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Episode 13: The Chicago Bears vs The New Orleans Saints
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This week the boys talk about moves made by the Chicago Bears, and how they're feeling after another loss; this time to the New Orleans Saints. They also give the NFC North its weekly vibe check and talk about what's to come in the matchup against the Carolina Panthers. Chin up and Bear Down!
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Introduction and Bears' Loss Recap
00:00:00
Speaker
Go fuck yourself. According. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Planus. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Relax, relax. All right. Well, the Chicago Bears drop another one in the lost column as we welcome you in to the Bearclaw podcast.
Montez Sweat Trade and Contract Analysis
00:00:17
Speaker
I am your host, Omar Nogado, with me as always, Zachary Stein, also known as Stein, and Isaac Turjan, Packers fan extraordinaire. Yo.
00:00:29
Speaker
Before we get started on the game, the loss that happened this past Sunday, we are going to give you some updates, because a lot has happened since last week. Unfortunately, with the timing, we weren't able to get the podcast out after the deadline. We had to do it before, so it was a lot of speculation. But now we have a lot of certainties, and we will tell you about those, starting with we're going to get sweaty. Montez Sweat was traded.
00:00:59
Speaker
from the commanders to the bears for the 2024 second round pick, made some people happy, made some people upset. There was a lot of conversation about that happening. I think last time we were talking about it, we were saying that it was going to be young, right? Was the one that was rumored to be traded if there was any trades that were going to happen. And I think young ended up getting traded away too, right? To the niners. To the niners and then sweat.
00:01:26
Speaker
We got sweat. We signed them. It took about, it took less than 24 hours, right? To get that contract done. No, it was, it was two days. Was it a couple of days? Yeah. Okay. Uh, so within a couple of days, we were able to get him signed on a contract for a four years and $98 million. How do you feel about it? Sign TBD TBD. Um, I think the big thing with that is.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, the price tag can seem kind of high. However, if you actually go through the league and look at that particular position, you know, mid range is shooting 20 to 25 right now per season is what future forecast looks like for coming up in the next season. And that's really what this deal is about. This deal isn't necessarily about the rest of this year as much as trying to lock him down now.
00:02:19
Speaker
The whole thing was we didn't know if he would be available come offseason. So it makes sense why they made move when they did. But if you're going to make a move like that, you sure should better lock him down. Like you have to lock him into a contract because that is the type of move that you make for long term. That's not a a run to player type of deal. So especially not the position that the Bears are in, it wouldn't have made any sense.
00:02:43
Speaker
high end at that position is shooting closer to the mid 30s range. So I don't necessarily think that he's overpaid, especially heading into next season in what what we'd be looking at. However, I also, you know, how is he going to fit in here? I think that we had had discussions in the past about, you know, other players have good stats. And yet as soon as they get to Chicago, it's like they just sort of have
00:03:10
Speaker
Not necessarily as much as that. They are in a system that just doesn't suit their strengths yet. I'm
Trade Rumors and Player Adaptation
00:03:18
Speaker
always hopeful that that changes that the defensive coordinators recognize that or maybe a new one is brought in that can help play to that player's strength. Exactly. But all in all, I mean, I think it was a it could be a very good move.
00:03:35
Speaker
Um, hard to tell. Yeah. Time will tell. Looking at, uh, I was reading up on like commanders beat writers and shit like that. And they said that other teams did offer seconds, but they essentially went with the bears because it was higher. The second second round is estimated to be like the 37 38th pick, whereas some of the others were like mid forties to a low fifties, I think. So, you know, they're jumping up in the, in the second round that way. And that's.
00:04:02
Speaker
One of my big questions was sweat was that he's always been the third best guy in his line because he's next to two, he's next to one elite defensive tackle and another like great defensive tackle. So it's, I think it'll be interesting to see him get the bulk of the attention. Ultimately though, I think what we're looking at here is again, we're not paying him high dollar. We're not paying him 35 mil a year, right? Like that's,
00:04:29
Speaker
which is what like a very high end would get you. So he's not that. I don't think he's necessarily above. I think he's worth it, especially when you look at. He is. He's played in every game that he could play in, basically, other than when he got his job broken and the death of a family member. But in both of those, he was he was out like he was not. It was not like he could be starting, but we're not letting him. It was not a he's going to dress and then we're going to keep him on the sidelines. Right. Exactly. It was.
00:04:58
Speaker
It was not a player choice. It was regularly like no physical issue. And even that was limited. How to play with a broken jaw. When you look at young, he's played in half of the games that he's available for, basically. So it's and that's something that we're missing horribly is consistency and stability. You know, and so in that we're paying, we're paying for that reliability. That is a skill that honestly, I think is worth
Jalen Johnson's Future with the Bears
00:05:27
Speaker
more money than than what people realize, what people recognize. So if anything, we're paying him to be a staple, hopefully, for the future of that line. And I'm OK with that. You know, if if if we had crept up to like the 28 to 30 mil range, I would have been like, oh, you need to be a better rusher. Yeah, I need I need more pressure, you know. But hey, he got his contract and now it's time for him to go get the fucking quarterback because I mean, now we're paying him to do. Yeah.
00:05:56
Speaker
Uh, he obviously had his first game. We'll get into that. Um, I think he had one really good pressure that, that caused us, uh, completion. That was a key and completion that kept us at that time competitive. So, um, but it was also his first game and he'd only been in Chicago for a few days. So, you know, you got to give the guy some time to adapt. I still think the guys we've had.
00:06:19
Speaker
have adapted because the system is different than it was up through week two. So we had that discussion too. It's a similar system as to the commanders. It's the, you know, four defensive lineman hands in the dirt type of system. Yeah. Yeah. So that was the biggest concern when they were, when they were talking about his contract in the off season, because they wanted to keep him, but they didn't want to pass up a second rounder. Um, they initially wanted to move young like you guys said last week.
00:06:49
Speaker
Um, but the biggest thing is because he's volatile, right? And like he, when you look at him as a good, he's a volatile good. Like he's not reliable as far as consistency is concerned. So it makes sense why that's one that they would, yeah, looking at the one you want to move, you're going to go with the guy who's not consistent. Oh, he's got the upside. So I think that's what people are going to pay for as well. Cause he's younger. Um, but yeah, like you said, he's been out two years, um, for an injury and like a major surgery and stuff like that.
00:07:16
Speaker
But the biggest issue with sweat when they were talking about his contract in the off season was turning pressures into sacks. He has a tough time doing that. He can get pressure, but sometimes he has a hard time in the sacks. Well, and I honestly think if he had an easier time turning pressures into sacks, he would have been in that 28 to 30 mil range because he can create pressure. He absolutely can.
00:07:40
Speaker
But now he's moving and that's again, I think we are paying him to be a leader on the front line and for consistency. I know some of the beat writers out of Washington, it was cool because with the trade and everything, a lot
Player Health Updates and Game Strategies
00:07:56
Speaker
of the podcasts I listened to had some of their
00:07:59
Speaker
They're all reporters as well. And they had some of their like media brethren and Sistren. Is that. Sounds right. I like it. In for, you know, on on their podcast, a sort of like special guest to kind of get like that take the commanders take the Washington take. And, you know, he hasn't ever really had to be the leader because he's been the third. Right. And he hasn't had to be, but
00:08:29
Speaker
They've talked about like over the last few years, the things that he's gone through, you know, with like the death, untimely death of his brother and the, uh, he's a new dad as well. They said that they definitely saw some like a change in him, in his personality a little bit. He seemed a little more upfront. Uh,
00:08:50
Speaker
like he's heading in that direction maturity wise. And you got to remember, these guys are still young, you know, like, like a lot of them go straight from college right into this. And it's like they're still kind of kids sometimes at heart, even though even though he's, you know.
00:09:04
Speaker
moving up there, man. Yeah. Like it's still like, as far as how the real world works. So, you know, and we can't ever imagine what that interviews media right next to you. I mean, they're living a totally different life, you know, they're not living exactly. So, um, I don't know. I, I think that if he can be consistent and he truly is ready to step into that, that next level of maturity, um, as a professional, then I think he's worth it.
00:09:32
Speaker
as long as he can keep those pressures coming. Now the next thing is let's be a foundation for the defense. Yeah, create opportunity for others, be a leader. Well, if you can create that pressure, that means that quarterbacks allegedly, theoretically should be making quicker choices and maybe not as accurate with their passing, which hopefully opens up Jalen Johnson for a little more elite execution at his position as well. So see if we can get some complimentary football going on.
00:10:00
Speaker
For sure. Speaking of Jalen Johnson, he was not traded away at the deadline, but he has also not been given a contract yet.
00:10:10
Speaker
And the way him, the way he's been talking about it and the way polls have been talking about it, it sounds like they still aren't, no one's given their final offer. This poll says, it sounds like he doesn't really know where, where Jalen Johnson and his agents and stuff are at. Uh, he seems surprised by the trade request from, from, yeah, from some of the interviews and some of the pieces that came out after the fact, he,
00:10:36
Speaker
He seemed somewhat surprised that, I think that he thought that they were on the same page. It definitely just sounds like they are not all on the same page and they need to all get in a fucking room and just hash it out. And figure it out, yeah. Because I know that Poles and the team have basically said, look, we're going to do anything we can to keep him. We can't keep letting good talent go, get away from us. And that is something that the bears have been guilty of the last
00:11:02
Speaker
decade now. Yeah, I'll be interested to see how this all shakes out. You know, we still have the franchise tag. Yeah, I feel like that would be kind of a waste to burn it to use on Friday. Yeah, I don't know if we should use it on J1 Johnson.
00:11:22
Speaker
Although it is, you know, that puts us at what 2021 mill, which technically, again, for his position, that's going to be another high end position that shoots the more significant ones are going to be in the mid to upper 20 range. So that would put him competitively as far as like being able to keep him until we can get something going. But I don't know. That's it is a highly sought after one. Right. Yeah. Position again.
Bears' Recent Game Performance Review
00:11:49
Speaker
So we'll see.
00:11:51
Speaker
I mean, yeah, this whole situation is really weird. I mean, I think the only silver lining here is that it doesn't seem to have soured. Like, I don't know. It seems pretty quiet on Jalen Johnson's front from what I've been reading too. It doesn't seem like there's anything happening right now. Like they're not really like Jalen Johnson and polls aren't the camps aren't really speaking to each other, but at least I don't know. They're not coming out and saying nasty shit. I think they both just keep coming out. Like Jalen Johnson is just like, I'm just going to play it. I want to be played. Yeah. They're being professionals. So.
00:12:18
Speaker
No, I think it doesn't always happen. Well, that's just it. I think it happens more often than what we realize. It's just those aren't the stories.
00:12:30
Speaker
Yeah, the headline isn't gonna be Jalen Johnson and Ryan Paul's playing nice like sure But we got to remember, you know, we're not fucking New York. We're not Dallas. Yeah, we're not we're not anywhere that Antonio Brown goes like so Yeah
00:12:49
Speaker
I'm glad to see it, honestly, because I've been I've harped time and again this season about the lack of leadership quality and just sort of like how dishonorable some of it seems to be. And it's like that Johnson was able to trap it up and come back in and do his job. And hopefully they can get this thing ironed out. Honestly, I wouldn't expect any moves now until after the season. Yeah, that's just not going to happen. So.
00:13:19
Speaker
Yeah. So some injury updates for you. Looks like Khalil Herbert and Equinamey St. Brown are set to return from IR injury reserve. And my understanding is after that, they have 21 days to start again or they have to stay on injury reserve for the rest of the season. Is that how that works?
00:13:38
Speaker
And then according to Matt Iraflous, it looks like Edmonds with his knee injury is day to day. And Jaquan Brisker is all cleared. He's passed concussion protocols. And I think I saw a tweet just before we started recording saying that he is coming back. So he will be he'll be playing on Thursday. Thursday against Panthers. It'll be a good game to get him back for.
00:13:58
Speaker
And then Justin Fields is still listed as limited and considered day-to-day. However, that has been upped from week to week. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, you kind of got to look at that. Like, Iberifluz was very, very forward in the beginning about week to week, week to week. I'm not saying anything else, week to week. That literally, like, were his words. And I'm not going to make any more comments on that or something like that. Yeah. Whereas now he was very adamant to
00:14:24
Speaker
repeat day to day. So, yeah, it'll be interesting. I don't know. I mean, we looked at the last game.
00:14:33
Speaker
And the idea, we knew coming into this game that Fields was not going to be starting. And there were some questions around that. But ultimately, I posited based on some other reading and what other people had said. It was like, if you look at the schedule though, we've got that quick turnaround because we have the Thursday night game. It does kind of make sense to give them those few extra days as opposed to
00:14:59
Speaker
trying to put two full games. He has not gripped a ball for a full game in three and a half, four weeks, more longer. Right. Because he happened in so early on in that other game. So it's been a while since he's been able to grip the football for an entire game. Like, why would we put him in back to back games basically at that point? Yeah, to start off three days of each other where they really have a walkthrough. So one day of some contact with his son.
00:15:28
Speaker
But with him being day to day now now, it's like, okay. Well, is he gonna start Thursday or not? Yeah, like he said 10 days basically
00:15:36
Speaker
to focus solely on getting ready for the Panthers. Which I don't know if he was doing, because I think they were talking to him before the Saints game, and he was kind of talking like I've been getting ready for the Saints game. So I don't know if he's been focusing on the Panthers so much, but we'll see. I barely believe anything that they all, what they say out there is 100% written for them, so I'm not.
00:15:59
Speaker
They're like no don't tell them that you've been you've been preparing for the for the Panthers tell them that you're ready for the same And then you and Isaac were saying right that I just I mean just for a little more speculation I guess that DJ Morris sounds like he's not really sure I mean for a little bit of insights on that like he wasn't so sure that Justin Fields is gonna be back on Thursday, right?
00:16:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah, he just seemed very pessimistic about it. He just kind of. Yeah, like you said, was wishy washy about it and was just kind of like it's up to Justin if he wants to play or not. It was a very political answer, I think. Yeah, it was very much like he wouldn't come out and just say yes, he also or no. Yeah, it's very diplomatic.
00:16:46
Speaker
Not even, not even. If it was diplomatic, there'd be more charisma to it. You're not getting shit out of me. I ain't going to rat. I ain't no rat. I ain't no rat. Love it. So, I don't know. It'll be interesting. Yeah, we'll see. We got a couple of days to see what's going to happen. All right. I think that about does it for updates.
00:17:14
Speaker
So I think now we can move into the general vibe and maybe dig in a little bit into the game. You go. You start. You start the journey. Oh, I always start the general vibe. You start the general vibe. What's the vibe? The vibe. Omar, what's the general vibe? The general vibe. My general vibe was that that wasn't ugly to watch. I felt like I didn't feel like that was a terrible, awful game. I wasn't super like, oh, my fucking God, this is awful. This is disgusting. Fire everyone. But it was just very like
00:17:42
Speaker
I think our defense kept us in the game. I think for the most part, you know, it was engaged. I think we saw some good plays, some good some good play calling. Yeah, I felt like until we didn't until we didn't run game. Yeah, I don't think it was as ugly as it could have been. I don't think this one hurt as much as it could have. That being said, still sucks to lose. It still sucks to have not won a game in the Superdome since October 27th, 1991.
00:18:11
Speaker
That's a long time Yeah, Jim Harbaugh was our quarterback still the last time we beat Beat the Saints in the Superdome so I'm I'm ready. I'm looking forward to Thursday See how we do
00:18:26
Speaker
But I think if you put like an elite offense in that position that the Saints were in It would probably end up being like a 21-point game. Oh, yeah They had so many opportunities and they just could not execute But I mean The beginning of the game was interesting because Tyson Beijing was kind of looking good because I think like I said earlier I think the I think the Saints kind of got blindsided by
00:18:52
Speaker
the play calling, they kind of, I mean, the RPOs that they were not interested. That first drive, we looked like a legit offense. Like it looked, I mean, well, we looked great. We were looking really good for a while. Um,
00:19:06
Speaker
I think you're spot on, I think, for sure, that we caught the Saints off guard, now 100%. They were not anticipated. Some of the play calling was more similar to what we would have done with Fields. Yeah, exactly. That's what I noticed right away. And I think that they were like, oh shit, whoa, whoa, he can move. He's definitely not as explosive. He's not as fast. I don't think he reads the field as a runner as well, and naturally as Fields does.
00:19:30
Speaker
Um, but he definitely is well above average for a quarterback as far as like his speed and explosiveness. Um, I think there was one run where I feel like he slid a little early. Definitely. Yeah. I think he could have gotten like 10 more yards on my head or something. And if it was fields, I think he, in that position, I think, I think he would have dusted that dude. I think he would have been like, for sure. So, um,
00:19:54
Speaker
But flip side, then you also have to think, well, if you're going to play that if it was fields game, you also have to be like, yeah, if it was fields, they wouldn't have been making that play call because, well, we just don't make play calls to his benefit, apparently. So, yeah. But no, Beijing, I mean, honest to God, I'm still I'm happy with Beijing, like all of the fucking backup quarterback.
00:20:20
Speaker
Which is a lot right now. There's a lot of backup. It's hard to keep track. No matter what happens the rest of the season and into the offseason, I think Bajant will still be with the team next year. And I think he'll be our backup and honestly good. Yeah, he looked good starting out. However, the Saints did a really good job at adjusting.
00:20:43
Speaker
especially coming in at halftime. I think that's one of our biggest weaknesses is we don't seem to adjust at halftime. Yeah, I was going to say, it seems like every team in the NFL can do that except for us. If anything, if anything, we swing the other way. We're like, oh, sorry, let me make it easier. But, you know, the thing you want with a backup quarterback is a chance. You just want a chance to be competitive, right? Like, you know, it's a less likely with a backup than it is with a starter. There is
00:21:10
Speaker
a talent gap. There just is. Ten back and quarterback started this week. Jesus. I think if you look at Bajan, he did his job. He's coming in. You got to keep in mind. It's like everyone talked about it week one with undrafted.
00:21:33
Speaker
Uh, uh, uh, you know, division division two division two. Yeah. No, that's great. And that was great for like his, like his come up story and everything, but you also have to be like, okay, now that's the reality of it though. That's what we have drafted division two quarterback. And you see that I think the cool thing about that though, is that he's still performing better than that drafted division one quarterback for performing his backups. Yeah. Like, and I'll tell you right now, I'll take, I'll take Beijing over.
00:22:03
Speaker
over like fucking Daniel Jones any day. Or even Zach Wilson, you know, like these guys that are starters and wildly inconsistent. Like a largest market. Yeah. But, you know, he's the biggest thing that you're saying here, especially against a saint's defense that is disciplined and and they are a top defense is
00:22:34
Speaker
they were able to really highlight his gaps, his weaknesses. I mean, with the three interceptions, you know, it's we had five turnovers. Yeah, five turnovers. You know, three interceptions is not great. No. And so I think they were just able to do their job. The defense, the Saints defense was. But I'm not unhappy with Beijing. He went out and did what he needed to. He kept us in competitive. We scored some touchdowns. He had some
00:23:04
Speaker
really good reads. He had a couple that weren't great. A couple that he had another under throw that took place. But he still looked comfortable in the pocket. He still looked controlled. And even with the turnovers, it didn't seem like he was
00:23:21
Speaker
losing that confidence. He wasn't discouraged by the turnovers? No. And I have to say, I do enjoy some of the play calling in that first half, especially after that first interception. I was like, fuck, they're going to make him go back to those quick chop, quick throws again. And he fucking hit that long touchdown or that long throw on the next play. And I was like,
00:23:41
Speaker
Okay, good. So we were like, no, fuck it. Can't go out and do it again. Yeah. You're right. We'll get this down. You know, it's, I think they're using it as practice for him. And honestly, I think that's kind of how I'm looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a mechanism.
00:23:56
Speaker
But yeah, I think even the ugly, you know, the, the, the interceptions and the bad decisions, he did have some really good decisions. It was also really cool to see him get like pumped and like, you know, he would give like a really long run and a really long gain and just get fucking psyched and you're like, all right, cool. Love to see that. But I think even the ugly, like the, like the interceptions and stuff, even that I was like, I mean, this is what his third game.
00:24:17
Speaker
And it's like, yes, they're at full game. It's like, that shit's going to happen, man. He's still super young. He's still like, he's still got a lot to learn. It's like, he's green as fuck. Yeah. So it's like, it was nothing to me. There was nothing that I was like, get him the fuck out of here. Like I was not, it's just like, he's doing his job. He's doing the best that we can with what he's been given and the situation he's been put in. So I'm with you. I think he'll be around. And I think the other cool thing I think is I do see growth in him each week.
00:24:50
Speaker
pre-snap, he was calling out orders, which he hadn't done as much in the first couple of games. Yeah. But he like legit was up there like reading the defense, making calls. Like I was like, he sounds like a fucking starter. You know what I mean? Like, so you're seeing that growth and that evolution in him. And I sincerely hope, honestly, I'd be okay if it was that one more week. Another week just to be safe. It's a short week. Yeah. Let him have it. It's against the fucking pay there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know if you could hear, but when he was up at the line,
00:25:17
Speaker
Go out and feel good about yourself, you know. Sure, yeah. Although I am conflicted because I do feel with fields, it's like you need to get in when you can, so that we can get this ball rolling. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Re-evaluation. As much as it would be great to make Bajan feel good, I think we could, Justin Fields could use it as well, you know, kind of get back into it, ease back into it and get right game to just kind of get back in the rhythm of things.
Defensive Strengths and Penalty Issues
00:25:45
Speaker
I don't do. I'd be careful with that phrase. I don't think this is a right game at all. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was. We'll get into that later when we talk about the Bears Panthers game. But yeah, overall, I think our I think our offense was pretty good. Mooney had some fantastic plays. He had a breakup. Crazy game.
00:26:14
Speaker
Komet was, oh my gosh, dude. I was, I was so happy watching Komet play this game. I think he's been really good. I think he's really like, as, as the season goes on, I think, uh, he's kind of proven the naysayers wrong and everyone that was questioning like, why are we paying him so much? Why are we keeping him? Like, I think he's kinda. I told you, I told you, I told you, I feel like at the beginning of the season, I think this dude, he, he can be one of the top Titans in the league. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's just a stupid, like boneheaded mistake sometimes.
00:26:44
Speaker
I think he's minimizing those. I think it's better this season than it has been for sure. And again, I think you're seeing that growth and evolution. I also feel like it's hard to grow in the system. With the Bears.
00:26:57
Speaker
Well, and with the Bears in general. I mean, in the general, I feel like, I mean, that's the one thing we've talked about with Justin Fields, is how hard it's been for him to develop and have growth. I mean, I imagine. Quarterback to the whole other piece. That's like it's a whole book. That's a different section of the book.
00:27:32
Speaker
They just picture a bunch of iPads lined up on the shelf. What's a Buok? A Buok. A Buok. So among tight ends, Cole Komet is second in touchdowns with six, tied for fourth in receptions with 41, and fourth in catch percentage with 82%. And he's averaging right now 9.2 yards per reception, which I think is tied with, what's that guy, the Vikings guy, Hutchinson?
00:27:50
Speaker
I'm a library kids is old build.
00:28:01
Speaker
I think Hutchinson has, I mean, I know. Yeah. He's got, I think he's got more receptions and more yards, but I think the average, um, their neck and neck, they're pretty, they're the same right now. So just to give a little love to commit there, I have Tevin Jenkins back over there.
00:28:17
Speaker
Tevin Jenkins had a crazy game. He's, I think he's showing all proceeds. I mean, I, honestly, yeah, I think that, I think that right side of the line, um, you could tell that the saints defense really tried putting a lot of pressure on the right side of the offensive line, which is, I think.
00:28:35
Speaker
Uh, one of the reasons that Foreman had to, we were making a lot of calls, a lot of shifts for that run to go left instead, which is, um, tough. That's tough because that's not the strong side for our running, obviously. So, um, but I mean, Foreman did some damage with that up until he didn't, uh, that's like the story of, it's like everything was working and going well until it wasn't. We need to get shirts made after this season. And that was like,
00:29:04
Speaker
That it's just like 2023. It was all right until it was, it was all working until it didn't, you know, the defense also, I mean, they, they, three consecutive fourth quarter stops to hold the Saints at 24.
00:29:23
Speaker
Stuff and Hill on that fourth and one sneak. I mean, it was great. That's the sixth consecutive game that Bears defense has held the team to less than 100 yards rushing. I mean, the defense is definitely, I think, coming into its own. And we're seeing that. And we've talked about that over the last few weeks.
00:29:41
Speaker
You know, if like you look at like three games is what we're looking for. And we hit that three game stance a few weeks back. And I think they've kept that consistency, too. From the from a yards per carry standpoint, the Bears are the best in the league. I mean, 3.3 to carry and.
00:30:01
Speaker
You know, at this point in the season, it's not just scrub teams that we've played either. And like, there have been some decent backs we've gone against. So yeah, like you can't be like, well, they've only played crap teams. Like we've gotten to that point of, yeah, we're beyond that. Now we have some tough teams to come still. Yeah. Um, I still think that the defense is held the, that the run game is held its own for sure. Um, I think the issue that we have still is penalties, obviously.
00:30:30
Speaker
Right. Yeah. So we talked about the positives. It's just sort of some of the negatives for herself on the foot with some of the stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty bad. I mean, eight for 71 yards. Fifth game with seven penalties this year. Fifth game. How many of those were pre-snap? Do we know? I couldn't tell you. I don't know how that shakes out. But I mean, maybe that's one we should keep for the because I think that'd be worth digging in and maybe do a update next week on that because I think it was a commit maybe in his post game who
00:30:58
Speaker
I think it was commit. It was commit or more who basically was like.
00:31:04
Speaker
You can't say we're close when we still have X number of pre-snap flags. It's like, we're not close. There's no consistency. There's no discipline to that. They need that discipline. They've got to start doing these stupid, stupid mistakes. No, granted, I will say that's something else you have to consider. You're in fucking New Orleans. It's not an easy place to play regardless of how good or bad.
00:31:30
Speaker
The Saints are. Yeah. Superdome is tough to play it. It's fucking loud. They had to call a timeout early on, didn't they? Because they couldn't get the play out. So they had because it's because of how loud it was. They practiced with that. And even then. Agent has never played in that scenario. Yeah. Ever. He's never even trained. Was it last week?
00:31:54
Speaker
It might've been last week that it was his first week ever going on a silent count. Like in his career, college, never had to do it. And that's a whole nother thing.
00:32:07
Speaker
trying to run an entire skill set on a silent account. But even with that still, fucking eight, and then the turnovers, dude, the turnovers are killing us. Now, I will say, I was surprised to see that the Saints only got 10 points off of turnovers.
00:32:25
Speaker
five turnovers and they only converted it to 10 points. That could have been so much fucking work. Yeah. How much would you, how much do you think was, was our defense good on those or was their offense bad on those you think?
00:32:38
Speaker
Well, I mean, I think we've already established the run defense is fine. So it's not necessarily that. But our our secondary, we definitely are bringing more pressure than we were in the beginning of the season. That was one of our struggles. His first few weeks was like, God damn it, you've got to be bringing more than just your front four. So we're seeing that more often. Still not near as much as what we would like to.
00:32:59
Speaker
I think you're saying the guys be a little more aggressive. I know. Who was it? Is it Sanborn that got moved to the middle? Yep. Sanborn got moved over because Edmunds was. And had a decent game. I mean, for.
00:33:12
Speaker
He's not a middle linebacker, but like he has that he has he has that instinct. There's just something to him. I love Sanborn. Yeah, he's got he's got a nose for the ball. I think I think there were a couple of missed opportunities here and there. So I think it was both, you know, their their offense is definitely not operating at its highest potential. And our our secondary is not operating at their highest potential. So I think it was just a nice guy trying to break it down or just one of those two things. Yeah.
00:33:42
Speaker
I think it was one on one plate with another. Sure. Kind of like offset maybe like, uh, they all said each other. Yeah. It's two not great opposing portions of a team facing each other. Yeah. So it's like, who's going to be worse. Yeah. You had something Isaac. Yeah. So I was looking at the penalty rankings.
Defensive Adjustments and Montez Sweat's Impact
00:34:01
Speaker
Um, do you guys have the least amount of Epone opponent penalties and the most penalties committed?
00:34:12
Speaker
And 16 of them are false starts, which is by far the leader out of how many out of 60, 16 out of 60 or false starts. And then holding is 12. And then the rest are like five and four, which is like defensive offside is five. And then just like delay of game and shit like that, which is at like two. So, but it's mostly false starts and holding.
00:34:40
Speaker
Not great. That's discipline. That's lack of discipline, I think. I think for false start, it's 31st in the league. So at the bottom, one last. Yeah. Second to last. Uh, so you mentioned Sanbornstein, I think, uh, and then, um,
00:35:02
Speaker
He was good for the defense. I think Edwards did all right too for the defense. I think we can dig in a little bit into sweat. He played limited snaps. I think their plan was to kind of bring him in on third downs when we really needed him. I was conflicted on that too. Yeah. He's in mid-season shape.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like he's coming off injury or something. Yeah. It's not like he's had even a week off. Just get him out there. You signed the contract before the game. Yeah. They hadn't yet. At that point, I'd be like, OK. All right. Maybe we wait until we get that locked in.
00:35:40
Speaker
But no, like it's everything's done. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can kind of let him go. Yeah. He needs to be out there for a lot of snaps. I think regularly. Yeah. Yeah. Four pressures on twenty five pass rushes.
00:35:58
Speaker
Yeah, uh, yeah, there was one play better, but yeah, I mean first game in, you know, uh, there was one play too that I saw, um, that stuck out to me that it was just pure hustle. I mean, he comes from the other side of the field back around and chases down. I think it was Taysom Hill. Uh, Taysom Hill was pretty much gone for a touchdown and sweat got to him and just fucking stopped him. So I just, he's got hustle and then it's great to see, especially coming in these, you know,
00:36:24
Speaker
Ready to go. It is good to see, especially since the contract had been signed. He didn't. You know what I mean? Yeah, you could have been like not of choice. Yeah, I'm paid. Like, hey, I got mine.
00:36:35
Speaker
Um, no, that, that was good to see. And I think that that does relay back to the things we discussed about like polls and his comments regarding the, this is a team that doesn't quit. So, you know, say what you want about them. They're not, they're not out there just giving up. They're not out there stopping halfway through a play, which is good. Yeah. Chase Claypool. Um, so.
00:36:57
Speaker
Can you guys talk to me a little bit about Taysom Hill? Because I saw that he was running the ball, but then also doing quarterback. What's that whole situation? I had no idea what was going on. I was like, what the fuck? Nobody has felt that there. He's the first player in NFL history to have 10 passing touchdowns, 10 rushing touchdowns, and 10 receiving touchdowns. So is he back up quarterback? What's the... Do you know? Yeah. He played quarterback last year when their starter went out. I think he was their third string, wasn't he?
00:37:25
Speaker
So I don't think he was the backup. I think he was the third string and he went out and he's very versatile. He's agile. You know, he yeah, he can throw the ball a certain distance. He's with accuracy. He's a buddy. Also, he can run. I mean, you saw that. Yeah, he run. He can get it was it was crazy to watch. I mean, he's kind of a Swiss Army knife. They kind of just kept plugging them in and putting them in, especially if all these crazy situations, especially if he if he starts in motion like
00:37:55
Speaker
He's he's got way. Yeah, yeah hard to stop him Yeah, I think he was the leading receiver and rusher for the Saints The tracks you guys got any more on the Bears Saints game
00:38:10
Speaker
I mean, it could have been much, much worse. I think looking at it, look, we have a backup quarterback starting. I'm not going in there with any extreme high expectations. We're going to fucking solder. It was a fighting shot. I think he did that. Unfortunately, some of the mistakes along the way.
00:38:26
Speaker
Obviously, the DJ more fumble like that's completely out of patience control. That's not on him. I think even one of the interceptions wasn't on him necessarily. I think it was an issue with the receiver. But obviously, the other two were learning. It's learning and just got to take it for what it is. All in all, I saw
00:38:51
Speaker
Decent things. I'd like to see a little more aggression. So we've got to start creating Pressure we have got to make these guys uncomfortable and make quick bad decisions. Yeah, right We cannot give them at least on a semi-regular basis. Yeah Yeah, and right now that's just not happening not not with just the front four at least it's not till we bring in
00:39:16
Speaker
Sometimes one extra guy doesn't even do it sometimes. Even then that's, yeah. I'm literally at the point of like, fuck it. Let them go for it. Why not? Yeah.
NFC North Vibe Check and Packers Analysis
00:39:27
Speaker
What are we playing for at this point? We're not, we're not playing for, let's, look, the lines are going to take the division. We know that.
00:39:37
Speaker
I don't know. He's off of one win, bro. He's going crazy. I think with that we can, uh, we can move into the vibe check now. All right.
00:40:01
Speaker
Now it's time for the NFC North vibe check with Isaac Turgeon. How are you feeling Isaac? How are we doing? Super Bowl aspirations. For who?
00:40:17
Speaker
For me and not this fucking guy. I'm telling you, bro, this guy's one way and this guy's high off the fucking Jordan love might be in the MVP conversation now. Best of the three. Yeah. 100% valuable poop. That's crazy.
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah, no, I turned it off at halftime, even though we were winning, because I was like, this doesn't look convincing. This is not fun to watch. Yeah. So we're going to start with the Packers. Yeah, we can start with the Packers. Yeah.
00:40:53
Speaker
Packers went against the Rams. Yes. Starting I was digging into the stats initially and because I didn't get to watch the game and I was looking at all the stats and stuff and I was like, damn, the Rams or the Packers fucking dominated the Rams. And then I watched the game and I was like, oh, it actually wasn't like it's not as I don't think it was as dominating a game as the stats would indicate. We dominated in the run game.
00:41:19
Speaker
I know it's so yeah, Aaron Jones is still on the roster. So that's good news. And so he didn't get traded. No, no, no, no. He got 20 carries, which he's only done a few times in his career. And you see what happens when he gets carries is our offense can actually do shit because
00:41:50
Speaker
You know, running the ball helps out the quarterback, believe it or not. We have a real dual threat at running back, which we've seen in the past, but we've just been not utilizing correctly. So being able to sift in AJ Dell and Aaron Jones created for a good game on the ground. I mean, especially against like not an elite Rams defense, but they mean they still have Aaron Donald's. I mean, it's not some slouch, so I'll take it.
00:42:19
Speaker
Um, for sure. For sure. Uh, Jordan love looked, how did he look? He had some good passes. Yeah. He had some, he looked decent in the second half. And the second half, he did way better. Um, Oh yeah. Not to mention we had a first half touchdown. Our first since week two against Atlanta.
00:42:39
Speaker
Let's see those. Yeah. You need those. Yeah. Most of the time they help out. But I think this was his best. His most sound game statistically. I mean, 20 of 26 for like 220 yards and touchdown. I'll take it. I mean, that's a good.
00:43:01
Speaker
That's a good completion percentage compared to his other games. So I mean, I think our offense needed a game like this where they could control the time of possession, get the defense off the field and work through their kinks and just get a wind under their belt and try and just see what works and see what they can do. And I think it showed. I mean, I think the offense was able to
00:43:29
Speaker
do what they wanted to do for the most part. There was two tush pushes that we did on fourth and inches, and we got both of them, but both of them got called back for offensive offsides on the same guy both times, which were kind of nitpicky. I mean,
00:43:54
Speaker
but if we could have kept those drives going maybe we would have more points more yards, but I Guess you got to learn to keep your head behind the center. So But yeah offense Did their thing I mean they didn't look amazing but they They stuck with the fundamentals. They got it mostly done. I
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. This felt like a good game for your guys, for your young receivers. It seemed like they were able to get involved. And like you said, just able to figure out what works and get in there and just get some experience and not get totally fucked up. Our rookie receiver, Dontavian Wicks had a fumble.
00:44:37
Speaker
And Aaron Jones was really taking the leadership role and was like, tell him to keep his head up, you know, controlling him on the sidelines and stuff like that. He was like, we all fumble, right? And then, you know, just a testament to his leadership qualities. He went out there and he fumbled. Just the show. Look, everybody fumbles. Watch. Look at this. Even I fumble. I'll show you.
00:45:07
Speaker
Committed committed to the team It was leadership by action not by you know, not by words but through action exactly You want me to show you you want me to
00:45:28
Speaker
Buckle up buttercups. Watch this. Fucking watch it. Hold my beer. Looks over and likes at him. Told you. He's like chasing the guy down. He's like, whoops. I mean, our, our defense has been like a top eight defense this year. We haven't played like
00:45:57
Speaker
you know, humming offenses, but you just got to play who's in front of you. And I mean, they've been doing that and they've been.
00:46:07
Speaker
Statistically, they did what they had to do. The Rams were without Stafford ripping with his first start of the season. Um, yeah, they pretty much, I mean, they kept them on lock and key, but it didn't seem like the Rams offense could get anything going pass or run. So they were in his kitchen all night. They were fucking them up. He was getting pressured and that's what you want. You want to put pressure on the guy that hasn't started all year and get him uncomfortable, getting feeling some heat.
00:46:34
Speaker
I mean, you can only play the people in front of you and that's what they did and they executed. I mean, it was Brett Ripon, but that's a Sean McVey light offense and Sean McVey is fucking good. And I mean, you could see, you just see what he did last year with Baker Mayfield off like two days of, you know, just learning the playbook. He was able to go down and win and lead a drive. So, I mean, he knows how to draw up a playbook for people who
00:46:58
Speaker
And this is Brett Rippon who's been in the system for a little bit so I mean It's not like he's good or tops here back up, but I mean I'll take it. I mean we let him we held him to under 200 yards. So I mean I Think we can get yeah
00:47:14
Speaker
After the Russell Douglas trade, we have a lot of rookies stepping up. We had Carrington Valentine, our seventh round rookie, who was targeted seven times and allowed zero catches. And he was allowing a net rate of negative 10 yards when targeted. So super solid, chilling, trusting his eyes really well, super aggressive, super aggressive coming downhill too. I mean, he was blowing up a few screenplays as well.
00:47:42
Speaker
This is our first win since 2012 on daylight savings weekend So you've since 2012 you haven't won a game on daylight savings I heard on a podcast. I was like that's interesting. I'll throw that in there. I
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah, we were without daylight savings is not kind to you I guess Although this part you gain an hour don't you I mean we gained an hour so you would think that would be Maybe they're sleeping too much. They're too tired. Yeah, they're still getting across out of their eyes, and they aren't ready
00:48:25
Speaker
I mean, yeah, that's about it for the Packers. I mean, I don't know how much to take from it, but it was got another one in the wind column. So I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is one where you, you just take what you can get. I mean, there's a lot of people pissy about it, but I mean, you got to adjust expectations. Hey, quick update. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. Fuck you. Call commit on injury.
00:48:50
Speaker
I saw that he was questionable. Is he out now or what's up? Due to the short turnaround, there's a possibility of it that he won't. For from a knee injury, apparently. Mm hmm. I was unaware of that. So yeah, I should have. I should have put that in the outline. But yeah, you fucking showed up. I saw that he was he was questionable.
00:49:12
Speaker
Look, man, I only wanted positives from my guy, you know, we don't have to be, especially after the game. He had like kind of, kind of an important one. Yeah. Yeah. Drop the ball on that one. Sorry guys. But yeah, he is questionable just with the short turnaround and just, I think it's a slight injury. So we'll see. That makes sense. Cole comets sister is dating Lucas van Ness. What the fuck? Pretty interesting. Huh?
00:49:38
Speaker
Good stuff. Anyway, all right, so that does it for the packers. Next
Vikings vs. Falcons Game Insights
00:49:46
Speaker
on the list here, we're going to have the Vikings and Falcons game, which was a pretty crazy game to watch. I can only imagine how crazy it was to watch live. I watched the highlights, the recap, and it was pretty interesting.
00:50:00
Speaker
So who's the guy that started? Was it Hall or something that started for the Vikings? Jern Hall, yeah. Jern Hall started for the Vikings and then got hurt like what? 10 minutes? Second drive. Yeah, second drive into the game. Which sucks because I mean, he looked solid. Yeah, he was having, I think he was like three for three at one point and a good amount of yards, whatever. He was seven of 10 when he went out. Yeah. So he was looking to have a good game, but then he got hurt. How'd he get hurt?
00:50:25
Speaker
Uh concussion he hit his head on the back of the or on the grass when he got tackled I think yikes, so then they brought in Dobbs Joshua Dobbs Yeah, I mean got acquired from the Cardinals. He was starting for the Cardinals all year in lieu of the Kyler Murray injury and he just got traded for like a six or a fifth round six or seventh round pick or some shit on Tuesday at the end of the trade deadline of last week. Yeah Yeah
00:50:54
Speaker
And yeah, they just added him for depth purposes because of cousin's injury. Just in case. And he ended up being very essential to the win. To say the least, he had a great game and he definitely led them to a dub. 20 for 30, 158 yards and two touchdowns.
00:51:14
Speaker
and he didn't pull any first team reps or anything all week. He just learned sections of the playbook and told KOC, Hey, this is what I know. This is what I'm comfortable running. And they did that. I mean, I think.
00:51:28
Speaker
more than anything, it shows the adaptability of KOC and like his strength as a coach, being able to, you know, diagram those plays in the headset, you know, in the huddle and like telling them, Hey, this is what to look for. This is how to read it. You know? Yeah.
00:51:45
Speaker
These are your checks or your cans and stuff like that. And I Mean, it's just an insane. You mean an offensive that's a good coach Fucking crazy, right? Who's willing to adapt a system to suit? The situation on the fly to like that crazy That's able to improvise and adjust what never why would you want way? Why would you run games working stop right up right now?
00:52:12
Speaker
Well, they're going to expect you to keep going with the run game if it's working, right? So if you stop before they expect it, then you can fucking big brain my guy. He's just overthinking on that sideline.
00:52:25
Speaker
Yeah, there's much thinking going on at all. I think he's shaking an eight. You know, I feel like he's doing a lot of calculations, but he's just doing them all wrong. Like, you know, so he's like doing all these things and tying all this string in his head and it's just fucking weighing it all down. There's like some like data analytics piece he's using. And it's like he's got one little switch turned on somewhere that's supposed to be turned off. Oh, I'm inversing. Yeah.
00:52:56
Speaker
Anyway, he's a rocket scientist. Fun fact. He graduated as a hyper intelligence. Yeah. He graduated in aerospace engineering at Tennessee. Whoa. Yeah. So that's no joke. There's no punchline there. He just is actually a rocket scientist. Yeah. No, he's actually like fucking smart as hell. That's awesome. If he's considering his education at all during
00:53:21
Speaker
While he plays, you know, there's there's a handful of they're more than a handful, but there's a lot of professionals that do that where like some of them continue through med school while they play, you know, that's like that's our doctors, you know, because they're like, well, I'm going to be done playing by the time I'm in my late 20s, early 30s. I have a whole nother 30 fucking years to go. I'm not out here making like $35 million a year. Like that's not, you know, I'm out here making, you know, like 800,000, which I mean, it's not a scholarship. Yeah.
00:53:50
Speaker
not enough to be like, I'm retiring after this. Sure. 25 years old. Yeah.
00:53:57
Speaker
Um, the running game still sucks for the Vikings. Um, they really can't get shit going on the run on the ground. I mean, just the blocking even sucks. Um, cam makers, who was their emergency quarterback towards Achilles again. So he's out for the season again. So yeah, this is the second time. Cause he did it while he was with, uh, uh, yep. Tough.
00:54:24
Speaker
Which I mean, he was at the same one. I'm not, I think so. Yeah. So he might be hanging up the cleats after you say you got after that, right? Like you got to just feel like the recovery process for that is to do it once, let alone twice. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Let alone just a mental, you know what? Take it. Just get that shit out. Just.
00:54:49
Speaker
Yeah, the recovery process alone, let alone, let alone the mental, like, I would never trust my, like, I would never trust my leg again. The mental emotional piece is the hardest thing. Yeah, that's gotta be so hard, man. That's gotta be tough.
00:55:03
Speaker
He was learning the cadence on the sideline with the center. I was going to say, I really wanted you to bring that up. To the center and the rest of the line. And then he was also going through like, like how he calls things with some of the receivers and stuff, but as far as like, like this is, this is what my cadence sounds like. Yeah. Very on the fly. You know, when you think cadence, like people, I don't think people always think about that, but you got to like the classic would be like Peyton Manning, right? Oh, wow.
00:55:34
Speaker
Every quarterback has their own thing regardless of what system they're playing. So, like, Peyton still did that even when he left the Colts and went out to the Broncos. Like, that's his cadence.
00:55:47
Speaker
Yeah, it was, you could tell that Dobbs was like, Hey, if we're going to do this, we're doing it right. So that was, it was really cool to see. That's one of those, like, it is very similar. I think the closest thing that you could compare this to would be Baker Mayfield jumping in with the Rams last season on two days notice. That's what I was about to say. This is the same coaching tree. Oh, is it really? Yeah. KOC came from Sean McVay. Well,
00:56:12
Speaker
There's some good success right there. It's interesting because I don't know if maybe Sean McVey taught his people how to fucking do that or something. I don't know. Well, I think that's something that how to translate to new quarterbacks, you know, I don't think it's just with quarterbacks. I think McVey has had success with that with with other position coaching as well. I think it's just like, like, how does that simplify it? Yeah, he's very I think he's very big on communication and just sort of an understanding.
00:56:40
Speaker
Like, you need to be able to break down what we are doing in the simplest of terms so that our players don't have to worry about all that bullshit, right? Like, if it's in the simplest of terms, then we can go out and do some of these more expansive things.
00:56:59
Speaker
But if they can't even get it in the simplest of terms, then we sure as shit are going to be very successful trying to do some of the more complex stuff that we do. And I think that's something that he's good at. So it does not surprise me at all that that's across his coaching staff.
00:57:15
Speaker
That's a very underrated piece of coaching is being able to translate it to your players and make them understand your system as opposed to making them adjust to you. When you're dealing with human beings, right? And that's the thing is like every single person learns differently. Every single person learns at a different rate through different styles, whether it's verbal, tactile, like, you know, visual, I mean, it there are so many different ways. But then even with that, it's like, okay, but even if it is tactile, like,
00:57:46
Speaker
Some people need it broken down more than just... Some people can be shown the whole thing one time and they got it. Yeah, yeah. Others need it broken down into step by step. Others need it broken down in even smaller detail, even more minutia where it's like, take that step by step and break each of those steps in a minute. Yeah, so they're not used to little things. Yeah, when some people need to walk through it even too, even if you tell them a million... I mean, I'm one of them. If you tell me a million times, I might get it. But if you let me walk through it, I'm like, you know...
00:58:13
Speaker
Yeah, like yeah, so I can't be talking. Yeah, that's definitely an important part of it. And that that's why I refer to it as like, you're not talking to me, you're talking at me. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not absorbing any of this information. The same thing with like being read at like you're reading at me. Stop reading. Stop. Give me I have to follow along with you. Yeah. Like give me the verbal or I can take the written with your verbal and put that together. Yeah. Or I can like
00:58:42
Speaker
do my own, like I have to be on my own capacity. Otherwise the tactile side is the other piece for me. So, you know, but that's something like coaching, coaching youth athletes. Like that's a big thing. I can let I have a group of 12 kids for baseball, softball program, trying to teach them the proper mechanics of a squat, just like a basic body squat. You know, it's like I have I think I had to
00:59:08
Speaker
And I'm not just going to stand there and repeat myself until they get it. Do it like this. Why aren't you doing it like this? Do it like this. I'm telling you how to do it. Why don't you do it? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, that doesn't work. You have to get creative with the process. So it's good to see that. Everyone learns their professional level. You can tell. You can tell. For sure. Yeah. So this game was very tit for tat. It's a great game. Yeah. It was very tit for tat. It was very fun to watch. I think the Vikings defense did a good job. It seemed like they kept the
00:59:37
Speaker
Like they kept the Falcons to a good amount of field goals and didn't let them score a lot of touchdowns. I had the Falcons field goal kicker. Oh, so you were, you were living it up.
00:59:49
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, just a great, great, great game to watch. Even the recap of it was fun. So it's good to see the Vikings. I think it's cool that they can keep rolling and have been able to, I mean, just roll with the punches here. They've been dealt a really shitty hand and for them to come back against the Falcons. And so pull out of doubt, which I think, I think it's cool.
01:00:09
Speaker
Absolutely one. I think it I think Isaac had mentioned before in one of the previous episodes about the Vikings defense seems to be turning it around So far and I think that this was another one day
01:00:20
Speaker
The whole point, they got to go out and keep you in the game. That's just it. They keep you in the game. They provide opportunity for you to try. Right. And I think like you said, the backers defense is doing that for them. Their offense just hasn't been executing lately. Obviously, they were able to finally against the Rams, the Bears defense. You got to look at the number of takeaways we gave up and yet limited it to only 10 points. You know, the fourth quarter stops, the
01:00:45
Speaker
Um, but they're showing up and, and, and being, they're trying to keep the offenses in the game. It's just, offenses aren't always clicking. So for the Vikings, the thing with the Vikings, the offensive talent is still there, um, with their passing.
01:01:02
Speaker
So, um, you know, it was, did you see like the numbers for all the receivers, um, with the Vikings and, uh, I mean, like he spread the ball pretty good, you know, considering like he easily could have come out and just been like primary check down, you know, like for survival aspect. And it was, yeah.
01:01:22
Speaker
It was not that at all. Like he was honest to God. Having watched this, I never would have guessed he didn't know the system. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. If you have no context for it, you'd have thought he just had a good game and he'd been with the team all season, you know? So it was impressive. Impressive to see impressive to watch. Very cool. Yeah. Sorry. What?
01:01:45
Speaker
He was really good with his legs too. I mean, seven carries, 66 yards and a touchdown on the ground. He was able to extend plays and kept the drive alive. Yeah. So he was leading passer and leading rusher. It's pretty nuts. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep this going.
01:02:03
Speaker
It proves me wrong last week when I said that I don't know if a quarterback can really get plugged and played into the system. Literally, that's what I thought about as soon as he came in and I saw what was happening. I was like, holy fuck. But you weren't wrong though. Statistically speaking, the odds were full of everything in that statement. You were not wrong.
01:02:23
Speaker
Also, I think it'll be interesting to see which direction they go when Jaren Hall comes back. Because he looked decent in his, you know, first two drives, five of six, 78 yards. And he knows the system, but I mean, when Josh Jobs is delivering like that, I don't know if you can really pivot.
01:02:42
Speaker
especially when he comes out and like, how do you do that to the fan base who just went through losing Kirk. Yeah. You went over the fan base, like speed run basically. So at that point, you're kind of like, we got it. I mean, it's working, right? Like, yeah, for sure. That's why you traded for him, right? Like he's got starting, starting experience. He's, you know, I don't know. Yeah. Initially for death, but I mean, if he's showing out like this and.
01:03:12
Speaker
having a game and he's clearly the thing for me that I okay skill on the field alone is not good enough. It also comes down to what is your what are you doing pregame? What are you doing? You know, are you are you the kind of guy that just had headphones on and keeps himself or you like
01:03:32
Speaker
Interacting with the rest chatting up with the team. Yeah, like getting locked. He's building. He's building rockets. Yeah, exactly. You know, he's on the sideline with a fucking fucking guy just like so like he you know the fact that he was doing that on the sideline of like going over what his cadence sounds like working on snap with with the center making sure that like people were on the page extending those plays and like
01:04:00
Speaker
getting the details down before the game. I don't know. I think that that's that leadership piece that you're looking and hoping for that is definitely going to be missing without cousins there. You're looking and hoping for it from your starter, let alone your third string guy that you traded for Depp. I feel like the more we tell this story at that time span is they traded
01:04:26
Speaker
He got off the plane and they ubered him to the stadium. They had to give him the pads on the plane. He was still tying his shoelaces as he got in the first snap. He was still tying his shoelaces. They lost one of the knee pads and he had to break one of the trays on the plane.
01:04:53
Speaker
He didn't even have time to put a cup on or i'm just gonna say it didn't play with the cup didn't play with the cup He was just big dicking it out there I saw a tweet that was like there's at least there won't be a joe burrow jr in about 20 joe burrow got smacked in the pp
01:05:16
Speaker
This is from a football fan perspective outside of the Packers the outside of being a Packers fan This just shows how much this fucking sucks for Vikings fans because this team looks like so fucking good, especially with like Jefferson wasn't even there for this win streak from them turning it around. Yeah, and you bring him back like yeah with the defense playing the football that they are and getting takeaways and you know
01:05:46
Speaker
just utilizing their personnel as well as they are. And cousins just playing this whole fuck you game that he was playing this year. He was on the tear. They were so much better than they were last year. And it just, it sucks just to see that. I mean, it's good to see if it sucks. I mean, I mean, like, I just like, like that, that alone sucks, but we'll see if that, I mean, it's not like, I wouldn't write them off yet for the rest of the season.
01:06:13
Speaker
I just don't think they can get carried by their quarterback play like they can with cousins at least. Although although Dobbs does extend plays better than cousins does. Yeah, I'm better with his legs, which is going to bring a new element. I would not be surprised to see them actually be competitive enough.
01:06:33
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um that they're not you know completely wiped from the board this like yeah like we honest to god anticipated that they would be but i'm saying like sometimes it just takes that one relationship that one coach to help a quarterback literally step into that next level
01:06:54
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And not that I, I mean, that's a big say to be like, Hey, he, that's what's going to happen here. But just look at that one instance and the data set that we've got from this one position of, of how they were able to simplify and break things down for him in communication style so quick and on the fly. Now imagine what they can do with actual time.
01:07:14
Speaker
Yeah. I think that they could still, I think they could still be competitive. Well, I'm not saying they're not going to be competitive. I'm saying from like a ceiling standpoint, cousins is their best bet to reach their max potential. And that's what I'm saying is I think it sucks that we won't be able to see that ceiling. Sure.
01:07:36
Speaker
I feel like they were really turning it around. And I think they were just starting to play all around good football. And I guess what I'm saying is that in that house, that ceiling was the highest. But bringing in Dobbs with his skill set and his ability to extend plays opens up a different
01:08:00
Speaker
opportunity basically you've moved a different route to that ceiling maybe so the ceiling is a little you know what i'm saying and so like we will see where the ceiling is the same ceiling yeah the same height yeah ceiling it's just how how that's executed how they get there might be different yeah um i think that it was definitely exciting to see cousins like doing what he was doing um but honest god no matter what they're a one-dimensional team on offense unless they could have gotten a run game going i don't think that you know whereas now all of a sudden they have someone
01:08:27
Speaker
It has some legs on him when he moves, which might create more opportunities for other running backs as well. Because when you have a quarterback that's mobile that immediately puts defenses on their heels just a little, like, because then they're like, is he keeping the ball or is he going to run it? And if he, if he keeps the ball, is he actually running with the ball or is he just going out and then passing it? Yeah. Passing it up to the tight end or to, you know what I mean?
01:08:56
Speaker
So I think that this is, there's opportunity there and we've already discussed, you know, the, the coaching staff obviously has.
01:09:03
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has a solid background with pivoting with things. So who knows? Who's to say? That's what I'm saying. I think we have yet to see what the ceiling could be. We're in a different building now, unfortunately. Almost a different neighborhood. We'll see what happens. It could be a different route to the same ceiling or not. Maybe it's lower ceiling, but time will tell.
01:09:27
Speaker
I hope we get to see cousins again though, like at some point, I don't know if it'll be, I really don't. Yeah. Do you think he'll get resigned or no? If, if the Vikings don't shit the season away, like they had anticipated, I think if they had, I think if, I think if they had been like, well, fuck it, we're done, you know, then no, I think he would be done with the Vikings. However,
01:09:50
Speaker
this weekend, and then let's see what this next week brings with actual work and people out there. Who knows if they have a halfway decent season, maybe they do keep them on for next year. You know, if it's enough to buy them by.
01:10:03
Speaker
Get him on that Aaron Rodgers route, have him back for playoffs. You need to start listening to some of that dolphin squeaking. I think it all depends on what, ultimately what timeline the front office wants to go on, you know? I don't know enough about there. Or, you know, down the road. Yeah, I don't know enough about like their contract pieces with some of the other key
01:10:28
Speaker
Members, you know, I don't know what jeffersons is. I don't know what I don't know what any of that looks like for them. So jefferson doesn't have a contract yet. He's still on that rookie. Yep. How much longer does he have on that? Uh, one more year. But they were, I mean, they could have gotten a contract done, but they didn't. Yeah. Which is wild.
01:10:54
Speaker
That boy deserves to get paid. Yeah. And they paid Hawkinson too. They paid Hawkinson, but not Jefferson. I don't know.
01:11:05
Speaker
All right, boys. Any more on the Vikings? No. All right. Well, that does it. The Lions did not play this week. So that does it for the NFC North vibe check. Lions still good. Yeah, I think it's a safe, uh, safe to say.
Bears vs. Panthers Matchup Preview
01:11:21
Speaker
So now we will move on to the week 11 preview. The Chicago Bears are going to be going up against the Carolina Panthers on a short week. Uh, you were saying the Bears are favored, right? Stein?
01:11:36
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by two and a half points on draft games at this time. I don't know how much that'll sway. I'd be interested to see if that shifts once they announce who the starter is for the Bears. I think that's going to be important. Whether fields start or not, if that adjusts the game at all. Because two and a half point favorites is at home. Goddamn. Home is a three point favorite.
01:12:00
Speaker
This is technically a wash at that point. Yeah. That's fucking pathetic. Yeah, I think we'll see if I think it'll be. I think it's a lot on Justin Fields going to start. I think we'll see if Kaleo Herbert comes back. We'll see if we can get.
01:12:17
Speaker
The Panthers have the 29th, our 29th in the league against the run. So if we can get the run game going against them, we should be able to. And if we can, it looks like we might have some success. But it was for at least the first half for until gets he decides, hey, they're all, they're getting out. They're gonna, they're catching on. We need to get cute before they catch on.
01:12:38
Speaker
Yeah, it was funny you were talking earlier because you're saying oh, well, you know Don't call it a get right game and you were right, you know Cuz at first I was thinking like when I was looking into it and I was thinking about it I was like, oh, yeah, the Panthers fucking sucked dude Like there's some and then I was like I thought about it for a few more seconds when I was like, wait we suck We only won one more game We've only won one more game than the Panthers so it's not like we're yeah Yeah, the Panthers
01:13:07
Speaker
They're not doing so hot either, but I mean, it's just battle the bads. We'll see. I think we, I think we can get it done though.
01:13:15
Speaker
We'll see what happens. Bryce Young is not doing as well, I think, as they would have hoped out there. And it looks like we'll have a little bit of an advantage, too, because their main producer on defense, Brian Burrs, seems like he's going to be out with a concussion. So I think that stacks the odds a little more in our favor. And it's a short week. So last time we had a short week, we got a nice little dub. So hopefully we can do it again. What are your outlooks on this game? What do you think for this game? It's hard to say.
01:13:44
Speaker
It's hard to say not knowing who's starting. I think that's going to be a big piece. I think if Fields was out there immediately, our ceiling is higher. You know, it just is. However, I also. God damn, I. When Fields is out there, I do not trust Getzi.
01:14:06
Speaker
Yeah. I barely trust him with Bajin out there. It just seems that Bajin fits a little more of the style that he's looking for. But even then, fuck, the run works.
01:14:21
Speaker
And yet we're not fucking running. Not consistently. Yeah, not consistently. Like it works until it doesn't. Yeah. And it's not that it doesn't decide to stop working because you tried and you were getting stopped. No, no, no, no, no. Stop trying because we stopped trying. Yeah.
01:14:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah on a weird season against the run I honest to God we're only two and a half point favorites at home That's sad. It sucks. So yeah, that's the thing where I'm like, it's a fucking coin flip at this point for me. Yeah, I
01:15:00
Speaker
If you want a true prediction, I'll say it. I think the Bears find a way to win. And I don't think it's the offense that does it. I think it's the defense that does it. I think we finally get Stevenson gets a takeaway or two. You know, we'll see. Yeah. Maybe Stevenson got filtered out of that game. Right. The last one. Because a foot issue. So it might not be.
01:15:26
Speaker
We need to get updates on that too. I forgot about that. Um, uh, maybe Johnson will get a pick six. I think, I think the bears are going to pick six in this one. I'm going to call it. We get one. All right. We get a pick six and at least one sec, one sec. Yeah. Yeah.
Coaching Strategies and Playcalling Concerns
01:15:50
Speaker
One sec. Bold prediction. This side, because that is actually a bold prediction. That is a bold prediction. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm going to say Sweat gets his first sack. There you go. Earns his money. Earns his pay. Does it in front of the home crowd? Yeah. I think it'll be fun. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. I think our defense will hopefully keep on the trend and keep us in it. I think it just also does depend. Yeah, I don't know. Just to hit on it again.
01:16:20
Speaker
This whole situation is just so weird where it's like the play calling for beige versus the play calling for Justin Fields. It's just like, you know, we played a beige in strengths, but Justin Fields doesn't get that same thing. It's just been for me, that's been a really strange. It's been strange to see, but we'll see if that continues. All right.
Hosts' Personal Projects and Podcast Outro
01:16:41
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01:19:29
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Yeah, and thank you for listening. We appreciate you very much We'll be back Next week same time. We'll be talking about the Thursday game. Hopefully we'll have good news, but we'll see Who knows with these with this bears team anymore? Watch we do know it's usually not good anyway Chin up bear down hang in there. Let's fucking go. See you next week bears