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24- Can Javier Interest You In...Celebrity Gossip?
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In this episode, we get the inside scoop on celebrity gossip from Javier Delgado, former social media content creator to the stars, as well as longtime celebrity gossip connoisseur. He tells us about his love of entertainment news, and how it’s evolved over the years.
We start the episode with some catchup, including learning how Javier and Patti know each other, and about the film Patti and friends made about Javier (which should definitely have a cult following). We learn about what working in the entertainment industry has to do with social work (more than you think!).
Then we get into celebrity gossip through the decades:
The ’90s - Golden Age of Who Wore It Best? People and US Weekly. Publicists spinning, always.
The 2000s - The dawn of blogs, websites, and scrutinizing celebrities. (Bonus: Which tiny celebrity did Charlotte dress as for Halloween?)
The 2010s and beyond - How social media has changed celebrity gossip. Even the word celebrity started to take on a new meaning with the age of reality stars.
Then Javier tells us what it’s like to post on Instagram for celebrity accounts. We talk ALL ABOUT the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni drama: the accusations, the feuds, and the receipts!
And we get some very fun homework!
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Transcript
Introduction & Listener Invitation
00:00:00
Speaker
You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
00:00:15
Speaker
We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?
Meet Javier Delgado
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey, Charlotte. Hey, Patti. And I'm very excited to introduce today our guest, Javier Delgado. Hey, Javi. hi Good morning, everybody. good morning. Good morning.
00:00:48
Speaker
Or good afternoon for me. oh yeah. It's still morning in the the West Coast. Yeah. Are you in l LA? Is that right? Yes. So I'm in Studio City, so north of Hollywood, but yeah, the Los Angeles area. Yeah.
00:01:04
Speaker
I feel like I haven't seen you in, don't know, like a decade. Oh yeah, I guess in person we haven't seen each other like decade. Nice to see you. did you know that well Did you know that Charlotte lives in Colorado now?
00:01:19
Speaker
death think you met, was this, have you been there for more than two years? Yeah, yeah since just before COVID. Yeah, then yeah that that sounds familiar. Like you did tell me last time we met up, Patty.
00:01:30
Speaker
Uh-huh. We are kind of close. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird. And then also Charlotte's parents were living in LA for, well, just outside, right? or They were like right in between LA and San Diego. they were like Laguna Woods.
00:01:44
Speaker
or Recently? 55 plus people. No, they, well, they moved out here a little after COVID and like a little after their youngest grandson was born. So he's like definitely the reason they came, but they still have a place out there, but they rented out, but they were living out there for a while.
High School & College Memories
00:02:02
Speaker
I've been in LA for almost 12 years now.
00:02:08
Speaker
that's That's how I met Patty. We met in high school. Yeah. In plays. Oh, is that how? Mm hmm. Yeah. So he went Javier went to an all boys school and I went to an all girls school. And so for their drama club, they needed to have girls like basically brought in from other schools. And so my friend Chris, who I grew up next door to, he went to that same school and he was like, oh, yeah, you should try out. And I was like, OK. And then, yeah, Javier and I became like super fast friends. He was also really good friends with um someone else I went to grammar school with, Keith. And so then, yeah, so that was another way. We were all roommates in college. We were then going to college together. Yeah, well, we didn't right away. But then, yeah, our sophomore year, we all ended up at the same school for some time. Yeah. I only made it one semester. It was too much. Or too little, which was it? It was like in a very small town in Minnesota along the Mississippi River. And yeah, just maybe not exactly your speed. Yeah, but I have really great memories from that time.
00:03:23
Speaker
but like, that's my that was my college experience with you guys. so Yeah. Yeah, very fun. It was very fun. When Javier moved away, um the remaining roommates, we made this video um to NSYNC's Gone. Wow.
00:03:39
Speaker
And so we were like lip syncing and we were like, you know, because Javier was gone. And then we even submitted it in a like and film festival at the school.
00:03:52
Speaker
yeah It was pretty cringy, but we knew that like, you know, we knew that.
Cringe Culture & Career Shift
00:03:57
Speaker
it it cringy Did it get shown? Did it win? It got it got shown. OK, OK. I mean, I was told that the winner of that contest was somebody smashing a Mac computer.
00:04:08
Speaker
some Or a Macintosh. Or a Maybe. Yeah. So that's really what they were going for. yeah They won just for the the expense that they had to go to to make that.
00:04:23
Speaker
yeah not They didn't base it on creativity. Otherwise, you guys you guys had it a thousand percent. And also, back then, cringe was not as popular as it has become. So if it was now, clearly you'd win.
00:04:37
Speaker
We probably don't even know, but the video probably has a ah cult following.
00:04:44
Speaker
That would be so hilarious if it did. It's like people send it around as memes, like different pieces to like people.
00:04:58
Speaker
Oh, I would love it. Maybe that's why people sometimes look at me like, you know. know It's one of the first parody videos. That's how long ago it was. It the first.
00:05:14
Speaker
The of its kind. um So Javier has like a million and one interest. What is the interest that you're going to tell us about today?
00:05:25
Speaker
Well, so I guess this would be an ongoing interest. Yeah. I guess it's a mix of like entertainment news, celebrity gossip, Um, and just kind of how, like, and by it's always been like my go-to since I was a teenager.
00:05:42
Speaker
So, um, yeah. And it's just evolved so much in the last 30, 40 years. Um, I moved out here to l LA, like I said, like 12 years ago after going to film school and I just kind of gravitated towards publicity.
00:05:56
Speaker
Um, so I got to work with a lot of talent and then I did that for a couple of years and then I moved on to talent coordinator. So I got to work with a lot of like actors and celebrities for panels, um which was a lot of fun. And then like pandemic happened and, you know, things change, like your values. Like I think I so i i realized that I was more of an introvert than I was an extrovert. So after the pandemic, I just kind of, I was okay not being around a lot of people all the time. um And then just working from home was an option that a lot of people had and just kind of stuck with me.
Jewel's Wellness Festival & Social Work
00:06:36
Speaker
You had been working on Jewel's tour, right? Like right before the pandemic, was that or... Yep. So Jewel the singer had a, it was like a wellness, wellness festival. And it was also funded by Kroger.
00:06:55
Speaker
And it was like a week long thing in Cincinnati. We did, it we also did it in Colorado. And we had like, panels, which I was in charge of kind of coordinating all the talent that we're going to be there for different things that they were going to discuss. And, you know, through that, I got to meet Perez Hilton. That was pretty cool.
00:07:13
Speaker
Since I'd been reading his blog since, you know, the 2000s. Yeah, celebrity gossip, like entrepreneur. Yeah, the original gossip girl.
00:07:26
Speaker
Yeah. And then after pandemic, I kind of did the switch to social work because a lot of the same communication and coordinating skills that you have for ah Talent also works for mental health patients and inner city kids.
00:07:40
Speaker
so Wait, are you did you go to school for social work then after? i didn't. Okay, so you're like but you're working with the kids now? and Yeah, so I'm a coordinator and i do I work with the fetal alcohol syndrome disorder clinic. I do like the coordinating between like families coming in for assessments And then I also do presentations on PowerPoint or things with animation for like parent classes or things for like presentations for like train other employees.
00:08:13
Speaker
So you went from celebrity world to world.
00:08:20
Speaker
And i don't want to say real celebrity world is real, right? Even if it appears like a veneer to ah to the rest of us, but then than to a whole different group of people with a whole different set of needs.
00:08:34
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. So then celebrity entertainment gossip is your interest? Oh, yes. Well, so I'll just ah kind of wrap up the last thing. so working in social work, you do a lot of these like trainings on like feelings and things. And one of our the tips were like to keep it light when you watch TV. And before this, I was like obsessed with murder shows. So yeah.
00:08:59
Speaker
When I was working with talent, all I would see with murder shows, I could not see movies with people I'd seen at work. It it was just like nuts. Oh, um So now, like working here, I'm like, I do not want to see murder shows. It just wrecks my day.
00:09:13
Speaker
So like, I'm back into celebrity news, keeping it light. it's just easier to sleep at night. i've I've been obsessed with this since I was a teenager. I remember using some of my allowance money just to like buy People magazine, Us Weekly. And that was, you know, during the 90s when I was like the pre-internet era when things were just more published things. Yeah, and you had to like wait for updates and... Yeah, and everything was very curated by publicists. This is when like publicists were at their peak. They created the narrative, they knew like,
00:09:48
Speaker
who their stars were and how to keep them in the spotlight.
Celebrity Gossip & 1990s Nostalgia
00:09:52
Speaker
And i don't know if you guys remember some of the the things that were big in the nineties were like the best and worst dress lists. Who wore it better?
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah. ah My brother used to play this game. It was like, Oh no, it wasn't who wore it better. It was like celebrities are just like us like us. Yeah. And he would be like,
00:10:15
Speaker
The game is either you name the celebrity and then you guess what they were doing or you name what they were doing and you guess the celebrity. which Pumping gas. yeah I still I still like will say that like I'll be like celebrities. They're just like us. Like I still reference that phrase.
00:10:32
Speaker
um Living in l LA, you do see a lot of like celebrities doing random things and you'll do like a double take. I saw one of the real housewives at Costco once. Which one?
00:10:44
Speaker
Do you remember? She's not on it anymore. She was the younger Asian housewife that was married to the Lion King. oh yeah. Crystal. Crystal, yes. So...
00:10:55
Speaker
um I think maybe just from watching the show, you just kind of like from, you know, get familiar with the person. So when I saw her in the crowd, I had like one of those like, oh, I know you. Hey, like one of those reactions, which she also did one of those those like, why are you looking at me? And then I realized like I don't know this person.
00:11:13
Speaker
so Yes, but I just kind of like turned away and I'm pretty sure she was just kind of weirded out by like how I was like looking at at her like I knew her. She has to get that a lot, right?
00:11:24
Speaker
If she's going to Costco by like on her own, she's going there for that reaction. Yes, she is so rich. but How'd she get that rich? um Her husband was one of the animators or whatever of The Lion King. And she also has her own um line of coconut water. Oh, okay.
00:11:47
Speaker
They're both rich. i mean it's mostly from him i was thinking she got rich by going to costco like and stealing all her money but no that'll that's not how well you never know she was probably just out of coffee and had to like a quick make a quick run and didn't know like a difference between a regular grocery store and costco she's like this looks like it was coffee i just followed the car in front of me and suddenly i'm in here But she was one of my favorite housewives. I think because maybe we're around the same age. So I kind of related to the things that she didn't know about.
00:12:19
Speaker
so especially Or the things she did where she was like, she had to explain to one of the housewives, stra Sutton Strack, why it was no longer okay to say, i don't see color.
00:12:33
Speaker
So she explained that, that why it's not okay to say that.
Digital Media's Impact on Celebrity Gossip
00:12:37
Speaker
All right. Good for her. She explained a lot. They were at a party once and they were playing Michael Jackson. And she was telling everybody at the table that this was problematic, that they should not be playing Michael Jackson. But then Kathy Hilton was at that table and then said, I went to high school with him. was like, did she? did she i I mean, hey, I.
00:13:02
Speaker
why which Why would she lie? um I remember once, because I also love celebrity gossip and such. And so like this was something that you and I definitely bonded over and spent many, many hundreds of hours talking about. And I remember once we were in the car, maybe going on a ski trip.
00:13:27
Speaker
And someone you were dating at the time was like, you like I can't remember exactly what it was that he said, but it was like very clear that we had no substance is what he was trying to get at.
00:13:44
Speaker
And I was like... I remember that day. i don't remember the specific words. I do remember the person. oh But they did say something along the lines where it was like, it's just you guys are just talking and like there's like no like valid information coming out of that. I was like, I don't i don't agree.
00:14:05
Speaker
and I'm kind of offended, but also like, what? yeah that That didn't last very, that relationship didn't last after that. Right, right. Related, maybe. um Because gossip is great.
00:14:19
Speaker
yeah It's so great. Especially if it's like on a superficial level where it doesn't really like... well yeah yeah like certain people that's true but you're not like it's not like spreading gossip that's gonna like harm somebody and um but i yeah back in that day ah like the high school days and college and for a while i was really obsessed with with it too um but i think it was because of those magazines right like everybody knew what everybody was doing that they wanted people to know about And I also like I have a really bad memory, but I could always remember like what actor had been in what movie had been in this other thing with this person. And then they got together with this person. I was like, how am I remembering all of this? I must be like a savant. And and then I kind of like just fell out of it. But I I really love this as an interest because it's always been like, yeah, something that I'm really into.
00:15:24
Speaker
Pleasure. Mm-hmm. it's just like you know i think well so okay in college i had an interview that i was going to and i went to college near boston and then i went to like an internship interview i was going to new new jersey where i live and then i was going to go to an interview in new york city for us weekly And then i was going to take the bus and it snowed so bad. i couldn't take the bus. And then they never rescheduled it because they probably get so many people interviewing for those internships that they just already had somebody. And so I never got it. But I always think about what would my life be if? Yes. Yes. Like they they hired somebody who could walk there from their apartment, yeah right? Like so the snow didn't bother them. And what are those like, is it the Hearst building or whatever? I'm trying to picture like it's been in movies, it's been in shows, you know, like the huge escalators of that big building that has all of the different like Condé Nast and all of those magazine owners and
00:16:31
Speaker
It was probably like the Devil Wears Prada, but with celebrity magazines. But that I wouldn't fit in there. I mean, I would have shown up and they would have been like, no thanks. But but still, you know, you never know.
00:16:44
Speaker
That's exciting. what were What was the internship for? Like, what would you have been doing? I have no idea. Probably just whatever grunt work they kind of want you to do. I was an English major, so maybe I would be doing some editing or something. But like, I mean, like proofreading editing.
00:16:59
Speaker
Yeah, right, right. And then somebody else actually like checks my work. would Would this have been like for the print and website times? I believe this was before the website time was really a ah time, because it would have been like 2000. Yeah, it was lot of so yeah Yeah.
00:17:22
Speaker
Yeah. Well, so bringing it back to the 2000s. So this is when like the Internet started taking over and blogs and websites were just reporting. Clickbait. This is when Perez Hilton got really big. OK, so it would have been maybe.
00:17:38
Speaker
And scrutinizing celebrities was really big during this time. Yeah. Which oh yeah we saw the fall of a lot of lot of people. But from that, you know we as the public still read about them, like I wanted to know everything that was going on with Britney. oh like yeah. Like Boris and whatever. So like we all contributed to that.
00:18:02
Speaker
But what what are some of like the crazy stories from like the 2000s? Do you guys remember that were really big on the internet? Well, one of the blogs that I would read all the time was, was it Pink is the New Black?
00:18:17
Speaker
ah Is that what that was? Jared somebody. Oh, I loved that one. That was like one of my absolute favorite blogs to read. Because he wasn't as bitchy as Perez, although still had all the gossip and was still pretty bitchy. um
Celebrity Scandals & Media Treatment
00:18:35
Speaker
Okay, yeah. What were some of the best stories from that time? Of course, the Britney meltdown, which was so sad. The umbrella in the oh yeah car of the paparazzi.
00:18:47
Speaker
The bare feet in the um bathroom at the gas station. oh yeah. And that was before the... Oh, conservatorship. Yeah. very Definitely before that. And was this also kind of the time would Brad and Angelina have been there? Like um mrs Mr. and Mrs. Smith affair would have come out around that time. What era was that? but That was big time. That was like 2005. Yeah. The big, oh she stole Brad from Jennifer. Yeah.
00:19:27
Speaker
um Oh, do you guys remember the big Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes? Oh, the couch. Yeah, when he jumped up on the couch at, was it Oprah's show? Oprah, oh yeah. yeah Right, because like most of us didn't see it on Oprah, but then we got to see it a million times over on those blogs.
00:19:45
Speaker
they The weird thing about that was after all these things had come out about, oh, it's some sort of arrangement, they don't really like each other, and like Tom Cruise went on the show to like say no this is real and I'm really in love with her which just kind of made it even more weird yeah it definitely made everybody be like nope we were right thou doth protest too much oh and then Suri Cruz oh she was all everywhere she was I dressed as her for Halloween one year i remember that yes forgot that very it was very accurate yes thank you my hair was on point
00:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, because that's then when like celebrities' children became a thing because we could start seeing them. And that was a lot of kids were being photographed at that time. Yeah, which then was a big debate, too, because then they were all upset about the paparazzi being too close to their kids.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, like now you would never see, I don't even know what Siri's up to. Yeah. I think she just turned 21 or she's in her early Wow. Wow.
00:21:00
Speaker
And I only know that because I was at the grocery store and i think it was like Esquire magazine. They still print that. Really? Yeah. um Said it was like, yeah.
00:21:11
Speaker
Tom Cruise spends Home Alone Suri's birthday party or something like that. And I was like, what? Yeah, her 21st birthday party or something. What was Madonna up to in those days? Because I feel like she was also, like, she and, oh well, of course, hello, Michael Jackson was, I mean, I know we were just talking about him in another context, but, like, he and his children were, like, very much all on the blogs and like the weird behavior and the covering of the face and who's the mother sorry guys that's the cat and she was like I don't know not done don but sorry we were talking about Michael Jackson um that and crazy he died in 2007 yeah do you guys know that Farrah Fawcett also died on the same day no Michael Jackson
00:22:10
Speaker
But she got so little attention because of him, right? Yeah. It was like her an announcement came out in morning and then his was later in the afternoon and people just kind of like forgot.
00:22:21
Speaker
Yeah. did Did she die from, was it like cancer or something? Yeah. She had breast cancer. Breast cancer. Yeah. And she's also one of those phenomenons that she was only on Charlie's Angels for like one season or two and That's her show. That's what people remember her. Totally. Like her entire career was based on that.
00:22:43
Speaker
um While we're talking about deaths, the Heath Ledger death, I remember when that was announced, that was major. And then the like connections, like trying to figure out the connections with like the Olsen sisters and all of, oh well, and then the Olsen sisters on blogs. I mean, they were, that was huge. We were like watching them in their,
00:23:06
Speaker
oversized grandma outfits just walking and smoking cigs everywhere they went do you remember how mean people were when like like to today's standards like people are normal now but back then everybody was like oh this person gained so much weight when like today that's a normal sized person oh my gosh yes or anybody that like got a facelift like compared to now like they looked way better back then Yeah, but they pointed all that stuff out that kind of mean.
00:23:36
Speaker
Well, and and like the opposite for the Olsen twins, they'd be like, they're so skinny. They're so skinny. They're probably anorexic. And it's like, whoa, should we be talking about that? like There were a lot of like blind items reports where be like, starlet with identical twins seeing snorting questionable powder at the ladies room at Soho house.
00:24:03
Speaker
you know, god I'll click on that. Yes. Yes. I wanted to know it all. Yeah. Or it'd be like, Oh, insider of like onset says a certain blonde diva does this and this. And then everybody's like, Oh my God, they're talking about so-and-so.
Social Media's Influence on Celebrity Culture
00:24:23
Speaker
So that was a big chunk of like the 2008 and nine. And this is Crazy that you know Instagram, like social media has taken over like everything. And like a lot of people say, oh, it's going to take over photography, which like anybody can be a photographer on Instagram. um But when this came about, this was kind of like when a lot of celebrities took back kind of like their nerd narratives, and they were posting what they wanted, and they were doing like interactions with their fans. Oh, that's a good point.
00:25:00
Speaker
And that's when a lot of like things like, ah well, not so much Perez Hilton, but a lot of like websites that were you know reporting whatever's lost their following and people were going straight to the source.
00:25:12
Speaker
The Kardashian sisters are go to this restaurant. I'm going to go there because I saw her there, not because I saw it at the magazine, not the news, at the grocery store. Yeah, no, that's such a good point. Because not only is it real time, but then it's also whatever those people want to put out.
00:25:30
Speaker
And more people could be putting out because it's not just whoever us weekly decided to show, you know, it's like, okay, I never Yeah, yeah, I never got in the who wore it better, but I'll put my own things which then is where it gets a little overwhelming at this. I know we're not there yet. We're not at present day yet, but I sometimes get overwhelmed to be like, is it that I'm because I'm older, I'm not as in touch with celebrity culture, or is it just that celebrity culture has expanded so much because
00:26:08
Speaker
that everyone can kind of make themselves a character, a celebrity, a personality, you know, that it's like a YouTube star, a TikTok star, even all of the actors and things like that. I'll be like, i i sound like such an old lady. I'll be like, who's that now? Who was at the award shows? I don't even know them. You know, it's like, oh god It's probably, I wonder if it's both. I have that same feeling all the time. But then if you are in some, you know all about the reality show world, then you're going to know more versus like, oh, I'm super into music. But it used to be like, we might all know a little bit about all those things because there's only so much you could fit in a magazine.
00:26:52
Speaker
And you digest it like a week at a time or a month at a time. And then now it's like daily, several times a day that there's stuff out that people are putting out. Yeah.
00:27:05
Speaker
One of your other talks, you guys commented on how Instagram doesn't show you the people that you follow. Yeah. But they're just like suggestions. And then like you realize that you've only seen like one or two posts of the people you actually follow. Yeah.
00:27:21
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that happens to me a lot too. And then you find yourself following so many people. And then, but I do have like, I go back and search for like the specific ones. Like I'm always following up on like Britney Spears.
00:27:37
Speaker
Who else? Zac Efron. Just like my favorites. Just like how they're doing. Make sure nobody's posting anything embarrassing. i do get those. where it's like, I think it's like Hollywood exposed or whatever. And then it'll look like a clickbait and it'll be just like a awful picture of somebody. They're like, oh, they're breakdown. Click on link on the bio or whatever. And then you go and it's like nothing.
00:28:02
Speaker
And you have to like click through a million times just to get to the nothing. i i was doing that ah for a while. And again, this is probably like 10 years ago where they'd be like, where are all the child stars from the Sandlot now? And I'd be like, oh my God, I want to know. And then I'd like have to click through for like forever. And it would just be like,
00:28:22
Speaker
They never showed me. and I was like, oh, they're like, no, we're asking. We want to know. Please report here where they are. Where is squints? I don't know.
00:28:36
Speaker
I've seen some of the really awful ones where they'll use like a filter on somebody. Or like a picture of somebody that kind of looks like them and it's like, oh, this is them now. And then you click and it's like, not them.
00:28:48
Speaker
This is what you would expect them to look like, but this is them. This is not a missing persons thing. We don't need to like say, what would they look like now? Like they exist. Oh, they...
00:29:03
Speaker
um During that time when people were taking over their own like Instagram narrative and all that, I was really following very closely Mandy Moore's house renovation.
00:29:16
Speaker
Oh, because there where was she living? She is living in the Hollywood Hills ah with her husband and her husband, the lead singer from Dawes.
00:29:28
Speaker
And I was so happy for her because of the whole Ryan Adams, Mandy Moore, horrible debacle. And so like after a while, I was like oh like, I'm very invested in this house renovation. And somehow she's made it so that I feel like like we're really good friends. you know like If I saw her somewhere, I'd be like, how's that bathroom? So yeah, it was really effective.
00:29:53
Speaker
But then it kind of got to be little too much to to keep track of. like I mean, the house was renovated, so like the content after that was... And it wasn't as continuous. I don't know. Is it still like the same now? Or is it a lot of people hiring people to do the stuff for them? That's a good question. So um when I worked in publicity, I ran some social media accounts.
00:30:20
Speaker
And I had just like a schedule of things that I had to post weekly for like, either an episode that they were going featured on or like, Oh, I'll be at this place. Come check me out or something.
00:30:32
Speaker
But at the same time, like they would also control it and like post the most random things. And like the verbiage or like just what we were talking about sometimes didn't was a little off.
00:30:45
Speaker
There were times when on the comments would be like, is this the same person? is this a bot writing for him? Did you have to try to be like the person? Like you have to try to hear their voice and then post in their voice?
00:31:01
Speaker
So what I would do is I went back to like previous posts and saw kind of like the things that they would post about. So there was this one client who like had posted about flowers twice a month. It was like a flower post and it would come from like something I saw on the street.
00:31:21
Speaker
no. The tulips are out today. Lovely day. How's everybody? or something like that. But no, a lot of people do like instead of posts, they do like their videos. That's I think where you're you're like, okay, now this is still real. And it's mostly people like our age or even younger.
00:31:38
Speaker
a lot of like older stars in like their 50s are all about just like a photo and I'm not saying anything else. Yeah. um We did an appearance thing at a store once where I was just like, every day i had to be like, oh, day two, come see me out. And then like there was a day where i i posted the wrong day and then somebody put a comment. So then I went back and deleted it and then reposted the thing. And then somebody went back and was like, did you delete the previous one and upload what you're supposed to? And I was like, no, no, no, no please don't. Yeah.
00:32:12
Speaker
above That is interesting though, like pretending to be somebody else essentially. Yeah. and And for a while i wasn enjoying it because I was also, when I'd be out with friends, I'd be like, oh, let me write your post for you. Or like, I'll do your photo.
00:32:29
Speaker
Yeah. but just it It wasn't as fun. It's always, you know, when things are fun, like the first three months and then just kind of like. Yes. Yeah. Then it just becomes a job.
Current Events & Celebrity Conflicts
00:32:40
Speaker
But so so now at present time, i think, so, oh, i wanted to talk about, have you guys know anything about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni? Yes.
00:32:53
Speaker
Yes. that's funny it all It ends with us all saga. Oh my gosh. Okay. Tell. yes Yes. But tell. Yes. So I've been following, um, so I follow a blogger influencer, Zach Peter, and, this other blogger influencer, Elrich, and they, they go to through like what's public from like these depositions and the findings that they've been collecting forth earlier this year. And, um, through them, I've just been keeping up on like what, what's been going on There was some, Well, so let's go back all the way to the beginning. like that how did this even begin? for people who don't know who these people are, too.
00:33:37
Speaker
Right. So Blake Lively is a famous movie star. She was in Gossip Girl. Gossip Girl. she was married She's married to Ryan Reynolds.
00:33:48
Speaker
lives in New York and she's been like a big, I guess, fashionista in the entertainment world and people are just like obsessed with her. And then you got so beautiful. She's so, she's so beautiful.
00:34:00
Speaker
um And she, she comes from money. So her sister's an actress. Anybody ever see teen witch? Yeah. Long time ago for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's her sister. So she's, you know, Hollywood family. um Yeah, family.
00:34:16
Speaker
Royalty. There go. And then Justin Baldoni, he's kind of been like, he moved out here on his own and created his own like name. He was in Jane the Virgin. And now he's working with Wayfair Productions. So the big thing started last summer when the premiere of It Ends With Us in New York. they weren't photographed together. Like Blake Lively was the lead. Justin was the other lead and director of the movie.
00:34:41
Speaker
so that's when speculation started coming out. It's like what's going on. And then these old interviews of Blake Lively, where she came off like very deft tone, started popping up. And these are things that like happened in real life a few years ago. And she started getting bad press.
00:34:59
Speaker
I don't know if you guys remember, there was like an interview with about the baby bump. No. ah So there was this Australian journalist that was interviewing her for this movie she did with Parker Posey. And this is when Blake Lively announced that she was pregnant with, I think, her second or third child with Ryan Reynolds.
00:35:19
Speaker
And in this interviewer, congratulated her on her her baby bump. And Blake Lively it was like, oh, well, congratulations on your on your bump. And like this lady was not pregnant. like in her like Part of her like story like on her blog is that she had had a miscarriage not too long ago.
00:35:39
Speaker
So it came off kind of weird. And like the lady who the interviewer like posted that around around the time that the it Ends With Us things came out.
00:35:50
Speaker
There were some other things where when she was promoting the movie about domestic abuse, where she was like telling people, oh, get your friends, wear your florals, bring your friendship bracelets and come and watch this movie.
00:36:02
Speaker
Oh, no, because she's also friends with Taylor Swift, right? So was she trying to be like a Taylor Swift, like, I don't know squad type situation? ahha Yeah, it came off a little weird. And this is the height of like when her and Blake and Taylor Swift were friends.
00:36:18
Speaker
And in, I want to say December, the New York Times dropped this. I don't know what they're called when somebody like writes something for them, like ah like a journal entry or just like an ed or something like that. Yeah.
00:36:34
Speaker
Where Blake accuses Justin Maloney of being sexually harassing her on set and like creating this smear campaign in retaliation. Oh, wait. So she's saying that he is the reason that all of these negative, this negative press has suddenly come out. Things from previous that like, yes, she said it, but it's coming out now because he is behind that push. yeah oh Okay. he's pain These people will dig up stuff on her and like start spreading it like fire.
00:37:07
Speaker
And what was weird about that is that usually when publications will have something negative or questionable to say about somebody, they'll give them 24 hours to to respond. And it's on like the court papers so that they're gonna go on trial for next year.
00:37:23
Speaker
They only give him 12 hours to to respond and went to print before he even had a chance to say anything. oh Yeah, so that was one of the first weird things. And later on, like things came out where, like oh, the New York Post didn't really research or like try to get proof of like what her allegations were. There's like all these things where, oh, she was really sexually harassed. Why didn't she file a complaint with Sony, who was also funding the film?
00:37:52
Speaker
um so all these things are just kind of came out of nowhere. And Justin Baldoni's been kind of like dragged. But his... partners of the production company have been backing him up because she's also suing the production company for for the thus are sexual harassment allegations.
00:38:12
Speaker
So does it seem from what those two influencers, at least, or like um content creators are posting, that is there any evidence that's been presented that says that Justin was harassing her or might be behind the smear campaign?
00:38:35
Speaker
So, well, there was something that came out earlier this year where she claimed that Justin smelled her skin and was like, mm, your tanning lotion smells delicious or something. And she said, oh, that made me feel uncomfortable. And I forgot who ran it, but it was everywhere. And then the Baloney team like dropped the video clip of like when they were shooting the scene, they were all wearing mics and they didn't stop rolling. And they showed the whole conversation of like what really happened.
00:39:08
Speaker
Oh, is that online? Yes. and You'll find it. And it's like three minutes, but just the context of what she was claiming was not the same because she's She's like, oh, am I getting my tanning lotion all over you? And he's like, no, it's fine. and She's like, oh, I bet it's so strong. And he's like, no, it smells great.
00:39:28
Speaker
And that was like the extent of it. It's like it smells great when I smell it on myself. Yeah. Not because you're getting close to you and smelling it, right?
00:39:39
Speaker
Wow. um So they they released the three minutes and in part of that, Blake says, tells them, oh, you have a really big nose. We should shut down production for a month and get to get that taken care of. Like jokingly, like they're arguing, they're like, well, if it was the other way around, it would have like gone downhill, but they're not, david they just left it just to prove that, you know, what she was saying was not in context.
00:40:06
Speaker
That was one of the many things that have been popping up. I want to get more. i want to learn more about this because all along I have felt like and I have no real basis for this. i have felt like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are probably very, very powerful. Not probably. They're definitely very, very powerful in Hollywood. And.
00:40:26
Speaker
Could bully somebody if they wanted to and could potentially be bullying. um But of course, I don't know. i mean, I haven't gotten that deep into that. But hearing some of those things makes me think that, yeah, there might have been some of that going on.
00:40:44
Speaker
So the biggest internet theory is that, I don't know if you guys remember a movie called simple A Simple Favor with Anna Kendrick? Yes. I did not see it, but I remember it.
00:40:55
Speaker
So that was one of the movies ah where there was like, oh, there's a feud between them, but it kind of got squashed. People for forgot about it. Between Anna and Blake? Yep. Okay. Okay.
00:41:06
Speaker
And um from that, Anna Kendrick went and directed movie that's on Netflix about one of the serial killers. It's like, oh I'm blanking on the name.
00:41:19
Speaker
But anyway, she got like a lot of praise for like as her directorial debut. Woman of the hour. There you go. Never heard of it you guys. I saw the movie that she did where it was kind of like a more serious role where it was like an emotional abuse um situation.
00:41:39
Speaker
I saw on a plane. It was really, really good. m This one is about that um the dating show, Serial Killer, where he was a contestant on the dating show. I have heard that story, but I've never seen the movie. Okay, so she was getting a lot of praise for her work. Yep, and they were ah rehearsing to do A Simple Favor 2 while Blake was shooting it Ends With Us.
00:42:04
Speaker
And i think that's where the competition came, where she's like, oh, I want a chance to direct. And I think she tried to hijack, it ends with us, because Justin was a director.
00:42:15
Speaker
And in one of the clauses was, oh well, Justin Maloney bought the rights of that Colleen Hoover book, and it's like a three-part series. and oh So he was in contract to direct all three.
00:42:28
Speaker
But part of the clause with Colleen Hoover was he would lose all those rights if he was if he were to like sexually harass somebody or act inappropriately. Oh no.
00:42:40
Speaker
Yep. so this i think was kind of like knowledge that somebody was able to use to like, trying to like make their way into the edit room, editing room and like made their own version of the movie that was later released, not the director's cut, which is usually what it's supposed to happen. Like once once actors are done acting, like they don't have a say in anything.
00:43:00
Speaker
So I don't know what what happened with that. But yeah, it comes back to like, you know, you have a name, you have power, and you can pull things. and So I think that's kind of how she tried to like weasel her way into taking over the franchise. And I think the earlier this week, a letter was published where Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively wrote for Justin Maldoney as a statement to say that he was, he had been acting inappropriate during the set and all these things that the smear campaign was his fault and that, you know, he was not going to be part of the ah franchise anymore.
00:43:37
Speaker
So that's kind of also suspicious. Wait, so they submitted it to him wanting him to sign it and like basically release it? Yep.
00:43:46
Speaker
But there's a trial, right? That's going to happen. Yeah, so the trial is set for March. They just finished Discovery and they're positioning everybody for it. um Blake Lively keeps throwing all these things out there that like are getting a lot of fire. And the Wayfair team has been very quiet, which I think is a strategy because they're going to just put it out there in the trial.
00:44:12
Speaker
And oh well just to wrap it up on like the Taylor Swift thing was that this she had some say in the casting of like the younger version of Blake that played the same character.
00:44:25
Speaker
And there were also rumors that Blake wanted Taylor to like support her publicly, but she never did that the whole time. i mean, if if you believed your friend, you you would. Yeah. but Yeah. And I think she kind of got caught up in that. And then her father, in order to like not have Taylor Swift deposition, just turned over everything that shit that they had.
00:44:52
Speaker
wow. Wait, whose father did? Taylor Swift's father, she re he reached out to the Wayfair company. Oh, okay. He turned over what like videos or like, communications okay, or any like conversations where like, maybe Blake had asked her opinion about casting or any involvement of her in the movie.
00:45:12
Speaker
Okay. ah The big thing with that is that there is a Blake, there's a Taylor Swift song that was used for the trailer. And Blake was threatening to pull the song because it was her friend if she didn't get her way in certain areas of post-production.
00:45:27
Speaker
Are they still friends? So ah they haven't publicly supported each other in a while. Including with the engagement. like Including with Taylor getting engaged. we The only thing that has been recent is Blake Lively liked a post of the new album coming out.
00:45:46
Speaker
But other than that, like, they haven't seen me publicly together in over a year. and she's the godmother to her kids. Godmother. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:45:58
Speaker
It's so hard because I want to always believe women, and especially with sexual assault allegations. It's like I always want to believe that because it's so infrequent that people, that women lie about that.
00:46:15
Speaker
And it's interesting that everything that I've been hearing was much more like, yes, Blake is horrible, but this happened. So it's very interesting to hear another side of it where it's like, oh, okay.
00:46:30
Speaker
With any media, it's like what you're being fed and how does how does who you are and what you engage with feed into your algorithm and what what sources you get and things like that. So it's it's really interesting to hear.
00:46:46
Speaker
these pieces of factual evidence that don't support her yeah being in the right. Yeah. I feel like part of the reason that most of the time women are telling the truth is because there's so much at stake for them to lose if they tell the truth that it's hard often to imagine somebody putting themselves in that position. But when somebody is...
00:47:14
Speaker
yeah so powerful and has more power than the person they're accusing, then yeah, I mean, I feel like that's something to take into account. Yeah.
00:47:28
Speaker
And more money, too, because thinking about the fact that this is going to go until March, it's like, of course, they're writing a letter for him that they're like, here, just sign this. Don't you want it to be over? Come on. You've already spent all this money.
00:47:39
Speaker
They can outlast him. Right. In terms of money for legal stuff. Yeah. And I don't know if you guys remember some like voicemail that was out of like Justin, like talking to Blake about, oh, thank you for the rewrites that you, you know, suggested. But I got it as a director. Like I i have a very strict like vision of like, I know where this is going. I appreciate help appreciate your help and all these things. And everybody was like, why would he record himself saying that? Like, did he know something was coming? Yeah.
00:48:12
Speaker
And it was announced earlier in the year that his wife was like, this lady is trouble. She's like document everything. Luckily, she's been the one that's been like keeping track of.
00:48:25
Speaker
just to make sure that he's protected because otherwise he would have nothing. Wow. So she had a feeling and she's trusting her instincts. Good for her. And I mean, they, I know that they're both partially because they're just beautiful and like white and blonde and he's Canadian and whatever, like they, um Ryan Reynolds and Blake, like lively, both had this reputation of being like,
00:48:51
Speaker
sweet and America's sweetheart kind of things, but they really both, do they both have kind of bad reputations in the industry? So, yes. Things have been popping out about Ryan Reynolds. There was this movie called Amityville Horror that he did. It was like a remake in maybe 2005, 2006, where he improvised and slapped the kid, like for real, on camera.
00:49:21
Speaker
And the parent of the kid said, oh, you know, he improvised this and it was not okay with us. But like, we're speaking out now because in the allegations with Blake, she said that Justin had improvised in a scene where like he kissed her just a little bit too long.
00:49:36
Speaker
And then he released that shot and it's like her biting his lip. So that all that was also contradictory. And... And I think they're starting to lose a little bit of like following from their celebrity friends because they were like a staple at the Magala every year.
00:49:52
Speaker
And this year, like before the announcements went out, they said that they were going to opt out just because of the current things that are going on. And then after the event, Anna Wintour said that they were never invited. So... ah And she, I bet, reveled in being able to say that. She loves to be telling everybody who's not invited to the back gala. no And I feel like there was also something else recently where he was included in some kind of prank or joke or something at like ah an awards presentation. And it just fell kind of flat because, ooh, read the room.
00:50:28
Speaker
I think ah maybe the Saturday Night Live. Yes! The 50th anniversary, right? Was that? Yeah. So that was a weird situation because that's where Scarlett Johansson's husband works and Scarlett Johansson is Ryan Reynolds' ex-wife. Ex-wife. And there were rumors that they broke up because of Blake.
00:50:51
Speaker
a
00:50:54
Speaker
and this was like at the height of like the avengers when scarlett johansson just skyrocketed in her career and uh this is when ryan reynolds did green lantern with blake lively and it just kind of flopped but a year later they announced that they were a couple and within that year he already divorced scarlett johansson okay yeah and he was also she was with pen badgley from gossip girl at the time who was with pen badgley Yeah. No!
00:51:23
Speaker
I love Tim Badgley more than But yeah, at at that show, he wanted to do a joke and they were taking questions from the audience and he was there with Blake. And it was Amy Poehler and Tina Fey that asked him, oh, how are things going? And he's like, oh, well, what have you heard? And then they kind of like zoom in on like Blake's reaction being like shocked that even said that. Uh-huh.
00:51:48
Speaker
So I think they were trying to make light of it, but it just came off weird that it was his ex-wife's husband's work a a place of work. work Yeah. Yeah. Well, she, Blake Lively hosted,
00:52:02
Speaker
ah SNL back in 2009, 2008. And there's a there's a skit where she plays a by biracial woman. oo And it just it didn't age very good. No. so I don't know if it's on reruns anymore. It's probably been one of the ones that been have been cut.
00:52:19
Speaker
Cut. Uh-huh. she's like super white, right? She looks like she is. And well, it was like her her character and and her mom who was played by Kenan from... Kenan Thompson. That's funny. yeah And they go into a store and i think like the the employees are like, oh, can we help you? And then they start like outbursting like, we're not stealing. We're just shopping.
00:52:43
Speaker
And it just, I don't know. It's just kind of weird. Now looking at it, i mean, I'm sure at the time it was as hilarious. Yeah. So do you have any homework for us?
Analyzing Celebrity Social Media
00:52:54
Speaker
Oh, sure. how about if you next time you see somebody's like celebrities Instagram post? Yeah. Can I see what they're projecting and how something like that could have been spun like 30 years ago?
00:53:10
Speaker
Love it. um Can I just throw an example? Like, hey yeah. say Well, so Hilary Duff featured Tinder in a music video a couple of years ago when she was trying to make comeback. And then with these teeth, with these teeth or her pre old teeth, with the new ones. yeah But it didn't, it didn't go well. And I think this is when she was like trying to she was recently divorced and trying to put herself out there.
00:53:37
Speaker
How would that have been spun like 30 years ago to like, so sell magazines. I don't if that's clear. um Yes, I think so.
00:53:52
Speaker
Also, I'm going to assign myself researching everything there is about Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, and Justin Baldoni because yeah i mean it's just like a story classic story of power and privilege and how bullies i don't know i mean this is this is how i'm seeing it it's the vivid and goliath and it it's hooked yeah exactly yeah we'll see so they go on go to trial in march it's not going to be televised because it's going to be in new york but i'm sure it's going be reported every day everybody's going to want to know everything
00:54:30
Speaker
I will.
Evolution of Celebrity Culture & Farewell
00:54:31
Speaker
and we We can do follow-up. Yes. Make a note. April. Because I wonder how long, I mean, I could see that trial going on for quite some time. Yep.
00:54:43
Speaker
This is good. I love it. Oh, my God. That whole, yeah. this is I've never thought about it, like, kind of over the years, like, never specifically sat down and thought about how that's changed over the years, even though, of course, we've seen it in all these different iterations and then and where is it going to like it just keeps on changing and morphing how celebrity gossip and entertainment is put out into the world who's even considered a celebrity oh yeah or influencer yeah yeah and it seems like the only thing that never changes is our complete interest in it that there's always people who are like yes i am so yeah it's true
00:55:29
Speaker
Cool. Well, we've got our marching orders and I think we're, we're set. And I'm also like, I have like a reinvigorated interest in just like celebrity gossip in general. So I'll be listening to podcasts cause that's what I do. Cool.
00:55:50
Speaker
Thank you so much, Javier. Thank you so much for having me. It was lot of fun talking, catching up. Yes. It was much fun. Thank you. And stay interesting. And stay interested.
00:56:02
Speaker
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