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Episode 15: The Chicago Bears vs The Detroit Lions
20 Plays1 year ago
Another loss for the Chicago Bears, this time at Ford Field against the Detroit Lions. This week the boys break it down and then go into the usual: an NFC North vibe check, and a preview of the upcoming game. Give it a listen! Chin up and Bear Down.
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New Andre 3000 Album: A Musical Shift?
00:00:00
Speaker
One. So, how about that Andre 3000 album? Oh, I haven't had a chance. I haven't had a chance. Did you listen to it? I have not had a chance. It's on my playlist and I'm like, I know I have to do it. Just like out of respect. I have for sure. Yeah. You've got to give him a little bit. Well, and as an artist, like, yeah, I, but you know, it's, he's 45 fucking years old. Like I get it, you know, I'm also like,
00:00:22
Speaker
But that's not what we were hoping. Yeah, that's not what we've been waiting for. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm not in a hurry to get to it. It'll be there, you know. And I think that's the vibe. That's the whole vibe of it, too, is like, hey, guys, I'm giving you this, like, it'll be here, which is which is fine. Yeah. Again, from an artistry perspective, like I love to see them evolve and I love to see them like dabble and they have the platform right to like to to do that. I think more high level artists should do that shit.
00:00:52
Speaker
Instead of forcing other stuff. Well, yeah. And obviously contractual obligations and shit, but like being able to like go out there and try new things and, and like show people like this is the only way you truly grow and truly learn. But.
00:01:08
Speaker
Yeah. There is still like a, come on, man. We've also waited. Give us what we want. Yeah. Couldn't even do like a song. Yeah. You know, like a bar. Fuck dude. Give me a solid 16. Yeah. We're good to go.
00:01:24
Speaker
You know, I'm good for another 20 years. All right. Yeah. Anyways. Anyways. Just thought I'd
The Bears' Emotional Rollercoaster: Hope or Despair?
00:01:32
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throw that monkey right here. Right at the beginning. Well, as we welcome you in to the Bear Claw podcast, I am your host, Omar Delgado. With me is always Zachary Stein and also known as Stein and Isaac Turjan, Packers fan extraordinaire.
00:01:50
Speaker
I would like to not apologize, but give a little just heads up in advance. We are a couple of sick and tired boys. I am getting over cold. Stein has a very busy life and is, uh, dude, I mean, he's just tired. It happens. I am emotionally drained from life and for fucking bears. Bears fan. Yeah. Well, the bears lost to the lions. Wow.
00:02:19
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if you were in this podcast and are living under a rock.
00:02:26
Speaker
Yeah, the Bears dropped the very disappointing loss. They somehow managed, even in a season like this, to get your hopes way up, get you feeling really good, and then just cut you down at the knees. Did you feel good during this game? I was having fun. I was having fun during it. I was having so much fun, dude. It wasn't a big case of you also like, just wait for it. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Yeah, I think a little bit was hesitant.
00:02:51
Speaker
I think, uh, I didn't really start thinking that way until like there's, you definitely feel the shift and you felt the shift in this one where like play little places, like things here and there start happening. You're like, here we go. Like this is, uh, yeah. And then, and you're still kind of hoping like, all right, you know, they can still like pull this out. Like they can still like, you know, not fuck this up. Like, you know, whatever. And it's just like shit keeps going south and you're like, ah, here we are again. So.
00:03:22
Speaker
I tried to, when I was having fun, I tried to be in the moment and have fun with it. Cause I was like, we're not going to get a lot of this. So I'll enjoy it while I can. And then down the shitter it went. Uh, no updates this week. Pretty much everyone's healthy. I don't think there's any major injuries. I don't think there's any major injuries from the last game.
Bears' Leadership Woes: Coaching and Mindset Issues
00:03:39
Speaker
No big moves happening. No real news. Yeah. I think we had like some, uh, someone signed someone off our practice squad, but very like inconsequential, like nothing. So no big bears news. Uh,
00:03:52
Speaker
So I think with that, uh, let's just fucking dig right into it, man. The, as I mentioned before, the bears lost. Uh, how are you, how are you feeling? Are we doing general vibe? How am I feeling? Yeah. Honestly, you should always be honest. It's just.
00:04:24
Speaker
Yep. We've found a way to bear down. You like the term bear down. It means something else in another way. And this is it. It is literally finding a way to just trip over your own fucking feet to shoot yourself in the foot. Yeah. Just find a way to fuck it. Yeah. My initial, when I was thinking about, uh, recording the pod and stuff,
00:04:53
Speaker
I was thinking like, uh, this sucks. This season sucks. This loss sucks. It was not, it was not fun losing like this, but I wanted to try and bring some sort of positive energy and like have fun with it a little bit. And then I started, I, I, I pulled up the highlight just to give myself a little mental recap. And as soon as I pulled it up, I just got this knot in my stomach that has not gone away. Cause I was just like this dude, the vibe is shot. Like the vibes are shot and it's so hard to have any like, uh,
00:05:22
Speaker
It's hard to even enjoy the things, the good positives that we did have, because we did have them. But it's hard to really enjoy them. The vibes are shot. That's a good way of putting it. The vibes are shot. I couldn't even. OK, I would say that this loss is worse than the Broncos loss to me. But it also I don't know if I'm just in like this state of
00:05:49
Speaker
Oh, you know, what is that where you start to like, uh, uh, like identify with the person that has kidnapped you? Prisoner in their basement and you're, you're just like buying into it for survival. It's like a mental survival thing. That's kind of what happened here with me to the point where I couldn't be as pissed off or as like upset, you know, and I will say, I think a piece of that also has to do with the fact that
00:06:18
Speaker
that it's because the play calling in this was obviously better than the one against Denver for three quarters for three quarters. But there were still plenty of Stockholm syndrome is what it's called. That's it. Thank you. Yeah, I was going. I don't know why. The only thing that would go in my mind was Asperger's and I'm like, that's not it. That's not it. Yeah.
00:06:45
Speaker
But yeah, that that's where I was at. It was just kind of like this one worse to me because I'm like, we showed out against arguably one of the best teams, a top five team in the NFL, in the NFL. Yeah. And absolutely in the NFC and definitely top five in the NFC just like could not finish, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It was an unexpected positives that came out of this.
00:07:14
Speaker
but, um, extremely expected negatives that I think that's it is like, I was more surprised by the ceiling than it was the floor. No, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah, that's just tough, dude. When you come out against the team and truly like punch them in the mouth, that was the thing. Like we really just fucking control the game.
00:07:39
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in a way that I did not expect offensive line look great. The defense was was really having a hell of a day. But, you know, just three interceptions on Jared Goff. Yeah. On Jared Goff has had a solid season, you know, but this is the we were talking about this. This is this is the difference. He threw three picks. And yet, in fact, he had a streak going of most completions without a pick.
00:08:08
Speaker
Uh, and then he threw two within four attempts or no, most attempts without picks. And then he threw two within four attempts, which is just wild. Um, and then had his third one. And yet that coaching staff and that team still came out and supported him. And you could tell his confidence was not shook.
00:08:32
Speaker
Like they truly looked at it as bad play. We have another one to go. Like they were looking at this as little micro battles, every single play. And they modified and adjusted as they needed to. And they
Tom Brady's Critique: Are NFL Coaches Mediocre?
00:08:46
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were able to pull it off and not just pull it off. They were able to truly execute across the board. They were having issues here.
00:08:55
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They solve that issue. They have issues over here. They're solving that issue. And it's like, oh, so that's what it looks like when a team unites and fully is supporting their quarterback and the role players and the coach. Truly, truly not in the fucking.
00:09:10
Speaker
Uh, media room after the fact, or on the way through the tunnel, you know, uh, heading into halftime, uh, you know, says the lines of, you know, they're my quarterback, blah, blah, blah. No, like you can see the interactions on the sidelines. You can see. Like they truly are all in on everybody that's on that team. What the fuck is that like?
00:09:34
Speaker
What the fuck man we can that like? I mean, you talk about the media. It's not even happening in the media room anymore. He's not saying the lines in the media room anymore. He's fully like fully and now consistently throwing Justin Fields and everyone on this team under the bus. When and I think that that's what I kind of want to get into. Right. Like is is more that has been my issue over and over is the leadership piece. Yeah. We we were beating. We were winning. We like significantly. We convincingly how our
00:10:04
Speaker
Our coaching staff found a way to become the first team to lose in regulation with three plus turnovers and 40 plus minutes in time of possession. We had over 40 minutes time of possession in that fucking game. Detroit had 19. 19.
00:10:21
Speaker
All other teams prior to that, 48 and 0. Yeah, it's not like it's a 5 and 0, or even a 10 and 0. It is 40 and 0. It's up there. It's almost 50-0. It's 40 and 0. We need a win. The Bears get to be the and 1 now. Yeah.
00:10:40
Speaker
And it's like that don't tell me anymore that the players don't know how to win games bullshit It's that that's my issue Let's go through a little bit on on the positives from the players like let's look at the offense Focusing on fields, right? This is his first game back. It's great to see him out on the field again Yeah, this is where that the whole season was supposed to be an evaluation. Is he the future for the Bears or not?
00:11:03
Speaker
We all know flus was not the one to pick him. Like we all know the coaches, blah, blah, blah. Like that story is done. But this was supposed to be an evaluation. Uh, missing four games sucks, you know, when it's an evaluation here. Yeah. Like he came out and he went 16 to 23 for 169 yards and one Tony. So he only had seven in completions. Mm-hmm.
00:11:28
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18 carries for 104 yards. Fucking wild. And some of those are actually on design place this time. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, DJ Moore was able to come out there, seven catches, 96 yards and the tutting, you know, like he for real, he was out there gunning it, man. DJ Moore has got a fucking dog in him that has no quit. Like he really, there was that one play that really stuck out. And I'm sure you saw that where he gets, he gets hit.
00:11:54
Speaker
Like probably, you know, with a two yard gain on a first intent or something. And he just fucking fights and gets the first down. Yeah, dude.
00:12:02
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I had a good one like that too. Oh my gosh, dude. I was ready to run through the fucking wall. We're watching these guys, like the effort that these guys are putting through. It was so awesome. It was so great. Like so fucking and something that I feel like is not recently, you know, been that. But I don't know, just felt bears football, just like grit. Like, fuck you. I am running this ball past the fucking chains. It was great to see everybody doing that. Right. Like Field had one where like.
00:12:28
Speaker
There was not a lot of lateral motion on some of those big plays right where like that one more gets hit. It should have been a two yard gain any turns it into an eleven yard game like commit.
00:12:41
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I think it should have been a three or four yard gain and he ends up with another first down. You know, having Herbert back and out there, he was doing the same thing. You know, Deante Forman before he left the injury, he had a really good one.
00:13:00
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uh russian johnson had a really good like they were all just lowering that shoulder and they were making contact and just fucking driving through they were not letting contact stop the feet were moving there was a fire and a passion out of those players that i feel like has been missing um And that was fun. It was so much fun to watch. Yeah, you know that that piece of me was just waiting for that Yeah, it was like yeah, no they're showing out for sure um, and then
00:13:28
Speaker
And just wait for it though. Yeah, but you could tell fields was out there fighting for it every play He was fighting for it. I don't feel like he gave up on any plane necessary. No How did you feel with him out there? I felt great man. I was I mean just why even just from that first drive
00:13:44
Speaker
because I did not expect much and for them to come out and fucking again just punch Detroit in the mouth on the first drive on the first drive on the first drive on the first drive and I was like holy shit like first three plays he's like that is what he's doing he's like he's like I'm fine you know that is the message he's trying to deliver and watching him it was great because he was decisive
00:14:06
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Granted, there were some there's some plays where, you know, maybe he could have stuck in the pocket a little more, made a made a deeper pass or whatever. But I didn't care. It was like he took off and run and got and got gains. And at least he was making decisions. That's that's the thing. The hesitation wasn't as bad. We had discussed a little bit. You know, there were a few a few plays I felt he could have gotten through the reads a little quicker. But but holistically, when you look at at like.
00:14:29
Speaker
him as in general, I think he's had, it was a much better, he was much better in this one. So progress is progress, right? Now, if we could get it to where that's less and less, even further, let's continue making that progress. But yeah, he was decisive. He was getting the ball out a little bit quicker here and there. He was also extending plays with his legs
Bears' Defense: Strong Players, Weak Leadership
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and trying to let
00:14:52
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the receivers get to places. Letting things develop. Exactly. And then from there, he was keeping his eyes downfield, but his presence seemed to be a little bit better as far as pulling the trigger and going, fuck it, I'm going to get the three yards. I'm going to get the four yards. I'm not going to throw it away if I don't have to. I'm not going to lose sight of what's going on and end up getting pegged down behind the line.
00:15:19
Speaker
All in all, I thought, I thought he had a good, a good game. I do not expect to see 300 yard passing games from Justin Fields. I expect to see if he's going to have 18 carries. I expect him to be in the one 50 to 200 mark.
00:15:35
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with the carries being probably like 70 to 100 yards is what my anticipation would be, right? Now, if he's not running the ball a whole lot, then yeah, I'd expect to see him in like the 225 to 275 range. So for me, it's only 169 yards, but hey, he didn't turn the ball over. Well, not with no interceptions. Yeah, no interceptions. Didn't throw picks. He didn't, you know, we'll get to the one turnover. Yeah.
00:16:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think I just saw things I saw the things that have made me like fields I saw them again and had been a while since I'd seen them Consistently and I don't know everything that I saw on him that was like not great were things that I just think you can coach I just think that you can coach him up on I think there are things that you can fix I don't know
00:16:22
Speaker
I think you could tell that the hand was bothering him every now and then. That's not 100 percent. Like on a couple of those throws, you could tell that it got away from him like the overthrow to more, you know, he DJ more had it and it was a tuddy for sure. And and just just overthrew him. And I mean, more dusted that defender as he does. He fucking had it, man. And it was it was just just too too far. And you could I think that had less to do with
00:16:53
Speaker
Because we've seen Fields make that play plenty of times. I think you could tell that he thought the touch on the ball was good until it started getting closer. And he was like, fuck. And then there were a couple where I think he had a little wobble. And it wasn't that it got tipped. You could tell the thumb wasn't gripping properly to help keep that spiral. And so the pointer finger was pressing a little bit more.
00:17:23
Speaker
It happens. Yeah. I mean, all in all, I thought he looked good. I thought he looked good. I think if you watch it, it hasn't been a lot, but it's been enough, I think. But if you watch this game and you're thinking that Justin Fields is a problem or you're already starting, you're still musing about, you know, how we need to use our first pick on a quarterback, I think from this game specifically, if that's your takeaway, I think that's a little ignorant.
00:17:44
Speaker
He played above average and not just that he's dynamic, right? He gives us the opportunity to use his legs to spread the field. I mean, he had the Lions defense was trying to figure stuff out because, you know, that there's just that extra factor with him. Yeah. With the majority. Yeah. And those are not coachable and like his instinct and his ability to do that is not a coachable skill. Yeah. That's why they have that pick up. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:08
Speaker
Otherwise everybody would have a Michael Vick That's just not not the thing. Yeah Going on again on like other positives that defense fucking holy shit, dude That is the one biggest surprise from this. Yeah for me was
00:18:25
Speaker
how well they stepped up. Stevenson, Stevenson is he was all over. He's dude, I always it was so much fun watching a man and he's just watching this young guy come in and getting an interception causing that he was the one that caused that fumble on the part return, right? Just him getting those and it was great to watch man. He's electric.
00:18:44
Speaker
You know, I had comments, I think in week four or five about Edmonds and Edwards about how like they are good at what they do, but they are not necessarily like playmakers. You know, that was my issue. I'm like, oh, we're paying them to be playmakers. Yeah. You know, they've they've been so reactionary as opposed to like, just jump it and read the fucking play and take a risk. And they both had an interception. Yeah. I'm like, they heard you. This is it. You know, and I think that that
00:19:15
Speaker
In the you know, we heard through camp like they're so excited because this defense is filled with dogs Like we're just excited to have everybody on the field together. Finally. Yeah, but then again, you know We sort of got hit with that that random thing of okay, but then your defensive coordinators gone after a week, too Yeah, and you know what's happening. Yeah, it wasn't like official until week four that okay Yeah, Eberfluis is going to be officially called the full plate calling, you know and and so then
00:19:41
Speaker
you're like fuck now we have to relearn like because you know that defense is not going to be exactly the same right as the original coordinates going to be similar but it's you know yeah so um it and hey here we are four weeks later five weeks later and it's like okay yeah that's
00:19:59
Speaker
And they had been, you know, even even coming into this game.
Eberflus and Accountability: What's Missing in Coaching?
00:20:02
Speaker
So, yeah, your boy Sanborn got his first sack of the season. Loved it, dude. I was getting so excited. Yeah. Fucking rock hard watching that. I love that guy. You know, the offensive line did a great job. The line did a great job. There was pressure created. There was just I think the our ability to to pressure Jared Goff and then kind of cloud his vision up.
00:20:26
Speaker
or even just trick him a little bit. I think on one of those interceptions, it was very much like, well, one of the linebackers kind of sitting and letting Jared Goff feel comfortable throwing to one of his receivers and then jumping that. I think our ability to do that, I was not expecting us to do that, this game and stuff, and be able to do that successfully, but I think we did. Consistently and successfully, yeah. And it was awesome. So that's, with all of that, that's what brings me to my issue with the leadership.
00:20:54
Speaker
Right. That's what brings me to my issue. This is where, you know, through three quarters, we are just rocking it, rocking it and smacking around one of the best teams in the league. Yeah.
00:21:10
Speaker
And having in their home field. Yeah, we was loud as fuck there, dude. It was so loud. Yeah. Like even the reporters, you could tell like the sidelines like trying to listen to them. I was like, Holy shit, it's loud as shit there. Yeah. But, you know, my my issue, let's just go through all that. And Iberfluis in the in the media piece, you know, when he's asked about some of this,
00:21:36
Speaker
So he continues to blame player execution. Right. But the the whole idea that like, well, we just need to be able to take accountability and have responsibility and we need to execute that. We need to execute. We need to execute. And it's like, bitch, they were executing the whole. What more do you want? Like.
00:21:54
Speaker
Until they weren't. And what's the thing that changed? Yeah. Play call, play calling is what changed. And yet he doesn't seem to see any issues with play calling. So he is a hundred percent like backing the play calling. No matter what, no matter what, this is on the players. They need to execute the play. That's called like that. Like when they were, when he was asked about what he could learn from this lines game.
00:22:22
Speaker
what he could do better. And he was bringing up the end of the first half of the Saints game and the end of the Panthers game. I'm like, what are you doing? That's not the question that was really.
00:22:34
Speaker
Like I don't, what can you learn to better? Well, look at what I already did really good. I did good in one half of game that we ended up losing. And then I did really good. Not even, like I did okay. I squirted it. I squeezed out a win against the Eddie team. Like what's your fucking it? This guy, I don't know. I don't know, man. This guy's delusional. Well, and then his whole thing was this is supposed to be an evaluation of fields at this moment. This is what we're supposed to be working towards.
00:23:01
Speaker
And asked like, how can you evaluate him if you're not letting him throw the ball in key situations? Yeah, that reporter pressed him on it. And and thank God, I am so glad that some of these reporters are like fucking holding his feet to the fire. They are tired of of the bullshit answers that he's given. And they're tired of him like just and yet he's still he sticks to it through him under the bus. He said he had more open
00:23:26
Speaker
one time and overthrew him and we need to execute in those moments and take accountability and responsibility. I'm like, you have got to be sure. Yeah. And so with that, I don't know if you've seen it, but I think you should go and find the clip of Isaac and I were talking earlier of Brady.
00:23:47
Speaker
was on, um, fuck, what was it? Not first take, uh, the Stephen A. Smith show. Thank you. Stephen A. Smith show. Is that what it's called? Yeah. And he was asked. It's his own separate show. Right. Like his podcast. Yeah. He was, he was asked about, you know, like things going on with the NFL right now. And Brady had a great piece where he, his response was, I think that the NFL is filled with a lot of mediocrity right now.
00:24:12
Speaker
The lead is filled with a lot of mediocrity. Then when he was pressed on that as to why that is, he said, it's the coaching. The coaching just is not as good as it is what it was.
00:24:26
Speaker
I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's NFL. I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past. Why not? And hope, why not? I think the coaching isn't as good as it was. I don't think the development of young players is as good as it was. The rules have allowed a lot of bad habits to get into the actual performance of the game. So I just think the product in my opinion is less than what it's been, I think. And that's where I'm like from, I was like,
00:24:53
Speaker
It's nice because I feel like we've been saying something similar throughout the season and like have that validation from Brady, arguably one of the greatest football players. You want to talk like high football IQ, you want to talk about understanding of the game and not just being involved in like
00:25:12
Speaker
one of the faces of it for so long to still be able to look out and recognize that. And he still has tons of relationships with leadership throughout the league. Yeah, he's still involved in... And is able to say truly and efficiently, like, coaching. Yeah. Coaching is the issue. Yeah. It's not that the talent isn't as good. It's not that at all. It's the coaching. It's the idea that these young guys are not getting developed
00:25:39
Speaker
properly. And I think those were his exact words where that like young players are not being properly developed, you know, and
00:25:47
Speaker
You should drop that clip in here.
NFL Coaching Standards: A Deeper Dive
00:25:49
Speaker
Yeah. And if you don't, though, like that's sort of I highly recommend people go check it out, like it because he's right. He's absolutely right. And like having Eberflux as our head coach is 100 percent the issue, like the whole thing about them, you know, like getting back to basics and focusing on on on the basics and being able to execute, you know, the the simplest of pieces. And I'm like,
00:26:15
Speaker
But you don't, you know, and there's this idea that like, there's so many out there who make that, who say something along those lines in the media room and to be quoted about it. And yet you can very clearly tell when it comes game time, they didn't practice that. That is not something that's being truly. I think Maddie Rufus likes playing the part of head coach.
00:26:39
Speaker
You think he likes playing the part? I think he likes the title and the penny. I don't think he enjoys playing the part. He enjoys the actual doing it. He's very bad at playing the part. I mean playing in terms of like in the media. I don't think he enjoys that. And like the persona of like I'm the head coach, you know. If that was the case, I think he would be
00:26:59
Speaker
More charismatic and have a better relationship with the media. Yeah and not give like bullshit answers like this You know, I think that he'd be come up with like a creative sly like way to do it as opposed to like a failed local city city council member Yeah, yeah way to do it. So it's sick of hearing Yeah, I think sorry go ahead no, so I mean I wanted to hit on you know again my issue here is with leadership and and
00:27:29
Speaker
I think that we have to seriously consider that like we have yet to win a divisional game with Eberfluis. We've yet to beat a team with a winning record with Eberfluis. And just his ability to so quickly like the fact that he had that one example like ready to go. He had that fucking loaded in the chamber bro. He was looking for an opportunity. He knew a question would come about that. He was looking for an opportunity to just
00:27:59
Speaker
Chuck it out there. Yeah. And it just. Yeah, I. Forgive me, because I'm going to go on a little thing here, but I so I haven't been around a long, long time, but I've had a lot of different jobs. I've been a part of a lot of different teams, you know, a lot of different groups of people with a similar goal. And one thing that I realized, because I've been thinking about this the past week, a week and a half or so, especially in relation to the Bears. But one thing I realized is that, like,
00:28:29
Speaker
The way a team operates, it starts at the top very much, and it sounds like a very basic thing to say, but it starts from the top down, and whoever's at the top influences how the rest of it works, for the better or for worse.
00:28:44
Speaker
Matt Iberfus is a fucking loser and that's affecting everything else. He's a fucking lipstick, spineless fucking loser in every way. His attitude, his demeanor, everything. Your fucking game plan when you're ahead and when you're smacking these fuckers around is to just play to win, play pre-vent and just hope that they don't fucking score on you and then still let them score and then just keep doing it.
00:29:10
Speaker
twice in a row. You haven't fucking learned anything. You take no fucking accountability. It just fucking sucks, man. And I think part of why I have this pit in my stomach too is because I came to the realization today that it feels like this organization does not care about winning.
00:29:24
Speaker
Cause if they did care about winning, he would be fucking gone. Cause he's very obviously a loser and he's done nothing but prove it. He's 0-9 in the fucking division and he still has a job. You know how many Bears fans are like left and right are calling for him to be fucking fired and they don't do shit. I remember a couple of weeks ago too, like overall in the organization.
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. Like that's my point. Yeah, you're a hundred percent, right? Well, then this organization is not about winning. Yeah. And I remember a couple of weeks ago, probably a month ago now, but Roquan Smith, they had asked him about like how he felt just basically like going and being with the Ravens now and stuff like that. And he was basically like, I'm so happy that my career. Yeah, he's
00:30:06
Speaker
like my career is not being wasted away in fucking Chicago and there was a few Bears fans that were upset but for the most part everyone was just kind of like he's fucking right and he really was he was right like Chicago has become a place where people's like careers go to fucking die and we haven't done anything to prove it wrong like all we've done is continue on that path and it's just fucking ridiculous it's like so disgusting this organization does not give a shit dude like it just feels that way you know and I don't know it just feels like
00:30:34
Speaker
you know it doesn't we can evaluate fields you know we can we have all this fucking talent on the team i think our team is really talented i truly do and i think we have the ability and we showed that we have the ability to fucking like hang in there and be in there with the best of the league but it doesn't fucking matter if the leadership is dog shit if we're being led by a fucking limp dick loser like fucking matt eberfloos
00:30:54
Speaker
This was his fucking moment. This was your moment. If you had won that fucking game, if you had come in and beat the fucking lions at Ford Field, dude, I would not be saying like I might have a little criticism or something, but you would have this was your moment. This was your turnaround moment. And you fucking shit it down your pants. You're a fucking loser. And it's just it's just it sucks like it sucks.
00:31:19
Speaker
That's it, that's all I have. It just, it doesn't matter until we fucking change this shit. And I don't know, like, it's frustrating because it's fans we can't. I have no say. We have no say in what happens. And so it's just like, we're just going to continue on this path, I guess, of being the graveyard of people, of really talented players, careers, and people coming here and just hoping they can get out. And I don't know, it's just disappointing.
00:31:38
Speaker
I think that's like I said, I just think that's part of the reason for my not in my stomach because I think I just realized that like it seems like this organization from top to top to I would say until the players. I think the players obviously give a shit and want to be just looking at how the play came out for this game and thought through the game. And, you know, that defense, Jesus fucking Christ, they got kicked in for those last two drives. Seventy five yards, they gave up 73 yards, they gave up. They were on the field so fucking long, those last
00:32:07
Speaker
those last couple drives for the Lions because again, the play design, the play calling, it's just everything leading up to that point with that lead. And you're absolutely right. That's something we talked about earlier, earlier in the season when we had a lead and we gave it up, we had a lead and we gave it up. And we're like, who the fuck do you think you are to let up on the ass? That you can just cruise. Who the fuck do you think you are? You don't get to cruise to a win.
00:32:32
Speaker
You're the fucking Chicago Bears and goddamn it, Fluce, you have not done anything, fucking nothing, to prove that you have the right to let up on the gas. To cruise to the wind, yeah. And even if you had, as though you could save a wind, how dare you? Against the lions. How dare you? It's fucking gross, dude.
00:32:58
Speaker
It's gross and it's disappointing. You couldn't do it against a shite team? What makes you think you could do it against the best team in our division? In our division? For sure.
00:33:09
Speaker
I just I don't understand. And that's my whole thing. He he you want to bring you want to bring winning back to Chicago, then fucking give a shit about winning. Bring a winning culture. God damn it. Yeah. And that's who want to the players want to win, but they can only do so much. Yeah. Because ultimately, like, I don't care how much you get paid as a player at the end of the day, you are put in a package position. Mm hmm.
00:33:34
Speaker
For a play yeah you're gonna execute your per your your piece there but but that doesn't necessarily mean it fits into the rest of the game as most of this did not yeah you know like but you can immediately like you.
00:33:50
Speaker
you could feel the shift the tonal shift everything yeah it's like you could feel it there is it's it's like it's like a goddamn tape you know tectonic plates when it shifts yeah you can literally yeah fucking earthquakes you're like oh there it is there it goes you know my taint starts tingling and i'm like oh we're gonna fuck it up aren't we yeah no winning thing that you're saying doesn't go to just eberfus it goes to ryan poles now too because it's 100
00:34:17
Speaker
I am 100% at this point of like look football has changed the game has changed the family needs to adjust as well and Like I'm sorry, but just the type of football that the Bears played does not win anymore No, we're not in the fucking 80s, brother
00:34:37
Speaker
And like the only time it was winning, I'm sorry, the last time it was winning was with Lovey Smith. Could you imagine Roquan playing for Lovey? Like in a Lovey defense? Can you imagine Lovey with this defense? Yo, Lovey would be fucking lighting it up with this defense. Exactly. 100%, dude.
00:34:52
Speaker
Like the offense might be okay. Yeah, you know, like he would at least I feel like and I feel like he would at least be a 100% behind behind fields or not, you know, he wouldn't be doing this pussyfoot bullshit of like, oh, well, yeah, I'll you know, I'll sometimes say that I'm behind him, but then throw him under the bus, like, you know.
00:35:11
Speaker
Yeah. So all that to say, bring Jim Harbaugh into Chicago. Uh, sure. Why not? Yeah. Why not? You know, uh, we can buy some plane tickets and send some poop, some scouts out there to steal inside. It's all allegations. Allegedly. Allegedly. I need to get a t-shirt that just says allegedly. Yeah.
00:35:40
Speaker
I don't
Future of the Bears: Leadership and QB Prospects
00:35:41
Speaker
know. That's where I'm at, man. You know, it's right now. It's I'm looking at that game as the players have not given up. That is extremely important. The players are out there truly showing out and on each other. They haven't given up on each other like they're not. That's a great way to put it. They've not given up on each other. But God damn it, like.
00:36:02
Speaker
I you can there. I think there is a rift for sure between players and coaching staff and coaching staff. Now, I'm sure that there are some coaches on the step because there's tons of coaches, right? It's not just like, you know, head coach, offense, defense, defense, all the assistance. Order back, coach. Yeah. So I'm sure that there are plenty of coaches underling coaches on that staff that are frustrated as well. Yeah. And
00:36:32
Speaker
As a fan, it is just. So looking at this, we're looking at the season and we're going to keep looking at at fields and evaluating him over the next seven games he's got left. We have the Lions again in a couple of weeks. Yeah. My my whole thing is.
00:36:59
Speaker
Is he the future of the Chicago Bears? First off, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say he should be. My opinion is he should be, but not with Eber Flus. He needs to be the future with a coach who believes he's the future. Simple as that. And a coach who's going to bring in a culture of
00:37:20
Speaker
of supporting that as well of, hey, no matter what, this is our guy. These are our guys. This is what we're doing and create that culture. And I think that that's something that they've done. We talked about that a couple of weeks back, about the culture shift that Detroit has had over the last few years, ever since they brought in their head coach. And you can clearly see that, the evolution
00:37:44
Speaker
his first year wasn't amazing it wasn't great by any means you know the second year was better you know and like but like he's he's continuously they're evolving and developing and building that team around you know that's the other thing is i don't think we necessarily need to build a team around a player we need to build a team around a coach and at a certain point we need to go find a coach who truly knows how to win and we need to find a coach who truly knows how to lead and that's the that's the thing that fluce is missing he doesn't have
00:38:11
Speaker
the people's skills. He doesn't understand what it is to be a true leader to own, to take like complete and total ownership and not do this. We are taking cut. I fucked up. Not we needed to execute better or not. Well, we could have done. No, I thought fields had him open and missed. Yeah. Needs to be able to execute like, no, none of that. Yeah. So for me, if you ask me about the evaluation of field, the Chicago Bears
00:38:42
Speaker
are a defense special teams forward team. We always have been. I don't think that's going to be changing anytime soon. Our offense has a lot of weapons. We need an above average quarterback and then we need a superior defense and special teams.
00:39:03
Speaker
Like if we otherwise, we're going to have to completely flip the script and we're going to need to go out and get someone who does a like a West Coast style offense or some shit, you know, or bring in the wildcat offense or, you know, like, oh, wildcat would you imagine? Yeah. But like, call people up. I'm sure he's ready to go.
00:39:23
Speaker
Have you seen the man? He's fucking... Jesus Christ. You got a heartbeat just saying that, Ebo to the Bears. Oh, I don't know for a second. I hope for it so bad. And I honest, I honest, God wished he would have done out when he was going out for
00:39:41
Speaker
I have his Jags jersey. He got covered in the Jags, man. I had the jersey, though. I got that the second it went on sale. But when he was going out as a tight end, I was like, no, bro. Come to Chicago. Your bitch ass is going to be set in records left and right, for real. That's just it, though. We need a coach who's going to come in and truly
00:40:06
Speaker
take extreme ownership of what it is to be a leader of of a team of a you know and and that's just missing you know that is that's the piece and it's obvious it's obvious to Bears fans it's obvious to people around everyone around the league i mean that's been the chat i think that's been the chatter that i've seen from everyone
00:40:27
Speaker
No matter the team, no matter where the loyalties lie, everyone looks at that game yesterday, everyone looks at what's been happening and they notice the coaches and it's fucking plain as day. But yeah, I mean, I'm with you, man. I think unless Fields really does some bad shit these next six games, you know, I think I think he's earned at least, you know, well, the real question also needs to be when you look at we should have the one or two pick plus, you know, another at this point, probably another high pick. Yeah.
00:40:57
Speaker
So when you're looking at that, the real question has to be the quarterbacks that are going to be available. Are they going to be an improvement from what fields is? Are they better than what fields is? My answer is no. No, I don't give a shit what you think about Caleb Williams. Like, no, he's not going to be better than fields out of college in Chicago. Yeah. That's the key. That is the key. I've said it since day one.
00:41:24
Speaker
We do not develop quarterbacks. So if you want the answer, no. Fields knows how to win.
00:41:30
Speaker
He has proven that he can win when he's allowed to, when he is allowed to. And they keep tightening the leash and not letting him take place and not letting him. And then trying to coach out what his instinct, you know, like we've seen that not work. So it's like, yeah, no, get him a fucking coach that backs him up and I guarantee we win. I guarantee we start winning more and more and more. And it'll be exciting. It just starts with leadership and get a guy in there that's aggressive, that believes in him, that knows how to fucking win. And I think he can fucking do it.
00:42:00
Speaker
But the last seven, the last seven plays another rookie to be a starter at like, yeah, no, no. If you're not going to go field for the love of God, don't get the number one pick as a quarterback, like let's shore up whatever, you know, uh, uh, polls and it said that, you know, we were what 70, 80%.
00:42:22
Speaker
Addressed with our issues. I'm like cool Then that's what the number one and two one and three one and four one and five picks you go to is shoring up the initial 30% that we're missing Yeah, and then or leveraging one of those to go out and get Like a top ten quarterback on a trade, you know, like don't don't like someone who is a
00:42:43
Speaker
who has the mechanics down, who is established as a quarterback in this league. Who doesn't need to be coached as much? Exactly. Like, who is not going to be developed? Like, no, they're developed and they're ready to come in and just start doing their job. Start going. Yeah, because you can bet if we have the number one pick. This year, that's going to be worth a fucking King's ransom. Like, that's going to be worth so much this year. Yeah. So for me, that's
00:43:13
Speaker
Huh? Or would you want to keep the, or what's the second one? Is it five, right? It's not determined yet, but it's going to be like five or four or something. Would you trade out of both of those? Or do you want that second one? So we keep the second one trade out. Yeah, I'd trade out the top pick and then, and then go get.
00:43:31
Speaker
That, or I mean, I think it fully depends. Like our play, if you want the number one pick and then you go and grab someone that would never be a number one generally, like, and in this class you wouldn't expect like an offensive tackle or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like some, and then just so that we can guarantee that you get them, you know, like I could see that. And then obviously like the value in, in the rest of, at that point, it's kind of like number one wasn't really number one. And then number two is the true number one. See that working out.
00:44:01
Speaker
Um, but yeah, although with the understand, if we end up with the one two and we trade out, then we could like trade out the number one with the understanding, like, yeah, you're going to use this number one to go get so-and-so and not touch the motherfucker. The guy we're trying to get. Yeah, I could see that thing, but I can. So, um, but yeah, I think that that's one of my.
00:44:24
Speaker
you know cutler came in and he was that that type of player he it suited what we needed as far as like we needed that 10 to 12 ranked quarterback that he's never going to be an elite like number one two three yeah yeah no he's not going to be that guy um but he's developed we don't need to develop him into his skill set yeah no that's fucking there you know we just need weapons in the right offensive structure to like go out and execute and yeah um
00:44:52
Speaker
That's the type, you know, I know my whole thing with with with this is it's just goddamn we cannot keep Can't keep doing ruin another young quarterback's career. Yeah, we're gonna ruin it. You know another young quarterback start to a career. Yeah Can't keep doing this
00:45:09
Speaker
with that. That's all I got. That's all I got for this game. That's all I got for this week. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Like I said, I just think none of this shit matters until the leadership is changed because that just affects everything from from that point down. So one thing I thought was interesting about the game was about the Lions is that
00:45:28
Speaker
It felt like you guys were controlling it, but they still went into the halftime with a lead because of that, like minute and a half drive that he, like minute and a half, 76 yard drive that golf led. So, I mean, he was clutch when he needed to be. And that's what saved their ass. That's the whole thing. Like he, he was clutch when he needed to be, and they allowed the opportunity for him to be that like they supported him regardless of the interceptions, regardless of turnovers, they were like,
00:45:53
Speaker
And the whole team did like from top to bottom to coaching. It was literally just everybody was like, we got you. We got this. And that to me, that's what we were talking about was that the Bears just this organization does not know how to win anymore. They don't believe in winning anymore. And that to me is the difference in Detroit is they believe in winning and they believe in it doesn't fucking matter.
00:46:19
Speaker
Their whole thing was grit. Like they talked about grit in their offseason and their training. That is just fucking great. And I'm like, and you saw that out there. They fought every play. Yeah, they got their shit kicked in on a lot of plays like throughout the game. They did not look great in certain areas. But again, they tightened it up. They went and tightened those little things up along the way. They made adjustments along the way and then showed up when they needed to.
00:46:45
Speaker
And every player was like, yeah, no, you're right. I got this. I'm going to go out in the next place going to be better. Next place going to be better. And they did that. And that belief never once did I see like it, like you watch the players on the sidelines. Never once did I did it seem like they ever truly believe they were going to lose that game. That's my whole thing.
00:47:03
Speaker
They were ready to go from that last from the start of those last two drives with the two minutes left or whatever. They were ready. They just you could tell. You could see it on Jared Goff's face when he when he walked out. They were just locked in. I think that's kind of what started the shift for me when I was like, I just saw him. I was like, oh, fuck, dude. They mean business right now. Well, when he threw that fucking piss missile to Jameson Williams to a touchdown. Fucking rocket. I was like, yeah, this might be turning a little bit. Yeah.
00:47:31
Speaker
Well, that's it. I think that's it for the Bears game. Well, we took up half the vibe check for the NFC North. So now it's time for the other half of the vibe check with Isaac Turgeon. How are you feeling,
Packers vs. Chargers Recap: Offensive Analysis
00:47:48
Speaker
bud? Which team are we covering first?
00:47:59
Speaker
You tell us, man. This is your segment. Let's go Packers first. Packers. All right. Super Bowl or Bust? Super Bowl or Bust, he says. Didn't we say that before we won? I think we said that before we won. That's very funny. Yeah, we said that. We're in the bust. By we, I mean, Omar, I'm going to take an Iber Flus. Hey, what can you do? You follow what the leadership does. Driving the Iber Bus. This is what Iber Flus is showing you.
00:48:29
Speaker
That's what we should call it is the Eberbooth. The Eberbooth. The short Eberbooth. Das Eberbooth. All right. So Packers had the Chargers this week and they won 23 to 20. I bet you're feeling pretty good about that.
00:48:46
Speaker
Yeah, we got a few good bounces our way with some key drops from the Chargers. I will say, yeah, the Chargers made some pretty key mistakes throughout the game. But also, I think Herbert played as good as he could. He played such a good game. Yeah. He was... Pass and run. He was the leading rusher for the Chargers. Yeah, 100%. And the only reason we were able to stop on the last drive was because we finally put a spy on him and he couldn't wheel out, you know.
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah. You mean you made an adjustment during the game and it worked? Not until the last fucking time. At the end of the season, I want to super clip like all those moments because I feel like every week we have like two or three of Stein being like, Oh, you mean we did this and then it worked? I love it.
00:49:39
Speaker
Oh, man. I was thinking, yeah, it's Justin Herbert. We could get shit on, but like Friday or Saturday, it started shifting a little bit. I was like... You felt the air change. I was like, this is a good matchup for us because of their shitty defense and the role that we've been able to kind of establish with our passing offense recently.
00:50:00
Speaker
They have no run game. Justin Herbert was their run game. Yeah, they could not get run and go for anything. No. Well, when I saw that Keenan Allen had the AC sprain, I'm like, no matter what grade AC sprains are, trying to lift your arm with an AC sprain is
00:50:21
Speaker
It sucks. Looking like John McCain out there. He really did. Like he really did. That's crazy. That's crazy. Out of left field. I love that though. That was great. Out of right field technically. Yeah. True. True.
00:50:42
Speaker
But I mean, so when I saw that I pulled I I benched Alan in my team and like I think he still ended up like doing fairly well. But that first. Yeah, the second half. But that first half, he looked like dog shit out there. Like he looked like a ghost of himself like.
00:50:57
Speaker
So I, for real, was like, oh, shit, we might actually like have a shot if they don't have a pass game, because that's all they fucking got. Yeah. And I'm like, I mean, Keenan Allen is a he's a top tier receiver. Like he is an elite receiver. Like if he is, if he's feeling good, like there's a chance.
00:51:15
Speaker
A lot of teams can't beat that. He just knows how to pick a zone. He just knows how to like pick apart zones so well. He's so good. He's like probably one of the best route runners in the league, if not like the best right now. He's right there with Yvonne Adams. Yeah, he knows where to go at all times. But yeah, I think he was, he wasn't up to par this game and we benefited from it.
00:51:37
Speaker
a lot of yeah a lot of I mean we got we got lucky on that qj drop and on the right side which uh i love that after that our rookie corner was like dude like he did something yeah it's not a entity you need from a corner yeah
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. The disconnect from reality that you need from your corner to just be like, I did that. Because he looks so dumb. Speaking of, just to go back real quick, I don't want to miss the chance here because I was going to bring it up earlier while we were talking about the Bears game. Jalen Johnson, for a guy who wants to get paid a lot of money, sure is dropping a lot of fucking balls and fucking up and missing a lot of tackles.
00:52:23
Speaker
Just wanted to throw that out there. A couple of possible interceptions. For someone who wants to get paid big money, he sure is playing shit in key games. Still defended pass. Yeah, no, you're right. Sorry. I will say, however, I'm going to give credit where credit is due. Yeah, the Chargers definitely shot themselves in the foot a lot, but Green Bay? They did what they had to do. A tight game. I thought they executed really well compared to what we've seen.
00:52:53
Speaker
So a lot of great downfield. You've got to be feeling decent about that. Yeah, we had a lot of inconsistency and consistency in the run game. I mean, Aaron Jones went out right away and then our third string running back went out right away. So it's AJ Dylan. That was it. And.
00:53:08
Speaker
I'm not trusting AJ Dillon. I mean, he's been running good, but our run blocking isn't good. And he can't, it's not his kind of run blocking. It's like a zone speedy running back run blocking. And Aaron Jones isn't like that. He's a, you know, ground and pound type guy. And we just don't have that run blocking, but you don't have the Eagles offensive line.
00:53:29
Speaker
Um, but I think, yeah, Jordan Love had like usually his best game of the year. Um,
Jordan Love's Breakout Game: A New Star for the Packers?
00:53:35
Speaker
I think one of the best games of his career. Yeah. Well, he only had one game outside of this year. One start. Wait, Jordan Love. Oh, okay. I mean, yeah, I guess.
00:53:51
Speaker
Best game of his career, yeah, but it's a short career, but yeah, still the best game. Yeah, but I just, I don't really count that game against Casey like two years ago. Cause he, that was kind of the Rogers COVID time. And I was just like, it's against Kansas city. So, but that was his only other start other than this year. So I think since, since he took over as a starting quarterback, this has easily been his best game. Um, great anticipation. I think that.
00:54:19
Speaker
Um, the touchdown that could have happened to Christian Watson, he was a little late on that. I think he, he kind of hit 20 didn't need to. He should have just got it out on his third step, which he's been pretty good at hitting people in rhythm. So I think that's pretty easy to pick apart. Um, so that was like one missed opportunity. And another missed opportunity was Luke Musgrave up on a wheel just over, overthrew him a little bit. Um,
00:54:47
Speaker
Luke Musgrave now has a lacerated kidney. Oh, Jesus. We're going to be short-handed on Thursday. I think we're going to be walking right into a buzz. Lacerated kidney? Yeah.
00:55:00
Speaker
Fucking hell. God damn. He took a kidney shot, huh? I guess. Those are not... Dude, those fucking hurt. I'm sure they do. You piss blood for weeks. It is... Are you not supposed to piss blood? You need to get that checked.
00:55:22
Speaker
But yeah, Jordan Love, first game over 300 yards, 27 of 40. I fucking, I liked watching it. It was fun to watch. It was fun to watch him just work in stride. And one thing I've been kind of preaching is him getting in rhythm early and that's what he did this game and it paid off.
00:55:41
Speaker
You've been seeing, like, to the middle of the season, he hasn't been hit in a stride early on. And this game he was able to. The first drive was solid. We could have scored on that, but we had just a shitty play goal.
00:55:54
Speaker
um on fourth and one to like Luke Musgrave ran a route along the line of scrimmage to see y'all score points in the first half was very interesting i think we had 10 in the first half right yeah love to see it but i mean last over the last three games we have the number seven offense with yards per game so it's definitely
00:56:14
Speaker
on the upper trajectory. It's something to look at, especially with the shitty starts that we've had, not having a first down in the Lions game until four minutes in the second quarter. I like to see it as a little bit of an upgrade.
00:56:26
Speaker
Well, we've we've established, you know, at that level, the thing that they look at for trends is three games. You know, can you can you string together three straight games? And that that's where you're trending in the right direction. So, yeah, that absolutely great. Seems to be moving in the right way in some areas. And I think, like I said about the Rams game, I think that was the starting point where we were able to like kind of low stress, do what we want to do and figure out what worked and then
00:56:53
Speaker
I think we've just been able to hit a little bit of a stride recently. And yeah, our wide receivers all collectively played very well. Usually it's just been the rookies stepping up and the Dobs and Christian Watson stepping down.
00:57:10
Speaker
but all four of them were consistently good this game. Dontavian Wicks, our rookie had like three for 91, which has been crazy. He's been, his breakout has been crazy. And then not to even mention Jaden Reed, who's our second round pick, who's just been easily our first weapon, our first Reed, which I think has been the switch in our offense. I think he's becoming the focal point. I think they're kind of swallowing the,
00:57:37
Speaker
Yeah, we spent a second round pick on Christian Watson, but he's not performing right now. So we got to go with what's working, and they started going to Jayden Reed a little more. And yeah, I think it's paying off. Yeah. I would agree with that. Reed had a great game. Thursday is going to be a bitch. Who do you have Thursday? Lions. It's no Luke Musgrave, no Aaron Jones, no third string running back.
00:58:06
Speaker
Jaden Reed has chest injury. That's Haven Wiggs has a concussion, which I doubt he'll be cleared for by Thursday. So it's a tall task. Not looking good for you. Yeah. So it'll be interesting. It's probably going to fuck up my Thanksgiving, but it's fine. Dude, just start drinking early. It's fine. Yeah, there you go. I got some Jack Daniels to cook with. So maybe I'll just take, you know, take swigs. Just some Jacks and Coke, baby. But I think, yeah, it'll be interesting to,
00:58:37
Speaker
see what it comes of Thursday. I'm not expecting a lot, but it would just be interesting to see what Matt LeFlore and Jordan Love can do and make of the situation. But yeah, I think it should be after Detroit and Kansas City, we have a stretch of like
00:58:56
Speaker
the Giants, the Buccaneers, the Panthers. Yeah. And then I think, yeah, I think after these two rough games, I think we can hopefully hit a little bit of a stride to end the season. And that's what that's what I'm hoping for. I mean, that's the whole point of the year is just to see progress. So I'm in a decent spot.
00:59:17
Speaker
except we need, I still really want our defensive coordinator fired. Cause if charges could catch balls, we would have lost by like 20. So we, I mean, we played good, but our defense was giving up a lot of shit. Is that a talent issue or is that a scheme issue? Uh, I think it's a little bit of both.
00:59:39
Speaker
Um, just not going out to get the right talent for the scheme. I think it's personnel is, is just like the personnel that we're putting on the field. Like it's a lot of two D linemen and two OLBs on like clear rushing things and like dime in like clear rushing things. Like, right. Get the, like, come on, let's be fucking serious. Yeah.
01:00:04
Speaker
clog the holes like stop it yes first 300 yard game from a packers quarterback in two years i saw that i saw that and i was laughing it was like it was what date did they put up was it like November 17th of 2021 or something like that oh yeah it was against the bears against the bears of course
01:00:27
Speaker
All right. Well, I just assume any stat like that was, is again, that's what I told Omar. Yeah. You were telling me that the Packers have, or it's always against the bears. Not even the Packers, dude. They did that same shit when we were playing the saints. They did that same shit. Even, even teams that we play like once every four years, I'm like a weird schedule or something. It's like when they played.
01:00:54
Speaker
The bears haven't beat this team since Lyndon B Johnson was president about the bikes. Yeah. That was a game about the Vikings. Hey, Vikings drop one of the Broncos by one point, not to brag, but I kind of put on a clinic and the pick homes. Yeah. I had three that I was the only one who picked him. Yeah. And it was Denver green Bay and then the Rams, which I don't know how the Rams won.
01:01:25
Speaker
I initially had Denver and then I swapped back to the Vikings. I did it backwards. Did you? Oh, you were. I had the Vikings. I switched to Denver at like seven oh five. I was like. I don't know if this Josh Dobbs thinks it's going to keep going. Well, I don't think he didn't for the most part. He has what it is. Yeah, it was all Broncos won. All the numbers are favorited for the Vikings.
01:01:48
Speaker
I honestly, I think that that comes right back to what I said.
Vikings' Loss to Broncos: What Went Wrong?
01:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, this one really truly I think. Well, I think I think into it. I don't think necessarily that the Vikings were like out coached as much as it was more.
01:02:09
Speaker
when it came down to it like those significant plays in those moments they they they were outperformed you know it's just just that and my my other thing is from the beginning is that look say what you want about Russell Wilson he is a former elite quarterback who arguably is still a top ten like when you look even when you look at stats he's higher than top ten but like
01:02:34
Speaker
I, I, now I said at that point in the season, like, yeah, but you look at the teams he's gone against, like, yeah, he's ranked as like two or three overall with like yards and tuddies and all this stuff. But then I'm like, however, and they just couldn't find ways to win. And I'm like, we're very familiar with that. Um, but, but I'm like, he's absolutely still going to be a top 10 quarterback and not just that he knows how to win and where he.
01:02:58
Speaker
is so good is that two minute drill, especially. I think that was the major part. Yeah. And I think with the coaching and like, and Russell Wilson, like you just cannot give Russell Wilson or Sean Payton two minutes, a two minute drill at the end of the game to win it. Like you just can't like, I wouldn't give them 35 seconds. I'm just going to be very real. Like both of them have been in that position and Peyton did it with, with Drew Brees, who is one of my like all time favorite quarterbacks.
01:03:28
Speaker
who also had tons of those last minute drives. I did not realize that stat that they threw out there that coming in for that drive, Wilson was second among active quarterbacks for last like game winning drives at 38.
01:03:53
Speaker
And then next up was 43. And that was Stafford. And I was like, to me, I just blew my mind. First off, I was like, God damn, I can't believe they both have been playing that well. Like, I know they've always kind of like been there, but I also I'm like, it doesn't feel like it's been there. But, you know, and
01:04:14
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, we don't see Russell move around in the pocket a lot. We don't see him extend plays like he used to once upon a time as often as often. You know where he you know where he damn well saving that energy in the last two minutes of the game. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, and like the way that he was talking on the sidelines, the way that like he was he was like going through with the offensive line and with the receivers and just like they kept showing him command. I was like, I was like,
01:04:43
Speaker
He's getting the energy going. He's fucking the fires. Yeah. This is, I felt I was like, this is, this is going to be it. Like the fires have been lit. Yeah. This motherfucker's riding for sure. So yeah, that Broncos Broncos defense just kept it, kept them in the game. And then they kept, they had to settle for a lot of field goals. The Broncos did, but I mean, it kept them close enough just so that they had to get that last game winning drive and they fucking did it.
01:05:13
Speaker
Like Stein said the defensive line of the Broncos was just controlling the whole fourth quarter Yeah, especially what mattered at the end of the fourth quarter. They it was like they the Vikings Oh line just got destroyed. They got shut down They were getting blown off the ball like a full yard two yards almost every single play. It was insane How much the D line was controlling them? Yeah, that was
01:05:43
Speaker
It was wild. That was a good one. That was another really good game. That was a fun game to watch five and five now, right? Yep. Yeah. Didn't think that was going to happen. It's like the lions last year, you know, you suck, then you beat the Packers and then you get some, then you get some, uh, juice rolling. You know, that's what happened to the lions. Once they beat, once the lions kicked their ass last year, that's when they went on their win streak. But one thing to monitor, I think is the Vikings run game.
01:06:13
Speaker
They actually had a good fucking game that Madison good dude that Madison guy. I don't know. I've been kind of I think it was not super vocally, but I feel like I've been here and there being like this medicine guy He's got some got some something, you know, like I think it was on the back of their dual threat I'm Ty Chandler who went ten of set ten for 73 who was kind of they were able to go and do the
01:06:36
Speaker
true dual threat, you know, running back. And I think if they can, if they can hit that consistently, that's going to open up a level to the offense. Well, especially when you add into that, they're tied in and like, you know, Jefferson's going to be coming back in the next week or two, like that, that offense is finally starting to click. I think that it's also being able to, I think that by having dogs out there, again, like when we talked about after week one, when he was there,
01:07:05
Speaker
after the first week he was there about like this isn't the end this is the beginning of a new thing for them because it's a completely different type of quarterback right like he's able cousins is a classic pocket passer and Dobbs is does have that ability to extend plays with his legs a little bit better legs
01:07:23
Speaker
And so now I think that if they're able to like benefit from transitioning their offensive style a little bit, which they seem to be doing, you know, three games now. Right. We've had Dobbs and he's they've shown that progression in each one. If they get that run game going, all of a sudden this this offense is is it is a more dynamic threat, even a more dynamic threat. Right. And I mean,
01:07:51
Speaker
almost, I would say back to the level of what it was with cousins as QB and you know, wide receiver one actually active, right? Like even without the run game that they, you know, I think that we're sort of, it sort of like brings it back to that now they're competitive again. So, um, I don't know. I call me a person mistake. He's not a believer. I just don't trust jobs. He's been around so long.
01:08:19
Speaker
And he's never clicked. I mean, this could, it could be like a situation like Juno Smith. We're like, yeah, but that's where I stood on it. I got to see consistency. I guess, you know, it's like, yeah, that's well, I think that we've seen execution and consistency from him thus far. Yeah, for sure. He hasn't shown anything to three games. We look at three games. He's got three solid games and to come in as a backup and let's face it. That's what he was. That's what technically he is right now. He's coming in to fill in a QB one.
01:08:49
Speaker
It was originally to just stop the bleed basically, right? Basically. And then you fucking cauterize the wound. Exactly. He's like, all right. He's like, let's go. Let's do this. Oh, shit. Oh, this guy is just bandaged.
01:09:06
Speaker
He used that NASA brain of his. So, you know, I don't think that this game was necessarily on him by any means. You know, there were a couple of spots here and there that, you know, were missed. But that's the other thing is like this thing was so tight there that like that's it. That's where it paid. Right.
01:09:30
Speaker
Prepaid having Russell Wilson over Josh Dobbs in the club. That's just the Broncos defenses on upward trajectory to aren't they like they've been these past few games They've done really well, which is yeah, it was weird their job and it gets yeah last year. They were so fucking good
01:09:46
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and that is the weird thing is like that, that drop off that they had from last year to this year, it was, I was like, there's no fucking way that they're really out of nowhere. Cause they, it's not like they didn't ditch everybody on the defense. I'm like, no, the majority of the defense is still, it's kind of like my whole thing with the Buccaneers. I was like, they still have a lot of defensive players that are like, they're still, they might not come out and be, you know,
01:10:12
Speaker
a contender for the Super Bowl, but they absolutely are going to be a fucking speed bump that people have to try to get over. They're still going to be a force to be reckoned with, especially if they're feeling good one day. They're feeling froggish, like, bitch, you better be leap because it's going to be a fucking dog fight when they're healthy. I was like, there's no way this Broncos defense is that bad. I think that we're starting to see that.
01:10:37
Speaker
This back half of the season is going to be very interesting. I think some of the teams that have gotten left behind, you know, from the first from the first eight weeks, as far as like pundits and, you know, beat writers and stuff are concerned. I think a couple of them are going to surprise some people. No, the Panthers are not going to be one of those. Make that very clear. Panthers playoff run, according to Stein, is that what I mean?
01:11:07
Speaker
Yep. Super baller bust, right? That's more likely bust. Uh, and then you're absolutely right. This is where it pays off to have Wilson over Dobbs in clutch situation. And that's why I think, I think there's going to be games where they need Dobbs to step up and he just isn't able to hit that level. You know what I mean? Well, well, I think he did. He has hit that level twice though. Yeah. Like based on what, like, or like you, he came in clutch.
01:11:37
Speaker
Literally like two days off the plane, right? And I didn't know anybody. So to me, it's like, no, he has proven he can come in clutch. Um, especially on a team that let's face it, leading into that, everybody was like, they're dead in the water. They're done. They are done. Like no one believes in over. This is so sad. Poor bike. We've had that conversation. Vikings are like, Vikings are like that. Uh, they're like that meme where it's like call an ambulance.
01:12:08
Speaker
So but I think as far as like This is concerned can he lead them in a tight situation right of Especially against against I'm I Will say Russell Wilson is still elite when it comes to game-winning drives That's my two minutes. He's elite for two minutes That's my point is he's not gonna be going against Desmond Ritter and the Falcons every week
01:12:34
Speaker
When it comes down to him going against like the Eagles and like teams that like can fuck people, he's going to have to go through in the playoffs.
Vikings' Playoff Prospects: Can They Survive Without Cousins?
01:12:41
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. Like when it comes, I think regular season, they can be fine. And I think they'll stay afloat and I think they're going to make the playoffs. But when it comes to like, are they going to stay afloat in the playoffs? I don't see any chance.
01:12:55
Speaker
I think no. Well, and that's just it. I don't either. Not this year, at least. But I think I think 100 percent like they're out in the first round. You know, they're on the wild card game like that's, you know, very that's a very reasonable expectation as well. I think that is well above original expectations of what was going to happen when Kirk Cousins went down.
01:13:15
Speaker
You know like that they were done. Yeah playoffs were not. At stake is grilled. So I think that's the thing that is annoying just as a football fan because I know with cousins. They can hang with these teams, especially with the emergence of the defense and absolutely to just. The straight up talent that they have on offense with cousins. I think they're as good as damn near anybody in the NFC.
01:13:41
Speaker
I think they would have to be firing at 100% in order to do that. I think it would rely mostly on cousins to fire 100%. Yes.
01:13:50
Speaker
Given that, again, the idea coming into this was that they were going to purge and clean house because, especially with where Cousins is in his age and coming into contract year and all that good stuff, where it was like, well, what the fuck do we do? They literally were getting ready to just be done. Dobbs all of a sudden opens that door of, oh,
01:14:13
Speaker
He could keep us enough, keep the value of the team high enough, keep the value of the players high enough, and also let Cousins heal up to where maybe Cousins is able to come back for one more year and give it a shot. You think they do that, though? I do. I feel like they have to, no, no. Especially with how much Cousins is involved with Dobbs. He literally told him, if you need anything at all, football related or not, you call me.
01:14:39
Speaker
Anytime, any day, I will be there. He is in a hundred percent on Dobbs. He is in a hundred percent on this team still. He easily could be like, well, it was nice Minnesota. You know, I really enjoyed my time. You know, like, like he doesn't have to continue this shit and yet he's out there. And so to me, I'm like, it's the, it is the change in dynamic for the team moving forward.
01:15:07
Speaker
And so with that, that also buys them another year of like, that is a team I could see trading up to try and grab somebody who they could develop a little bit, if necessary.
01:15:20
Speaker
There's a lot of quarterbacks I think there's a decent quarterback who should go late that are going to be better than what we're going to take in the beginning. It's not so top heavy this year for quarterbacks I think in the draft. Just my opinion. I think the better ones are going to be later. I think there's the two very obvious choices with Drake May and Caleb Williams, but then there's also
01:15:44
Speaker
JJ McCarthy who's been decent has fallen off the last few weeks, but he's been decent um, and there's just like choices like that where Their fundamentals are good and you can just kind of let them sit well, especially if you can actually develop a quarterback. Mm-hmm
01:15:59
Speaker
which I trust KOC to do. I absolutely do. So and that's what I mean. So I think that's my thing with Dobbs is that, yeah, they may not be able to hang in there with the top two or three teams in the NFC with Dobbs, unless, of course, Dobbs is firing at 100 percent. I think that they can compete and I think it could come down to a game like this where it's final drive. Now, who would I go with in that scenario?
01:16:25
Speaker
not the Vikings. I'm going to go with the quarterbacks that are true QB1s. However, flip side, this is giving the future for the Vikings. It completely rewrites the Vikings' future and future actions a little closer to in line with what they had in mind originally. Whereas they were literally scrapping the book and getting ready to toss that shit in the recycling bin.
01:16:53
Speaker
and light it on fire. They recycle. I heard Drake made conversations right when. They're in Minnesota. They recycle. They care about the environment. Yeah, I was hearing Drake made conversations right away when Cousin went down and shit like that. Which also I just want to be very clear. That's something else that we need to keep in mind is stop falling in line with what everybody else is looking at with Kayla Williams and stuff. How about you start listening to some of the other...
01:17:20
Speaker
the true offensive minded coaches who are, have had success with developing quarterbacks, who are they talking about? Right. And so when the Vikings are not talking about Caleb Williams at that point, that's where I'm like, there's a reason. There's a reason. And it's not just because they don't think they'll have that number one, that top pick. It's not just that, um, you know, because they very well could move things around, do things to make that more
01:17:48
Speaker
plausible for them, but instead they're looking at going, no, who's someone that we could actually go through and get so and develop. And, yeah, I just I don't know. I'm I'm very interested. This makes this completely rewrites what the Vikings are going to be for the next two years in my mind, which is important to me in the NFC North. Yes. Whereas I thought, oh, shit, they're going to go into rebuild mode and next year
01:18:15
Speaker
We might actually not finish last, you know? Now we'd find a way to bear down a fourth.
01:18:26
Speaker
I think that wraps it up for the Vikings, to be honest.
Week 12 Preview: Bears vs. Vikings
01:18:29
Speaker
Well, not with the Vikings, but because we got to move on to the week 12 preview in which the Chicago Bears will see the Minnesota Vikings. So we're not totally done with the Vikings yet. Well, I meant as like, you know, recaps that wraps it up for them. Yeah.
01:18:52
Speaker
What do you think, Stein? Oh, we do it. Okay, so hey, let's head into the week 12 preview. We're taking off the Chicago Bears against the Minnesota Vikings. The Minnesota Vikings. Three and a half point favorites. The Vikings are? Yep. Oh, of course the Bears wouldn't be.
01:19:10
Speaker
It's at, it's admin setter, right? Yep. So they're technically they're half point favorites. You get, you get three points for being the home team. Like, Oh, so that's just like automatic, like kind of watch. Like, so that's, I'm very careful with that. When I see someone's like, if they're going to have points, favorites, I'm like, no, where are they playing? Now, if they're three and a half point favorites on the road, that's a different Monday or Sunday night game.
01:19:39
Speaker
It's a Monday night. So we could win. We've been winning on days that aren't Sunday. So we have been losing when we have time to prepare. So we got a little extra time. No, we're kind of like stuff. Is it going to offset? We're going to end in a tie here. What's really going to happen is we're going to go into a bye week and then we come back against.
01:20:04
Speaker
The lions or no, or do we go lions then by week? I can't remember what it is. Our producers should be able to come up with that info. It's. Lions Viking by lions. Yeah. By and then lions. Yeah. Lions Browns. Then I was going to say, if it wasn't a bi-week against the lions, it'd be like, Hey, that's the one we win that. Yeah. Sure. Right. We started against the lions. Um, Jefferson is questionable for this one.
01:20:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're not in a rush to bring him back. They talked about was like going through it was if they won against the bears, then you can keep him on IR.
01:20:46
Speaker
One more week. Right. Well, yeah, I'm just saying, K O C said he's questionable. So it doesn't like hold much weight, but that's just what he's when he himself was tweeting that he's not in a rush to get back. Well, his, his tweets were also, I loved them. I don't give a fuck about your money. Yeah. Yeah. Which he fucking tanked my season dickhead. He's sitting in my.
01:21:11
Speaker
I had him and Keenan Allen and and I was like, oh, I was like, my wide receiver squad is fucking dope as shit this year. So how do I feel about this game? OK, well, I feel like it could be a close one here. If we can execute the way that we did for the majority of the game against the Lions, I think we can control this game. Yeah. If we can do that and not let up on the gas, I think that we can win this game.
01:21:42
Speaker
Because yes, they seem to finally found a run game, but we still have a solid run defense. Like you're still able, like going against the Chicago frontline.
01:21:53
Speaker
One of the few things we can take pride in is that we're really good against the run. We started hopefully what will turn into a habit of getting pressure on the quarterback now. If we can get Joshua Dobbs under some pressure and get him feeling the heat. Creating looks for the secondary. We're seeing forced turnovers finally.
01:22:15
Speaker
I think the possibility is there. Normally, when we were coming in against Detroit, I was like, there's nothing. It was hopeless. Yeah. There's no fucking way this happened. I was right. There's no fucking way that was going to happen. And ultimately, it's not the players. Ultimately, it's going to be. If we lose, it's not because of the players. Yeah.
01:22:33
Speaker
And I don't care, and I don't care who the fucking quarterback is. If Bajan's in there, if Fields is in there, if we lose, it's not because of the players. Yeah, Peyton fucking Manning in there. Well, he would change the play. Yeah, he would change. He would literally be like, we're not doing that. Yeah, right, right. He turns the headset off. He's like, all right, I got this. He switches helmets. He gives us...
01:22:53
Speaker
We see him on the sidelines just ripping the mechanism. Like his big ass head could fit into any other helmet that wasn't made for him. Exactly. But no, I think that there's a shot if the coaching staff gets their head out of each other's asses and doesn't put them right into their own asses as well. Which I said last week that beating the Lions was a tall order. I think it's an even taller order to ask the coaches to pull their heads out of their asses.
01:23:21
Speaker
No, you're absolutely right. And that's, that's what I think coming down to it, I'm going to say that the Vikings take this and ultimately it's because of coaching because I have more faith in the Vikings coaching staff than I do in the Bears coaching staff. Yeah. Like the Vikings leadership has proven.
01:23:39
Speaker
Their metal to me. Yeah, you're great as the Whereas the bears coaching staff is has improved Jack left me wanting Lee and to say the least. Yeah So, yeah What can you do?
01:23:57
Speaker
What about you? What are you thinking? I think Fields has a good game. I think he's going to go out. I think our players are going to go out and show out. I think they're going to get dicked over by the coaching staff. Yeah. I mean, I just couldn't agree with you more. That's where I'm at. I think this team has shown that it has the talent to hang in there with the best. I just think our coaching staff doesn't do them any services.
01:24:15
Speaker
So yeah, I could see, I think, I think it'll be a close game. I could see, like you said, the possibility is there. I could see us winning, but, uh, I just think, I think that's going to be a story of the season. You know, just the coach is dicking over a pretty talented team. I think it'll be interesting to evaluate fields, pre-snap reads in this game. Cause Brian Flores loves to fuck with you when he struggled against the Vikings last time. So.
01:24:45
Speaker
Well, for the short amount, no, for the last game that they played against each other. You're totally right. I forgot about that. Wait.
01:24:52
Speaker
When was that week? It was short. I mean, it was just a little while ago, but that's when he got injured. And that was when he got injured. But even before that, he wasn't it's not like he was having a great game before that. And that's what we also that was also the play calling in the beginning to remember. That was the one where we had the issue of like, did they even have a game? Like, yeah, what the fuck is happening right now? We're like, they're running passing. They're passing when they should run in there. Like, yeah, everything was ass backwards, bass, awkward. Yeah. Well, I think maybe.
01:25:22
Speaker
guess he's probably like overthinking it like we got like a really good defensive coordinator let's try and mix it up and then like just fucks it up in the process i think it'll be interesting to see the mind games that are played with like brian flores who blitzed 70 of the time last game and see if they address it and see how fields can read
01:25:42
Speaker
you know, the pre-snap reads or the pre-snap blitzes and shit like that. But also if Brian Flores is like, hey, I blitzed 70% of the time, I'm going to show pressure and then just back off. That could fuck with shit too. Yeah. So I think it'll be interesting to just watch the mind games I go on.
01:25:57
Speaker
Mm hmm. You mean and watched gets you get mind fucked because basically, let's face it like that's kind of like. That's kind of that's just not fair, right? That's going to be a cat and mouse thing where it's just like the cats can be playing just like, you know.
01:26:15
Speaker
It's yeah, and the cat is playing holding mousetraps like Yeah, I know faith whatsoever and get see I know no faith whatsoever neighbor fleece I just Yeah, if we get a lead Jesus fucking Christ help me so God like just just get us don't let up go score again and again and again
01:26:43
Speaker
I would love nothing more than to see Fields lose his shit on the field and be like, fuck it, we're doing this. I'm waiting for that. Or just fucking yell at Matt Eberflux or Luke Getsey. Someone yell at these dickheads. Because that's the other thing. They're fucking with his money now. They're fucking with his career. If you want this to be an evaluation of Fields, then Jesus Christ helped the guy out. Put him in a position to be successful.
01:27:10
Speaker
Don't stop that once you're leading and being successful. Like keep it, keep it because the inability to win games at this point has nothing to do with the players themselves. It has absolutely everything to do with the play call and play design completely changing into that. Keep the lead mode as opposed to extend the lead. Yeah. So.
01:27:34
Speaker
Yeah, Matti Rufus hasn't, I mean, how many fucking times are you gonna be taught this lesson than if I haven't fucking learned it?
01:27:40
Speaker
How many times have I got to teach you this lesson all day? Exactly, like truly. I feel like somewhere down the road, 20, 30 years from now, we're going to get like a Netflix documentary, docu-series about this. And it's going to be 30 for 30. There's going to be like, no, it'll never be a 30 for 30. Yeah. Yeah. Those are good. Good things happen in those. This is where it's like, like some of the screenshots, you know, they're going to be like images of like someone walking in on Eberfluis, like
01:28:10
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