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2023 Met Gala Recap
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The Italians have taken over the MET GALA. We recap all the looks from this year's met gala carpet. The good, the bad, the controversial... or not? Was there hidden pushback from celebs? Yes? No? These conspiracy queens break it all down.
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Introduction to 2023 Met Gala Recap
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome to Art Pop Talk. I'm Gianna. And I'm Bianca. Today we are diving into the 2023 Met Gala, all the looks, all our thoughts. And you guys pretty much know how we feel already about the theme Karl Lagerfeld, a line of beauty. But now, you know, let's hope this is a recap you've been waiting for.
00:00:26
Speaker
I think everyone has waited long enough for this recap. So let's get art pop talking.
Special Guests Announcement
00:00:35
Speaker
Hi, how are you post Met Gala Monday? Oh, I'm feeling good. It's nice to be back on my show. I will say I felt
00:00:50
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extremely happy to be an audience listening to you and Jane, but also so sad that I missed out. I was like, oh, I'm not, I'm pride. I guess I don't belong here. And then I was like, wait, no, I should be there. But it was so good. But I also just thoroughly enjoyed getting the Art Pop Tart experience.
00:01:18
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I really loved our episode. It was really good. It was so good. I really appreciate her being on the podcast.
Summer Preparations and Weddings
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And just to give you a little preview of what's to come, Women's Art Wednesday will be back on the pod at the end.
00:01:36
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of this month on the 16th of May. And this time we'll be blessed with not only Jane, but also Paloma, co-founder of Women's Art Wednesday. So we'll get the dynamic duos back together. Everyone will be on this episode. No one will be excluded. It'll be great.
00:01:56
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I'm very glad to hear it. I'm so excited. Well, we missed you, Bianca. That's kind. Thank you. But Jane was right. She was like, I bet Bianca's off working her ass off doing other made of honor tasks. Oh, I mean, thank you. I like to think I'm a good made of honor. You're a fantastic made of honor. Thank you. Amazing. Well, what have you been up to, Bianca, since we haven't heard from you in a hot minute? What's been going on?
00:02:26
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Um, not too much. I was telling, um, some friends that I feel as though I am in summer preparation mode. I have like a few things going on here and there, you know, but like really I'm just gearing up for summer and it's coming in a few weeks and I have a bachelorette party at the end of May. And that is really like springboarding me into the summer. But in order to complete like my summer activities, I have to complete like the to-do list.
00:02:55
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so that all the summer activities go well, you know? Like I have some outfits by, we have, you know, two weddings that we're going to two weeks in a row. And then we have this kind of like summer travel period in between those two weddings. So I feel like I need a rental car, I need to, I booked all my flights, but now I need like the ground transportation, I just reserved
00:03:17
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My hotel room for this wedding and then your wedding Gianna and so I I'm like gearing up to do all these things that I have coming So I'm in I'm in summer prep mode summer prep mode. That's fun though. It's exciting. It's just
00:03:34
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I mean, it's like an excuse. You know how last time you're talking about like busy hands, busy, busy hands, busy hands. Now I feel as though it's, you know, I got a shop for my, I need my rent to runway for the weddings I have. I gotta find like your rehearsal dinner outfit. I still gotta get shoes.
00:03:52
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You know. I also have to find my rehearsal dinner outfit and I also have to find shoes for my wedding. Shoes have been the hardest part. I had an easier time finding my fucking wedding dress than I did finding shoes. Yeah. And I was talking to Theven about this because he was like, oh, it's just like it's white shoes. I didn't think it would be that hard. And I was like, you would think, wouldn't you?
00:04:19
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It's gonna be fine. If we will have shoes, we will wear them. We will have shoes. It'll be fine. Yeah, totally. Well, good. I'm glad that you are doing all the things and that we get to know about them. Yeah. I mean, that's basically it, but I'm just, just know I'm really excited for, I'm really excited for summer. And then when summer's here, that means like your wedding is here and I'm just so excited. Steven and I were watching
00:04:49
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if you're watching a movie like it wasn't even real I can't even remember what it was but in the movie or the show whatever we were watching was like I think it was friends and Monica was like can you believe like you know we're getting married in three weeks and the human and I both made the same sound we were like oh that's so stressful it wasn't even real
00:05:15
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And I'm like, I don't feel like that's the most positive sign that we both had the same reaction. Four weeks, baby. Four weeks. So that was funny. Well, come your actual three weeks, you're gonna be like, everything's under control. Because I'm coming in like
00:05:37
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Almost through, well, like two weeks before. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. Everything will be under control. I will have my Monica headset and you will not need to worry about a thing. Yeah, still there's just something about like, I don't know, like the clock feels like it's hella ticking. I mean, you're not wrong. Like it is for sure. There are things you need to do.
00:06:02
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Yeah, well, I just got done with a big event for my nine to five. So that's exciting that that is also over and done with because when you're also just the event planning like never stopped. Yeah, I feel like I can finally I took a little bit of
00:06:19
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like a break in April just because April is just an insane month so yeah it's nice to I feel like now I can I can go back to it now so yeah anyways yeah but this is not a wedding episode so we can touch to your dismay I'm sure you know I know you guys just really want me to keep talking about my shoe fiasco but we do have some other fashion content to talk about today
00:06:51
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Um, I feel as though I kind of just want
Met Gala Theme Criticism
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to get into it. Bianca, how are you feeling? Yeah, I mean, basically, I just have like a long list of things I wrote down during the red carpet. And that's chronic chronological enough for me. So hopefully it is. I think so as well. I mean, you and I have
00:07:14
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you know, when this theme was also released a while ago. We've known about it for such a long time. We have talked about the criticisms surrounding this year's theme. And so it's just kind of interesting to get into the looks. I do have a couple thoughts about the exhibition itself. Of course, we as the public haven't been super privy to that yet because it is only accessible to the elite, you know, at first. But when
00:07:43
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To put things in perspective, also just as last year, Bianca was watching more of the cable broadcast. I watched the e-carpet. Yeah, Bianca watched the e-carpet. And then I just watched the Vogue livestream, which I do think it is really interesting when we take the perspectives and kind of mesh them together. I agree.
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especially this year, you guys, the interviews were just, I felt very cringey, felt very forced idea. Oh, yeah, no, I'll say it wasn't much different on E this year.
00:08:22
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Yeah. So it wasn't like, you know, because I feel like on the Oscars carpet, we got a lot of like this, like fucking Hugh Grant. And I feel like there, you know, there's always a little bit of like awkwardness with kind of newer hosts or fresher hosts. You know, I think at this point, like a face like Vanessa Hutchins has been kind of like a recurring host for a while. But when they throw in new people, sometimes, you know, it just gets a little
00:08:51
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the last resort question is like, so who are you wearing? And then when you get to that point, you're like, all right, yeah, we're here. Yeah. So I do have thoughts about that. Also, Lala, I think did great. I mean, she's not new to the Met Gala interviews, but I did miss Kiki Palmer a lot. I will say that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Kiki is great. Well,
00:09:11
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Bianca, do you want to get into it? I'll say, I don't think we need to go into our little history of the Met Gala. We definitely have done that before. So if you're looking for a little bit more on previous Met Galas, different themes, how it's originated, we have covered that in our previous recaps.
00:09:32
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you know, it's benefiting the Costume Institute. Andrew Bolton is still the curator of the Costume Institute. I don't think we need to kind of hash out that detail as well. We've also talked about the theme in general. Obviously, Karl Lagerfeld, you guys know how we feel about that. And we have broken down when the announcement was made, we did break down some of the main critiques and why
00:10:01
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the theme was already getting backlash from things Carl has said and the type of person that he was in fashion. We've also talked about that before. I don't think we need to recap that for anyone here. Yeah, I would agree. I think a good place to start would maybe just be talking about the overall tone to piggyback off of what you were just talking about, Bianca, because
00:10:27
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I don't know about anyone else. Obviously, there is a lot of content from just the public, people who are fascinated with the fashion industry, with the Met Gala, who have talked publicly about this theme and the controversy around it. Our podcast is no different to that. So aside from the noise that is kind of happening on other platforms talking about this controversy,
00:10:55
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it was very interesting to see how it was not really addressed at all by the chairs, by the creator, by Hardly, by Anna Wintour. Hardly by Anna Wintour and Andrew Bolton. They deflected that question so hard. And what is
00:11:17
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We're referring to a CBS interview also. Correct. All of our information comes from CBS news. But it just is interesting because I'm not only talking about how it felt like the controversy was deflected at the event itself, but even prior. And I could also just not have consumed maybe interviews that happen, addressing this controversy. If you found anything, definitely slide into our DMs. But the only time I really saw anyone
00:11:47
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address or try to like address this question of controversy was in the CBS interview with Gayle King. Yeah. And I mean, it was a fucking love, Gayle. Point blank. Point blank. Listen, he's homophobic, fat phobic, racist. What do you think about that? And it was just and this. So what Anna's response was to that question was essentially,
00:12:16
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Of course, we do not, and I do not agree with those comments. However, basically saying that Lagerfeld is someone that I knew, I loved, we cherished, is an icon, and we want this event to be a celebration of just that. And that tone, I felt as though, very much carried throughout the red carpet. And that also had a lot to do with the interviews. To me, Bianca, this felt like a memorial service.
00:12:47
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especially with some of the backdrop with the Vogue live interviews, there were just a bunch of white roses, and it felt very like in memory of Karl Lagerfeld. I was like, is this a fucking funeral? What is happening? Yes. See, I totally get what you're saying. And it wasn't until truthfully Anne Hathaway graced the carpet
00:13:18
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that I think things really picked up and I don't know why that was but for me the first half of the red carpet was a total snooze and I'll get into that as far as like the looks go but there was this I don't know how it worked with just the the order of the entrances but
00:13:41
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the second half seemed to be much more lively and what we would expect from what I think, how do I want to say this without getting too far into it? What I think was correct interpretations of the theme. But at the beginning, so many of the looks were direct vintage copies or like, you know, Dua Lipa walked in Claudia Schiffer's actual
00:14:10
Speaker
the actual gown from 1996 that Claudia Schiffer wore from Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel. And it felt like in the beginning, and Nicole Kidman, of course we can get into, but she wore the dress, she wore from the Chanel number five commercial directed by Baz Luhrmann that we've talked about in our perfume episode. So it felt, yeah, Jenna, like people were wearing things that, you know, from Karl, like directly from Karl.
00:14:38
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for the first half rather than offering the interpretation of a line of beauty or an interpretation or a take on
00:14:47
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Celine, Chanel, Carl's work, Fendi. So I get what you're saying. Well, but even with that, we knew that we were going to kind of expect that, that we weren't going to necessarily get these costume conceptualization looks. We were just going to get these garments that were able to be relived on the red carpet because he
00:15:12
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You know, he didn't pass away that long ago. He was a relatively active designer, so all these things still exist. But when I also say how it just felt like the tone just made me have a lot of combative kind of feelings because of his recent passing.
00:15:29
Speaker
The main interview questions that we got were, of course, like, how are you? Hope you have fun tonight. Who are you wearing? But then it was everyone who was on this guest list, which I think it was interesting this year, we got a lot of attention or there was a lot of conversation about.
00:15:45
Speaker
how to get on the Met Balls gala case, Met Balls guest list, and how that process works. Everyone seemed to have a memory or story about Carl, and it seemed like a lot of... Obviously, he touched a lot of people in the fashion industry, so I'm sure someone can pull out any kind of story.
00:16:06
Speaker
The question that they were asking most everyone on the Vogue live stream was do you have a favorite memory of Carl? What's your favorite memory of Carl? Oh, that's really interesting and I and and basically what was so interesting is everyone in these interviews just
00:16:27
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went on to talk about how much of an icon he was, how much of a personal friendship they had, professional friendship they had, and spoke to how he was a genuinely nice, great person.
00:16:42
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It just made me feel like there was some conspiracy theory happening.
Fashion as Protest at the Met Gala
00:16:49
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And it's not to discredit, and it's not that I don't believe that. I'm sure that he was nice to a lot of these other very nice elite people, but it was this tone of these things that we all know are being unsaid.
00:17:07
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And it felt like it was trying to compensate for that, that everyone had to pull out their, here's my great Carl story. Well, see, that's super interesting because I feel like I got some of that on the e-carpet. But when, I don't know his last name, his first name's Harvey, who was the host actually present on the carpet for e.
00:17:34
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There were some times where some people did have stories about them, but there were other times like Cara Delevingne, I want to get into her look because I absolutely loved it. It was like JVN, I forget the other three host names, I didn't recognize them. One of them is a new housewife of New York, but there were like four panelists basically just like
00:17:54
Speaker
talking about the different looks, the different fashion houses, and like Cara Delevingne was like a muse for Carl, then, you know, she thought of him as a mentor. So that was kind of like this like knowledge that they have of their relationship. But then on the carpet, there were those like tidbits kind of here and there. And some of them were super interesting. And I was, I was like, trying to evaluate all these coded messages as if they were coded. And I don't know if they are or not. And I want to get into that with Lizzo,
00:18:23
Speaker
But with Selma Hayek, Harvey asked her, he was like, oh, like, I think you knew Carl. And she's like, yes, he was my neighbor in Paris. And she said he was a very good neighbor. Not like, oh, he was a great friend, like we had a great, it was like, oh, yeah, he was a great neighbor. Wait, what? You know, I just don't know what everybody is
00:18:49
Speaker
is protecting when this is already information like we know about. I guess I'm just so curious about all these kind of coded undertones and why that was there, which makes me go into my giana brain of like, what's the conspiracy theory? And will these people be ousted next year from the Met? They say anything negative about Carl. OK, yes, exactly. So I wanted to get into that more because Lizzo posted on Instagram this photo of her
00:19:19
Speaker
in a kitchen eating french fries. And I don't know where the fries came from. I don't think they say McDonald's on them, but she's eating french fries in this kitchen in her Chanel dress. The caption is what's after seven at Chanel official. And so she's in the kitchen eating french fries in her Chanel gown.
00:19:47
Speaker
Lizzo has been very outspoken, obviously, about her size, her race, who she is. She's proud of that and she's such an amazing, amazing image and popular culture. And she posts this photo and I was actually reading through the comments because there's like two sides where one side is like, you know,
00:20:10
Speaker
Karl Lagerfeld, we know, was a racist, fatphobic person, and he carried that with him throughout, and that's something that resonated throughout his work in the fashion industry.
00:20:24
Speaker
Now here's Lizzo wearing Chanel. If she tagged Chanel, I'm wondering was she at the Chanel table? I don't know. And when she was on the carpet, I thought this look was not like Lizzo. I thought it was a very toned down for Lizzo. I mean, it was very elegant. She looked beautiful, but just in terms of a Met Gala Lizzo look, it's not what I was expecting.
00:20:49
Speaker
And so then people are like, oh, yeah, she is basically giving Chanel and Karl the finger. But then the other people were like, why did you even go? Why are you even wearing Chanel? So what is the code? Is there a coded message? But I can't be. It's Lizzo. She's in a presumably fast food restaurant kitchen eating french fries in her dress. That can't be not
00:21:14
Speaker
A message. Oh, and then you're right. I have absolutely no idea what is happening. I have, especially from some of these celebrities who are incredibly outspoken, who are advocates for a lot of different things, someone like Lizzo who uses her power, her platform for so much good. What are we trying to protect? And also Lizzo performed at the Met Gala too. So that's also kind of confusing.
00:21:44
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content that I was kind of consuming afterwards were Viola Davis did. She stopped by for the Vogue interviews with her husband, and she wasn't saying much, but I didn't think anything of it. Her husband, though, did go on to say how Carl was such a nice, great guy, basically. Later on, I was just consuming other content and how she was a kind of focal point of her outfit was interesting because Carl had said,
00:22:14
Speaker
and the past that I guess pink was his least favorite color. He said, think pink, don't wear it. Think pink, don't wear it. And so here comes Viola Davis with this all pink outfit. And so if there was a moment of protest, that would be possibly the only one that I might that I saw. But J.Lo also wore pink. She had a pink skirt.
00:22:43
Speaker
And Ashley Graham also had pink in her dress. Yeah. But to be honest, I didn't think anything. They still definitely paid homage to kind of the black classic looks. Totally. But hold on. I have it in here. JVN was talking about how in the 90s, Carl did a highlighter neon collection.
00:23:13
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And so JBN had thought that Viola Davis's look was reminiscent of this very particular moment where Carl had like this neon spread.
00:23:26
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And then I also have Ashley Graham's look is also inspired by this like Chanel pink look from a 1987 show. And so it is, it is interesting, though, that someone also like Ashley Graham, who's a plus size model, and who's very outspoken to war address that included pink.
00:23:44
Speaker
But it also, that undertone is just so subtle. I'm like, what is with the subtlety? And even, you know, it's just interesting to have also witnessed that interview and have Viola Davis' husband, you know, he didn't have to say that. And so if that's what her dress also truly meant, like, it's just, I'm getting such mixed messages by what it is we are trying to protect in.
00:24:14
Speaker
And we have had so many works of and looks of protest at the Met Ball, you know, red carpet that has also historically in the past, not even has been a protest of the event or the theme. It's been something else like the tax, the rich dress, you know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
00:24:34
Speaker
wearing a dress to the richest fucking, you know, performative ass event ever. She's in attendance, like she's not not going, but her dress is saying tax the rich. And so there is this very present hypocrisy that takes place at the Met Gala. But
00:24:57
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last night, I think it was the most covert it's ever been. And I don't know why. And it translated as just super uncomfortable. And like, we're all aware of the just the mass elitism that obviously takes place with an event like this. It's something we're all painfully aware of, but there was something even just more painful about it last night. Yeah.
00:25:20
Speaker
I totally agree. It's just everyone knows. It made me feel like they were, again, everybody in this room hasn't been affiliated or touched by this big fashion house, these several big fashion houses that Lagerfeld has been a part of or has been influential in their lives. And it's like no one
00:25:43
Speaker
And none of these people like there's nothing to go down for the ship like go down with the ship like they are not responsible for the words that have come out of this person's mouth but it's like it felt like it it seemed like there was a wave of there was like a smell of cancel culture in the air that everybody was
00:26:05
Speaker
very afraid of. Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. The irony is so present because another one of the big statements Carl made was him basically denouncing the Me Too movement. Oh, yeah. And given that this is a night that features so many Hollywood starlets who have publicly talked about the Me Too movement and not only talked about it, but been impacted by the actions of men.
00:26:35
Speaker
It's just so what are we doing? I just really feel like there is something that's being protected and there's some kind of larger like conspiracy like happening that like literally if you say something about Carl like you cannot come back to you know I mean I wouldn't be surprised like I mean I'd look
00:26:56
Speaker
you guys all know how easily I will give into a conspiracy theory if it is presenting convincingly to me like I will buy into it but I just I'm so of the belief that there's literally so much we don't know about behind the scenes of Hollywood and and you know fashion in the elitist world that I'll never know and I wouldn't doubt that you can be easily blacklisted in the fashion world for something like this and at a time when
00:27:26
Speaker
acting itself, acting alone is not the, you know, kind of end all be all of a career. There's brand deals, there's sponsorships, there's going to the meccala because you're at Givenchy's table, right? It's all about I would not be surprised if you could be easily blacklisted. Because what happened with Balenciaga?
00:27:47
Speaker
And we saw that thing that just happened. I mean, this is hard, but like the Schiaparelli Vogitalia with Bella Hadid, that AI thing, we can do that, but I sent you on it. And if you say one bad thing about the house you're working with,
00:28:04
Speaker
Well, it really goes to also show how interconnected these huge fashion houses are. And I think how much really they all rely on each other to uphold this elite fashion standard. And I think I was really very painfully aware of that, too, to see the conceptualization of Kim's scaparelli dress. That was the
00:28:31
Speaker
the biggest disappointment to me of last night. And I'm not even mad. I really didn't like the look in general, but I'm not even mad or disappointed at Kim. I have absolutely no thoughts towards her this time around. I'm so disappointed that literally her and Scaparelli worked together
00:28:55
Speaker
to create a look with all these strands of pearls, this brand, Schiaparelli, and called it homage to Lagerfeld. It's just the hypocrisy. And what is more Chanel than pearls coming from Schiaparelli? Well, Michaela Cole, I think I'm pronouncing her last name correctly, who was one of the co-chairs
00:29:21
Speaker
her Schiaparelli look, she's a co-chair. And it was gorge. I mean, epitome of Schiaparelli. And I didn't see a hint of Lagerfeld in that. But in the caption that Schiaparelli posted, it was reminiscent of Carl's jewels and stuff like that. I mean, whatever. It was a full-on to a scap gown. But I... Yeah, that's fine. But like... Just to make a scap... One of the co-chairs is wearing...
00:29:50
Speaker
is wearing Schiaparelli and it was a big disappointment for the Martucci sisters. It was painful to watch that dress and to hear Kim say like, you know, like, what is more Schnell than pearls. So I went with Schiaparelli and wore their brand and then... I don't exactly know where to go from here because I mind seeing like pulled in so many different directions.
00:30:14
Speaker
Do you want to continue on that line of people who weren't itces? That? Yeah, we can just go into it. I will say that was my dagger to my heart. That was my least favorite look. I really, really don't have too many other thoughts on
00:30:37
Speaker
looks that I didn't like. I thought altogether it was just a wash and a sea of deconstructed formal suits done in an interesting way. I think Tom Brown did the best job at that in my opinion, but that's also kind of like his go to. But I think Kim's scaparelli dress was the dagger to my heart.
00:31:03
Speaker
But I also just can't with Jared Leto, as always. I think, Bianca, you were more here for it than I was. As always, but honestly, what a shift in the carpet. I was craving because I was thinking about Kim. Oh my gosh, Kim in this dress. And it's just so funny that last year Kim was the Met Gala. We talked about it months afterwards.
00:31:31
Speaker
Regardless of the repercussions of the garment, like what happened afterwards, the aftermath of the physical object itself, she was the talk of the mekala. And at first, whenever we did our recap the day after without knowing all the insights that we know now,
00:31:47
Speaker
That was a moment that fit the theme, American lexicon. It was iconic. I don't care what it was, and it will go down in history as one of the most iconic Met Gala looks ever.
00:32:05
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fucking craving something, you know, like, God damn it, like, we're watching it. And I'm going to quote JVN a lot because he was holding back. And I could tell. And there were some moments where he was like,
00:32:21
Speaker
Ah, she looks beautiful. Like, please tell me where and he did, you know, he was on the same side as me as like, you know, Lizzo just, it was very toned down for her, you know, all this stuff. So I feel like he, you know, not that he didn't like any of the looks, but it was just like, you know, it's this like, very positive kind of panel when I think it's okay to be like, I'm bored, you know, this is Bastian's biggest night.
00:32:46
Speaker
I'm bored." And so he was talking about how the Met Gala carpet is a performance walk. It is a performative event and so many people even change whenever they get inside. It is the carpet that is that show of the garment. It is a chance for fashion to speak in action. Right. Half of those outfits don't even get worn in the actual space. Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
And so the carpet was just so fucking boring.
00:33:18
Speaker
And, and I just, you all know, I'm not a Jared Leto fan, but seeing like just like a fucking random ass fluffy cat, like on the carpet where everyone, like you said, John is very like memorial esque. And Jared and he was talking about, you know, he was friends with him, whatever he wants to like play him in a movie, all this shit, but like, oh, my God, the visual component of seeing a large fucking cat on his carpet was
00:33:46
Speaker
hilarious. Yeah, I mean, I guess say what you want about Jared Leto, but he is true to whatever his vibe is and happy for him to know that I am. I just was like dead inside by the time I got to him and so I just did not
00:34:08
Speaker
have a reaction and then by that time Nick Jonas and Bianca Chopra were like already on their little like Vogue interview and Nick Jonas was just like, oh, and Jared Leto came as a furry. That's all she wrote. And then he changed like on the carpet, you know? So should we talk about Doja Cat then if we're on the team of cats? Yes. I fucking love Doja.
00:34:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I definitely I guess I'm here for, you know, that kind of costume, that kind of camp factor that does come with, you know, event like the Met Ball. And so I it's not that I didn't. This might be the one time that I suppose I actually have some kind of appreciation for Jared, to your point, Bianca. But I think as far as the cat content went, Doja stole the show per usual.
00:35:08
Speaker
I mean, we were texting about it, but did you think it was ironic that it wasn't Schiaparelli? Given that Doja had walked for them as like a crystal red behemoth, and then also in a show that featured all of their animal props and prosthetics. Yeah, I mean, it does seem like a missed opportunity for Schiaparelli, but also I think to kind of
00:35:39
Speaker
reiterate what we're seeing earlier in terms of feeling like.
00:35:43
Speaker
Again, no one was speaking out. It really puts into perspective, I think, of how these relationships... If she's a cat, she just didn't have to say anything. I think maybe it was a cop
Fashion House Relationships
00:35:52
Speaker
-out. I really think so. She's like, oh, if I can go as a fucking cat, I don't have to shit on this asshole, and then I can just come back next year. That's how I would play the game, for sure. But I think it just goes to show even as much as we love someone like Elsa Schiaparelli,
00:36:11
Speaker
It does show how these, the relationships of these fashion houses, I think how they depend on each other. And I don't think Schiaparelli like necessarily needed to go above and beyond tonight for anything, but they weren't going to also say anything like negative about Chanel and Heartlogged Fred either. Yeah. Like why would they create this whole actual costume look
00:36:37
Speaker
when they could have just created something basic like they did for Kim. Call them basic? No. It was so stupid. You're fucking Schiaparelli and the irony of what you just did created an entire pearl dress.
00:36:54
Speaker
because what's more Chanel than pearls? The Italians get it together guys. Like that's just embarrassing. Like that's just like you just it just was so embarrassing. Like you just did the Italian so dirty. And just the irony of your history like like you could have just put her in a black dress and called it a day but you you
00:37:20
Speaker
did the whole pearl thing like God damn it like it just it was an absolute dagger to my heart. I'm Yeah. Yeah. I I'm I'm with you. That's why that no work.
00:37:40
Speaker
I just really don't understand why we're not like co-creative directors, but whatever. After this, you and I will never be invited to anything. So good thing our show's ending then. Good thing we're just canceling ourselves. They don't have to do it for us. We're on the outs already.
00:38:01
Speaker
So before we get to some of the positives, because you know, you may be surprised, I do have some like positive things to say about some people. I cannot believe that we got so many duplicate looks. And I just like Olivia Wilde and Margaret Tseng.
00:38:18
Speaker
It's unreal that out of Mechala, two people showed up in the same dress, just different colors. I don't care. They were the same dress. I know that they were different colors. They were the same. They were the same thing. No, that doesn't ever happen, which also just made me feel like no one fucking cares about this theme or also Olivia Wilde, perhaps. Well, she was in a group with like Maude Apatow, I think, or I could be like conflating two different groups that looked very similar.
00:38:49
Speaker
But yeah Mod Apatow I mean it was just like oh it's this take on his iconic arrow dress and I'm like that's what I don't want to see and so there was like some Twitter confusion where someone photoshopped Zendaya's face on Rita Ora and everyone was like wait they're wearing the same thing but it was photoshopped nonetheless Gigi Hadid
00:39:11
Speaker
came in Givenchy, but that look also was so reminiscent of Rita Ora's, lots of veils, lots of capes. Now, some capes I thoroughly enjoyed. There's like long black draped, you know, corseted ribbing. There was just so, so much of it. There was so much of it. And it just so odd to me that a carpet like that could be so repetitive.
00:39:39
Speaker
I know with American Lexcon, we got a lot of those like, you know, Gilded Age kind of bustier type dresses and they, yeah, they had a similar structure, but I think them were different enough.
00:39:55
Speaker
But like, if I'm confusing people, that should not be happening at the Met Gala. Yeah, I know. And I also felt like even some of the, like costuming moments that we had outfit changes on the carpet, like as much as I love Janelle Monae, and she has given us some
00:40:13
Speaker
great looks on the red carpet in the past. This look was very, I felt like repetitive for her. She is the queen of black and white and that kind of duality. It reminded me very much of her camp look. But it just was serving like, I just like, even with the outfit change, I think that she did the theme justice, but it was more that I was just not
00:40:38
Speaker
It wasn't giving anything new that I felt I hadn't seen from her in the past. I think with Janelle, I think that's a very, very fair assessment.
00:40:50
Speaker
It was just amongst the sea of sameness on the carpet. At least she was giving us a performance. I came to see a performance. I came to see something different. Well, it might not be different for Janelle, but it was different for everyone else on the carpet. Yeah. Well, and the poor thing, I mean, she didn't know that she was freaking carrying the show on her fucking shoulders. She was like, come on, get it together.
00:41:17
Speaker
She's like, I'm the only one with an outfit change here. Okay. So I want to maybe talk about some things that I did. I liked Amanda Seyfried. You didn't say anything about it. And I was wondering, because for those of you who don't know, Bianca thinks that Amanda Seyfried can do no wrong. Bianca's obsessed.
00:41:41
Speaker
Am I? I didn't notice that myself. I mean, I do love her. You do love her. You're like, think that she is the most beautiful thing to have ever graced this planet, which you are not wrong. But I do feel like you have a little level of obsession. I feel like Amanda Seyfried is one of those extremely talented celebrities, but that just kind of like lives her life. She does her thing. She has like a farm and stuff. And like, she's always posting about like her, like whatever goats are
00:42:10
Speaker
horses or cat or whatever. But she also kind of, you know, I like the little shade that she's kind of throwing Ariana Grande with the Wicked thing, how she wanted the role of Glinda so bad. And I kind of love it. She's like, been pushing back a little bit on like, I really fucking wanted that. And it sucks that I didn't get it. I'm just like, I love a little little fire. A little spice from Amanda Seyfried. Yeah.
00:42:36
Speaker
Well, I loved her look. She was an Oscar de la Renta. As far as it goes on the carpet, was it the most amazing thing I'd seen all night? No, but I thought it was different enough to where she stood out. Jessica Chastain, she was wearing Gucci. She sported a blonde look. I don't know if she dyed her hair. JBN seemed to think it was a wig. And she kind of acted out this
00:43:07
Speaker
cross between a Warhol, Lagerfeld, you know, she had the dark, you know, stark black glasses on kind of took them off on the carpet like she was performing on the carpet. Now, do I like that she was
00:43:21
Speaker
doing the Karl Lagerfeld performance, especially Jessica Chastain coming from her. No, but did she do the theme well? Yes, because she took Karl Lagerfeld a line of beauty and made it her own. And the look was great. The blonde, the glasses. She was doing her interpretation of Lagerfeld.
00:43:46
Speaker
And I thought that her performance was good. Should that be the performance that we're gifted with? No, but she did it well. Yeah. I missed her look and her, I should say I missed her walk. I think that's kind of the, a little bit of the downside of not seeing the E interviews, but just going on the backend is you only get kind of glimpses sometimes of when they can catch those moments happening.
00:44:15
Speaker
Um, I did miss that one. You know, which one I actually liked. Not that again, I, I did feel like was on theme, but I just thought was like a nice look with Sydney Sweeney and Mew Mew. I thought was a good look. And I did not like her look. Really? I liked it with the eye. One of my biggest pet peeves of the night was if I see another
00:44:40
Speaker
fucking black bow, I'm gonna lose it. I did nothing against her. Her bow bothered me so much less than other people's bows. I felt like there were so many examples of if you just throw a bow on something that doesn't mean that it's on theme. I didn't feel that way for her, but I also just thought that was a look that just looked like it was made for
00:45:09
Speaker
her and also she was a real, her and Anne Hathaway and a couple other people were a really good example of like all of these like bump it situations that were happening, high ponytails. And that was like one criticism that Dua Lipa got because her outfit was stunning. It was a nice iconic moment. Also her necklace, her never before seen Tiffany Diamond was incredible.
00:45:34
Speaker
But when that dress originally debuted, the runway, that hair had a very romantic updo. And so we had this very like modern romantic updo from a lot of Hollywood starlets. And we didn't get that from Dua Lipa. I guess that was very much kind of, I felt like it was very much a look for her, but people wanted more from the stylization of that outfit.
00:45:57
Speaker
So that's interesting because I feel like you're onto something. There were two kind of, as far as like, you know, women identifying stars on the carpet.
00:46:07
Speaker
There were two kind of camps and one of them I thought was the Anne Hathaway, Sydney Sweeney, you know, almost 70s kind of blowout hairstyle. And then something that the panelists could not stop talking about was this like fresh and clean beauty. Like it seemed like the makeup, no makeup look was back. And it was like the simple down hair with like a black hair bow in it, you know, or whatever.
00:46:34
Speaker
And then a very fresh face. That was a really interesting kind of like dichotomy. I thought for something on on again, like the Met Gala carpet is this like fresh and clean
00:46:46
Speaker
facial look. Well, speaking of that, and just the person who was glowing the most, Enoki-I, I think is how you say her name, the model. I've never seen someone look so luminous in my entire life. And I don't know what I loved more if it was her outfit or just her skin was incredible.
00:47:12
Speaker
But I will say her outfit was giving like fish, it was giving like jellyfish, it was giving like scales and I Yeah, and I thought it was very like, okay, so to that, I thought it was very sculptural and something on the in the panel they were showing a lot was the original sketches that the designers had had made. And given that it's a line of beauty, I was thinking it's very, you know, it's the Met Gala, it's very artistic, also
00:47:41
Speaker
if you want to talk about the exhibition. In the CBS clip, they have the quote in like a didactic kind of on in the exhibition where it says, fashion does not belong in a museum. It's literally like pasted on the wall in this exhibition. And so I thought it was so interesting that they kept showing the sketches when this quote, fashion does not belong in a museum. What is happening on a museum red carpet for a museum fundraiser, let alone
00:48:08
Speaker
I think some people a line of beauty to me hearkens back to where fashion comes from. It's an art form and how designers actually create this stuff. And I thought her look was so reminiscent of that line kind of hint in the theme. And it was so much reminded me of like a sketch, like she's so sculptural. And I think like you said, like the luminescence of her skin just
00:48:36
Speaker
gave her this, like, figure-esque, you know, statuesque presence. And I also thought that about Kylie Jenner's
Notable Met Gala Looks
00:48:46
Speaker
look. And I... I'm gonna say something. I have never seen Kylie Jenner look more beautiful in her entire life.
00:48:54
Speaker
I thought she was fucking stunning. And I thought that dress was unreal. I'm obsessed with it. I love right now how divided the internet is over that look, which I think is really interesting because it was go to a wasn't it? Yes, yes, it was. And and I did really enjoy it. I think as far as one of our Cape moments went, I really liked it. I think same thing.
00:49:22
Speaker
with Enoki-I who is by the way also wearing Prabal Gurung's dress.
00:49:29
Speaker
who was the designer, was just giving something different. And I think like in a sea of black and white, it was really nice to see some color. Sometimes I love just looking back at the like Kardashian, Met Ball's looks because historically they really just like don't give that much. They totally missed the mark. They totally missed the mark and really like camp was the best look
00:49:55
Speaker
for Kylie and for Kendall Jenner. Otherwise, I'm like never really a huge fan. Do you remember Kim's heavenly bodies look? It's just like that Versace dress with like a cross on it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:06
Speaker
But historically, I'm never really a huge fan of Kendall Jenner's looks. So I would agree. I really liked Kylie's look. I know last year's look was curated to she was wearing off-white. Virgil. Yeah. And so that was really special to her. Yeah, I didn't like that look. It was not my favorite. So she looked fine. She looked amazing. She looked all of fine. I thought she was the most beautiful person I've ever seen.
00:50:36
Speaker
That dress is just, I'm gonna have like dreams about it. Some people didn't like the, you know, the cape, the kind of like coat, like kimono look. I thought that was, that's what you're supposed to get on the carpet. But they wanted more from it, like everyone thought it was very plain, like there should have been more like embroidery, more design, more embellishment on it. But I also think
00:51:01
Speaker
kind of to my point about maybe like Sydney Sweeney's dress and maybe why I liked it was because I did feel like that dress was very much styled for her like it very much fit her and I think something with like color blocking or color washing felt very on brand for for Kylie so I just thought that dress was made for her and looked very good. I don't think that Kylie's a performer we know she
00:51:27
Speaker
You know, is it the the star on on television, you know, she's not the one who's kind of always in front of the camera. So I don't think she's a performer.
00:51:39
Speaker
If that garment was worn by someone else who was really going to pull off the kind of like jacket into the long train cape thing, I think it would have had more dimension on the carpet, but nonetheless, the dress was gorge. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. So I also, for once liked Kendall's look and she was wearing Marc Jacobs and she
00:52:05
Speaker
had this kind of bodysuit where her sleeves turned into that cape. But the top was very coral with this kind of like, popped white, pop of white in a collar. And she was also wearing Marc Jacobs, like, iconic Bratz looking 90s boots, go-go boots. And I thought it was a great look. I thought that was a, again, I don't like this theme, but
00:52:33
Speaker
I thought Marc Jacobs and Kendall did the theme well. It was a line of beauty. It was an interpretation on some of Carl's signature styles, and I thought they did it well.
00:52:50
Speaker
It was better than her 02 American fashion when she just went like old Hollywood. So yeah, I think she did the theme. It still just wasn't my favorite. I will say, I mean, she looks stunning. Oh my God. I love seeing her stand next to Kim because especially with those boots, they just looked, her and Kylie look so small.
00:53:15
Speaker
I mean, Kendall looked like a goddess. I mean, she looked incredible, but it just wasn't my favorite look of the night. So now from Kendall to her after-party date, Bad Bunny has also never looked hotter. I'm sorry, that open back tux. It's really nothing special, but I was here for some of the men who showed up last night, and I thought Bad Bunny was one of them. Diddy also had
00:53:45
Speaker
kind of an echoing piece to his where he wore black tux with this floral cape. Bad Bunny was an open back carrying that cape. I was feeling things. I was like, Oh my word. I saw some tweet that was like, I love when men get slutty. It's like Bad Bunny's open back tux. I mean,
00:54:13
Speaker
he's fine. And I'm here for good open back look like he knew he's like, this is my best to be sure cut a hole in that shirt. Just took some scissors to it like right before.
00:54:26
Speaker
Some of the looks that I thought were really, really interesting, not to keep talking about bridal fashion, but we had several like Chanel bridal looks, one of them coming from Penelope Cruz, the other one coming from Alton Mason. And I think that is really kind of essential for us to speak about. So I did not know much about Alton Mason, but he back in 2018 became the first black male model to walk for Chanel.
00:54:54
Speaker
And so at the Met Ball, he was wearing a- I'm sorry, say that again. Yeah. Lean in. In 2018, Alton Mason was the first, first, in 2018, first black male model to walk for Chanel. And- That's actually sickening. That is not in a good way.
00:55:19
Speaker
It's absolutely wild and I have thoughts about it. And so he wore a white lace bodycon bride look complete with a long beaded veil. I mean, he is absolutely stunning and it was so...
00:55:35
Speaker
you know, it's always great when like men come here for the looks and the costuming and you know to also go back to like Bad Bunny and Kendall Jenner people were like saying like okay Kendall like now you got to step up girl cuz your man is like looking fine and people were also comparing their looks together like he was a bride and she was the groom and
00:55:58
Speaker
and the way that their looks look together. Why am I standing this way? Because why do I love what's happening? Not well. So that's super interesting. But to hear Alton talk about his relationship with Chanel,
00:56:18
Speaker
And to pay homage to Carl like it seemed like you spoke very highly and he was talking about like his team and what he wanted to do and what he wanted to represent tonight and how it was such a big deal for him to be here but again like to me that's I mean happy for you know that I am what you accomplished just is amazing but also the fact that that did only happen in 20.
00:56:38
Speaker
18. And, you know, this is, you know, a person who has said very racist things, and this is historically a very racist brand. And so there could have been so much more context to that conversation, not that
00:56:52
Speaker
Alton has to carry that all for us. That is not his job. That's not his responsibility. I thought his look was fantastic. Amazing. All of that is just worth noting. I think what a complex position for him to be in. Maybe he doesn't feel that way at all. Like you said, we're not trying to put anything or any negative feelings on top of a huge, huge deal. Right.
00:57:19
Speaker
But yeah, I mean... It's just interesting, I guess. It is. And it's so interesting to hear how, you know, not even just him, like Cara Delevingne, I mean, like, she was basically his muse. And to also listen to some of these women talk about their relationship with Carl at such a young age, I thought was very interesting. And just didn't... To hear so many people say, like, I first met Carl when I was 13, just...
00:57:49
Speaker
made me feel icky. Yeah. I mean, again, I thought Cara Delevingne's look was great. Like the whole playing off of Carl's, you know, button up shirt design. And I just I thought it was such a great look. And I thought it also looked like Cara Delevingne. I mean, it was like edgy. She had that kind of pixie cut going.
00:58:15
Speaker
I thought it was a great look, but then yeah, you hear the panelists talk about how, you know, Carl was like a mentor to her. It's like, you know, it's just icky. There's so much just like, yeah, there's so much unsaid. There's so much like, that when things like that are said, even though they're talking about him in such high admiration, such high respect, it, there's something there that makes me not want to peel back the layers.
00:58:41
Speaker
And when I think you have that reaction to something, that kind of gut reaction, and you're kind of acknowledging how you feel about that, and what is being unsaid I think is valid, that there's some ickiness just in terms of how this industry works. And I think it's just a lot of pressure for a 13-year-old to be someone's muse.
00:59:09
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. Another bridal look I loved was Ava Max. I don't know much about the look at all. I just thought the bridal peppered here and there on the carpet. It was very true to fashion and I think very traditional. Not that the carpet ended with a bridal look, but bridal pieces are so pivotal in so many shows.
00:59:38
Speaker
into a collection and I like that they were thrown in there. Kerry Washington and Serena Williams, I also liked their takes on the suit jacket paired with kind of this mermaid skirt. I thought, again, another great way to interpret the theme. Maybe I'll end with my favorite look. It was Anne Hathaway in Versace.
01:00:04
Speaker
I just saw her and I think it was also the timing because she awakened me from like a slumber and Andrew actually fell asleep. I don't know if you guys saw it, I posted an art pop talk story but he actually fell asleep watching the red carpet.
01:00:21
Speaker
Anne Hathaway, when she came, it was like, now I'm seeing something different. And it was that moment where I really saw, that's not a Chanel dress. That's not a Karl dress. That is a Versace dress. And that is Donatella's take on Chanel. And that is what a Met Gala carpet is.
01:00:46
Speaker
It is an interpretation of something and that dress just did it so well. And it was, you know, then, you know, Donatell was talking about like how Carl and Gianni, you know, knew each other and she hopes that this is like, you know, essentially a marriage of their, you know, ideas and all this stuff. And it's like, again, it's like, well, I hate thinking about that. But the look was spot on for me. Perfection.
01:01:16
Speaker
I just think also to know, to your point, Bianca, I just also think that Versace understands the assignment all the time, every day, all day, and I don't know. They just get it because there's something so outlandish and garish about Versace that it is
01:01:38
Speaker
that it does stand out in its own way already, but something so iconic like the big safety pins to incorporate that staple look in your design. It's also still paying homage to this other designer.
01:01:50
Speaker
yet still make that work. I would agree. Also, the internet and Vogue would agree with you. They have deemed Anne Hathaway the star of the red carpet and I have absolutely no arguments. I am very here for Anne Hathaway's collaboration with Donatella and with Versace. I think it's working out great.
01:02:12
Speaker
I think it's working out great. I think it's working out great. Are you like her manager or something? I am super happy for her. And halfway, I think everyone would agree, her fashion in general. She's having a moment. She's having a moment, has just been really on point lately. And I just think we could not be happy for her. I will let you all know, or I will let her know that you are all super happy for her when I get on the phone with her after this. So I think it's working out great.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'd be curious if all of the other looks really stepped up, would I think that this is the most iconic Met Gala look or whatever, but this was just the epitome of what the carpet should have looked like.
01:03:02
Speaker
It should have been that moment of visual collaboration. Yeah. I would say as far as our designers go, Tom Brown being like runner up after Anne Hathaway's moment. I think that's fair.
01:03:17
Speaker
I think like there were some really like spot on looks, but also he a little bit has the upper hand just because his vibe is deconstruction suit. So like, I don't really want to give him like a gold star for that. I'm like, that's just already what he does. It just like worked out. It just like worked out for him. Yeah, yeah. You know, I will say I feel like Cardi never disappoints. I love everything Cardi wears. She said on the carpet.
01:03:47
Speaker
Harvey like asked her like, you know, like, what are you very tired? You know, like the kind of like, intro question she was like, well, I've spent a lot of money on shit. Like, that was her answer for why she was like, she's previously spent a lot of money. She's so funny. I just like, I just think when it comes to her looks like I don't know what it what it is. But like,
01:04:12
Speaker
I don't know if just like design wise I'm attracted to the same things that she's attracted to or she just likes money because she talks about that a lot too. But like when I think of something like her look was very synonymous with all the other things that we saw and her look really could easily kind of fall into the fold and just not stand out.
01:04:34
Speaker
However, yes, on it, if everyone was stepped up again, Cardi's would have been kind of like, yeah, I'll write the Camilla flower and I did call her right, but I did feel like she was working the carpet release. I was perfect too, you know, watching the live stream. Like I got that moment from her. But as far as like, you know, we had a lot of looks that had very like embellished florals on them. So if we're comparing something like Rihanna's,
01:04:59
Speaker
outfit with her kind of outerwear piece. She was wearing white, but it had all these big florals on them. I just preferred like that dress wasn't really giving me personally any more, any less than something like Cardi's dress did. And I just happened to like, you know, Cardi's better.
01:05:17
Speaker
Compared to like Bad Bunny like Rihanna's and Bad Bunny's looks were very similar they were I thought Bad Bunny's was something about Rihanna's look like I felt like it didn't fit her or something like that. It just like
01:05:30
Speaker
I don't know. It wasn't that for me. Also, was she supposed to be the grand finale also? I don't know. I just read captions that she was fashionably late. She was very late because on the live stream, they were all trying to make small talk, recapping the night. They weren't telling us who we were waiting for.
01:05:53
Speaker
She wasn't on the e-card, but she didn't make it in time. I think that was also another thing. If I'm not mistaken, she was supposed to be the grand finale and I was just over it at that point. That dress wasn't really giving any more, any less than anything else did that night.
01:06:09
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I will say also just it was really funny when they were all waiting for her and they were like, Oh, like, where's our next grand finale? And, you know, they were trying to just kill the silence and the void.
01:06:25
Speaker
Chloe Feynman was one of the Vogue livestream hosts. And she specifically used this time to tell us one of her favorite Karl quotes, which definitely lends itself to his fat phobia, which was, sweatpants are a sign of defeat. You lost control of your life, so you bought some sweatpants. And that's what she chose to say was one of her favorite quotes.
01:06:52
Speaker
one of the panelists, and I'm so sorry, I forgot her name, they all introduced themselves, but she's the newest Housewives of New York, I think. And she was talking about how one year she actually walked the carpet in Schiaparelli, and she was wearing this like pink denim look.
01:07:13
Speaker
And she got to the top of the carpet and one of the hosts or whatever kind of like looked at her and was like a little bit giving her kind of like the look, you know? And she was like, oh my God, like what's wrong? And whoever was looking at her was like, well, you know, Anna hates denim. And she was like, well, I can't fucking change now. Like, what do you want me to fucking do?
01:07:43
Speaker
May I say to perhaps close this discussion, is that aside from like this Kendall Bad Bunny thing, I woke up this morning or was it last night? I can't remember.
01:08:00
Speaker
to the realization that Anna Wintour had debuted her relationship with actor Bill Nye on the red carpet. And I found that wildly fascinating. And he, I just, I love him. I love him in About Time is one of my favorite movies. You wanna go to cry, watch that movie. Oh my God. And then I literally did a double take. I read the caption, I was like, Anna and Bill Nye confirm.
01:08:30
Speaker
they're like and i was like are we fucking seriously talking about anna wintour's relationship right now this is the juiciest thing that's happening on the carpet like no one showed up together like last year you know we got pete and kim's like big you know carpet debut blah blah and and you're telling me that
01:08:52
Speaker
under the radar, I'm discovering that they're debuting their relationship. Everything about it is so odd. I just think of him and I'm feeling my fingers. I'm feeling my fingers. So Christmas all around.
01:09:21
Speaker
I actually hate the movie Love Actually. I actually hate it as well. It is the worst movie ever. It is not a good movie. Come at me. Love Actually is dumb. And what was that?
01:09:38
Speaker
We've made a full circle back to Hugh Grant content. This is just one big cancel episode on Hugh Grant, just giving us nothing. Except Hugh Grant has such a good scene in Love, actually. I think that's the best part when he's going through the process, dancing.
01:09:59
Speaker
And then you watch it and you're like, oh, you yelled at Ashley Graham. Why'd you do that? He didn't yell at her. He didn't yell at her. He just did not engage with her at all in a super uncomfortable way. She was like, okay, you're giving me nothing cool. Really quick to close this out because
01:10:25
Speaker
I think I'm going to be mad at myself if I don't mention it. Just going back to some of the glimpses that we did get from the exhibition itself.
01:10:35
Speaker
There was this installation in the exhibition that I really felt was kind of the a little bit of like the cornerstone of this whole show because they also choose to highlight it in the preview in the CBS News interview, which was this installation and recreation of the infamous photo of Carl's desk covered in mountains of
01:10:58
Speaker
books and sketches and I just need to say or I guess like make sure that like we're all on the same page about this how it was giving male genius and I know that you know again everyone was speaking to his high level of work ethic which I do not and
01:11:19
Speaker
Just credit or discount and I understand that that was most likely the curator's goal To focus on that aspect of his career and again kind of recreate that infamous photo And just this overall idea of what the fashion community thought of him Which was in high regard, but to me It was surveying male genius Yeah, that's actually super
Critique of Karl Lagerfeld's Exhibit
01:11:43
Speaker
interesting. I I 100% agree I mean when I saw that my reaction was like
01:11:48
Speaker
Ew, disgusting. You can't work like that. Fundamentally, no one would use all of those items. It looks like there's just a hoarding frenzy of papers on this desk.
01:12:04
Speaker
you know, if that's how you work, that's how you worked. But you're totally right in the it's giving male genius. It's a curated, it's not giving messy. It's not image. It's a persona. And again, I don't discredit that actuality in terms of everyone speaking about his high worth work ethic. It's not that I just these things
01:12:23
Speaker
were not just handed to him to some degree. I believe everybody when they say how much they acknowledged and they felt inspired by his level of creativity and his work ethic. But that to me was just a reconstruction of a constructed image that was made to make him look like a male genius. And the fact that they recreated it, I was like, yo, we all on the same page here.
01:12:48
Speaker
Yeah, I totally feel like this was not some cool moment, and it's that installation that just also was personifying that tone that I had for the night, which was that we're honoring this problematic person, and it's giving male genius. Yeah, and that's also something I want to ask Andrew Bolton a lot of questions, because how I mentioned earlier, they put that quote,
01:13:16
Speaker
fashion does not belong in a museum or whatever. And then they put it in the gallery. I was like, do you think you're being cool and edgy right now? I feel like you're being an art prick and this show gives me art prick vibes. This is why no one likes going to museums. You're making it inaccessible and then you're just putting in our faces. Art doesn't belong in a museum.
01:13:46
Speaker
here it is for you, you know, it's just like, right. And then you're like, you're trying to be, yeah, it's like, it's like, you can't fool me. You're exactly right. Like this is why people think art is bullshit when like you create an installation like that. And there was, there's also this really weird phone installation with different like videos or images, like flashing of like Carl laughing. That just like is just what's supposed to be like edgy, weird fashion shit. Like it just, yeah.
01:14:14
Speaker
It's like this satirical, did you watch Triangle of Sadness?
01:14:18
Speaker
No. Oh my god, it's so good. But it opens with this like satirical kind of view of a fashion show where it's like, love is love, like, like almost like a Zoolander kind of like, like poke or jab at what, you know, like high fashion is, you know. But the opening of Triangle Sadness has that that element where it's like flashing images and then like big bold words like hate love, you know, like,
01:14:46
Speaker
right i'm just like for someone that you keep talking about is so iconic like this means nothing it means nothing it's so flat and also if you're gonna go there again like do not trick me you know foolish me like you don't put this thing like fashion does not belong in a museum and then ignore
01:15:07
Speaker
all of the context of this, you know, of who he was and the things that he said. Like you're isolating these pieces and I know you're doing it. And this one thing you're doing by like actually putting his work in a museum doesn't make you cool. And it doesn't make me forget all of the other shit that he said. It just makes me remember that shit more. Or that you're also just like, you know, going back to the institution also protecting this image.
01:15:35
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Yeah, like safeguarding it 100%. Yeah, that's what it feels like. So I did want to talk about that. I did think it was important, and I think that kind of ends our conversation in a more roundabout way. Yeah. Well, yeah, this was great. And like we said in two Tuesdays, you all will be joining us with Women's Art Wednesday. We are so excited to have them back on the podcast.
01:16:03
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And I think with that, we will talk to you all in two Tuesdays. All righty. Bye, everyone. Bye. Art Pop Talk's executive producers are me, Bianca Martucci Fink. And me, Gianna Martucci Fink. Music and sounds are by Josh Turner and photography is by Adrian Turner. And our graphic designer is Sid Hammond.