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Eight Legged Freaks with Jack Rossberger - The Spoof That Almost Worked
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First of all, spiders are the worst. Anyway, listen to Jack and I as we debate one of his favorite movies from childhood! There's some good and bad, but we may have figured out how to fix this one!
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Introduction to 'Bad Movie Debate'
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um We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you some breaking news. There's been reports all over the area of something crazy going on. Something big. People's homes, their minds even, are being taken over by something called... What is it they're calling it? They're calling it Bad Movie ja Debate!
Meet the Hosts: Jacob Babb and Jack Rosberger
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What up, nerds? It's me, Jacob Babb, for Bad Movie Debate here to talk about another is-it-good, is-it-bad kind of movie. um You know it, you love it, we'll get to it.
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ah But with me today, I have Jack Rosberger. Say, what up? What up? Thanks for having me. first person, I think, to actually say what I tell you to say. I'm always like, say hi, and they're like, what up? And i'm like, that's not right. Or I'm like, say what up Maybe they just want to say what up. I don't know.
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I don't know. But you're the this is going well. You're already doing what I tell you to do. Perfect. I'm here to abide to the rules.
Nostalgia Dive: 'Eight-Legged Freaks'
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There you um Okay, so we're doing eight-legged freaks today, which when you messaged me, when I was like, hey, I got to get you on, and you were like,
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You're like, oh, have you done Eight-Legged Freaks? I was kind of surprised that I hadn't come across it yet. I was like, no, we haven't done that yet. Like, yeah, we absolutely need to do that. um This is a bit of a nostalgia movie for you, right? 100%. 100%. I born in 97 and came out the summer of 2002.
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it was like...
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came out the summer of thousand two so it was like the summer hit back then and it scared me shitless, a little five-year-old self. Yeah. Um, the CGI held up back then, but we we'll talk about that. I just watched it last night for the first time in well over a decade. And I was like, it's funny. We'll get to the reviews, but like in a lot of the reviews, like from the time they're like, Oh,
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like computer effects look great special effects look great and I'm just like man I mean it was over 20 years ago I guess so um but I thought I did not read any of the reviews uh so I'm very curious to go through those choice choice uh quotes I always pick the best the most brutal bad quote uh from a review and whatever like good review like is like is like oh that's kind of well put well i'm sure there's lots of great reviews because it's mostly great yeah great movie um so we're doing uh eight-legged freaks like we established um this is definitely a um big monster movie movie for the genre uh so we're gonna do our top five uh so we can you know as we always do establish a little bit of a pedigree we know what we're talking about here when it comes to these kind of movies um so we're going to about some good ones for a second because this one's not good.
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that's my That's my stance on this one. um
Top Five Monster Movies
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You go first. Go ahead and tell me all top five. You can do them in a specific order not. and I'm curious kind of the flavor you you went with here. um cause i got some bangers on here. You got some bangers? Absolutely. I have my handy-dandy journal. um Yeah. Shout out ah Michael and ah Zach.
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I feel like one other person I'm forgetting, but they were there they also had handwritten notes. That's crazy. It's the way to go. It's the way to go. i don't have these in order, but I'm going to look through this. So I'll just start at number five.
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Cool. Okay. I'm going to say... I have a some new school. Okay. some Some old school. Okay, same. Like, Eight-Legged Freaks era. ah So, I would say number five on my list here is The Meg with Jason Statham. Yeah, dude.
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That was a good movie. That one, see... I agree with Jason Statham on that one because when he signed up for it, he already signed the contract. He was told it was going to be an R-rated gore fest and it was going to be like way more brutal. Interesting. I think, but it during production somehow or like post-production, they toned it down to make it PG-13 and he was like, kind of like bummed out about that. He was like, no, like we had all this great stuff and like, it's not in there. Yeah. I think it would have been better if it was just R rated. They just, if it was more like jaws level, it's already just such a ridiculous like idea for a movie. And like, no one's going in there looking for like, like they're not going in there looking for like the OG Jurassic park kind of vibes where it's like, it actually kind of makes sense. And there's like a philosophy here.
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just want to see a big shark eat a bunch of people, you know, that's bigger than jaws, you know? Yeah. hundred percent. So, but I do love, I had a great time in theaters with that movie. So that's a great choice. I, I, yeah, I didn't see it in theaters. I saw it with my family. It was just like, don't Thanksgiving or Christmas. And yeah, we we always like just scour the previews for like an hour straight. And then we settled on the Meg and I felt like the buildup was really, really solid. Yeah, the story is actually done very well. All the acting is really good. Rainn Wilson is a piece of shit. He's such a fuck in that movie. forgot he was in that. crazy, dude. like When he first showed up, I was like, oh, cool. like He's going to be the funny guy, maybe? And he was like, no, he's a straight up asshole. yeah But he did a really good job with it. He did. And the build up to see the Meg in full was was really solid. um So I would say that's my number five. um
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We get to number four here. um I would say Godzilla vs. Kong. ah The new one. The 2021. And the only reason I say that, and I think a lot of my list is based around like the big moment yeah of of seeing a big monster. Yeah, like when you get it. yeah and like the scene where Godzilla and Kong are just duking it out yeah for like an hour and a half just like punching each other in the mouth yeah and like blast and like Godzilla's doing his thing yeah and then out of nowhere the Mecca Godzilla hit comes out and just starts blasting the city and then calling and Godzilla just kind of had like some telepathy and they're like oh
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we gotta fucking sky like hey he's top of the food chain yeah like we're destroying the city because we hate each other this guy's just trying to hurt people yeah right that's not really our bag like we have personal issues and we're killing a bunch of people versus like and they're like but the you know the the lesser of two evils kind of a situation they like we gotta get this it's yeah yeah that one's awesome dude Yeah, so Mechagodzilla is why this movie is on the list. Pretty solid movie in general, but just loved that moment. Yeah, I loved all i love i've loved all of the new MonsterVerse movies that they've done.
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They've done a really good job, and I have another one on the list here, actually. So number three is Kong Skull Island with Tom Hiddleston. Another new school movie. Really loved it, though. Yeah.
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I think mostly because of just the cinematography. Yeah. And then the, like, it felt like you're back in like the 1940s. It was like 1940s, 50s. Yeah, the tone. They did a good job with the, because it does, it takes, that's when it takes place, right? Yeah. Yeah. They don't modernize the timeline. It's kind of like around World War II or maybe like the. Yeah, there's some war stuff. stuff going on there's some more stuff like a war photographer of a vibe and things yeah so it does take place like kind of in the standard like the original yeah and then it had a little sci-fi twist at the end there uh with like the underworld so yeah yeah yeah the uh the hollow earth uh kind yeah yeah which if you know you know that's a crazy conspiracy to be just like in modern day like thought and like in the zeitgeist like that's insane that
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People just know about that because it's in movies now, but that's a whole different discussion. hold different pause yeah It's just weird. yeah yeah Oh, this is just in tv in movies now, like all the time. yeah yeah Regardless. I yeah love that movie. Just love the vibe of it. Just the visuals, and the visual effects.
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And it felt like it was like the... that first coming ah of the new monster movies. yeah I may be wrong. So the first one was Godzilla with, um, Brian Cranston. Oh yeah. Yeah. And Elizabeth Olsen and, uh, Millie Bobby Brown.
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Uh, that was the first one. And then that one was okay. That one. I liked that one a good bit. Um, it's not, it's not as good as like once they like actually start fighting each other and stuff like those ones are all okay. Yeah. Monsters Godzilla King of the monsters. The second Godzilla one's fucking terrible.
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Yeah, i don't think I've seen that one. zach ah Zach North and I did that because he's a big Godzilla Kong fan. Nice. And ah I won that debate. And he knew going in he was like he was like, this movie's absolute ass compared to the rest of them. He's like, but I'm going to do my best. And he did a good job. It was was like, there there's some moments, but overall, it's just very silly.
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um And then Kong, um but Kong Skull Island, i the first time I watched it, I don't know. how i say this how do i how i say this um i'm curious your thoughts well it was like the first time i saw it i was definitely being i guess the only way to put it is the truth i was being like a pretentious asshole about it um when i first saw it and i was like oh it's doing too much it's trying to say all these days i was like thinking about it too much and it's like there's too many like storylines going on like brie larson has hers and
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tom hiddleston has his yeah yeah jackson has his so like oh it's about war it's about this it's about that like and all these things all clashing together and then the second time i watched it i just turned my brain off and was just like just watched the movie and enjoyed it and i was like no this movie rocks yeah no was like actually this movie fucking slaps and all all the shit i was bitching about is not as in your face as i was forcing it to be so i love that i'm glad you came around i love that you came around a great movie So two in one, we're getting we're getting
Analyzing 'Eight-Legged Freaks'
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serious here. OK, these are the bangers.
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Anaconda 1997 with Jennifer Lopez and Ice Cube. OK, I was actually between Eight Legged Freaks and this movie. anacondo But I but my memory of Anaconda is it is just a better movie. Yeah. So, and to my surprise, like, i didn't even notice, you know, i was watching the trailers. I was, like, making this list, and I was like, oh, my God, Jennifer Lopez is in it. Yeah. Ice Cube.
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ah I think Owen Wilson's in it, too. I think so. I mean, it was just, like... sort like It's been so i think he like dies probably early or something. He wasn't like in the top five actors. Yeah, because he also wasn't like, he wasn't like, wow, Owen Wilson. Like, yeah, yeah. like Right. At that point, like when that came out. So it was probably. He was up and coming. He was like straight out of acting school. Yeah, was one of his earlier roles. So he like, he definitely got.
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yeah Yeah, he is. He got off early for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's been a while. A lot of people died it. But love that movie. Anaconda. Wow. I would argue that. that cgi is actually better than yeah um not trying to shit on my own movie here yeah but but it's uh it was pretty impressive it's just crazy how that happens sometimes where like older movies have better cgi like the newer ones sometimes like i mean that still happens to this day but you know it does classic the classic example is uh that everyone pop culture knows about is like dead man's chess with oh my god
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the CGI in that it's just like yeah blows. It's new movies out of the water to this day. Some of the best like, yeah, crazy Jones. God. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of is funky.
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Uh, so number one, and i was just taking a gander at your books here. You do have the book War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds? Oh, the Tom Cruise one? With Tom Cruise. I've never seen the OG. So the OG one, um it's ah has it's important and it is very good.
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The Tom Cruise one is much more of a thrilling ride for sure. it's I remember seeing that one. Yeah. I don't remember when it came out, but like definitely like too young. I think I wrote it down. I think it came out in 2004. 2004? so I would have been like fourth grade. Oh, I didn't write down, no.
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Well, regardless, it was definitely in like elementary school went like around when it came out when I saw it. Yeah. and Oh, that movie freaked me the fuck out, dude. but it was i Yeah, I really, really liked that one.
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That one's awesome, because I think that one... No, I think it's the same in both. But um yeah, that one is, speaking of good CGI, like that one all looked really good. They also did a lot of practical effects, I remember, for like certain smaller moment scenes and stuff.
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That one was awesome. And the way they built the monster, like the ships in it, because like the ships in the OG one are pretty 1950s goofy, kind of looking by the time. yeah like Whoa, mind-blowing. But like the fact that they're like giant walking things added a layer unsettlingness that... like was really awesome. Scared the shit out of me as a kid. um And rightfully so. Yeah. This whole list was just based on like, I'm not a movie critic.
00:12:53
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This was just straight up feeling. Oh, yeah. um For sure. lot of nostalgia involved. But man, where the world's like. Yeah. That whole scene when they're like in the basement. was like housing them.
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Oh, man. I think I want to watch it. I think that's the scene I'm thinking about where there was some practical in there that made it just really good because like the arm comes through the window oh yeah yeah ah that's a fucking good yeah and then uh it showed that like how evil humans are like who's the real oh yeah because of the guy that was like housing them oh yeah i can't actually remember correctly but yeah and then those like i sucked i remember they sucked really bad and then ah yeah just generally like them like running away from this massive monster yeah the the way they walked like
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I don't think I'll ever forget like yeah seeing that and just being like, what the fuck is this? And was like, oh, there's an older one? I watched that and I was like, well, that's good. but this one's might be a little better. Yeah.
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but Making this list makes me want to go back and watch some these movies. Oh, I, one of mine, I watched eight legged freaks and then immediately watched a one on my list. Cause I was like, man, it's been a lot since I've seen that, but like, nice and it was like, God, it is, is way different. Um, well let's hear them. Um, so I'll, I'll start with that one. Uh, no particular order for me. yeah Um, the mist, um,
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yeah god that was in my name that movie that was in my notables bro i almost made the list good lord i was like man it's been a minute since i've seen it and i was like oh i have a copy of that like i have a 4k copy of that like i'm gonna i'm gonna put that on like as soon as i got done with eight-legged freaks i was like um i was like well i had to shit on that one and like there's you know a good bit to shit on uh kind of a thing and i was like didn't know what was good one that that's that it's gonna be on my list how was how was the watch oh
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i I mean, i you will you can't ever forget the ending of that movie. I know. But like the the little moments like building up to the end and stuff, like just like all the scenes with the crazy like religious lady in the supermarket and stuff, like certain moments with her and stuff. I was like.
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i'd I'd leave too. like She is so scary. like like it like Kind of like the like, well, what's worse? like And they're like, well, we're just going to go. and then If you know the ending, you know. i don't want to talk about it. like so Austin is not a big horror movie fan. I was like talking to her about it today. and I was like, well, I'm just going to tell you all of it because you'll never watch it.
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And she was like, oh my god. And I was like, yeah, it's an incredible movie. And she was like, no. She was like, that sounds fucking awful. And I was like, I mean, it is. And like, a great like filmmaking way like kind of a thing it might be one of the most devastating endings of a movie ever yeah and i didn't um it's so fucked up i mean but it's one of the best stephen king endings he has he's written so many books he has a hard time yeah sticking the landing and stuff uh this one absolutely did uh this one's gut rich i i like the ending i i think it's so good it it
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it made the movie what it is oh yeah it wouldn't be the mist without no no let's just say if they all got out they would have been like yeah whatever um but uh crazy the addition i have i didn't realize there's also a black and white version Really? like And I was like, because was looking at it, was like, why are there two discs for the 4K and two discs for the Blu-ray? It's usually just one and one.
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Yeah. And I was like, oh, wait, this is a black and white one. And I was like, I'm let it sit. I was like, I'll watch the color, but I'm like, I was watching it and i was like, this would hit really hard in black and white. Oh, yeah. Like, super eerie. Like, it'd be a very atmospheric movie. Yeah, because it's like it's kind of got like, and I think that's what he was going for. Well, not to analyze this one too much but like it has kind of like the big movie monster small town like 1950s kind of thing but it's like modernized like it's not exactly copy and paste uh yeah but it's like heavily inspired by that obviously uh which this movie is too eight-legged freaks and we'll talk about how they didn't do right but we'll get there um well so like seeing it in black and white i think would be would feel nice but i digress um
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So this one is actually in this movie on the TV in the kids' bedroom. Them, the giant ant movie. Them, an exclamation point. Okay. it's a It's literally giant ants take over a small town. I've never seen it direct inspiration to this movie for sure.
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um I've never it. a while since I've seen it. um But it's it's one of the first, like... um Oh, like some weird stuff's going on. And for some reason, all these ants are like growing into giant monsters and they're terrorizing the small town and like they can't get help.
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but So it came after Freaks. Yeah. Oh, no, this is from the 50s. Oh, this is like one of the first. OK, I ever did it. ah Love it. And it's just it's want to see that. I was super well, it's all not existing. It's all practical, which is which is nice, you know, and like but it's it's kind of goofy, but like it takes itself pretty seriously.
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Which we'll get more into it with eight legged freaks. Why i had some issues with it. Um, like this, them, like they take it themselves seriously. And like, whenever I watch old movies like that, i always like to remind myself, like, like at the time that this came out, you couldn't get better than this.
00:18:20
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Like this is a full Hollywood production. They're doing the best they can. And it would have scared the shit out of you at the time. If you were in the fifties and saw that in the theaters, it would have fucked you up. When, um, when people first saw a train coming towards the camera in a theater, they ran out of the theater because they were like, a train is on the way. Like, you know what I mean? Like there was like our brains didn't comprehend like images like that. We definitely comprehend more. just Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:18:46
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how advanced movies are yeah exactly like it it's kind of like the star wars effect when star wars came out everyone's minds were just oh yeah absolutely and um and rightly so well then he went and fucking put a bunch of cgi in the 90s in there and was like this was the original vision and everyone's like what this this looks we're not it's not worse go back to miniatures dude yeah dude like it's so much better it's so much yeah but again i digress um so the mist and them and then uh a troll hunter have you ever seen never seen it now so it's a norwegian film and it's literally about people making a documentary trying to like hunt trolls like and it's it's like funny um it's pretty funny and like it's not like it's like a mockumentary style and
00:19:38
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it's been a while since I've seen it, but like, I don't think they take themselves too seriously with it. Like, I think it's supposed to be like a horror comedy and they, they just, they just kind of nail it. Like there's some spooky or some like, like once you actually see the troll and he starts doing shit, it's kind of, it's like, Oh fuck.
00:19:55
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Like big troll. It's huge. Okay. It's massive. Like, and I think part of it is like, they were, they're not sure if it's going to be big or small because like, you know, there's trolls that are like teeny tiny and stuff, but then there are like legends of giant trolls and stuff, but they're just like, it's kind of like a, like a mockumentary of like people going on like a paranormal, like cryptic, like Bigfoot hunting, but they're, but their thing is trolls and ah Norway.
00:20:20
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So like, but it's like very funny, but also like, holy shit like this. It's, it's a great, great movie. It sounds good. I highly recommend that one. Sounds good. Um, And then I have um ah Underwater with Kristen Stewart.
00:20:35
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I've never seen it either. That one is good. So i as I talked about earlier, I've already done big monster movies with Zach because we did a Godzilla movie. So i was trying to like... Mix it up. I wasn't trying to repeat. Yeah, yeah. going to say Blob and the original Godzilla again. Is that one fairly newer, I'm assuming? Underwater, I want to say, is like 2015 to 16 or something. It's way past Twilight. Got you. Kristen Stewart.
00:20:57
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um But that one's awesome. Because it's like... What's the big monster? So it's like a Cthulhu, Lovecraftian type monster. Because they're like oh they're like researchers like in like a research like center that's like under like on the bottom of the ocean kind of a thing. And it's like it literally starts...
00:21:19
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And within five minutes, like, shit is going south already. So, like, the pacing is insane. It's like there's no slow buildup and stuff. Like, there's buildup to see the monster, like, to actually see the, like, Cthulhu-type monster and stuff. And they, like, don't know exactly what's going on. But, like, shit's going wrong. It's like, we have So you get into it quickly. Yeah, like, literally, Yeah, the pacing just... Like, she's, like, walking down the hallway doing her job. but And then all of a sudden, like...
00:21:44
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like boom, like, Oh, there's a breach. Like there's a leak and stuff. Like, where is everybody? Oh my God, people died in the breach. Like we have to go here. Like, and like, did and then like, it slows down a bit, but it's like, it's a lot of gas, but like,
00:21:57
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Not in the way that some of the newer Fast and Furious movies are, where it's just all gas, and when it slows down, it's like you have to slow things down. They slow it down in a way that's a little better written, a little more meaningful feeling. You got me curious. It's super good. I feel like maybe I've seen this or seen clips of it.
00:22:18
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and Kristen Stewart has like really short blonde hair, like a buzz cut blonde. a kind of hair going on. And I want to say TJ, TJ Miller is in it. And he actually does a really good job.
00:22:30
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I feel like this movie, I like walked in on it half. Oh yeah. Something. Yeah. it' It'd be hard to tell because like, it's literally like all action. and Yeah. It's very good though. I highly recommend that one.
00:22:42
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And then the last one I got is a super eight. Super eight. Yeah. Oh yeah. I movie rocks, dude. Dang. I didn't think of that one. It's a, it's been a hot minute since I've seen it, but like that was like, you know, JJ has been doing a thing, doing his thing for a while and stuff, but that's the one that's like, Oh, he grew up wanting to be Steven Spielberg.
00:23:04
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that's such a steven spielberg like goonies meets close encounters like kind of a vibe in a way that is because it's like a bunch of kids like trying to like yeah help the big monster because like it's like not necessarily like it's like it's so goonies and i think steven spiel i watched that as a kid and i didn't understand it it's so good yeah it's so good i think it may have been too like would you say intellectual Oh, I said pretentious. Oh, okay. i was i was being a pretentious fuck because I was in college and I was into movies and was like, um like being I was being a bitch. Yeah, but I saw it.
00:23:41
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I think I saw it in theaters as a kid and I just remember coming out. i was a smart kid, but I just remember like not really understanding it. um It is. I want to rewatch that. It's... it's it's um It did. I've watched it like a couple of times and like I got much more out of it like after not watching it for a while. Like I saw it pretty I don't think I saw it in theaters but like pretty soon after it was released like you could watch it at home and I don't think I watched it again for like a good like five or six years and I was like oh wow this movie is like yeah like I liked it the first time but I was like oh this is even much more than I like.
00:24:18
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Yeah, that's the sense I get. Yeah, it's very much like a kid like ah kid will watch it and be like, and be like oh yeah, like these kids are going on this adventure and then like you grow up a little bit, have a little more life experience and you're like, wow, this is like crazy. like What's going on? What they're doing right now kind of a thing.
00:24:34
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um I need to watch that one again. It's been a really long time since I've seen it at this point. But that movie, yeah, it's just so Spielberg coded. and youre Back to Spielberg. Wasn't where of the World of Worlds Spielberg? am i It was either...
00:24:46
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it was either
00:24:49
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It might have been. I think it might have been. I need to double check because it's either him or Ron Howard because Ron Howard was doing a bunch of stuff that in that yeah look it up. I'm curious. War of the Worlds 2005. See, I would have been in fifth grade.
00:25:05
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Yeah, Steven Spielberg did that one. yeah nice Nice. Yeah, which explains why it was so fucking good. Because that movie is It's crazy how good that movie is. um Okay, great.
00:25:16
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ah So, yeah. So, we both know what the fuck we're talking about. um Got all kinds of stuff. I didn't even think about Anaconda for some reason. don't know how. Like, that movie fucking slaps. Yeah, the movie's incredible. It's so good. And, like, you're right. Better CGI than the movie we're actually here to talk about. Which is...
00:25:35
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Scary? Oh, oh that's a great question. Yeah. um But it's fine. ah we'll We'll get to it. But first, yeah we got to hit them ratings. We got to get that Rotten Tomatoes and all that shit real quick. Let's do it. And then we can really get down it. Yeah. You're just framing your your arguments with these reviews. Here's the thing about the ratings. I was kind of shocked about how the ratings went on this one. so Nine times out of ten, people who listen regularly and stuff, like you'll you'll know.
00:26:05
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Rotten Tomatoes with these movies, it's usually like, yeah, the critics don't love it. The audience likes it more. IMDb is usually always right in the middle between 6.0 and 7.0 no matter what it is. think I remember it being a 5.5 on IMDb. It's a 5.5 on IMDb, which is one of the lowest on IMDb I've seen, which is great.
00:26:23
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which I thought was weird. I will say like, I'm arguing against it, but i still thought that was kind of weird that like this average um IMDb user wasn't like, yeah, it was fun. Like, right. And then, um, Rotten Tomatoes, 48% from critics, which I thought was high for like the, like people who get paid to like talk about movies. 33% on the popcorn meter. The audience hated this movie a whole 15% more than the critics did, which I think is insane. So like, that's a weird. Let's talk about the ratings for a second.
00:26:53
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Thank you. The internet popped off in like 2000. Okay. And this came out in 2002. And two and they once the internet became not just like weird random forums where people were talking about stuff I'm not going to talk about on the movie internet. Yeah. you were going to the movies summer of 2002, I want to know what you thought yeah leaving the theater. That's true.
00:27:15
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Because. That's true. Are people watching it now? And they're just like, oh, so yeah. Some like users. There were some like more. ah Like just like Rotten Tomatoes, like audience, like reviews on there that were definitely from, uh, I think all the reviews, if not most of them, uh, most of them, if not all of them rather, um, or from like when it came out, ah but from the top critics, but I think a lot of the audience one, cause it said like 10,000 plus.
00:27:45
Speaker
reviews reviews from critics uh specifically and then it was like 10 000 plus for popcorn and so like they relate to the party are like just saw it last week and we're like why do people fucking love this movie so much it's like because i was a young child and i am scared of spiders and nightmares it was crazy because that was good cgi like as far as i knew And then a Metacritic, 53 for their critic scores and user 5.9.
00:28:14
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ah Metacritic's always usually pretty harsh on both sides, I've noticed. um And yeah, that's a little that makes a little more sense to me. little lower from the critic, a little higher from the user is what I was expecting. Yeah, yeah, always. From Black Rotten Tomatoes. that's Especially for a movie like this. Yeah, it's...
00:28:31
Speaker
it's It's weird. The Rotten Tomatoes score on this one I thought was very weird. But again, it was literally like 10,000 plus. People just don't understand it. They just don't get it. Well, we'll see. um So our good quote here.
00:28:43
Speaker
um i always love when these bad movies have good quotes from ah Robert Ebert. The Robert Ebert for the Chicago Sun-Times. Chicago. ah Both of these are from Chicago. Go Cubs.
00:28:54
Speaker
ah Go Cubs. I'm also with you on that. um Both of these come from two different Chicago newspapers at the time, the good one and the bad one. So Robert Ebert, though, like um he says, quote, Eight-Legged Freaks is clever and funny, is amused by its special effects, and leaves you feeling like you've seen a movie instead of an endless trailer, end quote.
00:29:13
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So he was like, this isn't just a trailer movie. Like, there's a full story and narrative going on. And um it's amusing. And, like, the special effects, like, work and stuff. Yeah. He was all for He was, like, great. He gave it... He does a four-star. It's, like, what he always did. So he he gave it a three out of four. Which, like, there's movies like... um Like, I mean, i Star Wars, I think he gave a five out it Like, a four out of four. But, like, there's, like...
00:29:38
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ah It's rare. Like, Godfather movies. Like, Godfather Part 3 is, like, three out of four. He's like, it's the worst one, but still the Godfather. like kind of Like, he gives, like... highbrow shit three out of four yeah sometimes and he gave this a three out of four is insane from him too because like that's like that rating scale is a little I know he doesn't really help him he he's weird but don't know yeah and I don't think he does half stars sometimes he does the half star thing but all that um yeah well he he did but yeah he was rest in peace yeah I'm down his fine um all right then our bad quote comes from Michael Wimmington for the Chicago Tribune ah competing newspaper
00:30:16
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In Chicago at the time. Okay. And he wrote, quote, End quote.
00:30:24
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eight legged freaks isn't good or funny enough to reinvigorate that ah reinvigorate the style it can't even maintain its own initial zing end quote So as always, a bad quote from somebody who was very hurt the day he had to write this review. He brought his home personal pain into work and took it out on this movie.
00:30:44
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Yeah. A lot of people worked hard on this movie, Michael. um i think i think they both have something to say about the movie. i think there's some level. think they're both right and wrong at the same time. 100%. It was very polarizing takes yeah by both of them. Yeah. But like.
00:30:59
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ah It's not funny enough to reinvigorate the style. And for me, I'm like, it isn't good or funny enough to reinvigorate the style. And i'm my question is, what style?
00:31:11
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Like, what style is he talking about? Is talking about the classic 1950s small town gets run over by aliens or big monster kind of a thing?
00:31:22
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Because, like, those movies aren't funny. Those movies, especially at the time, were scary. Like, those were horror thriller movies. Yeah. and So, like, they weren't supposed to be funny. And I'm not, like, a a bit... Like, I love movies. I'm not a big movie buff. But it seems like this kind of movie is is somewhat unique in that way. Like, there's not many of them. i need to check on something. um Yeah, you're good.
00:31:44
Speaker
I need to check on something. When did Scary Movie come out? Because Scary Movie is yeah the, like like, that's the original... Ah, nope. So Scary Movie 2 came out in 2001. Okay.
Does 'Eight-Legged Freaks' Blend Horror and Comedy?
00:31:59
Speaker
okay and then so scared this was following kind of the... Scary Movie 1 came out in 2000. All right. So Scary Movie 1 and 2, bangers, obviously. Honestly, all the way to 3. 1, 2, and 3. I don't think i ever saw past 3.
00:32:13
Speaker
All bangers. Yeah. So I think that's the style he's talking about, like the like horror comedy style um where it's kind of like spoofing these type like a certain. Yeah, because they kind of created that style a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. They were the they were the first ones. And again, all of those movies, they're all. Yeah, they're incredible. So fucking funny.
00:32:34
Speaker
um So I think that's what it is. ah But then it can't even maintain its own initial zing. Chill, brother. Like, hey, man, it's zinging left and right. It's zinging all the time. It's all over the goddamn place. don't what this guy's talking about, but yeah it is what it is.
00:32:50
Speaker
um Okay, now it's time for the curveball. ah Okay. The curveball for you. i and I'll let you expound on this however shortly or quickly you would like. um So you're saying it's good and I'm saying it's bad. That's the positions we're taking.
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah. what was your What is your least favorite part about this movie? Where's the thing? um and It can be as simple as like the CGI. like it could It could be that, um which we've even already talked about. But like what's the one thing where you're like, that's kind of hard to defend kind of a thing? that is That's a very good question.
00:33:25
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i would say
00:33:28
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the the writing felt...
00:33:34
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a little all over the place it was like like the little love story I hated the little love story with um I think his name I just watched David Arquette yeah his name is Chris yes he's Chris he's Chris I literally was like I was really like yeah David yeah david yeah literally watched it yeah this time last night I was watching Chris comes into town and he's like I've been wanting to tell you, like he brings flowers to her door. Yeah. I've been wanting to tell you this. And then he gets cut off.
00:34:05
Speaker
And then middle of the movie, he's like, I've been meaning to say this to you. And then he gets cut off the third time. I've been meaning to say this to you. yeah They're like about to die. yeah And then the kid walks up And then at the end of the movie, the spoiler alert, yeah like they kill the spiders and then yeah they just kind of like hug.
00:34:24
Speaker
Well, like, and then it's like over. Well, no, there's the scene where, um, he goes to do it again. He's going to find his aunt Gladys and then like take on like the female yeah weaver.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yep. And, um, She's like, really right now? And he's like, yeah, I might not get the chance. And she's like, I know your father told me the reason you punched my husband in the face is because he was cheating on me, but you didn't want to break up and stuff. And that's why you had to leave town. Your father told me, he's like, what? And he's like, he's like, we'll talk more about it later. And she gives him a kiss.
00:34:50
Speaker
And he's like, well, that was easy. And he walks, yeah he walks out and then, ah It just was like, and it felt like just fast forward inconclusive. i would say that's my biggest gripe about the movie. I'm like, why was this even here? That was one of um one of the negative reviews.
00:35:03
Speaker
Like said, alluded to it in some way. I forget exactly what it said, but it was like, it was like this, like something about like a tired joke, like, like is like yeah distracting basically from the movie. And I was like, yeah, because like as soon as he's like turned to her and he'd have that look on his face, which again,
00:35:20
Speaker
is david arquette being a good and funny actor yeah because like he he'd always turn and look have the same like like look on his face which was good but it was like but the bit's not hitting you know yeah it just felt like underdeveloped and like why do we have a love story in this if you're gonna do a love story in it then just Commit to the bit. Do it But, I mean, it is a funny movie, in my opinion. So, I think then him getting cut off and cut off.
00:35:51
Speaker
And then it was kind of slapstick at the end. i mean, it kind of fits. ah but Well, that's the thing. It's like, it is... It is a part of the, you know, like movies like them and like it came from outer space and like um like all of those kind of movies where it's like small town 1950s, some weird sci fi shits going on.
00:36:13
Speaker
and There's ah there is always like a little bit of like some kind of a love interest, some like 5050 on like it's like, oh, somebody's coming back to town because their dad died and like now they're in charge of the mine and they gotta decide what to do with it and like there's an old flame like that is very much a part of the like sub genre very common trope yeah what they're like spoofing and stuff so I get why they did it But I don't think the spoofing and parody of it really like worked. and like I'm glad you said it because like I had written that down. You may as well have just removed it. The whole movie could have worked with or without it. and it would With or without. there It didn't add anything to the movie whatsoever to me completely agree yeah that's probably my least favorite I'm being I'm being nice yeah yeah it was it was it was definitely up there for yeah as well very up there like after the second time he did it I was like okay so this is the bit that guy was talking about right you know I was like I already it was so right clock once you had like a little bit of like somebody like yeah it out kind of a thing um so I think my one of my favorite parts of the movie
00:37:22
Speaker
um that I had completely forgot about um is the ah the conspiracy theorist ah Harlan that ah has the like rate Wacko radio show.
00:37:35
Speaker
i was so funny. He was so fucking funny. um And like at the beginning, he's like... He's like, oh I'm telling you, they're going to tell you like aliens aren't true.
00:37:47
Speaker
Like, it's like, well, aliens are true. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't pull the trigger. And like, and like, like, and then he makes like racial joke. That's like very funny that I'm not going to say, he's a black man. I'm not to say but it's fucking funny. I actually wrote that down in like my notes. I was like, wait, this is like still, was like, this is still relevant. This actually holds up really well. Exactly. I was like, was like, this guy rocks. I would ironically listen to his show.
00:38:11
Speaker
uh i'm a big conspiracy fan like not in a bad way but in like a fun like a fun light way i'm like interested in how they work and operate and stuff uh so don't fucking come at me i am fully vaxxed don't come at me like don't don't even start with that shit which could put say that now i feel like i say that all the time so like oh yeah conspiracies i love them and i have to like What I find is funny is everyone in the town is listening to his radio station. It's the only station they're listening to. I think he's the only guy because they're in Prosperity, Arizona. Where it has a mind that is not prosperous anymore.
00:38:51
Speaker
ha yeah Very funny. um Makes sense. yeah Don't hate it writing-wise. I'm like, yeah, that's kind of funny. um But um Yeah, so I think they're the only town for miles and miles
Character Highlights and Humor
00:39:01
Speaker
and miles. So like that's probably the only radio station they get. And it's this guy in his trailer just spouting out about aliens probing people and like all this crazy And it just seems like everybody's pissed off that it's on. But it's on all the time.
00:39:15
Speaker
So like I guess he plays music every once in a while. you know Maybe. And we just never got of it. That's why have to tune in. could be like Maybe he's just playing some tunes like and not... They're just like, what is this shit? Yeah, they're always so mad at him. But I loved him, and I loved ah my two favorite parts with him where I didn't really care.
00:39:35
Speaker
it didn't it didn't like hurt or like make it any better when he's like... He's like, these are the aliens. These aren't spiders that like, the even though they're like, we know exactly what happened and this is what happened. He's like, no, no, no, they're aliens. Like the invasion is happening. Like, and stuff. I was like that. Take it or leave it. Like, that's fine.
00:39:50
Speaker
um I found that funny. Like, it was kind of funny because they're like, that's more believable. ah The one scene, like ah Chris is like, is like, He's like, nah, man, like what you're saying is like bullshit. Like it's definitely this. He's okay, then they're aliens. Like pay attention to what we're talking about. And then he starts paying attention. And he's like, yeah. And then like he sees the tarantula come and he's like, oh shit, the invasion started. Like, okay, like it is pretty good. But like my two favorite things are one, um,
00:40:18
Speaker
uh earlier uh pete the uh deputy but she's like get all the guns get all the guns he's like okay he's getting them out and he's like he's like okay like nine shot guns and then we've got a couple pistols moman and he's like well then yeah and then he's like he's like lee harvey oswald's gone i don't know why yeah i don't know why that's gonna bring it and i was like what but then they bring it back like when they're like everybody get guns and stuff harlan's the one that guess i guess he was like lee harvey hall was done yeah this is the weirdest day of my life like and he's just like shaking but he's like he's using that one i'm like that is so fucking i'm so glad you mentioned that loved that his whole through line was so good and then at the end they have to like because the the power lines get knocked out in a way that i actually was like kind of making fun of and i was like actually that's kind of a cool way that they knock them out how about that scene though like yeah practical effects maybe a
00:41:10
Speaker
little tiny bit just a little bit of like the real explosion the real i think the explosion was real the spiders coming out and their green goo coming out was definitely yeah but i think this i think they actually blew something up um they definitely did we can talk about that scene after uh uh this and then my last thing was like so power lines are out so they can't make any phone calls um and so they And like one guy, like only the mayor has a cell phone and they have to climb to the tower to try and do it. They can't get a signal or whatever.
00:41:38
Speaker
But then all these like emergency response people start showing up and they're like, oh, I thought you couldn't get a signal. And they're like, and Harlan's like, they didn't, they listened to my show and like, and they like came to help and like they drove like, 100 miles as fast as they could to come help because they heard on Harlan's show that aliens were taking over this town and they were like, let's go. Cops, ambulances, firefighters, like 100 emergency responses. Everyone listens to Harlan's show. They're like, yeah, dude, love it. This guy's locked in. And I'm like, what is this conspiracy shit so infused into this movie? I thought it was great. I thought was so fucking funny. thought it Everyone listens to his...
00:42:17
Speaker
Fucking show. It's hilarious. Like people who probably have other things to listen to. Yeah. All emergency response people listen to his show and love it. And they were like, yeah, we got to go help this town. We got to go help. ah He's got some pole, man. It's so funny. I just thought that was that just tickled me so much.
00:42:37
Speaker
um But yeah, so how the power lines go out. When that scene started, so it's Brett, Scarlett Johansson, which Loki forgot she was in this movie until it said her name across. Pretty crazy. And I was like, what? And was like, oh, she is a teenager. She's the teenage daughter in this movie. Yeah. i was like, I mean, it's 2002, so yeah. um And how about the casting? I felt like the wife or like the mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:01
Speaker
Yeah. She was very similar. yeah They look very similar. And her acting was like really good. was good. She was really, she was probably one of the best actors in the entire movie. Yeah. i felt like she stole the show a little bit. She was the strongest. Yeah. She was definitely the strongest David Arquette because he was doing the like,
00:43:19
Speaker
like funny, but not kind of a vibe, like back and forth, uh, uh, in a way that's just very David Arquette. I mean, I like, yeah, like he's really good. And the kid too. The kid, the kid was, I thought the kid was a rock star. I think he did a good job with the lines he was given.
00:43:36
Speaker
I kind of hated everything that he said. He was kind of annoying to me. Yeah. whole thing with that, that all I can respect that talk about in a second. But like, yeah, so Brett, Scarlett Johansson's a boy piece of shit, boyfriend and a son, stepson or and stepson or son. I couldn't, I can't remember of the mayor.
00:43:54
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah. It seemed like stepson Wade, like, like his first name. That's a good catch. Actually years old. And he's calling him Wade. That's a good catch. And like that guy,
00:44:04
Speaker
And he's on the phone just like, it's like umm he's like, go have some fun. he's like, going to go like murder people and do a bunch of drugs. And he's like, okay, go. I'm on the phone. Have fun. Like, and stuff. So very step. So I'm gonna say stepson. I can't remember, but yeah, it's a good call.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. When they, um, when she, uh, like kicks him out of the car because he's trying to like fool around too much. and She's like, fuck off. And she zaps him with the zapper in the nuts and he pees his pants, which is great.
00:44:28
Speaker
Uh, uh, good for her. Um, And then all he has is his dirt bike and then all of his bros and stuff. And like literally the, so they're being chased by the jumping spiders on their dirt bikes, like through the desert.
00:44:41
Speaker
And I literally wrote in my notes, totally fucking awesome, wicked dirt bike chase, bro. Like, as, like, as, like, the note to... Ironically, or... It was ironic at the time, and, because I was, like, I was, like, this is so goofy. This is just so goofy, and it's so long.
00:44:57
Speaker
But then it ended with he jumps across a, ah like... a gas tanker. You're taking all my good stuff. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the best part. I was like, fuck this. He dropkicks the spider mid-air. Yeah, dropkicks the spider, which was fucking rad, will say. I was like, for what this movie is, it's pretty rad.
00:45:16
Speaker
But he jumps across the gas tanker, and that guy like spins out of control, and the spider's on him, and he knocks out the power lines, and it cuts to it was cutting back and forth. Pete was on the phone trying to be like... um which i thought was funny but he's like like she's like well these aren't giant spiders aren't fish or game and he was like well who the hell am i supposed to call to get help and like the phone go or like for missing cats he's like yeah and then it goes out right away he's like well who am i supposed to call because there's an epidemic like all these dogs and cats are going going away and like the phone line phone line goes dead i'm like oh and those are going to be gone it's like so oh those there's gone those are gone for the entire rest of the movie there's no way they're going to get those fixed like this is all about the pop off
00:45:54
Speaker
um i was like that's actually a pretty clever way to uh get it was like just the scene like the dirt bike chase i was just like all right here we go stuff but then that happens and i was like there was meaning behind it was actually plot relevant it was like okay it was very plot relevant like uh like it took away the ability to just pick up the phone and yeah and like get and So it was thought through. thought through. So in the drop kick, drop kick. Come on. That's just, that, that was just there for fun. That was one of the, it was fun. That was one of the best scenes in my opinion. Yeah. It is very fun, but I just, don't know. Again, I was like, fuck this. And then I was like, actually it's making the plot move forward in a way that it needs to. So I will give it to them.
00:46:41
Speaker
Uh, I love the taser in the nuts too. the taser in the nuts was great also. yeah But the fact that he recovered ah so fast. Well, mean giant spiders were coming after. He saw giant spiders and he was like oh like just the adrenaline kicked in. I feel like I feel like i mean you know i haven't personally been in that situation ah getting tased in the nuts and then being chased by giant spiders so I don't know how I'd react. You might have the will to to to be able to get over it and fucking the out of there.
00:47:10
Speaker
So the kid. Yeah. Kid. You like him? You like you like the kid? i did. I think his acting is good. Acting was great. What do you the the character and everything? Like, what do you what are you thinking? Because I have some negative thoughts.
00:47:24
Speaker
That's that's fine. Yeah. um I thought the acting was great. Yeah. I tend to agree with you. Like, I mean, the writing just in general is not exactly what you want it to be. now But ah I think he was ah the catalyst to so many events. Yeah, well, they do the thing where like he' charts he starts to explain to Chris when he first finds like the first like sp giant spider leg, like exoskeleton thing.
00:47:57
Speaker
he like Chris like picks him up because he's hitchhiking because he moved around and blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like... He was like, well, what it even matter? Like I'm the kid and you're not even going to listen to me and stuff. And he was like, well, give me a try. And he like starts to explain and he's like, and then he just scoffs at him and he's like, okay, see exactly. And then by the end of the movie, uh, as people are figuring out that he's like super into spiders and stuff and like that they are giant spiders and stuff.
00:48:27
Speaker
Like, uh, Chris is like, is like, let's listen to the kid for once. And I was like, Yeah, of course that was... like It was the writing of it. i was Yeah, yeah, like, of course. Because normally i'm like I'm very like, this kid's way too fucking smart and is talking like an adult.
00:48:43
Speaker
I think he didn't talk like an adult. He did not talk like an adult. talked like a kid, and I respected that, and he was doing kid shit. like He wanted to call his weird spider friend, which... I'll get to that in second. I wish there was more of the weird spider friend. I... It felt weird in a few different ways for me but like you like He does like a little brother thing. like His sister's on the phone talking to Brett, the piece of shit boyfriend and stuff. um yeah um He like unplugs the phone and then like plugs it back in, like the landline from the thing and stuff, and then sneaks in there so he can like try and call him and stuff. like He does like kid stuff. he like He's grounded, but he sneaks out like and stuff.
00:49:20
Speaker
And then talk like an adult. like I think one of the worst ones is... ah in ah the Jurassic world, the first Jurassic world, the two like, uh, Bryce Dallas Howard's, uh, like, I remember that. The younger one.
00:49:33
Speaker
It's like, well, they're going, their parents are going through a divorce. And like the one, the older brother's like, like, yeah, we're gonna have so much fun. it's gonna be lit and stuff. And he's just like, mom and dad are getting divorced and it's my fault. The writing is like, I didn't like it's like, shut the fuck up, kid. Like, I don't know. They were the weakest part of that. He pissed me off. I was like, he is way I was like, I get it. My parents aren't divorced and stuff. And I get that it can be it it inspired all of Steven Spielberg's career. All of his movies are about divorce in some way. So, I mean, you know, maybe there's good and bad in there.
00:50:03
Speaker
But like, I was just like the way he was talking about it as like a 10, 12 year old kid and like how he was feeling about it was a little too mature for a 10 year old. I think like if he was like 15 or 16, like was the older brother who was being a little punk about it and like whining about it.
00:50:20
Speaker
Maybe this kid was 10 or 12 years old and it made me super mad and because I'm like 10 year old, 12 year old kids, no matter what's going on their life do not, phrase sentences that way and yeah and the kid in this movie i hope that's a testament to so it did the the writing was pretty good and you know what i love yeah the just a little tidbit that i love about ah his character was the computer and he was like he took like one of the spider legs and he's like here let me input this into my computer yeah he's like he's like yeah let me let me measure this i was like yeah i'm like wait this shit's 2002 like this kid's a little boy genius that was also like
00:50:58
Speaker
Like that was also like, he has a his own computer in his room in 2002 in this tiny little fucking town that is about to be non-existent. And his mom's the sheriff.
00:51:11
Speaker
how much they pay in her. You could say that's like a plot hole a little bit, but I found it as like a testament to like his and intelligence. Like definitely a part of they saved up for a computer because you knew how skills like smart the kid was. And like, and like that's, it's more of the sign of like being a good, like her being a good mom.
00:51:27
Speaker
But like, what does the daughter get? Like, cause like you're going to buy what would be like, it was probably like, I mean, I can't like what the equivalent of the day, it would probably have cost like almost like $3,000 to $4,000 to get that for that china computer. And don't know. He was the youngest. You spoiled, I guess. And like Scarlett Johansson's character, like she seems kind of like, she was like, she was being a little punk. She's kind of a punk. She's maybe some awful shit. Yeah. Shit to the mom. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Like, when yeah, when she's when they have that little bit of a spat, which is immediately rectified. and like Yeah, yeah, it was good. Which is good. That was actually, like, probably one of the more heartwarming parts of the movie. was like It was. I'm really sorry. bro, she fucking ripped her. Yeah. she And the mom mr i respected.
00:52:16
Speaker
i don't know. It's weird because there was, like, such bad dialogue and such moments that, like. I'm like, none of this makes any sense. Like, why are people talking like this? Like, what is even happening plot wise? Like, just like structurally and stuff like throughout the movie. But like that, the mom, when ah Scarlett Johansson said that heinous shit to her about like, well, I'm not trying to get knocked up at 16 and stay he and get stuck here forever. Like you. And the mom goes, I didn't deserve that. And walks away. i was like, that's,
00:52:45
Speaker
ah really good like that's really well written and like it is like that's that's how it it would have like that's that's what the mom what would have said if that was a real life situation mom's character because she and like how strong she is which badass sheriff woman in 2002 lit as fuck it was awesome yeah she was so like in charge chris was kind of david arquette was just kind of long for the ride literally He literally. It made me a question like, where who is this girl? What's her name? Because I didn't i didn't know.
00:53:16
Speaker
umm like, her acting chops are pretty incredible. I have no idea what she did before or after. Back to the kid, though, too. I was like, and I didn't look this up. I was just, usually I'm like Googling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I wasn't really. I was just like taking notes.
00:53:30
Speaker
But it made me think like, where's this kid at? like Yeah, what's he doing? Yeah, what's he doing? Because like, good acting chops for by him, too. ah yeah they i would say them to the mom and the kid were like the stars yeah yeah the two best um and you know the writing's all over the place but i would say like they still had like the best like writing in lines for sure for sure um 100 agree with that because like The mom, her character, like, like that scene like her shows her character, like, she could have easily blown up at the daughter, at ScarJo, and been like... And it was like, okay, so now there's this, like, little bit of a side plot where, like, they're in a fight, and, like, maybe she's gonna die.
00:54:16
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Like, ScarJo's gonna die. And then the mom's gonna be really upset about it and stuff. But, like, because the mom, like... just said well i don't deserve that and like yeah like told her like told her in a very chill but like meaningful way that's unfair of you to say to me and stuff it immediately rectified it and she apologized and she took the taser and was like that's honestly a great like point though i thought that was we didn't need that subplot in this movie so like there's moments there's nuggets of like okay cool we're not gonna waste time and make this like a two hour movie on that yeah yeah it was like 99 minutes i think something like that yeah it's like hour 40 ish yeah but you mentioning that makes me think um maybe that's lost potential um or would you say i don't think like need get rid of the love story yeah and make it about family but then why did you pay david arquette all this money to be in the movie
00:55:11
Speaker
yeah good point and i felt like maybe he was a little like underutilized character the mom was is the main character and he's and should be and he's on the i think maybe she's like he she he's on the front and then she's like in the background it's annoying because on the poster like the typical one where there's a giant spider jumping out of the back yeah in the desert it's him up front screaming and like running away but then it's her to the side like cowering and like stuff like to the side. And that is not reminiscent of her character at all. should have had a gun yeah her hands yeah on the poster like aiming at it because that's what she does. she is After watching the movie, like I forgot what her pose was.
00:55:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But I was imagining her with a shotgun, literally, because that's what she was doing. That's it should be, know? Yeah. Like, when ah the guy gave her the crossbow when they're, like, in the tunnel with the methane gas.
00:56:03
Speaker
And she's just like, motherfucker, give it to me. Yeah, he's like, oh, here, catch it. And she's yeah, perfect. Yeah. I am the bad bitch here. Yeah, exactly. She was, like, she yeah it was commanding everybody and stuff, and it was, like, in, like,
00:56:18
Speaker
You know, it didn't play on, like, the bullshit of, like like, small town, like, mining community. And it's like, oh, we got this female sheriff. Like, oh. ever Like, she took charge and was like, do this, do that. And everybody was like, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. like And, like, they respect that, which was.
00:56:37
Speaker
awesome, I thought. like It was a little bit like... And David Arquette, Chris is like the... like ah He's the like like the sappy one. And she's like, we don't have time for this bullshit. yeah yeah yeah And so like I respect it in that way.
00:56:53
Speaker
But then when it comes to the kid... I thought the like, no one ever listens to the kid. then like, hey, we should listen to the kid for once. Like that was like a self-aware, like spoof of these kind of movies. Cause again, like in some of these classic ones and stuff, there's a kid who kind of knows more what's going on than like people. And like, people are like, you're just a kid. You don't even understand and stuff.
00:57:14
Speaker
and it's like, I get it, but And I wanted more... like like the The kid was such a good actor. like He did a good job and stuff. like But I was like... But his whole point kind of... I don't... It just goes... It just didn't hit.
00:57:28
Speaker
It just goes to show how great the movie is. There's classic tropes. Oh, yeah. And then there's subverting. There's non-traditional tropes. Like... The woman is the lead. The woman wears the pants.
00:57:40
Speaker
But she's definitely not like marketed as the lead, but she. No, definitely not. Oh, yeah. She definitely was. She is like. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what's your name? I don't know.
00:57:51
Speaker
I have no idea. I'm so sorry. Yeah. um But so speaking of like gimmicks and stuff. One of the scenes I hated so much and it was in there because it was definitely supposed to be like, hey, this is a spoof.
00:58:09
Speaker
Like it's supposed to be the one that like lets you know it's a spoof. Yeah. It was when Pete's cat, his wife's cat, gets in the drywall, and then it does this really long sequence of the cat and the spider fighting, and it's like out of the drywall. It's like the cat's face, like the cat gets up, and it's paws, and then the spider, and back and forth all over. the like...
00:58:38
Speaker
like like and The music specifically in that scene, like the score, I thought was... It was like, they want you to think this is funny because that all those like imprints coming out of drywall were super goofy and over the top. Super goofy. And the music was super whimsical and not like, oh, this is scary kind of a thing. Yeah. And i i thought that that was a big miss for me because it's like, oh, they like...
00:59:09
Speaker
It was like when the spiders were just being introduced to. So it was kind of like setting the tone for like how we should feel about the spiders. Exactly. And it's like, so I'm not supposed to be scared. And again, I know it's a horror comedy. Like I understand that, but I think there's a way to do it.
00:59:25
Speaker
where you can do both like you can do a horror comedy but you're taking the horror elements serious more seriously and not straight up scary movie like I i agree with Michael from Chicago Tribune like it's not funny or good enough to reinvigorate the genre because like it wasn't over the top enough to just be straight up scary movie. Yeah.
00:59:52
Speaker
But it was also like not taking itself seriously enough to be like, like it wasn't like a, this probably isn't the best example, but like a, what we do in the shadows kind of like horror comedy. Yeah.
01:00:03
Speaker
Like when it's horror, like the blood sucking in those movies and like those elements is intense. yeah and like And like there's some like really spooky looking stuff, but it's comedy sitcom and like comedy mockumentary movie originally like through and through. Like it's hilarious, but like it takes the horror elements of it just as serious as the comedy.
01:00:25
Speaker
And I feel like. Yeah, that's a great point. like I feel like if the music had stayed true, and had the same tone throughout with yeah all of those scenes, and was like, because again, going back to like them and like stuff like that, that would look goofy to, which would look like, if you watch it, you'll be like, this looks goofy as fuck.
01:00:45
Speaker
But the music is like, violin swelling to like be like, this is scary, this is scary. feel like if they had leaned more into that, But then you saw like what they're doing is like kind of stupid. And then they have the kid like they subvert like, hey, let's listen to the kid for once kind of a thing.
01:01:05
Speaker
Like there's a more subtle way to do it that I think would have made this movie a little more entertaining instead of kind of being like, OK, and this is a comedy scene and this is a scene where the spiders attack ah attack the guy at the barbershop from behind the thing. That shit scares the fuck out of me. That that image yeah is horrifying to me.
01:01:23
Speaker
That's like anybody got put in webs horrifying to me. But sometimes in those scenes, the music, the score is a little. There's going to be like, I don't like that. I tend to agree with you slightly because i would say it was like the 80% comedic, 20% serious.
01:01:45
Speaker
And maybe it would have benefited if it was like, don't know, 60, 40, 40, sixty forty it It was like somewhere a little more towards the middle, maybe. Yeah. Like when ah the when they when the spiders go into the mall.
01:01:58
Speaker
Mm hmm. and they finally break in and something that I found hilarious was the tarantula was like the the battering ram yeah yeah and like it also made sense and like it honestly like kind of made for like because there's like if I'm remembering correctly there's not a score during that moment like he's like he's stabbing it in yeah it's like stab silent it's silent and all you hear is like the act but then they all bust in and it's like and then they all all the sudden whimsical music like kind of whimsical when they're coming in and i was like this could have been should be perfect gary yeah it should have been perfect to have like a really scary moment yeah exactly it was because it's like kind of goofy like yeah music when they come in and so like i was like ah because like they did a they do a great job with the no so no music stab stab stab the holes ripped and they're all like bracing with their weapons and then they're like
01:02:48
Speaker
And it's like cheery. Wait, what like like there's a beat. Yeah. And then all the little ones, the smaller ones come rushing in. yeah And it's like, it's not exactly this, but it's like, it's like, doot, doot, doot, doot. Yeah, right. It's kind of like. It felt, that was the one moment where I felt like it was, it was like really not in, it was really There's, there's good.
01:03:10
Speaker
There's a bit of it. Well, once I caught on to it in that first scene with the cat and stuff, I was like, I really need to pay attention to the score here in certain scenes. Because sometimes there would be scenes where it was like intense and stuff. like I think the one with Harlan with the tarantula coming and like knocking over his trailer is a little less whimsical.
01:03:27
Speaker
It's a more like, help oh shit, oh shit. And it's like, was a good scene. like They're toppling over. And I thought it was really cool how like they were the radio was still on while they were getting attacked and people were like,
01:03:39
Speaker
the people listening were like, what the fuck they're talking about Everyone in the town listening to Harlan. But then they're like, he's he's a hero. um But like that scene, this is a little more serious music or like less of a score.
01:03:52
Speaker
um Either way, ah i thought it was cool how they didn't or how like they left they left it on. Like the radio was on and like plugged in he was broadcasting the entire time. And they were like, slowly but surely were like,
01:04:07
Speaker
what what actually is going on? or Like they slowly were like turning it and being like, the fuck? And like, that was like kind of like a little bit of like, oh, that's freaky. You're just at a diner. like like, there goes this guy again.
01:04:19
Speaker
oh the sheriff's on talking about this. is this a bit like kind of thing? Yeah. ah Wait, what's going on over there? And then like the next thing we see with them, a family has a giant spider on their car and they're like driving away and then all these spiders come out and they're like, oh fuck, we gotta get to the mall. I feel like they needed that like ambiance like over the radio because of just how unserious Harlan was the whole movie. Exactly. Like, it was weird because it was like, for me, because like when it hit,
01:04:50
Speaker
in a way where it was like when they were doing what I would have preferred it to be, um, less whimsical, more, Hey, like we're kind of doing something here, you know, kind of a thing.
01:05:02
Speaker
Um, like again like a more subtle comedy approach to a more subtle spoof uh kind of a thing and you know i'm not saying what we do in the shadows is not like perfect and does it exactly like yeah right and stuff like they they obviously there's very goofy moments in that but when it's a horror scene shit's wild in that have you seen you've seen the have you seen any of that the show right well there's the original movie Oh, no, I've never seen the movie. Oh, the movie is... I thought you were referring to the show the whole time. The show really
Influences and Tone of the Show
01:05:31
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good. Well, the show does a good job because Takiyah Waititi and Jermaine Clement are executive producers and like wrote a lot of the first of it.
01:05:40
Speaker
And Jermaine Clement specifically was like always an executive producer and like keeping the vibe alive. And the show is incredible. But the original movie with Jermaine Clement and Takiyah Waititi... More serious?
01:05:51
Speaker
No, it's the exact same tone. Oh, okay. But ah it's just better because it's just ah it's just funnier because it was the first like thought. You know what I mean? like It was like the first... like right oh well what if we made a mockumentary of like vampires living together kind of a thing and like they're in new zealand because that's where they're all from and it's like oh like we could like fx is like make a show put them in new york get who like get matt get matt berry and like matthew berry in there was amazing uh but it's just which one's matthew berry you see the laszlo okay oh yeah my favorite is fucking good my favorite is the energy vampire
01:06:26
Speaker
yeah colin robinson yeah sorry which is hilarious because they're all they always they always uh call him colin robinson they never call him colin they always just call him colin robinson as if that's his full like his first name which is a very subtle bit that i think is very funny um but like even with the show like when it gets like there is like kind of like serious moments and stuff it doesn't it, uh, like the music is always kind of the same. It is a sitcom. So
Spider Phobia and CGI Effectiveness
01:06:53
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it's a little bit different than like a feature in terms of like how to keep a tone going throughout and stuff.
01:06:58
Speaker
But like all the stuff with, uh, Guillermo and stuff, like that's all pretty serious stuff. Like he has serious issues going on, like with like Nandor and like everything and everything, but it always keeps the same tone throughout. And you're like, Oh, this is kind of a serious scene. and know Oh, this is a funny scene and stuff. And this one, it was like,
01:07:16
Speaker
Okay, now you laugh? Okay, now you're a little scared. Okay, now laugh? Like, it's like... i can I can concede that. I felt like there are some levels of tonel just some tonality issues involved, but watching it as an adult, watching it as a kid, was horrifying.
01:07:34
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. yeah fucking hate spiders. Oh, me too. I hate them. too. And I had those creepy moments just because of my general phobia of spiders. Absolutely. But watching it now as an adult, it is definitely on the comedic side. Yeah.
01:07:51
Speaker
And I will say the CGI held up quite well for me, especially in the first scene. I felt like the first scene when the kid shows up to the spider house. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The small spiders. The small ones when they get the dude and stuff and like, they looked legitimately real. That looked good for sure. The bigger they got in, in certain scenes, like,
01:08:17
Speaker
depending on what they were doing like the tarantula yeah but then the tarantula looked pretty good they look honestly because it looks I think because it's fuzzier maybe because it's fuzzier maybe it's fuzzier but there's moments like um When they're at the barbershop, the spider just comes completely around. Oh, around the chair and stuff. It just totally encapsulates him. had nightmares years about that, dude. I fucking hate spiders, dude. Yeah, no.
01:08:45
Speaker
there i definitely was like, ha, ha, ha, this is so goofy and silly. And was also like, I'm going to have nightmares about spiders. And anytime it was like a dark space, like when they're in the tunnels, and obviously, like the the lack of lighting definitely helped with the realism. Yeah.
01:09:01
Speaker
But overall, I felt like I was about to watch it and be like, yeah oh this is like really, really bad. Like, I can't suspend any disbelief at all. Yeah.
01:09:13
Speaker
But I felt those moments. I got chills. Yeah. No, for sure. Absolutely. A handful of times. the like So, like, the ah the big one at the end,
01:09:25
Speaker
i ah really, really loved when Chris like gets Gladys and is like, oh, we can't shoot her. We can't shoot her because of the methane and stuff. like when it first When she first comes out, is like I'm like, because they they did a good job in certain scenes where, because the problem with a lot of CGI is it's hard to get the lighting right.
01:09:45
Speaker
To be like, can you believe so that it queen and this in the The queen orb weaver like going through the tunnel was great like because it's like it's it's like, okay, it's obviously dark right here and light on this side because of the way that... like It's easier to do... it like So sometimes like the more bright ones, even when it's like, well, they're all in sun and stuff, there's like...
01:10:04
Speaker
weird shadowing and stuff like and everything which is again it's which is why you probably didn't like the dirt bike scene because they're in just like completely like desert or you know and or you know because when they jump the jumping spiders jump uh they uh become like they're this close to being pixelated yeah yeah everything they're just this close to being pixelated um yeah those guys only issue with that they would have stolen the show because jumping spiders are I hate jumping spiders. Scary as hell. Name a spider, I promise, I fucking hate it. I don't care what kind of spider is. Oh, yeah. Oh, these ones are good. They eat mosquitoes in your backyard. Cool. I don't want to fucking see it.
01:10:40
Speaker
I definitely sure as fuck don't want it in my house. like i have a question for you. what was your most but What was the most like unnerving, disgusting scene? Unnerving, disgusting scene? Yeah. so I don't think any of the scenes when they like shoot the spiders or anything and like that... like Because all the green goo that comes out of them is comically bad. Yeah, it's very bad. The spiders themselves have really good moments of CGI.
01:11:06
Speaker
the goo The green goo that comes out of them is awful. I think the thing I was the most disgusted about, though, to that point, to kind of like go back on myself a little bit,
01:11:17
Speaker
is when um uh it's the it's come probably no that one's worse the one when pete the spiders on his car and he shoots up and stuff and then practical effect green goo drips into his face into his mouth And then no one tells him and it's just on his face. And then he finally realized while they're talking to Harlan trying to convince him stuff.
01:11:42
Speaker
He's like, why didn't anybody tell me? i this shit on my Like, I was like, that is the most disgusting thing that was, that gave me the biggest ick out of anything in this movie. Um, it's a good one. Obviously like being trapped in a web and like stuff and like the one, the few shots of the, uh, like,
01:12:01
Speaker
the female orb weaver like stabbing and drinking blood it's like oh that would be really bad like that's rough but the practical effect green goo of a spider going into his mouth is so fucking disgusting to me I don't I hate bugs and arachnids of all kind.
01:12:20
Speaker
um I will not touch them. Austin has to kill every bug in the house that shouldn't be here. We have a cat. he It should be his job, but he's not very good at it. He's good at other things. Not that.
01:12:32
Speaker
That's a shame. Austin has to deal with it. Reloader. Don't give me dart. but But he... It's she has she has to do all it. I can't do it. And I'm like, you have to use a napkin. And if you don't use a napkin, you have to wash your hands for like two minutes straight. Like I like bug it in G.O.C.D.
01:12:51
Speaker
Absolutely disgusting. So my most the most disgusting scene to me was when the black man was mining. Oh, the goal.
01:13:02
Speaker
And the water stops. He's spraying the water and he goes to siphon the hose. Yeah. And all the spiders go up and into his mouth.
01:13:14
Speaker
Yeah. And i feel like they were just kind of shitting on him a little bit because but they kept going into the tunnel. And then like he was the like the first guy. Like, there was no... You didn't see anyone else in webs. It was just him, and his eyes were just, like, bloodshot wide open. His eyes were bloodshot, and his face was like... And everybody else was just, like, eyes closed. Yeah, just eyes closed, like, just at peace. At peace and stuff. And this poor guy... The couple that were alive were like... Yeah, that guy was...
01:13:44
Speaker
They fucked that guy. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. That was the most disgusting scene. um Him siphoning the hose and all the spiders go up into his mouth. You know, just sitting there with a full mouth.
01:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, that, you know. I may you repress that scene for a minute because that's all that is really bad i think. That's the most disgusting scene. think the goo... I think the goo... The goo still? I think the goo is still just... Personally, so fucking bad for me.
01:14:15
Speaker
Just like... Because it's like... It's goo. It's like... it's like mushy and stuff and like and for me mushy things are inherently more disgusting than solid things like okay yeah ask you this what's more what's more you have a dog yeah what's worse picking up a dry shit or a wet shit wet shit exactly all right i i rest my taste oh yeah that's so much worse because the texture of it but the goo got you it got me The bad goo. That got me. That was the most disgusting thing. And how do you not know on his face? I don't know. I think that's it's just part of his stupidity. He was the stupid cop. He's the bumblefuck kind of a guy. He does his job, and he does it well, and he does survive.
01:14:59
Speaker
And, again, he's older, so you would think it's one of those things where it's like, well, he's probably been in the police force, like, in the sheriff's office longer. He's older. He's a white man in Arizona. Yeah.
Humor and Plot Twists
01:15:10
Speaker
and he has no problem having uh the mom like be just run the show and he's like yes ma'am like yeah yes like like when there's a lot of girl power when david or or chris uh david arquette like uh punches the mayor in the face like after the meeting oh yeah at the mall and and uh she's like she's like pete like get these people out of here and stuff and people are just not even like standing there watching and he's like He's like 20 feet people. and Nothing. Yeah. He's like, that really doing exactly what you're doing. Go on. get You ain't got to stay here. Buy the book. You got go home, but you can't stay here. Like he was like, and she like kind of walks by him and he's, and she's like, all right. Like that, that was like, okay. Like like no one was making a crowd. Yeah. she Like she was like, I was worried there going to be a crowd. and He just like really got into it Yeah. I respect to Pete.
01:15:58
Speaker
Uh, his job, great. Fucking wife left him though. His wife left him after the cat. Yeah, yeah. So sad. I was just kind of brushed over. I know. It's so sad. So yeah, wife left me. He's like, well, he calls and she's like, no, he's like, no, I just, you know, i little mucusy today. Yeah, I'm the butt of the joke. I have a my respect for Pete. He was a good guy.
01:16:20
Speaker
um I have a couple other notes here. Hit me with them. have at least ah at least one more thing I really want to talk about. The anal probe. Harlan with the anal probe.
01:16:32
Speaker
um It was like at the beginning of the the movie. He's just like, They're not going to get me with the anal probe. They're going get me And then literally like 80% into the movie, usually when they're on the tower, he's like, you guys aren't going to get an anal probe in my house. know. like That was like the callback was incredible. It's like the movie's almost over. He was horrified by that. And it actually leads into like something I didn't like.
01:16:59
Speaker
um I liked that it was... like Harlan intros, the movie, like talking about stuff. And then it cuts to like the guy driving the toxic tank. And he's like listening. Yeah.
01:17:10
Speaker
And he gets
Modern Remake Potential
01:17:11
Speaker
distracted and like, die like whatever. And the other the thing falls out, whatever. And then it ends with him being like, And that's how we saved our town from the giant spiders. They'll tell you it was just an explosion in the mind, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like he does his thing and stuff.
01:17:27
Speaker
ah And he says, oh, I forgot to tell you two things. And the first thing he says is they did not get that anal probe in me. Like he brings it up again at the very end, which i was like, nice. like And then And then.
01:17:40
Speaker
But then he's like, I hated this. I hated this when he's like, okay. He's like, oh, and about all that gold in the mine and stuff, like something, something, something. And then starts to like do like a maniacal evil laugh kind of a thing. And he's got three gold teeth and it like sparkles and that's the end of the movie. And I'm like, okay, so they found the gold and the town is doing fine now and is revitalized because they find the huge thing of gold and they're mining gold and they're you know prosperous again. Prosper.
01:18:09
Speaker
Yeah. like And I was like, but like why... It just felt weird to me. i don't know. I was like, why is he laughing? like All i took from that all i took from that was, where's the sequel?
01:18:24
Speaker
i didn't I didn't even hear what he said. because he actually you know you say he does say like... Oh, that's another story for another time. Like, yeah, it's yeah, and it like goes in on his teeth and he's got like the the yeah like three gold teeth.
01:18:38
Speaker
And then it like fades to black and roll credits. And then a really weird version of itsy bitsy spider plays as the. Yeah, the credits. oh yeah What are we doing? i was like, what is this like adult man, like husky voice man singing It's a Bitsy Spider for? I was just like, where's the sequel, man? Yeah.
01:18:58
Speaker
Oh, okay. About them mining for gold and everything's normal. yeah and everybody's happy i was just hungry i was hungry i was ready i'm ready for the i mean the reboot where's the reboot where's the reboot honestly i think based on everything we've talked about if somebody remade this movie today you could do it right you could do it really right uh lessons were learned lessons were learned uh but let's see i don't know if it's would be would fit in this day and age is like a horror comedy i don't think so i think it should be a straight up horror
01:19:29
Speaker
I think if somebody really leaned into it and just did like an actual horror thing, they could do some really good stuff. They could really like, and again, you could take some straight up shots from this movie and just recreate them with better CGI. And again, like better, like a different edit and score and like color grading tone and stuff.
01:19:46
Speaker
Oh yeah. be horrifying. Really lean into it. And I wouldn't see it. And I would hate myself for doing that to myself. Um, I do want to go back real quick. Can we talk about this old man?
01:19:59
Speaker
The spider farmer. Oh yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about this man. Um, one, what the fuck, what the fuck kind of a job is spider farming. I'm sure it's relevant in some way. He's obviously a scientist of some sort.
01:20:14
Speaker
Um, why does this town, That's literally going under. They're literally about to sell their property to leave ah because there's no reason to stay there.
01:20:25
Speaker
They literally make a joke. He goes, David Arquette, Chris goes to get a shave and he's like, oh, four dollars. He's like, oh, four dollars. That's not bad. He's like, it's all I can charge because there's no jobs and nobody has any money in town and stuff. and Yeah. And like makes the jokes like, well, maybe I don't need a shave anymore. Cause he's like, I think you're going like slit my throat. Cause it's technically my fault. Cause i own the mind now kind of a thing.
01:20:44
Speaker
Um, which is a funny bit. That was a funny, but it was a funny bit. Um, I'll give him that. But, um, Why is he there? Would you let an old man shave your neck like that? With a straight razor or a professional barber? Absolutely, I would.
01:20:59
Speaker
A professional barber with a straight razor? Absolutely would let him do that. That though? Not that fucking green. No, not that guy. He's like 85 years old. Rest in peace. Yeah, he was shaky. He was definitely a little shaky. Maybe not that guy, but a professional barber who's been doing it for like 20 years, but he's like 40 years old?
01:21:15
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. That'd be sick as fuck. For sure. For sure. It costs probably like $50 today. and so $4 is a good deal. We don't live in prosperity. don't live. Yeah. No. And we have jobs.
01:21:27
Speaker
Chattanooga is doing fine. Yeah. Chattanooga is great. We're doing great. um i work remote. I don't. Everything's fine. um but a But the fucking...
01:21:40
Speaker
the fucking I don't like that this kid is like my friend, the old man, who's a weird eccentric scientist who lives with a bunch of spiders, that he has to bribe customs to get into into the country so he can get them.
01:21:59
Speaker
And like, i was like... So this kid can just go see this dude and like it's totally fine and stuff. But then when we first meet the mom, she's like, what are you doing out here? you going to see that guy again? I told you I don't want hanging out with him anymore. And I was like, okay. Does the mom know something? not like It's like not even that. It's just like, okay.
01:22:22
Speaker
i under so like i'm like ah I gave it up a little bit. but like Some of my first few notes, I was like, what the fuck? like Why is this kid just allowed to hang out with us? Who are his parents? Where are his parents? And he looks creepy. Yeah, he looks creepy as fuck.
01:22:35
Speaker
And I was like, yeah, but she was like, I don't want you going over there anymore. like i'd like Stop. Stop going over there. I know you like spiders. I know he's like a spider. like bank like I get it. like and you're super smart, and I got you a $3,000 computer. like I get it.
01:22:48
Speaker
But I was just like... okay
Plot and Character Dynamics
01:22:51
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the mom does not want him going there yeah like and so i gave it up a little bit i was like okay that's fine i was like also he's gonna die immediately like you i was like oh at that point he was already dead it was literally surrounded by like the mutant spiders yeah he's like they're growing they're growing so fast i'll be able to sell them i'm giving them steroids like it's like okay what do you mean sell them like what does that mean like ah is it like a black market thing is he a criminal So what you like would you not like... just He was like just all over the place? just the vibe of it. I was like, why is this eight-year-old kid...
01:23:26
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10 year old kid whatever like hanging out with this 70 year old man yeah and he's like calling him like my friend like and stuff it just it just it just put a weird taste in my mouth until the mom was like you stop going over there to me it just felt like was the cool uncle i don't think he was the unofficial cool i don't think anything like nefarious was going on like yeah like something like really fucked up was going on how was he like supporting himself but like So it's more like plot wise.
01:23:53
Speaker
Why the fuck is this guy out here living in a shack and has a spider farm in this bum fuck town? Literally bum fuck town that's about to like go under and be like completely sold and just be a ghost town and like mowed over and like all this shit.
01:24:08
Speaker
And like, why is this kid allowed to hang out with him? But then the mom was like, absolutely not. Stop doing that. And I was like, okay, nevermind. It's fine. But just like the beginning of the movie, I forgot kind of like about their dynamic. It wasn't like, are you going to see your friend? Yeah. Like it was just, it was kind of shut down a little bit.
01:24:24
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Yeah, exactly. But he was a creep. Like the first jump scare in the movie was like him standing behind the kid. Yeah. And it's just like, okay, like what the fuck? He's wearing all black and he's crazy. They kind of want, I think they wanted you to think that a little bit. Like they, gave he had like a fucking doc Brown fucking hair, like fucking yeah you just crazy hair going everywhere.
01:24:43
Speaker
and it's like, Oh, maybe was it supposed to be like, well, oh, this isn't back to the future where there's a teenage boy who's friends with a weird eccentric scientist in town and everything's totally cool. And they go on an adventure together.
01:24:56
Speaker
They were like, no, it's a much older man and a much younger child. And that guy's going to die. like i Well, let's be real. You got to be a little crazy to. own spiders and be like look at this giant one also oh they're doubling in size that reminds me I got I think I got one more one more thing um one but one but two two two things actually uh I thought the pacing of the movie was actually very well done like I don't think it needs to be any longer shorter I think that it was a it was exactly like
01:25:31
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halfway through when ah the mom and Chris and like everybody knew that giant spiders were taking over the town. I was like, that's good to say it might've been too much.
01:25:46
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The buildup was nice And then it was like, only the only person I knew was the kid yeah for the whole time. Like, so I think it, I think the pacing of it actually kind of worked in a way that I wasn't super mad about.
01:25:58
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Um, I agree. in My one more negative thing was, so the female orb weaver, he says, say hello to Consuela, the old man at the beginning.
01:26:13
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How the fuck? When Chris is driving out with his aunt on the dirt bike and it's exploding, he says... like Goodbye, Consuela. Or like so long, Consuela. How the fuck does he know that? What does Consuela mean? Consuela is the name of the spider.
01:26:32
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Maybe he knew. Maybe so know just fighting he spiders. The kid told him. i was saying If you're going to have a fucking kick-ass like we did it, you've got to establish how he knows. how he knows and I was like, i was like i get that we have never heard we have not heard the name Consuela.
01:26:52
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since the first five minutes, the first five minutes of the movie. It's just been the female orb spider, the female orb spider, the female orb spider. She's three times as big. She's definitely the scariest one. Like, oh, like we can kill her. We can save a lot of people like kind of a thing. Not, not,
01:27:07
Speaker
so I don't know. Did the kid when they he evers when they're in the computer, when they're on the computer, did he say so something? I can't remember. No, he was just like, oh my God, they're getting so much big. did Yeah.
01:27:19
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Like, and then like with hackers. might Let me do some yeah and but calculations and shit. like a Nerd. um
Reboot Possibilities Focused on Horror
01:27:26
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And he's like, and in yeah, Chris is like, yeah, it should be about that size. like I don't think he ever says.
01:27:31
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anything about and he doesn't I don't think somebody correct me if I'm wrong but like I'm pretty sure yeah there needed to be like hey some here's like Ridge yeah like creepy old man whatever his name was again he wasn't in the long movie long enough for here or maybe you're just like ah I don't know what do they say like looking at the camera like oh fourth wall fourth wall yeah it's like a fourth wall type thing eight doesn't really that way. That's even too too cheeky. Yeah. ah Like in a movie that I already think was too cheeky and whimsical for like, yeah, like being self-aware in this type of movie is great, but you can do it wrong. And I think this movie did do it wrong.
01:28:11
Speaker
There's a lot of good in there. A lot more than I remembered. Again, as a kid, I was just like shaking because spiders, like giant spiders. You were not paying attention anything, but like, but like This this like third time I've seen the movie probably last night, i was like and was like, God, there's a lot of potential here.
01:28:30
Speaker
lot of potential. which where's Where's the reboot? Which I think is why the Rotten Tomatoes scores, think they make sense.
01:28:41
Speaker
I think it makes sense. That's 48 critic, 33 audience. The audience was like, this is just stupid. yeah like the But I think the critics were like, It's there. it's Something's there. it's like there's something that like There's moments that are really good and paying homage to stuff.
01:28:59
Speaker
Spiders are scary. Spiders fucking suck. Spiders are scary. Why is there not a reboot? Dude, I don't know. Because everybody Harry Potter came out. The second harry or the harry second Harry Potter movie with the big spiders. Everybody forgot about this movie.
01:29:15
Speaker
Because that was scary, even though that was supposed to be fun and whimsical and just be like scary for Ron specifically. But that scene also fucked up. hate that thing. and like I was remember reading the books and stuff and being like,
01:29:29
Speaker
I was like, there's a giant spider that they're all just like that Hagrid's just friends with. And I was like, okay, so Hagrid's a fucking lunatic. I was like, absolutely not. Oh, you've had him since he's a baby. i don't give a shit. Not as much a lunatic as, as the guy in this movie. No, that guy was not good. irick had a He had a respect for animals.
01:29:48
Speaker
Yeah. All shape size. And this guy was just trying to sell him. This guy was just trying to make fucking money, dude. Yeah. He's about to be the richest person in prosperity. under Trying to be dude. I don't know. Fuck that guy. I'm glad. I'm glad he died so fast.
01:30:03
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um I don't think I have much else. Do you have any other moments? And then like we, we might be able to come to an agreement. I will say, oh i do have one more thing.
01:30:14
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I just have to reiterate this. I wrote the tank explosion was solid. was Yeah, it was. It was great. It was because it was also like, oh, sick, a practical explosion.
01:30:27
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Oh, also, it's actually like plot relevant. Nice. Yeah. And then it's not Michael Bay. and And then the spiders jumped up on top and was like, you know, a little bit of disbelief there. Yeah.
01:30:38
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the The explosion itself was incredible. There was definitely like a budget involved. Yeah, they had some money. yeah i mean They got David Arquette, who was huge at this time. yeah He was a huge actor.
01:30:50
Speaker
Something I found funny um and I wouldn't say like clever, that like everyone's windows were open. And I think maybe because they were like in Arizona that and it was hot, yeah but like everyone's car windows are open. yeah Everyone's house windows are open and the spiders are just walking in. Oh yeah, because Scarlett Johansson like comes out of, it like comes into her bedroom and stuff, like totally nonchalant. Like she's just like, you know, like getting ready for bed or whatever the fuck she's doing.
01:31:21
Speaker
And like the spider just like taps on the window and it just fully opens and stuff. And I'm like, Hey, maybe like, there's not that much crime like that there. And, you know, the sheriff's jobs day to day is like, you know, pulling over Brett for driving too fast and stuff. and yeah And like, Oh, like somebody hit my mailbox or something. Cause kids are bored in this fucking town.
01:31:45
Speaker
But like, it's the 2000s, bro. Lock your fucking windows. Yeah, yeah. Lock your doors. i Roll up your windows, dude. Like, don't know. Like, yeah, I'm with you on that. When saying the cop, what's his name?
01:31:57
Speaker
ah The stupid cop? Pete. Pete. When Pete, like, rolls up and starts honking his horn, like, hey, I'm outside with all the guns. Yeah. And his windows were down. And that's when I noticed it. I was just like, Dude. They were all down. Like, clearly something, some shit's going down. Some serious shit's going down.
01:32:13
Speaker
There's some, like, serious crime, there's a robbery, and, like, the windows are down. Like, just... And then that ends up being giant spiders. Yeah. And... Like, it doesn't matter what they It's, like, the case scenario. Like, I don't think...
01:32:26
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I don't keep anything of value in my car. Always locked. Oh yeah. It was always up. Yeah. Barely roll the windows down even when it's like nice and hot. Yeah. Maybe that was an early 2000s thing. I have a sunroof in my car. I never use it.
01:32:39
Speaker
I like never use it. I'm just like, no, no one is closing it. Like just hot. Fuck it. Like, And like all my doors are locked at all times. like Yeah. ah My car, my house, ah every window in this house ah is locked at all times. Yeah. hundred and like Oh, we're going to open this window for a little bit. Great. Shut lock. Like check them all. lock and so i don't know. Maybe I also like a lot of true crime. So maybe I'm just.
01:33:06
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paranoid in that way. but And I like a lot of horror movies, so maybe I'm just extra paranoid. But it was insane that they were just driving like every car window. yeah they was open the entire time.
01:33:18
Speaker
They're literally being chased by spiders and like all the windows are open. the Yeah, the windows are down. And it's like... It's one of those things it's like, is it a cinematography thing? Because like there's like glare. Yeah. And stuff from lights and stuff.
01:33:29
Speaker
could be. But also I have seen so many movies where that's not an issue. I'd like to think that was intentional. Like um just kind of a stupid bit. Like could be the window's got to be down. Yeah. So the spiders get like. So they get get get yeah to places. Yeah. Which I mean, you know, it is worth it.
01:33:47
Speaker
I think my last biggest issue, it kind of ties into the like too whimsical and not like as serious as I think it could have been, but still, you know, could have done like the spoof parody thing is, um, why did the spiders have human emotions and reactions to stuff?
01:34:09
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Um, The spiders were very humanized ah in the way they like acted. like With the explosion, with the tanker, one of them comes out and like dramatically falls over and like makes a like like a noise. when um I didn't notice that. When the spiders get into the diner, one of them jumps on the deer head and like goes to attack it because it can tell it's like an animal and it wants to attack it.
01:34:40
Speaker
It attacks it. It bites it and like goes like pulls out and is like, oh, it's just like stuff and goes like pit and like spits it out. That's, I think, physically impossible for spiders to do But it's a very recognizable human thing.
01:34:54
Speaker
And the worst one, the absolute worst one that I was like, all right, I'm so actually a little bit mad about this. When Chris is on the tower on top of the mall, you know exactly what I'm about to say, don't you? think so And he zip lines down to the HVAC unit so he can, like, crawl back in that way. a spider also zip lines down, which spider zip lining down, okay, that's not even the worst part.
01:35:23
Speaker
He goes, Chris goes, ah, like, and stuff, ah because of adrenaline, he's scared, like, whatever. Yeah. The spider goes, ah. like makes a similar noise and i'm like they literally can't do that and so it was like there was like they were like the spiders were like cheeky and like kishy and like doing like little i thought you're gonna say when he jumps into the uh air vent and the spider just completely like oh yeah gets hit like just doinks yeah he just he like like
01:35:56
Speaker
yeah They make like these like like cartoon animal like noises and stuff, which that's great for a Disney movie, that's great for a Pixar movie, that's great for anime, that's great for fucking Pokemon and stuff. like It was just like slightly dispersed in there. Yeah, it was just like... there was just
Balancing Humor and Horror
01:36:14
Speaker
like like a good like three to five moments specifically don't know maybe they got smarter maybe they just got more they just got bigger dude it was just because they were taking the steroids from the toxic waste because of the bugs they were eating and the fucking crazy guy was giving up it didn't make them smarter and if it did it never got brought up but they like became like they like personified them like they animomorphized them in a way like mentally where they were like
01:36:39
Speaker
making squeaking noises and again i do not again i'm not an expert someone correct me if i'm wrong i don't think spiders can bite something and then go and like spit it out like they're disgusted by it i think they just bite stuff and then they drop it they just go And then they move on if they're getting something. I don't know.
01:36:58
Speaker
I can't argue. That's part of the like, that was another part of the whimsical thing that I was like, I got, I got to bring that up. Yeah. I was like, that's fair. i was like, no, these are,
01:37:11
Speaker
These are straight up animals just killing people like that. Like Jaws didn't do any goofy shit like that. And Jaws is scary as fuck. Yeah. The Meg didn't do anything like that. And there's scenes in the Meg that are fucking horrifying. They were very much themselves. Yeah. Like that was an action romp. But like.
01:37:28
Speaker
yeah like ah We'll not talk about Jaws 3 when they're in an underwater thing like in the Meg and it was horrible CGI of the type where it doinks into the window and then it shatters. It's so bad looking and stuff. Jaws 3 is whatever. just I think is one that's a very fair point.
01:37:46
Speaker
yeah I didn't even really notice that ah besides i couldn't win when in the tower when it just doinked right off of the air vent. I was like A spider would... they They have a little more attention than that. They're not going to be like a human like just completely ragdolling. Yeah, it was just like... it was just like It was goofy for goofy's sake is what it felt like. yeah i felt And I found that to at that point with taking into consideration like the score and everything ba of like, oh, why is this upbeat and whimsical when it should be like scary? like
01:38:21
Speaker
like you can Again, you can do both. and like yeah You can keep it the one tone and hit both points, I think. That was just like the final nail in the coffin. When I picked up on that at some point, I was like...
01:38:31
Speaker
I was like, they're literally like doing human things and stuff. And like, that's fair. A big point of these like big monster movies that they're spoofing is that they're just like, they're mindless and stuff.
01:38:46
Speaker
Unless I rebuttal myself. Unless they actually are somehow aliens. Or aliens. Harlan was right the entire time. Maybe. Maybe.
01:38:57
Speaker
um Based on how the movie's set up, I don't think that's right. No, I don't think that's true. don't think it makes sense. But I love Harlan's dad. Yeah, Harlan. he was probably one of, if not my favorite characters the entire time. He's funny.
01:39:10
Speaker
Same here. He really brought it all together. The goofiness. Yeah, his goofiness. makes sense and works you know doubling there's always a there's always a more silly character in all these kind of old movies and stuff so i don't think i got anything else don't know if you got something else you got something else hit me i just got a few ones that i want to shoot off just funny moments all right oh the the mayor with the ostrich burger Jesus Christ. He was at the diner he's like, man, this ostrich burger is really good.
01:39:38
Speaker
And like the only other animals we saw was an ostrich. I'm like, are they like starving in this? like Dude, I don't know. Because like when they have the town meeting, he's like... Like they're all bitching about like why the town's like, he's like this, they're all like this stupid mall that we don't need yeah ah and stuff like, like what, like it was a terrible idea, mayor.
01:39:56
Speaker
And then they're like the ostrich farm. And he goes, and Wade goes, he says, he says ostriches are, are, are like, like a prosperous business and the meat's great. Like, you like and then it cuts back. Yeah. What a great. ah Yeah. And end this is really good tonight.
01:40:16
Speaker
thought that was hilarious. That definitely, I definitely had to pause the movie for a second and be like, Oh my fucking God. Like that, like that was a good bit. Like that's a good quick little joke.
01:40:27
Speaker
Like it was the first one. And then a callback to it. but you could have had all the tone be the same horror thing and be like this is a horror comic they have no they have no cow's beef yeah there's late only us ostrich beef burgers can i get a cheeseburger an ostrich cheeseburger yeah can i get an ostrich burger please yeah like come on uh the next one is uh perfume was a wmd that where hes phrased That was another one of those it's being way too human. Because it like goes like...
01:41:04
Speaker
Yeah, you're kind of right. you're kind of right But i love like I love the creativity. And the kid was so smart. The kid needed some tool. Yeah, the kid who saved yeah Chris and his aunt and therefore the town because they were actually able to go find the gold after. There
Achieving Potential and Nostalgia Value
01:41:20
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were two people who knew exactly how to get it. felt that was a very important tool. Maybe it wasn't fleshed out like we we wanted. i respect it.
01:41:28
Speaker
and The perfume was like, hey, I i have a higher level thinking of like what is going help you. Sure. And I get that. And I thought, and I did, it was silly too. Like, I like that he like that. He uses it finally.
01:41:43
Speaker
Cause like for a moment there, I was like, I was like, do they not? you i was like, that's such a like typical, like checkoffs gun. like oh use this it'll help like so of course they're gonna use it at some point like and stuff and i was like oh damn do they not use it i just enjoyed that scene of just the the spraying yeah but again it's like it's so goofy because is david arquette is like yeah like he does like a little And it goes and it goes like like a dog almost. Like look yeah like at least. like and like Just plays into his like sappy character. I mean, yeah. again it Again, it makes sense in that scene. But also a second ago I was shaking because this giant spider was walking up. and now i'm so And now it's like a completely different tone. Because the the music got whimsical too. again got more
01:42:29
Speaker
The last one I have is mannequin the mannequin sexual innuendo. do you remember that yeah Pete goes into that store that like was already out of business or whatever and it was just a bunch of mannequins that was yeah and that was the quickest little quick shot yeah yeah again have it should have leaned in I will argue it should have leaned into more of that but like that I enjoyed that so funny because he doesn't even notice it's literally a shot for us yeah like you know just like boom like yeah and like that was great but like the fuck what was that I don't know but
01:43:04
Speaker
All being said and done. All that being said, everything we've just talked about, I think I'm... I'm going to say, and you can disagree, we don't have to come to an agreement. yeah yeah well you know i' I'll post a poll on Instagram and we'll see what everybody else thinks about it. but like I'm going to say it's bad because i don't remember the last time I saw it being like noticing this, like God, there's so much potential here.
01:43:36
Speaker
like if we if if they had done it... just a little bit different, not even that much. Like if they had just done a little, a couple of things, a little bit different, this could have been a really good, like they could have done the, like what we do in the shadows type thing where they're like taking the horror seriously, but it's still very funny.
01:43:54
Speaker
And like, obviously like, like cause There's definitely moments like in like you've seen in the show when they like kind of like vampire out and stuff. like yeah it's like That's intense. like they like they It looks scary and stuff. like yeah Fuck, like that's kind of a lot like for what's supposed to like be a comedy or whatever. like if they They could have been doing that Way before. like they could have, they could if they had been able to tap into that, I think this would be like, this would have been fucking crazy.
01:44:21
Speaker
And then the bad that's really bad is just really bad, but there are some really good moments in there. So I liked it more than I, thought I was going to, but I'm still saying it's bad because they got me thinking, damn it, there was a better way to do this. And that's one of the worst things about doing this podcast. There's some movies that I'm like, I have to say it's bad because they fucked it up. Like they had the right idea, but they fucked it up. So I'm still going to say it's bad.
01:44:48
Speaker
That's, that's my, that's completely fair. I'm going to say,
01:44:55
Speaker
I think we're coming to an agreement somewhat because I personally love this movie just for nostalgic purposes for the goofiness of it.
01:45:08
Speaker
Um, but there were some watching it as an adult. There were some tonality issues. Sure. And I wish that it's close to great, but I'm going to say it's good. Yeah. Um, I'm not going to say it's bad. Right.
01:45:26
Speaker
Uh, I'm taking it for what it is. Like, You're never going to have a perfect sandwich, you know? But sometimes you're eating a sandwich and you're like, this is this is pretty good. And that's where I'm kind of at with eight-legged freaks.
01:45:39
Speaker
And that's fair. so So basically, we're saying the same thing. You're okay with it. I'm not. Yeah, you're not. You're angry. I'm like, goddammit, this could have been so much better. Like, yeah like you're saying...
01:45:52
Speaker
this is a pretty damn good sandwich. I'm happy. No, no, don't need to sub anything out. Don't need to substitute like this for that. And I'm like, damn it. If I had just ordered it with this instead of this, it would have been, it would have been right there. And I would have been like, this is a great sandwich, but I'm sitting here content with like my sandwich. I'm not really thinking about how it could be better.
01:46:13
Speaker
Yeah. So I think Maybe that says more about me than it does about this movie, honestly. I don't know. With that said, though, if there is reboot, I want it to be like pure horror. I would love pure horror. mean, pure horror, big spider movie. Yeah.
01:46:28
Speaker
Because it's going to scare everyone shitless. I don't know a single person who like, don't know anybody who's like this fucking kid who just loves them. Yeah, that's super into spiders. And is like, oh my god. It is a very small percentage of the population. They're important. You know, all science is important.
01:46:45
Speaker
You know, and like, we need to know stuff about everything. Great. But I'm killing those motherfuckers. Austin's killing those motherfuckers for me while I'm literally cowering around a corner being like, did you get it? Did you get it? Did you get it? Okay. And then like, okay, I can go in this room again, but I'm not going over there for at least 20 minutes in case there's another one for some fuck-ass reason. I will say the horror did hit, though. I mean, I was looking around my house and I saw just a little thing move and I was like, ooh. Oh, yeah. I definitely had that, too. I went to the bathroom after...
01:47:19
Speaker
uh between this viewing and then watching the mist after because i was like oh need like a really good one i i like was like gotta watch yeah um i definitely like went to the bathroom and i like opened the door and like something moved across the floor and i was like what the fuck and i was like oh which it's so like ah it's like it's like it's just a little bit of dust it like a little dust that's on the floor like not a big deal and i was like okay but like yeah i was like i definitely and like um And then after watching the mist, like between the two of there's like giant bugs in that too, for a bit, I was like itchy. I was like, I was like, I was like, I went to go to bed and like put on something like light before I went to bed and stuff. And I was, so I was like, I'll watch it up. And was like, Oh, I'm going like, you snuggle up and lay here. And I was just like, just like, I was like, God, I'm fucking itchy as fuck. Like I was like, anything that touches me right now. Yeah.
01:48:09
Speaker
So did a great job with that. I'll give you that. But yeah. So Great sandwich could have been better sandwich. Just good enough sandwich. Good enough sandwich. I'm content. you know It doesn't have to be perfect. Could have been better sandwich. if i had only I would say that's a fair agreement. I think that's i think that's a good consensus. um Well, on that note, um, yeah, uh, follow on social media, bad movie debate, bad movie debate pod, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, uh, you know, all those places, uh, vote in the poll on what you think just good enough sandwich or, or, uh, good enough or a could be better sandwich.
01:48:49
Speaker
Um, and, uh, yeah, we'll see what y'all think. Um, Thank you so much for jumping on, man. I'm glad we finally did one. Thanks for having me. This blast. Is there anything? um i I do this sometimes. I don't always do it.
01:49:04
Speaker
Is there anything you want to plug or shout out? Anything? It doesn't have to be something personally or benefiting you. could just be like, watch the Cubs. like Yeah, no, not really. I guess just watch the Cubs. Go fucking Cubbies. Go visit Wrigley Field. It's the best field in the MLB. It's the only MLB field I've ever been to because ah my dad is a Cubs fan. love that. I was a Razor Cub fan, so go Cubbies. Yeah. I'm with you on Nothing to plug. I literally am not on social media. I just look at Instagram reels. Oh, yeah. No, you can direct you can direct people to something, too. I had a, yeah, nothing in my mind. I had somebody on a while ago, my friend Asia, and I was like, Oh, is there anything you want people to like pay attention to or like plug anything? And she was like, the Drake Kendrick beef is the most important pop culture thing going on right now. And if you aren't caught up, you need to get caught up because there's major ramifications from it. I was like, that's great. Like, yeah, that works.
01:49:55
Speaker
It can be as simple as go Cubs. like I wish there was something my mind that was heavier. Pop is pretty lame right now. There's not anything fun going on. Except for that Coldplay concert. watch Superman. Yeah, dude. Go watch Superman, dude.
01:50:08
Speaker
Simple as that. Maybe fucking rocks. Yeah, if we were talking about that movie, it just would have been like... and i agree yeah I agree. I agree. agree. Yeah. There's really have been the most boring podcast ever. So fucking boring. Cause it's like, there's literally no notes. There's nothing. I think my, we'll end on this. I think my one note on Superman is
Wrap-Up and Social Media Shoutouts
01:50:28
Speaker
the fight choreography, except for the one scene with Mr. Terrific, pretty standard. Like, and it's like, I was hoping maybe we'd see a little something more interesting again.
01:50:37
Speaker
the Mr. Terrific one with that song playing and Lois Lane and stuff was fucking awesome. I was hoping there would have been more of that, but it was like a lot of like, oh, it's, you know since Iron Man, like we've, this is all the choreography we've always seen. That was literally my only note, negative note on that. way That it wasn't, that the choreography wasn't, uh, it was,
01:50:56
Speaker
shot pretty standard normal like exactly it just seems like fast yeah like just like so fast and definitive like okay yeah it's like yeah it really creative like it's like it's like it's like you get out of it a little bit because it's like it's not cinematography wise like and editing wise it's like copy paste of like everything since iron man except except for that one scene it's also just superman like this is a superman beat the shit out of people yeah punch kick yeah which is awesome a1 blaze into him I wish there was more lasers which there was yeah that laser scene was like that laser scene was good yeah he didn't use his laser thing like at all I was just hungry for more like yeah no I'm excited killing gang yeah the waves spinning I was like that was because that was in the trailer and I was like yeah
01:51:37
Speaker
we got that spoiled a little bit. I'm like, i was hoping there's a couple more scenes. Like, yeah, exactly. see I think that's part of it. Cause like that scene in the mission, terrific one was great. The mission, terrific one, if that was in the trailer, I would have been pissed. Cause that was the best fight scene. and That was so cool. Yeah. Um, but yeah, we digress. Superman's amazing. Go watch it. Uh, if you don't like it dumb.
01:51:56
Speaker
Yeah. That's all I have to say. Just stop. Just go. Don't watch this. Yeah. Don't watch this. Go watch fucking Justice League. Yeah. Fucking nerd. Go Wonder Woman. Well, Wonder Woman 1's okay. Wonder Woman 2's terrible. terrible. It's alright.
01:52:10
Speaker
Alright, well that's it. Bye. See ya.