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Nepo Bebes of Art History
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APT is back with our hot takes on the nepotism baby discussion. Sorry to burst your APT bubble, but nepo babies are nothing new. In this episode we look at nepo babies through art history and deconstruct the “self-made artist” and the “nepotism baby” together. We also recap the New York Times article, to take a deeper look at how nepotism is being critiqued, specifically within creative / high profile fields.
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Introduction to Nepotism and 'Nepo Babies'
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Hello, hello, and welcome to a new year here on Art Pop Talk. I'm Bianca. And I'm Gianna. Today's episode is all about nepo babies. Bianca and I discuss whether nepotism is really a new startling discovery, or if this is old news, the nepo baby conversation has taken the internet by storm. And today we will add to that internet garbage and dive in.
Gianna's Malaysian Adventures
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to the nepo babies of art history. Let's art pop talk. What up, what up, what up? Oh my gosh. Hi. Hi. Back on my screen. The holiday is over. Right where I belong. Right where I like you. But I got like two weeks with you. I mean, yeah, I was in Oklahoma for three weeks.
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So it feels like I was there for a really long time. Yeah, you were. But I only got to see you for two of those weeks. Yeah, yeah, I suppose so. Yeah, I mean, I got I got a big recap from you over the break, which is very nice. But the art pop tarts haven't heard from you in so long. Oh my gosh, so long. I know you guys have just been dying to hear if I have
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you know, surpassed my supposed fear of stalactite and stalagmite. It's a really big fear. I hope you overcame it. Well, I tried to serve some cave, you know, content, but we went to a lot of caves and it's all good.
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And Malaysia was really great. This was a really big, mostly family trip. So I tried to serve the art pop tarts as much content as I could when actually going about and doing things. The event took me to some Hindu temples. That's where we serve that cave content.
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And I was able to see their National Mosque and then also go to their Museum of Islamic Art, which is right next to the National Mosque as well. So did some sightseeing, was able to share that for you all a little bit. But all in all, it was a wonderful trip. I went for my future brother and sister-in-law's wedding, which was
Clearing Up Misunderstandings: Gianna's Trip
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gorgeous. So congratulations to that. I'm sorry, Jenna, I thought you got married on the...
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I thought that was you who got me. Do we want to even go into that, Bianca? Why don't you explain this inside joke? I'm just teasing Gianna because when Gianna posted photos, there were a plethora of responses being like, congratulations, or I didn't know you guys were getting buried in Malaysia.
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And Gianna's like, no, no. False. So I basically just catfished the internet, I guess, and everybody thought I had gone to get married. But I am here a month later, setting the record straight. And the point is that you're still going to get lots of wedding content in this upcoming season because Gianna did get married and we in fact still have much to do. In fact,
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It's not over yet. You have to put up with listening to us talk about it for nine more months.
Planning Future Podcast Content
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Yeah. So I'm actually, I should really just be apologizing actually that I didn't get married. So, but like I've said, this platform is kind of a dumping ground for my thoughts. And right now it's kind of all a little bit annoying engagement and wedding content. So.
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I mean, I won't be annoyed, but hopefully the art popped hearts. Like and subscribe or unfollow. You know, I totally get it. Either is fine. Either is fine. The choice is yours. Well, not too much to report. Like we said, we've been enjoying the holidays very much.
Art News Segment Introduction
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It was a very nice break to get to relax and reset and rethink about APT for 2023.
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So Gianna, if you are ready, would you like to present us with a little bit of... Bianca, I have been dying to do another Art News segment.
The Secret of Roman Concrete
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So bear with me here because my Art News story is about concrete, riveting stuff, I know.
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A recent CNN-style article revealed that a study team, including researchers from the United States, Italy, and Switzerland, analyzed 2,000-year-old concrete samples that were taken from a city wall at the archaeological site of Perverum in central Italy, the goal to find out how Roman buildings had survived so long and to take a deeper look at the material.
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The sample taken is similar in composition to other concrete found throughout the Roman Empire. And they found that there were white chunks in the concrete, and that's referred to as lime class. I had no idea what this was, so I looked it up for you all. And it's basically just tiny particles that are in the mixture. So if you think of like a dry mixture of concrete, and then you have this other, you know,
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composite in it which is, you know, lime and other stuff and other rock.
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This gave the concrete the ability to heal cracks that formed over time. The white chunks previously had been overlooked as evidence of sloppy mixing or poor quality raw material. Quote, for me, it was really difficult to believe that ancient Roman engineers would not do a good job because they really made careful effort when choosing and processing materials.
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said study author Edmir Mazik, an associate professor of civil environmental engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He goes on to say, scholars wrote down precise recipes and imposed them on construction sites across the Roman Empire. So they did a little test between ancient concrete and modern concrete and the Roman concrete came out on top.
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Roman texts had suggested the use of slaked lime, which is when lime is first combined with water before being mixed in the binding agent. And that's why scholars had assumed that this was how Roman concrete was made, Masek said. With further study, researchers concluded that lime class arose because of the use of quicklime, which is calcium oxide. And that lime class formed at extreme temperatures expected from the use of quicklime
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and particularly hot mixing, which was key to concrete's durable nature. The benefits of hot mixing are twofold, Masak said. First, when the overall concrete is heated in high temperatures, it allows chemistries that are not possible if you only use slaked lime, producing high temperature associated compounds that would not otherwise form.
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Second, the increased temperature significantly reduces curing and settling time, since all the reactions are accelerated, allowing for a much faster construction. So looking at the self-healing aspects, their findings suggested that the Lyme class
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can dissolve into cracks and actually recrystallize after being exposed to water, thus healing cracks created by weathering before they spread to other places in a concrete wall, for example. The researcher said the self-healing potential could pave the way to produce more long-lasting and thus more sustainable modern concrete.
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Such a move would reduce concrete's carbon footprint, which accounts for up to 8% of global greenhouse gas emissions according to this study. You can read more of this article. We will link it for you if you want to learn more about, you know, the mixtures and study of this. But I just kind of thought this was a fun article to share. I just kind of
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Sometimes when these like new discoveries happen, I think it's sometimes it's kind of funny because you think like, I've never thought about this before. But also like we didn't already know that it's just interesting if there was so much information about these like recipes of concrete this whole time, you're just like, ah, the line was a mistake. Right? No, it's one of the stories that shows you we're always going to be learning and discovering new things and not
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art history is present and moving with us and moves throughout culture and will
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change as we continue to advance technology even more. It's just a continuous process. It never stops. I mean, honestly, totally. And I was also just kind of going back into my like, you know, intro to art history notes or, you know, I don't know. And I was thinking about like, oh, like what was the Roman emperor who actually like implemented concrete the most and that was Nero. And so then I went down this little like rabbit hole of kind of burned everything.
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So and then it just got me looking at other things which was you know fun for me, so I I enjoyed it
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I also think this is a cool story that I would love to have learned about in art history as well. Like if I was a chemistry major, and I was forced to take an art history 101 course. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that we should be integrating into your classics class. Yeah, no, I completely agree. It's kind of like when you know, it's so interesting that you say that and what this reminds me of is
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the process of doing like a lost wax cast when you create like a bronze sculpture is the exact same process we use today as what was used then and so because the process of like a lost wax cast is so complex
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typically in art history that might be a a method or like a you know a technical process that you're actually showed like a youtube video about but it's kind of interesting to think about like other processes that are out there that we could still be using even though like modern concrete is made differently it sounds like one we should be taking a page out of this book and including other elements that we're not but secondly this seems like an interesting process just like how
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you might be exposed to like the Lost Wax Cast YouTube video. In terms of embracing art history at all disciplines, I think this is a really good kind of entry point into that where the Lost Wax Cast system, although super fascinating, isn't the most applicable to everyone. And like everyone knows something about concrete. It's just, this is what we're here to talk about, you know. We're here to talk about concrete.
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Concrete is the epitome of art pop talk. Oh, man. All right. Well, Gianna, I just want to jump right
Deep Dive into 'Nepo Babies' Phenomenon
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in. Do you want to introduce the topic for us? Absolutely. So today's art pop talk.
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We are talking about Nepo babies. The conversation on Nepo babies started on the dark web, aka TikTok, and unleashed itself from there to a point where now news outlets are writing opinion pieces about this popular topic.
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So today we are starting to look at the celebrity centric conversation of Nepo babies, which seems to be the dominating point of view of this topic. And we'll recap the New York Times article that helped kind of kickstart off this
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conversation to a point that has taken the internet and I think our minds by storm. Hoping to add to what we think has been a limited perspective in a world full of nepotism, not limited to today's pop stars, Bianca will later talk us through some of the nepo babies of art history. I'm just really excited for this topic because Gianna and I already had a
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a steamy conversation about it over the break. And like everything, there's a lot of different disciplines and perspectives for people to come at this, but I'm curious why we're honing in on one in particular. I could not agree more.
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To provide some context, I think it's going to be extremely helpful just to read the New York Times articles for the Art Pop Tarts about nepotism babies. It's a pretty brief article and it will give us much to discuss and share in a hot minute. Miriam Daraji couldn't help but feel a twinge of betrayal when she discovered. Starting off real hot. No real. I'm here. Betrayal.
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out of a trail when she discovered that one of her favorite actresses of euphoria was not the self-made up-and-comer she thought her to be. Real shame.
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Real shame for Miriam. Quote, she seemed like a regular girl, said Miriam, who works in technical support in Montreal, except for one thing, her parents, Leslie Mann and Judd Apatow are Hollywood stars, except also she's not a regular girl. She's not fucking you for him. In other words, Mad Apatow is a nepotism baby. I mean, the nerve, the nerve.
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of Maud Apatow. Sounds like a you problem Miriam? But we will get into this. For centuries, children born into rich, famous, and otherwise powerful families
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have had a leg up in life, inheriting monarchies, business empires, wealth, and star power. In some cases, they surpassed their parent status. This is what most parents wish for their children. It's also often how power works, especially in Hollywood. Now, a new generation is finding out that their favorite celebrities, talented as they may be, have benefited from a system that is not strategically mariocratic.
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Call me Roskeller because apparently, apparently this is a startling discovery. Truly startling. Truly startling. Congratulations, Gen Z. The phrase nepotism, baby.
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or the diminutive nepo baby, has pervaded social media in earnest expressions of surprise. I just found out, envy. Please God, why couldn't I have been a nepotism baby? And even admiration. Some favorites include Miss Appetal, Zoe Kravitz, and Dakota Johnson. Others are already talking about the next generation of nepotism babies, including the unborn child of Brianna and Aesop Rocky.
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whoo. Thank you for pointing out that intergenerational wealth is a thing. I had no idea what also I just want to chime in because I want to talk about this later. But it says unborn child when was this article written? I guess right before she had her. It just seems like
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Rana had her baby like a while ago. Oh my God. Yeah, you're totally right. I just thought that was weird. Amongst other things in this article, as we'll get into, I also honed in on the fact that it said unborn child. Right. Well, she definitely had her baby, right? We can look into that. So you all know it wasn't Gianna saying unborn. It was the author of this article for the New York Times.
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Quote, in some cases, it speaks to generational differences in celebrity familiarity, said Alice Lepper, an associate professor of media and communication studies at Ursinus College and co-editor of the journal Celebrity Studies.
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She added that some of the young stars' parents are in the industry but aren't necessarily A-list actors whose names and faces are widely known. Quote, I think my envy for children of nepotism comes from the freedom they often have, said Miss
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regiri who lives in massachusetts they are free to follow their creative pursuits in a way that most people aren't the spread of the phrase also communicates a certain disillusionment with hollywood and a rejection of the idea that anyone can make it in a creative industry quote it's a rabbit hole within itself to find how deep nepotism is within hollywood said brie rodriguez an emergency room technician in arizona quote it's dynasties of famous families that
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lasted generations. She was frustrated when she found out that Margaret Qualley, a star of the Netflix series Made, is the daughter of Andy McDowell. Isn't her mom in the show with her? I think Andy McDowell is in Made as well. That's the point. I'll stop interrupting. Keep going.
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Miss Rodriguez, this sounds like a you problem just because you found out about it afterwards. Does it also mean that anyone was like hiding this information that Margaret Qualley had a famous parent? Quote, I don't necessarily hate every Nepo baby, Miss Rodriguez said, but she feels like there's no fresh faces anymore. Definitely want to remember that because
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I feel as though that is something that's actually been going on for a while. In fact, it's just something that you have been made aware of. Quote, famous people are connected to another person who's connected to another person, and it's just not authentic anymore. Jess Elgin, a 27 year old actress and comedian in New York City, doesn't mind nepotism babies and would even venture to call herself a fan.
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She loves the work of Miss Apatow and the actor and the singer Ben Platt, whose father, Mark Platt, is a Hollywood producer. The one caveat for Miss Elgin, though, is that she asked Nippetism babies to own up to it. Quote, just say, yes, I am a child of a celebrity and I'm very grateful for the opportunity that has obviously afforded me. Then we're good, she says. Quote, I think it's when there's a denial of that situational difference
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That is what irks me, just the facade of grinding. At the end of the day, the truth is, if I had the connection that you have, I would absolutely capitalize on them in the exact same way that you have. Continues to say, Miss Elgin.
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Jillian Fuller, a 26-year-old administrative assistant in Chicago who recently started acting, admitted to wishing she had a famous uncle that she could call up for help. But she believes success ultimately boils down to talent. Quote, there are some nepotism children that are super talented, and it shouldn't matter who their grandfather is or their uncle or anything like that, says Ms. Fuller, who cited Nicole Richie as her favorite. She also mentioned Rashida Jones and Kate Hudson.
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They have the chops for it, and I always appreciate that. Bianca, I feel that there are some hits and misses with this article.
Privilege and Creative Pursuits: A Hollywood Reflection
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There are some aspects that I think are helpful for this conversation. For example, kind of towards the end middle, they're hitting on this idea that we all
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have connections that we capitalize off of, or precisely to the article, they're saying, if I had the connections that you had, I would capitalize off of them. I want to use that particularly as a jumping off point for our conversation and let the art prep tarts in on that, because what I feel is that the conversation around nepotism
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has been specifically centric to these celebrity relationships. I think that is a disservice to the conversation because
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every human on the planet experiences some kind of privilege, but there are lots of us that experience nepotism in a lot of different professional and life situations and that is not something that is limited to celebrity. And although the article hints on this,
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it still only analyzes the celebrity aspect. So Bianca hit me with your thoughts. The key things that I picked up on that were a win
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for me are the quote, they are free to follow their creative pursuits in a way that most people are not. Then next, the spread of the phrase also communicates a certain disillusionment with Hollywood and a rejection of the idea that anyone can make it in creative industries. Creative industries being, I think, the key phrase for me. Yeah.
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Then the third part for me was the comedian in New York saying she just asked nepotism babies to own up to it. I don't know that they have anything to own up to in terms of being born. However, if you received a role because of that, I don't think there's any harm in
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shying away, or maybe we'll dissect that. But I think what you were just saying to close out reading the article is that, you know, if I had the connections you have, you know, I would use that too. And the fact of the matter is every single person does use a connection when they can. Yes, I definitely think in terms of a conversation on our pop talk, the idea of analyzing
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the kind of celebrity culture is interesting because typically that lends itself to creative fields you know some of our favorite nepo babies are singers actors and models so i do think that point of the article was definitely interesting because i think so often we do kind of face those stigmas or those luxuries of you know making it as an artist
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but also you go through the struggle and the stigma of being a starving artist before you get that. If you're not a starving artist, then are you just a nepo baby? Right. Is there no middle ground? I'm really struggling to decipher the issue that people are taking with nepo babies because
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you know, this quote, they're free to follow their creative pursuits in a way that most people aren't. That's not an issue of the person being born into a certain family. That's the issue of the system and the people around them and the culture. I don't think it's a problem that Maat At the Tau
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gets to act in euphoria when she's been acting with her parents by her side since she was a young girl. I mean, we all saw both their kids and this is 40. Like, it's just... Right. So, okay, so should I get into the misses and then we can...
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Yes, I think so. I think we're headed towards the misses because I think in this article, there should be more things that I agree with, but it feels like we just missed the point. The interesting thing with me is that this article specifically isn't bringing up like cancel culture and it more so talks about this phenomenon of like, oh my gosh, I just found out and I had no idea. It's this like, it's the shock of it all that I think has
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It's not the cancer culture of it all that has sparked this conversation, which I just find that reaction very interesting. And we're not following up on the reaction. And for me, the appropriate reaction should be, oh, that's just not information that I had before. And now I have that information. And instead of throwing a bitch bit about it, and I liked Mad Aptow before, I can still like her.
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Just because I found out that she had famous parents I don't have to not like her just and be mad about that because now I have this information Like do you that's what I mean when I'm like this sounds like a you problem And you need to like go live with that feel like that thought and just sit with that thought 100% so for my missus besides saying unborn child of Rihanna
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I have a huge issue with the author saying child of Rihanna and A$AP Rocky, quote, a galactic nepotism legend already.
Nepotism as Generational Wealth
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Okay. When we found out Rihanna was pregnant, we fucking lost our goddamn minds. The excitement that pop culture at large
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had for this businesswoman, this singer, this amazing woman to produce more people. We wanted a celebrity baby. One person I met was like, this is a real bad news for this couple deciding to have a child. Right. So then why are we prescribing and putting this nepotism just slap
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on top of a baby already, we have no fucking clue what this child is gonna grow up to do. I mean, would it follow a trend if we saw this baby enter a creative field?
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Sure, it could be a business person like Rihanna. She's a business woman now. You know, sure, but this baby can also do anything it fucking wants. And I think society needs to take a real hard look in the mirror.
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at what they ask of their celebrities. Cause they're like, oh my gosh, I can't wait for, you know, like you have later on, Janet Northwest to put out her first album or Willow Smith. When Willow Smith put out her first song. You ate that shit up, but you weren't mad about it because you like, we all have this cultural understanding that she had famous parents and the funny thing, and I will get into this. And I feel as though why Rihanna and Aesop Rocky are used
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and their child is used as an example, is because it's it's a recent finding. It's a recent thing like their child was just born. People are just starting to figure out who Maude Apatow is. Even though she has been a child actor, she has now entered the adult phase of her career. And people are diving into that. And they're mad about that shock. And it's for it's really a coming of age.
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Because when they're children, it's like, oh, I'm very excited that Rihanna is going to have this baby. And then I too can look at another version of two people that I love and admire. That's a very positive outlook on nepotism and I think
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reproduction at large, we get so excited at celebrity babies, but the minute they become their own person, it's like, mmm. Right. Mmm. Right. But then the article does pinpoint off of the complexities of those feelings a little bit in terms of jealousy and I'm mad about it, but also I would be doing the same thing. I just think in terms of like a case study and the thing about this article is that it feels so
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timely in terms of the celebrities it chooses to call out and who people have been calling out on the internet. And it is more up and coming recent celebrities who have entered, you know, the pop culture scene. I just think it's interesting.
Nepotism Beyond Hollywood
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And this is something that is not new because we can bring up nepo babies of the
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40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Exactly. I want to get into that. My second miss, I mean, really the whole article overall is a big fat miss for me, but the people, the author, the writers interviewing is just really odd to me. The woman from Arizona, quote, it's like dynasties of famous families that have lasted generations. It's like, what?
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Have you not been paying attention to history? I think this is also, we are focused so much on Hollywood for this very strange reason that I fundamentally can't understand. I mean, think about any famous monarchy. As the beginning of the article points out, think about your own family. I mean, I was talking to Gianna about this and generational wealth.
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is a form of nepotism. If you inherit things from your parents and your relatives and your family members, to me, that is a form of privilege, which can be synonymous. In the context, I think TikTok and this phenomenon are using the word nepotism, to me is synonymous with privilege because they're mad about the privilege that these children have from their families in Hollywood.
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Okay, well, take a hard look in the mirror. I'm not saying that this is the circumstance for everyone by any means. We know that generational wealth is obviously often passed down by white people more than it is minorities and people of color.
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I just am curious about why not look at yourself? Why are you not looking at the house you inherited, the things you got from a will, the jewelry that's passed down? Is your engagement ring not a form of nepotism if you keep it in the... You know, just famous families that have lasted generations. Has your ring lasted generations? It's just the surprise of her comment. It's the fact that she says, it's like dynasties of famous families. It's that shock and I'm like, sister.
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Where's the surprise coming from? Yes. It's the shock of it all. When she talks about Margaret Qualley, this feeling of frustration, like you said, Gianna, I simply cannot understand. It's simply information that you didn't have before, and that's not... I don't find this as a reason to get frustrated. I mean, Annie McDowell is a legend in Hollywood. People can have children if they want to.
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you know that's not my choice to make for anyone else. I also yeah and I think maybe it's also important for us to be critical and also fair like there there have been also like lots of famous people who have had children that choose like not to be in the public eye and has maybe quote normal jobs or normal lives and that's fine but I think like
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In terms of being born into that wealth, into that community of celebrity, I can't speak to how it would feel to
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to work in like a quote, like normal, what we think is like a normal work environment after living in this kind of world. It's just interesting. And it also, the way that I was thinking about this in just more tangible ways, I was thinking of like local communities, my local arts community, you know, local like celebrities are just kind of like a funny thing, right?
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no matter what city or town you live in, you have like newscasters and those are kind of your local celebrities. The nepotism that those people experience within their careers in their local communities and whatever community like people have lots of people have public facing roles in business and in their communities. And it's not a conversation
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that needs to just be left up to like pop icons. I think that when you have
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this kind of nepotism, it centers around a family and I also don't think it's fair to, I don't think it's fair to ask children to step out of something that they're interested in. If they are genuinely interested in pursuing a similar career to their parents, which you and I did, we have a family that studied art and took us to art museums and
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As we've talked about, in the theater, painting, framing, construction, woodworking, we came into a family of creatives and both you and I ended up pursuing similar creative fields. But no one's going to be mad at us because our parents aren't famous. I don't think it's fair to ask children not to pursue something that they're genuinely
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interested in. I can't speak to any of these Nepo babies, quote unquote, if they genuinely wanted to do this when they were born. I don't know if it was a lifelong dream or if it's, yeah, something that just fell into their lap because they could, you know. But do we understand that that is just such like a societal, like structural, like talking about like disproportionate wealth is like goes beyond this conversation
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of Nepo babies. And connections, because it's not just wealth, it's the network. And Drew Barrymore, her godfather, is Steven Spielberg. Drew Barrymore is from a line of very famous people in Hollywood. I also want us to be very
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conscientious and we'll continue this kind of frame of reference later on about the connections that every single one of us uses every day. Networking is nepotism. You network.
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And that is an act of nepotism because if you are working for a business, let's say, your coworker leaves and can get you in when they leave into a new place as well. That's a form of nepotism. It's we do it every day. It's not a bad thing. Oh, it's just networking. Right. What are the positive and negative terms that we're using to contextualize our own feelings? Right. It's really interesting. I mean, like, particularly like for myself and my like
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current career outside of our pop talk.
Networking, Philanthropy, and Nepotism
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Like I work in philanthropy. I mean, if you I mean, it's very much about networking and building those connections, but we're not getting mad about it because it's philanthropy. There there are lots of different ways people use their power for good, but it's also OK. I feel as though to use what you to use what in our current system in the structure that we have to use the connections, the tools and the people that want to build you up.
00:37:16
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so you can succeed, but also do the things that you want to do. Sure, you can use your power for good and do those things, but it's also okay to use those connections for yourself and live your life. If I do those things, which I do because I've experienced a recent great community with a bunch of mentors and I've been able to network with a bunch of people who I think
00:37:42
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want to see good things for me and want to help me get to where I would like to be. That is a form of network and nepotism and
00:37:54
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I think the funny thing about this article is that I don't mind this perspective of clearly they are just interviewing everyday people from around particularly the United States just to give their two cents about this topic, but the people that they're interviewing are
00:38:14
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like, quote, normal people with normal jobs, they're talking to, you know, this person is a comedian. So she might be in, she's in a public facing role. But then this person also, you know, works in the healthcare system. Variety perspectives, your average reader, like probably works at a business where they experience networking, and they're on LinkedIn, and they are aware of how their industry works as well.
00:38:40
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So the exact definition of nepotism is the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs. So yes, jobs in Hollywood are different because they're very public facing and you earn a ton of wealth and fame because of it.
00:39:10
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So their job, their work is going to work on a movie or on a set or in production or writing. That is their job. Them going to a movie set is going to work. But when your dad's friend gets you an internship for your first job, is that not the same thing? Yeah.
00:39:35
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And you were going to work and you are there because of a favor, because you were preferred because of your connections. It is the same thing. And I can think of a very clear example for myself thinking of that parental network connection is the artist who I love and adore, who I have interned for in college and collaborate with on and off.
Family Connections and Career Opportunities
00:40:02
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I have that connection with him because he
00:40:06
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worked like 20 years ago with like our mom and had kept up with her. And then I decided to pursue a career in the arts and my mom was like, Oh, I know this artist, maybe one day you can like go learn things from him. And I was able to get that connection with him because my mom had set up this, this connection.
00:40:28
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And I could have probably, you know, maybe I wouldn't have known about him if it wasn't for the connection that my parent had with him. But it's a great thing that happened and it's been such a valuable relationship for me and there's nothing to apologize for. I think that's also the other part of this is that
00:40:48
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I don't think people aren't asking for apologies, but what they're also saying is like, yeah, just own it. But the funny part about this is I don't feel like any of these celebrities that they've called out have been like, oh shit, now everyone knows I have famous parents. That was information I was trying to hide. Every single one of these celebrities I think has owned
00:41:14
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that. So like it just doesn't, that's where the miss is. Right. I don't think many celebrities are hiding who their parents are. They're, you know, some people like Margaret Qualley, for example, have a different last name than her very famous mother.
The Kardashian Legacy and Cultural Influence
00:41:38
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Is it
00:41:40
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We also live in a gendered society, so I'm just making the assumption here that Kweli is probably her father's last name. So she wasn't intentionally trying to probably hide her last name, it's the fact that society deemed it appropriate for her to take her father's name. And obviously that's choice between the parents, I don't know anything about the naming of Margaret Kweli. But did you confront society's pressures about gender?
00:42:10
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A lot of these celebrities are not hiding who their parents are. The example of Maud Apatow truly fucking baffles me. I've known her last name is Apatow. Her father is very famous. Like she does Jurgen's commercials with her mother. I truly like, I can't tell you how not bothered I am by celebrities having children and them taking up a career. Again, that conversation, if they don't want to do it,
00:42:39
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I, you know, they certainly don't have to, it would be great if we allowed them to pursue other careers, but here we were going to Rihanna and be like, when's your baby gonna like, you know, put out an album? Is your baby gonna be featured on your album? It's like, so yeah, I, I kind of want to go into that a little bit more because the funny thing about this article, again, is that we already talked about like, these maybe newer
00:43:06
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again up and coming celebrities and we are just finding out who their parents are and so we're mad about that right but we're not mad about the celebrities that we already know about like um like willow smith was a great example bianca or for example you know our case study a lot of times which is the kardashians and i have
00:43:29
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some specific thoughts about Northwest in particular, I think from a branding perspective, because the Kardashians is, you know, that is definitely a branded name. I see that specific tactic, I think happening within the next generation of Kardashian children. And I think already the adult consumption over Northwest
00:43:57
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and the content that she's allowed to kind of put out by her parents. But I think her parents and probably more specifically Kim, I think is kind of I think it's fair to say that she's conscientious about that. And I kind of see I see this next generation of traditions being built up. But I also see like who our main players are. And I see like North as being a main player. But we're not
00:44:25
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upset about that because that's just all part of the branding and that is following in the steps of the Kardashian empire that Chris built and we applaud Chris. Chris has a masterclass on to teach branding and how to brand yourself and we view that as being like strategic and that's so cool that she built this empire but then
00:44:49
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Do you get what I mean? It's just interesting. I'm not seeing this common thread in terms of what we are choosing to be upset about and not upset about. I know. It's truly like it's at random.
Creative Fields vs. Traditional Jobs
00:45:02
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I also wanted to bring up this idea that's floating around in my head looking back at our STEM versus STEAM episode with Adrienne Turner.
00:45:13
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The quote the author has, they're free to follow their creative pursuits in a way that most people are not. I think there's also this idea that business nepotism is networking. It's that positive association. But in a creative role, like Hollywood, acting is not an easy job. And I would never in my life assume that I can act on any level. That's
00:45:41
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Again, that is work. And I think it seems like we can just say, oh, they were born into this. They can automatically do it. And, you know, in some senses, there are legacy families that are, you know, talent runs in the blood. And I don't know how that happens, luck or Hollywood, or they're actually good at their job. When you grow up in a family,
00:46:09
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on camera, working behind the scenes, you gain access to knowledge, you get to study, you get to watch people. That's something that's present every, it's almost like a language. When you grow up in this environment, you become accustomed and you adapt to that line of work, I think. And when acting is such a personal toll on the body,
00:46:37
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And the way that I'm assuming those people have experienced life, to me, it seems completely natural that their bodies and their minds would adapt to go into this creative role. But I think society's looking down on it like it's easy and anyone can do it when you have money. But it's like a language. Maybe that's the best way I'm thinking of it. It's a learned thing that they have grown up
00:47:04
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they started school at age zero. And it's creative. So it's actually trash and easy. And it doesn't matter. Right? Because I could do that. I could do that. Yeah, I could do that in the medical field. Oh, my my networking my job references. That was really hard. It was really hard. I had to work my ass off. Well, you know, I'm not saying that there's no
00:47:29
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that this is the case for every circumstance. I'm sure with the amount, the sheer amount of content that Hollywood and production companies, the streaming wars have to generate,
00:47:43
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I'm sure it's very easy for people to pick up, you know, so-and-so's kid and stick them in this movie. Addison Rae, I don't think she was great in He's All That, but it's Addison Rae and she's a TikTok star. So give her this role. I think that's, you know, they're two separate issues for me, the substance and who gets what role versus being good at it.
00:48:09
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So Bianca just kind of like on a funny note after reading this article I just could not help thinking about Marvelous Miss Maisel and how there's this episode where they go to the Catskills and Suzy is bunking with the staff
00:48:26
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and she's bunking with these girls and they're talking about how they are going to accomplish big things one day and one of the like camp employees is talking and she's her example is that her dad is a producer but she's not going to use his connections so that she knows that she made it on her own
00:48:45
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And the joke is that Susie says, don't do that. That's stupid. Use that shit. And or also like some of that stuff might not happen. And it's just the funny thing about it is that it is this reality check moment. And I like this example, although it's fictional, because you can you can do anything your way. And if that is
00:49:15
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the way in which you want to handle it, like not using your dad's connections outright. I also think we have to look at this aspect of not denying where you came from and you can't just like, you can't choose your family and like names have clout. And I think at the end of the day, like you, we can't choose kind of what status or what families we are born into.
00:49:40
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100%.
Art History and Nepotism
00:49:41
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So should we take a little breath, a little sip of water, take a little break, and come back with some simmer down, some art-centric nepotism? Yeah. We're not going too far. We're really not spreading our wings very much here this next half.
00:50:27
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Hello everybody and welcome back. So I'm very sorry if you thought that nepotism babies were a new and relevant conversation or discovery, but it is quite the opposite.
00:50:44
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Bianca, I'm so excited to talk about this portion of the episode because we will see who had access to art and the means of studying art. And I think there's going to be a lot of gender, class, and wealth dynamics that are part of this more art historical conversation in terms of nepotism.
00:51:07
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Oh, most definitely. We're getting into the gender of nepotism, which I think is, as we'll get into, just a more contextual conversation. But I just couldn't get straight into that. I had to just offer some name drops because that's just fun. But when I think about nepo-based, the other day,
00:51:30
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uh um alison williams was on the news and she was promoting megan which i'm gonna go see this weekend and i'm very excited to go see megan because everyone is talking about it oh really oh my god yeah i like don't i don't know what to do with me i didn't either when i first saw the trailer i was like ew and then i was like alison williams like what are you doing in this movie but then everyone is like no it's actually a good movie so alison williams is on and i think
00:51:59
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whoever was interviewing her was like, Oh, yes, and we're very good friends with your father, Father Brian Williams. And I was like, Oh my god, how about that? You know, I wasn't like, I found out that I was like, that's exactly how I felt like
00:52:18
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I don't necessarily keep up with who big Hollywood producers are. I had no idea that Ben Platt's father was a producer, but I was just like, huh. I fundamentally don't know what to do with the reaction of people being so angry about that. You got born into being able to sing well.
00:52:48
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He has a gift. He didn't buy that. There are lessons, there are privilege, there is studio equipment, there is all the things that goes into it. But I think at the end of the day, you just also have
00:53:01
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Good voice. I'm just what you know, whatever. Yeah, it's like we it's like we're talking in circles at this point, but I'm just like fundamentally like not mad that pen plots. Dad is the producer. I just like don't care about my pet either. Yeah. Also, like it wasn't really it for me, but like, but I did like the politician.
00:53:24
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Oh yeah, I have a fun story about someone finding out about it. I'm so sorry. Pause on art history. Let's go.
00:53:39
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I think Sofia Coppola, I don't, is she working on a new movie or something? She was in the news and I was telling Andrew like, oh my gosh, Sofia Coppola. He was like, who's that? I was like, you know, director of Marie Antoinette, daughter of Francis Ford Coppola. And he was like the wine guy. And I said, yes, and.
00:54:05
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of the director of the godfather. All these other things. Apocalypse now. Father of brilliant Sofia Coppola who I adore. He's like, he makes the one. His Cabernet Sauvignon.
00:54:23
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is delightful. I will admit. I love that he like has experienced like the wine nepotism but like
00:54:42
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he knew like he knew that the director of the godfather I think in the back was right he knew as an east coast italian he should really just be like ashamed oh oh maybe it was that we just watched white lotus it was something it was very recent maybe it was that we were watching the white lotus and they were talking about
00:55:05
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The godfather, I can't remember, but he was not mad that Sofia Coppola's father was Francis Ford Coppola, the director. He was like, oh, the wine guy? Like, good for her. I could go for some of that cabs off. It is Francis Ford. You make a good wine. What can we say?
00:55:30
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It's lovely. I thoroughly enjoy it. You know, I only buy what is it like the 19 crimes wine with like Snoop Dogg on it and now there's one with like Martha Stewart. Like that shit's hilarious. Oh my gosh. So a form of nepotism. You're talking about all the, um, you know, celebrities who just slap their name on tequila.
00:55:54
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and alcohol and wine. Okay, so going to art history. So we'll link this article for you guys, but it's an art news article that just has this massive list of art history and hippo babies. But what I really liked about the list, obviously, I'm not going to read the whole thing, is that it kind of breaks it down in terms of
00:56:17
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art dealers, museum directors, auctioneers, auction house people, and artists. There's a whole suite of people in the art world who many of you very well know benefit from
00:56:31
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nepotism or our nepo babies. And I just thought that was really interesting that art news broke it down in that way. It's not just, oh, artists and celebrities and filmmakers. It's it's the people behind the scenes. And that's exactly what I want to see. So starting with this one was actually in the dealer's section on Rematis. His son Pierre was an art dealer and founder of a gallery in New York.
00:56:58
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Camille Pizarro, the Impressionist painter, his son, Joachim was an art historian, curator, and professor at Hunter College. Oh, he was the grandson of Camille. And then the great grandson of Camille Pizarro, Lionel was an art dealer as well.
Jean Renoir's Cinematic Legacy
00:57:20
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Laszlo Moholy-Nagy, the Hungarian artist, Bauhaus school professor, his grandson was the director of Art Cologne, then we have the Wyeths.
00:57:35
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Just all of the Wyeths, NC Wyeth, American Bainer, Andrew, Jamie, you know, there's a bunch of them. That was the first thing you and I, like, it was like, we just looked at each other and we were like, Wyeth?
00:57:52
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Um, and then the last one I'll read again, we'll link that list. It's just, you know, it's fun to name drop all we want. And it's nice to learn new things like, Oh, this is, this is nice. Like, this is interesting. Um, one of my favorite examples of an art history, Nepo baby is, um, Pierre Auguste Renoir, the impressionist painter, his son Jean Renoir was a French filmmaker and the director of the roles of the game. And that's from 1939.
00:58:22
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And the rules of the game is always on the top list of one of the best movies ever made. Like it always makes like, you know, the top five movies ever made. It's just, it's a phenomenal movie. It's really wonderful. If you haven't seen it.
00:58:40
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You should definitely watch Rules of the Game, but I remember I was taking my international film class and I was in school and Jean Renoir, you know, we're watching this movie and then I'm looking him up like doing research like, oh my gosh, it's, you know, the artist's son. Great. Moving on. You know, so it just, I love that example. It's just, I also love French film and I just,
00:59:03
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It just makes me happy. It doesn't make me mad. I can't understand why people are getting mad about it. It's like more art, more things for me to enjoy, more people working.
00:59:13
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great. You know, not always the case, but in this case, it is. So moving on, Gianna made a really interesting comment in our prep work document. And I'm just going to read what she typed because we were kind of working through some ideas. And she said, I'm not sure if this would be helpful just to talk about the quote unquote self made artists as well, or maybe deconstructing the idea of the self
00:59:41
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made artists just as we kind of deconstructed the male genius. And instead of kind of continuing to dig up examples of artists that had children and went on to be artists or our dealers or whatever, I think that what she wrote here provides a more nuanced discussion in terms of why we feel unsatisfied with the name dropping trend that Nebo Babies has sort of
01:00:09
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You know, these discoveries just fall into a trap where they don't go anywhere. It's just a fact and it kind of stops there. So I'm going to take a minute to quote my own work here and
01:00:25
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you know, why not use my own research to talk about myself on this episode? It just feels very fitting.
Art World Privileges and Nepotism
01:00:29
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So when I was working on my thesis, I was thinking about
01:00:43
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these ideas of workplace, and we've talked about it before, but how men and male artists are often given different privileges that women aren't, especially when it comes to their studio space, when it comes to the workplace. I was also thinking about who was able to work in certain studios, who was able to work on certain projects. So I'm just going to read a little excerpt from that.
01:01:09
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We've talked about unpaid labor a lot on this podcast, so it kind of falls into that as well. Institutions' exploitation of unpaid labor is a problem that concerns many young professionals entering the field, as many artists, studios, galleries, and museums rely on the full-time work of college-educated
01:01:26
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unpaid interns. In a 2017 article titled, Can Only Rich Kids Afford to Work in the Art World?, writer Anna Louise Sussman highlights the largely invisible role of class in the art world and points to some challenges in bringing economic diversity into a liberal-leaning industry that values humanism and resourcefulness.
01:01:49
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According to a New York Times article from the same year by Quotrung View, quote, about 40% of 22 to 24 year olds receive some financial assistance from their parents for living expenses. 40% of people 22 to 24 receive
01:02:07
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funds from their parents. I just want like across the board, not in Hollywood, everywhere. Among young people who aspire to have a career in art and design, 53% get rent money from their parents. Young people who live in urban centers are more likely to have their parents pay the help of rent.
01:02:24
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nepotism drives the art world in so many different ways. And I know that is probably just something so obvious to many of you listening. I just think again, it's, it's been that piece that's missing from the larger conversation about nepo babies. And I think, Gianna, you and I are kind of swinging back and forth of opposite ends of the spectrum, like
01:02:49
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Like, this is fine. People are allowed to have children. They can do what they want. Those people can enter the careers that they want. But on the other hand, we are living in this system that continuously allows for that to happen. And that's a problem, again, of generational wealth, white privilege.
01:03:09
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race, class, gender, sexuality, like there are all these other things tied into it besides just who your parents are. I also wanted to talk about this story um kind of leaning into the the studio aspect a little bit. I remember when I was at the Uffizi and I um
01:03:33
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was looking at this Verrocchio painting, it's very famous, you know, the baptism of Christ from 1475. And I remember looking at the label, and the label read that the painting was by Leonardo da Vinci. And I had just, you know, studied this in my class and was very excited to go see it, but I knew that it wasn't only Leonardo da Vinci,
01:03:58
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Leonardo da Vinci worked on this painting with his master, Verrocchio. And I was thinking about this idea of nepotism in the arts as an industry, not as something that happens to always to blood relatives, like with this can only rich kids work in the art world.
01:04:19
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Well, yes, that's privilege from your families, but also from your connections. Like if your family is wealthy and has connections to a dealer, a curator, a director, you're more likely to get access to those roles. And then this painting, I remember thinking, it's just, I mean, the Uffizi obviously knows more than I do about the piece, but I just thought it was so odd that the name Leonardo da Vinci held more weight.
01:04:46
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then even being bothered to list Verrocchio's name as his master, it's like, oh, Leonardo's become so famous that we want to show like, this is his, he stood alone in this, the idea of the male genius. Well, these two people worked together, in fact, on this painting, and it wasn't one person alone. It was Leonardo learning from his master, Verrocchio.
01:05:14
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Culture Quota, a few days ago now, Gianna, posted this fucking hilarious meme where she put Artemisia Genaleschi's face on Hailey Bieber's body with the meme that's going on, Hailey Bieber wearing the Nepo Baby t-shirt. And I thought this was a good cross-section for us to go a little deeper, decipher a little bit more. Later on in my thesis, I was
01:05:44
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talking about nepotism and women artists not being given the same studio forgiveness. Like I said, that men got obviously not being afforded the same privileges. So, of course, can't write anything in art history without acknowledging Linda Nachlan's publication on great women artists and how she writes that
01:06:06
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In order to go beyond simply digging up examples of worthy or insufficiently appreciated women artists throughout history, she explores the institutional and educational barriers that have conventionally prevented women from achieving greatness as artists.
01:06:22
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For example, in a discussion of the nude as an essential component to artistic studies and training, she says that women were not given the chance to be great as they were not allowed into art academias where nude subjects would have been studied and created by many male artists. And for the rare exceptions of women who did in fact achieve the Statue of Greatness, such as Artemisia Generaleschi, I always say her name in different ways, they were often trained
01:06:50
Speaker
their artistic fathers or given opportunities by men. So we know that Artemisia's father was a prominent artist. So Artemisia is in fact a nepo baby, but do we forgive and forget that fact because she wasn't allowed to enter artistic spaces
01:07:14
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that men were. So, you know, for Gianna's misnasal quotes, she's saying, don't do that, that's stupid, like don't be an artist, use your father to learn. Artemasia used that shit and she used to become more famous than her father. So Leonardo became more famous than Rochio.
Mentorship and Artistic Careers
01:07:32
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And arguably, she's the most famous woman and, you know, famous Renaissance painter in the Western world. So,
01:07:41
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I'm just curious as where is the point at which we forgive nepo babies for being nepo babies? What's the point at which we forgive artists for learning from other people? I know, I know, I know. It's the trailblazer of it all. It's like we can't get mad at her because like we use her as this like feminist reference and icon which like I think that she is in her own right but like
01:08:08
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she gets this pass because she's the first and so like now when other she's not the first she's just the first quote unquote that people know about right they know about her right but it's like she's an icon she's a legend right but like we're just gonna be mad
01:08:25
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Hailey Bieber, because- We're really mad at Maude Apatow for training under her father. Maude Apatow, who? Who is this guy? I mean, is it not education? Is it not a form of school? Like in Hollywood, who?
01:08:42
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Lest we not forget, yes, Mad Aptow is becoming very successful. We are talking about Mad Aptow way too much. I can't believe that this is like the lowness. Mad Aptow stands in F.E.T. We can't forget that Hollywood and the world at large is still a very white male-centric space. There are spaces in Hollywood that women have not been allowed into.
01:09:09
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There are rooms they weren't allowed to be in. There are work behind the scenes that they weren't always hired to do. And they're still not. Those spaces are still dominated by a certain type of people. Those decisions are made by a certain type of people. And why did we let art amnesia and so many women painters, why did we say this is amazing what they did?
01:09:33
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But in our current context, Maada Apatow can suck it because she was born from Leslie May and John Apatow.
Examining Personal Networks and Privileges
01:09:42
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Well, Bianca, now that you've shattered the ceiling, now that we know this about Artemisia, people, I mean, get ready. I mean, people are going to be mad about it clearly. It's just going to follow the trend, the shock of it all. You've shocked us. I'm shocked. I'm very frustrated to learn that Artemisia
01:10:02
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learned from her father, God forbid. Get ready for like my cancel culture Twitter post. Oh my God, that's so funny. I don't ever get on our Twitter. But like, we should really do that, like add to like the noise on our on our Twitter. Like, did you hear did you I had I had no idea. Do you think culture Colada would do a collab with us? And we could get like cancer.
01:10:30
Speaker
Because they have so much also, remember, shop at Culture Quota, they have so much good art at Misha merch. Well, you know, I know that wasn't a super just in depth list of people from art history. I just think it's, I just want the conversation to go there, you know, in the broader sphere, because there was also Gianna,
01:10:55
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in comparison to your New York Times article, there's also a New York Magazine article that kind of just was this huge list of all these nepo babies of Hollywood that came out as well. And it's kind of like an organization chart of, you know, how to keep track and who's who and all this stuff. I keep track, so this is crazy. No, truly it's unbelievable. Like IMTV, like I'm on IMTV every time I watch a fucking movie. Like it's just like, this is common knowledge to me and I just don't get it. But nevertheless, um,
01:11:24
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I think that we're going with this very front-facing New York Times, TikTok, New York Magazine, just list of stuff. I hope that the later half of this conversation, using Artemisia as a very classic example, but just adds to where we can take this conversation. Because I'm fine with having the conversation. I'm fine with taking a critical look at things. We should always be doing that.
01:11:52
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Where is it going from there? And how are we using that to progress things, not to get mad at people working?
01:12:03
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And people were taken in. And to take a look at them here. Look at your own industry. Obviously, Gianna and I know, and many of you know that this is what has happened in the arts for all of time. But look at yourself. How did you get to where you are? A lot of people work extremely hard and don't have any privileges, any connections, any network, but a lot of us do. And it's okay.
01:12:34
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don't be a hypocrite. Yeah. Well, and again, I think that was our objective with this episode was to
01:12:47
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brought in the perspective on something that is doing a deep dive on a creative field.
Conclusion: The Global Impact of Nepotism
01:12:52
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But as we always do, take a look at how that transcends past the arts and how we are not the exception. We are also just a lot of other careers and fields. And that's all I have to say about that. Can't put baby in a corner. Can't put me in a box.
01:13:16
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Camp at Artemisia in a corner.
01:13:19
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Well, I, um, I think we I've talked way too much. We've talked way too much about I think we're done. Yeah, I think now my brain is now I've emptied my brain of all the thoughts that I've wanted to talk with you about because also beyond and I like save things sometimes cuz you're like, don't tell me don't tell me like save it for the episode. And so now there's just like, absolutely nothing left in my brain right now.
01:13:47
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Truly. Honestly, I feel good. I feel like I've purged. It's a good feeling. Well, I'm so glad to be back in the new year. I hope that you all missed us dearly. We missed you dearly. Now that we are back, make sure that you are keeping up with our resources and our postings on social media, on Facebook, and Instagram. With that, we will talk to you all in two Tuesdays.
01:14:16
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Bye everyone. Bye. Art Pop Talk's executive producers are me, Bianca Martucci-Vinc. And me, Gianna Martucci-Vinc. Music and sounds are by Josh Turner and photography is by Adrienne Turner. And our graphic designer is Sid Hammond.
01:14:51
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