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Mission Impossible 8 with Justin Hendrick
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SPOILERS BE CAREFUL. ALSO SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!
We did it. We watched all the Mission Impossible movies and talked about them. Here's our thoughts on the last one.
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Introduction and Bad Movie Debate Announcement
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Speaker
um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on. Something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called, what is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie Debate.
Mission Impossible 8 Overview
00:00:20
Speaker
What up nerds? It's me, Jacob Abb from Bad Movie Debate, here to talk about Mission Impossible 8. eight We did it. Eight. We did it. We did it. We did it, guys. We did it. We did it. We're back. Exactly. It's been three hours. That's crazy. Since we recorded the first one, these are going to come out on separate days. It looks like we did it. Actually, I brought an extra shirt so that way I can change. You know, I thought about that. I told Austin. I was like, maybe we should change and pretend like we spread it out, but that's not what happened. I literally just forgot about it on the way to my car. Yeah, and I just was like, It doesn't even matter.
Theme Analysis: The Use of 'Reckoning'
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Speaker
so here we are uh it's been a mission impossible heavy day um and that's great um okay so the final reckoning which they said at least eight times yes maybe a little less i can't say reckoning a fucking lot they said reckoning a lot and then at least final reckonings two or three times as well so they did a lot they did the most they did They did a lot. They did a lot with it.
00:01:23
Speaker
um Oh, yeah. So, let's see. So, the current... Ratings. Let's do ratings first. Oh, you want to the rating on it? Let's do ratings, and then we kind of go back into it. It's a little bit different, because this was just so recent.
00:01:38
Speaker
Mission Inmus. The Final Reckonings. Alright, here we go. So, ratings right now for Rotten Tomatoes. I'm only going to Rotten Tomatoes because already saw the 7.5 at IMDb, which is where they always are. yeah Every movie ever, even if it's good or bad. at least have a movie time to digest it. Yeah.
00:01:57
Speaker
um So, 80% on the Tomatometer Certified Fresh. by the critics makes sense 89 on the popcorn meter uh verified hot which is a new thing i guess they're doing um so yeah people are loving it across the board which i'm not surprised uh that it's getting those kind of reviews it makes complete and total sense um it fits into like the mission impossible movies yeah i'm like very much so where you're very entertained on various a lot of parts of it um it's not very i say this one's probably like the least plot driven one i will say i i will say there was a lot more there was just like well let me say this real quick uh right as of right now
00:02:41
Speaker
It's made $239
Box Office Performance
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Speaker
million. dollars so And it was at $300 million budget. So it's going to make its money back in the next week or two. And then start making are actually making profit. Probably when this weekend's box office comes out. Yeah, what's the it is Sunday. So yeah, once this weekend's box office hits, it's probably going to be making money.
00:03:03
Speaker
And it's just going to keep going up from there. um Again, though, the Fallout... ah alma at 791 million. Almost 800 million just on that one alone because it's still the best one.
00:03:18
Speaker
Spoiler alert, that one's still the best even after seeing this one. This one's not the best. won't say Fallout's the best, but will say this one's better. It's not the best. I definitely need more from this movie if this one be the best. It lot, it just didn't give
00:03:37
Speaker
We were talking about something. It didn't give closure. It didn't give closure.
Finality and Closure Concerns
00:03:40
Speaker
It's like you think, like, with the name Final Reckoning, Tom Cruise's last one, yeah you have a lot more closure at it.
00:03:48
Speaker
And this they end it just like they end all the other Mission Impossible films, where all the guys meet, they're all in the crowd, yep they look at each other, they smile, and then they pan out. Yeah, and then they all go their separate ways until next time. yeah It very much... Yeah, because they had been kind of like...
00:04:04
Speaker
I would say for at least a year, been kind of shoving down our throats. Like, this is the last one. This is the last Tom Cruise one. So it's the last it's basically the end of the Mission Impossible franchise. If Tom Cruise isn't doing any more, they're probably not going to do any more, at least for a few years, and they'll find new people and stuff.
00:04:19
Speaker
But it didn't have that, like, finality feel to it at all. I'd say the most final part of it was the Tom Cruise talking about in the very first part of the movie. Yeah. When he's like, hey, thank y'all. This is how you're watching how was to be presented.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah, the intro of Tom Cruise looking in the camera being like, thanks for coming to this movie and stuff. Yeah, like that's the only thing. That was the most final part of it. Yeah, and I mean, Luther dying, RIP, so fast.
00:04:45
Speaker
Spoiler alert, spoiler alert. It's been out for a couple weeks, sorry, spoiler
Character Analysis: Luther's Illness
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Speaker
alert. Yeah, but if you're watching this aspect of it, if you're watching this one, like... You should know what happens. As we told y'all in the last episode that we were going to go watch it. yeah I'll put in the show notes at the very top, spoilers.
00:05:04
Speaker
just I said a spoiler and then said spoiler alert. um But yeah, so Luther dies like very almost immediately in the movie. mean, he goes in this hole, gets this illness that he has. Unexplained. and good and Very unexplained. He said, hey, there's a medical bill in there and he's working on this.
00:05:22
Speaker
ah what do they call the virus? i got The poison pill. The poison pill, yeah, have the poison pill. Yeah, they get infected. So that's the way they can infect it. He succeeds. He tries to give to Ethan. Ethan doesn't take it, which wild. Don't want understand that. you You give it to me yourself. I go, no, he's fucking dying. He's literally dying. He's literally a stretcher. He's literally dying in in a bed. He has the thing the oxygen up his nose. Yeah, in his total. he's dying. Yeah, and then, like, that's another thing, too. I don't know what made them go the direct that he was already dying because to me it took away from the fact of his sacrifice that's what i'm saying like and like i don't think you would need luther to have any more reason than this is the only way this can be done exactly he would have did it so why would he would have done it no no question that exactly 100 so there's no reason for him to be dying yeah dying we already knew he was in a hole we could just lift it like that i don't mean maybe he was
00:06:16
Speaker
actually sick and they want to play that all i don't know i have no idea like but i just that fell short to me a little bit yeah because like his sacrifice was dope and i was like god damn it's only been like again it's like a three-hour movie so it's like 30 minutes into the movie which is pretty early uh narratively and it's like okay well he fucking died now no one's safe as far as i'm concerned but like yeah his sacrifice is it doesn't hit as hard because if he was like, yeah, I'm totally fine.
Plot Device Confusion
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Speaker
We're all going to get out of here. But then he had to stay. And then when there was, and then at the end, when there is people who could sacrifice themselves and they're totally fine, they all make it. yeah And so it's like, what fuck is happening? don't know. I don't know. This one played on ah the twist a lot.
00:06:59
Speaker
Not just only this time, but other time that like, hey, there's a, if I were to clip this last wire, there would still be implosion here, not other ones. But none of the other movies that had bombs, which is damn near every Mission Falls from a movie, yeah had this plot twist where, hey, only this one type of bomb, they just so happened to found out in 2024, or 2025, excuse me, or this time frame, whatever this movie is, which they pretty much go in the same timeline that we are right now with this movie, which,
00:07:27
Speaker
I didn't know that we were still canonologically like, hey, when they when they see stuff, we see stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just didn't understand why that twist had the came to come into the plot besides killing characters or putting more suspense. Oh, yeah. the like like Why are these bombs where they're like they can disable any bomb in the world, nuclear or not, up until this movie, and now it's like...
00:07:50
Speaker
well, we can cut it, but if we cut... Like, we can only do it in such a way where it'll still explode, but it won't be a nuclear explosion and take out a bunch of innocent people. Which doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, that happened twice in this movie.
00:08:04
Speaker
One where a man who... He was already dying, did it, and then there was ah the three people at the end, none of who were dying, and they make it. I don't know. it was It's a very weird plot device to use in the same movie twice, and...
00:08:20
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah.
Langley and Series Callbacks
00:08:21
Speaker
Well, oh that's another thing, too. At the very end, too, like they have 10 seconds to run to their place. All three them not getting in there in 10 seconds. I'm going to let you know that right now.
00:08:30
Speaker
Maybe the army guy. Yeah. Maybe Langley. Yeah. Langley. and let's talk about Langley because I thought Langley was probably one of the best parts of this movie. That was awesome. The callbacks, i think. probably The best callbacks were nice. pleasure yeah um I guess first let's talk about The Rabbit's Foot. That was the best thing. We talked about it literally. We talked about it like literally 30 minutes before we went to go see this movie. We still didn't know what The Rabbit's Foot did. We found out The Rabbit's Foot is pretty much... was like like The beginning of the entity. Exactly. Like, yeah, the East was... How they say Like, the East started the technology, and then when Ethan stole it, the West was able to finish it and actually start the thing. And let the entity out. to let the entity out and, like, use it for their own advantage. Which is good. That was sick. Which a lot ties into like, hey, why wasn't Eddie here all this time? I mean, since 2012, which we didn't know what the timeline was, but they gave us little timeline on when the submarine crashed. Yeah, yeah, that was 2012. And so like, that's when this started.
Timeline Inconsistencies in the Series
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Speaker
And that's when Mission Impossible 3 came out. Yeah, exactly. Which is kind of wild that they did five, six, seven, and now eight, five movies between 2012 and 2025. Yeah, 13 years. which took them three years to do what?
00:09:42
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took them pretty good three years to do what
00:09:47
Speaker
18 years 18 years to do 3 movies? Yeah 96 to 2012? Yeah So it took them 3 years And then they pop 5 And then they just 12? Yeah Yeah 13 Is it 2025 or 2026? Holy pop out five and the next yeah and they just twelve yeah yeah yeah i'm actually no yeah thirteen it twenty three five twenty two six holy far what What's your question? It's 2025. Right now it's 2025. So 13 years and they pop out five more movies and it took them 12 years to do three. Yeah.
00:10:11
Speaker
Which is kind of weird. But I guess, hey, that's movies and especially with big schools of this. It takes to get permits and shit like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, they filmed in a bunch of different places in this one. They literally went all over the world. Finding out what the rabbit's foot was, which is really cool. Super sick. Super awesome. I think that's such a Tom Cruise idea, to be honest. I mean, it's one thing that like we know usually what he's chasing and why he's chasing it. The third one is the only reason why we don't know what he's chasing, which yeah to me...
00:10:39
Speaker
Makes the third one even better. no, it does. It makes the third one so much better. It definitely elevates the third one, which is already, like, super high on the list anyway. But, like, i don't know. It's one of those things where it's, like, is this the... So, how do I phrase
Connecting Loose Ends
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it?
00:10:56
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It felt like they tied up a bunch of loose ends or just gave us a bunch of, like, deeper lore about the rest of the movies and made sure all that was tight by being like, okay, here's the rabbit's foot from so many, five movies ago.
00:11:14
Speaker
And here's what it was the entire time and stuff. And they were like really focused on that, that this movie, other stuff went to the wayside, such as why did we use this plot device twice with the bombs and,
00:11:29
Speaker
like at the beginning at the and at the end where like out of nowhere and then the one character who did die was already dying and then the other like you know what I mean it's like it's like they were so focused on making sure like those like full series narratives were kind of like coming in and like those kind of pokes were coming in and out that they like kind of missed a little bit on this one. With the first 15 minutes they had a full like rehorse or recap actually it wasn't the first 15 minutes it's when Ethan went into the I guess the talk to the entity. Yeah, the talk to the entity and the little sarcophagus or whatever. Flashback. I mean, to be honest, you didn't know what happened the first seven movies, you could have figured out. have figured it out. whole thing. They had a lot of clipbacks and montages back. Oh, yeah.
00:12:13
Speaker
Pretty much everybody. Yeah, everybody. Except, where the fuck was Julie, dude? Where was his wife? That's the only one I thought would be in this movie that wasn't. I'm shocked that there was no ah even, like, real... ah There wasn't even, like, a lot of, like, illusion to her. No, at all. they know Like, it's more... They more so talk about the Gabriel, the before IMF thing, and they, like, talk they talk about it again, and, like, we were both like, oh, hell yeah, we're gonna get some more of that, and then they never talk about that again, either, so... They more they more play to the illusion that, like...
00:12:46
Speaker
Hey, Ethan feels guilty about sacrificing Julia. It was Julia. Her name is Julia. kept calling her Julie, but in the movie, they call her Julia. Yeah, but he calls her Julia. Okay, so you either anyway, Julie, Julia, no matter.
00:12:58
Speaker
But that they they they go to the fact that Ethan feels bad about sacrificing the rabbit's foot entity yeah for Julie's life yeah when he costs potentially billions of lives versus for his one life, which is his wife. Which, I mean, gives, like I said...
00:13:15
Speaker
I don't know. It makes me feel... The third one... The first two are great standalone films. But I feel like three to eight build on top of each other
Character Depth and Development
00:13:25
Speaker
a lot. At this point, yeah. A lot more, especially now.
00:13:27
Speaker
um There was like a long-winded, like... thought process. I mean, you gotta think about it. The first two, if you didn't watch the first two and you watched all the other ones, the only one you would not understand is Langley coming back in this film. That's the only thing that you really... they completely scrubbed from the narrative. They, like, nobody gives a shit. Yeah. about what happens in that one. Small me nitpicking on this, because I'll nitpick this movie a lot in this because they're worth lot things. Absolutely. I'm going to go ahead and say I'm a tad disappointed. Yeah, I'm not disappointed. I'm not devastated. I'm not mad. I'm not...
00:14:02
Speaker
It's not resolved to me. It ist it was a very fun popcorn flick, which is all I ever want for Mission Impossible. But i was it was billed as, hey, there's going to be a lot of like, this is over.
00:14:16
Speaker
And I felt like this movie was missing some stuff. was lacking substance. It was lacking substance. And the like that feeling of like, wow, it's over. Yes.
00:14:28
Speaker
When you get like a franchise goes. So, again. not bad. Not bad at all. not bad. i not disappointed. not angry. It's just wild. It's just so wild to me because I was watching it through and to be honest, there was lot parts I enjoyed it. like To be honest, I did not enjoy... What's her name?
00:14:48
Speaker
um Agent Carter. What's her name? Oh, Grace. Grace. Yeah, didn't enjoy Grace's character as much in this movie solely because... I don't know.
00:14:58
Speaker
I guess the reasons i didn't like Seven, character Seven, is the reason i really did like her. then She always ran and did all this other stuff. Yeah, this she did not want to be involved. Yeah, this yeah this one, all she wanted to was be involved. Yeah.
00:15:09
Speaker
It's kind of like, she took Elsa's character, pretty much, but yeah and the past three years. Well, I mean, she's full-blown a part of that. yeah at this point like so like ethan's dick and thinks ethan could be god all this yeah she was really i don't know like i trust you in my whole life and i get you're fucking thief what kind of moral confidence you have yeah i don't know yeah she her i think her character wasn't as fleshed out as she needed to be i was and like her character too i was very disappointed because like The only, i think, woman he can kiss is Julie, I think, in all the movies. No, no, the white widow yeah the one that gives him a big ol' smack yeah on the lips. And the girl in the second one, too, they smooch a lot. Yeah, God.
00:15:50
Speaker
Like, overtly. Yeah, so they're a lot. That's all they do. Overtly, and that was pretty much all they do. But, like, I was just waiting for them to kiss. Especially like when he got out of the hyperbaric chamber. was like, yo. like thought That would have been the moment. Yeah, like, hey. i Like, not at the end. Because I was like, oh, she's going to kiss him now. and It's going the end. And it's like, that's just going to feel off.
00:16:08
Speaker
But like what in the like decompression chamber, like that's when it should have happened. And it still didn't. like They're being all cutesy and stuff. But it still felt... But yeah, oh man also like, guess not, in this is actually not a nitpick
Submarine Scene Tension
00:16:21
Speaker
at all. It's just like your plot. Cause like they make this whole thing, the whole, I guess, second act of the movies, the, um, them getting to the submarine and then him going down to it. And summer scene, probably the quiet part movie. There's like no dialogue at all. yeah I was cool with the like five to eight minutes of no talking and just watching him do this crazy thing. Yes. And going in between nukes and nukes. I mean, not nukes, but torpedoes, yeahpedo which don't blow up.
00:16:44
Speaker
But the only part that like I really struggle with like, They talk about, they have this whole scene talk about like what his symptoms would be for him rising too quickly or him doing the wrong thing. yeah He gets out of the torpedo. He has to take off all his, has to take off his suit because he can't fit through the torpedo missile guiding thing.
00:17:02
Speaker
And he comes out, has to take it all off. He loses it. And he goes all the way up. They said, hey, if you don't have, you the right things. This stops you from it being hours yeah days. Yeah. At that point, he only had two to half days left to get everything. And all of a sudden it's... Yeah, exactly. that this I guess, say I mean, a day had passed because they see like this... And that's another thing too. Like when...
00:17:28
Speaker
Jackie? No, what's her name? What's her name? Jackie. Is it Jackie? Who the fuck is Jackie? I'm sorry. Agent Carter's name. great Grace. so name Where the fuck did you get Jackie? I don't know. I'm getting close. Jackie and Grace are not close. G.J. They kind sound the same. Anyway, she's just watching him for, I guess, the days.
00:17:48
Speaker
Twelve hours at least. Oh, you see the sun go up and down least to me twice. Yeah, it looked like it. I watched it at least twice go from it looked like it for sure sun dark so yeah and that i mean hey they're in north pole so that could be very different than what we perceive they are at the very tippity top of the world and it does depending on the time of the year the sun doesn't set yeah but they decide to have this full fucking dialogue talking about hey i've been thinking that you should control the entity and you're the only person who can control it so that way we can use it to make people's lives better
00:18:20
Speaker
And like, y'all get the fuck up. The first thing I would ask is how much time is left. He's just like, the first thing he says, where's the thing? And she's like, you got it. It's all good. He's like, great.
00:18:31
Speaker
What time is it? What day it it is it? We gotta go. First of all, he's dead. like Because he literally arrives with 501 meters and cold weather. A ridiculous amount. Who knows how long he was actually in the water, to be honest. A ridiculous amount. exactly Also, that shot of...
00:18:48
Speaker
I know it seems like... Oh, the tit shot? No, not the tit shot. The shot of where he's under the water and then she's there. But it's like... But I don't... I don't know. I'm confused. Did she actually get into the water and stuff? Because they had to cut through it. Yes.
00:19:06
Speaker
So I guess she did do it. don't know. It was just weird. Yes, very much so. like It was weird. I think she got in the water and that she pulled him out, which i don't think you need to pull him out, but also don't know how you found him and moved a piece of ice and it didn't move his body in the same time. Yeah, I don't.
00:19:20
Speaker
I mean, history that's a very small nitpick. I'm guessing there's probably, there's one thing that I really did not like in this whole movie. Everything else I can kind of justify is like, hey, don't think too deep into it But I don't know why they shot it. It was when um Grace and Ethan had got captured after they had finally met for the first time in this movie. Right. um And they get captured. They're both tied
Critical Scene Analysis: Cyanide Scene
00:19:40
Speaker
up. Gabriel walks in. Oh, yeah. And Ethan pops the Sinai thing in. And yeah they both get out. They both rescue. And then it's just Grace and Ethan. Mm-hmm.
00:19:49
Speaker
And then... Ethan gets a sledgehammer and then they show Grace's face. Yeah. That was weird. All year scene. and You see her reaction to him going ham. Exactly. And it does not change the movie at all.
00:20:01
Speaker
And it's just so, so weird. I don't know why they chose not to show a fight. They've never done that. Yeah, they've never done that. Where it's like an all scene. Hey, we're handling some secondary character. Also, it just like...
00:20:12
Speaker
would she's am i She's an MIF agent at this point. so yeah i like she's shoot me that She shouldn't be shocked, first of all. all, for someone just being brutally killed. But also, at the same time, like it's so the two things about that scene that I thought that felt super fucking weird to me was, one um He does the cyanide thing, which like at first I was like, hell yeah, that's classic espionage shit. Like, have the false tooth with the cyanide and stuff.
00:20:37
Speaker
No explanation on, like, okay, so it's not real cyanide because his mouth foams up. So he has an Alka-Seltzer in there? like Is that what it is? like These kind of movies, all before, there's always at least a quick comment. yeah like it's up She wasn't like, what was that? and like While they were walking away, and then he's like, oh, it's just this. I'll take it. That's all I need.
00:20:55
Speaker
First of all. Second of all, She shouldn't be so freaked out by people dying in front of her, first of all. But second of all, he brutalizes these guys. You see, like, the axe in the one dude's back and stuff. And, like, he's, like, more covered in blood than he usually is and stuff, like, going and stuff. And it's like... And he's like, no, they were going to hurt you. Like, I had to save you. It's fine. Like, we got to go. Like, uh... And stuff. And it's just like...
00:21:20
Speaker
why did he go so brutal on these guys for her? And then again, there's no kiss, but they clearly have emotions for each other. yeah and like that just didn't like Their relationship just didn't feel very fleshed out in meaningful way, which is crazy because...
Unresolved Relationships
00:21:38
Speaker
ah Between the two movies that they're in, it's, let's see, it's two hours and 45 then two hours and 50. So almost six full hours of time to get their relationship a little more like pinned down to be like, this is where they stand. And it's just like, i don't know. There was just like, false wild like, yeah, that was just like kind of weird, a weird energy coming from that scene. Especially for them not to kiss at the end. Or for them not to leave together at the end of it.
00:22:06
Speaker
for him for her just to give him the entity and just walk off and then walk a different way it's like yeah if they had walked off together like not even hand in hand but just walk the same direction i'd be like i great yeah it's like hey now i wouldn't be bitching about he finally gets his love yeah he saved the world he's done everything he could possibly do he saved all the americans exactly all the people yeah because at least in all the movies he's saving a certain group it's usually yeah it's usually like a certain part of the world yeah this one he saved everybody this is literally the entire world yeah so it's like he finally did it how could the mission be more impossible exactly Because he say he's like, you say for the people who you love, and you say for people who will never know your love. And the people you'll never like meet, or the people you'll never know, is like their oath. yes and so So now he's touched everybody who either knows him or does not know him.
00:22:51
Speaker
Exactly. so He's yeah literally done it. I guess that is the conclusion of it. i guess i kept panic and that In that energy kind of a ways, yeah. But like I still think that there's... I just still feel like it didn't... It just didn't have that finality. Yes. You know, like, it just really didn't have that finality.
00:23:06
Speaker
And, like, again, like, I don't know where him and Grace stand and stuff. Where the fuck... Where was the callback to Julie? Did he mention that suburb of Except for... Yeah, except for when he's in the, like... Yeah, the rabbit's foot stuff. And then, like, the, like, quick shot... The, like, recap thing when he's in the sarcophagus or whatever you want to call it.
00:23:24
Speaker
Like, i don't know, man. I don't know. I mean, again... Really good scenes.
Fight Choreography Praise
00:23:30
Speaker
Like ah we we were talking about we wanted really good ah like fight choreography and stuff.
00:23:35
Speaker
I think when the one like disciple or whatever they're called that like goes to attack him in the submarine while he's on the treadmill. That fight was really good, especially from Ethan slash Tom Cruise.
00:23:46
Speaker
And then there was three different fights going on that scene. It was exactly that fight scene and then they were in the hut. Yeah, and then they were in the... Russians. Yeah, they were in with the Russians trying to get the coordinates and stuff, and that fight scene was really good.
00:23:58
Speaker
And like, going... With Grace and them in And then Grace and... The wife. The wife in the barn. Like, going back and forth between all three of those, those were all really good choreography and, like, really good editing and felt really good and was like, yeah, this is good. It's not as good as the bathroom scene, but it's good. Yeah, bathroom scene. Like, it the energy I wanted, I really liked it.
00:24:17
Speaker
But... You said the whole second act is the submarine going and getting the thing. Finding submarine and getting into the submarine. That felt like a whole goddamn movie. Yes, it You know what I mean? It felt like a lot it. It felt like a lot of the movie. And like an hour of the three hours. So yeah, I guess the second act. But like...
00:24:37
Speaker
which is all It was cool, but it just felt really long. And what did you say? You said the entity didn't really bother them that much. It was non-existent. was non-existent. Except for taking over the nukes of the powers. Taking over the nukes, which, hey, that's we knew we finally knew that was his objective to cleanse the world. like That's like the clock that's that they're racing against. so like That's why they have the three-day timer. I don't understand why...
00:25:04
Speaker
the entity got rid of gabriel at that point because to be honest his human error yeah not how do you say that because like the entity without someone getting the entity into the the bunker how was what was the plan like how are you going to get ethan to do that ba besides having Gabriel do what they want.
00:25:25
Speaker
And maybe that's what the entity knew is what Gabriel was going to betray the entity. Yeah. That's the only thing I can think is, is like, cause like there's like a brief conversation that Gabriel, that they're like, Oh yeah, Gabriel, he wants to take it for his own power. He doesn't want to like assist. He doesn't want to be, he doesn't want to be like, like if the entity is Jesus, he doesn't want to be Peter anymore. He wants to be Judas. Like, and it's like, okay, like, I guess, but, I don't know. There was some plot stuff and character stuff that was questionable.
IMF Recruitment Critique
00:25:59
Speaker
Well, there one callback that I just thought was completely unnecessary. I mean, it was like, hey, it's cool, it's cool, but that was making the cop who's been chasing the past two movies. Yeah. His mentor's son. Yeah, from the first movie.
00:26:13
Speaker
has Also, that was weird, too, because... Okay, so, for a second I was confused. I was like, wait, he was seven? This guy is so much older than Ethan, but he was seven when his dad disappeared and then was working yes for years. So, it makes sense that he would be, like... The age does make sense. ah For a second I was like...
00:26:33
Speaker
He was seven when the first movie happened. This guy's geriatric. That's 30 years. i mean, he yeah, he's not 36. Yeah, exactly. So 96, that guy, he must have been like in his 20s. Seven years is when he probably got into tax fraud. Then he joined MI6. Yeah, that's when that's when he first joined. And then he was a leader. for Legal problems. Yeah, he was the leader of the team in 96 because he'd been doing it for decades at that point.
00:26:57
Speaker
And it, like, disappeared from his family and stuff. So it makes sense now. But for a second, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, how is this possible? was like, shouldn't this guy be, like, ten years younger than Ethan at the most? Yeah, at least. Because, mean, 37 is the timeline. That would been the case. Yeah, exactly. But he's fine. It's fine. But, like, yeah, that callback was kind of like...
00:27:15
Speaker
It's just like, why? It didn't pass off for anything. like He didn't have any any type of vendetta against it. Not really. He was like, hey, I'm flying by the book. Yeah, exactly. He's like, I'm going to fly by the book. I'm like, my dad did. I listen to orders. Yeah, it was like, cool, dude. Fucking bootlicker, dude. Sick, sick. like I don't know. To me, don't know. That's what I thought like halfway through the movie, or a little, I guess after the movie now, I'm thinking about it, is that and my effort is a little rapey.
00:27:41
Speaker
When they're talking about how they get the recruits, they always get them at their lowest points. Oh, they definitely take advantage. They got Ethan after he did whatever he did because his wife got murdered by Gabriel. Still don't know. Still don't know. Yes, we will. new rabbit's foot. Yeah, exactly. They gave us the rabbit's foot and made another. They got his mentor because he was in legal problems. They get Grace because she's a thief and now she got caught up with the entity yeah and the guys, the keys. So now they got grace in that aspect. And then, um, um, fucking, uh, Luther, like yeah he talks about it all the time. Like he doesn't say specifically, but he's always like, we all were given the choice. And like Benji too, it was like, we were given a choice because of shit we did and stuff. So like, yeah, everybody comes from like bad circumstances. Like, Hey, I'm at my lowest point. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, well, you're really good at what you do. So how about instead of going to prison,
00:28:40
Speaker
you save the world. Yeah, it's very much like, well, you can't really say no. Yeah, exactly. Like, you're not giving me a choice. They really back you into a corner and take advantage of me, either prison or, hey, doing this crazy that know I might be able to pull off. or do I want to be sick badass? And just run off into the sunset one day. Yeah, exactly. Which also, like, it's kind of crazy because, like...
00:29:00
Speaker
You're giving all these like super intelligent people these top 1%ers of what they do in the world. Yeah, they're the elite. And you're giving them pur free access to do whatever they need to. Especially towards the end. I guess so after the third one he's following orders.
00:29:13
Speaker
Yeah, he's following orders heavy. or important which is what That's ghost protocol Ghost Protocol. That's when they start going off the bus. That's when they start going, okay, the IMF is like no longer actively
Visuals vs. Narrative Depth
00:29:24
Speaker
working, but we're still doing our mission.
00:29:26
Speaker
um Because that's the one with um the k criminalmlin the Kremlin and stuff. So they're like, all right, shut it down, which leads to Rogue Nation, where Baldwin comes in, and he's like, we got get rid of this place. They're unrelegated, and they're fucking everything up for the rest of us, blah, blah, blah, blah blah and so on and so forth.
00:29:44
Speaker
I don't know. i don't know It's just... There's some things... Very visually beautiful movie to watch. This theater, I guess, had very good subwoofers compared to my last... Yeah, the sound was really good in this one. The sound really good. Yeah, the theater did a good job. It was very suspenseful in the big bass parts or the big suspense parts. Yeah, you could feel it. Exactly. So you were like, ooh, dude. I had to readjust... It's definitely a theater watch. Readjusted my CF. Very much It's definitely a theater watch. Jocker's is right. Here's the thing, though, man. I...
00:30:10
Speaker
like Dead Reckoning I watched that at home on my couch and like don't me wrong I got a pretty sick sound system for my home theater and by that I mean my living room and I had a I enjoyed that more watching that home you know hold on you have a thought hold on just thought about something what oh god this is crazy I'm scared it's very big reach very very big reach the best maybe the entity is Scientology no and then Ethan takes it to the very end he would never and he uses it No, could never be that metaphor. It could never be that metaphor. Watch that be Tom Cruise's next movie. something to do that's very off-race Scientology based movie. would never. would never. He would never put entity to be, Scientology, to be the biggest evil thing in the world. He literally can't. That's the message, Jacob. Wake up. Wake up.
00:31:07
Speaker
You think Tom Cruise is trying to... Hold on. He's brainwashing us. No, no, no. But the entity is a bad guy. The entity is a bad guy.
00:31:17
Speaker
In the eyes of like the the movie. Exactly. Tom Cruise... so okay but but they say this is a they they say Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. hold on This is a whole different kind of conversation for a whole different podcast, but let me tell you this.
00:31:33
Speaker
So... They wanted the guy, their Tom Cruise. You know who it was before? It was John Travolta. yeah They made a movie called... bout ah They made... a um Not Battlestar Galactica. I can't remember what it is.
00:31:46
Speaker
But they made a movie, a sci-fi movie, that's very much based off of Scientology and like what it actually believes, a little more dramatized. It did not do well. and then john trivval And then they kind of like excommunicated John Travolta. They were like, he's not the guy anymore.
00:32:02
Speaker
And then Tom Cruise came in, and now he's the guy. There's a reason why he doesn't play bad guys anymore. Collateral with Jamie Foxx, that was pre-Scientology with ah Tom Cruise. And that movie fucking slaps.
00:32:16
Speaker
And he's the bag he's the bad guy. Have you seen that movie, Collateral? No. I'm not.
00:32:24
Speaker
and basically is like you have to drive me to these places where after to like assassinate these people like do these crimes if you don't i'm going to kill you and the people you love and stuff and it's so fucking good it's a tight script it's so wellacted but tom cruise is a bad guy that was one of if not the last bad guy roles he ever did because he got into scientology after because john travota Didn't do it. he did He wasn't able to do it. So then they were like, okay, we're not using you like to get our message message out.
00:32:50
Speaker
Here comes Tom Cruise. He's all in. like Have you ever seen the pictures of a... Oh my God, what's her name? We come to this place. yes the what What's her fucking name? Why can't I think her name?
00:33:02
Speaker
Fucking... AMC. She is AMC. Nicole Kimmins. Have you seen the pictures of ah when she ah finalizes her divorce with Tom Cruise when she was married to him because he got into Scientology and she left him because of but She's walking down the street like it's a fucking movie with her arms spread out being like, like yes, thank God I'm away from him and that shit.
00:33:24
Speaker
like He would not, this movie, the entity can't be Scientology because Tom Cruise would never do that. He would never agree to make Scientology the bad guy in any way. The bad guy is AI.
00:33:38
Speaker
That's what this movie is about. obviously well i was looking in the meantime when tom cruise got into scientology because i was like hey maybe tom cruise got into scientology right when the third one came out because that's when he let out that's when the rabbits book started yeah he got into scientology like 1974 and then i looked up to see what him and nicole came in got divorced and it was like 2006 so none of those timelines worked out for me no yeah yeah it just it yeah it doesn't work it doesn't work i'm sorry But like, yeah, again, if you want to learn more about Scientology, do it yourself. This is not the podcast for it. There's plenty of them out there and they're all fascinating.
00:34:17
Speaker
um Don't get into Scientology. Don't read Dianetics.
Humor and AI Antagonist
00:34:22
Speaker
Nope. don't Don't do it. Don't don't read it. Don't even look at it. um It's a very interesting read from what I've read from it, and it it'll hook you. It's it's really good at being really interesting.
00:34:33
Speaker
um Just don't do it. Okay, end of discussion. Scientology, we gotta stop. We gotta stop. But then Benji, we talked about this too, Benji gets shot at like the end of it and i saw the baby get shot yes same you can see him get shot which again great acting by simon peck i love that such great such great acting because like it's very subtle and like to be honest i was just happened to be like because was like the beginning of the climax of the movie so was like okay i'm watching everything like super yeah yeah you gotta lock in at that point especially because the action had just got came up because They were going to escape. They were going to go chasing. Oh, yeah. As soon as Gabriel said now and the gun started firing in that in that moment outside the server room, it was like, OK, we're this last 30 minutes. It's going to be pop.
00:35:16
Speaker
um But then yeah he takes the, I guess, entity. Yeah, there's a word for it, but it's Russian. Yeah, exactly. is um The kick entity to Grace.
00:35:27
Speaker
her bitch ass catches it. Also, she like did not do any pickpocketing in this movie. Sorry. Except the very beginning. The very beginning with the two guys at the party. Yeah, with the guns. Before they get captured and then he brutalizes some people for no reason. I'm but that's what was going to do. But Simon Pegg, get shot.
00:35:42
Speaker
They go through this whole thing where, hey, he's dying. He's not dying. He's dying. He's not dying. Yeah. And makes you feel like he's going to die. And then Tom Cruise is about to ultimately die again. Yeah. And they both make it out.
00:35:53
Speaker
They both make it out scot-free. They're scot-free. At the end of the movie, they're both walking around. walking around. And they're they're good. Exactly. They're going to their next fucking impossible mission. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what were talking about on the drive
Impactful Death Scenes Discussion
00:36:04
Speaker
back. Like, it literally is so frustrating because it's like, okay, Luther died early. soon as he died, like, again, like 30 minutes into this three-hour movie, i was like, okay, all bets are off.
00:36:14
Speaker
Any one of them could die. And then, um ah yeah, Benji gets shot in the stomach, which... is really hard to not die from. Like, and stuff. And, like, Paris does, like, he... Like, I've seen that in movies, and, like, that seems to be, like, a real thing. I'm not a fucking doctor. I don't know.
00:36:31
Speaker
But, like, she, like, does the lung thing so he can breathe and stuff. And it's like, yeah, I mean, I've... That's believable. I've seen that before. But he fucking makes it. And then Ethan... his parachutes on fire as he's going to the ground yeah and stuff. And I just like, I don't know if it was really the final one.
00:36:47
Speaker
Benji, once they, they're like, we did it, we did it and stuff. Benji dead in that moment in, in the, uh, the bunker in the server room and, uh, them trying to, and then like the guys, uh, Kittridge and, uh,
00:37:01
Speaker
the son of whatever his name is go and they find him they find him dead with the thing in his hand and as he's dying we hear luther's message yes okay so i end of movie okay so let me add on to a little bit or ah then all the the new the new recruits meet up yeah in that in the square and then they all walk away i think you're right on track to where i think the movie should end it i think it literally i mean this wouldn't be that hard i mean i could just thought of it right now when you're talking is that hey ethan's falling he's struggling to put the kill kill switch or the poison pill into the device yeah all you see is he gets close he gets close he gets close benji takes his last little breath falls out you see the light pop off they did it they save it yeah yeah she snatches it benji benji dies right there and then you and then you pan out to ethan just like laid out his
00:37:53
Speaker
Torpy Orgas, his parachute just kind of on top of him with legs kind of flailed out, making look like he's dead. Yeah. And then you hear Lutas' message play right beside Ethan, right there in his ear. And then yeah that's how the movie fades out. Yeah. And then maybe you see, hey, the new team. Yeah, the movie fades out. And then I would even take movie fades out.
Proposed Alternative Ending
00:38:10
Speaker
um You see Grace, the Asian girl, and the black guy. You see that scene at the end where they all walk away from each other. But then as they're walking away, ah ah Grace, ah ah Ethan comes up.
00:38:23
Speaker
Bumps into her and pickpockets the lighter that she still has from this from Dead Reckoning. So that he can always find her. And says, oh, did you drop this? Turns around and she and she sees it's him. End of movie, Roll Crest.
00:38:36
Speaker
He made it somehow. Yes. And now they... and He can always find her. She holds that lighter for him. yeah and he's like And he's like, I lost... He's like, I lost Luther. I lost Benji. I've saved the entire world.
00:38:47
Speaker
I'm out. And that like you I would get all that from... honestly just gave... I just gave myself chills coming up with what would have been a more fun final like story. this is Everybody made it out except for Luther. But again, he we knew from the get-go he was dying already. Exactly. From cancer? Question mark. Cancer. Some random heart disease. Heart disease. High cholesterol. Like multiple people.
00:39:12
Speaker
He's a big dude. He's a big dude, too. He's a big dude, so maybe. And he sits on the computer a lot. He don't run around in the field. I've got two thoughts. One, I've been talking about the whole movie. Dude, the PLCs in all Mission Pop's movies, or besides the...
00:39:25
Speaker
the ah love interest in the second movie are all like super strong I mean got Luther you have the black guy who gets self-aware in this movie who's like hey I'm in Dead Reckoning Diga or Dega whatever however you say his name yeah he I loved him in both of these because in Dead Reckoning he's like questioning himself well he's like questioning the fucking dude he's like his boss he's like What if Ethan's right? He's like, what side you on? And he was like, everyone. People. People. Like, people's side. Like, what the fuck? He's like, what's with all the politics and stuff? And like, I knew he was going to be a big part in this one because that. And then you got the Asian girl who, what's it called? Stop the- Paris? Yes. No, no, no, not Paris. Paris, the girl who was in the bunker. Oh, in three? No, girl who was in the bunker on this movie. That's That's Paris.
00:40:07
Speaker
No, Paris is the girl who was with Ethan. I'm talking the girl who was in the bunker, like the bunker with the president and all of them. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Stops the guy from shooting president. The disciple shooting ah Angela Bassett, the president, which if only.
00:40:22
Speaker
If only. Dude, Angela Bassett is president. If only. If only we could be so lucky. We were saying that in a movie theater. was like, yo, I thought that was Angela Buster's voice, but like... Yeah, at the beginning. You just can't want to say, hey, yo, that's Angela Buster's voice. As soon as she started speaking and she was like, this the president, was like... What a come up. I've never seen a national security... Yeah, she was CIA, too, and then she was kind of in the background in this one. She was on the wall, a couple pictures. They were talking about her and stuff.
00:40:50
Speaker
She probably switched she probably switched from like the like public not public public to private but like went from like ah director of an entity to like a politician like
Nuclear Plot Development Critique
00:41:02
Speaker
in that one and now she's just full-blown president which was loose so here's another thing too that i i mean let's think about this some little nitpicking plot thread that didn't really happen to me So all these countries could have instantly made, most of these countries besides like the very small, because they went from march smallest to biggest throughout the movie. Yeah, it's easier to infiltrate the smaller ones than the big three at the end. Yeah, yeah and like none of these countries went offline, which ah mean maybe I'm dumb about nuclear bombs, but maybe... don't fucking know. If I turn a computer off...
00:41:34
Speaker
When I want to, I can turn that bitch back on. Yeah, exactly. so So like, why am I not just like turning my system off? Why did they not have that ah revelation? Again, Angela Bassett is present.
00:41:46
Speaker
I love it. But right before she pressed the button, she shuts it down and she's like, I should have done what I should have done from the beginning. I'm doing what I should have done from the beginning and taking all of our stuff online. And like, but then we'll do the defenseless. And then another guy's like, he's like, yeah, but then the entity can't get to it. And it's like, so why don't we just do that? I you're dead anyway. If they if you lose, you're dead anyway. I mean, they just there's no way in the United States can, or United States of America can take on every other military arsenal. see, that's is exactly what saying. So, I mean, maybe, and they're like, yo, we can kill some more people. when I was like, please be Los Angeles. It felt like... Please. Please. That's so funny. Also, yeah, I love how they specifically didn't say, they they're like like, okay, all the targets are set, including the American city that you chose, not including Chicago. Like they did they were like, we're not going to say, we're not going pick a city. You know what I mean? yeah if it was me it would be los angeles there's too many good people in los angeles it was just so funny that they just didn't specifically say like a strategic place it would be like it would be dallas texas i would kill dallas texas well that's a whole again that's a whole different podcast and that's all that's all sports
00:42:57
Speaker
That's only That's only sports related. Well, here's the thing. I don't really think so. Better watch out, Jerry Jones. Justin's coming. Jerry Jones has a bunker in his house. Let's get there. He got three. Jerry Jones is safe. He's fine. In this ideal world. Yeah, he's been salting himself for a while. He'll be all right. The bad Dallas Cowboys fans aren't the ones who are from Dallas. They're the ones who fucking are everywhere else that claim to be Dallas Cowboys fans.
00:43:23
Speaker
I'm not talking about anybody who I know. Disclaimer.
00:43:29
Speaker
The person who's probably gonna get offense to that, is he's from Dallas. i guess I give him credit. I won't name drop anybody. Shout out. Nick your bitch.
00:43:38
Speaker
but So Dallas for unrelated reasons. um maybe just like so super infiltrated just the people who are dallas cowboys fans who don't live in anyway sorry not this podcast i just don't but again i just think it's funny that they didn't say any any specific name because like is that like oh yeah you don't want to say a specific name because you don't want to give uh you don't want to give any other governments like an idea of where we would be working about like i mean i think they know like we all know like where where the strategic places would be to hit america and like fuck them up and stuff but i did think that was funny that they're like that like he specifically says like and the american city you chose as well instead of like
00:44:21
Speaker
national or like tallas or like new york like like instead of saying any specific place it's like just a and the one that we're gonna do we all and like not just podcast but like if i were the president would have to be some big city that's not near any other big cities i would say so like To be honest, it rid of California. That really pretty much all california gets rid of New York. Boston's too close. And there's this way so's just If we were doing it to ourselves, there's literally so many people yes in New York. I would think if you were had to do it would be like a city like Miami.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, maybe Miami, Seattle. Seattle's with that. I mean, you got Northern California. You got Las Vegas. It could be affected right there, Yeah, Las Vegas could be fucked up, too. Doing Las Vegas is waste of time. Exactly. Because it's literally it's so small. there's And it was some money, dude. There's nothing strategic there. Yeah, the government's getting that money. The industry feeds our economy. Exactly. You do your research. Look it up. of sports, sports betting. Have you heard it?
00:45:21
Speaker
Have you lost money on sports betting? Just to get back to the movie, it was just... I don't know. i The scenes, I really enjoyed. It's just the scenes, every action scene I had a problem with. Yeah. I get that. It was either something like, yeah, that's just not how that works. Yeah. Or that's not how, like,
Action Scene Logic Issues
00:45:39
Speaker
you're leading to believe how that works. Yeah. but and Like, I don't know that much besides, I know that you can't rise up in water too fast. No. And I might i mean, I don't know what the bins looks like and stuff, but, like,
00:45:50
Speaker
It was like the time frame which you had. He seemed fine. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. After seemingly, let's say, 10 hours, he seemed fine. Exactly. Which is, we were directly told 30 minutes before that is not going to be the case. Exactly. Especially for that crazy of a stunt. Just in this real practical world now. I mean, just that crazy of a stunt to do that. And we...
00:46:11
Speaker
it's not it's different if we countdown the countdown gives us some type of a time frame of when like hey how all this is progressing what the time exactly we immediately know has like three and a half days at that point it was two and a half days i remember at that point yeah yeah it was like i know it like two hours like two days two hours two hours two hours like 14 something it was something like that it was somewhere within two days two and a half days yeah so it was just like still though i just i for you for that to go down and also they said hey you have 15 minutes for your what's it called your go down and then relay yeah and then you have 10 minutes you have 10 minutes on the ship to be honest we saw more than 10 minutes of tom's crew like i don't know they were trying to get multiple shots multiple pans to make us feel like that yeah that scene lasted way longer than 10 minutes than it felt like it should yeah absolutely i think that and the torpedo scene kind of like
00:47:03
Speaker
Like the torpedoes hitting each other and stuff? To be honest, like, torpedoes are known to, like, when they hit contact, they're supposed to explode. Yeah, but also they're going at high speeds and they're hitting a really hard target. So if they're just kind of splashing in water and then slowly hitting each other in water, like, I'll give them leeway on I would believe that if they were like...
00:47:21
Speaker
hey, these are new-made torpedoes and, like... Well, they're from 2012. Yeah, yeah. That's 13 years at that point. These are 13-year-olds in cold-ass water. That's true. Also, okay, so another thing, too, in the... Well, they didn't get wet until he opened opened the thing. It was dry inside. That's true. So... um But another thing that was kind of...
00:47:37
Speaker
um weird to me in the aspect of is do you remember like when he first got into like the first room and like the people who had survived or kind of buckled themselves yeah those guys that buckled yeah yeah for when there's one guy pointing yeah what the like mouth open yeah what was that what was he pointing at What was he pointing at?
00:47:56
Speaker
And why did he look like that? And why did we only get that one shot? Was it just like a random jump scare for the sake of that? To me, logically speaking, someone dies. yeah And especially because these guys weren't in water at all. They were actually... So how is your arm staying up like that? Because, hey, when you die, i'm but i'm from what I said, don't know. haven't died yet. so When you die, like your arm's supposed to your buses go limp. not going to get rigor mortis like that. You're not going to get rigor mortis.
00:48:22
Speaker
Unless he was like... Unless, because the thing was moving, you know, like he put the water in and putting the water in. So maybe he was hanging down. It would still be here. Yeah, it would still be more up.
00:48:36
Speaker
then they were born unless see um Well, oh he was strapped in too. So he could have been strapped in and he was going straight then all of them would have been doing that though too. But then all of them would have been doing that and only that one guy was. Yeah. But, um... I don't know. A lot of issues like that. A lot of small things. Small things. I'm like, okay, so yeah, hey, I'll remember that. Or hey, he was pointing at something the screen and then there'll be callback later on to the movie because nothing. They don't show what he's pointing at. They shut. Yeah, it just felt like this movie was long for the sake of being really
Fan Service vs. Plot Cohesion
00:49:03
Speaker
long. Yes. To be honest. And also there was a lot of like, especially like,
00:49:06
Speaker
going to the first act of the second act where angel blasted sets tom cruise free or ethan hunt free yeah and he's this connection to the connection and like they just give him quote words or a necklace and like oh yeah i trust you fully holy like yeah don't eat eat well that was kind of frustrating for me because like uh so uh hannah waddington who uh she did her american accent was great she sounded just like sigourney weaver so the girl who's in is that the girl who's in um pet lasso yeah she was she was awesome like but i was like damn she's barely in this movie like that kind of sucks like it's like it's like okay this movie spent a lot of money getting her there and then um um tramell uh trillman i think is his name i can't remember but he's in severance uh the black dude who's in charge of the the summer yeah and he's fucking awesome and stuff but i was like damn i he's barely in this movie like in Like, that sucks. He's like, hey, I need you to do this.
00:50:00
Speaker
Oh, you came in here looking for trouble when you came to the right place. no I was like, cool, okay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but like, and like, I don't know. But like, there're those two being in there, it's like, we're going to put as many faces that people want to see in this movie and like that just extended it.
00:50:15
Speaker
longer and then you have the eight minutes of silence while he's doing all that and stuff so it's like we could have we could have been a little snippy don't get me wrong I love seeing people I know from other other prop like uh like uh like stuff like pop culture stuff like in movies that I'm watching and stuff and like they did a good job but I was like okay they need a more important role throughout the movie yeah well also and the movie maybe we can cut some time around around it you know another thing when Tom Cruise in a suburb and I say to you in a movie um like when he's opening up and he's letting water in, yeah he's a reason that bitch keeps like turning over because you're letting in water sink in from worse places and it's getting more unsettled. I was like, why the fuck are you letting the water in? He's carrying weights that way. Just loud enough for me to hear it, you went, shut the fucking door. It's like you're like shut the door when you go into an unwet room. Exactly. It's like no more hours come in. You don't have that extra weight and just turns over because exactly it's hanging off the edge of a cliff. Which to me honest, know man I guess maybe cold water is a little bit more tougher. like
00:51:18
Speaker
bottom level you know the molecules are probably like bounded closer together because like that's what ice is they're like that's what makes it solid and stuff not a scientist but that's what i was taught in like eighth grade or whatever the fuck like so don't know i don't know i just think just think all this is to say that a lot of this movie this movie specifically it felt more Like, almost three hours of fan service. We're going to, quote-unquote, wrap it up yeah with callbacks. And old characters. New characters of people from other pop culture that you like.
00:51:57
Speaker
And he's going to actually save the entire world and just so instead of just a part of the world. and And people are going to eat that shit up so we can...
00:52:09
Speaker
skimp on the actual plot and details of this movie, which is something that the Mission Impossible movies... Did not do... Have not done before all of the movies.
00:52:20
Speaker
Even fucking 2, which sucks ass. And this movie's way better than 2. I'm not going back on that. Don't worry. um At least everything made sense and like worked.
00:52:31
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And put put stuff forward without taking too long. yes And stuff like that. But here's the thing. ah And I will say this one my most... what it probably pissed me off the but the last quarter act more than any of the movie and it was the fact how Gabriel died yeah that was brutal as fuck very brutal but like I was like it It made me angry just because I'm like, Ethan should have killed this this guy. Yeah. or well the Or the Asian chick should have killed this guy.
00:53:04
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Paris should have. Absolutely. Absolutely. She should have. He dies because like he's like, oh, okay, I'm gone. See you next time, Ethan. And he just like. headbutts himself into the back rotor and it was like splits his head in half that was even's fault because he undid his belt and he couldn't get it do he couldn't do it again so ethan did that like ethan was the one that like unlocked him from like his seat belt in the plane and then started making the plane turn yeah and stuff because he's like i'm gonna hold on to this shit way better than he is so he'll probably go but it was pretty random brutal like okay he's just gone now where he just like he lets go because he has the parachute and he just like yeah doing and just like okay so he's dead the guy laughed and then you laughed and so i said out loud when i was thinking it was like jesus like It's like, God damn. that So that dude just gone. himself. And that was crazy. And like, that was, that was a very like, uh, what's the word?
00:54:04
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What's the phrase? Unceremonious death or the, the human, bad guy of what's supposed to be the end of the franchise yeah you know like it's like should have felt a little more dramatic should have felt a little more like somebody is doing this and they're justified in doing it rather than just happenstance he let go at the wrong time and you know gets caught yeah and i absolutely think i agree with you paris should have been the one to kill yes awesome because at the very beginning she says they're like oh ethan wants him alive and she's like well i want him dead yes exactly and then ethan lets her like say hey yo kill him kill him kill him and then yeah he's like but then her gun is like she needs to reload her gun she's like kill him now kill and and another thing too about the airplane scene that like kind upset me a lot upset me it was like yo okay where'd that come from but where's ethan's parachute come from i mean i know was in the sea but hear me out don't
00:54:57
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both planes were going upside down, side side, back and forth multiple times. How does this parachute like just so happen to stay in there yeah and they have an extra parachute for whatever or fucking reason, plot, i but besides plot, I don't understand why, yeah but you have an extra plane just to take care of that next person. I mean. So one,
00:55:21
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So there's two planes because Gabriel says, I want two planes. And so the other guy goes with him and they're like, well, we can't let them have a plane. So they're separate. but Uh, and then, but the seal is actually like jackets. So I guess you had have to have one for each seat. three yeah So that way you have to one for both, but you have one, you have one for each. So there's four total. Cause there's two seats per plane.
00:55:42
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So you have one for each seat. Cause Ethan gets it from the front seat, yeah not the driver's seat in the back. i'm a I'm, again, defending this these weird little things that they didn't do a good job. I would say it probably makes sense in a plane like that that ah it's, like, hooked in there pretty good. And when you put it on, once you get it strapped into you, it's easy to take out. Like, there's, like, a couple other things you have to take off to get it on you.
00:56:09
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So i'll get I'll forgive him for that. But there's a lot of other... more like important like well why is this happening that doesn't really make sense kind of a vibe in this movie um yeah i don't know i'm gonna say i don't want to keep dogging on it because i did enjoy it i enjoy it do think it's better than a lot i would say it's probably like below middle pack i'll probably put it better than four Yeah, I would agree with that. That's kind of what I was thinking. but A little bit better than Yeah. As far as just like, hey. Let's do, give me your final, allegedly, Mission Impossible list, and I'll give you mine.
00:56:49
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So. Based on what we said last episode, a.k.a. four hours to get at this point. Three, still number one. Six.
00:57:00
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One, just because of, start it all, and it is a great espionage movie. Seven.
00:57:06
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Seven.
00:57:10
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I struggle with four and five. I see which one I like more. I'm going to say four because I just love that Dubai scene a lot. Yeah. good thing Then five. No, the four. Actually, shit.
00:57:24
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Four, seven, five, and then two. Oh, and then eight. I got to put eight there. Yeah, eight. Where's eight?
00:57:32
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Okay, let me start over. Three. Mm-hmm.
00:57:36
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Seven. Mm-hmm. One. Mm-hmm.
00:57:42
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Eight. Four, five.
00:57:47
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I skipped six. Did you mean to say six instead of seven at number two? Sorry. One more time. Last time, guys. Last time. Here we go. This is Mission Impossible three. Yes.
00:57:59
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yeah Fallout. Fallout. Number six. Fallout number six. Then one. Okay. Then seven. Eight.
00:58:12
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four and five before five and two four or five two yeah okay um yeah that's honestly not too far off from where i'm at now um i am now at um um six is number one fallout number one then i'm gonna say uh earlier uh last episode wink uh last episode i said uh seven uh nope not anymore uh
00:58:42
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six 6 Fallout. Then I'm going to say...
00:58:49
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that one's not going to move up that much. Then I'm going to say 1. Okay. So one jump two spots for you now. Yeah, I like the... Well, no, that was my third one. those first one No, it's 2. Yeah, so 2. That one from 3 to 2 because I like the De Palma feel and everything and it sets everything in motion. um
00:59:08
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Then Rogue Nation...
00:59:14
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Then seven.
00:59:18
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Then Ghost Protocol.
00:59:22
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Then eight. And then two. If you got three. Oh, three See, it's a lot when you're hearing it. I it's eight. Three is right after Rogue Nation.
00:59:33
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Okay. So... So it's four. So six... Yeah, it's my four. So six, one, five... Four. Then three. Three. Four...
00:59:46
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Wait, we're seven. No, seven. God damn, this is hard. Seven. ah Seven. fa ah four, and then two. Yeah. yeah Wait.
00:59:58
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ah still I still feel like I missed one. We'll release I'll put I'll put it in the show notes or something. Yeah, but anyway, um this one, the point being for me, I had it it two. i had seven at two and was hoping it'd be the Dune situation where I'm like, okay, so this is my one of my favorites.
01:00:20
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um But eight was... Again, not a letdown, but disappointing. It was still an enjoyable movie, but it knocked Seven back because he was obviously Seven was a buildup. yes But I think Seven was a better made movie. The plot holes were seemingly non-existent, and it just felt better, and everybody did things that made more sense than in this one. It also didn't waste any time. like like I feel like my biggest problem with Eight is... ah We didn't get as many like we didn't get as many crazy like we're here. Here's a crazy scene. We're here. There's a crazy scene. Like it was like it starts.
01:01:00
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We have our scenes. Everything's fine. And then the one crazy scene is just the submarine, which was like the whole second act. And then the end of the movie. And then the third act and everything is resolved.
01:01:12
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You know i mean Yeah. It felt like three hours of what a normal action thriller movie looks like. Yes. I will say three has some of the best running again, dude. Again? Yes. Absolutely. Tom Cruise doing his running. he ran good in this one. first scene The first movie or like it's the first act where he's trying to get to Luther. Great running scene. And then when he's running in the field trying to catch Gabriel's plane. Yep. That's another great running scene.
01:01:33
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he had some great He had some great running in this one. I guarantee he got coached at some point of how's like how to run. Especially in a suit, too. Here's something. Running in short shorts, I guess you can't see it. Don't hurt yourself. Running in shorts is a whole different thing. Or tights.
01:01:52
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running in like short it's a whole different thing or like tight Then running in a fucking jogger. Yeah. suit with a jacket. A suit, a full blown suit with the jacket on. Yeah. It's going to be fucking difficult. Also like, I don't know. And maybe I'm wrong.
01:02:09
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And probably not because I guess I've seen actual modern day media a lot too. Everybody wears suits all the fucking time. Like every agent and... Yeah. like That's James Bond. yeah That's James Bond. yeah now We've had James Bond movies since the 60s. So you're doing a spy movie.
01:02:26
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There's going to be a scene where everybody involved needs to get really dressed up and and do that scene. Which every single one of these movies has. yes Where it's like you have to infiltrate some bougie party you've got to be in a suit.
01:02:38
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No matter what. So it is what it is. we're going to wrap this up. We're hour. I know. But guys, I'm glad that we get this. I will say hope this does not take us another six years or five years to do another. Yeah, there's no way this is the end. We're going
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01:02:56
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to get something else. Well, I'm talking about just you mean doing another bad movie. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. It's been five years something like that. Yeah, it's a while. It's been a while.
01:03:02
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I also will say that now I am the leader besides Jacob Abel on his podcast. Yeah, you've been in the most episode five and so mountain episodes. been in the most episodes now. To my name now. That's
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01:03:12
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100% true. And we're going to be back. ah Actually, you're going to be back very soon because ah we got to talk about ah ah we're going to do one of the Fantastic Four movies. Oh, yes. Like in the next month when that when that one comes out, we were going to do that.
01:03:24
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Like, we had planned to do that, and then you were like, let's do this Mission Impossible thing, and I was like, fuck yeah, we'll do this. So, like, yeah, so you'll be back right before the new witch has the White Widow in it. So, hey. So, got Vanessa Kirby in it. That's all the same thing.
01:03:38
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Also, Piston see her in this movie at all, either, too. Yeah, like, like she ended, like, all last time we saw her, she had but when she was, like, drugged, and Kitridge was taking care of her. i guess there was I guess there was nothing to be brokerage. guess, but then Kitridge was, like, there was the whole thing with, like, Kitridge being, like,
01:03:52
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um One last night. Ketri was
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01:03:55
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like, oh, like, because she's like pretending to, ah ah Grace is pretending to be her and she's like, oh, like, blah blah blah and he's like you're being weird and stuff it's like you know I only deal with you this way because of like the deal your mom and us had and it's like okay so here's a bunch of stuff and she's just not even in this movie at all like i don't know they missed the mark on this one but it was still better than two and an enjoyable movie very incredible very incredible movie yeah but bye guys watch all the Mission Impossible movies they're all worth watching especially two because then they're they'll never get worse than that um we did it have fun guys bye bye bye