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17- Finding Your Personal Style...The Follow Up

S1 E17 · Can We Interest You In...?
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Grab your ironing and turn on this podcast! Ivy Koelliker is back and we dig right into the results of our homework. We are quickly reminded that this personal style thing is a journey.

Charlotte typed the words "fashion clothes" into her browser as a starting point and found that the Instagram Explore section was serving up only dogs.

Both Patti and Charlotte downloaded the Indyx App. Ivy shares a great tip on how to get flattering photos of your clothes on a flat surface.

And some additional topics discussed include: an outfit formula, capsule collections, the personal style quiz, where should we shop, justifying the purchase of a banana clutch, using our personal style words as a framework for new items, keeping clothes for a life you used to have, the very of its time book Color Me Beautiful, is Charlotte an Autumn or Winter? are Ivy and Patti two ends of Spring?, levels of formality, selling clothes, how Internal Family Systems really works with this interest.

Ivy's style words: unexpected, classic, practical
Charlotte's style words: classic, simple, relaxed, comfy, fun, Parisian
Patti's style words: relaxed, androgynous, classic

While we're not willing to follow Steve Jobs and Elizabeth Holmes into the black turtleneck uniform approach yet, we did come to appreciate the importance of ditching the clothes we don't wear to remove emotional and mental barriers to embodying our personal style.

⁠Allison Bornstein 3 Word Method Video
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Introduction and Podcast Invitation

00:00:00
Speaker
You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
00:00:15
Speaker
We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?

Reunion and Homework Discussion

00:00:34
Speaker
Hey, Charlotte. Hey, Patty. And Ivy. Ivy. Thanks for coming back. We're back. Yay.
00:00:48
Speaker
I'm glad you're back because I think that I have a lot of thoughts and a lot of things to talk about with your homework and I need your assistance too, I think both of you.
00:01:01
Speaker
for things like figuring out my like so solidifying my words and just figuring out a path forward. So I'm happy you're here. I'll try to help as much as I can.
00:01:14
Speaker
Maybe we need more expert help.

Fashion Resources and Overwhelm

00:01:16
Speaker
We can all like go in together on one personal stylist to help us all. What if you do like ah like a Patreon where people can, like, do you want us have better style? Help fun, please. Help us.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah. So Ivy, you gave us amazing homework after our last meeting and sent it to us in an email. So we'll we'll link um in the show notes to all of that information. Okay, cool.
00:01:46
Speaker
And it was nice to have not only videos to watch, but also like articles to read and then an app to download and articles to read that link to other articles to read. it was kind of like up so much information.
00:02:04
Speaker
And I liked the way that both you and the resources kind of set it up and that it was like, here are many tools you can use.
00:02:18
Speaker
but you don't have to use any of them. You know, like this might be fun to you. This might be interesting. This might be incredibly valuable. This might make you feel crappy. So ignore it.
00:02:29
Speaker
You know, like it was um really nice like because I can get so easily overwhelmed with how do you find all the information and wanting to do it all at once.
00:02:41
Speaker
But I felt like the way that both you and the resources set it up was really nice to kind of cut through that. That's really good to hear because I'm also the same where I get like very overwhelmed and like I want to be efficient and just like get things done as quickly as possible. But like you can't do

Finding Personal Style

00:02:59
Speaker
that with this. You have to like really think about it. And it's always like a,
00:03:03
Speaker
like a process and a journey to kind of like find your style and like maybe it evolves or maybe you have like an attachment to certain a certain piece of clothing that doesn't fit your personal style but like you can't get rid of it for like years and years and years and you know it's like it's always like there's always steps to take or things that you can do so kind of like looking to see what's most what speaks to you them the most and following that path but knowing that like ultimately like it matters but it's not like really high stakes matters you know so if you don't work on it for a year or you change your style up because you feel like doing that like it's fine you just like move in a different direction then you know
00:03:48
Speaker
You saying that is is good. It goes along with my trying to do some of these steps like all kind of at once, like especially the one that we had talked about where it's sort of like if you have a Pinterest board or mood board or something like the outfits that you like.
00:04:08
Speaker
And I was like, I don't have any outfits that I like. I never noticed that kind of thing. So I was Googling like fashion clothes, pictures of people wearing outfits. You can't do this quickly. You can't just yeah find a bunch of fashion clothes online and be like, oh, here's my style. like this. Yeah.
00:04:28
Speaker
Yeah, and then did you also find that when I was trying to look at things like that, like, oh, okay, because similarly, I don't have a Pinterest for clothing, but when I was planning to go to Europe for two weeks, I was like, oh, yeah, I want to think about clothes that I'll be

Online Inspirations and Tools

00:04:47
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comfortable in. I also really wanted to pack minimally.
00:04:49
Speaker
So then I started trying to find people that I could follow on social media, but I wanted to find somebody who had a body type similar to mine so that it wouldn't be so like, oh my God, i love the way that person looks. And then when I try it for myself, like it doesn't look that way at all. Or had you gotten that far, Charlotte?
00:05:15
Speaker
No, but that's a good idea to to look for people to follow. um Yeah, i I couldn't even I was like, I was like, okay, maybe I can look at clothing online, you know, stores or something.
00:05:32
Speaker
But I think that, ah yeah, like we see those, we see people wearing outfits all the time on Instagram. It's just a matter of when it looks good, like noticing that. And then, like you said, maybe then following them, but even i went on Instagram to see if they had any, like in the explore category and it's all just dogs.
00:05:54
Speaker
because I click on everything with dogs. And then- Mine's just cats, so I understand. I was like, yeah, dogs and then ah ah just you know against against the man type stuff.
00:06:11
Speaker
Like, fight against the man. And if
00:06:15
Speaker
and if you combine those, what would that look like? i I did find- so- um kind of going into some of the homework. So the first thing I did was download that index app.
00:06:30
Speaker
um And for a while, that's all I did. Like yeah I just downloaded it, you know? And then I was putting away laundry one day and I was like, wait a second, how about if, as I'm putting away the laundry, I like lay it on my bed and take the pictures and add it.
00:06:46
Speaker
And I thought it was funny because the app was even like, hmm, looks like you're doing this in a different way than we suggest. That's okay, keep it up. And then we'll like, yes.
00:06:58
Speaker
And I was like, that was really kind. I have no idea how I was supposed to do it. But I just kept adding like, you know, things that I wore and not anything that I wear to like work out in or sleep in, you know, nothing like that.
00:07:11
Speaker
Although there is some stuff that's like workout slash, yes, I do sometimes wear as real clothes. So like those pieces I would do. And it was really hard to take a flattering picture of clothing when it's just yeah not on your bed.
00:07:30
Speaker
Yep. I find that too. Yeah. one of the tricks that I learned from someone, i can't remember. It's like a lot of times the website, like if you bought your clothes online or even if you didn't, but like, if you go to their website,
00:07:43
Speaker
they'll have like a picture of it as a flat lay. That's really nice. And you can save that and then upload that. So I've like kind of started doing that with some stuff, but other things i'm just like, it's fine. Like we're just going to use this crappy picture of it. It'll be all right.
00:08:02
Speaker
Yeah. um And I realized just how little I actually wear. Like I was like, Oh, the same things in rotation. yeah However, then I also like it it was really helpful all um
00:08:19
Speaker
to kind of notice some trends of like, oh, well, why do I keep wearing these? And it's because I like that style of shirt. um And so then it's like, okay, look for more like that.
00:08:34
Speaker
hmm. And it also kind of encouraged me, like I think the exercise as a whole encouraged me to go through some of the pieces that I've really never worn for whatever reason and just try it. Like I was like, okay, today's your day. Like you're gonna wear this.
00:08:53
Speaker
And then if you hate, you know, if you don't enjoy it, you're getting rid of it. Or if you do now it's in your road, like it'll get into the index app. like as an option, you know?
00:09:07
Speaker
um so it was kind of a nice way to use the Index app as like my gate almost. Like if it makes it in there, it is now part of your wardrobe rotation.
00:09:22
Speaker
think that would be a good

Wardrobe Management and Minimalism

00:09:23
Speaker
way to do it. Like if it's worth figuring out how to get the picture in there, then you know that it's that it's something that deserves to be in the wardrobe.
00:09:35
Speaker
because I haven't made it to taking the pictures yet. I did the the style quiz and ah like was looking at colors and things like that. But like the the picture taking for some reason, even though this also made me realize only where, well, I only like like this.
00:09:56
Speaker
four tops that I have. ah And the other ones, I think I'm just so tired of them. I realize I hold on to things for so long. and just don't want to see them anymore. They're not in style anymore. They're, you know, they don't look good on me anymore because they don't fit right.
00:10:13
Speaker
They shrank. Like that's a lot of my wardrobe. i realized that. Yeah. Well, and there was either in one of the articles that you sent us or in that video where they were saying like so much of our time can be wasted or spent on trying to figure out what to wear And this really helps to be like,
00:10:44
Speaker
then just get rid so many of the options because yeah, then you do end up defaulting to something that's like, I don't even like this. I don't even feel good in it, but it's there or it's easy or it's the known, you know?
00:11:00
Speaker
And as someone who does not want to put together an outfit or like take time to get ready, i realize how weird that sounds but um I don't want like that's not my goal but my goal is to like remove the pieces that I know I don't feel good in or don't like yeah that like okay so then you have less clothes but you're already wearing less less clothes yeah yeah totally and I think it does help to like there a lot of the the like um
00:11:42
Speaker
People that I'll watch like on YouTube or follow on Instagram, they have like a really strong sense of personal style, which is interesting to like see how they, you know, how they like make up their outfits. But like a lot of them have like outfit formulas that they wear all the time. So it's like shirts.
00:11:59
Speaker
blazer, jeans, like that might be an outfit formula that like someone feels very comfortable with it. Like that's their style of being like classic buttoned up, like whatever, whatever you want. um So it's been helping me with that too, because then you have like, I'm not quite there yet. And I kind of like, I like clothes too much to be like, oh, I only want to wear like one output formula. Like I probably have like a hundred of them, but there's still like some cohesive like underpinning to it.
00:12:26
Speaker
um But I think it can help in the case of like, people who just feel overwhelmed by getting dressed and maybe like to your point patty it's not like what speaks to you you're like i don't really care about the process of getting ready and trying on clothes i just want to like have it be easy and like look good and feel good when i wear it so like moving towards that kind of like smaller wardrobe that's like filled with like pieces that you know like okay if i always put like a cardigan on over whatever i'm wearing like that makes me feel great So like just get some cardigans and like always know whatever you put on, you're going to like put your little security blanket cardigan on over it and then you're going to feel amazing or like it's a baseball hat or it's like you wear sneakers with everything. like Whatever it is, it's kind of like your one thing that like makes it feel like you that can kind of like help you move there, you know, and that's like that's where I'm like, that's where I'm really struggling. I was still like I have a lot of shoes and like the other weekend i was like I need to.
00:13:24
Speaker
like sell some of these or donate them. Like I have to do, like, it's too many pairs of shoes. Like this is obscene for a person to have. And like, I don't wear them. So I started pulling them out and then I was like, no, I can't do it.
00:13:37
Speaker
And I like put them all back. I was like, it's not the time for me today to do it. But like, I'm feeling a little better. Like now, like a couple weeks afterwards, I'm like, okay, like, maybe there's like three pairs that I could get rid of, you know? So it's like maybe even little baby steps along the way, but it's hard. Cause like you get kind of attached to things or like you really to your point, Charlie, you really, it's something that you really liked in the past, but it's like, it doesn't fit with you now, but it's like hard to let it go, you know?
00:14:07
Speaker
Or you're just like, oh, like, I really love this. But now the it like stretched weirdly or it shrank or it's like all awkward. you're like, I can still make it work because I like it. But it just kind of like looks a little bit sloppy, you know, and you're like, I love this shirt, but I always feel a little bit like I'm not like really wearing anything good when I wear it.
00:14:26
Speaker
It's hard like it's hard, you know. No, I so many things about that resonated because i buy a lot of things so that I can wear them with cardigans. The cardigan is my like core piece of clothing, I think, yeah like lay some kind of layer.
00:14:44
Speaker
And then um so that makes me feel better that I could just have that as a formula because I already do. I just need to maybe own it and consciously do it. um So that was one thing.
00:14:56
Speaker
And then the other thing was, was thinking about capsule wardrobe. That's always seemed like a great thing to me. I've never really looked very into it, but I kind of realized that's essentially what I have anyway, given the number of clothing items I actually wear and want to wear.
00:15:14
Speaker
And then the last thing was that I also realized that some of my current style, personal style is related to the fact that for so long, I've just been wearing things that are too tight because, because they shrank or because I gained weight and I just don't want to let them go. And so now I have all these like looser, more relaxed, stretchy clothing. And it's so much better. Now I just need to like, let go, let go of the the skinny jeans.
00:15:49
Speaker
So many skinny jeans. They have to let them go. Yeah. They have holes in the knees. They have holes sometimes in the butt, like practically like bye-bye jeans. Bye.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, really long cardigan.
00:16:08
Speaker
Yeah, well um i for the capsule wardrobe, like I also think that's like a good way to like kind of start getting into the like personal style because like that really helps you like focus in on what your personal style is and what you like to wear.
00:16:24
Speaker
But I think it's also...

Quality vs. Fast Fashion

00:16:28
Speaker
like you also maybe don't have to spend a lot of money because you're not like replacing everything in your wardrobe with something that's like newer or like fits better. You're just replacing or adding things that like fit with this like smaller capsule. And you probably like have a lot of things that are reasonably fine or even great. And it's just like replacing a few pieces that are like hole in the butt or like little like shrunken oddly or like the color is like maybe not your favorite anymore it's it's not like as much money or as much of a time investment to like replace the whole wardrobe as it is to just like replace a couple pieces that fit in that capsule and even if you do kind of like a warmer weather capsule and like a more winter or like colder weather capsule because like we all live in climates where like you can't just wear the same thing all year round so maybe it's like two of them but even that you don't have to like
00:17:22
Speaker
replace 400 items of clothing, like maybe it's five things that you need to replace or add total, you know, and it's not as much time or money, but you can still be more thoughtful about what you're adding and think about like, does this really fit with my style? This is really fit in my capsule. Like how many things can i actually wear this with?
00:17:43
Speaker
Will my lovely cardigans fit over this shirt? And if my cardigans will not like, no matter how much you like it maybe, you know, that's not for you because just the way that your lifestyle is working, like going into air conditioning or like whatever, then being out in the heat, like you want to have something you can pull over it. And if you can't like do it because of the way the sleep is like, maybe it's not the right option, you know?
00:18:06
Speaker
I am curious. So Charlotte, I also took the style quiz. Yes, your words. Well, and also like even before that, it was so interesting. So part of part of the index app is when you add the clothing piece, it asks you for the brand.
00:18:23
Speaker
um So then when I was, like you enter in the brand and what kind of, you know, what type of piece of clothing it is and the color and then of the size if you want. um So then when taking the quiz, they were like, which of these brands do you wear the most? And I was like, I don't know any of these brands. Like I knew like so very few. So what was your experience with that or taking the quiz in general?
00:18:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think I remember I took it ah like maybe right after we we met. So um i'm now I'm remembering the brands. Yeah, there were very few. And I think that's part of part of my insecurity too about dressing is like, am i holding on to old brands that nobody's shopping at anymore? And then this was also another thing is like, I go shopping with my mom like,
00:19:22
Speaker
once a year for our birthdays, which are around the same time. And we like buy each other clothes and we always are like, okay, we're going to go to different places, but we always end up going to loft, like Ann Taylor loft.
00:19:34
Speaker
But this year we also went to Chico's and was like, oh no, i have reached, I've reached the age of Chico's. Right. Like, no, has Chico's kind of aged down? Like, are they hipper or, or have I gotten to them? Like, I will say my mom bought a bunch of clothes from there and I got a few but I was like, Oh, these don't look that good on me. And she's like, that's because they're for old ladies.
00:20:01
Speaker
And I was like, mom. Thank you. She's not an old lady either, though. Come on. Yeah, she's she's with it. um and And so anyway, yeah, so the brands thing is like, where should I be shopping? Where's everybody shopping now? You know?
00:20:15
Speaker
Yeah. And looking at it in terms of a capsule collection, because even like yesterday, I went to an event and I was like, oh I'm going to try this tank top, like kind of sweatery tank top that I've had forever, got at the loft and just never really wear, partially because the part that you see on web videos, like which is what I do most of the day, isn't particularly cute, but the rest, like the full thing is,
00:20:44
Speaker
But then by the end of it the end of the day, and I hadn't even worn it for the full day, it was like misshapen. Like it felt weird. And so I did feel like, well, if I'm going to have fewer items, that's where this investment into quality pieces it does make sense.
00:21:03
Speaker
Because wearing something that was cute the first time I wore it, but isn't any of the consecutive times, like it's like still just trying to chase that, you know,
00:21:14
Speaker
high of like the first time and it'll never get there. You know, so I was like, okay, I'm finally seeing this shift of quality and the investment, you know, like that it is a worthwhile investment.
00:21:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be able to buy just every once in a while, buy something that's more expensive than I normally would and feel like really good about it.
00:21:44
Speaker
Yeah, but i I don't know about you, but like you guys, but like, I get worried that I'm not, I'm like, but what if I end up not liking it? You know, like, what if I yeah think I like it and then i I don't wear it, you know, like, I don't know.
00:21:59
Speaker
I think that's where like the the like the three style words or like whatever um you end up using can be really helpful. And i I signed up, Index has like a free, um,
00:22:11
Speaker
like eight week personal styling course. So each week they send you like a lesson and to read through it. And I was just reading it actually before the podcast for this week. And um they were ah saying like,
00:22:25
Speaker
Spending more money on, like it is an investment and it's like an investment of your time. It's investment of your money and everything else to buy something that's, that's more expensive, but like look at it and think about what your style words are and like, does it fit my style words? Or if it only fits like one of them and I match it with other things that I already have that will like fit the other style words that are there.
00:22:49
Speaker
And that can like help you feel more, confident that you're like buying it with like more intention than just like, Oh, that's really cute. And like, maybe you don't wear it again.
00:23:00
Speaker
Thinking about like, will this, like, does this add value to my wardrobe and the style that I'm trying to create? Like, does it bring something to the table that's not already there?
00:23:11
Speaker
Or is it like adding the unexpected twist to a more classic outfit? Like for me, I saw this like this clutch bag. i didn't buy it. Cause I'm like, this is a dumb thing to buy, but it was like, it was like in the shape of a bunch of bananas made out of like woven, like rat, like rat, hit like wicker almost.
00:23:30
Speaker
It was like cute, like a little zipper. It's like two bananas. And I was like, Oh my God, I want that so badly. And i was like, I can justify it. Cause it's unexpected. And that's one of my style words, but I was like, no, don't go down that rabbit hole because this is a dumb thing to buy.
00:23:43
Speaker
So I did not buy it. And then I was thinking about it again, like four weeks later. and then it was, it, they didn't have any more. It was sold out. So i was like, that's probably the best that I didn't buy this banana purse, but like it, it was like, at least I was like thinking about it in the way of like, well, is this like actually something that like will, that I can make work? And like, yeah, I probably could have. Cause like a lot of my clothes are pretty like neutral. So like having something like that is like, yeah, it's totally fine. It's not like I have like peach shoes and a strawberry hat. and You know, it's like a total fruit basket in more ways than one.
00:24:19
Speaker
But I think that like it, it can like help in that way. Okay. If I'm going to like invest in, a really nice quality handbag? Like, what are my style words that I should try to hit when I buy that handbag? What is the material that's going to make the most sense for my lifestyle? Like if you live somewhere where it's like raining all the time, you probably don't want to get swayed because then you're never going to carry it out of the house because you're so worried about it, you know?
00:24:45
Speaker
Um, so like, kind of like thinking about things in that way can like help, like Like, I mean, it's still like a lot of money to buy things like that. So you have to like weigh the cost benefit, but at least like knowing that it's like meeting some criteria that you kind of like set for yourself that can help you make sure you're buying things that you're actually going use and actually like and feel good about as opposed to just like buying something that is.
00:25:13
Speaker
expensive because you're like, oh, I need a good quality shirt, but then you get it in like a color that you don't ever wear because that's the only thing they had available. You know, I like thinking of the words as kind of that framework through which to like measure things.
00:25:27
Speaker
So Ivy, you said unexpected. What are your other two style words?

Defining Personal Style Words

00:25:32
Speaker
Words. Yeah, so i I had classic, minimal, and unexpected. But since we talked, and I think I said it the last time we talked, I am going to change minimal to practical.
00:25:45
Speaker
Because I think like minimal has like a connotation of like, oh, monochromatic outfit, or like very clean lines. And like I like that look. But I would say like a lot of my clothes are not that way. like I do like a lot of color. I like prints.
00:26:00
Speaker
um but maybe not like lots of crazy prints all mixed together or lots of crazy colors. So I, and to me, one of the things that's like most important is that I, my clothes aren't like,
00:26:13
Speaker
they aren't like competing with anything else that I'm trying to do. Like, I don't like to feel like, Oh, I'm constricted. i don't like to like have a lot of layers on. i want, like, you can pry my cross body bag out of my cold dead hands. Like I know no one's wearing it anymore, but I'm like that I need that style. Like I like to have like fans free, you know, or my little like fanny pack, whatever. Like I like to not have to like worry about that. so like, I'll try to like find things that fit with like that style that is,
00:26:42
Speaker
practical for like the day that I am going to be having that I can walk around in the shoes that I'm wearing. They still like look good, but like not something crazy. That's going to like make me uncomfortable, you know? Yeah.
00:26:54
Speaker
Charlotte. what Yeah. What are your words? Tell me. okay. um So it started out when I took that little quiz um with classic, simple and relaxed.
00:27:07
Speaker
um I have adjusted. classic, classic
00:27:14
Speaker
I think that means like, it kind of means simple, right? Like just, so okay. So then I, okay, let me, let me go into, then I did the, the three words, like the Alison Bornstein kind of yeah approach.
00:27:28
Speaker
And I think the, the first word is like what your clothes actually are saying. And I think that they are comfy. Like they're just, yeah I want them to be comfortable.
00:27:41
Speaker
And then, also shortening the word to comfy because I also want them to be real fast and simple and easy. Yeah. um I think the then the second word was the kind of your aspirational word. That one will have to be a little bit more of a process because, you know, like you said, I don't have the Pinterest board and all of that, but I'm thinking like fun.
00:28:11
Speaker
Like I would like for my clothes to not be, you know, not fun and like, oh, it's so like whimsical, but just sort of like I'm ready for something fun. I'm not trying to be super serious. Like maybe there's just a little bit of color or like I'm wearing sneakers, something like that. yeah um And then the last one,
00:28:38
Speaker
I don't know. it's It's like what you want what to feel like, right? or and ah Yeah, I think it is how how you want to feel in your clothes.
00:28:50
Speaker
Yeah. So was thinking something like accessible or open um or then the third of my index words was was um relaxed. That's kind of like comfy, but maybe I do want to feel relaxed. Like I want to or okay see this is why i need the help oh no that's fine it's good though because like i can see like there definitely is like ah there's a commonality even between the two methods like in the words that you're selecting i think so i think we can i think we can talk through it and i think we can talk through it i think we could see because you're not picking words like punk rock and classic you know and you're not like
00:29:37
Speaker
uh what I'm what's I'm trying to say like sophisticated and comfy you know like you're not you're all like in like a space of words that like can like may have some overlap or at least they're like close enough that we can kind of parse out like which two could overlap and you can just pick one of them you know yeah yeah okay mean it's also fine if you're like classic and punk like total that's totally fine like you can do that too so yeah like it's just looks like creates a lot more uh juxtaposition in your outfit you know Yeah, that's a person who knows what they're doing because yeah that's a next level fashion.
00:30:15
Speaker
Fashionista. You said it was for ah the index. It was classic, relaxed. And what was your other one? Simple. Simple. Yeah. oh Honestly, simple is probably, yeah, probably a good word.
00:30:29
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Maryann Tobin, Collective, Maybe, maybe through through of it'll kind of come more clear to so patty if you want to try and then and then I have you can help us. I'll try. and i'll try to So the one the three that I got on the quiz results were relaxed androgynous classic.
00:30:47
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um And I felt good with all three of those because. even though like I do have some dresses that I'll wear, it's mostly just summer dress, black, shift, you know, and it's like for a purpose. I don't feel super comfortable wearing anything
00:31:10
Speaker
like, i remember even just like when I will wear earrings, I'm always like, Oh, I feel like an imposter. Like it feels very strange to be wearing them. Like, I think they're beautiful. but it doesn't feel right on me.
00:31:22
Speaker
So I was like, okay, yeah, those so are right. um And it was helpful because I would be like, okay, yes, it's, you know, there are like classic elements, like, you know, pants, t-shirts, blouses, whatever.
00:31:41
Speaker
um But what I liked about the relaxed thought and also what, you know, what the stylist and author, what is her name again? Alison Bornstein. Yes. What Alison done doing was saying is like, that there's often something really nice about contradiction. And so it's like, this is nothing new, but I was like, Oh yeah, i often feel good. Like if I'm wearing a blousier top, I like to have tighter bottom or like, you know, things like that. So even just having like those little reminders of like,
00:32:19
Speaker
you're wearing a t-shirt so this would be a good day to wear your like cropped chinos that are wide leg you know are really kind of just helpful so um yeah it's nothing that i think anyone would say is like mind-blowing but for me it's like really nice to be putting these pieces of the puzzle together in like a more concrete way
00:32:46
Speaker
Wait, so, okay, it was, what was the three words? It was like... Relaxed. Relaxed. Androgynous. Classic. Okay, so we have like of the words. You guys are classic and relaxed.
00:33:00
Speaker
And then my other one was just simple. home site Yeah, I also, i used to wear earrings and necklaces and things like that sometimes. And then I just stopped wanting to wear them.
00:33:13
Speaker
And I think this is another thing is it's just like still wearing clothes for the life you used to have when that's not your life anymore. you know, like I changed jobs and i decide what i get to wear. There's not a dress code, even though it wasn't a very serious dress code before. But there's the people who see you every day.
00:33:35
Speaker
And so now I do feel like. doing this is helping me think about how do I want to dress now that it doesn't matter that much.
00:33:46
Speaker
I mean, it matters what people think to a certain degree, but nobody's going to be like, you're supposed to wear this because of our dress code. Yeah. Yeah. And also buying for life, that aspirational life, you know, that like, yeah I, Oh, you know, I remember like buying ah like at Macy's, like buying this like overly priced white trench coat, like in my early twenties and thinking I was going to be like this person who wears like trench coats with like pencil skirts and heels on the way to work. And I was like, no, you're not like, you know, so I'm not that person. Yeah. Like that sounds great. And no, like, ah yeah.
00:34:35
Speaker
So, but also realizing that I, I do want to put a little more effort into it. You know, working from home remotely all the time and post COVID really just like got everything so casual for me.
00:34:51
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There is something about like, oh yeah, i i I want to put in a little bit more effort into how how I look and in order to do that, um that will require getting some new pieces probably.
00:35:09
Speaker
one One thing I will say that was like really helpful for me to learn too. Cause like, I, I'm not like so precious about my clothes, like especially washing them. Like I like to just put something in the washing machine and in the dryer. Like, I don't want to like hand wash. don't want to go to the dry cleaner. Like, it's just, I don't want to spend the time to do it. I hate ironing and I don't want to spend the time to do it.
00:35:34
Speaker
But I watched like a lot of videos about like why do you always feel kind of like frumpy in your clothes? And the number one thing is like, you're not taking care of your clothes so that they last and maintain their quality. yeah So I really have, ah although I despise it, i have been like really trying hard to like make sure that like,
00:35:56
Speaker
Following the care instructions, like I don't, I don't put a lot of stuff in the dryer anymore. Like I'll hang it on a rack to dry it rather than put it in the dryer. I like will go downstairs and spend like two hours ironing. And I just like put on your podcast or another podcast and I like listen to it and I'm like, just gonna iron until this podcast is over, you know, but it does

Clothing Care and Tailoring

00:36:17
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really help. And honestly, I found that when I was like taking pictures,
00:36:21
Speaker
for index, that's when I was like, all of my clothes look like garbage. Cause they're all wrinkled. And I went through and like, I retook a lot of pictures after I had like iron things or steam them.
00:36:33
Speaker
and it did look so much better. And I was like, well, like, that's just a picture. Like I'm walking around, like all disheveled like this, but at least, you know, like at least just like ironing the shirt can like help so much, you know?
00:36:46
Speaker
So it's like, not like, maybe it is buying some new things, but it might even be just like looking at like what state the clothes are in that you have currently and things that fit your style. And like,
00:36:56
Speaker
is there just like some mending that needs to get done? If you just like iron down the collar, does that make it look better? And like, sometimes things as simple as that can like make that change. That's not like really personal style related, but it's kind of like tangential. And it just like, it really like flipped a switch in my brain when I was like, oh, I should iron my clothes. And then I'm like, oh yeah, I don't mind wearing this now that it doesn't look so frumpy. So that's great. You know? Yeah.
00:37:22
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Yeah. That's a really good point. Even like, as I'm like looking at your clothes, like classic and relaxed, like relaxed is like, yeah relaxed could lean very like,
00:37:35
Speaker
Oh, it's like an old sweat like old sweatsuit that I have, or like a stained big comfy t-shirt or whatever. But like, it could be relaxed and it's like an oversized t-shirt, but it's like not wrinkled or it's in like a bright color, like Charlotte's your point of being more fun. Like yeah it's not just like an old white t-shirt like that you've had since college, which like I have plenty of those too.
00:37:58
Speaker
But like, maybe it's like a more structured t-shirt in a fun color, but it's still like oversized and relaxed. But like, how can you like bring in another one of the words like with what style it is or just getting like a more elevated or like heart quality version of something that's relaxed, you know? Cause like, I'll do like, ah I follow like a lot of people that have like really good, like they call it like street style. So a lot of times it is like track pants, you know, or like sweatpants and sneakers, but they all look incredible. And like, that's really comfy, but like, it looks great and they look like really stylish. So it is like possible to do it. I think it's just like how you put the other pieces together, you know?
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that part of maybe why the the words were not entirely resonating with me was because of that. Like I was thinking, does it imply like I want to sweatpants everywhere? Does it imply I want to wear leggings everywhere, which I did consider?
00:38:59
Speaker
for a little while I thought yes in my, book i I said to Adam, I'm like, I made a new decision that in my private practice leggings are allowed. And he looked at what I was wearing. He was like, are you sure? but Because I was wearing this like long sweater over it and it did look like pajamas the way I was wearing it So yeah I was like, nevermind. i have changed this practice guideline.
00:39:26
Speaker
It's not gonna be legging. Yeah. So I want it to be comfortable, but I still, right. Like, it's not like I want to be necessarily wearing sweatpants places. yeah i still want, I want it to, it's more like, is it loose? Does it feel, feel good?
00:39:40
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yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like that's where relaxed feels like such the right term for me because it is, it's not stuffy, tailored, tight, you know, any of those things, but it's also not slubby, you know, it doesn't mean,
00:39:59
Speaker
and I'm like looking at their word bank of other words. It is funny how like none of them are are really. It doesn't feel Western. I'm looking at them too. Western. Witchy is one of my favorite ones. I'm like, that is not my style at all. But like, I wish that I could be witchy because that would great. It's my aspirational style. Yes. Being like Willow from Buffy. Like that's the goal. Yeah.
00:40:25
Speaker
ah Which I don't even really feel like she was very witchy. She's not even that witchy. But still, I do like that. Then that shows us that there's a range of witchy. um Yes. Yeah.
00:40:38
Speaker
One of the things, just a note. So I then started looking. I used to live right across the street from an Old Navy and a loft.
00:40:49
Speaker
So I would shop there a lot. And so I was like, well, let me look. The thing that I like about Old Navy's websites. they will show you the clothes on three different model sizes.
00:41:01
Speaker
So there's like your standard small, and then there's like large, and then there's extra, extra large for the clothing. Like that's what the size is that they wear. That's whatever. um And i love that because i can then see,
00:41:18
Speaker
right away like oh yeah that is and mind you like they don't have the same body type as me just because they wear the same size as me but it's easier for me to kind of make that leap of how is this piece going to look on my size body um Because I do feel like so often when clothes are designed, they're designed for a size.
00:41:44
Speaker
And when they size them up, they don't necessarily make the necessary modifications for it to continue to look good. You know, so sometimes it'll look kind of a little wonky or funny. So while I'm saying i want to get away from Old Navy quality of clothing, i do love that aspect of their website to shop from. It makes it really...
00:42:06
Speaker
easy especially for someone who can't visualize I'm horrible at visualizing things yeah it's good to like see it in front of you and I think like that still is like really helpful even if you're like okay maybe I don't want to like go shopping at Old Navy and like buy the t-shirt from there because I know it's like going to be fine and then it's going to get misshapen and I'm gonna have to go buy another one you want to like find one that is um like in a last longer what, you know, whatever that is.
00:42:34
Speaker
I, I agree with you though. It's still like really helpful to look clothes and look at clothes on people that are of a similar size to you or similar coloring or like whatever it is that you're looking for, regardless of where it comes from. Cause it still can like give you inspiration to say like, Oh yeah, I do really want to get like the perfect white t-shirt.
00:42:58
Speaker
So like old Navy, I see this style of, okay, it's a V-neck shirt on this person. It's like a crew neck. It's like a boat neck shirt. It has longer sleeves. It has shorter sleeves. It's like a baby tee or oversized tee. Like looking at like a site that gives you those different kind of visualizations on different body types can help you be like, oh yeah, I like that style. So let me go look on these other sites to see if they have that style. a Great point.
00:43:24
Speaker
You know? um I think it's always helpful. Honestly, like since I've been like thinking about this, if I see like a lady or even a gentleman on the street and I like what they're wearing, I'm like, where did you get that? You look amazing. And like people feel really good when you compliment their outfit or you're like, oh, your style is so cool. Where did you get that? And they're always like, oh, I got it at a vintage shop in Copenhagen. I'm like, all right, well, um like obviously I'm not going to be able to do that.
00:43:50
Speaker
But like sometimes you can like get like, they're like, oh, I did just get it like at Old Navy. And you're like, that looks incredible. You know? so like, I think just like talking with people too can be helpful. Like if you see someone whose style that you like, one of your friends, like, where do you guys shop? yeah can i Can I go with you? You know, that kind of thing can be really helpful.
00:44:11
Speaker
and And what you're saying, Patty, reminds me that, but yeah, probably one of the reasons my mom and I go back to loft all the time is because they have a petite section and we're both short. yeah so that is another aspect of it is I have to find things that actually fit that aren't going to be too long or just weirdly shapen.
00:44:32
Speaker
So yeah. that the The one thing that like a lot of people will say to um like YouTube, other like people that are into, into styling and fashion is like,
00:44:45
Speaker
invest in getting pieces tailored and it's hard to invest in that. Like if you buy a pair of pants for $20 on sale at loft, you're like, well, I'm not going to pay someone $50 to hem them for me.
00:44:56
Speaker
Like I'd rather at that price point, just find something that's good enough. But like, if you get like a good pair of pants that you know are going to last for like years and years and years, like getting it tailored, getting them actually hemmed to fit specifically you.
00:45:10
Speaker
you know, or like people can like take in waistbands and take out waistbands if you gain weight or you lose weight. Like that is possible to do, especially with like really well-made things. So yeah,
00:45:21
Speaker
that is like another route that you can kind of go down. But like, I'm with you, Charlotte, like i'm I'm kind of like, it would take a lot for me to be like, I'm going to bring this piece to the tailor to get them to like fit it to my body, you know?
00:45:34
Speaker
So like most things I want to like try and find a place that like will reasonably fit me. And maybe I can make it work with like a belt or if I cuff the leg or something like that, or I wear it with heels. um But for some things like you can consider that,
00:45:48
Speaker
is that or maybe one of you guys sews, which would be amazing. You can consider that as like an option, you know, for like pieces that are like really investment pieces, like things you know are gonna be with you for a while. Like maybe I could go and get them you know or some stores leave them for you e which feels like a whole lot yeah i know a lot of times the dry cleaner will do it yeah and they tend to be pretty good or like some department stores still do it like i think nordstrom will and stuff like that yeah didn't j.crew used to do that like yeah have your pants for your jeans for free for free oh well if anybody listening right now is very interested in sewing and wants to be on the show but also teach us how to sew
00:46:34
Speaker
And can we mail you your our clothes to get them all hemmed? Yes. yeah would be awesome. I have like, I have like a really cool like trench coat that I got. It's kind of like an oversized one, like a couple years ago.
00:46:49
Speaker
And like, I love it. It's so good. But like the buttons came off of it, like a couple of them. And I just was like wearing it without the buttons. I'm like, this is fine. Cause I always just wear it open.
00:46:59
Speaker
I'm like, this is ridiculous. You're 46 years old. You can sew a button onto your coat. So this weekend I was like, all right, fine, I'll sew it on. I'm like, this looks so much better. Now I can button it and it looks totally reasonable, you know? But it's like stupid things like that.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah. You like, you just like kind of like, it's like something that always gets like put to the side. so it's just like, fine. Like I'm fed up enough. I'm going to like get it done. i'm going to sew the buttons on, you know?

Color Analysis Exploration

00:47:28
Speaker
Okay. So a couple of other things. One is i want to talk about color. I found a Color Me Beautiful at the, at like a flea market for $10. So I have been reading it so I can learn about my color analysis. I will say it's like a little bit, like it was written in like the late seventies and like, there's some phrasing that's a little questionable. So it was like, I'll just focus in on the colors and I won't read too much. Like, it's just a little bit like
00:48:00
Speaker
if you're overweight, you should try to hide that by doing these things. i'm like, well, maybe like it's okay. Like maybe we're all fine. We don't need to like body sheen people in this book. Wear a tent.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah. Wear a muumuu. Yeah, totally. But it has been, it has been pretty good. So if you see one lying around at a thrift store or something, grab it.
00:48:25
Speaker
So what'd you find out about color, Charlotte? What are you, what's your color? Well, I started looking into it and it is a rabbit hole that you can go down, like fairly sure I'm a winter. Cause I have brown hair, brown eyes and light or ish skin.
00:48:42
Speaker
But then I'm like, am I, what is It's like, there's like warm winter, cool winter. yeah Like true winter. yeah yeah True winter. That I have no idea what I am.
00:48:55
Speaker
um But it does, I have known that certain colors look much better on me than others. Like, it's kind of like purples or dark blues or it like reds.
00:49:10
Speaker
um I don't know, purpley pinks, that sort of thing. So whatever that is, that's to me. that That's me.
00:49:22
Speaker
Can you wear orange? i Yeah, I can wear like a bright orange. I'm wondering if you might be in autumn. ah But winter does look good in a lot of pinks and reds and blue-reds. So i like I can see that because I feel like purple does look good on you. And like that red looks good too. I get a lot of compliments when I wear red. yeah um yeah And orange, I think it's OK on me, but it's not one of the better colors on me, maybe.
00:49:52
Speaker
Yeah. I could go with winter. I'll read about it some more. Okay. Patty, I'll try and also analyze your you season. Yeah, that was a rabbit hole that I started to read about and like almost did the thing that they showed on TikTok, like where you put the white piece of paper under your face. Oh, yeah. And then I was like, you know what? I think I'm just going to like look at the clothes I have and see which ones look good.
00:50:19
Speaker
I like couldn't go down that rabbit hole. I was like, I know blues and pinks tend to good. I cannot pull off a red for the life of me. and Yeah, red is not mine either.
00:50:31
Speaker
um you too i think you might be a spring like me. but with But like a light spring. I'm more of like a darker spring because like I can wear more like jewel tones. But I think like you because like even like a pastel, like your shirt looks like I couldn't wear that pastel. I would look like death personified, but you look nice in the pastel. So I think I think a lighter spring. Yeah, I think so, too.
00:50:54
Speaker
Because you both have sort of. um blondish brownish hair and ah lighter skin and then do you have blue eyes study or are they brown yeah and then like blue more of like a pinky blue undertone of my skin oh you might be a summer then because like i'm definitely more yellow which is why i think i'm a spring rather than like a nice pretty pink i'm more of a jaundice
00:51:23
Speaker
A beautiful, beautiful jaundice. A beautiful jaundice. ah Yes. No, no, that's not good. Yeah. tell ah Talk about your shirt, Charlotte. I'm interested to see which ones you picked. Okay. I did. I did look at two shirts and for continuity, they are both from loft.
00:51:41
Speaker
oh love it and They're both sort of similar color vibes, not like, um, the colors we were just talking about. ah It's more like ah white-ish or off-white and then yellow.
00:51:54
Speaker
So the one that I really like and I'm wearing all the time now is quite wrinkled. So I do need to wash it, but it's this one. It's got like, I don't know, sort of little black suns on it. and Not really suns, just like a design. And then it's got these, what do you call these?
00:52:12
Speaker
sleeves that are like a little bit it's a short sleeve it's a little puffy and then like a little puff sleeve kind of yeah yeah and it sort of flows and then you wear it you know probably over a tank top and so it kind of goes along with my I like layers so this one I've been wearing a lot and getting compliments on and then this one and it has like a split neck right so it's like not yeah it doesn't have a collar but it feels like it could have a collar so it's a little bit like blouse yes exactly yeah yeah yes that's right it buttons all the way up so oh and it can unbutton too but i just it unbuttoned all the way down ah yeah and then this one i have in my closet i like never wear it i got it a long time ago it's yellow it's got little like flower white flowers on it and it's got these ruffly sleeves it is quite comfortable but i think it
00:53:07
Speaker
Like, because part of this was looking at like, why we do wear something and don't wear something. And I think this is like, okay, it's got the ruffly sleeves. So a cardigan is ah it's a little bit like you're just hiding the ruffly sleeves if you wear a cardigan. So what's even the point?
00:53:24
Speaker
And then The color is maybe not the greatest for me. And it's also old. Like, I've had it a long time, and I'm maybe just tired of it. And I think it was one of those things that was on sale. And so i was like, okay, I need this for work.
00:53:40
Speaker
Yeah. But I don't really need it for work. Right. Like, it was an option that you could have. Yeah. Right. i It was just... It was just needing a lot of shirts for work.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, thinking about it in this way has been helpful because also then I was thinking about that levels of formality ah video that you sent where yeah i yeah I have way too many dresses and things for parties or work or weddings. And I how often do I ever wear any of them or need to?
00:54:19
Speaker
yeah Right. And they're from like, just start wearing them all wearing your party dresses to work. and like any other I took your note about no leggings. So now, now wedding attire every day. yeah But also they're from like 20 years ago. So half of them don't fit. They're just yeah waiting for the day that that I anyway.
00:54:45
Speaker
Too many, too many fancy dresses. One of the things, this is good

Wardrobe Evaluation and Resale Tips

00:54:49
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though. Cause literally the index lesson they sent me this weekend says one thing you can use to most things in good condition, you can sell them.
00:54:59
Speaker
online on like Poshmark or something like that. And at a minimum, like most things you can probably get like 20 bucks for it. That's what they said. I don't know that that's true, but they're literally like go in your closet and be like, would I rather have this shirt or $20? And if the answer is $20, then put it in the pile of things to sell or to donate, you know? And I thought that that was helpful because if you think about it in that way, like if you can sell like some of your dresses that are probably in good condition,
00:55:29
Speaker
that you don't wear them anymore or they're too formal for your lifestyle. Like, can you sell them on Poshmark and then get money and be like, Hey, I sold three dresses and I got $75. So now I can go and like buy a new work shirt that costs $75 instead of four of them on sale for $15 each or whatever it is, you know?
00:55:48
Speaker
So like kind of thinking about it that way, like you have these, like you have, they were saying like, you have assets in your closet that you're not using. So like, how can you make them work for you? I don't wanna maybe like make it all focused on money. Cause that's not really that helpful either. But you can like kind of think about those, the trade-off. Like would I rather have like just one or two shirts that really look good on me or 25 yellow flutter sleeve shirts that like are all cluttering up my closet and I don't ever feel like wearing them.
00:56:17
Speaker
um It's hard though. Like I totally get it. I have stuff that doesn't fit me anymore either. And it's in the attic. Cause I'm like, I can't get rid of it. Like maybe one day it will fit me. And I know that's dumb. Like I know I should just get rid of it.
00:56:28
Speaker
But like it's it is it's hard to it's hard to do it. You know, I i totally understand. Not to promote our own podcast, but I do wonder if maybe listening to the internal family systems and doing a little work around like, what is that that makes us want to keep these things? You know, which part of us is holding on to them could be helpful. i Just link it in the description so people can go right to that one. That's perfect.
00:56:53
Speaker
I actually totally agree that these two podcasts do have some of those overlapping qualities about aspects of ourselves that we want to maybe play up or get to know more or... um uh figure out why we have buried them in the closet and are holding on to them forever right or why we're like avoiding thinking about what we look like or what we wear you know like yeah i'll i totally agree i um i pulled these two shirts so this one i wear like a lot it's linen um
00:57:33
Speaker
has like a cool, yeah, it's like a bright green, which I think looks reasonably fine on me. I think it looks okay. um And it has like some white embroidery. So it gets a little of like the boho theme that I was like trying to avoid buying things for, but I do like, I do like it and it's nice. I can wear it. Like if I go to a client site for work, I'll wear it with like trousers and under like a blazer or maybe my emotional support cardigan, or just like with shorts on the weekend, it also looks good. So I like that it's like a hundred percent linen. It like is breathable. It's kind of like a fun, unexpected color, you know, and like the embroidery is, is good.
00:58:14
Speaker
Um, and I like that I can wear it kind of for more casual or for like work, not like I wouldn't wear it like to a presentation, but just for like a client visit or something, it would be fine.
00:58:26
Speaker
And then I have this like white like short sleeved, also 100% linen shirt. And I literally never wear this ever. And I bought it because I was like, everyone should have like a short sleeve linen shirt in the summer, which like, this is my short sleeve linen shirt, which I wear all the time. the green and I got this one.
00:58:46
Speaker
and I even like before got on the call, I like came back from my walk and I was like, let me put this shirt on and see what I think about it. And I was like, I hate how this looks on me. Like it looks bad and it is uncomfortable. Like I think it's like oversized, it's supposed to be relaxed fit.
00:59:05
Speaker
But I think i like I got an extra, extra small because I was like, this is relaxed fit, so it's going to be massive. But I think I should have actually gotten a bigger size so it really like leaned into the relaxed fit because I think it's like Not relaxed enough to look like relaxed, but it's not like fitted enough to look ah like put together.
00:59:26
Speaker
And then because it's like linen, the color no matter how many times I iron it, like the collar is always janky and it's always like a little wrinkly, whereas this one like will like iron pretty well.
00:59:38
Speaker
So I was like, I think it might just be time for me to get rid of this, which is really upsetting because I feel like I should like it. Who doesn't like a white collared shirt? But I literally like just look at it every day and I'm like, this is an albatross in my closet and I hate it so much. Yeah, sell it. you got that. Yeah, I think i would time i think I'll sell it.
00:59:59
Speaker
It's from J.Crew. It's really nice. Like I feel like someone will use it. Absolutely, yeah. yeah Plus, I feel like white is not my color, and I get stressed out, I'm going to spill something on it, which I realize is like kind of dumb because there's bleach and stain sticks and everything, but i but i all I'm not a white shirt person yeah no matter how much I try to be. Well, and it's interesting because I feel like that's similar to the shirt you're wearing, Patty, and it's like it is oversized, and it's kind of nice. It doesn't have the color. It has like the split color instead of actual color. Yeah, and this is one that I bought.
01:00:36
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like, I think five years ago, and then just started wearing after this exercise, because I was like, oh, it's a little bit bigger than what I would have wanted. However, it's similar to some other shirts that I've really liked lately, where it's a blouse, and the other ones have collars, but they're oversized, they have this kind of, is it raglan sleeve?
01:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. but or Sorry, my ah fashion terminology is poor. um but But, and it just, so like they feel put together enough, like it's very relaxed, but not sloppy, not yeah too casual. Like, so um I do feel like, okay, for Zoom calls, great. If I'm going to you know, be in front of like parents, like, or other adults at like my niece and nephew's school events or whatever, i don't feel like,
01:01:29
Speaker
out of place. um Yeah, and i like I like the look of it. so um yeah it does like it like drapes like nicely on your shoulders I feel like when I wear mine it's like the shoulders are like too like I have square shoulders already and it like makes me look so square you know and I'm like okay like I don't know that I really mind that but it just it's a fit is awkward like on you it like looks it looks nice and I think it's something with the collar too like I just don't have like a collar on me and like that one with no collar is really nice and I think also like
01:02:04
Speaker
like you were saying, I embraced that it was going to be oversized. So I think, you know, it's either like my size or bigger. i didn't even like yeah go smaller. Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
No, it looks great. Both of you guys look good. i was like, this is, this is making me feel like I should have worn a nice blouse or something. Yeah.
01:02:26
Speaker
We knew we had to had to show up. and Show up with our style, yeah. how out do um Patti, can you think of any shirts that you have that you like you haven't been wearing and why that might be the case?
01:02:39
Speaker
So I do have one that's similar to this where it has the split neck, but it's, ah what is this? Horizontals?
01:02:50
Speaker
Nope. Vertical stripes. Um, which I was like, oh, it's so cute. And it's also linen. It's a little bit more structured and boxy. And it's like, um, an off white, like natural fiber with like, uh, the stripes are kind of like a muted pinkish red and it looks so cool. Except as soon as I put it on, they look like prisoner jumpsuit, um, pajamas from like old timey, or like I'm wearing old timey, um,
01:03:23
Speaker
baseball uniform so now that I got it in my head I'm like I can't wear it anymore and it just bums me out because I'm like I really like it I like you know but yeah it's just all all kinds of wrong for that yep I'm like I'm wearing a costume ah do they have it in like a non-stripey or is it too like it's too old like you can't get it a different color yeah I got it like yeah summers ago um yeah or two falls or something that and I don't even remember where anymore but yeah So yeah, this is definitely something I'm gonna continue to try out. And I mean, should we move into accessibility or did you have other thoughts?
01:04:05
Speaker
I just have one last thing. Would it be too off the wall for me to have as an aspirational word Parisian.

Aspirational Style Exploration

01:04:13
Speaker
ha Not at all. Not at all. No, I think that's okay.
01:04:17
Speaker
I was kind of going back and forth if that was like something that I wanted to incorporate because I think there is like a classicness to like the French look. So like I think you can lean like a little bit that way even with just classic.
01:04:33
Speaker
Oh, and maybe I'll just, I'll just start looking at some Parisian type outfits. And I do have some striped things, actually a lot of striped things. So the stripes reminded me of that, but like the other way, the Parisian, right? Not the jumpy way. Or Parisian?
01:04:50
Speaker
Parisian. Parisian. Yeah. Yeah. I also am super into stripes. There's a brand that i I kind of have a love hate relationship with. They're from Paris called Cezanne.
01:05:03
Speaker
um So I would say Charlotte, maybe like look there. They're like kind of like the Parisian style, but they also lean a little bit like boho, I would say.
01:05:14
Speaker
Like sometimes it's it's on more it's like on the more expensive side and I have questions whether they're like that quality for the price, but I like to like look at their styling and like look at the types of pieces that they have to like, kind of like as a way to kind of start thinking about what, ah like what things I might want to look for elsewhere or like maybe I want to get it from them or whatever.
01:05:38
Speaker
So maybe like look at that and see if that speaks to you for your Parisian style. Oh, I love this. Thank you. Yay. ah I will say too, like, I really like Everlane and they are like a more like sustainable allegedly brand. Like you kind of have to do like a lot of research, but they have a lot of like very like neutral, like basics, like a lot of classic cuts.
01:06:05
Speaker
So that's like another place to kind of like look and see. I like to, even if I don't buy things from there, it's like another place I like to go to, to kind of like see what kind of style of, of pieces they're, they're making.
01:06:16
Speaker
don't think about like how to incorporate them. okay That's good. Thank you. Like, yeah, the more ah the brands that. Yeah, I just need to know more, more brands to look at even just to see what I like.
01:06:31
Speaker
But like, even I think like loft, if that's like a place that you're comfortable to go to, like now that you have like some style words, even if they're not like honed down as much, but you know, you're like, Hey, I want like more comfortable. I want more relaxed, classic, maybe Parisian. Like, what does that mean?
01:06:47
Speaker
You can like look for pieces like that there. Cause I think like brands like that do tend to like kind of
01:06:54
Speaker
peanut butter spread a little bit across styles. Cause they're like working, they're like trying to appeal towards like the working lady, but like everyone has a little bit of a different style. So it is like in that like preppy classic style, but I think sometimes they'll branch out with like a print or a certain cut in different directions. So you can kind of like just look more thoughtfully for those kinds of pieces there, you know?
01:07:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Good call. Thank you. Okay. Now I'm ready to do accessibility. Okay.

Personal Style vs. Fashion Trends

01:07:25
Speaker
All right, so for accessibility, I feel like this is pretty accessible. I mean, because again, it doesn't mean that you have to buy new, you don't have to buy it all. You you know, like it's not so much about the consuming of new product versus kind of going inwards and thinking through like,
01:07:53
Speaker
how to you know like how do I want to present myself and what feels makes me feel good? And then how do I get there? So of course there are ways that you can do that at other, you know many levels. But in terms of the resources, you know I mean, everything that you sent us, Ivy, was free to read, to download.
01:08:12
Speaker
I got a book called The Curated Closet here from the library. um So I had checked that out and started that one. um You know, so they do have things available both online as well as at your local library to be able to check out.
01:08:32
Speaker
So accessible is what I say. How about you? I completely agree. Looking at just you know YouTube videos and articles, it was very easy. Then you can find other information that's also really easy to come by And and right like i think we've talked a lot about different ways to build your closet that don't involve spending a ton of money or like even freshen up your your wardrobe.
01:09:02
Speaker
and just bring out your style without like but you know having to ah conform to somebody else's style without um having to... um like I think part of what I liked about it too is that I had some idea that, okay, there's there's what's trending now and maybe that's what style is, but it's really not. Like you could be like, but for a while i was like, skinny jeans are always, always gonna be what I wear forever and ever.
01:09:37
Speaker
And I don't care what happens in terms of trends. And then I decided that that was really not comfortable and I didn't like it anymore. But like somebody could continue on and say, like, I just love 18th century dresses or whatever. Yeah. ah Probably not that.
01:10:01
Speaker
But. Yeah, I like the fact that it it's more like just how you want to express yourself.
01:10:10
Speaker
Maybe even you can make some money if you sell things that are in your closet that you're not wearing. So maybe it's even going in the opposite direction, right? That is true. I think I could make a good amount of money if I just put my mind to how am I going to do this?
01:10:26
Speaker
am i And just you know going through with with doing it. Yeah, I do like those commercials for, I think it might be Poshmark, where people say, like, I bought this on Poshmark last summer when I was really into my, you know, 18th century dress era.
01:10:44
Speaker
And now I've moved on, so I'm selling it on Poshmark, you know, and, like, it's cute to watch, like, obviously, they're commercials, but, you know, them showing someone else now wearing that dress, and then they bought, like, you know, frilly what are those called?
01:11:02
Speaker
Fringe, fringy leather jacket from somebody else, you know? So they show like, that's who used to have it and now it's me. And it's just like, yeah, makes you feel good about essentially thrift shopping.
01:11:16
Speaker
This was great. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. It was great for me. It was so fun. yeah i I can't wait to have a capsule wardrobe that's somewhat Parisian, really comfortable.
01:11:34
Speaker
i can see it. i can see it for you. can too. Thank you. Thank feel like I've seen you in it, you know, like in at least outfits of it. So it's like, it's there. Yeah.
01:11:46
Speaker
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01:11:57
Speaker
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