, bro.
00:46:23
Speaker
um Yeah, I don't really think there's much else to say. Mission Impossible 3 is far superior to all of the other ones so far. I would say far. One's close. One's just different I would say one's, like, I mean, it's like at least two tiers. Yes. Like, my Mission Impossible 3 is S tier.
00:46:41
Speaker
I would put, and then, so what what are the tiers? It's S and then an A through F or whatever. Yeah, except for Skip E. Except for Skip E. Just like grades. Mission Impossible 3 is S tier.
00:46:53
Speaker
a Mission Impossible 1, I would say, is A. and Mission Impossible 2 is F. And then Ghost Protocol is probably E. B of C. Probably C for me, thinking about the next ones that we're watching.
00:47:11
Speaker
Because the next ones we're watching are S's and A's. It's all S and A from here on out. I'm trying to remember how far. Rogue Nation is insane. It's insanely good. And I feel like Ghost Protocol is a little bit less for me because...
00:47:28
Speaker
This is where they have nuclear codes and he's trying to start a ah nuclear holocaust because of evolution or something. Yes. um It's his old bag.
00:47:40
Speaker
But I like Rogue Nation more because it's like ah terrorist organization gets a hold of a nuke. I don't know. It just like... it's a It's the same thing. It's a nuke. Nukes are like the thing that's going to happen.
00:47:54
Speaker
But the way it plays in Rogue Nation, I think just like it plays better. It's a more interesting way. It's like, oh, well somebody's got the codes. We've got to get the codes back. But this is like, no, they have a nuke in their hands. also And that's a crazier scenario. I'm just thinking about this too like Aren't nuclear codes, don't they change them a lot? like wouldn't you like Why would have wi it to have like one set paper lists? I don't know. Especially when they get taken, you're not going to change those nuclear codes. Well, also, okay.
00:48:19
Speaker
to to play devil's advocate as we do here. um That's why he blew up the thing. um So it would take them weeks to even realize they were gone. That's true.
00:48:30
Speaker
Yeah. someone And someone specifically mentions that um in in the movie. So, I think it's fine. But yeah, they would. If they knew immediately, they absolutely would change the codes and it would be fine.
00:48:40
Speaker
um Yeah, i think I think that's part of the reason why Ghost Protocol like falls down because it's like you get Ghost Protocol, but then you get Rogue Nation and you're like, no, this time people actually have a physical nuke.
00:48:52
Speaker
in their fucking hands. ye ah Do they get the nuke from, like, do they get it from the river? Like, is that, is it the same nuke? I don't think so. Because I don't think so either, but, like, that would be cool. Because at the end of Mission Impossible 4, that's what Luther said he's been doing. said, hey, y'all been to the bay. He's been, a Yeah. Because I've been in the Bay for the past week because of y'all. Okay.
00:49:14
Speaker
So it's probably not that then. I mean, we'll find out next week. I can't remember. It's like I've never really seen all these congruently like this. Not so close. Yes. I guess. like Because, again, when we went to see Fallout with Nick, we watched them.
00:49:26
Speaker
It way longer. Yes. I'm watching two a day. Exactly. like, before we do this. I watched both of these on Sunday. Yeah, And I was like, let's just get this done. I don't have anything else to watch. I know. To be honest, when I go home today, I'm probably to watch 5.
00:49:39
Speaker
i know That's the thing, dude. Because I was excited. I was like, fuck yeah, 3 and Rogue Nation. And I was like, oh no, it's Ghostbusters. And like it's still good, but like um but it does make me even more excited for next week's episode because it's fucking Rogue Nation and Fallout, dude. We have the best fall. Let's fucking go, dude. Probably second best movie and then... the
00:50:01
Speaker
The best action scene? That bathroom scene. I cannot wait it. That bathroom scene is so fucking good. We were going to get into it all fucking day. um ah Behind the scenes story that everybody probably knows, but I'll tell it next week on on that episode.
00:50:14
Speaker
um So yeah, next week we're going to be coming back with ah Rogue Nation finally. I know I said Rogue Nation a lot instead of Ghost Protocol. Rogue Nation next week and Fallout.
00:50:25
Speaker
ah Two of the best... ah One of them is definitely S tier, just automatically. One of them is A, might also be S.
Closing Remarks and Future Discussions
00:50:32
Speaker
I don't know. um Point is, that's coming next week.
00:50:36
Speaker
um Yeah, like, subscribe, all yeah all blah, bla blah, blah, blah. You've heard it all before. um Bye. See y'all next week.