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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. Here we are again. Yeah, another Thursday in the basement. Before we get started, I want to thank our sponsor, Hayfla. Hayfla offers a wide range of products and solutions for the woodworking and furniture making industries from hinges and drawer slides to connectors and dowels, sandpaper, wood glue, shop carts, and everything in between. Exclusive product lines such as looks LED lighting and Slido door hardware,
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Heavy Shop Cart Delivery
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Yeah, we got our shop call yesterday. Yeah. Speaking of shop courts. Thing was heavy. 195 pounds it says on the box. Yeah. So it's leaning up against the steps and I got to grab it, you know, like it doesn't move.
00:02:04
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Oh, geez.
Q&A Session Introduction
00:02:07
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So this is a Q&A episode. Yeah, I like the Q&A episodes. I'm indifferent. Sometimes I, I don't know.
00:02:21
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We'll see how this one goes. Chad of Chad's customs is the reigning champion. Yeah. Oh, uh, we got to reach out to Conestoga and see what the lead time is on that. Uh, and then, okay.
Email Check for Q&A
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Um, find me at 4.30 PM to contact Conestoga. Thanks Siri.
00:02:46
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Uh, yeah, so let's say we'll pop open the email and see what we got. Kind of juicy tidbits. Yeah.
Wisconsin Beer, Cheese, and Scope Documents
00:02:56
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Let me see if I can, what I'll do is I'll pull them up on this other screen. Just like a teleprompter. This guy, Francis Trinidad, won't stop emailing me. Where's he from?
00:03:13
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Uh, two 36 sweet spot street. That's not fake. Definitely not. I help e-comm furniture companies with Facebook slash Instagram advertising and implementing augmented reality into their website. Well, thanks Francis Trinidad. I think I have to open this through web browser. No augmented reality for me.
00:03:42
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Yeah, it's not really, uh, really for us. All right. So there we go. This, uh, click button is really stuck on this damn mouse now. There we go. Now it's unstuck. And
00:04:07
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Zooming in. So I guess we'll go in order as they were received. All right. That's good. So our first question is from our buddy Matt. Matt Sutter, also known as first due construction.
00:04:21
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Oh, yeah. On your social medias. I saw him building some stuff. He's working on that garage. Yeah, I think that's at his house. Yeah. He was in like Minneapolis or something this morning. He drove like four hours to go to a job or something, but I didn't see exact details of this. So this came in six days
Patreon Past Discussions
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ago. So this was like right after last week's episode. He probably listened to the episode and then said, oh, they're asking for questions. I better email.
00:04:51
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Fellas, a couple of questions. Any review or thoughts on the Wisconsin beer and cheese? I guess we'll read both and then we'll go back. Number two, when developing a scope of work document for a new client or a new project that you have not done before, what's your process to make sure you cover all the points needed for your document? I'm planning to go back to season one if it's covered in that series. Hope you guys can keep the podcast going. I enjoy hearing from you guys no matter what the topic.
00:05:20
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Very
Larger Projects and Tool Purchases
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nice. Even the secret space program? That's a select breed. So the first one, Wisconsin beer and cheese. Well, those cheese cards did not make it past the first week. That's what I was going to say. Those didn't last long. I don't think they lasted two days.
00:05:43
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whenever we busted into them, it was the same day or the next day they were gone. It was a quick slide. Yeah. Those are like, I know they're not labeled as, but those are like single serving packages. No.
00:05:58
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Oh, yeah. That was like a pound of cheese each or something like that. Oh, God. Oh, man. They were good. Yeah. So what do you bring us? It was like Cajun, I think. Yeah. There was one that was kind of like spiced up and garlic. Yes. Yes. Three regular garlic and Cajun or was it garlic and Cajun?
00:06:22
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Wow. It's such a long time ago, right? Yeah. That was a, when they did the timber in a Baker camp. So that must've been in the summertime. Yeah. Holy cow.
00:06:34
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They were good. And then the beer we actually brought to maker cam. Yeah. Yeah. We had it in the fridge for a long time. It was good. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, we spread it around a little bit. Yeah. Um, everyone enjoyed, I think there was like a, was it a coffee fill? I've had one, uh, it was like a milk stout or something. Yeah. That was the one I had.
00:06:56
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Yeah. I tried, uh, I think I tried, there was 12. So I think there was six different kinds to each. I must've had three or four of them. Yeah. They were good. It was all good. It was all good. Um, and it was especially nice thinking, you know, of, uh, getting them as a gift, you know, that, that made them even tastier, I think. Oh yeah. And you know, we missed you at maker cam, Matt. So it was like you were there. Yeah.
00:07:27
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What do you think about this second question?
00:07:29
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Well, well, you know, if you've listened to us for any length of time, you know that we work off of a spreadsheet that we developed. So it's, you know, unless there's something that slips through the cracks, like a specialty item, even though there is a line that says specialty, it gets you thinking about it. We pretty much have all the bases covered. I'm wondering if he's talking more about like verbiage within the school because he's saying scope of work document. I see.
00:08:01
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I mean, really, it's just you just got to be thorough and really think hard about the job and how you're going to do it and what should be spelled out super specifically or not. You know, sometimes you leave things purposely ambiguous and sometimes you make them extremely specific on purpose. Oh, yeah. You know, depending on what the, you know, the end goal of the project is, sometimes you you don't want to
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spell it out because you want a little bit of flexibility when you start building it to say, okay, well, we're going to do it this way or that way or whatever. And then other times you want to be able to say, you know, they could say, well, what about this? And you say, well, no, look, it's right here. We said it's going to be exactly like this. And that's what we did. So, um, and inevitably one way or the other is going to bite you in the ass at some point in the, in the job. But, um, okay.
00:08:54
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I kind of like to go through the job in my mind, you know what I mean? Step by step. Yeah, that's exactly what I was just about to say. Think about, you know, picture the fabrication and the installation.
00:09:13
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And then that'll get your mind working on what, what could go wrong or what, you know, whatever. That's kind of what, what the, the documents for real, you know, to safeguard against any confusion as to what you're going to deliver and sort of, you know, it protects you and the client, but you know, since we're drafting the document, we have our own protection in mind first, I would suppose.
00:09:41
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Yeah. Try and, try and think about any kind of potholes you might step into. They're always there. So thanks Matt. That was a good question. I hope it helps. I, uh, I'm sure we talked about it at some point in season one. We probably talked about that in the Patreon, the first live stream that we did, um, which we don't do those anymore. But if you sign
Kitchen Cabinet Construction
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up for the Patreon, you do have access. I think Matt is a patron or was a patron or I don't know. Um, but yeah, that, that should be in there going back.
00:10:12
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to probably, um, December, 2020, something like that. Wow. Yeah. That's, that's quite a long time. All right. Here's our next question. It's from our buddy Miles, Miles Thompson. He's also known as timber and vine woodworking, um, or eat, drink wine guy. I don't know if he, if that's a public, uh,
00:10:40
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Well, it's no miles if you want to publicly advertise. I guess it's a little late now, but... Hey, Jeff and Rob. Hope you're well. Congrats again on the new digs. Very, very exciting. Some podcast questions below for you. What larger project or projects in scope or in size are you looking forward to do most in the new shop that you couldn't really do in the old shop? What are the plans with the laser cutter now that all the boxes are done? You got the slider and the forklift. What's next big or small tool purchase?
00:11:10
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Also would love to see you bring back John Peters or Manny or one of your many other guests from the podcast. They were always great podcasts to listen to. Take care otherwise and good luck with the move. Cheers, Miles.
00:11:23
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You know, it's funny that he mentioned bringing guests on because I was thinking about that today because I could have sworn we'd had one podcast in the bank. That's why I was surprised when he said we had to do a podcast today. But it was on my mind this morning. I was like, you know, once we move into the new shop, we'll have a little studio set up. It'd be nice to have some guests come back again. Oh, yeah.
00:11:50
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Yeah, I mean, you know, it's tough here. Hey, it's my house and, you know, then there's the travel and getting somebody here during the day, you know, when we typically record the podcast. But I think, yeah, once once we're set up over there, it would definitely be nice. Yeah.
00:12:09
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Yeah, I miss those episodes as well. Yeah, I mean they're they're so easy for us too because Lot less talking and the other thing is it makes us it's just there's more to talk about oh, yeah
00:12:24
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Yeah, there's just more to talk about. It's easy to talk to someone else for an hour. But for us, a lot of times we come down here, if we don't have something in mind, I mean, it's hard to eke out an hour of a podcast without a real focused topic, which is, you know,
Returning to Old Jobs and Travel Charges
00:12:42
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we're not always the best. That's why season two was so good because it was so focused. But, you know, it gets a little heady for people too.
00:12:51
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Yeah. Yeah. John Peters and Manny are both two good guests. We could have Keith on. Yeah. I'd like Lou to come on. I don't think he wants to come on though. No, lose the reserve type. Yeah. Well, we'll work on him. We'll work on him. He will just mic him up without him known.
00:13:13
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It'd be like, you know, when they do that, uh, like on football, the mic'd up, you know, I could imagine what he'd be saying all through the day. I got a new test result in my chart from New Jersey Urology.
00:13:33
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Oh man. We could talk about that next episode. So what do you think? What larger project or projects are we looking forward to doing most in the new shop?
00:13:45
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Um, before I even get into that, I'm looking forward to just doing the regular size projects. Yeah. Spread out where I don't, you know, I could, uh, if you're doing something, I could go over to the saw or whatever, you know, you don't have to worry about, um, bumping into something or
00:14:09
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You know, it's going to be nice just to have a little bit more breathing room around all the tools. Be able to, you know, use any machine at any time because there's nothing in the way. You have to unplug something to plug something back in. You know, you could stash parts, you know, cut stuff up and put it on a cart and leave it in the corner until you're ready to work on it.
00:14:32
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I mean, larger projects like, you know, now if we get a kitchen, it's going to be a lot easier because of the size and everything. Yeah. Those multi-cabinet jobs are really where it's at, you know, especially with the slider and the edge bander. Yep. Not to mention the forklift. No more that unloading off the truck by hand. Yeah. Thank God.
00:15:03
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So really, it's everything, Miles. We're just happy to have some space. Yeah. We got to bring the welder over there so that,
Essential Saw Blades for Hobbyists
00:15:13
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you know, maybe we could do some little welding projects, incorporate some metal into the jobs where we don't have to lean so much on Manny and trying to do things.
00:15:24
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after hours because we can't be welding in the shop while we're working in the shop and it's not, I mean, the shop's not set up for welding anyway. But over there, you know, we got, it's, well, I mean, the shop now is concrete floor, but we'll have big swaths of concrete where we could weld and it's not going to be a problem.
00:15:47
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Yeah. I mean, I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to it. You know, we should we'll probably let's save we'll save shop updates for next episode. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to record to today because next week is Thanksgiving and we record on Thursdays. You're not going to be catching us recording on Thanksgiving. No, no, we got big plans. Yeah. Huge. What are the plans with the laser cutter now that the boxes are done?
00:16:16
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I mean, we've been using the laser even while we've been doing the boxes. It's great for cutting curve parts, especially templates. Before we even got into the boxes, we did the big Patek Philippe wall and we used the hell out of laser for that. Just another watch box, doing another four watch boxes. So it's in constant use. Plus we're going to be doing more boxes.
00:16:46
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Yes. Yeah. We learned a lot. First run, next next run will be better and probably a little bit quicker. Hopefully. And it'll seem like it anyway, because we're all, you know, we're only going to attack 500 at a time. Right. Yeah. A thousand is just too much. Yeah. Way too much. Oh, man. Yeah. Because a thousand really means like 1100.
00:17:17
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Right.
00:17:23
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I wouldn't mind trying
Plans for the New Shop Space
00:17:24
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some more engraving and things like that. And, um, you know, putting, uh, logos and, and stuff on parts. Yeah. So we're doing the, um, the foyer thing for Nancy, and we're going to use the laser to cut, um, these acorns into the door panels. So we use it for that.
00:17:50
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Um, I mean, it's super handy for all kinds of stuff. It is. It is. Um, I hate that when you get an email and it's like, Oh, log in for this. And then you try and log in. It's like the website's like, that doesn't work.
00:18:10
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So next question, you got the slider in the forklift and I don't know if Miles doesn't know or he just forgot that we got the edge banner as well. What's the next big or small tool purchase?
00:18:24
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Well, we got to get those machines up and running. We got to get our hands on a couple of manuals. Yep. Oh yeah. I forgot. I got to
Frameless Cabinets and Business Start-up Advice
00:18:32
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email styles. We got to put some parts of the slider together, that fence and stuff like that. I was looking at it a couple of times while I was there. I don't know if there's like a couple of nuts and bolts missing or maybe, you know, but I have to get that going. Just clamp a two by four on there.
00:18:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't know. What are you thinking? What do you, what's on your wish list? I mean, I wouldn't consider it a tool, but we really want to get some cantilever racks for the one for the plywood and one for the hardwood. Um, I put a call out to a place on Tuesday.
00:19:11
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And he said, Oh yeah, I'll email you something. I might even get it to you tonight. Well, God knows I haven't heard from him. Racks and shelving. Yeah. Um, I mean, not in the near future, but if things go well, that cut center, what is that? What is called the cut center? Ready? Cut center. Yeah. We got to find a spot for that.
00:19:36
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Yeah. We'll be parking the van on the street. That's yeah. Well, I don't know if we should leave it in the street. We have to drive it there and back. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's not a leave, leave the beautiful Mercedes van out on the street kind of place. I mean, we've got a bunch of cameras coming, but still tain enough. Yeah. Um,
00:20:05
Speaker
Now that we can't return those, those freaking eight cameras, we could probably run a couple of those outside, like through certain spots, but I can't see running all those wires. No, we could have some inside and then maybe one or two outside. Um, but that's, that's a discussion for next episode.
00:20:28
Speaker
Uh, but aside from, aside from that, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I liked the idea of shelving. Oh, the cut ready cut center. We didn't even say that we have. We talked about that before. I don't think it's just a crazy CNC. That's a,
00:20:42
Speaker
It's a five by 10 CNC that has integrated software. Right. It's like a pre-programmed cabinet making CNC and you can run your own files on it as well, but it removes a lot of the need for programming out.
00:20:59
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it'd be really handy for doing, again, we keep coming back to a kitchen because that's the easiest example of like a multi-cabinet job where you're doing all this casework. You tell it that you want to do, you know,
00:21:19
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inset doors and face frames, and it does all the math. You just say, oh, I need a 25 and seven eighths inch wide cabinet. And it computes
00:21:35
Speaker
all of the inners and prints out labels. I think you can enter your edge banding thickness if you don't have pre-milling. It prints a sticker for your off fall like the pieces that are left over and then you could scan those back into the machine and it'll use those on your next
00:21:58
Speaker
your next run, you know, like it'll fill those in with rails and whatever first. Pretty cool. I think you could cut drawer boxes on it. Yeah. It's got a suction cup thing that flips the sheet over. Yep. Aside from that, I mean, I think a planer would be nice. New planer.
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00:22:19
Speaker
Yeah. Bigger planer. Yeah. Like a, you know, a 20 some odd inch or 30 inch. Yeah. So that moves faster because I think it's damn slow. I'd like at least a 24. Yeah. That's something we could probably pick up at an auction too. Oh yeah.
00:22:36
Speaker
Um, and luckily we'll have a sub panel right, uh, near those tools. So again, I don't want to ruin our material for next episode. Uh, so yeah, really we want some racks and we would, we'd like to get a CNC if, if, uh, the work's there. Yeah, definitely.
00:22:57
Speaker
And we kind of spoke about the guests. Yeah. Guests. We want them. Yeah. And we're looking forward to it as well. Well, good questions, Miles. Let's see who's next.
Closing and Contest Announcement
00:23:14
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Next up is Cody Homan. Yeah, I think so. H-O-M-A-N or Homan. Homan. I'd say probably Homan. Yeah. Two-part question.
00:23:26
Speaker
What's your preferred construction for kitchen cabinet boxes and how do you size in comparison? How do you size them in comparison to your face frames? For example, if your face frame has a 30 inch opening, would you have a box with a 30 and a half inch opening to give you a quarter inch difference on both sides? Thanks for the help and love the podcast, Cody.
00:23:50
Speaker
I like, for a kitchen, for any long run of cabinets, I like a separate base. Because I never used the feet before, like the legs, but that's pretty easy too.
00:24:06
Speaker
Well, I like the base and when I, especially when I worked by myself, you could go in on a day and I used to like to do that when the cabinets got delivered. I would call that like a, like a day one thing. The movers are bringing the cabinets and I'd set the base and then it was easy. Yep. You know, just plop the cabinets on top.
00:24:33
Speaker
Um, so I guess the, you know, construction would be, what would you call that? Where the boxes don't have that, that cut out for the toe kick. Just a loose, a loose toe. Yeah. That's, that's why I like it. They call those like gable gable den, uh, where the, where it's an integral toe, like those are, they call them gable lens. Um,
00:24:57
Speaker
Yeah, I like to use the legs mostly because I built in the box toes is very time consuming. That's true. And then you got to make sure that they're nice and rigid, otherwise defeats the purpose. Right. And they use a lot of material. So you might use an entire sheet of plywood for for one, you know, run a cabinets. Let's say it's a 12 foot run by the time you rip it up into, you know, four inch strips or whatever.
00:25:27
Speaker
You're a whole sheet of plywood in basically. And they're big too. Like you got to move them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, when they're not rigid, they start to bend when you, you know, you got to shim the hell out of them. The feet are, are, are cheap. They're fast to put on. They're super strong. You know, they have a lot of adjustment. You don't need to use any shims on the bottom.
00:25:52
Speaker
We haven't tried it, but a lot of guys do a cleat on the wall and a feed in the front, which seems like a good system because it's hard to adjust the ones in the back anyway, unless you use the Hayfla. Yeah, we have one in the shop we had that they gave us the, or did we buy that? That's not why I bought that. I have the feet right over there for my kitchen.
00:26:16
Speaker
So I bought the cheap one for the, what does Rich say? The less expensive one? Yeah. There's no salesman. He said, well, it's not cheap. It's just less expensive. I like the idea of a cleat on the back cause that that's a way of like setting the back completely straight and level. Right. You know, I never tried that, but I think I might've done it a couple of times, but on just like on a singular cabinet, like where it was like a,
00:26:45
Speaker
you know, maybe like a wall unit kind of thing between two walls, like in a fireplace or something like that, where you have like, you know, zero access to the bag. But for a kitchen, it would be good.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of like that idea. I was thinking about trying that in my kitchen because the floors are whacked. Yeah. And it's always worse by right at that junction between the wall and that and the floor right there. Yeah. It's either built up from the floors being sanded over time or it's falling away because it's, you know, old. There's always something going on in that corner.
00:27:25
Speaker
Um, but I think maybe he's asking too about like the joinery for the cabinet itself. Yeah. Um, I mean for face frame cabinets, staples and screws. Yeah. I don't think there's any reason to do anything, anything more than that. No. With a planted on back.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah. It's bomb proof. I mean, you could throw it off the roof. Yes. And we've all seen, I mean, we've said this a thousand times, we've all seen the Home Depot cabinets that have been, you know, made out of half inch particle board that are still hanging up on the wall after 15, 20 years. It's being held in one screw and you're whaling on it with a hammer and you can't get it to break apart. Yeah.
00:28:10
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, we use good plywood and we put in plenty of fasteners. Yeah.
00:28:19
Speaker
maybe five staples, three screws, something like that. Yeah. I always like to shoot in a staple to get my boxes together, you know, and then go back and, uh, countersink the screws in, you know, use nice, uh, whatever inch or five vase or two inch, like a two inch screw or cabinet construction. Um, yeah. Plant the back on.
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah. When I was again, working by myself, I used to like to do, um, dados cause it made putting the boxes, but together easy, you know, but it's a, it's a lot longer of a process as far as fabricating. Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:29:02
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And then, you know, then you can glue when you do a dado, you can glue them together. But then there's more math involved. You've got to subtract the width of, you know, the depth of your dado. And that's where it's nice to have a CNC because you can do that easy. It's just the CNC does the math, it cuts the thing.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of times, not a lot, but enough times where it was a nuisance, like the dado wouldn't be clean at the bottom, you know, where maybe the plywood wasn't completely pressed super flat against the... Yeah, I mean, like you're using a big sheet. Yeah, the blade wants to push the piece of plywood up off the table anyway. Yeah.
00:29:44
Speaker
If you have a power feeder, you know, it makes it a little bit more consistent. But then again, we need to have a power feeder on the dado saw now all the time. Yeah. So you got to choose your battles. Yeah. Yeah. I like the idea of doing it as, you know, quickly as possible. Yeah. Because the client doesn't care about the box. No. They want to spend the money on, you know, having a white oak door and a face frame.
00:30:11
Speaker
So if you can get them a white oak face frame and door, you know, if you can make that affordable for them by building the cabinet that way, which is totally, um, uh, I don't want to say satisfactory. That's makes it sound less, less than. Yeah. Because really the end result is the same as a data cabinet with data back. Um,
00:30:37
Speaker
Is the DATO cabinet stronger? Yeah, but it's still never going to see the amount of force it would take to blast it apart as just butted together with screws. Right. These cabinets are in place for good. You'd have to get it off the wall and beat on it with a sledgehammer to break it apart.
00:30:57
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Right. And, and have you ever tried to take apart a cabinet like, you know, it's like, let's say it's the wrong size or something got changed and you're like, you try and salvage it. It's hard to get them apart. Even just like a stapled on quarter inch back is hard to get off. Yeah. Depending on the cabinet. What about the face frame? Uh, pocket screws and glue. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know,
00:31:28
Speaker
And to connect, that's for joining the face frame together. And same thing for joining the face frame to cabinet, pocket screws and glue.
00:31:36
Speaker
I'm not sure I understand this question part of the question. If I have a 30 inch opening, would my box have a 30 and a half inch opening? Give me a quarter inch difference on both sides. Is he saying where the where the cabinet members in relation to the face frame members? Typically, we want to build it with the the inside of the face frame being flush with the inside of the cabinet. Yeah. You know, slightly face frame, slightly smaller one, maybe one sixteenth.
00:32:05
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If we have a cabinet that's 30 inches wide inside, we want a face frame that's 29 and 15, 16 wide on the inside. Gives you that fingernail kind of. Yeah. Little one 32nd of the face frame hanging over. Then you can put on your hinges and, and, uh, you know, have enough room for your door gap, but you don't have to try and get them perfectly flush. Um, you can use zero base plates.
00:32:34
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Although now that we're going to switch to Solice, it's not a zero. It's a three, I think you have to use a three. So much to learn. Yeah. Yeah, they should be. I think those are shipping today. I can remember three.
00:32:56
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But we've done it other ways too. Sometimes you do where the cabinet box is flush to the outside. If you have finished sides and you don't want to have a box with a finished end panel, we've done it like that. And then you just use a three quarter inch base plate.
00:33:12
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Yeah, a lot of that has to do with the design of the of the job, whether it's, you know, exposed sides, wall to wall, if it's a run of cabinets. Yeah. We try to, you know, keep it to a minimum, like we don't want to put two styles together, you know, from the posing cabinets and things like that. So you got like a three inch wide. Yeah, no, that's some some heck shit.
00:33:41
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Yeah. So like if we have a run of cabinets and it's like a 30 inch cabinet and this is all face frame, 30 inch opening, 30 inch opening, 30 inch opening, you know, we'll just have two, we'll just have three boxes that get attached to one another. And then when the face frame goes on where there's two sides touching, well, you naturally have that little one 30 second overhang because the plywood is slightly undersized. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's perfect.
00:34:11
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All right. So yeah, typically it's going to be flush, but it all depends. Thanks, Cody. Ah, we got a question here from our buddy, John. Morning, fellas at work this morning, standing by at an accident cleanup, trying to think of some questions. Oh, geez. John's a firefighter. Um, if you had to, would you go back?
00:34:36
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to work for another shop or a prior profession if things got rough with finding work or having new clients coming in. Number two. That's a deep question. Yeah, that's a, that's a terrifying thought. That being said, now that you've been around for a bit, have a name established, et cetera, do you still have that fear of uncertainty and the unknown with work and obtaining new clients? How far is too far for a job? I know you're going to Long Island and drop salt boxes to Connecticut.
00:35:06
Speaker
How do you guys upcharge for the distance and travel time? Thanks guys. Trying to keep you motivated with the Q and a and the brains working. Keep up the great job. John, John, hammerly. He's, uh, let me get his, uh, Instagram. He just posted the, he got a soul box. Jack 79 on Instagram. J a C K E D 79.
00:35:36
Speaker
Wow. So if you, if you, if you had to, would you go back to another shop or a prior profession if things got rough with finding work or having new clients coming in? Um, I would go back to another shop before I went to a prior profession.
00:35:58
Speaker
Yeah. Um, for me at my age, it'd be probably a little bit harder to even find a job. You know what I mean? You get aged out. Um, you know, so it'd have to be somebody who knew me. You know what I mean? That's, that's what it would have to be. Go back to work for Tom.
00:36:19
Speaker
Oh my God. You know, I might just have to like take early social security or something. Um, cause I couldn't get a job teaching at 60. Yeah, it'd be tough. You know, I could probably get it like an adjunct. I can go back and do something like that. Um, well that, that is a terrifying thought to try and do something like that. Yeah. I think I would just work
00:36:50
Speaker
that much harder. I mean, when, when there's no work, you have all that extra time now to just beat the bushes. Yeah. And, and that's, that's always been the case. I mean, whenever it's been slow and, um, it would have to be a pretty catastrophic, uh, event to, you know,
00:37:15
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We'd have to really be down and out like no work for like a month, you know, it'd have to go on for quite a while. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't have that kind of savings to last for that long, but, um, you know, you try and eat it out somehow before you, before you hang up your hat. Yeah.
00:37:32
Speaker
Um, yeah. Well, that would, I mean, like God forbid the economy collapses or something like that. Then everybody's in trouble. We'll just start selling drugs. That's it. We're in a good location now with the new shop. Yeah. There's high demand area. Yeah. You know, we could sublet spaces, you know, even though we're not supposed to. Yeah. Whatever, whatever it takes.
00:37:57
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Yeah, that's I mean, that's how I grew up and have lived my entire life. Basically, I know you're the same way. You do whatever you got to do. You got to be scrappy. I mean, when I first moved to New Jersey and I was a teacher at the time in New York, I was waiting for my teacher's license to come through.
00:38:20
Speaker
Now, the shop and my house are right next door to food town. First thing I did was I walked over to food town and got a job there. Because when you don't have a job, nothing's beneath you. And I worked slicing call cuts. And believe me, that could be a demeaning position. With those loose gloves.
00:38:46
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people talking down to you all day long about how you're slicing their deli meats. And I hated that job, but I went in at like five o'clock every morning until, you know, I had something else.
00:39:00
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Yeah. And you can't feel bad. You know, you go work there for whatever units, just a couple of weeks until something better breaks. Exactly. Let's see. That being said, now that you've been around for a bit and have your name established, et cetera, do you have fear, uncertainty and the unknown work and obtaining new clients? I mean, I think it's always going to be there, but it's definitely less than it was in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:26
Speaker
I don't really worry much. And that's just again, point of my life, you know, where you just don't, but once you're in business for yourself, that's always has to be a concern. You could never be complacent.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, the biggest thing you gotta realize is that worrying about it isn't going to fix it. So it's really a fool's errand to even worry about it. It's, you should be worrying about, you shouldn't be worrying about the fact that you don't have any work. You should be worrying. You should just be working at getting more. That's what I mean. You should be worried about the fact that you're not getting, you're not out there getting, getting the work. That's what you should be worrying about is getting the work, not that you don't have it. Um,
00:40:12
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If that makes sense. Yeah. Being more proactive and less reactive worrying sort of a reactive.
00:40:20
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And how far is too far? As far as they're willing to pay. That's right. California is within reach. Yeah. And we upcharge. It's just time and material, you know, like the boxes, you know, we kept that. We kind of did that pro bono. We just, we just had them covered or
00:40:44
Speaker
or gas and tolls and stuff like that because we hadn't worked any of that out prior. That was just a good guy thing. Yeah. And we got to meet those guys. So that was cool. See Adam's new house. So yeah, it's like with the Hamptons job, we just factored in the fact that it takes three, four hours to get there. We had to factor that in on all the work.
00:41:11
Speaker
Exactly. It's not hard to figure out the cost of travel. No. And then, you know, you add the pain in the ass factor, the fact that, you know, it is a pain in the ass to go out to the Hampton. So you got to charge a little bit extra. Um,
00:41:25
Speaker
Exactly. It's a cool job. They're nice clients. It gets us out into the Hamptons. We get to A, go to the Hamptons. B, get to have work in the Hamptons that may lead to more work. You know, there's, it's a, there's a good client base out there. So, um, those are all part of the, the quote unquote income of the job as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little adventure actually. Yeah. You know, an investment into what could be so.
00:41:54
Speaker
So, no distance is too far. Yeah. Thanks, John. We got a, John's been trying to get over to the shop. He's got some t-shirts for us. Oh man. But you know, things have been so crazy. We've got a question here for everybody. Ed Johns, local guy. Hello, Jeff and Rob.
00:42:14
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love listening to the podcast and best wishes for the new shop. It's going to be an awesome, it's going to be awesome and is an inspiration for those following along on your social media. For a hobbyist slash single person garage woodworker slash aspiring Etsy boy who just recently upgraded to a real table saw Delta Unisaw. Nice. Transitioning from Home Depot, Avanti and Diablo disposable sawblades to some quality stuff is quite a learning curve slash wallet bomb.
00:42:44
Speaker
What set of blades would you consider essential? Combo tooth, dado, thin line, thin line rip, et cetera. And then which kinds of blades are nice to have, but might be able to wait until you have a project that requires it. Or when you strike it big, when you strike it big selling epoxy river tables on eBay. Thanks in advance. Keep up the good work. Love Ed Johns. Oh man. That's a riot. I love his, his reels. Oh yeah. He's hysterical.
00:43:16
Speaker
Um, I think the truth of the matter is that good blades are not that much more expensive than the Home Depot. Maybe not Avanti Avanti is pretty cheap, but the Diablo stuff. Um, a good blade is not that much more expensive. No. And it kind of evens itself out and it's ease of use and life span, I believe. Yeah. Um,
00:43:45
Speaker
you're going to get a better result, you know, which is going to save you time and pay for itself in that way, too. What set of blades would you consider essential? Combo, tooth, dado, thinler, rip, etc? I mean, basically, if you want to get super basic, just get yourself a 40 tooth combo blade. I mean, a dado is another thing, but with a dado and a 40 tooth combo blade,
00:44:15
Speaker
with the ATBR pattern. I mean, you could do pretty much anything with those two blades. I'd add in the plywood blade, I guess when you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So really those three things. So what I would do is go to carbide.com.
00:44:36
Speaker
And that's where we've bought every single blade we have for the last probably two years. Go on their website and you plug in what you're looking for. It'll say like, all right, what do you want? You're looking for circular saw blades. You're looking for this. Okay. You go circular saw 10 inch, five, eight inch arbor. Well, what are you doing? Are you cutting hardwood? You could select hardwood and then it'll say, are you cutting, you know, half inch, one to two inch, two to four, whatever. And, and just,
00:45:06
Speaker
go through the drop downs until it spits out a list of blades. And I've been super happy with the Everlast blades. Yeah. I think they're really, really good value. Yeah. And carbide always has a good price on them and they're always marked down. That plywood blade that we have is like
00:45:27
Speaker
the next best thing to having a scoring blade. It's like the 1080 T or something by Everlast. Cause it's a 10 inch, 80 tooth. Yeah. 10 inch, 80 tooth, like double faced laminate blade, but we use it for, you know, all the plywood cross cut. I mean, super clean. Even on the riffs on white Oak, like, you know, no actual tear out. You get some little hairs where, where on the off cut side,
00:46:03
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I've been super happy with the Everlast plays. We got, we probably have half a dozen of them now. Yeah. Yeah. And we got that nice. We've got two of the 12 inch, um, I think they're a hundred tooth 12 inch that we use for even cutting rough lumber. And we haven't even changed that, changed that play yet. We've been running for over a year. You know, and I was shocked that I kept looking at every little, uh, uh, all those chamfers. I got this morning. I was like,
00:46:17
Speaker
but no tear out on the work piece.
00:46:31
Speaker
I can't believe how nice this is cutting. Yeah. It's like a picture frame blade, but we use it for everything from rough lumber to, you know, Rob was putting finished chamfers on vanity legs this morning. Wide Oak. Yeah. And we haven't, it hasn't been sharpened yet. No.
00:46:50
Speaker
Yeah, we've had that for a long time. Over a year. Yeah, because who was it that said that the blade wasn't going to make it? Dynamic saw in Buffalo. Oh, yeah. Because I accidentally ordered ordered one with a with a five-eighths inch bore. I wasn't thinking.
00:47:11
Speaker
because it was for the miter saw, which is a one inch bore. So ordered it and then it came. I was like, shit. So I called up dynamic. So I said, do you guys, you know, rebore? Cause that's who we, we were using at the time for sharpening. I said, you guys rebore blades. Oh yeah. Yeah. What do you guys say? I said, yeah, yeah. You know, use it for rough lumber. Oh, that thing's not gonna, that's gonna, not gonna last at all. It's going to be burning everything up. Bye-bye. Bye.
00:47:37
Speaker
It doesn't burn anything. There's not one little burn mark on those legs. Not one. I mean, it cuts amazing. And it's cut everything from, you know, pressure treated that's been sitting under Rob's deck for two years and pallet wood that we're breaking down. All the scrap wood gets cut into chunks on there and all the plywood and everything. Everything. It doesn't, it gets abused. And then you go and use it for a finished cut and it cuts great.
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah. We don't even think about that saw blade at all. We give them no love. Yeah. And that's a great blade. You're talking a hundred bucks. Um, you know, that plywood blade that we were talking about, I think carbide has it for like maybe 80 bucks. Yeah. You can get some of the 40 tooth combo blades for like 60, 70, 80 bucks. I mean, the Diablo blade, I don't know what they cost to Home Depot, but when I used to buy them at builders general, I'm pretty sure they were like 80 bucks.
00:48:33
Speaker
Yeah. And they're flimsy. They got that stupid red paint on them that comes off on your workpiece. I know. Listen, if they say that there's a coating on there for, for whatever nonstick coating, the plate of the saw blade is never supposed to touch what you're cutting. Yeah. Unless it's got a big wobble in it. So that's just all marketing BS. That's what the teeth are for. Yeah. If unless the blade is fully silver, um, probably not any good.
00:49:04
Speaker
I don't know about those Harvey blades that they're kicking around now that are, it's just some other brand that's like lights or something. L E I T Z. Hmm. But they're just rebranding under their own, uh, own thing. I used to use the wood walker too. Yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker
They got really expensive. They're about 140 bucks. Yeah. Maybe 150 bucks. Yeah. And I haven't that, yeah. I mean, compare side by side that and like the Everlast that we're using now. No, I don't see any difference. Oh yeah. None. Um, and like the, the thin line, those are good if you have like a underpowered saw or something like that.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah, like a thin curve, thin curve blade. Yeah. But yeah, I think, uh, Ed's Unisauce, it's got to be three, three horsepower, at least maybe it can be a five. So yeah, definitely run a full curve blade. You get the ATBR because it's got a flat tooth, every whatever, I guess every third tooth is flat. That way, if you want to cut joinery with it, you can do that. Um, you know, when you, if you cut like, uh,
00:50:11
Speaker
You got to cut like a rabbit in the edge of something. You can get a nice square rabbit instead of having a little V-groove. I remember I always used to say to myself, why is, why do I got that little thing in there? Then if you had to glue, you know, you glue it up and it's exposed, you have that little triangle of glue that you see when you put finish on it.
00:50:34
Speaker
For Dado, we have a Ridge Carbide Super Dado Master, which is like the chippers are like six tooth and the outside blades are like 24 tooth or something. It's like a high tooth count Dado, which works nice. That's expensive. That was like 500 bucks, but yeah. Do we still have my old Forest Dado set?
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a forest. It's a peach tree, I think. Because we could gift that over to Ed if we actually, we just got it back from the sharpener. Oh, sorry Ed. That's our backup for when we send out the other one to get sharpened. Yeah, we just got that back with the last.
00:51:22
Speaker
I didn't know it was still in use. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's all, it's still got wax. Uh, so I still got the blue on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The last, whatever the last time we sent out blades, but it just came back. Um, so yeah. Yeah. And that, if you have any questions, shoot me a message, but yeah, check out carbide.com. Great prices around California.
00:51:44
Speaker
Who's next? Christopher Dabriskie. He's a C Dabriskie. I think there might be a number after it on Instagram. What kind of big plans does Rob have for the shop once you're all moved to the new place recording studio? Thanks Chris. Yeah. The recording studio is not out of the question, but, um,
00:52:10
Speaker
I don't know. I'm going to put the snowblower in there probably because it'll be easier to get in and out. I'll take about four square feet. Yeah.
00:52:23
Speaker
motorcycle shop. No, I mean, I don't really have, I don't really have any hobbies anymore except playing music. And we rehearse over at Bing's place. He's not going to want to relinquish that convenience. No. And so there's really not much to go on. We might, if things go gangbusters, you know, you could always use it as some climate controlled storage. Yeah.
00:52:50
Speaker
Um, but, uh, maybe, uh, I'll get the wife in there doing her yoga or, uh, I'll probably put something in there to sit down and work just so I can get out of the house and have my own little private space. You can always get way out of the house and go to just go to the new shop. Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker
Not within walking distance. All kinds of opportunities abound. But let's hear some suggestions. Yeah, right in. All you listeners out there, what should I do with the vacant building? Cock fighting. Cock fighting arena.
00:53:44
Speaker
I guess that's an alternative if the clients dry up. Yeah. You know, we do know what's his name from Felix. Yeah. He could probably have chickens in there tomorrow. I know. We'll have some, get a big dump truck of dirt. We'll pour it in there. Build some benches. Yeah. Oh man. We'd be taking bets. Yeah.
00:54:13
Speaker
serving refreshments. Yeah. So we'll be double dipping, taking, taking a slice off the, off the bookie action, the refreshments. Yeah. You know, pay at the door too to get in, pay the door, rent to the, for the arena, for the fighters.
00:54:32
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Oh, man. Let's see. We got our last question here, which is pretty good timing wise from Nicholas Hall. He actually sent a follow up as well. Rob and Jeff, I got two for you. I have a question about frameless cabinets. I'm working on some 80 inch tall cabinets for a walk-in closet. All parts are cut square and when assembled, the edges are flush with one another. Still, the cabinet is out of square when standing.
00:54:56
Speaker
I have built a lot of cabinets before, but none this tall. Is the out-of-squareness due to the height? When I fasten it to the wall, I finesse this into square. Can I finesse it? Can I finesse it into square during installation? Of note, there are dividers 12, 20, and 30 inches from the bottom, and it's not just an open 80-inch carcass. Okay, that's good to know. Also, my garage floor is nowhere near flat or square.
00:55:22
Speaker
Number two, how long did you contemplate starting your own business before you decided to do it? What was stopping you guys? Hindsight being 2020, would you have done it sooner? Best, Nick.
00:55:33
Speaker
And then a follow up to my question below. I did a mock installation, got everything level and plumb and everything is square. This kind of nullifies my initial question, but here's another. Any tips and tricks for installation? This will be my first time doing a big install. 15 feet of cabinets. Thanks, Nick. Oh man. And Nick is hauls, I believe it's hauls plural or possess, well, that's not plural, possessive, hardwoods on Instagram.
00:56:03
Speaker
Well, I'm happy that everything worked out. Yeah. Well, I was going to say you probably, it's probably just sitting on the floor and it's whacked out. That's the thing about frameless cabinets is, um, I mean, I don't know what kind of back you have on there, but, um, the back may be square, but the front's out of square when it's sitting on the floor. Yeah. It can, it can happen that way.
00:56:26
Speaker
And the nice thing about frameless is, you know, it's an overlay door. So typically you can fudge it where the cabinets, you know, if the cabinets a little bit out of square, you have enough play with the door to be able to at least make the door look right.
00:56:43
Speaker
because like the shop we used to work in none of the cabinets were square ever. So I would go out on install and I just had to like, you know, you use the line of best fit and just line all the doors up slightly out until, you know, I make it look like everything is good. Use the old, uh, Parthenon, uh, example. Yeah. If it looks square, it is square. Um,
00:57:08
Speaker
So I guess that answers, well, those are comments for your first question, considering you fixed it, which is good. How long did you contemplate starting your own business before you decided to do it? What was stopping you? Would you have done it sooner? That can be a good question for you to start.
00:57:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, for me, when I started in carpentry, which was actually 10, about, it'll be 10 years next week when I first, you know, the first time I had a job as a carpenter or even did anything involving that. It was after Sandy and I was just doing labor, basically. And then, was it a year or two after that? I think it was a year.
00:58:00
Speaker
I got a job as a finished carpenter with the builder who I worked with for a while. But after working for him for, I don't know, let's say maybe like a year, I started to think like, all right, you know, one day I want to open my own company where I, because I was doing all the built-ins and stuff, all the like closets, site build closets, all that stuff.
00:58:30
Speaker
So I was thinking like, all right, this is what I want to do. I want to one day open up a shop and I'll do, you know, build built ins and that kind of shit. Never kitchens. I wasn't thinking like kitchen cabinets, but more like the, you know, built in type stuff.
00:58:47
Speaker
So basically it was then and I, I, I knew that I had just started. Like I learned a lot and I was good, but I knew that it took time. So it was, it was always my plan. Um, but I was just trying to work towards having enough experience and, you know,
00:59:06
Speaker
feeling confident enough and old enough. I mean, I was, I was young. I was only 20, whatever. I mean, we opened green street. I was 29, 30. Yeah. Which I mean, I guess, yeah, a lot of people start businesses in their twenties, but I just felt that I don't know. I just felt like I wasn't ready.
00:59:27
Speaker
Well, I started doing woodworking on a whim, really. I was waiting for my teacher's license, as we discussed previously. I was doing all kinds of work, and I went back to work.
00:59:44
Speaker
in the city as a project manager for this commercial construction company and won the job I was managing. They needed this like modern stair rail, you know, like those like six inch by one and a half inch. It's like a, like a, like a two by six only maple and they needed one. I don't think those are code.
01:00:16
Speaker
Well, I think it's wide enough, but remember, it's got to have like a maximum rate, a maximum perimeter of 10 inches or something. Yeah. Put your hand around it. Yeah. So it, there was a piece missing on this sterile. He said, all right. He was looking for somebody to get it to him and I said, Oh yeah, I can make that for you. And that was kind of my first thought that I could do something, you know, you already had tools. Yeah. I had a, I had a jet.
01:00:33
Speaker
right? It's not, it's not wide enough. It's gotta be a
01:00:47
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Contractor saw, I had the old yellow DeWalt miter saw. And I had a six inch jointer and I had a rigid lunchbox planer. It was in my basement. And because I always thought, you know, I wanted to like just do it as a hobby.
01:01:15
Speaker
And then after I made that railing, made a couple of charcuterie boards here and there. Thank goodness I didn't know anything about that. Well, it didn't exist then. He said, can you make me a mantle for my house and not knowing any better? I said, sure.
01:01:34
Speaker
And so I got, I did that and I thought, I really hate what I'm doing. Why don't I just try start my own business and then, you know, this obviously won't work out. So I'll just, when my teacher's license comes, I'll just become a teacher. Right. I'll just do this for a little bit.
01:01:56
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So I kind of fell into having my own business, not really giving it any kind of thought or, or fourth order planning. One job just kind of filed the next somehow. Right. And I really didn't know what I was doing at all. Hindsight being 2020, would you have done it sooner?
01:02:20
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No, I don't think so either. I mean, I think it worked out the way it did, you know, for a reason.
01:02:27
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my, I wouldn't have been, uh, prepared enough as a person to do it. I don't think. Yeah. That's like, I feel the same way. You know, you gotta be really, I mean, it takes so much focus and effort to run your own business. Um, and I was lucky cause my wife was a teacher that I had insurance. Otherwise I never ever would have entertained it like,
01:02:54
Speaker
you know, the idea of not having like some kind of like safety net. Oh, yeah. It was, it was definitely a, starting Greetree was a scary jump for me because, you know, had a,
01:03:07
Speaker
a one year old son, you know, my wife, you know, she doesn't make a million dollars. Um, you know, we're both blue collar workers. So it's like there, you know, we had no safety net. No, this, I mean, you're a hustler though. There's always the, you know, going back to work, you knock on the door of like gut leave or somebody, you know, so I don't work for Tom. Yeah. I know it was as crazy as it sounds.
01:03:36
Speaker
There's always that job there. You make it work. Working for Tom's better than not having a job at all. That's right. It's even better than food town. Yeah. A little further though. Yeah. Nick is asking about installation, tips and tricks. Do we have any? Well, hire out. That's our biggest tip. Have somebody else do it.
01:04:00
Speaker
I mean, you're really the installation expert, but for me, I like to do as much as possible in the shop where it's controlled. I like to do as little as possible and still manage to, you know, do the right job. I like to do it all in the shop if I can.
01:04:21
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Anything you can do in the shop versus in the field is going to be more profitable in the shop. Like one of the things that kind of shocked me at Tom's is that they put on the hardware on the job site.
01:04:34
Speaker
And I was like, why are you doing this? Like you have to kneel down. You have to work on the floor. I mean, why can't you do this on your bench? At least drill the holes. Yeah. And like before you, I like to drill all the holes and everything before it's finished. So that I, in case God forbid, something goes wrong, you know, you can fix it or. Well, it's on those. He's going to have to repaint something. So I just figured I would just throw another door in there. No big deal. So
01:05:03
Speaker
I couldn't figure that out. Even like he would put drawer faces on on the job. I'm like, what is this? Yep. The royal way. I would put them on. Yeah. Tips and tricks. What about prescribing and stuff like that? Because people, you know, that's a skill. Yeah. Um, you know, scribing.
01:05:34
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That's a tough one. Try and use, you know, like known dimensions. Like I need my cabinet to move over three quarters of an inch. So then use something that's three quarters of an inch, describe it. There's a, there's more elegant ways to explain that. And it's easier to see, but go to, uh,
01:05:53
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John, JCH cabinets on Instagram and anything that you need to know about installation, John is the man to learn from. I learned, you know, most of what I know from watching his page and just, you know, the school of hard knocks learning in the field, but
01:06:14
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There's so many little that's the thing about installation is there's all of these little tips and tricks that make your life so much easier Yeah, and the more you do it the better you got I mean the guys that install every day all day Yeah, those are the guys to you know, ask we go on a handful of installations, you know, yeah That's it Yeah, we dread them every time
01:06:44
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So that's it. That's it for questions this month.
01:06:48
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Yeah, we have a lot to consider in the next episode who's going to win that beer glass. Yeah, don't forget to write in. The email is the American Craftsmen Podcast at gmail.com. And you'll be in the running to win your very own beer glass or iced tea glass, whatever you want to put in there. Lemonade. So Chad's going to be sending out his glass to the next winner.
01:07:18
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We'll get you that address, Jeff. Yeah. You know, we can't make any guarantees of when he's going to send it. So you're going to have to message him. But yeah, we'll we'll pick the winner in the next episode, which we're going to record right about now.
01:07:34
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Yeah. All right. So thanks for listening. Everybody take care and we'll see you next week. As always, Rob and I, thank you for tuning in and we'll see you next week. If you want to help support the podcast, you can leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. You can join our Patreon or you can use one of our affiliate links in the podcast description for vesting finishes or Myoderm CBD pain relief cream. Again, we appreciate your support. Thanks for tuning in.
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