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11- Erotica- The Follow Up
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On this week's episode, we start by sharing updates on our recent travel. This section might as well be titled, "Can We Interest You In...Europe?"
20:57- We then discuss our conversation with Marissa Joy about erotica. Patti plays hard to get and tries to avoid talking about the homework assignment by bringing up other podcasts and focusing on leaving one's job to pursue a passion. Charlotte makes the first move and asks the hard question to get us started. How did the homework go? Patti tells us about her experience recording audio erotica. Charlotte shares lines from her written erotica.
This episode confronts the important questions: Is Charlotte attracted to killer orcas now? Is there a market for audio erotica read awkwardly and in sheer terror? (Asking for a couple of friends.) Has our conversation with Marissa changed us forever?
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Unique Hobbies & Host Catch-Up
00:00:00
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You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
00:00:15
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We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?
00:00:35
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Hey, Charlotte. Hey, Patti. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good, too. Well, how was your trip? Oh, my God. I haven't been like a month since we last spoke.
00:00:48
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I know. met because we were both out traveling.
Charlotte's Spanish Pilgrimage
00:00:53
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My trip was really good overall. There were some kind of tricky parts that were more like my own personal baggage that came up that was a little bit hard, but...
00:01:04
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The trip itself was so cool. Like we, it was a pilgrimage. So kind of a different purpose of a trip, but we went throughout Spain and then we went to Rome um for three days as well. So Spain was gorgeous.
00:01:25
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We were traveling by bus. So going to small towns, a different town, pretty much every day, like we would get in and out of a place to stay. every day. And that made it kind of just like a little bit extra exhausting because you're like, okay, pack up your bag again and like go somewhere different.
00:01:43
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but the towns were gorgeous. The people were lovely. um The places we saw were so cool. Like some places that it's like, oh, you would never see this otherwise, you know, or like to even plan the trip would be so hard to do. um The food was amazing. They eat sure so well.
00:02:04
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And, um you know, I have celiac, so I can't do gluten. And I just told them that because they asked if there were any um dietary restrictions and thinking like, oh, I'll just eat whatever, you know, like I'll figure it out on my own. No, they would have a special meal for me, including bread, gluten-free bread that was good.
00:02:25
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And they have wine at every meal. Like even at the breakfasts, they would have like wine out in case somebody wanted it, which wasn't like happening a ton, but lunch wine and dinner wine.
00:02:36
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Like, it's just like you could get wine easier than you could get water. It was just And like the food just felt so good too, because I was like, oh my God, I'm not feeling that like yucky day drinking kind of head thing or next day thing. And my stomach felt great from just like eating real food. And it was, it was, it was really, really cool.
00:03:02
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That's awesome.
Travel Logistics & Group Dynamics
00:03:03
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what How big of a group was it? How many people i from your office? Yep. Yep. And then we had um ah bus driver in Spain and then we had a tour tour guide and she's amazing. And in Spain, in order to be a tour guide, you have to like actually go to college for it. Like you go to university for four years and then you specialize in some kind of like her specialty was art history.
00:03:33
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And so she had so much knowledge about like all of the art in the places that we were going to and kind of the history of what was happening around that time. um So she was incredibly knowledgeable, but also like really organized and like had figured out all of, and then we'll go here and then we'll do that. And, you know, like getting us into things and around places. And so that was really, really nice. I'd never been on like a group tour like that before, but it was,
00:04:01
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lovely to not have to think about anything. I was just like, tell me when to eat. Tell me when to show up. Tell me when to, you know, like I loved it. That sounds amazing. How many days was it? 11. Oh, wow.
00:04:14
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ah Yeah. And so like includes travel, but like our first day that we arrived there, it was like, we got there at 7am and we hit the ground running, you know? So it was like, okay. And you're walking from town to town?
00:04:27
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Bussing. Bussing. Okay. Yeah. Like a lot of people did like the Camino, the historical way to do it is like to actually walk, you know, along this route and like stay in hostels and things like that. But yeah, we did the bus version of it.
00:04:44
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That sounds better. yeah
00:04:49
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Yeah. Yeah. So how was your trip? It was great. It was great. um Let's see.
Patti's French Adventures
00:04:57
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We went with, so it was me and my boyfriend Adam, friend Karen, and then my parents had been in Scotland and then they met us in Bordeaux.
00:05:09
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But first, Karen and Adam and I went to Saint-Michel, which is that place. Oh, I i showed you and Marissa. but At first, you know well it depends on what the tide is. If it's low, then it's just like you could walk there and there you know there is a path that you can go on, but technically you could like walk out um where the water then later rises up and then it looks like, you know, it's just like a little city on water.
00:05:38
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And it used to be like a monastery, like at the top of it. um But then also like a little town that kind of winds around. Wow. Yeah, it was really beautiful. And there were all these like sheep kind of around not where the water is but like outside the water so it's very like picturesque and just like calm there were a you know a number of tourists but it was not as bad as i imagine it might be you know if if it was like in the middle of summer oh okay like peak tourism season is summertime although i feel like france is like always peak tourism season
00:06:21
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And then we went to Bordeaux, which I did get sick one day. um so I just kind of had to like sleep for like half a day. And but that was fine because like with all the traveling, i was already kind of my sleep was all messed up. And so I think it's just like war on me.
00:06:39
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um But then we did go to like some wine tastings. And it did rain some, but it was still still nice. We went to a wine museum and I learned a lot, which I didn't you know i didn't know that much about wine.
00:06:56
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What did have in a wine museum, though? They had a lot of interactive stuff. And they had these little, like, i don't know, little history boxes where it would tell you the history of various things about wine. Uh-huh.
00:07:13
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And what else do they have? um Oh, they had one where you could take a little test and then it would tell you what kind of wine you are. Like a wine feed quiz? Yes, it's very accurate, I'm sure.
00:07:28
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i think I was like, I'll have to look for what I was, but it was something like bubbly and effervescent. And I was like, I like this. I know it's not scientific, but I'll take it.
00:07:40
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I'm going to retake that test. Yeah. And then we went to Paris and that was beautiful. There was one day where it was like two hurricanes were going to converge, but but oh it mostly just rained lot. Around Paris?
00:07:57
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Yeah, I know. we're welcome but ah have a friend who lives lives in Normandia and works in Paris, and she texted me like about our you know us hanging out, and she was like, oh, but we have some unwanted friends who are coming, like you know like Irene from the north and Zet from the south or something. And I was like, oh, unwanted friends.
00:08:21
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ah Well, you
Cultural Interactions & Language
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know, you don't have to hang out with them. you She's like, those are hurricanes. was Not their actual names. Wow.
00:08:33
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That I didn't know. Had you been to Paris before? Nope. Or but Bordeaux? Oh, fun. so it was first time. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Yeah, I've been wanting to go for a really long time. And i and every time I would like let my friend know, like, I'm coming, and then end up canceling it somehow.
00:08:52
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Uh-huh. Right. COVID. or it's happening Yeah, exactly. The hurricane's going to stop you this time. but No, because I didn't know about until I was already there. Exactly.
00:09:04
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But otherwise, yeah, it was beautiful. And the people there were really nice, like almost and almost everybody. So I don't know. you know, I think that they can be like maybe a little no nonsense sometimes if you're especially if you're not even trying to speak the language.
00:09:23
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But I would open my mouth and and be like, uh, and they'd be like, American. Almost but really almost perfect English to you. okay Okay.
00:09:36
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and I also think that they can tell like maybe what country you're from from like how you fill your spaces between your... ah Sentences. If you're like, oh,
00:09:50
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this is the American, not classy version.
00:09:57
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And so how was it traveling dynamic, that like group of you? It was pretty good. it was like, oddly, I think, you know, there were enough people that we could kind of, you know, when I was laid out, they could hang out a little. Oh, and my mom was sick too. So I think I got it from her.
00:10:18
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And then, but then my parents left a little early too. So then we were able to to do a little more stuff because they had been there before, um but they didn't really have quite enough time, but it was, it Surprisingly worked out quite well.
00:10:33
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i mean, my parents had met both Karen and then, of course, Adam before. So yeah that helped. um And Karen and Adam, they they have a lot in common. So I feel like wow they they probably got along pretty well and have like a more similar travel a style than I do.
00:10:53
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okay. So that's awesome. ah Which is good because as you could probably guess, my travel style is very much like show up, show me where the food is.
Travel Styles & Food Comparisons
00:11:04
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And that's all I need to know. Or like walk around, it some books.
00:11:11
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There's no plan. Yeah. And nice that at the same time, it seems like you're game for, oh, okay. I'll go to a wine museum if you want to. I'm not going to organize it, but right well I'll go.
00:11:24
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Yeah. yeah And i did I like, so just to be sure that I would like not completely be, be a bump on a log. I did organize some of the Paris stuff. So I made a lot of the reservations and and all of that.
00:11:40
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Ooh. And that's nice too, to like, I just, yeah, I get so overwhelmed when going somewhere like a Paris or, you know, like there's so much to do. Where do you even begin? How do you even narrow it down or like, you know, determine those things?
00:11:56
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Yeah. That's why I would love a trip like the one you went on where it's just like, take me to the place and then put the line out. Yes. And they were like, wonderful, wonderful places we stayed, wonderful places we ate, really interesting things that we saw and unique. And yeah, i truly was like, this is the perk of like, i i am in charge of nothing and nobody.
00:12:25
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Like I had, you know, we all had our buddies, you know, like, oh, where's your buddy? Is your buddy here? Yep. Great. I was in charge of her, but she and I were like, liked each other. So we spent a lot of time together anyways. And we were both always on time and there, you know, so it wasn't, that wasn't hard.
00:12:39
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But other than that, I was like in charge of nothing and nobody. I was like, take full care of me. oh Awesome. And I will say, cause I tend to be like, well, maybe I'll just like, and not that we had the option to like skip anything anyways, but like, because we never stayed at the same hotel, like you also couldn't, you know, cause it's like, there's nowhere for you to like, you were moving to the next city. So it also was a good motivator to just get up and go. And like, once I get started, I'm not nearly as lazy as I let myself be. Yeah.
00:13:16
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You're not like, but today's a great day to find out what's on Spanish television. um I need to watch telenovelas all day to practice my Spanish more.
00:13:27
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ah No, not not out with people. No, bring my food to my room, please. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that ah also in France, like the food was, because they just care so much about it.
00:13:41
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But I think it is like what you had described, which is just that the food is not filled with crap, you know, even if it's rich and there's like lot of dairy and all of that, it's, it's different. It just feels better.
00:13:57
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i know. and it makes me really sad that we allowed our country to do this. Like I get, I get how we got here. you know, it was like best of intentions, like, oh yeah, we can be like, we can make more for faster, cheaper, whatever. And it was like,
00:14:14
Speaker
very short-sighted, you know, but I'm like, man, how do we go back? Like, we kind of can't go back now. Like, even if you were to say, like, my sister was telling me about some new form of wheat that they're trying to introduce.
00:14:32
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Have you heard about this? I remember so little of it now. And i was saying, well, that's, oh, I guess it like requires less water. So it would be more drought resistant.
00:14:44
Speaker
Very cool, right? But it's more expensive. So then they were talking on NPR like, oh, well, if you could just get like a huge distributor like a General Mills to say we're going to make, we're going to use 10% of this to make our cereals. So it's like you're not making a choice of like, oh, I'm getting a product made by this special wheat, which is more expensive versus Cheerios.
00:15:11
Speaker
You know, like if you could get Cheerios made with it. then it's like an easier entry point for consumers. But what I was wondering is like, there's so much cross-pollination that what happens then? Does this wheat, is it no longer this drought resistant? Because now you're going to have like these new strains that are kind of like the drought resistant with the non-drought resistant if you're in fields that are near each other. and You know, like, do you remember that Monsanto plant?
00:15:43
Speaker
crap. Yeah. and They were like suing other farmers for having like their strain of. Oh, that's what they're talking about. Yes. And it was like, well, I didn't take it. You're just my neighbor.
00:15:55
Speaker
And so like your, your stuff flew into my area and then they made babies, you know? so it's like, I know. They're trying to sue me for it and just be generally assholes.
00:16:10
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So all that to say, it's like you almost have to start fresh and be like, okay, everybody's required to use only good crops. And then, man, if people are complaining about prices of groceries now, just imagine.
00:16:25
Speaker
But it is just interesting to travel, right? And be like, oh, there's a different way to live. Yeah. I mean, also like coming back, Adam and I decided to do an anti-inflammatory diet because because of all the like wine and and dairy and all that.
Dietary Choices & Health Reflections
00:16:43
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And so that involves a lot of finding ingredients that don't or finding foods that don't have ah all those ingredients like the but the ultra processed ingredients and all of that. Yeah.
00:16:55
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And I feel great. like Really? Yeah. and And he has this cookbook that's just like everything in it is delicious. And so I realized just like how much it's – everything's probably you know affecting me without me even realizing. It's like your body just gets used to it.
00:17:14
Speaker
And you know I've never really paid a lot of attention to, and well not as much to ingredients as like probably need to these days. And so, ah yeah, I have like more energy and well, most most of the time, but Nothing 100%.
00:17:33
Speaker
Wait, but was it hard to find foods that didn't have those ingredients? And what are they? it's It wasn't that hard. Like if you go to to certain types of grocery stores, but it definitely can be more expensive because it's you know it's things like, well, I've been getting a lot of cashew ingredients.
00:17:54
Speaker
milk yogurt oh yeah which there's no good reason for that because it could also just do like the coconut yogurt or something but it just seems like cashews you know that's the best nut um and then is cashew your favorite nut i feel like it's the best nut yeah okay somebody was telling me it's a fruit But oh I don't, I don't, I feel like there's a cashew.
00:18:21
Speaker
There's like a fruit that comes from that plant, but I don't know if it's the same as the nut. Oh, sure. Okay. This is another example of, I shouldn't have started this because I don't know what I'm talking about. Somebody said.
00:18:33
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ah Somebody said. know There's no need to give a definitive. It wasn't me. No.
00:18:42
Speaker
course I'm going to Google it now but okay yogurt yeah and then fruits and vegetables and like chia seeds and it's like and then you know all the stuff that you're probably eating like the gluten-free pasta and that kind of thing um because it's like no wheat no dairy so some of it's just like stuff that's a little easier to avoid nowadays like wheat and dairy yeah then yeah added sugars and that kind of thing Oh, the sugars. That's my problem. They gave us dessert at every meal.
00:19:18
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So now I'm back on this. I have to have sugar all the time. oh it's so hard. It's so hard. You're like, your body's like, yeah, this is the way.
00:19:28
Speaker
This is the way to live. But like, similarly, of course, I feel the difference when I don't have it. My brain feels better. My body feels better. My emotions are better. It's like, so why the F don't you just do it?
00:19:40
Speaker
You know? Because they put stuff in there to make you want more. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. you can In short, Europe. yay Yay. They do everything better. Yeah. Well, not always everything better. they're they're Their coffee situation in France, at least, is weird. I'm sure like probably like but Italy, they know what they're doing. lovely. Yep.
00:20:05
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Yeah. Yeah. But in France, I just... I didn't know half the time what I would get when I ordered. Yeah. And I don't even drink coffee and yet I would get it there because it was like, okay, a it's going to be, you know, if you're going to try it, try it here because it's going to be good.
00:20:26
Speaker
And then also it was just like a part of you know, like this is the caffeine that's available. So drink it in the morning and part of the meals and in rome they just like don't they like go and like they stand at the counter at the coffee shop and just like drink their espresso and then they leave yes yes right you pay different prices if you're gonna stick stay or if you just stand yeah oh different okay i forgot that that's cool Yeah.
Literary Erotica & Creative Exploration
00:20:57
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So the last time we met, you brought your lovely friend Marissa to the library with you. Yes. that We talked about erotica. Erotica literature. li Literary erotica. I wrote it down. of like, I'd never heard of that term before. had not either. Like, I mean...
00:21:17
Speaker
It makes total sense because like otherwise you kind of think of it just as like written porn. But like when you make it artful or like, yeah, then it's literary.
00:21:29
Speaker
Yeah. Like I think you were saying there's an actual plot to it. It's not just about the the dirty bits or whatever. Yeah. yeah I also think it's amazing that she had just quit her job.
00:21:45
Speaker
Yeah.
Career Changes & Job Loss Reflections
00:21:47
Speaker
I had no idea. and I love that the two of you were sitting there both having like done similar situations or you're in similar situations.
00:21:56
Speaker
Neither of you knew that. And it's just like, that is so cool. I don't know. Yeah. it It's, I mean, it's great because she has like talked for a long time about just job dissatisfaction as we all do sometimes. Well, not everybody, but.
00:22:13
Speaker
And so, yeah it makes total sense because she, she's, really talented. And I think like just from what she was describing, it sounds like there's a real market for what she's doing and what she wants to do. Yeah.
00:22:27
Speaker
So why not give it a shot? Yeah. have to check in and see how, how it's going for her after, after a little while. I know because I would love to be able to even direct people like, this is where you can find her stuff, you know, like what platform did she end up going with or any of those things?
00:22:44
Speaker
But one of the things that came up for me, and I didn't mention it when we were talking with her because it was just, you know, such a good conversation. I didn't want to interrupt like with this kind of tangent, but there's a podcast that I had stumbled across.
00:23:01
Speaker
It's one of the former hosts of Invisibilia. So Invisibilia had had like a couple of rounds of hosts and I listened to it early on and then stopped. And so Yahweh Shah is one of the latest hosts.
00:23:18
Speaker
It was through one of those public radio networks and they cut all of their podcasts. They were like, yeah, we don't have the money for it. So you guys are all laid off.
00:23:29
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And she started this podcast called Proxy the Pod, basically to go through the processes of kind of mourning the loss of a job and also working through the trauma of losing a job, like when you've been laid off and redefining self-worth when so much of it is tied up in having a job and then also shame ah around not having a job and things like that. So it was just something that came up when for me when she was talking about kind of that whole, who are you if not
00:24:10
Speaker
job. And so especially when trying to put things together for yourself, it's like, yeah, you get to define that, you know, like instead of just taking on a job, it's like she's redefining who is she is in relation to a job, but then also like how and important that job has to be in define, like in her own definition of herself, if that makes any sense.
00:24:35
Speaker
Mm hmm. And to like really do something and she could do multiple things that yeah that she really enjoys and that like you never think could be a job. But and she's like, all right, I found out it can be and I'm going do it.
00:24:51
Speaker
It doesn't have to look like right the way that everybody else thinks of like, oh, you must do this kind of work. And that's how you define who you are and what your worth is. And yeah.
00:25:04
Speaker
If you made it up a ladder. Yes. Right. A ladder that you do not care about at all. So that was my little thought. Cause I know when I got laid off, I really, i mean, and I remember my sister saying, she's like, it's kind of like you were in an abusive relationship. Cause it was a job I really didn't like and was miserable about and felt horrible in And yet when I was laid off, I was devastated. And she's like, it's like you were in an abusive relationship and you wanted out of it, but you wanted to be the one to break up with them. Like, you can't believe like, what do you mean you broke up with me? Like I was supposed to break up with you, you know?
00:25:51
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And obviously that's not what happened with Marissa. she She is the one who chose to end the relationship. But just again, back to like jobs and things like that.
00:26:02
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it is amazing just how much of a mind F it can be. Yeah. i mean, it takes up so much your of your time and your life and your energy. And there's so many places that are just not, they're just dysfunctional.
00:26:17
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So it's just the the likelihood that this will happen where, you know, it's that abusive relationship or even just not great relationship. And yeah then you're like,
00:26:31
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ah But i'm I'm better than you. You can't let me go. like he said Then you're like, but am I? Oh, no. Maybe I'm not. oh hu Yeah.
00:26:45
Speaker
And then you go somewhere else and you're you're like, wait a minute. There are better places. Or you're like, there are worse places, but you don't know until you until you move around. Until you try it.
00:26:56
Speaker
Right. Yeah. I remember someone who I used to work with would be like, yeah, no, I know it's bad, but I'd rather the devil I know than the devil I don't. And I was like, but there's no guarantee that there's another devil. Like it's not like everywhere we go, but maybe it is, you know, and it's, and as my mom used to always say to me growing up, if ever everywhere you go, it stinks.
00:27:19
Speaker
Think about it. but What's the common denominator here? if if You might be the devil. um Maybe. but Or you're in a field where there's a lot of devils.
00:27:33
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you Yeah. So I don't know. so cool that she's just like switching gears. It's very inspiring. And I cannot wait to hear update from her.
00:27:48
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder. I hope it it's, I'm just thinking about what she said about, she's like, if I could be an escort, I would. I was like, wow. yeah This is like a great career path for you.
00:28:02
Speaker
be like, just very enjoyable. Yes, exactly. And it's so opposite of like, well, I don't know about you, but like my like very buttoned up, like kind of, you know, and so way of being in the world. Yeah, I get uncomfortable even if I like think someone's flirting. I'm like, oh, when is this going to end?
00:28:25
Speaker
You know, like much less to build a entire relationship job kind of around that like tension, you know? Yeah. You're like, okay, is our time up yet? oh Who's going comment this?
00:28:44
Speaker
Yeah, and if I wear a shirt that's like a little bit low cut, sometimes I'll ask Adam, I'm like, is this too low cut or is this just too
Personal Projects & Creative Assignments
00:28:51
Speaker
racy? He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Is this too racy? It's just like, you can't even see any cleavage. I'm like, oh.
00:29:03
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but But my chest, my cervical, no, cervical's down. Well, whatever. I couldn't think of part of your body. My skin. My car body.
00:29:18
Speaker
Well, how how did the assignment go for you? I mean, ah imagine probably similar like feelings of anxiety. Yes. And especially because I have a teenager who lives with me.
00:29:33
Speaker
and you know, my sister and her two younger kids live above me. And so I'm like, I'm like, where am I going to record this? When am I going to record this? Even just like looking up. So what I decided to do, okay, the assignment that she gave for me was to do a recording.
00:29:50
Speaker
So what i decided to do with that is to find an existing piece to record versus writing my own. Cause I was like, I cannot. So even when I was just like looking on Goodreads, I was like, oh my gosh, are people who are like, I'm friends, connected with on Goodreads going to see what I've been but searching? Like i didn't even, and was like and so goofy about it. And I was like, this is not a big deal.
00:30:19
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So yes, I felt really uncomfortable with the whole thing, but in a way that was like very good, you know, and like necessary. I wasn't like, ah, this is uncomfortable. I don't feel safe. You know, it was like, you are, you're being ridiculous and this is a good place to push yourself.
00:30:39
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And also in the reading of it, it's like, oh, okay. You know, cause I do some voiceover stuff for at work for videos. And even when I do that, I'm like, oh, I'm kind of,
00:30:52
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I have a Chicago accent, but also like, um, I can sometimes notice like vocal fry or things like that, you know, that I'm like, uh, but this it's like, you have to read it in a way that's like sexy.
00:31:12
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preferably so like how what how to do that and that like it feels really uncomfortable to try to be sexy especially for like not that this will ever see the light of day but like for an unknown audience you know like at least and when you're in a relationship you kind of like can read like you know what that other person enjoys and so you're it's for that you know what i mean like and and so yeah it was just it was uncomfortable and also a really good push yeah yeah yeah that's like exactly how I feel how I felt we so how did the recording itself like did you get to that point where you were like oh right so ah it's funny because she was like it it doesn't you never have to see it as I'm like taking off my sweater I'm like
00:32:07
Speaker
I'm getting warm. um But she was like, it never needs to see the light of day. And it's like, okay, you could just do it as a voice thing on your phone. And I was like, okay. And so I did. And then like kept it for a little while. And then I was like, i have to delete this. What if somebody finds it? Attach it to a task. Yeah.
00:32:31
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um But I did. and it And that was the part, like, because I live with a teenager, I was like, when do I record this? And so he, thankfully he goes to school during the day. And so like during a lunch break at work, I also like during the day and my dog's just kind of like looking at me. o going yeah
00:32:56
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yeah i love yeah I think just did a little portion of it. Like I was like, i'm not going read a whole bunch, but okay. But your assignment was to write. yeah You gave yourself the assignment.
00:33:09
Speaker
Wait, no, no, no. Marissa gave it to me. Okay. She, she, I don't know that I would have given myself this assignment. It was to write ah piece of erotica where, uh, at the end you find out that it's, you know, the, the narrator having sex with an orca and that's the the killer whale, right?
00:33:34
Speaker
We started at orcs and we ended up at orcas. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yes. Yes. Because i apparently I get them mixed up. They're both killers. You
00:33:51
Speaker
was like procrastinating. And then like I had this dream about it. And it wasn't like a fun, sexy dream. It was like a dream where I was procrastinating writing it.
00:34:06
Speaker
and then then like finally i was like okay gotta do it and then i but but like i think part of the the issue is like was like am i gonna have to research orcas yeah addict to this be and then i was thinking i'm like what does this mean that i'm like procrastinating this? does Is it because like, i you know, I'm just like not in touch with my sexual self enough? and And then like, finally, I was like, I think it means think it means I'm not attracted to orcas. And I think that that's fine.
00:34:38
Speaker
You know, in our lives where we all have to admit that.
00:34:48
Speaker
And then I finally was like, like once I realized that, i was like, okay, it's okay. And then I felt like free to actually write it. Just a creative arts assignment, right? A creative writing. like Exactly.
00:35:03
Speaker
But before that, I was like, am to have to make this funny? and it But like it can't not be. hey yeah so So where do you like have the line of funny versus serious sex?
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. um Well, i kind of mixed it up. I can read you a couple of lines that are ah if suitable for podcasting lines. Love it. and Okay. um Let me see.
00:35:30
Speaker
Okay. All right i'll just ah right. I'll just read until it gets gets a little racy. Okay. All right. I've been waiting for this for so long.
00:35:41
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Ever since I read in Wikipedia that you have, quote, a good sense of touch. I'm a little afraid and for good reason. Your nickname is killer after all. Your tiny teeth are razor sharp, but somehow you don't draw blood as you gently rip each of the buttons off my sheer blouse. Okay, that's enough.
00:36:02
Speaker
And if you want more, folks, you better <unk>s way forever.
00:36:10
Speaker
and
00:36:12
Speaker
Oh my gosh. So wait, okay. You don't have to read anymore, but like how much of something did you write? Like a paragraph? Let's see. oh It's like, it's in my notes thing. So it's not huge, but oh then it gets a little kind of racy. And then it turns out, you know, we're on the beach.
00:36:31
Speaker
So that's your, that's one of your, there's a lot of clues that it's an orca, but you know, like the teeny tiny teeth and then. Teeny tiny teeth. Oh my God. Yuck.
00:36:42
Speaker
And then at the end, don't know, this might not be suitable for us. and You're so big. i wish I could be inside you. yeah
00:36:55
Speaker
See, if you on Wikipedia, they show you like the size of an orca compared to the size of a human. And really, you could just live inside an orca, I think. Well, wasn't that a part of like that old original Pinocchio story? Didn't they like end up inside of the orca?
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah, like a blue whale, though, I think. Yeah. Or like, round put's blue whale but like, yeah, in the belly of a whale. Yeah. I remember like seeing photos where they like even had like a camera candle lit, you know, like a little mask and stuff. it's Like, I don't know how that all got in there, too.
00:37:24
Speaker
So how did it feel to write it? I mean, ah besides the fact that it was an orca, like, yeah. the erotic part of things once I got past the fact that like I'm not naturally attracted to an orca and I'm very grateful for that then i I started to be like okay well you could see how like a creature that is always wet could be ah could be sexy you know and then it's very what dominant uh-huh exactly that yeah that's another part of it too
00:38:01
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And, you know, it there's like it's very right powerful. So, yeah, there are some ways that i was like, okay, okay, I can get, I can see where that could go, um which is interesting.
00:38:15
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I did also have the idea that i was like, maybe i should write one that's about orcs. Because I showed you those pictures from the internet and some some of those orcs are and um nice looking. Some of them are terrible looking, but.
00:38:29
Speaker
Right, right. But it's like, okay, no, I'm going to choose one of the nice looking ones. Yeah, yeah. And they're humanoid. so we're acceptable. Right. You don't have to choose. Like, are we going to live in the ocean? We're...
00:38:42
Speaker
You can survive or on the beach where I can survive. Exactly. Yeah. I didn't want to get into the whole, do you have enough? Can you breathe? Like, are you okay? Like that's less sexy. Stop checking in on me. Stop asking if I'm okay.
00:39:03
Speaker
Okay. But like, you really seem like you're dying. Regular. but Regular. Affirmative, what's that? What is it up for consent? Regular, enthusiastic consent.
00:39:18
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, yeah. um So do you think that this will like open up your interest in including any kind of romantic or erotic kind of pieces in your other writings?
00:39:38
Speaker
I don't know if it would do like a whole piece, but I probably would add a little more sexy time in the novel. Because right now it's like, yeah, i do have one scene where it's like cut to black, you know, and and next morning.
00:39:53
Speaker
And then I have ah another one, which I, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with, but it's, it's like, that one's an odd one. Cause it's, it's like, this character is like, and and it was so sexy, but also kind of motherly. Like it it's like a very,
00:40:11
Speaker
but it's like not sexy in that way where I'm like, she felt warm and, you know, comforting, like a mother, you know, like that just keeps on like coming in his head. It's maternal. Yes.
00:40:26
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Like, oh well, maybe have to do like a more actual sexy one. Yeah. Or yeah, like the, instead of fading to black, it's like, do you include a little bit more of it, even if it's not all of it or something?
00:40:43
Speaker
Yeah. Interesting. <unk> what What about you? Any voiceover potential? Nothing. It's like, I know you are a writer and you're writing a novel, you know? So it's like, there's a direct potential application. You're ah you're a voiceover.
00:41:04
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perhaps so Maybe don't do it at work, but... Yeah. like What about for these ah fourth graders that are going to be watching this video on grammar? What if we just sex it up a little?
00:41:19
Speaker
you They say that their attention span's real short, but...
00:41:24
Speaker
to like chairing mean I also think that um there' there's probably a market for like people who really want to hear erotica read by somebody who you know feels really awkward about it. a Yeah.
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah. Market for everything. That's so true. That's what OnlyFans is for.
00:41:49
Speaker
So what would you say in terms of accessibility? very accessible. I did it on the notes app on my phone and that actually made it, I have found, and this is so sad, but when I can do certain things on my phone, like instead of my computer, it feels less hard. Yes.
00:42:08
Speaker
Yes. And then and not just, not because it's hard to get my computer out, even if I'm already on my computer, it's just like, cause now like, being on the phone is associated with like dopamine probably, you know, like, or it just like, Oh, I like to be on my phone and
Writing Mediums & Book Availability
00:42:23
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I'm rewarded for that. And so even doing something that's not giving me a big hit of dopamine, like just feels easier.
00:42:31
Speaker
I agree with you on that. A hundred percent. There's just something about as soon as and a laptop is involved, I'm like, oh, it's so much more work to do it. It's like, it's not at all, but it's just a different like mindset or it feels like you're more committed to it or like whatever. Yeah. Like, oh, I gotta be doing this for, like I gotta be like sitting up.
00:42:50
Speaker
yeah A table needs to be involved or at least my lap. oh good Yeah. That's when it's very, very true. Like I've even found that with, with my laptop, like yesterday I ended up sitting at like a different table and part of my apartment and I was like, oh, this feels kind of fun.
00:43:12
Speaker
Like, you know, you my work instead of at my desk at the set, you know, like I was like, okay, that's good. That's good to notice. Like changing it up today.
00:43:23
Speaker
Yeah. um I also think it's pretty accessible because even when I was looking in the library, like they have sections where it's romance, but varying levels of those. So if you're interested in reading it, they are available, which is great.
00:43:43
Speaker
And then kind of like we talked about with Marissa, there are websites where, you know, the internet, you can find anything now, but there are websites that are curated for you to be able to find whatever kind of thing that you're interested in to listen to or read, you know, so i think that's really cool.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, and I think it's a way that you can realize that there's like, you know, if you're interested in something and you feel like, oh, am I weird? if it you know, no, there's somebody who's interested in everything. There's a group, you know, there's there's people who are on the same page, most likely as you. Yeah.
00:44:28
Speaker
Yeah,
Podcast Review & Closing Remarks
00:44:29
Speaker
that is good. And then I don't know if I had mentioned this other podcast while we were with Marissa or not. I think I did. But basically, she reads different erotica.
00:44:41
Speaker
She has different authors of erotica. And then she also has friends on where they review different erotica books. So it's very fun. There's one where, have you heard of this podcast? Somebody was telling me about it. It's like the person who does the podcast, I think maybe her dad wrote romance novels or something.
00:45:02
Speaker
And then she and her friends read the romance novels. i can't, if I'm going to have to figure out what that was. and do you know there's one that's like, my dad wrote a porno. you' Okay, maybe that's what it is. Yeah. guy who like After his dad passes away, they find this porno that he wrote.
00:45:18
Speaker
up in like the attic and they all read it Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That must be it. ah Oh, that's so funny. um yeah Too stupid to live romance reviews, $5 and under.
00:45:33
Speaker
Very accessible. Yeah. So too stupid to live is her main one. And she's a comedian. Very funny, but so that was, that was very fun. You have a lot of interesting folks that you, you know,
00:45:48
Speaker
I was going to say have met since moving there, but it's even before then. So yay. Another wonderful, interesting thing.
00:46:00
Speaker
Where we get to stretch our boundaries. sure And, and yeah, truly like try something really like just different. Yeah. I really liked it.
00:46:14
Speaker
I did too. So thank you, Marissa. Thank you, Marissa. And stay interesting. Stay interesting. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to today's episode.
00:46:26
Speaker
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