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Episode 17: The Chicago Bears vs the Cleveland Browns
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The boys are back baby! Omar, Stein, and Isaac tackle the disappointing loss given to the Bears this last Sunday; they find some good, and also discuss the bad. They give the NFC North a vibe check, talking about what happened around the division from Green Bay loss caused by bad defense, to a Lions win that seems to indicate the Lions being back on track. After all that they breakdown next weeks matchup against the Arizona Cardinals. It's a good one, give it a listen! Chin up and Bear Down.
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:00
Speaker
And we're rolling, we're going, we're doing it. It's happening. We are back at full fucking strength. We are unstoppable. Welcome back. It's going to be back. Good to have you back. I am your host Omar Delgado with me as always.
Technical Issues and Packers Discussion
00:00:20
Speaker
Well.
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Speaker
As again, always, back always. Zachary Stein, also known as Stein. Also with us, our resident Packers fan extraordinaire, Isaac Turjan. Another rough Sunday. Another rough Sunday for the Bears fans as we welcome you in.
00:00:47
Speaker
But just a little welcome back. Welcome back to everyone. Welcome back to Stein. We missed the episode. I totally was just I could not catch a break this weekend. We were supposed to have an episode of just me and Isaac.
00:01:00
Speaker
It was recorded, it was edited, and I just could not get the chance to post it. I'll probably post that if you guys want to take a listen. You're doing a twofer? I'm doing a twofer this week, so you can get a little, because I think we had some pretty good conversation, Isaac and I, last week too. So there'll be some good stuff in there for you. I kind of wrapped up the Packers win streak as well and shit like that. Yeah, that was really great. We had some really good stuff on the NFC North and the Packers especially.
00:01:23
Speaker
As Bears fans, maybe you're not too interested, but maybe you should be because they're in our division and they're our rival. So it's good to know what's going on. There's similar spots too. Honestly. Honestly. We're
Bears Player Updates and Team Performance
00:01:37
Speaker
going to start with some updates. Tevin Jenkins currently is questionable. He left the game on Sunday against the Browns with a concussion. I assume as usual, we will know more on Wednesday.
00:01:49
Speaker
It looks like Equinami Saint Brown is out. He is officially out right now for this next game due to a pectoral injury that I guess kept him out of the game, out of the Lions game as well. I think that about does it for updates. So with that, let's welcome Stein back. And then what's the vibe, Stein? How are you feeling? Honestly, I mean, I feel OK. I just want to put this all very realistically.
00:02:17
Speaker
Um, we have five wins that more than last year, more than last year. And coming into this at the beginning of the season, that was one of the things we discussed was kind of like, just be better than last year and record. We've proven that, um, you know, it's, uh, and, and we're competitive when.
00:02:38
Speaker
wouldn't like at times when we're doing the right things doing the right things and when people when things are clicking when we've got the right personnel in there with with decent play calling right.
Joe Flacco's Legacy and Game Analysis
00:02:51
Speaker
So when there's decent play calling, when there's decent play calling with the right personnel in there, we are being competitive against teams that are above average. And say what you will, I mean, even Cleveland,
00:03:10
Speaker
They might have Joe Flacco in there, but they have fucking Joe Flacco. I just want to point out a respect is due to a man with his stature and his accomplishments throughout his career, even though he has a backup now. He very much has the ability to win games and put Cleveland in a position to stay competitive as they need it. Yeah, he's shown 900 yards in the past three games.
00:03:34
Speaker
Like I mean that's that's nuts man friendly and he can go out and sling it still yeah, and I mean and It's not like he's been with the Browns this whole time. You know coming Was he a free agent or what was he? He was on his couch
00:03:49
Speaker
He was just chilling. He's eating Cheetos. It was like, I mean, I said the same thing last week. Joe Flacco was at his best when he can throw 40 to 50 times in the game. And then because even if it's like bad, it'll start hitting eventually. Yeah. He's a frequency passer. Like he needs that elongated. It almost takes him.
00:04:07
Speaker
It's almost like warm ups before the game, don't count. He has to go out there and like, like be in game time mode and then throw 40 getting game time reps. And then all of a sudden it just starts clicking.
Bears' Frustrations and Missed Opportunities
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Speaker
And I mean, he was that way when he was with the Ravens too. So, yeah. So I mean, all in all, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not super pissed. I'm not super disappointed. Um, yeah, there were some missed opportunities yesterday. There were.
00:04:36
Speaker
Um, I saw a couple of good things. I saw a good chunk of bad things, but the bad things that I saw were also some of the shit we've been dealing with all season. So yeah, fixable things that we've seen again and again.
00:04:49
Speaker
Uh, dude, my vibes were shot yesterday. That shit genuinely like, I don't know, I think just cause yeah, man, I just, I got that pit in my stomach again. And then like afterwards I was just like, this fucking sucks, dude. I sent that message to the child. Like football sucks, dude. This shit is ass. This shit sucks. Um, but yeah, I feel a little better today, especially all things considered. I mean, like you said, just some missed opportunities, but I mean, we saw some good things. We also saw some bad things.
00:05:17
Speaker
I think we're officially out of the hunt now, I'd say. Five percent, baby. So there's a chance. Well, I mean, that wraps up the general vibe, right? General vibes wrapped up another fourth quarter collapse. Let's just start getting into the game recap here. I want to start on a good note. I think our defense.
00:05:40
Speaker
Our defense did really, really good and did what they should have. Um, the Browns had a, what's up for most of the game, for most fair. Um, give up 212 yards in the fourth quarter. I feel like the defense held up more than than enough for a majority of the game. I mean, they gifted him that one, the one, I mean, they scored a touchdown and then they got him the ball at the one yard line. So, I mean, they did.
00:06:12
Speaker
what they absolutely i mean they miss shit but which on that specific on that specific one they they took advantage of that like we scored on that on that opportunity given to us by the defense so and um maybe that's why it took us what 12th place to get it in the end so it was we were trying to give the defense a break
00:06:30
Speaker
We're trying to- Dude, can we talk about that? Can we sit in
Penalty Woes and Defensive Strengths
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Speaker
this for a second? How many- can you look up Isaac, how many plays exactly it was? Cause that was- It was twelve. It was twelve plays. It was only four counted plays. It was twelve counting penalties and stuff, yeah. But because of the ridiculous amount of penalties.
00:06:53
Speaker
I was laughing, I was crying. Bro, that shit was awful. She was so goofy. What was it, nine? Nine plays. See, I had somewhere else that said it was 12.
00:07:07
Speaker
Too many. There were two penalties where they had too many men on the field. Cleveland had twice they had 12 men on the field. Did you see the second time there was like the corner or whatever that was like running trying to get off because he counted. He counted and realized that there's too many and he's like running towards the sideline trying to get off and he doesn't get there in time.
00:07:30
Speaker
Oh, dude, that was such a fucking, oh, that was such a slop fest, man. You know what it looked like? It looked like the Bears playing the Bears. Like, that's what that- It looked like peewee football. I looked like little kids. We're playing, looking in a mirror sometimes. Yeah. The Browns were giving us a reflection of ourselves in that fucking-
00:07:50
Speaker
Oh, that was nuts. Like just truly in a turn. I thought it would never end. I was like, this game is just going to go on. Yeah, certainly here. Like halfway through that, I was like, I don't know what's happening anymore. I didn't know whether to be like, I didn't know whether to be like, just give us a touchdown or just like call it like, I don't know. Like, just give it to us. Or maybe like, you know, maybe it's bad enough that you should, we should just not get the chance anymore. Can we just start over? Can we start this again? Do the coin flip again, please?
00:08:21
Speaker
Bring the captain's out. Let's flip the coin again. This shit is Shit rocked in how you can literally mid game mid game no mid game pause it and you like decrease the difficulty level Okay, yeah, oh That was fucking goofy I Wasn't even mad
00:08:42
Speaker
Because I was just because of how funny it was. I mean, yeah, I was not upset at all. Just because of how funny that was. OK, so up until the fourth quarter, I think for how I mean that that Browns O-line is where we were last year with the O-line. I think by the end of the game, they had one of their starters and everyone else was it was a backup. They started out the season as a top five offensive line like.
00:09:10
Speaker
I think I actually mentioned that on one of our episodes. Yeah, yeah. Like going through ranking of lions and yeah, they are definitely hurting for sure. Yeah. So given that, I think I would think I was expecting our defense to come in and have a game and they did. They had a great game. Three interceptions.
00:09:31
Speaker
Which were odd, dude. Pick six, right? Yeah, pick six. There was the one for Tremaine Edmunds' pick, that way I think was the pick six.
00:09:42
Speaker
That was crazy, dude. Edwards fucking, Edwards came across and just fucking murdered, like absolutely murdered that receiver and the ball pops out and then Edmunds just takes it and like runs it. Dude, that was so sick.
Montez Sweat's Impact
00:09:54
Speaker
A hundred percent he could have like, he could have caught, he could have caught something for that shirt, for sure. State troopers are just like waiting on the side. Like, buddy, it's time for you to go. He fucking killed that guy. On national television. Yeah.
00:10:11
Speaker
We have 60,000 people eyewitnesses here. Yeah, everyone saw what you did We got one for the rook Tyreke Stevenson and then we got one for the vet Eddie Jackson his first pick of the season Props to him props to him
00:10:28
Speaker
Yeah, I love that you I think he was he was pretty active in the game are all in all our secondary again for the most part was it was pretty good pretty good being active out there and To continue on the defense. I think we got to give a big tip of the hat to Montez sweat. Oh, yeah five tackles to assist two and a half sacks in Flacco's face all fucking game
00:10:51
Speaker
Love to see it. I think he is, uh, I mean, just continues that continues to bear out to be like a really great pickup for us. I think he really is becoming a leader in a staple for this defense. Well, and again, I think that it goes back and highlights. Like if you, if you look at from when we picked him up through now, I maintain that it has opened so many opportunities for our secondary to be a secondary and not have to operate.
00:11:16
Speaker
So, um, carefully anymore, like they're able to go out there and like fly around the field a little quicker and not. Yeah. And, um, yeah, so I don't know. I think, I think he has been great. And you can tell that he's really like, I think he feels at home in his, in that position. Now say, say what you will about the Browns old line being hurt. Yeah, absolutely. They are, but he still has a fucking job to do. And we've seen it plenty of times in the past where.
00:11:46
Speaker
like The people that you were paying money to come in and do a specific job. Yeah do that fucking job Mm-hmm, even with backups in there. So so for me, I'm like, I don't care. I don't care that it was backups I don't care that it wasn't there for online like yeah He was still out there like putting pressure and she did what he was supposed to be I think that sometimes human beings have this innate Ability of
00:12:13
Speaker
playing up or down to the talent we're across from sometimes. And it was good to see him not give a fuck and still go up and try to show up.
00:12:24
Speaker
And I give a fucking a good way of like, I don't care who you are across from me. I'm going to fuck you up. Like, I'm not going to take place off here. Exactly. His intensity and his decision making. And it all still was at that more that higher that elevated level. Yeah. That it would be if he was going up against a full line of starters. So, yeah, that also gives me good hope. And in that still creating that pressure, it's getting the secondary and some of the younger guys more
Justin Fields Under Pressure
00:12:52
Speaker
reps and more experience being a part of a holistic defense. Um, more true reps of being like true, a true secondary, like you're saying, exactly. And so for me, and if anything, like if he could have eased up, he could have backed off a little bit, um, with it not being the starting online, he could have been like, I don't have to go as hard. Right. And then you're, but then you're cheating your secondary and the rest of your team, cheating your team on that, on real reps and opportunity to like go out there and trying to get some success. And.
00:13:22
Speaker
They're put in a position where they can take a shot that they might not usually try to take a shot on. I'm really enjoying his performance so far. Yeah, I'm with you. It's great to see him. Most QB pressures since week nine, Montezua has. Love to see it. You got any more in the defense?
00:13:49
Speaker
I think that they absolutely, as Isaac said, like put us in great position on a handful of occasions and they did what they needed to, the majority of the game. You know, the issue always, you know, and here's what we'll do. Let's go back now and talk about the offense, right? The defense was providing opportunity.
00:14:13
Speaker
ample opportunity yeah we will come back to the fourth quarter then but like okay so then what the fuck happened like why was the score so low why we should have honestly been like dog walking them the same way that we did the week before i mean like you know we're just putting up points and just opportunity was there and it just was not happening yeah so a lot of three and outs for the offense
00:14:41
Speaker
Lots of three and outs. I think a big issue.
00:14:46
Speaker
I think weather played a larger issue than what fields will admit to. I think that with how much it was raining, and did you see the pools on the sidelines? I did not see that. When it eased up on raining, there were literally like entire spots, like giant pools on the sidelines where people couldn't stand because of how much water. How much water was there?
00:15:14
Speaker
I still don't think his grip is quite a hundred percent. I would expect it to be closer into like the 90s now, but I guarantee it's not in the hundred and I guarantee playing in that weather decreased it even further. You know what I mean? Like it would if you had a hundred percent grip, that's going to mess with you a bit. Yeah. And so I think that it had a bigger, a bigger effect. I think it had an effect on him reading plays. And I know that he made comment about like,
00:15:42
Speaker
the defense, he gave huge props to the Cleveland defense and that frontline just being like, they brought the house, they brought it. They were on it. It was difficult to get reads. They were in the way. It was one of the more difficult games that he's had. He was open about that, which I appreciated that he took ownership of that.
00:16:08
Speaker
So yeah, he had he was facing a lot of pressure. I think our O-line, especially we mentioned earlier that Tevin Jenkins went out with a concussion. I think especially once after he left, I think our O-line definitely kind of started to fall apart and let people through. And they were we were talking before the podcast, too, where I feel like our backs the whole game weren't didn't know where blitzes were coming from, which made it harder for them to block and give fields a little more time.
00:16:35
Speaker
Um, so fields I just think was dealing with the shit ton of pressure and the stats bear that out So he was pressured on 20 or 45 Dropbacks that's tied for the most in his career and that's the third time this season that he's been pressured 20 plus times I wouldn't be surprised.
Coaching Critiques and Strategy Debates
00:16:49
Speaker
I would be very interested to see if in those three games Where it was 20 plus times? Whether Tevin was in or not was in the game I would not be surprised. I mean, yeah, I think because of his injuries
00:17:03
Speaker
like throughout the season so far you know we see a degradation in the in the value of the line when he's not there and we see an increase in an uptick in production when he is there and i think that's been proven on the run game the run game here was
00:17:19
Speaker
Abysmal. Terrible. Yeah, bad. I honestly felt bad for the for the backs. Like, yeah, they just didn't have protection. They didn't have the holes opening up. The communication wasn't there. No, I mean, yeah, Jenkins went out, but I mean, field still held the ball. Right. The second longest time holding the ball. So he had time. The problem was that because of the pressure and like
00:17:48
Speaker
he didn't just mention the pressure he was mentioning like they were taking up gaps like the way that they were like their arms were up and clouding his vision up they were clouding it to where he was not able to get the reeds and he said he said I have to be better at that you know you throw in elements on top of that and obviously I mean that's it's funny because with I remember watching
00:18:07
Speaker
Games as a kid where like the cameras weren't great. So if it was pouring rain, you can barely see. Yeah. Now, like the cameras are so good that unless they do a fucking close up, you can't tell it's raining sometimes. Yeah. And I remember playing in a couple of those games like that where like it is pouring rain and you're like, yeah, it's the middle of the day, but I can only see about 10 feet out. Sure. Yeah, can't do much there. See what happens. Yeah.
00:18:39
Speaker
But ultimately, I think this is also going to come down to, okay, we've lost one of our line. We should be prepared for that. Let's just be honest with what the bears are. Should be ready for one of them to go down. And yet, I think a big issue is
00:18:56
Speaker
like letting off the gas, not being as aggressive as we could be. Right. And I know that we've had in post-game conferences, it was multiple. I think multiple wide receivers mentioned that they were open about like more was one of them. It was like, you know, I just don't understand why we're not why we let up.
00:19:20
Speaker
Well, what's going on? So this clear communication and I think Moody was the other one. Yeah. Yeah. Where there's this clear, there's a clear issue when like, this is something that we've been saying. Yeah, right. I literally in an episode, I think I said, how fucking dare you think that you just are allowed to let off the gas. Yeah.
00:19:39
Speaker
And this boom right there and now we're hearing it and layers are releasing it openly. Yeah. And I'm like, and not just behind closed doors in the locker room themselves, but now like they're voicing the media to the media, you know, allowed. So very, very intrigued. I think especially here's my issue.
00:20:06
Speaker
The Bears had a moment. We had a moment of clarity, a come to Jesus moment of like, this is an opportunity to all of a sudden, like knock on the door to the postseason.
00:20:24
Speaker
to win three games in a row, which has not been done since December of 2020. So, you know, like that opportunity was there. This is an opportunity that I think we said in the, in the past that this, this, this team does not know how to win. That was our big issue in the beginning of the season. That first, the front half of the season was like, they don't know how to finish a fucking game. Yeah.
00:20:48
Speaker
here and now it's like, okay, hey, they've made progress. Sure. But now the next step is winning multiple games. Like keep winning a streak, not shooting yourself in the foot. Yeah. And I'm sorry. Like when you go back to the win against the Vikings like that, come on. That was a fucking garbage ass game as well. Yeah. You can't really win this. This one would have almost fit in that category had we won anyways. You know, like it where it's like, yeah, you won.
00:21:18
Speaker
It literally was a coin flip, right? It wasn't decisively. And so I'm like, we have opportunity. This is the first time that this coaching staff has all of a sudden opportunity and a glimpse into what the future could be. What are you going to do about it?
00:21:33
Speaker
And coming out with the game plan that they did and the execution that they did and their adjustments insert air quotes adjustments that they made throughout the game. I'm like, you're not ready. You're not ready. This is the coaching staff. They are not ready. They are not prepared to to take and lead these players to that level. And I personally still don't I don't think they'll ever be ready. Not this coaching staff. No, I just don't think they have it in them.
00:22:02
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I agree. I mean, I said it before, um, he's just, Matt Ibifus is just a fucking loser and this coaching staff is, you know, get to you and Ibifus, you're just fucking losers, man. I mean, it was against the Lions that I, that I had said, and I think it was, again, you had an opportunity, you had a great opportunity here to be.
00:22:21
Speaker
a really good defense to continue this you know keep this conversation going of like all right keep your opportunity of like all right we might make the postseason here you know slim chance but we're doing what we can to keep that opportunity going we're going to worry about what we can control you know and this was your moment this was another moment that you had and you pissed it down you're like
00:22:40
Speaker
And I was starting to feel bad last week and the week before about talking so much shit about Iberfus. And every time I start to feel bad, he fucking makes me not feel bad because he does. He opens his mouth. He makes a shitty. He does what he did this week. Something happens. And I'm just like, no, I was right.
00:22:57
Speaker
I don't feel bad. I'm going to I'm going to come clean. I quit listening to his interviews and just reading the transcripts because I can't fucking stand it. The sound of his voice. Yeah. Literally like my taint just like screeches up. Just I don't like I can't. Yeah. Yeah. And then I have to punch things and I'm like, I'm a grown ass man. Like, oh, I can punch some walls. Should not feel this. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:26
Speaker
It's like years of therapy just gone right out the door just down the fucking coach that I'm Lucky for him, you know, yeah So it's been yeah. No, I'm right there with you, man. Yeah, it's just bad bad calls and I think the bad call they just makes me I want to turn I want to Kind of circle back around to the running back situation because I kind of want to get your opinion on it, too I mentioned
00:23:53
Speaker
I think the week before last week and I talked about it last week with Isaac too about how like I felt like I felt like we needed to bite the bullet and I mean maybe maybe he's not 100% healthy and maybe that's part of what it is but I felt like we needed to bite the bullet and get Khalil Herbert some reps to get him back in the rhythm of things and he wasn't going to be immediately productive but like you know you're gonna have to bite that bullet just to get him comfortable and back in the swing of things
00:24:17
Speaker
Um, but I felt, I mean, we just kept going with Deontay form in this game and it wasn't working and we just kept doing it. And then Roshan Johnson got something going and then we went away from it. Uh, all that just to work for a minute. I'm just curious. I'm just curious as to like, you know, you're why you see the running back situation and you know what, what your thoughts are on all. I understand protecting Herbert and not leveraging him when, if.
00:24:47
Speaker
If the mindset is what the fuck are we playing for? And I think that I mentioned my issue being that this is an opportunity for the coaches to to show up and to play a big boy game and.
00:25:05
Speaker
The fact that they have chosen the last couple to not get Herbert in there more often and get him some reps. I wonder if they have already collectively made the decision to protect him and try to make a better run.
00:25:23
Speaker
Next year? We're going to pack it up this season. For him. For him. So I'm looking at this from when you talk about running backs. And I think I've had this conversation recently, actually, about just the longevity of running backs in the NFL as far as my career is concerned. And the average length is super, super small. It's very low, but that's also taking into consideration all
00:25:53
Speaker
all professional football players. So that includes, you know, like practice squad people, too. Right. So like how long is a career at each position and running back is one of the lowest ones. Now you take like a legitimate first string, a legitimate starter at a professional level. If you only looked at those across the board, they obviously go up a little more. It's a little higher. But even then, relative to other positions, they're very low. And that's because they are
00:26:21
Speaker
They are the ones that have the most change of direction going on at the hardest angles in the most like condensed. Population on the field as far as like, you know, between these guys are fucking, you know, anywhere from like five, seven to like six, one running between giants. Yeah. Tower over them that are over six. Over 300. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:48
Speaker
And so like, yeah, they are running full force into the backs, into the fronts, into getting blown from the side. Just like, you know, dicks everywhere. Football. Sorry. So. I understand that from a business perspective, as far as like maybe not even cover it, but only if you have the mindset that.
00:27:12
Speaker
We're done. We're done for the season. Yeah. And so between that, there's just a lot here that the decisions that the coaching staff has made across the board that I'm like, you, you don't know what you're doing. You don't have faith in this team. You don't have faith in the organization and anything in yourselves. And like, and I'm just like,
00:27:38
Speaker
But why would you do that? That's my flip question. That's like my devil's advocate side is like, but you know, you know, you guys are going to be gone next year. Like why? I give a shit. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, why not try to go with a bang and like actually make some good decisions and show that, Hey, you're learning from this experience and that you're employable. So I'm not, I don't know.
00:28:05
Speaker
Well, so I mean, that's my take as far as like the running back. Yeah, yeah. And I get it. You know, Deontay Foreman, I think we had planned on leveraging him more in the later half of the season anyways. Obviously, he came in sooner than that. And I hope I believe that that was actually said like like the plant because of his age and because of experience that like
00:28:25
Speaker
you know, we hadn't planned on bringing him up so quickly in hopes of having depth there that we could leverage him later in the season.
00:28:36
Speaker
Because, you know, I think they thought that they had a shot in the north, at least, uh, for a minute there. Right. Until they didn't until like, after the first or second game and they were like, Oh fuck, what'd we do? Oh, we're losing games. Oh, this is a professional game. Oh, this isn't preseason anymore. So yeah. Um, that's where I'm at with it. I honestly, and I think another big issue there is the old line, like.
00:29:05
Speaker
We saw what the run game was when we didn't have our starters and you compare those numbers to when we actually had the like our front five in there and it's like, oh, there's a, there's a big difference between those two things.
Offensive Play-Calling Challenges
00:29:17
Speaker
And then as soon as Kevin Jenkins is gone, like.
00:29:20
Speaker
I'm like, why are you even trying to run it anymore? Yeah, sure. I don't want to be bouncing around, but I feel like there's just some things that I want to hit on that it's just going to be bouncing around. I want to talk about Mooney a little bit. Two catches, 14 yards. Obviously, a really significant drop that I last played the game. Field sent to Hail Mary. He was coming down with it. He was falling already. Ball kind of falls in his lap. He drops it.
00:29:50
Speaker
And that wasn't the only bad play. He had another bad play earlier on the fourth and one, that defender got right past him, was able to trip up Justin Fields. And Fields wasn't able to get past the... He wasn't able to get the first down on that play. I don't know. I feel bad. What do you think about Mooney? Especially that last play, that Hail Mary drop.
00:30:20
Speaker
Uh, what did people expect? I feel like people are underrating how hard that is to fucking catch. That is. To catch, yeah. Fucking catches to do. Yeah. Um, not just that. He wasn't supposed to be the one to catch it. His job was to go box people out. Yeah. Komet was supposed to be the one to catch it.
00:30:35
Speaker
And instead, commit was part of the party that knocked the ball down. So he was in position to do his job, which was to box people out. And all of a sudden, there's a ball in front of him and he was already like starting to fall. So for me, it's like.
00:30:54
Speaker
You ever like turn around and all of a sudden there's a ball in your face? I mean, I know for you are definitely just balls everywhere. Just flying at me constantly. But like, you know, we're like, you turn your head all of a sudden. Oh shit. That's kind of what it's so easy to look at that in slow motion. Like they just show up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the problem. But like, watch it in real time. And it's like.
00:31:18
Speaker
His eyes weren't there because he was not going to be looking for the ball. Now granted, he should be ready. I think everyone down there should be like, yes, the plan is for everyone to go down and box out and get up on top of people. But you should also be ready to like, just in case something, the worst case scenario.
00:31:42
Speaker
that but portion didn't happen but no i i that's not yeah yeah that's really hard it was he's falling on the way to i feel like that's what i'm saying i felt bad because he just is he's getting so much shit and also i'm gonna throw this out there i agree with what commit said later which is we should not be we shouldn't be relying on those plays rely on yeah we can't do that yeah and and that comes down to like just poor execution
00:32:08
Speaker
offensively throughout the majority of that game. They just were not executing. Playmakers were missing plays. Now, I don't think playmakers were put in the most optimal position to be playmakers. To be successful. And then the few that they were, it's like that limits your opportunity immediately. You have to be 100 for 100 then. And they just weren't.
00:32:35
Speaker
So for me, I'm like, I agree with that. I'm so I know I feel for me, I like Mooney a lot. He's been productive with the Bears in his time with us. I don't I know he's having a rough season. Yeah, he's having a tough season. But but also, it's like, God damn it, this fucking offensive coordinator. Yeah, they do not know how to actually build a playbook.
00:33:00
Speaker
for your playing makers. And that's where I'm like, I just, it's like you're dicking everyone, man. You just are. You can't rely on fields to more every time, which is proven in this game. Yeah, right. More who already had limited snaps. Yeah, it's just kind of like, now, if we got like an actual number two,
00:33:29
Speaker
You had two guys on the streets. Mooney like as in legit three. Yeah. Running a couple of slants out there. Yeah. We don't run slants. I don't think slants are in the Bears playbook right now. Yeah.
00:33:52
Speaker
No, it's just not happening. And like, and that's the other thing is I think when you don't do that anymore, when you don't do what you do, like regularly.
00:34:04
Speaker
You lose the feel for it. You got to get it out there. You can't run like 600 screenplays in a season and expect your fucking wide receivers to just be ready. I think that's low ball to catch the ball. Oh shit, I have to run a real route. Oh, I have to use my hands. My hands not to block, but to catch.
00:34:30
Speaker
So no, I just I think from a coaching this is a this is not again I refuse to put the issue on the personnel Yes, this is a leadership issue all of this across the board Yeah, you just took the words out of my mouth here because I think that's what I wanted to go to any any topic here that I think that I want to hit on I think it just all goes back to the the failure of leadership failure of coaching I mean as and as it has for the past I mean since the beginning of the season when Isaac mentioned
00:34:57
Speaker
about just noticing the issue with the blocking from the running backs, since the running back coach got fired. We have
Leadership and Coaching Issues
00:35:05
Speaker
a coaching issue. The coaches aren't just that, yes, these are professionals, and yes, they're very good at what they do, but you know what they're really good at doing? Being coachable.
00:35:17
Speaker
When you go through interviews and you go through and talk to any scouts at a collegiate level and going into any type of minor league or professional level, the thing that they're looking for regularly when they get to the interview process is, is this motherfucker coachable?
00:35:37
Speaker
Your skill is one thing. Your pure talent is another thing. How you're able to take those and apply them into different settings comes down to coaching. Are you coachable? These guys are coachable.
00:35:55
Speaker
I think we got rid of the one primary person who wasn't coachable. How's he doing down there by the way? I have not heard a peep out of him since the week after he left. No matter what, that comes down to leadership. It is a leadership issue. It is a coaching issue. It's fucking garbage. Yeah, it all comes back to that. It all comes back to the coaching.
00:36:23
Speaker
I will say, hey, let's give credit where credit is due. Once Eberflux is gone, I think he has earned the right as a defensive coordinator somewhere. I think there's plenty you need for it. You think he could go to the packers? To the pack? I think he could do some damage up there. Dude, anybody that's not Joe Barry will do fucking damage.
00:36:46
Speaker
Well, we need a sleeper agent. I don't know. Hang on. I need to I need to update my. Fuck you. You're not getting lovey Smith. I think we need to. Yeah, we need a sleeper agent up in fucking Wisconsin. I got plenty down here. It's not a sleeper agent. If they got lovey Smith, it's not a sleeper agent because he'd be winking at the camera the whole fucking time. You want another number one pick? I got you.
00:37:15
Speaker
We're gonna let the Panthers win next week so they can get the second overall pick. Imagine. Oh, man. Oh, no. No, it's gonna be Bryce Young looking like fucking Tom Brady. Like a god, yeah. I feel bad for that kid, too. Oh, he's getting beat up in Carolina, man. Like shit rocked, truly.
00:37:40
Speaker
Like he's, and I don't think he's a bad quarterback. I really don't know, but he is behind the worst offensive. I mean, he's on the worst game of the league. He's in survival mode. The fact that he's made it this whole season is impressive. I couldn't imagine. I feel bad for the kid.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah, you want to keep packing at this game a little bit or you want to move on? No, I mean game wise as far as like, I mean, we can come down like, yeah, the, the, the defense kind of dropped the ball in
Game Analysis: Defensive Strength, Offensive Failings
00:38:13
Speaker
the fourth. Uh, you know, even you give up 212 yards passing, it's in the fourth quarter in one quarter. I mean, but flip side, like they did what they need. They did their jobs for the, for the majority of the game and the offense did just didn't, you know? And so.
00:38:29
Speaker
It was a game of defense for sure, I felt like. For sure. It was just. For sure. It was fun from like a defensive perspective. I loved the interceptions, some of the sacks, some of the, there were some really good hits out there and like, again, the way the secondary flew around the field, not even just the secondary, but like the back seven, you know, themselves like were, I thought that they did fantastic. So for most of the game. Also, can we give a quick shout out to Flacco? Like,
00:38:55
Speaker
Just kind of like I like seeing some of the guy like that's a generation. I Mean, he's got to be done again soon, right? Like I mean Yeah, but he's of that generation of like he's part of that last era like of the of the most recent era. Absolutely. Yeah, and So having that like little taste again was cool. Um, you know seeing him go out there and kind of show out I was like it sucked that it was against the barriers, but I mean against us. Yeah
00:39:24
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean other than that it's just Yeah, it is cool to watch him come back and I mean, I don't know if we said this before or just now But I mean he's had no over 900 yards in the past three games coming in into the Browns Organization like it's it's impressive and it's it's crazy to watch Yeah, I mean I think that's all I got this should have been a dub it wasn't it's been it's coaching and I think I
00:39:52
Speaker
They don't want to win a myriad of problems. They just, I don't think, again, he was just a fucking loser. He doesn't know how to win. You just can't scheme up a game plan like that and take your foot off the pedal. And yeah, he's just not going to work for you. I think also just was, I feel like Joe Fickel. What's up.
00:40:12
Speaker
I think it's more that it's, it's more because obviously he's not the one necessarily scheming that the offense, right? He's taken with the offensive coordinator puts together and then approving it or not. And that's my issue is like, come on, man. You'd really don't see an issue with the play calling. Don't give me that bullshit. And you know what? That's the last interview. I listened to him.
00:40:35
Speaker
was when he made the comment that he didn't see any issue with the play calling. And I almost, I almost threw my laptop. I was like, because my headphones were in and I jumped out of my seat. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? It ripped. My laptop came off my desk.
00:40:52
Speaker
And I was like, oh, oh, I can't listen to this man's voice anymore. Okay. That's, that's a trigger for me. That's it. I'm triggered. That's so, uh, yeah, I just read the transcripts now. Yeah. That's what you gotta do. And he sounds like in my head, I read it. He sounds like Grover from Sesame Street. That's the only way I could get around. Kind of moves his head like Grover too. He just kind of like, you know, he's got like that, uh,
00:41:19
Speaker
His neck looked like someone's hand is like, you know what I mean? Like wrist is like working his head. All righty. I think we'll call that. We'll call that the game. No need to hack at this thing anymore. So with
NFC North Overview and Packers Insights
00:41:33
Speaker
that, we're going to move into a little segment we like to call around these parts. We like to call it the NFC North vibe check with Isaac Turgeon. How you feeling, Isaac?
00:41:52
Speaker
Um, all right. Uh, okay. So are we digging the restart with the Packers in here for this vibe check? Yeah, I guess that seems the way we're going. Coming up with the pack. I mean, I ended up taking the Packers just because, you know, coming into this game and how they'd been performing and, um, they seem to be clicking and really finding their rhythm and.
00:42:18
Speaker
going a bit, you know, up against Tampa, who I think has struggled a little bit and finding their identity as a team. Plus they've really got, they got hit with the injury bug as well. So, you know, I, I, I ended up going with the Packers. So I was, I was actually surprised by this one. I was like, not even in a fun way to me. I wasn't like, yeah, fuck the pack. No, I was more like confused. I was like, Oh,
00:42:45
Speaker
Oh, okay. I mean, this looks more like some of the games that were, where they weren't performing well. And, uh, I was like, well, how'd you feel about this game? Um, let me give you a quick start real quick. Right. Hit me with it. Is it the Matla floor one? No, this is just a stat. I was able to find, um, quarterbacks with a perfect passer rating in Lambo.
00:43:14
Speaker
We got Aaron Rodgers and we got Baker Mayfield. That's it. That's it for the history of Lambeau being in existence. That's wild. Yeah, for Baker Mayfield to come in and bitches like that is just a pure defensive scheme issue. I mean, you see safeties backed up 40 yards off at times. Like if the pass rush isn't doing heroic things, then
00:43:43
Speaker
The defense is just going to fall on its ass. And that's what it's been doing. I mean, it made Tommy DeVito look like fucking jail and hearts out there. Like two back to back weeks of shit. Are you trying to insinuate that Tommy DeVito is not. I think we need to put more respect on Tommy DeVito's name here. Scrub against an actual good defense going against Dennis Allen and like a good saints.
00:44:11
Speaker
Poached defense he looked like shit his his quarterback rating the last six games three point seven sixteen point three thirty one point six seven point one fourteen point four against the Packers eighty
00:44:34
Speaker
Is that still not even like great Good enough, but it's far. I think I've been with the DeVito since He was sitting on that he had that shit ready to go Since last week, right? In the last 14 quarters, we've forced seven ponds It's like
00:45:01
Speaker
three and a half games straight of seven punts. That's not great. Like, we're just not ending drives. We don't anything. Any third down that the opposing team has, I'm just like, it's a first down just fucking they're just walking into it at. At ease at this point, it's fucking ridiculous.
00:45:25
Speaker
And yeah, Matt LaFleur said today that Joe Berry is going to be the play caller for the rest of the year. So I mean, I don't know. Yeah, more of this to look forward to. I just. He was like, tough tits. Get used to it. We spent seven of the last eight first round picks on defensive players. We shouldn't be struggling this bad. We should be like a top 10 unit at least.
00:45:48
Speaker
So you're telling me it's a it's a coaching issue. It's a hundred percent. It's been a coaching issue Matt LeFlore can't hire And that's basically the one of us they'd be blaming Jordan love and be like Jordan loves just not good enough He just hasn't shown the improvement. He hasn't fucking Talk about I'm excited to talk about your love. You look good. I like he looked pretty solid the game. Um, I
00:46:18
Speaker
He's in a bad position. Yeah. Defense is what has been, I think defense lost him. Jordan Love went and won the game against the Giants and then defense just let Tommy DeVito do whatever he wanted in the last like minute and a half and win it. Like it's kind of the same thing with Aaron Rodgers early in his career. After Aaron Rodgers first year, the defensive coordinator also got fired.
00:46:44
Speaker
So, I mean, it's, he's not getting, it's not complimentary football and it's not helping, but yeah, for, uh, love, it's been, it was so fucking good in that like three, four week span, but the progress isn't going to be like that. It's going to be more.
00:47:04
Speaker
It's going to be up and down. Up and down. But the thing is, he's getting rid of more of the inaccuracies and more of the issues. The weeks against like the Lions and the Chiefs, he was fucking perfect. And the bad stuff is going to come back in in spurts. And that's what that's what it's been doing.
00:47:26
Speaker
Um, we haven't had a hundred yard receiver or rusher all year and we're still 11th in offense right now. So, I mean, he's just basically doing it with his arm at this point. Like it, he is the offense at this point and he's just finding ways to get it done. No matter who it is, no matter who's out there, he's keeping the offense efficient. And, uh, he's, he's delivered in crucial moments too. Like, especially with this one, we were down.
00:47:55
Speaker
before the defense just handed them everything. We were down 20 to 10 and we needed a long drive from him. And the coaches just basically put the game in his hands and was like, here, like, go get us a crucial touchdown. And he had, he went nine of 10 for 85 yards and a touchdown. So, I mean, he delivered and I think he probably had his craziest pass that he's had all year that touchdown to Jayden Reed on the right side of the end zone that
00:48:24
Speaker
And he did the same thing against the Giants and missed it. And then you see, you just see little incremental improvements, improvements in like the same things. He's just honing in on all the skills. And, um, that's what he's supposed to be doing. Right. And so that's gotta be like, exactly. Like it's nice to see like that the expectation and like what he should be doing actually take effect and actually be happening. So.
00:48:50
Speaker
I mean, even without a hundred yard receiver all game or all season, he's still on pace to throw for 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns. So, I mean, he's spreading it out to absolutely everybody and he's getting it done. And Tucker craft, the third round tight end we picked up has been showing insane improvements, especially in like just exploiting defenses with his routes and
00:49:20
Speaker
Making the his aggressive. I was watching. I was watching some of those. And I was like, this dude, he can move. He's not even our type. He's not even on top tight end. Once Luke Musgrave comes back, that duo is going to be fucking good. And I think it's going to be a lot of too tight end personnels out there. Just they're going to be able to do kind of what they want with his emergence as the number one right now. Yeah. Luke Musgrave's been out with that lacerated kidney. So.
00:49:47
Speaker
It's been all tucker craft hard to come back from Very quickly with that. Huh? Yeah. Yeah one bad hit is gonna Yeah, that up again. So just make it worse fucking craft almost ended up with a last rated testicle trying to jump over a defender I don't know if you saw that That shit was funny, bro Because he's trying to jump that he fucking took the shot and you saw him like grab and he's like, oh fuck We tried yeah, yeah anymore in the Packers
00:50:17
Speaker
That's definitely I mean that's gotta be so I mean that's scary for the rest of the NFC North but that's I mean it's gotta be exciting as a package fan senior quarterback just Continually improve and just keep chipping away at it and again continue. I just am continually impressed by his boys I think it's really impressive to me that he just yeah, that's the thing is he's been up He's been up against it since he got drafted basically. I mean and he hasn't said shit He's just been putting his head down and working and showing
00:50:41
Speaker
And I think that's what you absolutely need to do. But it's also nice that he has the support where he's at to do that. You know, and like like say, hey, we're just going to focus on this one thing. The thing is, the team on this next thing, the team is behind them. That's what they're invested in them.
00:50:58
Speaker
And that's just, that's something that as a Bears fan is just unheard of. Like no matter what, there's always like some type of fucking drama. Surrounding the quarterback or you think in general? I mean, in general, especially around, especially around the quarterback head coach, like relationship thing, you know, like they're just moments of like,
00:51:22
Speaker
You know, hey, there are a quarterback for now, or no comment. And, and, you know, again, and I think that's, that's the difference, right? Like we are not an organization that can fucking develop a quarterback. Like stop going out and pick up- Or even support ones.
00:51:42
Speaker
No, or provide support to an established one. You guys need Flacco. And like, because Flacco literally is like a duck. I mean, just like, he just lets that shit roll off his bag. Yeah. Just like whatever. He's here to fucking play. Well, I'm saying more of like just an established guy who's already. We do. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, something I've maintained since day one. Yeah. Yeah. As a Packers fan, it's frustrating to watch the defense.
00:52:11
Speaker
push these games away, but it's encouraging to see. Love improve and you know, make these ridiculous. I mean, the arm talent was the reason he was a high draft capital is because it's the arm talent at Utah state was insane. And you still see that every single game. Um, Jordan, love Mormon.
00:52:35
Speaker
I don't think so. No, a hundred percent. No, he didn't go to, he didn't go to BYU. He went to Utah state. Um, but yeah, I think for now the Packers have found their QB for the time being. And I think that's all they wanted out of this year. Yeah. For the, you know, it's just more of for the near future. Yeah. And it's more of just the offense being so young, just growing together and continuing to get better and
00:53:03
Speaker
Hopefully get a new defensive coordinator because we're not going anywhere with that fucker calling plays. Yeah. All right. Stein, you got anything else on the Packers? I do not. On the Packers. Bucks game. All right. So let's move on to the next one. What are you feeling, Isaac? You want to take the Lions? You want to take the Vikings here?
00:53:25
Speaker
I think I got more on the Lions than the Vikings, to be honest. Well, let's get the Vikings first. Yeah, let's get these guys out of the way then. Minnesota Vikings
Vikings and Lions Game Highlights
00:53:35
Speaker
went against the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday, and they lost 24 to 27 in overtime. Honestly, pretty impressive stats from both of these quarterbacks, both of these backup quarterbacks. And they were looking pretty good, I thought. What do you guys think?
00:53:55
Speaker
He looked better in the second half. Nick Mullins did. The first half, he wasn't capitalizing on his opportunities, but he got them out to a lead and then just bad game management by Kevin O'Connell and just bad execution in the fourth quarter. Just kind of let that lead slip away from him. But I mean,
00:54:16
Speaker
The big thing for the Vikings on this was Ty Chandler and his breakout game and just how good he was. I mean, it shows that the run scheme can work very well with an explosive running back, like Delvin Cook, which they had. And Madison is a good ground and pound guy, but it's more of a gap scheme running more than power. And that's what they got drafted. That's what the offensive lineman got drafted for.
00:54:45
Speaker
And so when you're trying to run a run scheme for a power guy, when you're not built for that, it's not going to work out as well. So they had an explosive running back, take Madison's place, those game with Madison being out. And he did fucking phenomenal. I think I feel like he should probably be.
00:55:09
Speaker
I think he'll definitely be sprinkled in more, but I feel like he should probably be the main back and just ride the hot hand and see. Yeah, see how it goes. See how far he goes.
00:55:20
Speaker
That's about it, to be honest. I mean, there's not a lot. It's a backup quarterback, so there's not a lot to take in. Yeah, that was kind of my thing was I was like, I mean, this has been the season of the backup. And so for me, I think my palate was kind of like, I need a cleanser. So you could watch a couple of starters instead. This is getting ridiculous. So.
00:55:44
Speaker
All right. Right on. I mean, that's all. Yeah, I don't have much either. Just there was some crazy plays. Like I said, I mean, from what I was watching, I was not expecting much from these backups. But I mean, I see a lot of people on Vikings Twitter calling for KFC's job and shit like that. But I'm like, dude, you're like 500 right now. Yeah. Or like seven and eight or whatever the fuck they are. Yeah. With backups. Yeah. With backups like your third string. And I think they were like,
00:56:12
Speaker
negative with Kirk Cousins. I mean, they were finding it out, but they finally started hitting it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, um, I think you just, it's just one of those shitty years that you just kind of have to wait out and just let the young guys play and just kind of get wraps and experience. Yeah. I mean, do you have a bunch of established guys, but you've got the young guys that you just want to get involved like Addison and.
00:56:39
Speaker
die Chandler like that and see what you got and see what you can, um, expect from them. Yeah. Expect from them next year. For sure. For sure. They can't do anything else, but go back to cousins. I mean, that's their best bet right now. They're a win now team. I think, I think, cause I mean, who else is going to give them that opportunity to win now? Other than cousins who's already established in that system. It's not like there's any like,
00:57:07
Speaker
Crazy quarterbacks on the market that are running around. Yeah. So, I mean, Aaron Rodgers, maybe. Fulfill the prophecy. Aaron Rodgers on that team would probably. He would lock that shit up pretty easily. Yeah. Immediately, all of a sudden, the north can't be touched again. And you're like, damn it. Like just.
00:57:30
Speaker
Yeah, he just takes that shit back. All right, well, I think that'll do it for the Vikings versus the Bengals. So we'll move on to the Detroit Lions versus the Denver Broncos. Lions put it on the Broncos. They won 42-17.
00:57:50
Speaker
I mean, well, their offensive line was fully healthy again. And I mean, it was obvious. I think that was really, you could really tell that they were all back and firing on all cylinders. They completely control the country, the trenches. Oh yeah. The entire time. Yeah. They, you, you win that front line on both sides of the ball and it was. Lights out. They were fine. They looked like they did, you know, a few games back. So, you know, they looked better. They looked.
00:58:17
Speaker
like they're back on track again. So, um, yeah, I, I, I still anticipate them to win the North. I still expect them to, I think that they will have a halfway decent show out in the playoffs this year, if, if they can maintain their health for these last few games. So, um, all depends on who they match up with. If they get the Rams, I think they're toast.
00:58:41
Speaker
I think I think Stafford is gonna cook that fucking defense Stafford's been on so good this year so far I think an experienced team like the Rams their offense can exploit them Cuz I think they could yeah, I think I think the thing that that the Lions have I think I would take the Lions defense though and now I think Stafford will do damage to them but I
00:59:10
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. They have Minnesota right now and they would handle Minnesota. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I just, yeah, I, I think the Rams will take that six seed. And if the Rams go to Detroit Stafford going back to Detroit, that's a storyline. It's like, Oh, a hundred percent. And just being like,
00:59:36
Speaker
you have fucked up now. That would be great. That would be nuts, actually. That's the thing is, I don't think Detroit's defense is good enough yet to be consistent. You've seen the issues. If they're not getting the complimentary football, then
00:59:53
Speaker
And I mean, they had they had a good showing, obviously, their secondary depth stepped up and made plays like you fought to Milfon will fucking had the game of his life. I mean, he had like eight tackles, tackle for loss, all that shit. And I just don't know if shit like that is going to it's hard to consistent. Yeah, it's hard to bet on that.
01:00:14
Speaker
Um, but as far as the line's offense, I mean, Sam Laporta continues to be fucking insane. Just continues to Iowa tight end pipeline that shows. Um, yeah, if you need a tight end, just draft. Corn fed. One thing that was pretty interesting was they got Jameson Williams.
01:00:39
Speaker
good looks early on, which doesn't usually happen. He's usually just a deep threat guy, but they're using them more horizontally, which is opening up more stuff, which if they can add that wrinkle to the offense, I think that'll be interesting. But yeah, other than that, I mean, they just like I should done. They went back to their bread and butter and got it done. They definitely seem like a return to form. They just got after it earlier. They were able to give Jared Goff some time and stuff and.
01:01:05
Speaker
So you mean they hit the gas pedal early and they kept the foot on the gas pedal. Kept the pressure on. And when things were working, they kept doing what was working. And they didn't let up. And then they won. They didn't let up. And then they got a W, which is...
01:01:24
Speaker
Must be nice. Yeah. Weird concept. I feel like I've never heard of anyone doing that before. I would love to see that. Interesting. I wonder if other teams around the country are going to start doing that. I mean, it's something that, yeah, they should start picking it up, you know? Seems like it might work. I think you could.
01:01:45
Speaker
I think it could. I think we're on the, we're, we might be able to witness a real shakeup here in the NFL, you know, with that strategy. All right. Was the Vikings first hundred yard rusher since week 10 of last year? That's fucking wild. That's just fucking wild. Like.
01:02:05
Speaker
especially like the last 20 years, they've consistently had like a good running back. So it's just weird to like, that's a weird stat for them. I think they got off that Delvin Cook train just in time though, because he is not been good.
01:02:23
Speaker
I also don't think he really fits in that system. I don't know. I don't know. In my mind, I was like, I mean, I don't know what the contract was. Maybe the pay was just right or something. And he was like, that's what it was. It was just, but it's just not there. I was very, I was very weird. I never did.
01:02:51
Speaker
Anywho, for sure, for sure.
Bears vs. Cardinals Game Preview
01:02:53
Speaker
Week 16. With that, we move into the week 16 preview. Where are the Chicago Bears? We'll go against the Arizona Cardinals. Should be a fun game. The Bears are four and a half point favorites. Yeah, I saw that. I think it should be a fun ass game. I like the Cardinals. They're kind of like wild cards right now. The Cardinals and Bears have been playing each other since 1920.
01:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, the first two teams that like ever, right? They both were in Chicago at the time. They've played each other 92 times. Wow. Bears lead the all time series 57, 29 and six. The road team has won the last six match ups.
01:03:35
Speaker
between the two. And the Cardinals have won the last three straight meetings, have won three straight meetings in Chicago. So their last one was back in 2021. And I will say, Fields has not faced the Cardinals yet. The last time that we played, he was injured. So it'll be a first for him.
01:03:55
Speaker
Uh, one of the Cardinals right now, since Murray has come back there, two and three, I think since he got back from IR. Two and three, yeah. Losses come into the Texans, the Rams, and the 49ers. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, honestly, all of which I would've anticipated. Makes sense. Yeah, that all makes sense. Absolutely. Especially with what the Texans were doing at the time, like that just...
01:04:21
Speaker
So I think it should be a good game. Even if the Bears are struggling, I think it should be a good game. Because even if the Bears are struggling when the Bears struggle, it's not the defensive struggles.
01:04:36
Speaker
Trey McBride has been on a fucking tear. They're tight end. He's been so fucking good. And he's been getting the passing work. He's been getting like a bulk of the passes. Oh, yeah. No, I think those those short those short mid range passes and the checkdowns and stuff have really been working out, especially for I think I think that's something that's been really helpful to getting married back on the flow of things to, you know, being on the field again and just kind of like having a reliable guy like exactly. It's allowing him to
01:05:03
Speaker
Like he needs to get more reps in a game live game situation of working through a progression. There have been some there's plenty of film, you know, from from his games back that he's he's missing a couple of open people here and there, but he's hitting.
01:05:20
Speaker
He's hitting that tight end, you know, so like so at least he's still making completions and he's still progressing down the field as opposed to like throwing it away or taking the sack or some shit like that. So or we're turning the ball over. So again, it's more like just get him back in the routine of things, get him back in the rep. And I think eventually you're going to start seeing some more of those downfield passes coming again. And also, they just don't have the receiving personnel right now. They don't.
01:05:48
Speaker
Yeah. And so I think that it's, I think it's honestly like a best case scenario for him as far as like coming back from the type of injury that he did to get him confidence built back up and to get him back into, I'm going to work through the progression knowing I can go right to the tight end when I need to, you know, like, Hey, Azar, it's going to be there.
01:06:08
Speaker
With that, I think that, you know, that's going to be a good workout for the Bears Midfield. The over under is 44 and a half. Really seems high. I'm going to take the under on that. Like just from even if
01:06:28
Speaker
I would go, I think 40 and a half would be my highest. So. I would still go under probably. And I would still take advantage. That's just it. Because I think a good chunk. Now, here's the issue is that.
01:06:42
Speaker
We don't know which bears offense we're going to get. Yeah. And we've been struggling to score a lot of. We're all of a sudden like we're out there putting up 27, 35, 40 points, you know, fucking or we're struggling to put up nine. Yeah. I don't know what direction. Yeah. And there's no in between. It's just one of the other. Yeah. And I don't think our defense is going to break here against against the Cardinals.
01:07:09
Speaker
I think the defense is going to, uh, I think that they should hold up as far as like continue to apply pressure. I think, um, it's a, it's a young struggling team. Um, you know, I think if on the defensive side of the ball, we stay aggressive, we keep going after it and keep creating opportunity for the secondary. Um,
01:07:26
Speaker
But again, if the, yeah, if the throws aren't going to the secondary area, though, you know, that might be an issue with the midfield passes are just enough to keep chunking it away and control the game clock. And so I feel like this literally could go either way at this point. That sounds like this should be an interesting ass game. Yeah. Especially just dealing with watch one team get blown out. Either one.
01:07:54
Speaker
Well, I think this is the first time you guys have really played with like played against like a super slippery quarterback like that who can evade pressure and the long game plays like the play that way. And he might be like the fastest quarterback there is like those fucking these guys such quick feet. It's insane. And you guys are relying on pressure like a lot. The last I think the last one would have been.
01:08:19
Speaker
Well, we played my homes. He's not like I wouldn't say slippery. He extends, but he does. Yeah. But was when we played the Ravens, but wasn't that. I wasn't this year. That's what I mean, like it's been. And so this defense and this this defensive scheme and this structure has not done that. So to go against the quarterback where that's like their goal, but it's like a huge part of their of their toolkit. Not not something that they will. However, flip side.
01:08:50
Speaker
It would be interesting to see if some of them have had any work against fields of practice. So that might give them a little taste of it as far, you know what I mean? So, um, but yeah, they definitely are going to have to, I think that this is going to come down to not, it's not just how it's instinct, like.
01:09:08
Speaker
That's something Murray's good at. He's got these instincts that cannot be taught. I would argue that some of the defenders have have that as well, like that they are. You're seeing more instinctual. That was my issue in the early part of the season. Remember, was that they were not playing instinctually. They were playing reactively. They were they were letting plays happen. They were letting completions happen before making contact, before making a move, before making a decision. Whereas now. They've really evolved into that, like more.
01:09:36
Speaker
I don't want to say aggression because it's not that they're being more aggressive as much as that they're trusting their instincts in conjunction and within the facility of what the defensive scheme is, if that makes sense.
01:09:54
Speaker
I think, too, I think it's a big part of it, just kind of like how you were mentioning earlier with the addition of sweat and with us actually like our front fore actually being able to start getting some pressure. I think, too, like it's alleviated like the linebackers in the secondary. They don't have to. I think before they had to worry about like, OK, I can't get too crazy because I have to contain in case something breaks through here, in case something happens. They're
Bears' Defensive Improvements
01:10:14
Speaker
playing conservative. Yes, they're playing conservatively, which was leading them to be reactive and be like, OK,
01:10:19
Speaker
I have no choice but to let this guy like to let this play happen to me, because if if I let something if I try to jump this or if I try to get ahead of this, I'm the last line of defense. And if they get past me, we're fucked. And I think that has changed. And I also think especially this last game, I think if our linebackers can play this game, like how they did last game, I think you were mentioning, you know, having maybe having some trouble in the middle. I think if they again, if we can keep the play like we did last game, I think that won't be so much of an issue. But we'll we'll see.
01:10:48
Speaker
I think defenders have been able to look more, uh, read quarterbacks more and less have to keep eyes on hips, um, of the receivers because of the ability, like, because there's more pressure now, like balls are getting out quicker. So, you know, they're, they're able to like take that, that half second to like glance at the QB and watch the eyes, you know, and, and, and, and I think you've seen that like over the last few weeks, look at the takeaways we've had in the last four or five weeks now. I mean, we had more in the last
01:11:19
Speaker
some of them are like no one is there looks like it's wide open and all yeah dude and that's what's been so great they've been ball hawking it like they've truly unlike sure yeah I mean it looks like a Chicago defense yeah I'm going to give credit more like a Chicago defense that way yeah I think especially last week too a few of them were like that where they were letting oh to do that against a veteran
01:11:41
Speaker
a seasoned veteran, Joe Flacco, you know, to do that where you make him feel, okay, I'm going to make him feel comfortable like he can throw in here, kind of hide a little bit and then just jump in and snag that. Like, it was great to see. So yeah, hopefully we can keep that up.
01:11:56
Speaker
Yeah. And then I would argue that some of those throws too were not bad throws. No. It's not like they were off off target. Yeah. Like he bobbled the ball and threw it wrong. Yeah. No, some of them were good. Like he was his receivers dropped a couple, I think a couple of balls because just cause it hit them so hard in the chest. I think they weren't ready for it. You know, like, um,
01:12:22
Speaker
Yeah, it'll be a fun game. It'll be a fun game. Yeah, at the very least, I'm excited to watch this defense now. I think it's fun to watch them play. All right. Oh,
Podcast Schedule and Personal Updates
01:12:33
Speaker
shit. Hey, our next episode, well, fuck it. It's Christmas Day. I assume we're not recording that day, right? I would think that. I do have children. So, yeah.
01:12:45
Speaker
if you tried to get me to I guarantee you would be getting like you'd be getting like like pictures from Rachel or her just going like oh yeah just death stare yeah no no we won't be recording that day uh i mean i haven't really should we let's take a look at the schedule here yeah so i mean we'll probably just do it later in that week
01:13:06
Speaker
I think we can just talk about this later at some point and figure it out. But I did. I just wanted to say to like, you know, listeners and stuff like help me. Yeah. Happy holidays and all that. Of course. You celebrated where you don't like just enjoy it. Hit you with the happy holidays. We're going to be on a weird. I think our weird schedule is going to continue. But that's because I mean, like you're like you're saying we all have lives and stuff. So. And it's that time of year with like travel. Yeah. 100 percent.
01:13:35
Speaker
Um, so yeah, I think that's safe to say that we're, we're done with the recap here and we're moving on to this last chunk of the podcast where I asked Stein, Stein, what have you got for the people? Yo, just be sure to check out other podcasts, chick flicks with dicks. Um, getting ready to drop an episode that we recorded so long ago that I just have not gotten edited. Man, trying to get a business up and running takes so much fucking time. So yeah, that's literally where my time has gone. So, um, but we are getting ready to start recording again.
01:14:05
Speaker
For the next season, some new episodes will be dropping, um, later in 2024. So, uh, get caught up. We got a bunch of good ones out there. Check flicks with dicks and find us on any podcast streaming platform. Um, and if you can't find it, hit me up and I will make sure that we get on there. For sure. For sure. All right. Isaac, what have you got for the people?
01:14:29
Speaker
Instagram, E-Y-E-Z-E-C-K. Just had a single drop that I produced last Tuesday. Doing numbers right now. Doing numbers. So yeah, I just keep all my production updated on there. Very, very cool. You can follow me at O-H-M-A-R, Daniel, on Instagram. I keep everything updated there. I have a new album out. Go listen to it. It is on Spotify and Apple and where we find music.
01:14:57
Speaker
under my regular name, Omar Daniel, no H. If you want to follow the podcast, you can follow at the bear claw pot on tick.com Instagram. If you would like to send us an email, send an email to bear claw pot, contact at gmail.com. You know, whatever you want to tell us, you know, critiques or anything, whatever, how you, if you just want to vent about this season,
01:15:18
Speaker
I think every Bears fan could use that.
Community Engagement and Holiday Wishes
01:15:22
Speaker
A little vent session. It's a safe space. It's a safe space for you. Safe space. Shit, you want advice on just life stuff. You know, it doesn't even have to be football related. Fuck it. Send it to us. For sure. We'll take a glance. Yeah. 100%. Give it a shot. Thank you for listening. Please rate and review. Share with your friends. We appreciate it. Yeah, again, just thank you for listening. We love
01:15:46
Speaker
We've had fun doing this. Hopefully you've had fun hanging out with us. Again, like we mentioned earlier, it's going to be on a weird schedule next week, but we should have an episode out next week. You guys will get a twofer, because like I mentioned at the beginning, I didn't get a chance to post last week's. So get a twofer this week. Hopefully that'll make up for the weird schedule next week.
01:16:05
Speaker
Until then, happy holidays. Enjoy your time with your family, whether that be blood or family that you have assembled. That's such a good term, assemble. I feel like the Avengers.
01:16:23
Speaker
And you know what, honestly, sometimes that's the strength you need to take on the holidays. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, just have fun. Enjoy. Enjoy the company. Hopefully you have people that you can enjoy being around and celebrating just having in your life and stuff. Uh, yeah, just thank you. Um, hopefully we'll have a good game to watch and we'll catch you after till then. Just fucking chin up and bear down. Deuces.