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Charles and Ray not Ray Charles
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This week we discuss Jon's kitchen renovation and dive a little into prolific designers Ray and Charles Eames.
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Introduction and Sponsorships
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Jeffrey Krug
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Jeffrey Krug
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YouTube and Content Strategy
00:01:01
Jeffrey Krug
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00:01:07
Jeffrey Krug
All right, welcome back to the show. Good to be back. Yeah. Just um shot a drawer box video.
00:01:21
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, hopefully it does better than last video. Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. You can't try and understand the YouTube. No, I think some people have a good handle on it though. I watch just some some maker type woodworker people who don't even post like every week. They post sometimes every three weeks, every month. And they're always over 100,000 and sometimes into the millions.
00:01:48
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, I think, you know, just take some time to get there and then it's like a self perpetuating. I think some people actually understand the game more, though, like they they're more into creating content than they are actually building stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. um So even though it's a woodworking channel, ah I mean, it seems like people who actually.
00:02:14
Jeffrey Krug
Don't make anything sometimes do better than people who do make things. Yeah, I think Jesus Christ Mute my ah and and ah I'm not taking away from either either person. It's a business Whatever it is that you're doing? I think there's a I was gonna say a lot in like thumbnail keywords Description all that stuff. That's like, you know How do you know?
00:02:38
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, well, i've I've been trying to look at some of these more popular channels or at least channels that seem to be getting feet more views on a regular basis because I don't watch a lot of woodworking videos. it just sort of I used to. Well, most of it's crap. Well, I just got to get back into it because it is a business, so you have to sort of look at what other people are doing. It's true. So i I am religiously looking at woodworking videos, not only to see what people are doing, but also to get ideas because for for what I'm doing, I kind of... i'm I'm like, well, what should I do, you know, and and maybe what I should maybe what I'm thinking about doing is a video that would do terrible. And so maybe I need to think a little bit outside my own, my own wheelhouse or my own thought process. Yeah, yeah. But for what we do, I think it's completely different because, like, I think the drawer box video that we shot today,
00:03:32
Jeffrey Krug
should be very clear and should be very helpful for anybody who wants to use undermount drawers. So the the video that I posted maybe three or four years ago on undermount drawers has done very well. I don't know if it's 200,000 or five, you know, I forget to look but it did really well and it ranks up there.
00:03:54
Jeffrey Krug
And I think that this one should be better, should be more clear. And so hopefully it will do good and do good, you know, be evergreen. And that seems to be what a lot of our our videos are. Like some of them don't really hit right away, but then they continually are getting, you know, a few hundred views a day. Yeah, I was saying before I was looking at, let's see.
Video Performance and Optimization
00:04:17
Jeffrey Krug
I was looking at just the overall like sorting by top views, but you know by view count <unk> that right here and And saw some of these, you know this one this was the first drawer slide video that we did with Rob Yeah, that's up to almost 14,000 tough-built 12,000 the ah it's funny how these counts are YouTube is weird with the counts. Yeah. Like this one's actually more, but it's below 12,000 on the Toughbill, 12,000 on the miter sled, 11,000 on the shelf pins. But then. But go to it. Go to it. um You know, like the cauliflower zero clearance, 9,000. That video did terrible when it first came out. Can you look at what can you what can you look at what the daily of view count is?
00:05:06
Jeffrey Krug
Uh, for everything at once. No, no, no. Just one of those. Just go to like, uh, the, the draw slide that we shot with Rob. Let's see.
00:05:20
Jeffrey Krug
I know we, I know those numbers are there. Go to analytics right there. On the side. Yeah. Hit that with not there though, but do it back on the drawer slide video. And then hit analytics.
00:05:34
Jeffrey Krug
ah That's confusing. Okay. 106 views a day. Or no, 48 hours.
00:05:42
Jeffrey Krug
But the way to look at that, too, is imagine having a drawer. Imagine having a storefront and you have just on one video, 100 people a day or 50. Well, that's actually about 50 people a day. A little more. It's 48 hours. Yeah. yeah ah That's a lot. So you you have to think about it that way. So my feeling is we just keep putting out usable content and the evergreen a Factor will continue to kick in. Yeah. Yeah for sure um And some of these were surprising like this We were just talking about this the saw stop job site table saw we put that out and we were like, oh, this is gonna be pretty good You know people might want to know about this and hit that one. I'm curious what the analytics are on that Yeah about 50 people a day So that's good and you can see that arc is kind of
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Jeffrey Krug
you know, on ah on a natural rise. Yeah, yeah. And you can assume that, you know, as the channel grows, that those numbers, you know, you go from 50 a day to 75 to 100. And hopefully, the thing is, there's so many videos being uploaded to to YouTube every day. It's pretty, it's a pretty competitive. So our worst video of all time.
00:07:04
Jeffrey Krug
is the one that we put out. But it doesn't make sense because this has 714 views and it's it's above that. That was just a giveaway. That was just a giveaway announcement, I think. So the SawStop bypass. I thought that that would be. That's our that's our second worst that we could call that our worst video, because this Western versus Japanese Saw will bump up above that. um I figure would be a good video. Is the thumbnail not good? Well, it looks good to me. I don't know.
00:07:35
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. I don't know. That, to me, seemed like it would be like in the beginning, not too many views, but ah over the long term. It would add up maybe wouldn't be the top video, but to be the worst. Yeah, I don't know. But like I said, to try and figure out the YouTube algorithm is like we need a tool time girl.
00:07:59
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. You know, there I'm sure there are people who do, you know, who will ah i do description, keyword optimization, all that. I need to look into more of that. yeah ah Is it 2B? Is it something called 2B that helps you with your thumbnails? Walter was telling me something about it. Oh, I don't know, maybe. Well, I was trying out that vidIQ thing for a while, which basically, when you're in there posting the video,
00:08:27
Jeffrey Krug
It'll make suggestions for you. um like you you It gives you like scores. you know So at the end, it'll be like, wow, you only scored a 77 out of 100. You got to change this. You got to change that. So is that is that a um subscription? Yeah. So what does it cost? Maybe we should do that. I don't know. In the beginning, I had it on like a free trial. Or maybe I think I paid for a couple of months.
00:08:52
Jeffrey Krug
maybe like 30 bucks a month or something. It might be worth it. But it's it's ah it's not like hands-free. you know it's like you it's just giving you It's basically telling you where you're lacking, but it doesn't necessarily give you the answers.
00:09:04
Jeffrey Krug
I'm going to I'm going to just continue to look at some of the more popular ah woodworking channels and just see if I can get close to some of what their thumbnails are. I think like we shot a picture of you. Maybe maybe we need a person in the ah you know yeah face or whatever. They do say that that's good. um But yeah, I don't know.
00:09:26
Jeffrey Krug
You know, it's I'm very objective. So like I look at the channel and I look at what videos did well and what ones didn't. And there doesn't seem to be a very concrete pattern. No, because the videos that did the best, they don't have a face in them.
00:09:41
Jeffrey Krug
And some of the ones that do have a face didn't do well. So it's like, yeah. it's neither here or there yeah ah You just keep putting out, yeah you know, some people will make fun of it. Like the idea of putting out useful, like useful content, um, or content with value. I don't know who, I think I heard it maybe on, uh, some podcasts like, Oh yeah, I'm putting out content with value. But I think there's truth to that. I mean, I think you need to, you know, if it doesn't have any value,
00:10:11
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. Why push it up? Great. Great. So I think this video should do better. Anything should do better than last week's video. Yeah. Yeah. that The tip video really took off. It's about to hit 20,000. I think that is a good thing that we should do more of, more of and more often. And I don't even want to ah so tell everybody what the other idea was that I texted you the other day. um Oh, yeah.
00:10:39
Jeffrey Krug
ah But it's another one of these videos that might get a lot of views. And maybe we should look into that. Yeah. You know, I'm not mentioning it because then maybe you'll do that. Yeah. Maybe somebody I saw somebody is selling a router base now. Oh, is it the same as. It doesn't look like mine, but the timing. I thought I saw that, too. Yeah. Did you send it to me? I sent you one, but then I saw another one. Yeah. And that guy follows us on YouTube.
00:11:08
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, but he's a bigger he's a bigger youtuber and he follows us. Yeah. Huh? Do I know him? It's like wit wit works, I think. Huh? I don't know. I don't watch a lot of I don't watch a ton of woodworking I did when the community was much smaller. There's so many woodworkers. Now i I'll search for things I want to know.
00:11:32
Jeffrey Krug
um The only reason I know that so if you get a comment on YouTube from someone that has over a certain number of subscribers, it goes to like a special. You get like a notification for it. Really? That's the only reason I knew that he had a bigger. Apparently he sells.
00:11:51
Jeffrey Krug
I'm going to take it back. Maybe he. ah Came up with the idea. It's a little different, yeah right? I don't like the handle. I don't need a ah handle on my... Yeah, that's another thing. ...router base. Just something that's gonna get hung up on something for me. I was just using um ah rockler my um not a miter gauge, a yeah tapering jig, and it has a big handle on one side, and I never use it, and I thought, let's just get rid of this.
00:12:18
Jeffrey Krug
ah I was doing all the the beadboard in my kitchen. There's not a straight angle anywhere. I got it all looking straight, but it was just everything was kind of funky. You you know, when you're putting up sheets of beadboard and trying to get the reveals correct and ah cutting out like I put the casing up before I put the beadboard up and cut it around it. And so it was a lot of weird because you plan on taking the beadboard down later.
00:12:47
Jeffrey Krug
Potentially I didn't want to put because of the reveal. I didn't want to It it was a weird thing for the window the main window. I Ended up building a frame with a backband and then just nailed it right to the casing The backbands in the casing No, the whole thing. So I built a picture for out to the chasing. Yeah, and then just nailed it right to the jam Yeah, yeah, and then that's the best way to do window trim. Yeah, I think so I've done that a couple of times and And even door casing, you know. Anyway,
Kitchen Renovation Updates
00:13:21
Jeffrey Krug
it turned out good, but I was like, I had a table saw set up in the garage. I had my table saw out in the shop. I mean, every little piece of trim seemed to have gotten cut with a hand plane or the table saw. But it looks good now, I can't believe. We ended up, I know that I talked about this, but I ended up taking down
00:13:45
Jeffrey Krug
I think four cabinets, so four storage cabinets. One cabinet was only maybe 30 inches wide. The other three equaled about 70.
00:13:56
Jeffrey Krug
ah So three different, you know, I think it was ah two full cabinets and one half cabinet. And so we got rid of all of those and my wife's like, I don't want the cabinets. It looks nice and open now. Where's all the stuff in box in cardboard boxes? So where the 30 inch cabinet was, I'm going to put one or two shelves. Where the other spaces, I think I'm going to end up putting one shelving is now a big thing in kitchens.
00:14:23
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, I didn't want to say this last week, but the thing about open shelving is everything gets dusty. Yeah. No, it's true. So it can't be stuff that you use unless you use it every day. That's the thing. So if it's glasses and you have 12 glasses, you only use the front four or six or whatever. I'm with you. So the back eight glasses are going to be dusty as hell. I know. I'm totally with you. So it's just going to be like a work in progress. I think the... What about a cabinet with no doors?
00:14:54
Jeffrey Krug
I don't know, there's something nice about it, oh the openness of it right now, but because it's a small kitchen. But we'll probably end up doing something, you know, maybe, maybe not, maybe not all the cabinets, maybe we'll keep it more open towards the sink right next, because it, where the window is, there was a cabinet on either side of it. And that just made it look very tight. Yeah, now it looks very open. So it's just sort of, but meanwhile, all that junk is on the dining room table.
00:15:23
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, see, I only have four uppers in my kitchen. I think I might have had my. I do like the beadboard for the backsplash. Yeah, that's nice. It's it's you know, it's it hides a multitude of sins on the sheetrock, obviously.
00:15:46
Jeffrey Krug
So I only have. This upper here. And the three above the range. OK.
00:15:55
Jeffrey Krug
So this is where the sink is centered on this window. Okay. How's that coming along? Uh, how's what coming along? I mean, cause well, my motivation, Leilani asked me this and she goes, how's your kitchen going? I'm like, uh, haven't done anything. Well, you're still, you're still hosting Thanksgiving, right? Yeah. I gotta go look at countertops. Yeah. Okay. You never thought about making them out of wood just for a price. no I don't, I don't like wooden countertops.
00:16:22
Jeffrey Krug
You don't like the way they look or you don't like the way they perform? ah Both. i like for like I could see like an island or something, using it as like an accent, but full wooden countertops, not a fan. How do you handle the corners? you know How do you handle the corners? How do you miter it? Yeah, that's what they do. Well, yeah, ah some guys.
00:16:44
Jeffrey Krug
It my my brother has a mitered corner. And it's I'm assuming it's biscuited who are probably dominoed and counter bolts and pocketed from underneath. And that miters held up. It's superior. So it's pretty stable stuff. Yeah, superior would look nice. um But yeah, I just don't want to have to deal with I might do it just out of expense. It might be cheaper, like cherry, six quarter cherry countertop. Yeah. But if you think about all the time, you could get quartz for like four or five grand and just be done with it. Somebody else comes, measures, puts it in. Yeah. Now I hear you. You know, so the the stone for my kitchen should be about five grand. All this and this. that's It's still five grand. I mean, how much would that be in material if it was cherry?
00:17:37
Jeffrey Krug
Uh, but all the time, then you got to finish it. You got to install it. I could, I told for $5,000 I can, I can totally do the work. I mean, I'd rather just put the time in.
00:17:51
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, but then you got to maintain it too. That's the thing. You know, it's like you have to also have a relationship with a wooden countertop and be like, you know what, it is what it is. Yeah, it's part of it. um If it gets a little bit, be a little bit beat up. I think the finish that I would use would be polyurethane. Same stuff you use on your floor, you know, minwax polyurethane. I every time I've done a countertop, that's what I've used. And I think I made a video on one of them and I used to get a lot of, is that food safe comments? And I'm thinking i'm like, who's chopping on a countertop? yeah I mean, who cares?
00:18:31
Jeffrey Krug
Everybody's so worried about food safe all the time. Sounds like it's a cutting board or like a plate. I think at the time too, I was pretty new to YouTube and I was just like, oh man, am I like, should I not be doing this? Is just like you know like this like the wrong information to put out? um But then I thought, who cares? yeah I see people like cutting on their like stone countertops. I'm like, what are you doing? yeah Use a cutting board.
00:18:55
Jeffrey Krug
yeah Well, for $5,000, like I said, I'd probably, I don't have that many countertops. My wife's not going to want charged. She wants a P.O.A. But I just think like, oh, okay, well, I can save, you know, that's $5,000 I can spend on a bicycle. But if it took the time it would take you to do it and it reinvested it elsewhere, you might be able to make 5,000 bucks. That's true. That's true.
00:19:26
Jeffrey Krug
That's the way I look at it. It's like, I'm going to be in the shop when I should be working on somebody else's stuff, making my countertops. So what's your next step now on this? one I mean, yeah the gap is closing. I know. um So right now, this upper is just sitting on the countertop. on the I have plot just pre-fin plywood countertops right now. This is just sitting here. This is just sitting on top of the fridge. so i got um And I have flooring that I still have to remove right here and then under the stove.
00:19:56
Jeffrey Krug
So I got to get that flooring up. I got to get this cabinet installed, these two cabinets installed. They're just sitting there. I got to install this upper. Then I got to run the floor. What was on your floor? ah It's like linoleum. And then it's ah more linoleum and that you know, it's like three layers of linoleum. What are you getting it all up with?
00:20:23
Jeffrey Krug
ah it It comes up really easy. it's just like yeah it's like there There's Luan that's stapled down, but it's it's going through two layers of linoleum, so it's like barely hanging on. I feel like you never really know what's underneath the floor until you start going into it. Yeah, and usually it's like a billion staples. I have a tile floor in the kitchen, who and I'm thinking I'd like to take that up. So now that I've done some work in the kitchen, I'm thinking, I could kind of redo my kitchen a little at a time.
00:20:52
Jeffrey Krug
the The big problem is the floor though, you can't really have to the floor. Yeah, is the tile under the cabinets? I'm not sure. That's the thing.
00:21:04
Jeffrey Krug
So I could, you know, but that's the thing. That's like the point of no return once you start ripping up the tile. Yeah, you can't stop. No, no. And then it's not even if like, you know, it's it's a long process no matter what. Yeah, because you got to rip it up. You're going to scrape probably. Yeah. Then you got to put either new tile down or put down whatever. Yeah, that's kind of the thing that I'm not looking forward to. And it's always really physical. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:21:31
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, even the 30 gallon brute garbage cans full of tile and thinset or no wonder my back hurts is from carrying stuff like that. Yeah, I did my fair share of that stuff. I don't really know. I still carry stuff around, but I'm fortunate. I never I never hurt my back. Knock on wood. My back's pretty messed up right now.
Featured Woodworker and Design Influences
00:21:52
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, you were saying that. Yeah, I got to go to the doctor. But from an injury, I think it's all just sort of catching up to me.
00:22:01
Jeffrey Krug
You're young for it to be catching up to you. Yeah. I always say like I've ridden my body pretty, pretty hard. But you've only, you were only in the construction trade for like four or five years, right? Uh, yeah, but even in the shop, you know, so for the last, uh, 12 years, just been, you know, lifting a lot of heavy stuff and not with good form, you know,
00:22:31
Jeffrey Krug
Yes, it's a bummer when you hurt yourself.
00:22:37
Jeffrey Krug
So you're so you you picked the the woodworker yeah architect slash artist this week. do You want to say anything about it? Yeah. So I went with I was racking my brain back to the the second season of the podcast when we did the 12 periods of American furniture.
00:22:54
Jeffrey Krug
And um I was thinking about like Henry Bertoia and then, you know, I went and looked back at some of his stuff and wasn't really feeling it. And then I just thought, you know, what about the Eames? So you got Ray and Charles Eames. A lot of people only think of Charles, but that they were actually a husband and wife who were, um you know, designing everything together.
00:23:19
Jeffrey Krug
And ah so there if you if you don't know Eames, I mean, they're most famous for for the Eames lounge chair, um which is a laminated like a plywood bent lamination or bent. I guess it's a bent lamination. It's a it's a formed plywood chair with typically leather and typically it comes with like an ottoman.
00:23:43
Jeffrey Krug
um That's what they're most famous for. um But they had a lot of other really well-known designs. ah Did I say they were in the mid-century? Yeah, they really, I think, got a foothold in the business during World War II, like 1942.
00:24:01
Jeffrey Krug
because So you know who Arrow Saranen is? He designed Bellworx. Yeah, he designed Bellworx and the St. Louis Arch. And Charles charles Eames and Arrow Saranen.
00:24:15
Jeffrey Krug
designed that original chair for MoMA, but it failed because the idea was to get it to um to be just a plywood chair, but they just couldn't get the material. But it still won the competition because I think they went over it with the fabric. It's just such a unique shape. yeah And then they spent forever trying to get it to work until um ah aeroserinem basically said okay i'm done with it And then left. Eames was married to a different woman with a child. And then he met um then he met his wife, ah raise Ray. And ah they they basically took on the challenge of the chair again.
00:24:58
Jeffrey Krug
And I don't think they would have been able to do it without World War II because then they ended up getting a huge contract to make plywood splits. And that that gave them not only the money, but the ability to just a lot of R and&D.
00:25:15
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah and you know a lot of mid-century design ah was sort of built on the backs of like that wartime production and sort of military industrial complex like all the plastics that were coming out because of all the research that's going on for you know wartime type stuff like the Eames were some of the first to really do that molded plastic chair um You'd see it a lot in, you know, you imagine like bus stations and airports where they're physically tied together.
00:25:53
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. I mean, it's great stuff. So that's what, that's what Ray bought to the game was color because she was a painter and she was a student of Hans Hoffman. I think we talked about students students of Hans Hoffman before.
00:26:07
Jeffrey Krug
And so, yeah, she ah she really had ah an eye for color. Really, it's funny because I feel like they just worked forever.
00:26:19
Jeffrey Krug
I, you know, in a minute, like they I look at it now, because I, I guess Charles died a few years, a few years before Ray. And he was still working. And you look at it and you're like, all right, you did a lot of stuff. Yeah. And he never retired because they sort of created this monster. And you're sort of not not not that they couldn't have left the monster, but you build a monster, it's kind of hard to leave it.
00:26:48
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, and you know they're working with like Herman Miller, and I think they might have been working with Steelcase. And you know these these huge companies are like, you know that's a monster that needs to be fed. IBM, all these like gigantic companies, and making films, they did a lot of filmmaking. They did a whole thing during the 1964 World's Fair. Oh, yeah. I think we might have done ah an entire episode on them.
00:27:15
Jeffrey Krug
um like can't remember. I did pull up I had notes from. So I love that chair. I think that's see that chair the orange chair at the is a tulip chair. See now arrow Sarah and I did the did the tulip chair but I don't know. I don't know if um if that is the tulip chair.
00:27:40
Jeffrey Krug
Okay, now that's the tool chair. Yeah. Okay. um ah Yeah, I think they just called it like the plastic chair. Yeah, that's cool. Great shape. Yeah, I wish they had a side side view. Where'd my notes go? I had pulled up the podcast show notes from that episode.
00:28:04
Jeffrey Krug
Well, I've always known who who ah Charles and Ray were, but I didn't really take it. You know, you kind of read a little bit about them. You look at the there're ah their furniture.
00:28:16
Jeffrey Krug
um But then I got that text from you and I said, I'll take a deeper dive. And I found a pretty good documentary last night. Oh, really? I watched the full thing. So that's kind of the idea ah I like to get out of my routine of maybe not watching anything that's like I'm learning from. What was that on YouTube? YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. It was narrated by James Franco. Oh, so it must be relatively choice. Yeah. But he did okay. I when I when I read his name, you know, as the narrator, I thought, Oh, it's interesting. But he did a fine job. ah Yeah. So if you go back to season two, episode 44, we did an episode called mid century modern Eames. I'll check that out.
00:28:59
Jeffrey Krug
And I had some of these notes here. This is a this is all 28 pages we had. She's so let me see if we have any any good tidbits in here.
00:29:15
Jeffrey Krug
oh
00:29:20
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, arrow. arrow. Have you been to Bell Bell Labs? Yes, I did some work in there. Oh, really? Yeah. um In a it's pure bar. Okay. It's like a ballet exercise kind of thing. What'd you do? A lot vanities reception desk bench. Okay, really? When did you do that? I was working for Tom. Okay.
00:29:48
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, I shot a video there ah ah around when it first opened. I think I saw that. Yeah, it was pretty. um It was pretty fun video to shoot. I was like, cool place. Yeah, it is. And because we were shooting the video, we got like a full tour. I was there with Peter. And, you know, I was able to fly the drone around. It was a kind of a cool thing. Yeah, it's a what's that show severance? Is that what it's called?
00:30:14
Jeffrey Krug
Oh, I heard about that, but I haven't seen it. Yeah, they um, they shoot like a lot of background Like a lot of the where they're like walking around it's it's in bellworks Yeah, my son jack was telling me about that. I guess it's on apple tv. Yeah, I can't think of the guy's name you ever seen uh brothers Yeah, it's the brother from stepbrothers. Yeah. Yeah. He was also in parks and recreation. Yeah, I can't remember his name. Yeah, I can't either but he's good he's It's funny because he's got a comedic side too, and but I have oh yeah haven't seen the show you're talking about, but like in Step Brothers, he's got that got a pretty funny character. Oh, yeah. I saw some like bloopers from that where they show up for dinner and she's like he's like, oh, yeah, some of that famous cheesecake. And she's like, oh, I made apple pie or whatever. And he's like, we miss the the Kenny Chesney concert for this. We we miss it. And he just... yeah He played that role great.
00:31:09
Jeffrey Krug
So yeah, I guess it was called the plastic chair. An American couple created the famous plastic chair at the beginning of the decade. Iconic chair whose seat and back were made of a single piece of fiberglass or ABS, depending on the manufacturer. R and Jacobson was another good one. I'll have to check that out. I just like all the shapes. So it's funny if you look at, if you look at, uh,
00:31:36
Jeffrey Krug
If you look at those shapes, they look like a lot of modern paintings to me. like so there's ah There's a painter, Myron Stout, and some of his shapes remind me of Eames furniture. And I think that's what's so cool about the furniture is just so minimal, so clean looking. It's highly collectible now. Do you see it often when you go to homes?
00:32:04
Jeffrey Krug
um I've definitely seen Eames lounge chairs. um I like I have the shell chairs at my house. Obviously, they're not real, but um you know, those are like my dining chairs. Oh, nice. They're wooden and like a teal, not teal. Did you buy them now? Yeah. Really? Where'd you get them? Amazon. They're just going to Amazon. There's a million. Knockoffs. Yeah. And you know, that's a really comfortable chair. Yeah. For like a dining chair.
00:32:36
Jeffrey Krug
Well, they I think they were all about that, you know, form follows function. it's I was talking about Donald Judd and Donald Judd has a whole other philosophy. His philosophy was like, you shouldn't be comfortable until you're like sleeping. And you look at his chair and you realize he that's that's the way he really did think. Yeah, those chairs, I mean, you can't sit on that.
00:32:58
Jeffrey Krug
No, no, it's a nine. It's just 90 degrees. ah It really gets you in the lower back. You know, you have to have some tilt either to the back or the seat. I mean, really need both but it's like you want to be 100 degrees and you want to be tilted back 10. Yeah. Yeah, I have a book it's called. ah What's it called?
00:33:22
Jeffrey Krug
It's all about... ah Let me see if I can... it'd be It'd be pretty fun to try to come up with a really simple chair to build that was comfortable. Let me see if I can find it. A book about design, about furniture design and human body.
00:33:52
Jeffrey Krug
It's a really good book, this. Human Dimension, come on. Human Dimension's an interior space, a source book of design reference standards from like the 70s. Yeah, look at it. um And it gives you all of these reference standards for like building chairs, building benches, building all these different things. When'd you pick up that book? A couple years ago, 1979, it came out. but you You must have heard about it from somebody, or you just... Yeah, yeah I forget where.
00:34:24
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, that's good. That's the kind of thing you go on like thrift books. And, um and you can snag something like that for like five bucks. Yeah. But it's a big book. It's like about, you know, it's like a, I don't know what they call it, you know, where they're like, 16, 17 inches tall. And like, yeah, that's big. That's like a like a coffee table book. Yeah. Like a tech. It's almost like a textbook. Yeah. and Well, look at the price on it news. $191 or $28.
00:34:53
Jeffrey Krug
Uh, that's eight units at one hundred and ninety one twenty five ninety three. Oh, what is that? eight Oh, OK. Eight units. This is Amazon business, so they was given trying to sell deals. What do we have here? but We have this whole section here on Rand Charles. So they went to Cranbrook, which a lot of big names came out of Cranbrook.
00:35:20
Jeffrey Krug
Big fan of Frank Lloyd Wright.
00:35:26
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, right here. Chair won first prize, but its form was unable to be successfully mass produced. Talking about the yeah plywood chair. Yeah. The organic chair, I guess they call it. I never heard it called that. Seemed like a pretty cool time to be building and designing things.
Real Estate and Coastal Living Challenges
00:35:44
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. Seemed like pretty possible. Yeah. um I mean, I'm sure the rents weren't anything like they are today. I mean, even comparable. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? like Well, for instance, when I opened a business in 1999, the Rents and Red Bank were relatively um affordable,
00:36:08
Jeffrey Krug
even for that time. Now, they've gone up, yeah but I think they've gone up in a way that's out of scale. Yeah. um And it's like, I don't know, you walk around Red Bank. I haven't been in a while, but it's like, everything is like crap anyway. Like, you're like, this company, this business is paying that much. It's like, how do you keep the doors open? I think when we started, our rent was 1,200, maybe 1,100. Wow. yeah How many square feet? Well, the building was are the was basically one room that was about 30 by 16.
00:36:46
Jeffrey Krug
So what's that 450? Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't huge, but it had 12 foot high ceilings. And it was, you know, perfect for what we needed. Did you have like a little back room or anything?
00:36:58
Jeffrey Krug
We had kind of like a half wall. So when when I designed the space, I put up a wall that was about nine feet long and went to the ceiling and that wall was on timed lights. So the gallery was set up with two main windows and then the back wall. And so those those two or those three spaces would be on until like midnight at night.
00:37:26
Jeffrey Krug
But it was doable. I think when we left, our rent was approaching $2,500. Jeez. Because it just kept going up and up. We were there for about 15 years. But at ah at a and some point, it's like, OK, well, we're here you know to make a profit, not to pay rent. you know And that's what happens with a lot of businesses. like The rents are just so high. It's like, OK, you need to be able to turn a profit, not just to be able to pay your rent. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:56
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, rent it. It could be a killer. I mean, especially, you know, when you're talking. So they were ah there. Their shop was down by Venice Beach in California. And so now I'm sure like rent there was, you know, probably crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was watching. ah I watched this guy on YouTube. I can't remember his name.
00:38:19
Jeffrey Krug
But he just goes around the country and just I think we've watched him. I like him. Yeah. he I saw him do a thing in Appalachia. Yeah. Yeah. So that um I should watch more of his because I actually really like his videos. Yeah, they're good. I love that kind of um stuff. Like I love all those travel shows where they go and just like sort of talk to like regular people. Like I love like Anthony Bourdain and stuff like that. And it doesn't have to be about food but.
00:38:45
Jeffrey Krug
What the hell is that guy's name? I don't know. But did you see the one that he did on the Hamptons recently? Well, that's what I was about to talk about. You know, they're in like East Hampton and he's like rent there 40 grand a month. Yeah, that was a good one. I got to finish watching watching it. He was ah he was talking about the artist Julian Schnabel, who is the artist he Schnabel did the the movie on Basquiat that we talked about about last week. So Schnabel has ah So he's a movie maker. He must have tuned out of that part ah He was being wasn't he being guided around by like a fisherman? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a gruff old man. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, same. I saw the same thing ah Basically, he said like he's a really cool dude and sometimes, you know, I fix his surfboards ah Okay. Yeah, he fixes his surfboards, but it's just unbelievable because The people you know
00:39:43
Jeffrey Krug
30 or 40 years ago, a normal person could live out in the Hamptons. Yeah. I don't know who lives out there. Like, how do you, anybody who's working out there has got to be, you know, commuting from somewhere because you can't. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's like my client out in the Hamptons, which actually Friday, that's finally getting shot, um him photo shot.
00:40:04
Jeffrey Krug
like She was a single mom living in Queens and bought a house and or or maybe was like renting in Hampton Bays, which is you know like a little more, ah not so far east, but you know right on the outskirts of the Hamptons you know as a single mom. Now, you couldn't... but So this is your client? Yeah, and this is going way back. i mean she's It's got a beautiful house that they just built in Bridgehampton now, but you know this is going back, I guess, to like maybe the 90s.
00:40:34
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, they were saying that since COVID, it's like, well, that just that's everywhere. Everywhere is just just gone through the roof. And now the crazy thing though, is there's not as much online jobs as there was. And I think a lot of people are are trying to get people back in the office. So I don't know what's going to happen with those real estate, you know, like up in Vermont, up in upstate New York. Oh, yeah. People who moved yeah out west who are working remote. Yeah, I don't know if remote jobs are are going to be. I don't know why because what do you need to be in an office for? Well, I agree with that. But at some times, I
00:41:14
Jeffrey Krug
See, I think it really comes down to the person. Some people are going to work harder remotely than they would in the office because they're just that they're type A people. Some people are not going to, you know, some people. Yeah, but I don't think they're working. I don't think being in the office is going to make them work any harder. I i do think I guess it comes down to the job because I think there's a creative exchange that happens when you're around people.
00:41:41
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. um But we're we're creative people. And I think a lot of these people are just pushing papers and sending emails. And that's true. um It's so like when I talk to people who work in corporate jobs, I wouldn't last a day. ah You know, I hear they tell me these stories about just ah corporate ah the you know, like corporates, like the the way everybody talks, and it's all it's just such BS, you know, for no reason, you know, it's just like the way that it's become over time. um And, you know, I don't know. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't I've never experienced it in all my years. So I wouldn't even know. But
00:42:32
Jeffrey Krug
I don't know. We'll see what happens with the whole real estate thing, though, because I mean, the the Hamptons, I understand. And these are people who are living in the Hamptons, you know, four months a year. Yeah. but We built those doors for a house in Sag Harbor. And they're there. ah When do they get there? It's like less than two months. and It's a $5 million dollars house.
00:42:54
Jeffrey Krug
And just think of the maintenance. Somebody's got to be going to that house. You know, yeah, somebody's got to be like, checking in on it and whatever, just making sure the pipes don't freeze. So many things can happen. This house was like less than 1000 square feet. Yeah, I believe it. Less than 1000 square feet. Wow, what kind of property? Not much bigger than the house. That's wild. But you know, they have a stairs down to the at all. It's like an inlet or something, I guess, or like a. Oh, they're on the water. Like a lagoon or something. They can actually get. I guess, yeah, they could probably get out to the ocean. That makes a huge difference. Yeah. It's funny that my my mother has a house down in brick and she's on one of these areas where, you know, you can have a boat. Yeah. Hers actually turns out to be great because instead of just a canal, that might be, I don't know, 50, 60 feet wide, where you have another house on the other side.
00:43:50
Jeffrey Krug
it's It's more like a pond that's like 600 yards across. And it's really tidal. So it changes all the time, you know, you could and there's all kinds of seabird life and all that. So her house because she's on the water is really desirable. But if you go a couple houses over, you're just sort of in brick town with Yeah, that there's no water around. There's nothing really around. Yeah. I don't know what's the draw.
00:44:20
Jeffrey Krug
Well, yeah, I was even going to say like those houses that are like adjacent to the water. Are like almost worse than a house that's just like in like a neighborhood because you guys know it's like grass. It's yeah like all rocky and sandy and you know. um It's like being at the beach without being able to get to the beach, right? Like, oh, the water's over there, but that's like my neighbor's backyard. Yeah, it her house is is different in that.
00:44:48
Jeffrey Krug
in front of her house, again, is another wetland kind of estuary. So she doesn't have anybody directly across the street either. That's cool. It's, it's like if you go down a block and over, then you get into all these houses that are sort of landlocked in an area where there's either people who are on the water with a boat, or you're landlocked. And so where do you you know, it's just ah it's, it's got to be a huge difference in price. Yeah.
00:45:16
Jeffrey Krug
and My brother's the same thing. Now, he's on a canal, but he's on more of a traditional canal where he's got ah another house like 60 feet away on the, you know, where you have everybody has a bulkhead. Yeah, yeah. That's like the house that I did in break that kitchen. um That's probably pretty close to where my mom and my brother live. Yeah. Oh, well, off man a looking road. ah Yeah, I think I think so. What piece of water are they on? So Barnaby Bay.
00:45:46
Jeffrey Krug
Okay, this is the Matita Conk River. Oh, I know exactly where that is. Yeah. Yeah, that's nice. I mean, it all dumps all dumps out into the same spot. You have Beaver Dam Creek right there. Matita Conk River. Did you go over the Beaver Dam Creek? My buddy used to live right on. No, no, we didn't cross any water to get there. My buddy um used to live right on the Beaver Dam Creek.
00:46:08
Jeffrey Krug
So you remember when you when you went over that bridge? So that's like Beaver Dam hardware? Do you remember Beaver Dam hardware or no? ah
00:46:19
Jeffrey Krug
No. So when you went over to Beaver Dam Creek, went over it was like a blue bridge and it was like a little fishing hut to the left. I know what you're talking about. To get to his house, I didn't have to go over that, but I've been over that before.
00:46:32
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. That was like the old way to get to my, my parents' house. Um, they sold it right before Sandy. Thank goodness. They sold it and, uh, they ended up getting, I think maybe just a couple of inches in the first floor. Speaking of Sandy today is, or yesterday, today is the anniversary 12 years. Wow. So that was 2012. Yeah. Geez. It seems longer ago.
00:47:02
Jeffrey Krug
I actually, yeah, it really does. I actually put up a, ah a I saw on Facebook, a um like a memory, and I put up this post October 28th, 2012, a seven foot nine storm surge is being predicted in Highlands by NOAA.
Natural Disasters and Prevention
00:47:16
Jeffrey Krug
And that was the map. And when you know it, I had seven feet of water in my house. So were you required to leave? um Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was mandatory. Okay.
00:47:32
Jeffrey Krug
And what was your how to go? Like, what'd you do? ah So I went to my girlfriend's house, my now who's now my wife, which is her. It was her mom's house across the street from my house now. And, um you know, hunkered down there for whatever the two days. Then after the storm cleared out,
00:47:56
Jeffrey Krug
you know, went back home to see what was left. And it was just you're renting. Yeah. um I live the block from the bay. Wow. Right on Bay Avenue. How long did you live there? ah Two or three years. So you're a bachelor? Do you have roommates? Not a bachelor. I had a roommate. Yeah. have a roommate Yeah, I had two roommates. And then they they moved out and got a different place. And then I ah got another roommate. So it must have been two years I was there. How'd you like that? It's pretty good.
00:48:27
Jeffrey Krug
my My oldest son is in that, like, life with a couple of roommates now. He seems like he's always having a good time. Yeah. um I think once you, like, you know, find the right person, it's like, that's it. That's all over, you know? um But yeah, I mean, everything was there. Nothing was salvageable. So did they just tear the house down? No, they ended up raising it. It would have been a good time to buy real estate.
00:48:55
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. The week or two after. Yep. Sandy. Because Seabright and Highlands, all those places. I think what happened a lot of it too is like everybody was waiting for insurance money and for FEMA money. And so it was probably, you know, immediately following the storm is probably really difficult to buy something, but give it like six months or a year and you could get stuff for real cheap. You could. um Especially stuff that was condemned. I remember seeing so much and thinking like, wow,
00:49:25
Jeffrey Krug
This is a great opportunity. But I mean, look at the Mad Hatter. Now they they're saying that they might knock it down or something. Where's the Mad Hatter? Seabright right by right across from Donovan's. Well, not well, basically right there. OK. You know, OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. okay Yeah. now and Yeah. I don't really go into Seabright all that often. Yeah. I pass through if I have to go to like Long Branch, but that's a. Yeah. Walter probably goes by it every day. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I if I go to like Asbury, a lot of times I'll take that way.
00:49:53
Jeffrey Krug
It is a nice little town, but I feel like that's a pretty a seasonal town as far as yeah as far as being a retail store. And i sure I'm sure the rents are through the roof there too. So yeah you're you're hoping to make all your money from you know May through September. Yeah, I think the proximity to Rumson really helps Seabright because you just shoot over the bridge. So like Tommy's, Angelica's, those places are always packed.
00:50:24
Jeffrey Krug
That's true. It's become a pretty big restaurant place. Woody's, I think, is probably pretty busy all the time. Manhatter was cool, though. It was just a dive bar, pizza, burgers. It was actually a bar. Look, you could get drinks there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sandy was crazy because we didn't have power for probably three weeks where I lived. So we were lucky that our neighbor had like a big diesel generator, like the kind that you like tow behind a truck that he bought at like some military surplus or something. So he ran a cord over to the house. So we were able to plug that stuff in. But yeah, Highlands, I think was out of power for like, yeah, um over a month. Yeah, it was crazy. They canceled Halloween. Yeah.
00:51:12
Jeffrey Krug
It was, I mean, I think it was just a couple of days before Halloween. And then we got a snowstorm. Yeah. And then it got hot and humid because I remember cleaning up a lot of debris and it just being like very uncomfortable. Yeah. We lost power and I have, uh, I still have a Briggs and Stratton generator, but I had a different one at the time. And that kept my house going. I remember being at the gas station.
00:51:39
Jeffrey Krug
ah wawa Oh, yeah, I would go there at whatever midnight one o'clock in the morning and still wait in line. Yeah, they did even odd I think for a while didn't I? It was pretty wild. Yeah, you look I have those memories. I don't know if I took any any pictures because 12 years ago was still phones really weren't, you know, they weren't like they are today. Yeah.
00:52:01
Jeffrey Krug
ah you know Now you always have your phone with you. 12 years ago, you probably still had your phone with you, but it wasn't the same thing. Yeah, I remember like being back in Highlands um because I would go back and we would like you know we like cleaned out the place I was working and I had to clean my stuff out. and Just like seeing everyone's possessions, like everything that they owned at the curb to be picked up by ah an excavator in a dump truck.
00:52:26
Jeffrey Krug
And the streets were just full of everything. Well, that's what happened out in Ohio. Not Ohio, and North Carolina. North Carolina, yeah. I mean, that's pretty wild. I was talking with Andrew from branch ah Branch and Foundry. And he lives pretty close to that. And he's like, he kind of not predicted it, but he's like, you know, it is a floodplain. Yeah. You know, it's a floodplain that people built on.
00:52:53
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, it might be 100 year flood or 500 year flood, but it's still it's if you think about it, right? You've got all these mountains. They go down into a valley, right? If it's going to rain, you know, 17 inches in an hour, where's that water going to go? Yeah. And that's what happened. It just took that place out. ah Just everything is just gone. Yeah. Yeah, they um like didn't see that coming at all. You know, that's just like totally blindsided. At least we had some some um warning. You know, I don't think they expected it to maintain the strength or whatever when it got over.
00:53:32
Jeffrey Krug
Well, that happened up in Vermont ah with Irene. And but we had our house back then, but our house was well above, it was probably a couple hundred feet above the river. But then if you went down the dirt road, there were a few houses that yeah you'd have the river and then there'd be, you know, whatever, five or seven feet.
00:53:55
Jeffrey Krug
of riverbank, it just breached that, no problem. And any house that was sort of on the you know ah fields that were around it, they all got three and four feet of water. Yeah. Well, even recently, didn't they have a bunch of floods up in New Hampshire? Oh, they've been getting hammered. Vermont's been getting... So that was that was with Hurricane Irene, but the last two years in a row, almost like third of July or fourth of July, 2023,
00:54:21
Jeffrey Krug
Montpelier all around there got destroyed. I remember seeing like some bridges like being overrun by the river. Water is just so powerful. Yeah. I always say to my kids like if you're ever looking for a house You know, never, never get anything that has any even close potential of getting water because it's a hassle. Yeah. Even like my house, you know, I get water in the basement. I'm nowhere near the water. You know, water is the most destructive force. It really is.
00:54:52
Jeffrey Krug
Just water like not being controlled around your house. ah yeah Like if your downspouts are just dumping right next to your foundation. You've got to cost yourself tens of thousands of dollars. You've got to move that water away from your house. yeah and I think I told the story of... ah ah doug ah I a... We had a huge snowstorm. We probably had two or three feet of snow. And I would just dig a path.
00:55:17
Jeffrey Krug
from the basement courtyard of my barn out of the house out to the barn. And so it was just like a just one, you know, shovel widths path. And then I dug one from the driveway down to the path so I could kind of walk that way. And then we had this gigantic rainstorm and all the water just shot down that path and went right into my basement. I got like two inches. luck Luckily, my basement wasn't finished. It actually cleaned like my floors never looked that clean. And so as soon as I realized what was happening, I quickly you know broke the dam and gave the place, gave ah an area for the water to go. And then I just shoveled all the water out. and
00:55:59
Jeffrey Krug
it wasn't that big of a deal. I was lucky. and And it was early on in being a homeowner. So I didn't have a lot of crap. Yeah, you have a some some pit. I don't I don't need one houses. It's a basement is dry. So we have French drains. Yep. And the house is sort of built on a hill.
00:56:16
Jeffrey Krug
and everything drains away from it. So yeah, mine is too. But I don't know. I still get free. You're getting water from you're getting table water. Yeah, I have a deep basement. You know, I have nine foot ceilings. Wow. That's nice. Yeah. I mean, if you can you get a pump that can keep up with that? ah The one that I have in there now is doing pretty good. But I want to add a second one just for peace of mind. So if you lose power, you lose the pump. I have a battery. It's a battery. OK, good it's back. The one that so I bought I don't remember if we talked about this, maybe it might have been with Rob. I bought the one with the battery backup, put it in. This was this was like back in like March right before I went away to the Dominican, put it in and worked. And then we had a rainstorm and the power went out and the basement flooded. I'm like, what the fuck? So I thought that it was defective. So I went out and bought a Zoller.
00:57:11
Jeffrey Krug
and put it in like a, it's like a three quarter horsepower, like a one horsepower, it moves a lot of water. Like when i when I got it hooked up, I'm working in the basement with like six inches of water, like up halfway up my fricking legs, maybe more, eight inches. Don't worry don worry about, do you shut the power off to the house when you're doing this or anything? Nah.
00:57:31
Jeffrey Krug
because it'll it'll throw the breaker. okay you know what i mean i think i hope yeah i got it i so I had to do this ah wet. you know what i mean like the the um ah What am I trying to say here? ah so I had the battery backup one in there, but it wouldn't run.
00:57:48
Jeffrey Krug
um like I could do something to get it to kick a little water out. Anyway, the pipes are all full of water, so I have to cut the pipes to hook up this new one, and I cut it, and then the basement's like flooding, the water's getting higher and higher, and I get that thing in there, I get it hooked up, plug it in, and just, wo in like two minutes, all the water's gone. Wow. like It moves, I forget how many gallons a minute, a lot. like like ah I want to say a couple hundred gallons a minute or something. So where's all that water go? Out into 36? Yeah. So I have a pipe that comes out and then I have like, you know, a liter extension or whatever, and it goes out. Yeah.
00:58:28
Jeffrey Krug
So if you have two of these pumps, then would you finish? a I mean, because nine foot ceilings, that's great. Yeah. Will you finish the basement? You know, when you have a wife and kid, you have so much crap that just needs somewhere to
Home Organization and Efficiency
00:58:44
Jeffrey Krug
be. I know. And that's where it is. I had um so I've got three people in the house, three kids in the house now. And but Jack's gone. So all of his stuff is gone. But I mean, we have a lot of junk.
00:58:59
Jeffrey Krug
We're doing a pretty good job of getting rid of it, but you still have your kids, they have their stuff. Yeah. ah That's part of the reason of the kitchen, like maybe we don't need as many cabinets. Yeah. We're trying to have less things, like I don't want a bunch of crappy pots, I want a few really good pots. Yeah, that's like what, you know, with the new kitchen, I'm like, I want all 12 matching glasses, water glasses, 12 matching drink glasses, 12 silverware of the ever, you know, big spoon, smart spoon. Where will you get those? I got all that from like a restaurant supply website. Really? And you can get some cool stuff like I got these Art Deco. Okay, so give me a price on one glass.
00:59:44
Jeffrey Krug
ah I want to say I paid like 40 or 50 bucks for 12. Okay, that's not cheap. at all And the thing about this is like this is stuff that if you break a glass, you can go back and get them again. If you buy them at home goods or on Amazon, that might be the last time you ever see that glass. So if you break one, now you got 11 glasses, or you got to buy 12 new glasses of some other kind of glass.
01:00:10
Jeffrey Krug
over time, do your glasses get like etched from the water or from the dishwasher like, like a glass that's two years old? Will that look not as clear as a like a new glass? I don't know. but So we have very hard water, but we have a water softening system. But after about a year or so our our glasses, no you just can't get them like, super clear again. Yeah.
01:00:36
Jeffrey Krug
So I'm gonna wait for my wife to ah go somewhere on vacation and just throw everything out and get new stuff. Cause she'll, you know, she'll get that, that mug that has someone's name on it or whatever. Yeah. So look, this is the flatware that I bought. It's got this cool art deco it's nice look to it. So these, you have to buy two of these cause they're teaspoons. So 24, so for 24 teaspoons, $47.
01:01:07
Jeffrey Krug
24. Yeah.
01:01:13
Jeffrey Krug
um Now, did Ali get involved in this decision making? Or is this just you? She um gave me approval. But and yeah, I mean, it was what do your glasses look like. That's your glass, huh? That's like, yeah, like a low glass.
01:01:36
Jeffrey Krug
See, I have to have a crystal clear glass. Yeah, I thought these were... I like the amber. that Now that's real mid-century modern feeling to me. Yeah. It's like right out of Mad Men.
01:01:51
Jeffrey Krug
That's definitely cool. i I want really simple... I mean, look, you can get... You don't like any texture to watch? I almost don't want any texture. I thought these were cool too, but I didn't like the bottom. It's too small.
01:02:04
Jeffrey Krug
How about ice? So this is where I'm a real snob. I like ice from the bag. I can't stand ice from like ice from your freezer that's white. ah ah my My ice isn't white. It doesn't have any any white to it at all. It's crystal clear. like yeah Maybe in the middle there's a little bit. I can't handle that. I don't like the ice from the bag because it's all clumped up.
01:02:30
Jeffrey Krug
Well, not always. And you got this big mass in the middle. See, crystal clear ice is like, that's my thing. I like super clear ice. I see some glasses there that I like, though. Yeah, I just tried to click on this one. Just jumping away from me. Rico.
01:02:49
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, it's jumping away. Yeah, there was one that I really liked. There's a martini glass. You ever drink martinis? Not in a long time. These are nice. That's nice. Now what how many ounces is that 13 and a half? That's a good size. That's a good size. 5799 for a case. And what's in the case 12? Yeah. Yeah, those are nice. And then you know, so if you go, you're gonna have to shoot me this. ah Yeah, I'll send you this link right here. send me this um If you go to that's a really nice glass this other products from this line, you can get wine glasses, you can get, you know, high, high ball glasses. So this is the matching 16 ounce glass.
01:03:34
Jeffrey Krug
Those are nice looking glasses. That was my thing. I wanted everything to be coordinated. I'm sick of having this mishmash of crap. When did you do this? A couple months ago, maybe. Oh, really? Okay, yeah. Like when I started bringing cabinets home is when we started. And so did you just throw the other stuff? Yeah. That must have been liberating. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I want to do that. For sure. It's so nice opening the silverware drawer. And there's just Matching everything matching. I even got like serving tongs and serving big serving spoon slotted You just threw everything out. Yeah, I got rid of it. Yeah, that's great. Good for you I need to do that, you know, it's always like well, maybe so and so I'm like no Because it never then it sits around. It's like when are you gonna bring it to him? When are they gonna come get it and then they never get it? I'm like, I'm just getting rid of it.
01:04:26
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, that's a that would that would actually make me really happy too. Those are the things that like just order Tupperware, you know, um you probably have 16 different varieties of Tupperware. I got no I have 16 like um Bases are are but I don't have two lids. Yeah, I don't have a lid. Yeah, I went and bought all of this Rubbermaid brilliance, which is like a nice Lexan with like nice tops and there's got 12 of these, 12 of these, 12 of these, four of those, you know. Yeah, that would be, I don't know if it would go over as easy in my house. I don't know if I could get my wife to sign up on that, but that would actually make it really happen. It's liberating, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think I've said this before too. There was an interview with Sean Penn after his house burned down. Like, how do you feel? He's like, ah, liberated. Yeah.
01:05:19
Jeffrey Krug
you know And there's you know not to not to like make light of somebody who's lost everything, but you know everybody's got that drawer with those cards in it or whatever. And you're just like, oh my God. We have like a rubbermaid with stuff from school from Hunter. This year, we ah we're like, listen, we've got to throw most of this stuff away as it comes home. Because every day, he comes home with six papers. yeah You can't keep all of them.
01:05:44
Jeffrey Krug
It's like a half colored picture, you know, like, yeah, it's nice, but I can't keep this. Yeah. Now, I know exactly what you're talking about. Laurel's kind of going through some of the the stuff now, just trying to pare down. and And she's like, oh, should I get rid of this? And then I look at it, I'm like, oh, it's kind of nice. Oh, yeah.
01:06:01
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, actually, you know, I i told Ali, I'm like, I want everything to like match. I want everything to be, you know, I I'm a man of like order. Like everything needs to have a home. It needs to stay in its home. And like if it doesn't match, it's going to be difficult to be like that. I came home from maker camp or something. And there were like these three containers that were like not. I'm like, what's up with these? And we're like, we end up getting an argument about it. Did you get an argument? Yeah, that's funny.
01:06:31
Jeffrey Krug
That's funny, because that's sort of like when you should be like, shit, I don't want to get in an argument about this, so I'm just not going to mention it. Yeah, well, I had that thought a couple of times, and then, you know. Sometimes it's hard to control yourself. Yeah, you know, certain moments. But you know that gets the best of you. I knew it was going through your head, and you're like, if I say this, this is going to cause all this, and then you say it anyway. Yeah, but I think a lot of times it's better to just get it out. Yeah.
01:06:59
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, I agree. But at the same time, sometimes it's like maybe not. I have a woodworking question. So getting back to the shelves, I'm not going to do a floating shelf. I'm not going to you know do that whole thing. So I'm going to have some kind of brackets underneath it. ah What do you think is the standard depth of a shelf? 12 inches. 12 inches, OK. Yeah, 15's even better. All right.
01:07:28
Jeffrey Krug
ah The bracket depends on what you're gonna put on it I guess but so let's just say that this is gonna be like this 30 inch shelf for this 30 and the small wall between these two windows One shelf probably I'll probably make it an inch and a half thick double up two pieces of plywood band the edge The brackets will have maybe just a just a what would you call that a scallop just a Just a curve. Yeah, okay
01:07:58
Jeffrey Krug
How are you going to attach that? How will I attach that to the wall? and So I can go through it, and I'm just going to get painted. so Oh, they're going to be like corbels. Yeah, kind of. Like wooden corbels.
01:08:14
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah. So is that what you call that, a corbel? Yeah, that's what I would call it. OK. So this needs to be attached to a stud. I guess I can go through here. Yeah.
01:08:28
Jeffrey Krug
And then here I'd go maybe down through the top to screw it into the stud. Yeah. ah
01:08:37
Jeffrey Krug
That's gonna be tricky. It's gonna be a really long screw. Why? Oh, not through the shelf. Just not through the shelf. Just through. Yeah. Yeah. Just through the but back of the core ball. You could. I found that it's sort of ah unless that's a like a really shallow angle, you're going to have a hard time going to want to push down. Yeah. Or left to right. You know, um you could make it so that. ah How wide are you planning on making them? Probably an inch and a half. Yeah, so you could make it so that it goes over top of like a cleat. So you make a cleat three quarter by three quarter gets attached to the wall, you can put as many freaking screws in it as you want. And then it slides over the top of it. You could glue it on, you could pin it, you know, brad it in from the sides. And then you could ah you could screw through that into the cleat to tie it all together. So the corbel is is um hollow.
01:09:35
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, you just like, like, we were just looking at that thing, you just dado out a portion of it. Okay. Yeah, that's a good idea. And then ah and then I would just attach the shelf with whatever two screws in the back. You could do like keyholes in the back too. All right. Yeah, we'll see. You could do metal keyholes. You know, they hold a lot of weight.
01:09:59
Jeffrey Krug
Metal keyholes for the for the so you just put the brackets or for the shelves Yeah for the brackets put two screws into the stud put your core was on put bring Bring them down to the keyhole sit your shelf on top. That's it All right And then you uh, and then you don't need this this one screw at the bottom Then you can put it in just for kicks Probably don't need it. Yeah but there's nothing keeping this from going left to right other than gravity then in the way to the shelf. ah Well, this you know the keyhole, this shank of the screw is sitting in there so it can't. Okay. All right, so that's something I'm thinking about doing. You working on anything? ah Packing, well, ah assembling, disassembling and packing up the beds. So those will probably
01:10:51
Jeffrey Krug
I could get an email out. I might be able to bring those out tomorrow, more likely probably Thursday, um out to Rye, New York, and working on the saw boxes. I got the laser working again, thank God. the The eight that finished while you were here, the bottom, very closest one, didn't cut all the way through. ju But, you know, that's the laser running for four hours, so it's time to get cleaned and then it would probably be fine.
01:11:19
Jeffrey Krug
um and it it made it almost all the way through so we're we're about seventy five boxes into the walnut give or take maybe a little bit less than that so we've got another say 190, 180, 150, 180 boxes to cut. No, more than 150. Anyway, we got to get up to 280 is how many pieces I bought
Jim Jamal's Projects and Industry Insights
01:11:46
Jeffrey Krug
of walnuts. We got to cut all those. So yeah, about 190. Working on a reception desk. That's pretty far along. So that's just melamine, some of that slat material we were talking about.
01:12:00
Jeffrey Krug
Yeah, I saw that. Cool. Yeah, it's sitting on the Brax right there. So it does have like a little overlap. The oak overlaps the felt and then it so there's no seam. So you have the same reveal. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, yeah it looks pretty cool that stuff. Yes, just like MDF. I actually just saw that somewhere like on a podcast.
01:12:22
Jeffrey Krug
Jim Jamal is using a bunch of it and his he's like doing a little makeover his shop. Oh, cool. It wasn't there. It was some it was like on a podcast channel or something like that. It reminded me exactly of it. Yeah. It's nice stuff. Yeah. Jim would be a cool place to visit. Yeah. Well, I'd like to get some stuff done by him, but I'm just sort of...
01:12:41
Jeffrey Krug
I I'd like to get a few things upholstered. That's for sure. But I'm getting in line. He's got a long wait list. I know he's doing stuff for movies and commercials and Broadway. It's awesome. It seems super busy. Yeah. So he was just doing the ah Bob Dylan biopic and something else. And he hit me up one night. He's like, hey, he's like, you think we could build this thing? He's like, I need to buy like Friday. And it was like Wednesday night. Wow. And it was for the.
01:13:11
Jeffrey Krug
the designer or something from that movie. It was for like a commercial for something. And I'm like, let me draw it up. And I was like, yeah, I could do it. I was like, but we got to pull the trigger like tomorrow morning. And it didn't end up, you know, coming to fruition, but would have been kind of cool. Yeah, that would have been cool.
Conclusion and Engagement Invitation
01:13:29
Jeffrey Krug
Well, thanks for listening, folks. And catch you next week. All right. See you next week.
01:13:36
Jeffrey Krug
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01:14:09
Jeffrey Krug
It ain't no shame, but there's been a change.