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One Last Artpop Talk
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One Last Time! This is our final episode of Artpop Talk and we're not crying, you're crying. Join us at Sad Girl Central Station to catch the train to memory lane, as we recap the last three years of our favorite Artpop Talk moments. But before we start sobbing, we are sharing one last Art Newzz segment in light of Gretta Gerwig’s highly anticipated Barbie movie.
To our dearest Artpop Tarts, thank you for talking with us on Tuesdays. 💗🎙️
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Transcript
Introduction and Excitement for the Finale
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome to the final episode of Art Pop Talk. I'm Bianca. And I'm Gianna. Today is the last day of Art Pop Talk. We know this has been a dreaded moment that we have been waiting for, but we are going out on top. We are going out with a bang, as they say, and with the APT recap of your dreams.
Final Art News: Barbie Dream House
00:00:24
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That's right, but before Gianna and I get on this sad girl's central station down memory lane, we are doing one final art news segment, taking a closer look at the iconic Barbie dream house in light of Greta Gerwig's highly anticipated Barbie movie. For one last time, my dearest friends, let's art pop talk.
00:00:52
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Chitty-jaddy, so anything. Chitty-jaddy, like it's so casual. This is not some big momentous moment, right? Totally normal. Yeah, I do feel like I am in sidecrawl central station mode. Like I want to just have a good cry. Like I want to watch Titanic.
Favorite Tear-Jerker Movies
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Like that's how I...
00:01:20
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and feeling or I'm just gonna play like the very like emotional Hamilton songs. I did go to the gym today and I was listening to one last time. I have a question for you because you said, you know, sometimes you're just in the mood for a good cry. And I was listening to this podcast, they were saying that a walk to remember is the ultimate crime movie. So what is see that it's not mine.
00:01:48
Speaker
And I was wondering what your ultimate crime movie is. I don't think I've ever seen that movie. Really? Yeah. So I feel like I can't. So maybe it is my ultimate crime movie. Maybe I will give that one a go. You never know. Yeah. It's like a Nicholas Sparks, you know, Mandy Moore. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've never seen it. Because doesn't she like die of cancer or something? Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's sad. I don't know. I need something a little bit more like
00:02:17
Speaker
Even though the Titanic was a real thing, the Jack Rose relationship part is more fictitious. The Titanic, I think, is so good. It's so long that the build-up is going through all these highs and lows. It's really the last scene when she's on the boat. It's old Rose and she has the memory and he kisses her hand. Victor Garber.
00:02:49
Speaker
Honestly, anything with Victor Garber in it, I feel like is such a good comfort watch like Titanic, Legally Blonde, Sleep is in Seattle. I feel like people forget he does Cinderella. He is in that. Oh, pick Cinderella. Yeah. Yes. I have been in the mood for Legally Blonde this week. I definitely feel like watching Legally Blonde.
00:03:11
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I think it's also in part gearing up maybe for our art news. We are planning an ultimate Barbie birthday.
Barbie-Themed Celebrations
00:03:21
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So two of my girlfriends here in Boston also have July birthdays. And so we are doing a triple threat birthday celebration
00:03:32
Speaker
with the Barbie movie, so we're gonna go see Barbie in our Barbie Cora tire. So everyone is gonna dress up as their favorite Barbie. Okay, so what Barbie are you going as? Have you figured this out? Oh my god, I'm thinking about wearing a wig. I'm thinking about doing a platinum, a platinum blonde.
00:03:52
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kind of classic Barbie, definitely want to go pink. I don't know about like doing businesswoman Barbie, like I want like party Barbie, you know, if she's ready to go out Barbie. Yeah, so but I'm having a really hard time because Margot Robbie in her cowgirl Barbie outfit is also I'm living for it. But yes, I think I just haven't
00:04:19
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I've been looking, but really it's about the outfit. If I found an outfit that when I see it and it really speaks to me, that's going to be the Barbie. Do you know? Yes. I'm not trying to force myself into one Barbie. Yes, 100%. Although I will say
00:04:35
Speaker
I know that Dua Lipa is I believe mermaid Barbie. She's mermaid Barbie. You are kind of giving me like mermaid Barbie vibes because like you have always just had like the long hair. Like I don't know. I feel like if you it's kind of giving like disco like fantasy Barbie vibes, which I feel like is up your alley. Yeah. And it's also very on trend right now. I feel like, you know, disco dance party mermaid Grand Central Station is very on vibe.
00:05:04
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I would love to be mermaid Barbie. I just don't know how I'm going to get around the tail all night. I could wear a tail, like a long skirt and then like a seashell bra, but I just don't know if that's the Barbie I'm willing to go out with on my birthday because we are going in public. It's not Halloween. It's just your birthday party, but I don't know. So, you know,
00:05:30
Speaker
I did see The Little Mermaid last night. Oh, you did? Yes.
New Little Mermaid Movie Review
00:05:35
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Tell us your thoughts. So, Halle Bailey I thought was excellent, which is no surprise.
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I just love her so much. I know that they didn't film underwater, but when they were underwater in the movie, I'm like, her skin looks good in the water. She looks amazing. So unfair. I will say I've never thoroughly enjoyed learning about a making of a movie so much as I have Little Mermaid just because of
00:06:10
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mostly like the glamour team that was involved. Like she had specifically like one person doing her lashes. She worked with like a world renowned hairstylist that like worked with the like
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also the animation or the CGI crew to talk about how that would translate when they animated her hair underwater. Because everyone's hair underwater was all animated. But I just was so fascinated by the technology of it all and the glam of it all. The glam team outdid themselves. She looked incredible. I will say though that Melissa McCarthy's makeup
00:06:54
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it. I that's so funny that you bring that up because that has been like the one thing like people are like they just didn't go there. Like people want to never I know. It's just like, are we surprised though because I feel like that's a classic Disney like teeter tottering Nova. Oh, we're actually we're not gonna make this person gay but we're gonna hint at things that's like they're gay or like we're not gonna go full drag but we all know
00:07:23
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Right. And she was a lot better than I expected. I did not go in with the highest expectations for Melissa. Not that I dislike her, I think she's a bad actress or anything. I think maybe I really wanted a drag queen to play Ursula.
00:07:41
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Uh, but she, she was good. She was very good, but I will say I was like, yeah, that makeup ain't it though, girl? Come on a little better. That's okay. Uh,
00:07:57
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Then the other thing, like overall I did like it. Underwater scenes were not my favorite though. I actually really liked the like on land part because it was the part that was different. We just got to see more about like the island and it makes sense. She's not in like a European island off the coast of site, you know, like somewhere, you know, it's Caribbean and so it, which makes sense. And so I just, I loved seeing
00:08:23
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The on-land scenes were cool. Kiss the Girl was my favorite song. I really like that. But the choreography and the the editor or I get the director of some scene, I know it's one director for the movie, but like just the
00:08:41
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the choreography that the bodies had in some scenes were just really bothering me and in Prince Eric he gets a solo song and I really liked the actor for Prince Eric but he has a solo song that was just terrible and the choreography was so odd like he didn't know what to do like no one told him where to go or where to stand
00:09:04
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like it was just so goofy because and it wouldn't have been if they if they like directed the scene better that was my that was my biggest issue with it and that's interesting that you're talking about the choreography and that not being an underwater scene because learning about like watching the behind the scenes about how they had to do this choreography without like obviously you can't do that with like real right underwater creatures so
00:09:35
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Like how they did that was very thoughtful. I'd love to watch a documentary about them behind the scenes of this movie, like a full documentary on the making of it, because I think that would be really interesting. And it looked, it looked good underwater. Under the sea, I will say was like a letdown compared to the animated version. I just didn't think it was, it was, it was lackluster for me.
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But I've been a little honestly, I'm like a little scared to like go see it on the big screen because I don't like.
00:10:16
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like deep ocean scenes, like it gives me a lot of anxiety. Oh, the Ursula, when you see Ursula's home, I'm like, oh, fuck. Like it was scary to look at. But then I was, I should probably not go see this movie in theaters. I have been hesitant, and I know
00:10:38
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Bianca, as soon as they made this movie, I was thinking about like, oh, in the animated version in the OG, like, there's a little shark attack scene and like, I know they're gonna be throwing that in there. Like, yeah, but that wasn't the scary part. The scariest part for me was Ursula because they go deep. I was like, I really don't like it. I was really don't like it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:03
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Yeah, so the eels were scary. Flotsam and Jepsim. They were scary. Flotsam and Jepsim. I truly never thought about it until you just said it. Yeah, I'll just probably wait till I can see it at home. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So, I mean, Bianca, this is last chitty chatty. So, I mean, I kind of feel as though
00:11:33
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If there's anything that you want to get off your chest, let people know the highlights of what's going on in your life, now's the time, or forever hold your peace.
Summer Plans and Personal Growth
00:11:46
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I don't know. I feel like I said last time, I'm in summer mode.
00:11:55
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went to a lovely bachelorette party last weekend went to dollywood last weekend and that was the kickoff of summer and um i'm just excited for summer i mean i've got some summer travel happening at the end of june
00:12:11
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um ready for ready for fourth of july ready for barbie lots of big movies i feel andrea and i are talking like this is the comeback summer of or this is like the comeback of the summer blockbuster i think indiana jones we have little mermaid barbie is going to be huge oppenheimer a new transformers movie we have into the second inch the spider verse um
00:12:38
Speaker
what else we have. There's so many trailers we saw last night. Actually, a lot of summer movies are coming out. That's exciting. Excited to go to the drive-in. Then your wedding caps all of this summer. My wedding caps the cap. I know. I am really pleased about
00:12:58
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Yeah, I'm really I'm really happy with myself Yeah, so I'm just ready to I'm just I feel very Like happy to just like cruise along this summer and feel like it's I don't know Being able to travel a little here and there being able to see people but also really like taken You know a good like leisurely
00:13:24
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the leisurely moments too, I guess, in Boston, so it'll be nice. Yeah, absolutely. Gianna, anything? Well- Speak now or forever. You'll never hear from me again. I feel the same. I feel like my seasonal depression has lifted. I feel like I've got the sun energy. That has definitely been bringing a new, but
00:13:53
Speaker
On the other hand, we are in the three month stretch from the wedding. And so with the summer has also come a level of anxiety I have never experienced before in my life. But the good news is, is I won't experience this again, because I only plan on getting married once. So you never have to do this again. But I was at a wedding reception
00:14:20
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this weekend, actually. And I was just talking with some other girlies I know who had just gotten married and they were talking about the three month mark and how they were like, ah, yes, like I remember this time in my life. So I feel as though I'm not alone in it. But I also feel like we're in the thick of it. And I'm just excited to get this show on the road. Got some, you know, exciting things coming up.
00:14:50
Speaker
Like Bianca said, I'm just excited to see family and friends over the summer and then get to encapsulate that all with the wedding. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah. The last wedding updates, I'm sure that you all are so sad. Everyone's like, why is this podcast turned into a wedding show? Truly. I've really hijacked it. All right.
00:15:19
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Are we ready for one final?
Exploring Barbie Dreamhouse Design
00:15:26
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And for today's art news, we are talking about a story from Architectural Digest on Barbie's Dreamhouse. Like I said, I am personally invested in this Barbie movie and
00:15:44
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you know, I'm going full in on on this is Barbie core summer, you cannot stop me. And I don't know. I feel like there's kind of two camps where one camp is like, I could care less about this Barbie movie, like I literally don't care. And then there's me who's like going to throw up watching the trailer, her fucking feet stepping out of those heels. I, I just don't like
00:16:11
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I'm going to throw up. It's just amazing. I would agree with Abiyanka and I think it's because this is really a pop culture fanatics dream because of those visuals and how immaculate they are. There's just something about it that is truly hitting. Oh my God. It's just everything I ever wanted and there's nothing
00:16:37
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that I wanted more than Barbie's Dreamhouse. And then now it's like, you need to tell me that someone really, really made Barbie's Dreamhouse. And not only that, they made Barbie Land. And it's just
00:16:51
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I'm just going to cry. Do you want me to cry? Yeah, I will. So in this article from Architectural Digest, it reads, Barbie's dream house is no place for the bashful. There are no walls and no doors, said Greta Gerwig. Dream houses assume that you never have anything you wish was private. There's no place to hide.
00:17:13
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Greta Gerwig, who is the director, obviously, for Barbie, enlisted production designer Sarah Greenwood, and set director Katie Spencer. They are a London-based team, and they also worked on period pieces such as Pride and Prejudice, Anna Karenina. The two for the Barbie movie took inspiration from Palm Springs' mid-century modernism, including Richard Neutra's 1946 Kaufman House,
00:17:41
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and they say, quote, everything about that era was spot on. They strove to make Barbie real in this very unreal world. The team had apparently never owned a Barbie before, so they literally ordered a Dreamhouse off Amazon and
00:18:02
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They used that to study the scale of the house, and they said that the scale was quite strange. They had to adjust the room's very quirky proportions.
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and they needed it to be 23% smaller than human size for the set. And Gerwig said, quote, the ceiling is actually really close to one's head. It only takes a few paces to cross the room. It had an odd effect of making the actors seem big in the space, but small overall.
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This dream house, the set, was built on Warner Brothers Studio outside of London, and Barbie's cinematic home reinterprets Nutra's work as a three-story fuchsia fantasy.
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with a slide that coils into the pool. Gerwig says, quote, I wanted to capture what was so ridiculously fun about the dream house, alluding to past incarnations like the Bohemian 1970s model that had trompe l'oeil Tiffany lamps and the 2000 Queen Anne Victorian house, which had all these lounge chairs. Gerwig said, why walk down the stairs when you can slide into your pool?
00:19:20
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Why trudge up the stairs when you can take an elevator that matches your dress? Her own references range from Peewee's Big Adventure to actually something we've talked about here on EPT, which is Wayne Toboad's paintings of pies. For Barbie's bedroom, the team paired a clamshell headboard upholstered in a velvet sequin coverlet.
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Her closet has all these coordinated outfits that are in what look like Barbie boxes. Greenwood said, quote, it's very definitely a house for a single woman. Noting that when the first dream house came out, a cardboard fold out was sold in 1962. It was rare for a woman to own her own home. Spencer adds that quote, she's the ultimate feminist icon.
00:20:14
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Gerwig says, quote, we were literally creating an alternate universe of Barbie land. She is aiming for authentic artificiality at every opportunity. So they have a lot of CGI, which you can see in the trailer where Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling are kind of moving through all these like iconic Barbie
00:20:36
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modes of transportation like the RV, they have the jet ski, they are in like a winter scene and there's that kind of CGI background but it looks very playful. Also, of course, everything needed to be pink.
00:20:49
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Gerwig adds, maintaining the kidness was paramount. I wanted the pinks to be very bright and everything to be almost too much. In other words, she continues, she didn't want to forget what made me love Barbie when I was a little girl. Greenwood said that construction actually caused an international run on the fluorescent shade of Roscoe paint.
00:21:11
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the world," she laughs, ran out of pink. So if I could live in Barbie's Dreamhouse, I would. I mean, there's no doors or anything like that, but if I was in Barbie's Dreamhouse, I might get over it.
00:21:23
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Bianca literally 100% if I could live in an all pink house just in general. I think I would love that. I am so excited for this movie. I just like you said it's something about it that hits so good and I really really feel like she is doing Barbie so much justice which I also think we all
00:21:46
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really appreciate and are just looking forward to. But I will say I think it really is interesting to hear about them talk about the scale of the Barbie Dreamhouse because there's always something about Barbie furniture that was
00:22:02
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ergonomically always way too small for the actual size of a Barbie. It never like that you know when you think of like a like that we had like the slug bug right like the Barbie slug bug and like
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how their bodies like stick out of the top of the car. You know, it's like they never quite fit. So it's really interesting. It'll be like, that's the kind of like little visual things that I'm talking about that translates so well and you don't understand why unless you really dig into those visuals. So I think that's why I'm like, wow, I'm like, is our podcast not meaningless and like makes sense? I'm so happy to end on this note.
00:22:49
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100%.
Retrofuturism in Barbie
00:22:50
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No, I thought that was a really cute little story. And I love the wing to boat inspiration. And it's definitely cool to see like the, you know, Palm Springs, I was like, Oh, I gotta go go to Palm Springs, like, on these faces, like, that sounds great. And I'm not really a mid century modern is really not my favorite aesthetic. It just, for me, it feels
00:23:15
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a little bit overdone these days. But there's something about watching the trailer that they, they incorporate it so well to where it just doesn't it doesn't feel like they're forcing mid century modern onto the house. It just feels like it feels like you're the thing that you played with, you know, right. And you know what that is, is it falls in line with our like retro futurism discussion. Yeah, I think when you add in
00:23:42
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those elements, it does create this kind of otherworldly environment, which the Barbie land or Barbie world definitely is. And they incorporate other things in that, like CGI, so where you know, like, this is more of a fictitious place. Right. But I do think that, as always, retrofuturism is, you know, lending itself to stuff like that. We're just going to continuously see it in these subtle ways.
00:24:12
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Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Bianca, what an excellent art news story. Thank you so much for sharing. Well, are we ready to shift gears? I think so. So for today's last art pop talk,
00:24:39
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We are going down memory lane.
Origins of Art Pop Talk
00:24:42
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It is time to reminisce. Bianca and I are going to go back and forth. We are going to ask each other questions, kind of highlighting our time and years together on the podcast and just recapping, you know, the highs and lows, pits and peaks, the fun and the joy, favorite episodes, all the fun things, just so we can get a grasp of, you know, everything that we've accomplished in our
00:25:09
Speaker
leaving LOL. So I'll go first. I'll see you a question first, Gianna. Okay. My first question for you is, do you remember where we were when we came up with the idea? I cannot believe that you want to talk about this. You know what? It's the last one. We said we would never talk about it because we're embarrassed.
00:25:33
Speaker
It's literally so embarrassing. It's like, ew, like your Midwest is showing. It's very like a cringe. Yes, I do remember where we were when we came up with the idea of APT. So Theban was with us. Theban was with us, yeah. And I regret to inform everybody that we were at a Chick-fil-A.
00:26:04
Speaker
eating and hating ourselves, but having a delicious chocolate and strawberry milkshake and chicken nuggets and french fries. Yeah. You know what the funny part of that conversation was, is the name of the podcast Art Pop Talk came out very naturally for us. It was like the first name.
00:26:25
Speaker
that came out of our mouth. We were like, Oh, yeah. And like, what if we had a podcast and Oh, what if we call that our pop doc? We were like, Yeah, that's perfect. Okay. And then we, I don't really feel like we really tried to workshop other ideas. It was just like, all went down at the Chick-fil-A, like there was something in my strawberry milkshake of shame. That was like, your podcast will be called our pop doc.
00:26:52
Speaker
Yeah, it didn't take us long. You're like, this sounds good. And a couple minutes went by, pandemic occurred and the rest is history. Yeah, pandemic happened really soon after that. And then I finished out my last semester.
00:27:10
Speaker
In Edmond, I moved out of my house in Stillwater while I was mid-moving out of my house because my lease was still up, but I finished out the semester. Edmond and Bianca was still living at home, and it was a really nice time to be able to workshop everything, pen to paper. I can't believe that feels like such a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Also, for everybody's reference as well, today's episode will be our 100th
00:27:40
Speaker
and 11th episode. And I feel like that's really great and really incredible. And I feel like that's 111 episodes of content that will continue to live on and hopefully, you know, provide great things for people. I don't know. Or maybe not. Maybe it's just noise. But yeah, I'm I'm I feel really good about like ending on 111. Yeah, I like that. So
00:28:09
Speaker
Bianca, that's my first question. What were your initial feelings about going into business with your sister? I guess I didn't really have any beer because you and I, I feel like we're on a, you know, we shared spaces together, we lived together. You were in a different program than me, but we worked together at the museum, you know,
00:28:35
Speaker
You were definitely, well, not in art history. It was still in the same vein as me at school and I didn't really have any issues. I just thought, all right, yeah. Let's go for it. Yeah, I just think that's interesting because I feel like I get that question a lot. They're like, oh, you work with your sister or when we live together in college, we lived really well together outside of, I think, our childhood home.
00:29:05
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kind of revert back to our childhood home. We also revert back to old habits a little bit, which can be fun, but equally destructive. So I don't know. I feel like that's a question I get a lot. People are just, I think, curious when you have a sibling that you're so close to in that way that you have
00:29:30
Speaker
a family relationship or friendship and also like a business relationship, like professional relationship. Yeah. Yeah. That is true. I have gotten that question a lot and I don't really think twice about it. I guess I just didn't, I didn't have any like thoughts that it wouldn't be a positive working relationship. I think so too. I think like for me, like you are just my like forever collaborator as well. And I think that's,
00:29:57
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just kind of the nature of like where we came from, like in academia, like being so close. But if I have like a question or like an opinion, like you're just always the first person that I like come to or that I need like something proofread or like, is this bad? Is this good? You will be the first person that I always run by, you know, that kind of stuff. So, yeah. Okay, number two.
00:30:27
Speaker
What were your pits and peaks of running APT?
Podcasting Challenges and Joys
00:30:31
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My pits and peaks of running APT. I think the thing about being like a small business owner or just being like an independent creative is you have to be a person that wears many different hats. And I think that is where
00:30:51
Speaker
the burnout comes to play. And you kind of wish that you could be putting that energy into other things. So it would be great to be able to just focus on the research and the content. But that is not a luxury that we have. We have to be our own social media coordinator. I have to design and keep up with our website, also our IP website. It's stuff like that.
00:31:21
Speaker
where I truly really think the burnout like does kind of come into play and especially when this isn't the only thing that's providing me like income or other students to revenue like in my life, other things that I have to focus on. So when you have so little spare time, I think that just also I think outside of college too, I've just become very aware with like how precious my time is like
00:31:50
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And I like don't really feel like I felt that way in college because that was kind of all I was doing. It was very kind of siloed perspective and that this is just the one thing I'm working towards. But now that I kind of have to.
00:32:08
Speaker
obtain my goals like kind of outside of like my nine to five, your time becomes very like precious valuable thing. And so I think that can be kind of sometimes where you can fall trap, like you can fall into those pits of like, how do I overcome all these other things and manage all these other things that I have to do, like grant writing, funding, sponsorships, web design, social media. Oh, and I also have to focus on the content. So I think that is part of
00:32:38
Speaker
like that time that I am happy to kind of get back to be able to kind of put into something else. So I'd say like that is kind of like a realistic perspective of maybe some of the pits, pit of despair. But the peaks were so much better.
00:33:08
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I feel like it's always the good or I hope that the good outweighs the stress, the bad, the ugly, those things. But I also feel like it's just brought me so much joy and this is where I'm not going to cry.
00:33:34
Speaker
people and collaborate with people like across the world, like really is not something that I thought was going to happen, especially right post undergrad and in the pandemic. And I was never like a Tumblr girly or an internet girly. Like I always joke about that. Like I really feared the internet, but like being able to participate in like this kind of realm of the art world or the podcasting or creative world has like
00:34:04
Speaker
just been so lovely. And I'm really fortunate for all of that. And I'll be very, very happy to keep up with those relationships that we have created. And also just being able to do this with you for the past three years, I feel like it's such an incredible memory that we're going to always have. And that's what I love most. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that was a long answer. So I'm going to ask you the same question. What are your pits and peaks of running APT?
00:34:33
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I feel like mine are really the same. So I bought a plant and well actually Aunt Rosella bought me a plant.
00:34:46
Speaker
And it's the first plant that I've had in my apartment because I am not a plant mom. I envy those who are. I don't have the green thumb. And Andrew definitely does have it, but we've been weary of keeping plants in the house because Ollivander eats all these plants. So we were keeping a plant in a pot. He does. Ollivander has swallowed whole three of my air plants. Yeah.
00:35:13
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evil term shreds. So I bought a pot.
00:35:17
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to plant this thing in because we were keeping it in literally like a cooking pot like a pasta pot like for weeks because I didn't have a planter for it. So I go to this plant store and this guy was he was the owner of the store and he was awesome he is actually an artist and he 3d prints planters like he designs them and prints them and then sells them in his store and he was talking to me and I was and we ended up talking about like oh I said here here's to have a podcast but but then I I had to
00:35:47
Speaker
People have been asking about the podcast lately. I'm like, yeah, but it's coming to an end. Like, I don't want to like, I want to warn them before they like, Oh, great. And I'm like, No, no, no, like, you can still listen. But like, I just want to be very forthcoming with, you know, I don't know. So I'm like talking to this stranger about it.
00:36:07
Speaker
And he was like, oh my God, no, like don't stop the, like he was really trying to convince me like not to end the podcast. And he was like, that's so niche, like that's so cool. And I was like, yeah, it is cool. But man, it's been, you know, Gianna and I had a lot of amazing help from people getting the podcast started, turning it into an actual LLC, like designing merch.
00:36:30
Speaker
making the music. But at the end of the day, it's just Gianna and I trying to run every single department of this business. And it's, you know, editing, it's research, it's equipment, it's social media, it's trying to get our name out there, applying for grants, like applying for sponsorships, trying to grow the podcast, like, and then the mental toll that took you guys know why I
00:36:58
Speaker
ended up getting rid of TikTok because that took a serious mental toll. And I always think about if you could have just push it, where do you think we would be if we were able to create more content on TikTok? Because we were really starting to take off on TikTok, but I couldn't do it. I knew I couldn't do it. But at what cost, right? Mental health. And so I couldn't do it. And so that's a big pit.
00:37:29
Speaker
for me is like what could be because every time I talk to someone they're so excited about the podcast and this guy was like this is amazing like this concept is so cool I'm like
00:37:39
Speaker
Yeah, you know, when I listened to your and Jane's episode, I was like, this is a great job. Right. And then it's like instant regret. But yeah, but it's just the pit is just that we don't have not that we don't have support because we have so much support from people. But it's just the band. We don't have the luxury of quitting our jobs and doing this and only this. Right. And, you know, maybe if we did that during
00:38:06
Speaker
COVID, we would have taken a different path. If we said, we're quitting our jobs, we're only investing in this, we're going to hire people, we're going to hire interns, but that's just not the way it worked out and that's okay. It's just like a back and forth that I think about, I guess, but my peaks are the same as yours. Yeah. I would say, yeah, we're on the same page as always. Yeah.
00:38:34
Speaker
Okay, so what have you learned about being a businesswoman? Or what have you learned about podcasting? Yeah, I'd say, you know, all the little things that you talked about, like very long, the sponsorships, the grant writings, the applications, the building an LLC, building a small business all has really
00:38:57
Speaker
lend itself to me to where I would like to be in kind of the next phase or next trajectory of my career and what I have complained about pretty consistently on the podcast is that my undergraduate degree really did me like a disservice. I feel like really did me dirty and how when you are going to school to you know get a BFA you're just taught how to make art and it's not a prerequisite to or a part of
00:39:25
Speaker
the program to take a business course. And so I feel like I've just been really out of the loop on a lot of things.
Lessons Learned from Podcasting
00:39:33
Speaker
And so I feel like not that Art Pop Talk was a soft launch for myself, but there's so much that I've taken from it that I've learned that I will take with me into the next phase of my professional or independent career.
00:39:54
Speaker
And everything you do in life, you take, you absorb, and it lends itself to the next thing. But I will say, the more time that progresses, it's very evident that this is what this project, this amazing, wonderful project is. This is how it's going to serve me. And also just the content from it. I think I've really learned
00:40:20
Speaker
what content I'm interested in, what content I'm good at producing, and how it can translate into other forms of media as well. Yeah. Okay, Bianca, so what was one of your favorite interviews or special guests on APT? This is really hard. I've been thinking about this, and like you said, we've had literally every guest you've had has just been so amazing. I think that the
00:40:49
Speaker
One of the most impactful ones for me was having Yautica Starfields on because we started our museum career by learning about his artwork and learning how to give tours about his artwork. And when we
00:41:07
Speaker
found out he was, you know, interested in coming on the podcast. I mean, I was like, Oh, my God, fuck. Like, it was just it was such a surreal moment that someone I admire so much and so someone with such success in their careers coming from the same place that I came from.
00:41:28
Speaker
was willing to talk to me and I just, I admired Yautica so much. And so that was a really, really big moment and that was pretty early on too. So I feel like I would say Yautica was just really impactful. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that'll be like, like at my funeral, I hope like that's like the list of Gianna's like accomplishments.
00:41:52
Speaker
And she interviewed artists from around the world, like Yatica Starfield's like, yeah. Giana, what was the most startling discovery that you found on APT? Okay, this is like, this is maybe not like super serious, I don't know, because sometimes I do feel like the imposter syndrome is real. And also, you know, another aspect of this is
00:42:22
Speaker
like younger sibling syndrome. And I feel like that's okay to share, like a part of, or like just being transparent about like kind of the working relationship that you have with a sister or a sibling who you're like super, super close to, but also look up to and put on this like incredible pedestal, you know what I mean? But like, I feel like what I have learned on APT is that I am fucking hilarious. Like I think I am so funny.
00:42:52
Speaker
And I truly think that that is what I bring to the table. And I've like, literally, sometimes like we have these episodes of our pop tag, we're bringing on these like historians like I have so much respect for women's art Wednesday, June and Paloma comes from especially Paloma. She's just like this collector of degrees, like, just incredible, like such a well broken, brilliant women. And like,
00:43:16
Speaker
Sometimes I'm just like, yes, yes, yes. But I truly feel like that's okay, because I know what I bring to the table with this discussion. And I feel like it's a little bit of comic relief. And I feel like that's okay. But I feel like I've learned to because of that, also like forcing myself to be a part of discussions,
00:43:40
Speaker
be a part of the conversation, interact with these people that I do hold for such high regard has really helped with some of my like imposter syndrome. But also, I just think I'm really funny and enjoy myself. And I feel like that was a pretty startling discovery because sometimes like the self-loathing is like super real. But as far as like our overall content, like startling discoveries, I mean, I feel like there are
00:44:10
Speaker
a lot of little examples that I could give you, but I think the best part of APT is looking at something and analyze something and then us having a conversation and just working through our thoughts and feelings about it together and changing our minds about certain things together. And I feel like so often we are not
00:44:28
Speaker
like able to do that or to like change our minds about something or to let ourselves be persuaded. And I just think that's been kind of the funnest thing and I think a refreshing perspective or conversation to have just like in today's world.
00:44:46
Speaker
Um, like little things like that we've discovered, like our discussion on Ray Dunn, I feel like was by far like one of the most interesting. I think like retrofuturism has really, really made me look at, um, has made me look at, um, like a fandom or like a nerd culture, like Marvel things, Marvel esque type things, like a very, very like differently. Like I'm always on the hunt for these things now.
00:45:13
Speaker
I would say also like our bathrooms or bathroods episode is also like, I hope every time anyone ever goes into like a public bathroom is like thinking about like the concepts of a bathroom and just like I had no idea, you know what I mean? Like I go use a bathroom every day and I don't think about like all these things. So those are like the fun things. But overall, I just feel like my startling discovery on APT is I know what I bring to the table.
00:45:42
Speaker
Well, I just want you to know that while you are fucking hilarious, I never laugh harder than when I'm with you or Julianne Porter. True. I also want you to know what incredible host and researcher you are as well. And you're an amazing creator. I mean, you studied art, so no doubt.
00:46:04
Speaker
obviously, you're an amazing creator. But outside of being funny, like you put in a lot of work and research and you're also very good at that. Okay, thanks. But that's the point is like research doesn't have to be boring and you can present it in a funny and entertaining way. That was the whole point of APT is like, why is art history like up its own ass half the time? Right? No, for sure. And it's just interesting. Not that I feel like an odd duck out. It's just
00:46:32
Speaker
you know, my perspective and how I talk about art, like the way that I speak about it comes through the like creation of art and then perchance someone might read like some obscure artist statement, you know, somewhere. So, you know, the kind of putting like pen to paper.
00:46:50
Speaker
I think art is a formal and yet informal experience with creation, and I think that really lends itself to the way that I talk and the way that I write. I need the eye lens, and sometimes art history doesn't always do that. So if you're not allowed to have your own perspective, you have to speak for the canon and contribute that way. Right. Yeah.
00:47:16
Speaker
So Bianca, this might be a good next question. How has our pop talk helped you professionally? I mean, it was everything to me professionally. When I didn't have a job, this was my profession. It's helped me realize that I can voice my own opinions and not be so scared about it. I know we've talked about that a lot, but, you know,
00:47:45
Speaker
Cancel culture can be really toxic while it's good to call Not good people and things out it's also it also creates this kind of suffocation of culture and opinions and it creates fear of being wrong and being judged and I think this has a
00:48:08
Speaker
taught me how to be vocal and stand up for myself also. And that's not something that is encouraged by academia or art history or museums. That is a profession where I felt swallowed and beaten down and there was no room for growth. But because I had APT, because I was a content creator,
00:48:36
Speaker
who is turning academic research into something that's fun and digestible, I am where I am now with my new job. And I absolutely love my new job. Like I just, and it's really, I am where I am because we had APT and it means everything to me and to my professional career and where I'm going from here. I mean, I am a content creator and content manager in,
00:49:06
Speaker
the best way and it's just it's so much fun and at my job I can create things that are accessible and fun and I can reference pop culture and I'm not put down because of it and they welcome that and they accept it and yeah it's not going to fit every piece of content that I work on but they're they're so open to
00:49:30
Speaker
ideas that I bring to the table and we can collaborate and build off those and like expand upon those. And that's because of APT. I love that. Yeah. What is the cringiest moment you feel like you've had on APT? I feel like for sure, just in general, like our first episode was for sure like the cringy, like it keeps me up at night.
Reflecting on Early Episodes
00:49:56
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Yeah, but we never take it down. We I know because I feel like I I need it like there's like I need to like humble myself. Yeah Everyone to know that I'm like from the bottom now. We're here like I am humble as fuck like go listen to my first episode that I have like full free will to take down and I don't you know, I just think it's like
00:50:21
Speaker
when you the first picture I drew was shit or like all like half the things in my undergrad portfolio are just like a joke or like a rip off of something I saw like on Pinterest you know and yet all of those things I think are like building blocks and I also keep and I hoard all those things because I love the record and the documentation of being able to look on that development like that development I think
00:50:50
Speaker
looking back at that record is like super helpful to me. And so that's the amazing thing about having like a digital archive like the podcast is you can go back and you can see that record. And we've had like moments where it's like, we've, we've done episodes where we thought this was like a credible perspective, but then through other conversation, we were like, Oh, you know what, like rich people own art and I just need to get over that. Like, you know, or like,
00:51:19
Speaker
Just there are so many little examples, but I just think it's important to keep also those kind of first like baby step episodes out because I, you know, not that this is like a super inspirational platform or hopefully like, you know, people are like, I want to be just like Bianca Gianna on APG, the podcast that lasted three years. But I think like building blocks are helpful and for other people to see that. Yeah.
00:51:46
Speaker
when you're starting something out, it doesn't have to look pretty. And coming from someone who's getting over their perfectionism and their people pleasing, when I start something, it's like, I want it to be this perfect thing. And that's just not realistic. And I feel like a lot of business owners or professionals, small business owners,
00:52:11
Speaker
would kind of say that if you just want to start something, just start it. And it's OK to grow from that. You don't need to erase that. So yeah. But as funny as I am, I'm also equally just like cringy in my day to day. I do like 10 things a day that just I constantly am just embarrassing myself. But so I'll also just add to that list in general.
00:52:38
Speaker
Okay, so Bianca, what is your, speaking of like, this isn't like a place where it's aspirational podcast. I'd want to know what is your final piece of advice you would like to pass along to creative and our listeners who have joined us for, you know, these years who, you know, have struggled with the same pits and pinks of the art world that we have. I think the, the biggest thing, like I said, you know, how has it helped you professionally?
Professional Growth through APT
00:53:06
Speaker
I mean, APC just,
00:53:08
Speaker
totally changed the outlook on what I think is possible for myself. And it's really hard, like Gianna said, we could have just quit our jobs and decided this is it, we're doing this full time, let's see what happens. While we didn't take that path,
00:53:34
Speaker
I, you know, don't be afraid of that path. Don't be afraid of analyzing all your options, but take stake in how you're feeling and understanding that, like, one path might be an option, but the other path might just be as good if not better. And, you know, your trajectories can change, your ideas can change. You don't, you know, I think today we're
00:53:59
Speaker
we get very hellbent on people flip-flopping like, oh, well, they said this last week, but now they, you know, now they're saying this. It's like, okay, well, I just don't be afraid of, of welcoming change in yourself, because it's brought me to where I am now. And I think that Gianna and I also had a lot of personal learning, like,
00:54:19
Speaker
Like Gianna said, when we started, I was like, this has to be perfection. We cannot miss one week. This has to be amazing all the time. We have to do X amount of research hours to make sure that everything is perfect. And there was a part where I was really afraid of opening up about my true feelings or letting what I needed get in the, or I guess, kind of,
00:54:49
Speaker
go up against what I thought APT needed and those things can interact and they can go together and you can change and you should welcome that and embrace it because it can lead you to anywhere and no path that you're going to take is going to be the wrong path. Gianna, what's something that you wished would have happened on or for APT?
00:55:13
Speaker
I would say IRL collabs. Yeah. And this maybe isn't so much of like a wish, but like I for right now, like in the state or the size of like our like humble podcast operation is I don't want to say that wasn't like that or that couldn't be a realistic goal, but it's just also another thing that now like we're having to coordinate and especially when you are like in a rigorous
00:55:42
Speaker
schedule that is with your full-time job, then it's you're also asking yourself to take off time and use your PTO to then create something to happen or like a workshop or a discussion. You would have to take off time work to do that. And especially for me in this past year, like it's been incredibly busy year, having a lot of family affairs and having to reserve that time.
00:56:09
Speaker
that sacred time for these personal things that are happening in my life with my family. But I will say that the IRL collabs is something that I definitely am craving, but I think that is just something that I am needing to listen to myself more about and how I'm craving that different kind of connection. And I think that is just
00:56:35
Speaker
kind of the marker of where I'm at and how I need to move forward in my professional career and how I want to be involved in the arts in more of that capacity.
Desire for In-Person Collaborations
00:56:47
Speaker
And I think, you know, sometimes when you are talking on one end of a microphone, like it can kind of feel like a very siloed experience. It's just being able to converse and discuss and teach and learn from other people in like a physical setting
00:57:05
Speaker
it's just different. And I think we're all kind of just probably coming off of that post pandemic as well, that I'm just very ready to enter a lot of other spaces again. And, you know, for better or for worse, that is academia for for me. And I'm excited to be kind of like a learner again, and maybe a more kind of formal capacity. I feel like I've been a learner
00:57:34
Speaker
like for myself, like that's what I've loved about our pop talk. And I will continue to be a learner like for myself, but perhaps like the again, for me, the creation aspect comes into play. And I think this past three years has gotten to me, gotten me to a place where I have been mentally ready to be able to create again. And I feel like it's been such a long time coming. And it's like I can see the light at the end of the
00:58:05
Speaker
this tunnel, but really I had a lot of ups and downs after graduation, was going through a lot of health issues, struggling with chronic pain, recent diagnosis. And so now that I feel like I have gotten a handle on these things, art is starting to enter my life again in different ways that I'm really, really happy about. I love that.
00:58:33
Speaker
So I'd say, yeah, the IRL, but you know, again, like we created a digital platform and that doesn't always lend itself to digital platform and that that's okay during the pandemic. Yeah. We didn't start. It's not like we started in a.
00:58:47
Speaker
physical space and then had to take ourself into the digital world. And then being apart, not in the same location.
Impact of COVID on Art Engagement
00:58:57
Speaker
COVID was an opportune time for us, but also in the art space. It is odd that for so long we couldn't go into those places. We got a few in there, but
00:59:09
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I just had like a disjointed Relationship with art spaces too at that time too. Like I wasn't really comfortable being in those spaces pandemic aside. Yeah, and there was like Bridges needed to be like rebuilt. Yeah Bianca what were your top five favorite episodes of our pop talk?
Favorite APT Episodes
00:59:30
Speaker
This one was hard too, but I I went back and kind of
00:59:34
Speaker
takes some favorites. Bumble Boys will always be one of my favorites because I remember you and I going to the park and coming up with the idea for that episode. Do you remember that? Oh yeah. We were at a park in Edmond and it was COVID so I just moved back and we were
00:59:53
Speaker
kind of ideating about APT and the themes in some initial episodes and Bumble Boys Art and Dating was one of our first episodes that I felt really, like really good about. And so that was a fun one. Second canceling Coco Chanel is just, I learned so much and take that with me every day. You know what's so crazy is when I was looking back on our episodes is that
01:00:21
Speaker
That episode happened so early on. I know. I thought this thing was really good. What? I did not realize how early on that episode was. I was like, wow, we have been really like... You talk about her way too much. Way too much. We've been talking about her for way too long. I was embarrassed. I was like, oh, I didn't realize that. We talked about that that long ago.
01:00:49
Speaker
Number three, Watermelon Sugar. That was a weird episode where I think just the name of it
01:00:57
Speaker
lend itself to so many listens to because that was like one of our first episodes that really took off listener wise. And Gianna and I were like, this is like 300 downloads. Like, why does this have so many downloads? And we're like, well, now it has 500. Like, now it has it. So it really took off. And I think when, I don't know if it's when people searched Watermelon Sugar on Spotify that our episode came up or what, but
01:01:23
Speaker
That's one that I really enjoyed the content of that episode and then also it really took off for us and that was exciting. The Montero episode also was like that one did really well. That almost made the list, but yeah. Could Your Kid Do That? I still love that episode. It's one that I still reference a lot because
01:01:45
Speaker
we will always get the conversation of like, I could do that, my kid could do that. And it's such a good lesson, it was such a valuable discussion I think that we had about
01:01:58
Speaker
who gets to create art and what is the origin of ideas and how art is valued and that was really good. It was also literally written in the stars that Praise be Northwest went to her painting class. Yes.
01:02:20
Speaker
And we got to talk about it and it wasn't like we planned that episode before we found out about North's infamous painting and I'm just so here for like it was just great. That's the cut like that is it's just like one of those like
01:02:37
Speaker
you know, the epitome moment of APT where it's like, this is like, this is exactly what we want to talk about. Then bathrooms and bathroods, because one, the name, it's just so funny. And I feel like it was a really good, it was almost like a healing moment where I got to talk about this thing that I experienced and
01:03:06
Speaker
almost like learn from the way that I handled my reaction in that experience, but turn it into like a positive conversation. Because at the time that happened, I was fuming. And then I got to bring that to like a very cool discussion here on APT. And so that's my five. I love it. I also can just say sometimes I'm so proud. Like I love our episode names like bathrooms or bathroods.
01:03:35
Speaker
I love iconic. Done and done with or triptych with diptychs. Yeah.
01:03:47
Speaker
Gianna and Josh Turner. I am going to the Discordia show this Friday also. Are they coming to Boston? Yeah, I'm really excited. Except Gianna, I ordered a t-shirt, which I'm going to lunch with the band on Friday. Nothing makes me feel cooler than taking Discordia out for beers. We're going to a place called Salty Girl. So I'm really excited. I love that.
01:04:16
Speaker
And yes, I'm going to lend to the band on Friday, but I ordered a t-shirt like in April because I want to wear your work and my Discordia merch to the show and it's still not here yet.
01:04:29
Speaker
Oh, just get one at the show. I know, but are you paid for it? Josh will just be like, okay, I'll just give you one. I know. I just have to talk to the band. I'm going to be like Miranda Crossgrove in School of Rock.
01:04:46
Speaker
Listen, I need, you need to get your merch together. I have not received it. I will say the vinyls finally came in for Triptych and Josh gave me mine and exquisite. They look so good. They look really good. Yeah. Love it. Well, Gianna, should we do one more question for each other? Yes, let's do one more question. I'm going to end with what are you going to miss most about APT?
01:05:16
Speaker
I will miss having a fun fact about myself. Like, hi, I'm Gianna. I have a podcast. Now what do I have? I have nothing. I'm just somebody's wife. I'm not a bride anymore. Just somebody's wife. I do feel that way a little bit because I love a good
01:05:40
Speaker
kind of fun fact, but also at the same time, going back to something that's cringy, I feel like having a platform in general is super cringy. Also being like, I have a podcast, please don't judge me, I'm a podcaster. There's pros and cons to that.
01:06:08
Speaker
miss the weekly like check-ins that, you know, our weekly meetings. I will really miss our Google Doc. The Google Doc is where it happens. Chitty chatty. Like the Google Doc brings me so much joy. Pranks in the Google Doc. I know. I love when I, when I get to talk to you in the Google Doc. So fun. So I definitely will miss that. But there are also aspects of that that I know, like that's my favorite part that will never go away.
01:06:37
Speaker
because you are my lifelong collaborator. And some things that you and I have talked about was these are ideas and a perspective that has changed us. It's a lens that we like to share. And I don't think that will ever go away. And I think one thing about the podcast is we are
01:07:01
Speaker
providing access to this perspective through this form of media. But I think that this information can exist in a lot of different ways. And so I think in the future, Bianca and I will probably humor each other to kind of keep talking about these things. But I think it'll just look different. It doesn't have to only live on this podcast. So that is why also I think even though art pop talk, like LLC,
01:07:31
Speaker
that is coming to an end, the ideas and the conversations that we have about art in pop culture are not coming to an end. And so that's the part that doesn't feel sad to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So my last question for you, Bianca, is what things from your APT FlexKit will you continue to carry with you? A mic?
01:07:58
Speaker
I would say a Google Drive, you know, that's always on my phone, so I do love our Google Docs. A Chromecatica sticker that's not fucking stolen and sold on Redbubble by someone else. An original APT Chromecatica sticker.
01:08:25
Speaker
Um, and maybe like all the imaginary merch that we never got to make. Oh, yeah, just our hopes and dreams. Awesome pricks. Yeah. Amazing. I also did. I, oh, like I have one more. Oh, sorry. Please go ahead.
01:08:55
Speaker
the infinite amount of photos I have of museum labels, like the didactics, like photos of didactics. I'm like, oh, this is such a good ABT topic. Yes. Yes. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. I love it. Excellent answer. I figured it's always nice to end on what would you put in your flex kit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great party question.
01:09:25
Speaker
we can take with us.
Final Advice and Gratitude
01:09:30
Speaker
What are you going to say? I want to say that I love you and I adore you, Bianca Martucci Fink. Thank you for sharing these past years of collaboration with me. Appreciate your time. I want to be respectful. I know it's been three years. I think I've taken up enough of your time.
01:09:56
Speaker
So I want to thank you, but I also know that Bianca and I as a whole want to thank everyone who has supported us and supported the podcast. Audrey said Adrian Josh, our lovely mom and all of our guests. Just thank you. Thank you. Thank you for continuing to be our biggest cheerleaders. Yeah, 100%. We
01:10:20
Speaker
said it from the beginning, but we have a lot of amazing creatives, creators, people in our life. And, you know, through ABT we met literally people I just, I'm forever grateful that I know because of this weird thing that we put on the internet. And it really means a lot. And I just
01:10:44
Speaker
APG is coming to an end, but know that you can always find us, you can always talk to us. Social media is not that hard to, you know, communicate by. I hope that we've accomplished kind of what we set out to do, which was make art conversations more accessible and don't let the man, you know, beat down whenever you are.
01:11:11
Speaker
in a museum or you're in a discussion or you're in your art history 101 class, you are entitled to opinions that are also correct. And you can talk about art however the fuck you want. And if you want to talk about it in tandem with Lady Gaga, you're right to do so. Because the way that you interpret the world around you has come from what is in the world around you.
01:11:41
Speaker
it's okay to have those perspectives and I hope that you guys have seen us do that on our pop talk and put that out into all of the art and pop spaces that you enter.
01:12:00
Speaker
I will just echo everything that Bianca said as much as I want to drag this out and never get off this mic and just sit here for eternity. But so you all might be wondering where you can still access the podcasts, although we are not producing them anymore. So you should still have normal access to our pep talk podcast on all streaming platforms.
01:12:27
Speaker
that has not gone away. Our social media platforms will not be deactivated immediately, so if you do want to reach out through the ArtPopTalk social media platforms, feel free to slide into our DMs. That goes for our email as well, artpoptalk at gmail.com. If you have any inquiries or want to get with Bianca or I,
01:12:48
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Just let us know through those platforms. You can also find us through our personal social media if you like. Don't hesitate to reach out to us personally. Like Jonah said, email isn't going anywhere anytime soon. We're probably not going to check it regularly in the future as we start to phase more of the business.
01:13:09
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things out, but don't be scared to reach out on LinkedIn, Instagram, whatever. Wolf, you can find us, I guess, so don't be afraid to go to our personal accounts either. Yeah. We still exist on the internet. Yes. Yes. We do. We do. But again, as our pop talk was this digital archive, we want you guys to have access to that and be able to just reference it like always where you find your podcast.
01:13:39
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And with that, to our lovely Art Pop Tarts, thank you so much for listening these past years. We appreciate your support and your conversation. And with that, thank you so much for Art Pop Talking. Bye, everyone. Bye. Art Pop Talk's executive producers are me, Bianca Martucci-Vinc. And me, Gianna Martucci-Vinc. Music and sounds are by Josh Turner and photography is by Adrian Turner.
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and our graphic designer is Sid Hammond.