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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. Yeah, it's December. December 8th. Winter is nearly upon us. Yeah, it's been very warm. Yeah. Here in the Northeast, you know, we tend to dread for most of us. Anyway, man, he's looking for snow. He loves the snow. Oh God. He says his car is one inch off the ground. I know. If it rains too hard, he can't drive.
00:01:43
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But I am not looking forward to moving any snow around. No. Before we start, let's thank our sponsor Hayfla. Hayfla offers a wide range of products and solutions for the woodworking and furniture making industries. From hinges and drawer slides to connectors and dowels, sandpaper, wood glue, shop carts, and everything in between. Exclusive product lines such as looks, LED lighting, and Slido door hardware ensure that every project you create is built to last. Learn more at hayfla.com. Yeah.
00:02:14
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Support Hayfla, support the podcast. Yeah. Um, and if you're new to Hayfla, uh, let them know we sent you. Yeah. Um, it made me think I watched this video on up speak. Like imagine if this was read in up speak, like seems so much less credible.
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00:03:05
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Yeah, it's those inflections. Yeah. Some people talk like that all the time. Yeah. My wife sometimes talks and like stops mid sentence or just says something that's a statement and she thinks it's a question and wants me to respond. Yeah, I think that's a wife thing.
00:03:29
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It's like, well, what do you think? I'm like, I don't know that I thought that was a statement. Yeah. Let's make our communications as clear as possible. Yeah. Not a shrouded in some, you know. Yeah. Mystery. Right. Some secret language.
Community Connections
00:03:45
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Oh my God. Uh, we also want to thank
00:03:50
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Our electrician, Nick, from LNN Electric. If you're in the need of, if you're in the need, if you're in need of any electrical work in the tri-state area, give Nick a call at LNN Electric, 718-926-3075. Yeah, Tom, we sent you. That's right.
00:04:11
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I wonder what
Holiday Plans and Aging Concerns
00:04:12
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kind of holiday party Nick's planning. He's he's put out a couple of bashes. Yeah, we better be invited. That's right. I wanted like a New Year's Eve party. Oh, yeah. I got early. I got early plans on New Year's Eve, but nothing late because I probably will be asleep. Yeah. Do you make it to New Year's Eve to 12 o'clock? Not really. I mean,
00:04:35
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My wife probably wake me up at 12. Yeah. I would say about 50% of the time I make it. I mean, there's a good chance because it's Saturday this year. I mean, I could if I wanted to, I just don't. I don't know. Yeah. It's not that big of a deal, is it? No, not at all. Yeah. Well, we used to watch the ball drop and everything like that.
00:05:01
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Oh yeah. I mean, I stayed up till 12, you know, I don't know when I started like at one age, but when we were pretty young, our parents let us stay up till 12. Yeah. Um, right now I can't even remember the last time I was up till 12.
00:05:18
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I don't even know if I made it till 12 and maker camp any of those nights. Probably not. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That, I mean, I don't think so. It would have been close. It would have been a close call, but yeah. Um, like in a regular situation at home up till 12 o'clock, I can't think of any time being either or not in a while. No.
00:05:42
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I don't know if I made it till midnight last last year. Yeah. We're going to go across the street, have appetizers and stuff, hang out. But I think that's going to be pretty early. Yeah. Um, does, uh, do the in-laws, they stay up till midnight? Uh, I don't know. Maybe.
00:06:05
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Yeah. I think everybody's sort of of the mindset. It's like, you know, if we make it till 12, that's fine. But if not, who cares? You know, back in the old neighborhood, everybody be out on the streets banging pots and pans and stuff like that. Yeah. So no fireworks. Yeah. Shooting into the air. Yeah. So bullets can rain down on unsuspecting pedestrians several hundred yards away at terminal velocity. Exactly.
00:06:35
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Puncturing and car roofs. Oh yeah, yeah. New Jersey's too densely populated for that. Oh God. Don't waste your expensive ammo. Shooting in the air.
00:06:47
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Yeah, Chris Rock has a great skit about making bullets expensive that will cut down on some violence. Well, they're pretty expensive, not as expensive as they are in that skit. But there's in that safe right there, there's several hundred dollars and there's not that much in there. Yeah. We just recorded the episode for two weeks from now. We won't tell you what we did, but we're in pain at the moment.
00:07:18
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Put it that way. Yeah. Oh man. I, you know, I think, um, when we were moving the, uh, the only thing I can think of is when we were moving the, the Harvey dust collector pulling into van, must've done some like, it's like my rib cage is sore. Like I'm like a muscle and my, my rib cage is sore. That's the only thing I can think of.
00:07:44
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So you got like a stitch in your side. Yeah. It's like, man, getting old ain't no joke. Don't they say if you don't use it, you lose it. Yeah. You know, the worst part about getting hurt and your injuries, these little nagging injuries as you age is they take so much longer to get over. That's one thing you have to look forward to. Yeah. Um,
00:08:12
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Cause if you do anything like we do and probably a lot of people listen to us, you're used to getting small little injuries all the time, little nicks and stuff like that here and there. They just take longer to get over.
00:08:28
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Um, yeah, like that varicose vein thing on my lip. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. Like I got this little purple on the inside of my lip. All of a sudden appeared just like little purple bump, almost a little dot. And you know, of course, first thing you think of, Oh man, I hope that's not cancer. So I show it to my wife. She's like, Oh, you got to get over to the dentist. I'll just ignore this for a few years and see what happens.
00:08:55
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Yeah. Well, you know, man, we, we tend to like, my first thing is, well, let's see what happens. I'll give it a week. See what happens. Cause that's reasonable. It's like, cause in my mind, I'm like, well, if it's cancer, nothing's going to change in a week. My wife's like, I got my stomach hurts. It's either meningitis or stomach cancer. I'm like, why don't you just like wait a couple of days and see if it goes away?
00:09:23
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Yeah. So I'm like, you know, like weird things happen with your body. I'm like, my, like, whatever, my wrist hurts right now. I don't know why, but it's just, you know, I'm just going to chalk it up to a fluke. It's like we, when we were lifting those, those bent, those, uh, banquettes, I noticed my left wrist is for one reason or another, it's just weak right now. Like I can barely hold up the bench with my left hand.
00:09:46
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But anyway, so I tell, I show my wife, she's like, Oh my God. She calls, she gets right on the phone to the dentist. Um, and cause he had cut off. Like I had this thing from biting my lip and he'd cut that off.
00:10:01
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Uh, like a scar tissue or something. Yeah. Yeah. So she's figured he'll do, he'll do it. So the, the appointment wasn't for like the better part of a week and I'd forgotten all about it. That's when then they called me on Monday. Cause it was Tuesday, the appointment suppression and getting in on like an emergency visit. Yeah, I know. You know, my wife. So I go in there. I lean back in the chair.
00:10:25
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I tell you, I must have been in the chair for like two seconds. He said, oh, that's varicose vein. Raising me up. Yeah. I didn't know you could get him in your mouth. Yeah. He says, again, here you go. This is why I thought of it. He goes, yeah, as you get older, these things can pop up anywhere. Like, oh, great.
00:10:47
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I feel like I have had like a swollen vein in my mouth before, but like where I bit it, you know, like when you bite your lip, then you like maybe aggravate the vein a little bit. That's what I thought. Maybe, you know, did I bite my lip or something like that at night, sleeping or?
00:11:03
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Who knows? Well, anyway, it was, you know, my wife, she's all relieved, of course, you know, and I am too. That's nothing serious, but, um, that's
Woodworking Projects
00:11:14
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it. It's more, more stuff to look forward to as you get older. I already got varicose veins. I got them horrible in my right leg. Yeah. And you're, you're young and I've had them for years. Yeah. Yeah. So, um,
00:11:29
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This is what we do. We're constantly, I mean, we were working with plywood and mica. And so how many little cuts you got on your hands now? I mean, just on my index finger, I got like six tiny little slashes. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Uh, I got one, two, three, four, five.
00:11:54
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You can't even count the little because the mica just cut you and you don't even know it. Yeah. Until you get home. It's like when you move an air conditioner. Oh yeah. You touch the fins and you get cut and you don't know. Yeah. So we got all these tiny little things. And me, uh, you can tell, you always tell what I'm working on something. There's little red dots everywhere. You get you a pair of gloves for Christmas. Yeah.
00:12:21
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Yeah. Yeah. Christmases is coming up quick. Um, you know, it's that Halloween Thanksgiving Christmas rush. Um, feels like it was just Thanksgiving. Yeah. I mean, really it was, I guess. Right. Two weeks ago. Or was it, was it a week ago or two weeks ago? No, it was two weeks ago. Yeah, it must've been. Yeah. Um, wow.
00:12:52
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And a new year will be upon us before we know it. So that means Christmas is in two weeks. Well, what's today? The eighth. Today's the eighth. Yeah. I mean two weeks and a couple of days. Two weeks on Saturday. Oh my God. Holy crap. Yeah. Yeah. Get out there and put my Christmas lights up on Saturday.
00:13:16
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Not me. I got two strings of lights that I run along the porch, the front porch. I don't have any outlets in the front, so that's my excuse. Yeah. Are we going out to Long Island before the new year? Are we doing that? The measure, is that going to be after? That's the week of Christmas that we can go out there. Yeah. I told Nancy I'd let her know. Yeah. So we've been
00:13:47
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I will talk about the shop, I guess later, the new shop, but been working on these bank cats for Jim Jamal up in Jersey City or the upholstery guy that we work with. I think we talked about him. You shaped bank cats, four of them.
00:14:03
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Yeah, they're biggens. Yeah. 90 by 51. And they're like 40 inches high. Yeah. The backs are tall. I mean, on their bases, they're 42 and a half inches high. Yeah. They're 29 and then, yeah, 10 and over the nine and a quarter plus inch and a half, 10 and three quarter plus 29.
00:14:26
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Yeah. Cause I remember pulling a tape along the back when I was trying to squeeze it into the van. Oh yeah. Cause I cut the wiggle wiggle wood in the back 39 and five eighths. Yeah. So they're probably, they're probably, I think the 39 and three quarter. Yeah. 10 and three quarter. Wait, what was it? 10 and three quarter plus 39. Yeah. 29 something like that.
00:14:49
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Uh, with toes, mica toes and cushion bases. So those tomorrow we have a client meeting local and then we'll, we'll run up and deliver those. They're going to Englewood cliffs, uh, which is, um, like north of Fort Lee. Yeah. We're going to have to convoy it. Yeah. So we couldn't fit it all in the van. We're going to have to put some of my in the back of my truck. Okay. Thanks. But yeah.
00:15:21
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Yeah, that's how big these things were. I mean, we loaded and unloaded them like three times, which was no easy feat. Yeah. Yeah. They're, I mean, they're, they're heavy and all the weight is in the back. They're awkward. Yeah. Yeah. Um, hopefully there's some people there that can help us unload them. Oh, that would be awesome. Like, Hey, uh, so, so you got some guys who could, you know, Yeah. I wonder like where they're going. And I mean, we have the festival dollies in the van.
00:15:50
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Yeah. I kept that in there specifically to use for, uh, cause those Harbor freight ones suck. Yeah. Um, there is a freight elevator. So wherever they, if, you know, it'll just be rolling, rolling them one by one to the elevator, bringing them up. Uh, so we'll screw the toes on and we have these little clips to hold the cushion bases. We'll screw those on and then leave them for Jim. Jim's going to do the upholstery.
00:16:17
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Yeah. I mean, they're just going to be set in a big room. I guess they're not going to be put in place or anything like that. Are they? No. I'm pretty sure they're just freestanding. Yeah. I mean, they're heavy enough where you couldn't move them if you know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:37
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Yeah. Once they're on their base, they're a little bit easier to move around the room. Anyway, you'll have that little finger hold underneath. Yeah. Cause there's the overhang. Yep. Right now they sit flat on the floor. Yeah. So it's tough to grab all of them. Yeah. So would we use a
00:17:01
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We used 16 sheets and then we used another eight sheets, right? 24, 24 sheets of three quarter plywood. And was it 15 sheets of wiggle, wiggle wood? Uh, what'd we get? 14 the first time. And then I think it was 14 and then one. So yeah, it's a lot of material in there. And, uh, well, I mean, there was a decent amount of waste, but that's just from cutting out the curves. Yeah. And thousands of staples. Yep.
00:17:33
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Probably. And a couple of bottles of glue. Yep. Yeah. It was, I mean, there's a lot in those things because we had a layer up the wiggle board. Yep. Three layers on the, on the cushion supports and two layers on the bases. Yeah. Had we been able to get curve core, it would have been a lot faster, but I mean, we still got it done in, in, uh, the amount of time that, that I had estimated. So that's good.
00:18:02
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Yeah, that's always good to come in on, on point. It was actually probably less because all these interruptions, the material came in Wednesday and we had, we'll call it one man day on Wednesday. Then Thursday we had, do we work on that all day on Thursday? No, we didn't, we podcasted last week. Didn't we?
00:18:33
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Did we do two the week before? Or did we podcast last week? Let me see. I think we podcasted. Let's see what last week's episode was called. Sniffles.
00:18:58
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Yeah. So yeah, I guess we did. So we'll say we had another, uh, we had, you know, we worked the one and a half man days and there says two and a half then Friday, I think Friday I was at, Oh yeah. Friday you were doing, were you, were you in the shop on Friday? And I, will we separate it on Friday? Oh, Friday you went over to meet the Verizon guy.
00:19:28
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man, it's a blur. Was that Friday? Yeah. Yeah. December 2nd. Okay. Um, but that was probably, that was only, that was like two hours. Yeah.
00:19:45
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Well, whatever. We're not going to, we're not going to, uh, bore you guys trying to figure out how many days we spent on this, but a little less than a week. Yeah.
New Shop Setup
00:19:52
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Today's Thursday. And I was in the new shop for a lot, a lot of time this week. Um, I think I was there all day pretty much on Tuesday, Monday, Monday. Yeah.
00:20:10
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Was that Monday or Tuesday? It wasn't yesterday. No, it was Tuesday because Tuesday was my dental appointment. Oh, yeah. Yes. Tuesday. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't do anything on the bank gets on Tuesday cause I was in the shop and then I was using the laser Monday. Yeah. Monday afternoon you were over there helping run. You were like picking stuff up. Oh yeah.
00:20:35
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Yeah. I think about 10 o'clock. I was only in the shop till 10 o'clock on Monday. Yeah. Then I went over there. Then I ran out to get material and then I went back. Yeah. You were Nick's helper. Yeah. I'm putting up the lights, drilling out the things, lights, then Wednesday. That was yesterday. Yesterday we worked. Yeah.
00:21:05
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Yeah, we were just back and forth dropping shit off. That's a couple of times. Yeah. So really, I mean, we did it in a lot less time. Yeah. Those bank gaps are so big that we had to move them over to the other shop. As we finished four of them, we couldn't keep them in the shop and work anymore. Yeah. Built four halves, brought them over there and then built the other four halves, brought them over there.
00:21:28
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then build the toes and the cushion bases. Yeah. And as we were building them, we were putting them in the van individually. That's like, we couldn't keep more than one of them in the shop and still work. Yeah. Because they, you know, one half takes up about 17 square feet. Yeah. Yeah. And trying to work on the bases and the tops and everything. Those take up almost as much room.
00:21:57
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Yeah. I mean, to do the mica on the toes, like I need like, you know, nine or 10 feet because I got to spray the mica. I got to spray the base. Um, so yeah, I hadn't done mica in probably four or five years came out good. Yeah. Uh, I was, I was pleasantly surprised that I remembered like riding a bicycle. Yeah.
00:22:23
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I still don't know how to knock it cut, but that's it.
00:22:30
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, I tell you on a, on a similar, uh, vein to the cuts is that inexpensive plywood and wiggle board that we use for this stuff. It's just splintery, like crazy trying to sand off the, uh, the, the rough edges and stuff like that. Oh my God.
00:22:56
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Yeah, the Wigglewood I can understand because that's just the composition of it, but that Vietnamese plywood that we got so bad. I forgot how bad plywood could really be.
00:23:08
Speaker
Yeah. What'd they call that? What was that conversation like with fast when you were ordering it? Um, I said, Oh yeah. Give me a price on a three quarter shop. I said, you know, it's just, it's going to be a pollster. And she goes, Oh, well, if you're looking for something cheap, we got, I said something, you know, just something cheap, whatever. We got this import birch, a dollar 32 a square. I'm like, well, sign me up. Yeah.
00:23:37
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the, you know, it's so funny. Like just with a piece of one 20 hand sandpaper, you can see him straight through the top veneer. Oh yeah. The top veneer is so thin. You can see through it and you can see the black glue underneath of it. I mean, it's really, really thin. Yeah. I don't even know how they cut it that thin. Yeah. Um, it's like tissue paper thin. Yeah.
00:24:03
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Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, really. I mean, relatively void free, but just bad quality. Yeah, it was actually only one instance in all of those raps that I did where I hit nothing and had to, you know, like secure it. Yeah.
00:24:27
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So you're right. I didn't even think about that. So, you know, it has its pluses and minuses. Yeah. And we've got six sheets left over. We're going to use for some of the new shop guaranteed. And we got a bunch of weird size scrap. Yeah. And I guess because of the lack of voids, it, it stayed relatively flat. I mean, we've had more expensive plywood do more cupping and bending than this. Oh yeah. Yeah. I wonder, do they sell eight by eight Micah? Hmm.
00:24:58
Speaker
You mean for our tabletop? Yeah. That'd be nice to have a seamless top. Yeah. For the table saws too. Yeah. Well, you know, who knows? Fez. Yeah. Could just get two four by eights and just seem it. Yeah.
00:25:22
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Something about having like that seamless, then you don't want to drill into it or anything. No, that's a problem. Yeah. It's too nice. It's just not easily replaceable. You know, probably just do two pieces of melamine or something. There you go. That's probably better. Cause that stuff's cheap. That's probably $45 a sheet. Yeah. Maybe not even. Yeah.
00:25:53
Speaker
What'd you think of those benches that, um, uh, timber made the big ones, those, those three sheet benches they made. Uh, you remember those, uh, CNC, uh, I mean, they're all right. Yeah.
00:26:12
Speaker
I thought it was pretty clever, a little design. Yeah. You know, these guys we know have a big CNC shop. Timber, they designed these work, these four by eight work tables to utilize three sheets of plywood. And it all goes together. Like, uh, what would you call those half lappy? Not half lappy, kind of. What do you call that joint where, um, you know, it's like two cuts that go together.
00:26:42
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a half, it's like a half lap, I guess. Yeah. I just, I don't know. I want more mass in my table than three sheets of plywood. It'd be good for like, uh, something that you could break down and move around on a job site, but I'm putting it in the shop.
00:27:00
Speaker
You want it to be super sturdy and heavy. Yeah. I was thinking with the assembly, we should probably have two four by eight tables and maybe one is fixed and one's on wheels or they're both on the wheels that pop down. And oh yeah. Yeah. Um, because there's going to be times where you want to get to the backside of something, you know,
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah. Cause even, um, even that table over at, uh, Tom's, which was what, maybe five or six feet wide, that big assembly table. Uh, I mean, it was bigger than four feet, wasn't it? But it wasn't, wasn't that much bigger. You know, you, you had a hard time getting around it sometimes. It's almost like you went like a U shaped thing. Yeah. Get in there.
00:27:57
Speaker
Well, I'm sure we'll, uh, have a year and at this time next year, we'll be thinking about how we're going to, uh, rearrange the shop. Yeah. After working in it for a year, we're going to go, all right, let's do this. Yeah. Yes. We got to do a, we got to build a miter saw thing. We got to build a assembly table. We got to build a thing around the table saws. Mm-hmm.
00:28:25
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because you know those things aren't going to move. Oh, no, those things are all janky and they're time to be reimagined anyway. Yeah. They're just built in place kind of leftovers. Yeah. We've got bullshit stuffed under there. Yeah. Like we should probably make it so that.
00:28:41
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you know, now like the dust collection and stuff is, is under there. We should make it so that, you know, it's all kind of routed around and then coming out one, you know, one side. Yeah. Cause we're working with the port that's in the floor right now too, which is a fixed position. Um, we want to build a cabinet underneath the slider. Right. Oh yeah. Yep. Um,
00:29:09
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It'd be nice to have some stand up cabinets for all our finishing stuff. Yeah, I was thinking the whole back wall, you know, from not where the laser is, but from that corner all the way to the line boring machine, you know, having same height.
00:29:30
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countertop cabinet, you know, cabinets with countertop. That way the hinge boring machine, the pocket hole machine, everything is at the same level. Yeah. That would be a nice, convenient experience. Like as far as using it, right. Um, and it'll look good too. Yeah. Got the drill press over there though. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody have to stop. Stop where the drill presses is a drill press first in line.
00:30:01
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Uh, yeah. Yeah. With the machines. Yep. We'll figure it out. Excuse me. Coming down. I'm coming down. Yeah. Oh my God.
00:30:18
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like buzzing. Yeah. My head is pounding. Yeah, I mean, we could just have like a slot that the drill press sits into, like just a break in the cabinets. I was thinking maybe we hang like a cleat on the wall and then we could just like hang upper cabinets off of it, maybe. Yeah.
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah, because it's block walls and be easy to do something like that Yeah, then you're not trying to like, you know screw cabinets the wall. Mm-hmm. Just screw in a cleat You know put big holes With washers that way you can because you can never drill those tap con screws right in the exact spot where you need them to go Yeah, never really had great luck with tap cons They're pretty good look
00:31:11
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's just my inability to precisely put that, that hole, you know, when you started drilling into masonry, how it kind of wanders, you know, that, yeah, that's that part is, you know, it's easier on actual concrete than it is on block because the little pits in the block are, yeah. Yeah. So it never winds up where I want it.
00:31:40
Speaker
President say masonry. That one always cracks me up. Professional masonry services. Masonry masonry.
00:31:55
Speaker
So, yeah, electric wise, all everything. I think everything is is is fed wired. Yeah, it's fed, but the it's fed from the panels, but the new panels aren't fed yet. So there's right now there's a. I don't know what it would be called. It's like a three phase.
00:32:20
Speaker
Look, there's service comes in, it goes to a trough and then it feeds two panels, two, three phase panels. And then it feeds a three phase like shutoff. Yeah. Which must have fed another panel. It has like had three of those like a latch style fuses in them. Like, you know, like the big fuse and it has like the lever that you pull down.
00:32:49
Speaker
in there? No. They have the one big lever on the outside. Yeah. I thought on the inside it had like those big clips, those big copper clips where the fuse looks like a, you know, like a, um, you know, the size of like, uh, uh, like, I don't know what else, like a flare almost. Oh, yeah, maybe. I looked in there a long time ago.
00:33:18
Speaker
But I think it was just basically just like a big shutoff that was feeding another panel. So that panel was, it was gone when we got the place. I don't know how long it had been gone and there was no wires in that conduit. So it was basically just a conduit coming out of it. So anyway, that's going to get taken out. I'm going to add a new panel there and that's going to feed the new.
00:33:37
Speaker
The two new sub panels then yeah So that's a 200 amp Main panel and it's gonna be feeding to 100 amp Sub panels. Yeah, even though the panels are not hundred amp panels They're like ones a 200 amp panel with others like a 220 amp panel But they're gonna be I guess they're gonna be fed with a hundred amp breaker. Yeah main breaker so
00:34:06
Speaker
But yeah, we got plenty of power.
Shop Investments and Financials
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah. I think they said there's 400 amps coming in. Yep. Yeah. I mean, we've done a lot of work to the building. I mean, we did a lot of improvement. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't realize it was going to be so much because you didn't really, I didn't really think about it. I guess. You know what I mean? Like, like, oh, I just get a couple of, you know, get some more. Yeah. We'll just get in there. Yeah. A little electrical work, a little plumbing, boom, bang, bang.
00:34:37
Speaker
But it's, it's been a journey and we haven't caught any breaks financially at all. Oh my God. I mean, we're in untold amounts. Yeah. I mean, we're creeping in on like 50 K probably. Yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker
And that's what's bordering the electrical work. Yeah. Um, you know, 10,000 alone in electrical material. Yeah. And yeah, all the plumbing and, and rent, permits,
00:35:13
Speaker
I mean, everything just adds up so quick. Yeah, because there's big stuff and then there's just tons and tons of little things that just trickle out. I mean, we got 13, 15,000 in new machines in there between the edge bander, the slider and the forklift. Yeah. The transport.
00:35:39
Speaker
You know, we were, uh, forget the two machines all in was like eight or 9,000, 9,000 to move it. The forklift was what we pay 40, 4,500 or 42 50 40. That's been 42 50. And then, you know, another two 50 to move it. It's a lot. It adds up quick, but
00:36:08
Speaker
Hopefully once we're in there. It's a long-term investment. Yeah. You just got to hope the money doesn't run out before you can start.
00:36:22
Speaker
start reaping the benefits of the investment. That's it. But I mean that that's it. It's a, it's a leap. I mean, we're, we're growing our business. And so that's, that's always the most dangerous time and the most difficult time. So the fact that we can actually do it just three years in is quite an accomplishment actually. Yeah. And really, I mean, there's not, oh, I got to send myself a reminder.
00:36:53
Speaker
by me at 5 PM to order exit emergency signs. Okay. So that'll be another, uh, you know, $600 probably. Thankfully they're only, they're like, you know, they're less than a hundred dollars a piece. Okay. Um, but yeah, I mean, every day I get nickel and dime for a couple hundred bucks on just, Oh, we, you know, we need a lot of switches. Uh, yeah. Um,
00:37:23
Speaker
Yeah. Plunger. Yeah. Lunch. It adds up quick. I don't even remember what the hell I was saying before I had to set the reminder. Yeah. What were you saying? You were talking about, um, you're adding stuff up.
00:37:45
Speaker
and our total expenditures. Then we were talking about how it's an investment in the future. And I said it was like three years in that we're doing this and that's pretty good accomplishment. I don't know. My mind shot from an episode from two weeks from now. Yeah.
00:38:07
Speaker
Yeah. So you could imagine what effect it's had on my old brain. Cause when I'm at my sharpest, still got round edges, got like eighth inch round over at my best.
00:38:23
Speaker
I think we talked about it in the episode two weeks from now, but not that it matters then. But yeah, so tomorrow, maybe we talked about it in this episode. I don't even know. I can't keep track anymore. We'll be delivering those. The Bankettes. Yeah. No, we did talk about that. Yeah. Oh my God. This episode, we talked about it. Yeah, we must've. Yeah. We might have lunch at Chiller's. Yeah. What if they got any holiday specials?
00:38:54
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure they do. I'd sooner eat at the halal guys place next door. Yeah. But you know, we gotta give chillers a second chance. They got my order wrong. You know, the time I was there.
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah. Didn't you were like a Turkey burger or something? Yeah. But I ordered like, uh, you know how like burger places have all the burgers with names on them? Like the cowboy burger, this burger. Well, I ordered a specific kind of burger, but the only swap I wanted was a Turkey patty instead of the beef patty. Uh, and they gave me like a plain Turkey burger. He heard, all he heard was Bob, Bob, Bob Turkey burger. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:39
Speaker
And you had like a salad with chicken or something like that, right? Chicken Caesar salad. Yeah. It was okay. I mean, it's, that's hard to screw up. Yeah. Yeah. Throw some, throw a breast on the grill, but hopefully there won't be any traffic or anything going on on the highway tomorrow. No, uh,
00:40:03
Speaker
I mean, we'll probably be heading that way in nine 30 or something like that. So yeah, right. We have meeting up there by like 11, hopefully be on the road by 1230. Cause we got to screw the toes on and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do a little bit of assembly while we're there.
00:40:23
Speaker
I was thinking, you know, talk to this client tomorrow, maybe Monday we start hitting that job. Might as well, what the hell else we're going to do? Right. What's going on with the Hamptons? Waiting on the drawers for the vanities. We can start prepping the material for the fireplace. Yeah.
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, there's always something to do. We can always prep stuff for whether it's this job, the next job or the other. It's always good to have these things, you know, in the quiver. Yeah. Then by the time the job rolls around, it's like, oh, I got this done already. Yeah. Yeah. It can maybe
00:41:14
Speaker
I'd love to have the slider and the edge band and running before we build anything for the new shop. Yeah. Yeah. It'd just be so much faster and easier. Yeah. How, how those manuals coming, they get back to us. Nothing, nothing for mini max, but. And the other one, they said it's too old. Just look online, right? No. Well, they say he sent a, sent a bunch of PDFs, but none are the it's, none of them are the operating manual. It's just a bunch of schematics basically. Oh great.
00:41:46
Speaker
But I mean, we know how to run the machine. Yeah. So really, it's got to cross our fingers that when we plug it in and push the buttons. Right. I mean, it looks like it was operating. Yeah. A lot of this stuff that he says in German. Oh, great. But it's got the exploded views, which I mean, that's really what you need.
00:42:16
Speaker
The operating, it's like you just turn everything on. OK, this spinny logo is the cutters, you know. Yeah. And a lot of the little adjustments internally are familiar to us, those little counter things. Yeah, right. And they all have those values on them so you can figure out what. This is a glue pod assembly.
00:42:51
Speaker
So we got that for free, which was nice because he's like, I can't charge you for this. Yeah. They actually had to reach out to brand in Germany. Uh, yeah, nothing from mini max. I gotta maybe find somebody else. Yeah. I wonder if, um, who would be.
Machine Manual Dilemma
00:43:16
Speaker
So you tried talking to somebody that sells Minimax machines here in the US, is that what it is? No, I contacted Minimax directly. Wow. They gave us guts. Yeah, no response at all. But I don't know.
00:43:40
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe, uh, I find the, the, cause that's what we did with the brand thing. It's, you know, reached out to the local styles. Well, maybe not. Maybe I just called, I forget. Anyway, we have to get the manual for the slider just to have got to definitely get a blade for that. Yeah. Yeah. They're probably chopping up everything in the, in the world with that. Yeah. The, that blade was, it's rough.
00:44:11
Speaker
And the scoring blade too. Yeah, the scoring blade looked pretty good actually. Keep it as a backup. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I mean, we're getting pretty close over there. Yeah. The one thing, uh, would be nice if we had some, some nice racks.
00:44:35
Speaker
But putting the stuff on the ground, on sleepers, on skids, no big deal really. Yeah. I mean, that guy Marty says that he said he was going to sell that other one. So once he's ready to sell that, we can buy that for the hardwood, make do with that one for the plywood, have to bolt, you know, bolt it to the wall and to the floor.
00:45:02
Speaker
But it should be fine. We're not dealing with huge amounts of plywood at this point. Yeah. I wonder if we could put like, um, some planks of wood on top of the standards to extend those out a foot. I just, I don't think it's going to make any difference. Yeah. Just let it overhang a foot. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:25
Speaker
If anything, that'll exacerbate the, the, the tip tippiness, right? Because it's putting even more force out further. Um, and buying new arms is like, see the base. I don't think it's deep enough for, for bigger arms anyway.
00:45:45
Speaker
Yeah. I'm sure that cantilevers figured out, you know, with, with math, like how much overhang and everything like that. Yeah. With math. But if it's, if it's attached to the wall and attached to the floor, you know, it's not going anywhere. Somebody used math. Physics. Yeah. Um,
00:46:16
Speaker
So yeah, I don't know. That's what we got going on. Yeah. It was a shop was in an electrical disarray. When we went over there this morning, they had, there, there was definite signs of work going on. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was like seven slices of pizza in a box. How come we both thought of that? At least take it home and eat it. Yeah. Yep.
00:46:45
Speaker
I thought I smelled something. I opened up the box. It was almost a whole pie in there. I couldn't smell anything, but yeah. But I saw the, uh, there was a pizza box on top of the dumpster too. Yeah. I threw it in the dumpster. Was that one empty? I think so. But judging by the weight, who throws away pizza?
00:47:04
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, I, I usually, uh, keep it. Then the next day I'll eat it cold. Yeah. I mean, worst case you freeze it. Yeah. I mean, it was Domino's pizza, but still I could eat a whole Domino's pie. You know, it was pretty good. Was that, is it called Roma? That's down the block. It was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, they got sandwiches from there on a Tuesday or whatever day it was.
00:47:33
Speaker
The sandwiches looked okay. Yeah. I mean, it's a pizza place. It's, it's like, you just don't want it to be bad. Otherwise it, uh, so it's, it's a, it's good. Like if you're really hungry or whatever, you could always order from there and it's good enough. Keep your expectations low. Right. Manageable. Yeah. Um, I don't know what else to say.
00:48:03
Speaker
Me neither. We're definitely in the crash mode now. Yeah. You'll find out in two weeks what that means. We're sitting in reclining chairs. You even got your feet up. Oh yeah. Oh man. For next episode I'm going to be laying back with the microphone over my head.
00:48:33
Speaker
I was thinking we could probably take this. I'm about to shock you. Oh, man. We could take this floor and put it in that room at the new shop. You mean remove it? Yeah, it's just click together floor. Yeah. But what about this spot here? I don't fucking care about this. Once all this stuff sounds, it's just going to be basement again. You see the mess that's mounting on the other side of this curtain? No, it's just going to bleed its way on in.
00:49:02
Speaker
My wife's going to take this over. I was going to say, I think your wife has designs on this bed. She's already had dibs on it since, uh, before there was any inkling of any new podcasting space. Oh, she was pushing you out, huh? She was pushing me out before. Yeah. Before there was even a new shop. Wow. First, I was going to move into the garage, which, you know, obviously not possible.
00:49:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, when we fix up the garage, you know, maybe you could move the podcast out there and like, my God. She's like, you have the whole basement. I'm like the whole basement.
00:49:41
Speaker
I got this, what is this, eight by 12? 12, yeah. And my workbench over there, you will get rid of the workbench and nothing's getting done in the house. I was about to say the workbench is, that's part of the house. That's not really yours. That's so you can maintain the house. Right. That's like saying, you know, the kitchen is somebody's kitchen. Right. You just have, you have to have a kitchen. Yeah. Well,
00:50:12
Speaker
I think we'll sheetrock that place. That little room? Yeah, we should. Yeah, we'll fur it out. Put some foam. Yeah, the tree would transform that whole room. I mean, sheetrock, flooring, paint. What's up with that duct? Why is that duct stick so far into the room?
00:50:40
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, it's I don't know what they use that room for, but it definitely was something because they had heat pumped in there.
00:50:53
Speaker
But like it comes in and then the duct is inside the room, which I don't see why it should just, it should just end on the other side of the wall. Yeah. We could probably just take that out. Yeah. And then the other little room under the stairs where the toilet was, it doesn't need its own duct. No. It should be warm enough without the air is just going in there. Yeah. Yeah. So we can clear that shit out. That'll, that'll, you know, free up some space. What are we going to use the attic for?
00:51:25
Speaker
I just put some shelves up there, screws, glue. That's a good idea. Storage for consumables that you don't have to get to very often. Yeah. There's a couple tools that didn't even like, you know, like the, the hussy. Where the hell are we going to put the hussy? In the ladies room. Yeah.
00:51:54
Speaker
Yeah, put it on top of the bathrooms. Just pick it up with a forklift. Yeah, that's the thing. The hussy, I'd say that's the perfect kind of thing you can put upstairs, but it's too heavy to be moving up and down the stairs. We had a big pallet rack. We could just put it on top of that.
00:52:12
Speaker
Isn't there something else in the shed too or no? Uh, no, there's a couple little tool boxes. There was a machine in there for some reason. No, pulling it out of there. Um, there's the blankets. Um, I think that's it.
00:52:38
Speaker
Maybe it was the hinge boring machine or something. At some point we were pulling it in and out. Yeah. Splitter. I think that's the only thing that doesn't have a, doesn't have a home planned for. Yeah. Machine wise is the hussy. That and the edge sander. Yeah. Well that's, that thing's going to hit the road. But we're going to need a replacement when we go from round two. That's true.
00:53:11
Speaker
I think it's, I guess we, I guess we'll keep it. I think if we had it on like a base with wheels, it'd be all right. Yeah. Well, now it's not going to have to move because it just put in one spot and it doesn't have to move because it's not going to be in the way of anything. Yeah. Put it over by the laser. That's not a bad idea. Cause we got that quad outlet right there.
00:53:39
Speaker
Right. It only takes the regular, regular juice. Yep. Which is surprising. No dust collection on that though. Over there. Oh. Hmm. Maybe we ducked in like a gate there. Yeah. Turn the, turn the corner. Yeah. And just bring a four inch drop. Yeah. With a flex hose. Mm-hmm.
00:54:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Yeah, I'm pretty excited to get in there and start working. Yeah. Yeah, really the only thing left to buy aside from any unplanned, you know, little things that pop up is we're definitely gonna need some piping for the dust collection.
00:54:37
Speaker
Oh yeah. That's it's, it's a poorly planned city over there in the, uh, yeah, we'll take that apart and try and reuse it. It's going to be more expensive than to just, Oh yeah. Cause a lot of those joints are caught. Yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker
So probably just do, you know, regular HVAC hard pipe at first again. Yeah. Save the gates. Yeah. Um, the gates lad up quickly. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause they're Utah 20, 20 bucks a piece, basically 15, 20 bucks. Um, the gates gotta come off to take, get the tools out anyway, kind of.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, we'll, we'll enlist our buddy Keith. We'll call in that favor and help us move the machines in his truck. I was wondering, like if we had like, you know, six guys, we could just like pick the machines up and just like put them, you know, carry them out of the shop. Yeah. Um, and like into the van or, or until lift gate, whatever.
00:55:46
Speaker
Yeah. Especially if we start with like the table saws, take that whole thing apart, get the table saws out. Cause that'll open up the shop and you know, we'll be able to get in and out the door. Yeah. Um, and maybe if we get those mats up, yeah, definitely gotta pull those up.
00:56:15
Speaker
So we can roll, you know, the shapers on a, on a thing, the band saws on a thing, the wide belts on a thing, a mobile, you know, mobile base, the planer's got its own wheel in there. The laser's on wheels. Definitely got to pick up the laser with the lift gate. Yeah. And the joiner.
00:56:40
Speaker
Yeah. The jointer should really be picked up with engine hoist. Yeah. It's got those hooks on it. So you don't want to pick it up by the beds. No, no, no, no. Especially since it, it works so well now. The last thing we want to do is have to fool around with that again. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting snipe on it though. Probably got to look at it, but yeah.
00:57:07
Speaker
It's the, uh, the outfeed is just slightly lower than the cutter head. It just needs to come up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Once we start placing the machines in there, it's going to be exciting. Yeah. Did he run power to the edge banner?
00:57:35
Speaker
I don't think so. Cause that's our only hardwired machine. Yeah. And it's going to have like a conduit drop in from the ceiling. Yeah. I didn't see that. That's going to be more material watch. I'm going to need another 50 feet of three quarter inch at $13 a stick. Yeah. Yeah. Materials have been expensive.
00:58:04
Speaker
Yeah. And going to Lowe's for something like a box. Yeah. We're a piece of conduit. So I'm more expensive outlet. Those 20 amp outlets at war shower where I think like a dollar 75 or something. And at that Lowe's they were like $5. Oh my God. Yeah. There's more shower down there on Apple. Is that, is that the electrical place?
00:58:32
Speaker
No, war showers on Shrewsbury. Okay. Across from Monmouth builders. Ah. Yeah, that's close, but that's not the place I was thinking of. There's a plumbing place on Apple. Middletown plumbing. That's, yeah. There was something over there.
00:58:54
Speaker
I think that's Apple. It's one of those fruit, fruit streets over there. Yeah. Like the McDonald's is on the corner and the vets on the other corner. Red bank, vet hospital. Is that where that is? Yeah. Yeah. That's how I know that street.
00:59:10
Speaker
Yeah. So by the time we start recording, we're doing a triple, triple header today. Yeah. So by the time we're back in the studio, we might be in the new studio. No, we won't have that place rocking. It'd be best to just wait until that's ready, you know, to move in there.
00:59:37
Speaker
We'll be in the shop, but we won't be in the studio. Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Got to see if Ed'll come out for inspection. Yeah. Well, according to art, he had, doesn't care if we're working. Yeah, that's true. Because yeah, they just don't want the public in here. I said, we don't want the public in here either. I think we've think when our clients come and see this public. Yeah. My God.
01:00:05
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say that the podcast studio. Well, what's more important podcast studio or the office? The office needs a lot of work too. I mean, yeah. Well, we're going to do it all that paneling. We're going to go over it. It's probably easier. Just take it down to the studs. The office is in better shape than the podcast studio. Yeah. I mean the floorings, the ceiling in the podcast studio is also like six foot six or something.
01:00:34
Speaker
Which I guess, you know, that, that might be good for a audio based area. Yeah. Um, the, the lights in the office are all gone now. The, the last light that was working is no longer working. Yeah. I figured as much that was going to happen. Should probably just put in a freaking drop ceiling. Yeah. Go underneath that beam, you know, get the nice tiles, get a look like a, like a tin ceiling or something.
01:01:04
Speaker
Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah. I think those drops you things are pretty easy. Yeah. You, you hang it from those Unistrut things. Yeah. You have to use Unistrut. Oh yeah. Just wire. Yeah. All right. That's cool. You know, the, uh, AC, we could, uh, eventually like duck that into the ceiling because it's, you know, we'll just hide it, cover it up for now. Yeah.
01:01:35
Speaker
I mean, I think might work for all the fuck we know. Something else for Nick to look at.
01:01:43
Speaker
Yeah, there's like an air conditioning unit cemented into the wall from the 70s. That looks like more of a pain in the ass than it is. It's basically cocked in with concrete, you know what I mean? Yeah, you jiggle it around and it'll crack away. You just hit it with a cold chisel a couple of times and pull it out. The thing is, you just got to get one that fits back into that.
01:02:09
Speaker
That or just do something else. Yeah. Wonder if we could do like a mini split and put the condenser in the shop. Hmm. That doesn't make sense. No, it's got to be outside. Yeah. Put it on the roof. Just have to talk to Boris about it. Yeah. Mr. Cool, if you're listening,
01:02:35
Speaker
Sponsor us. Yeah. If you talk to Mr. Cool, tell them sponsor us. Yeah. Then we could just drop the ceiling below that AC unit. Yeah. Just leave it. Otherwise it's going to leave a big hole in the out exterior wall. We take it out. Oh yeah. Yeah. That big patch. Let's do that before paint.
01:03:04
Speaker
Well, I think we've stretched this thing about as far as it's going to stretch. Yeah. Like a piece of, uh, like an hour and two minutes stretched. All right. Well, I was going to say thank you for listening, but, uh, I have a prerecorded, uh, outro that says that same exact thing. Oh, good. I guess we'll talk to you next week. Everybody be good. Adios. Ciao.
01:03:32
Speaker
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01:04:10
Speaker
Ain't no shame but there's been a chain