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Session 57 - NCAA Duals, Senior Level Events, and Women's Wrestling!
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We cover the highlight results from a busy set of NCAA duals from the past two weeks. Take a look at team USA's performance on the senior level, as well as an exciting upcoming event hosted in the United States. Last but not least we celebrate Women's Wrestling being added as an official NCAA sport at all three divisions!
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Transcript
Intro
Welcome and Sports Update
00:00:08
Reese
That's a great story.
00:00:09
Cokeley Brothers
its Yeah, that's that's a great story.
00:00:10
Reese
Great story that we can't tell the public.
00:00:10
Cokeley Brothers
We'll we'll hear it another day. Yep.
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Reese
Nobody gets to hear it.
00:00:14
Cokeley Brothers
One day, but not today.
00:00:17
Cokeley Brothers
Welcome back to another episode of the Barn Session Podcast. We are your hosts, the Coakley Brothers. There's three of us. And we got a little bit of rest to talk about. It's been been a couple weeks since we we were live.
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Cokeley Brothers
And it's Saturday night. The Lions and the Commanders are playing each other, the Redskins. Um, what, uh, the commanders are up 31 to 21.
00:00:39
Reese
Whoa, let's not get political.
00:00:40
Ryne
So who's winning right now?
00:00:48
Ryne
I just want i just wanted it out there. I just want everyone to know that I called this upset.
00:00:54
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I also saw before the game that the over-under was 55 and a half. Uh, they're like barely into quarter to three and they've there at 52. So I think they're going to get it. I think they're going to go over.
00:01:07
Ryne
Two high powered offenses. You got to hammer the over on that one.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I was kind of surprised that the lines were this limited though, but yeah, that's that chief's one. Let's, uh, the chief of Reese.
00:01:20
Ryne
You mean the chiefs and the referees one.
00:01:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Reese. Right.
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Reese
whatever did it
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Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I, there was only one this time.
00:01:31
Reese
was like what there was like one agree just call well
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Ryne
I heard there's more than one.
00:01:37
Reese
I was the only one yeah you know they go both ways Patrick
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Ryne
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
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Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
NFL Predictions and Speculations
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Reese
Mahomes just there's one thing that you can't deny Mahomes plays the game big-time I mean he tried to draw several
00:01:47
Cokeley Brothers
Let.
00:01:54
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I saw.
00:01:56
Reese
like flags flags But they didn't buy it Except for that one time Kelsey had a great game.
00:01:59
Cokeley Brothers
I saw, I saw one crazy play by Kelsey where he almost scored a touchdown. That shit was cool.
00:02:06
Ryne
Heard Kelsey had a good game.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
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Reese
They had an awesome pass that my homes through as he was being tackled falling down. I Mean, it was a good game, bro. I don't know why people gotta be all but hurt And here's what here's what I think is gonna happen.
00:02:19
Cokeley Brothers
Because it's the Chiefs. Chiefs with one back to back.
00:02:22
Reese
I think the NFL is propping the Chiefs up to be beaten in the Super Bowl Super Bowl game Okay, well Yeah, I don't think any team is getting definitely not the Chiefs they're not getting bodied it'll be a nail biter if anything they're gonna they're gonna make the Super Bowl
00:02:30
Ryne
They're not even going to make the Super Bowl.
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Cokeley Brothers
Brian thinks they're going to get bodied by the Ravens.
00:02:36
Ryne
No.
00:02:42
Ryne
Not the Ravens.
00:02:45
Ryne
It's Josh Allen's year.
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Cokeley Brothers
Joshy man.
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Ryne
It's just, it's just his year, man. It's Josh Allen's year.
00:02:53
Cokeley Brothers
They have, yeah, they've had like, they've had like two weird games this year. I think that's it though.
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Ryne
It's his year, man. He's an MVP. He's going to be Super Bowl MVP. He's going to win the Super Bowl. He's marrying Hailee Steinfeld. It's just his year, dude.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, dude.
00:03:09
Ryne
It's his year.
00:03:09
Cokeley Brothers
Early, early on the year, they got smashed by the Ravens and then lost a nail biter to the Texans, which those are both obviously good teams in the playoffs. Oh, the Rams. That's right. They beat the Chiefs, beat the Niners and then lost to the Rams.
00:03:22
Reese
The rims are also in the playoffs.
00:03:22
Ryne
Rams are also good. yeah
00:03:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So that's all good teams and they smashed the Broncos last week.
00:03:30
Ryne
And if, if, if Detroit doesn't pull their heads out there, but here the Rams have a very ah good opportunity to make the Superbowl.
00:03:38
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Yikes. Wait, who coaches the Rams?
00:03:45
Ryne
I can't remember the coach's name off the top of my head.
00:03:47
Cokeley Brothers
But it's not Harbaugh. That's he, he coaches the, the charters.
00:03:48
Ryne
No, the charges.
00:03:49
Reese
It's the Chargers.
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Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I get them mixed up all the time. Um, Okay, as long as Harbaugh doesn't make it.
00:03:55
Ryne
They are both in, they are both in LA. So.
00:03:58
Cokeley Brothers
Right, yeah. And like they're the same the same colors.
00:04:01
Ryne
You don't like Harbaugh. I love Harbaugh.
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Cokeley Brothers
No, no.
00:04:05
Ryne
He's awesome.
00:04:05
Cokeley Brothers
Do not like Harbaugh.
00:04:08
Cokeley Brothers
All right, let's let's get into what we're here for, which is which is some
Wrestling Recap and Analysis
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Cokeley Brothers
wrestling.
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Ryne
What about the other Harbaugh?
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Cokeley Brothers
He's fine.
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Reese
half of them dude, both of them fire
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Cokeley Brothers
can
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Ryne
That's fucking that's why.
00:04:21
Cokeley Brothers
Let's get into some wrestling. Where do you guys wanna start?
00:04:24
Ryne
Well, let's do you want to start start recent and work backwards?
00:04:24
Cokeley Brothers
Where do you even wanna go from here? Sure, yeah, so let's let's let's hit the heat first. Nebraska Penn State.
00:04:36
Ryne
It was fire, even though it was lopsided.
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Cokeley Brothers
pretty Pretty phenomenal stuff. It was, but i I mean, that's the case with a lot of duels where the matches were really competitive, but the score was not, the dual score wasn't.
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Cokeley Brothers
So I'm going to pull up the overview on the duel. Penn State beats Nebraska 31 to seven, ah eight eight matches to two. They started the duel at 174. Levi Haynes over Pinto, Storachi over Allred, Josh Barr, Tex Camden McDaniel, Kirk, Tex Harley Andrews. And this this is where we start to get into the good matches. ah Luke Liladol takes out Caleb Smith.
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Cokeley Brothers
four to two, just just one one like crazy quick re-attack off of Smith's offense.
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Ryne
Oh, is it really a re-attack or was it just kind of, I don't know, I guess it was a re-attack.
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Reese
like he fell behind him kind of.
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Cokeley Brothers
I guess a go behind.
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Ryne
Yeah, it was a weird thing.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, i saw I played it a couple of times and because at first I was just like, oh Smith just made the wrong choice when trying to recover.
00:05:43
Ryne
Yeah, he just, it was honestly, it was, he capitalized on a sloppy duck under attempt, I guess, if you want to call it that.
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Cokeley Brothers
but like
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but also if if you watch little at all like places, they're like it has elbow control on the hand that hits the mat. And so he he like pushes that. And that's like how he's I think that's how he's able to dart his feet away or like towards the towards Smith's hips.
00:06:08
Cokeley Brothers
um and And then there was the fact that, yeah, maybe that was a sloppy attack because Smith had been dinged for stalling and the pressure was on him to to do something. So.
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Ryne
It just didn't feel like it was necessary at that moment in the match.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, probably not. but
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Ryne
Push it to overtime.
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Cokeley Brothers
Right.
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Reese
Yeah, he's not gonna hit you for stalling in overtime probably might maybe You know, but Nebraska home home door
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
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Ryne
Well, he might.
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Ryne
He might. It did just happen to, uh, Moshe.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I mean, I saw it happen in Midlands too. It's happening.
00:06:43
Ryne
Yeah, it was at home. You're right. Good, good point.
00:06:44
Cokeley Brothers
It's just true. It's true.
00:06:46
Ryne
Excellent point.
00:06:47
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, so yeah, little doll won that match four to two. Jacob Van D takes out Braden Davis 14 to seven. ah
00:06:55
Ryne
Before we get into the nitty gritty of this duel, I just would like to say that I did think it was pure genius, pure evil genius on Kale Sanderson's part to gamble with the flip and then win it and start at 174.
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Cokeley Brothers
this was
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Ryne
Cause you just basically, you just basically like start, you're like, I know I'm going to win these matches.
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Reese
dude that makes sense honestly
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Ryne
That gives us all this momentum going into the, where the really tough matches are.
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Cokeley Brothers
Um, this was
00:07:22
Ryne
And on top of that, he knows that. A couple of these dudes are pulling hard to get down to lower weight classes than they've been in the past.
00:07:28
Cokeley Brothers
That's true.
00:07:30
Ryne
So I just thought, I mean, classic, classic Kale Sanderson, honestly, classic Kale Sanderson.
00:07:31
Cokeley Brothers
No, I didn't think about it that way.
00:07:37
Cokeley Brothers
ah
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Reese
i thought I had thought that it was Nebraska who decided to start there for the for the sake of like the crowd, but that's yeah that your what you said makes more sense.
00:07:46
Cokeley Brothers
Mine.
00:07:48
Ryne
Kale knew what he was doing. He's like, I'm going to get all this momentum. And then it's like, and then even if they're still able to keep it tight and maybe drag it down to the last match of the night, I've got Mitchell mess and break.
00:08:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:08:05
Ryne
So evil genius.
00:08:05
Cokeley Brothers
um I was wondering because what Willie Saylor was talking about Caleb Smith having a hard time getting down to 125. And so giving him a lot of recovery time, but even with it, little doll still won.
00:08:18
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah.
00:08:21
Ryne
I wonder how hard of a time it is. Cause he, I mean, he's thick.
00:08:23
Cokeley Brothers
I, yeah, but no, and um I'm taking it.
00:08:25
Ryne
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure it's not an easy cut, but it just doesn't seem like it would be that hard. I don't know. I don't know.
00:08:33
Cokeley Brothers
verbatim from what Willie said, he's, he does not look like a guy who would, who would have a hard time cutting to one 25. So it was, I don't know.
00:08:38
Ryne
Hmm.
00:08:40
Cokeley Brothers
And it didn't, didn't play factor. He had, ah had plenty of time to recover and little doll still managed to win. So, uh, but yeah, one 33 this, so we were talking about, we were talking about, okay, what matches do we think Nebraska can win here?
00:08:57
Cokeley Brothers
And there was the, there was Ridge love it. There was Brock Hardy. Caleb Smith. I think, I don't know. I think Vandy's variants.
00:09:06
Reese
I thought Andrew Taylor had a shot.
00:09:06
Ryne
To me, I thought, honestly, i that's, I mean, I said it in the text messages, like they could win the first five weights. They could, those are all five of those are winnable matches for him, but the last five were not.
00:09:18
Cokeley Brothers
yeah No, no, no, no, no, there was, dude, their their upper weights are so daunting.
00:09:20
Reese
Yeah.
00:09:27
Cokeley Brothers
And it's just, it's been that way for so long.
00:09:29
Ryne
Mm-hmm.
00:09:30
Cokeley Brothers
But but yeah, you're right. I mean, they could have won any of the first five matchups. i But I really, I don't know why I didn't kind of look more into Van D versus Brayden Davis. i I don't think, at least this year, I don't think Brayden Davis is gonna be a real threat at the weight.
00:09:43
Reese
It was kind of one exchange.
00:09:50
Ryne
It's ears, ears to me, it was Vandy has huge upset potential against basically anyone he wrestles, especially when he's at home.
00:10:02
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:10:02
Reese
yeah and He just got a big move.
00:10:03
Reese
didn you know Hit him with the Jonesy and then it just match fell apart.
00:10:07
Ryne
He's really good.
00:10:07
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:10:08
Ryne
He's he's really, really good at that too.
00:10:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Early on, just held on from there. Yeah.
00:10:12
Ryne
Apparently.
00:10:13
Cokeley Brothers
Such a, that's such an interesting thing to have like high level capability at.
00:10:17
Reese
Man talk about Derek Wapaya Jonesy Matt master I
00:10:20
Ryne
It was tight. Oh, yeah.
00:10:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But did, look did do it at the D1 level?
00:10:27
Ryne
Sure.
00:10:27
Reese
Did it that dole Gary in one time you could do it to pretty much everybody he wrestled Yeah, he fresh I mean he was a d1 level dude easily Yeah, good guy
00:10:30
Ryne
He did it. I mean, he, he won Fargo off that move, basically.
00:10:36
Cokeley Brothers
That's crazy.
00:10:37
Ryne
I mean, he, yeah, the kid is he was.
00:10:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:10:42
Ryne
Shout out Derek Lapaya.
00:10:45
Cokeley Brothers
Is he Blue Springs?
00:10:47
Ryne
Uh, that's where he rests. That's not where he's coaching right now, but that's where high school went to.
00:10:49
Cokeley Brothers
best so No, but that's where he like high school. Yeah. no Yeah.
00:10:53
Ryne
And then, uh, one or two time division two All-American for Central.
00:10:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:11:00
Ryne
Actually, it might've been once for Maryville and once for Central. I don't remember. I have to go back and look.
00:11:06
Cokeley Brothers
but Okay, ah yeah, and then Bo Bartlett, Brock Hardy, eight to seven, Bartlett beats Hardy.
00:11:18
Cokeley Brothers
where where Where do you even start with this?
00:11:21
Ryne
That was the best match in the night.
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00:11:24
Reese
Yeah, it was a good match.
00:11:24
Cokeley Brothers
that the I mean, that's one of the best matches of the dual season so far.
00:11:30
Reese
I think, I think, uh, this match just makes me feel even more certain that Hardy is, you put him throw up, slot him in there with the other three as a title contender.
00:11:43
Cokeley Brothers
But he also, but he he also loses it to Apple.
00:11:45
Reese
What, what are you, what are you shoving your shoulders for?
00:11:48
Ryne
Because he gets beat by guys like Apple and Jameson. And Jameson
00:11:51
Reese
Yeah, but he's the only one I feel like out of any of those guys outside of the top three that can actually beat the top three is what I'm trying to say Okay, Jamison.
00:11:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he, going to say this.
00:11:58
Ryne
has definitely proven himself this season to be a guy.
00:12:00
Reese
Yeah, maybe maybe not. it I mean he brought parties being real woods I mean he was right there to beat Mendez. He's beaten Bo Bartlett before I mean really had that match one just made a Kind of hung on I mean it that wasn't necessarily that he made an error.
00:12:18
Reese
He just things kind of fell and Like, you know, didn't fall right for him.
00:12:24
Cokeley Brothers
I'll say this, uh, high ceiling, like able to take out the the people in the top competition, low, low floor comparatively.
00:12:28
Reese
High ceiling.
00:12:32
Cokeley Brothers
Like he, he can lose to some.
00:12:33
Reese
Comparably to the top 3DS.
00:12:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So like, it's kind of like a, like a freshman sophomore year version of veto, right? Where he was like, he can beat, he can beat the best, but he's, he's also going to lose to pack glory. Um, who is, he's pretty good.
00:12:47
Cokeley Brothers
Um, so.
00:12:55
Cokeley Brothers
I just, I don't know if he's, I don't think he can string it together for, for big 10s and NCAAs.
00:12:59
Reese
Well, I mean, he had a great NCAA last year. i mean he heru I mean, that was about as well as you could string together. He got splayed old, you know, in the semis, which sucked.
00:13:08
Cokeley Brothers
iled yeah Yeah.
00:13:10
Ryne
on national television.
00:13:10
Reese
And he did. Yeah, and he bounced back and took third.
00:13:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Hey, what would you rather have a national title or an interview on Barstool?
00:13:20
Ryne
National title, what?
00:13:21
Reese
That's a dumb question.
00:13:22
Cokeley Brothers
No, that's fair.
00:13:22
Ryne
Not even close, not even close.
00:13:23
Cokeley Brothers
Sorry. Hey, but good consolation, right? Third place in an interview on Barstool, right?
00:13:29
Reese
Yeah, I mean, uh, the, uh...
00:13:29
Cokeley Brothers
Pretty solid. The reason why, not great.
00:13:33
Reese
Yeah, not great.
00:13:34
Ryne
Well, I mean, and I mean, didn't it will Compton interview him?
00:13:40
Cokeley Brothers
Was it Will? I thought it was Pat.
00:13:44
Ryne
Pat? Who's Pat?
00:13:45
Cokeley Brothers
Pat's not even on Barstool.
00:13:47
Reese
Who's Pat?
00:13:47
Cokeley Brothers
Was it? I don't know. I thought it was Pat McAfee.
00:13:48
Ryne
Who's Pat?
00:13:50
Cokeley Brothers
Now I don't know.
00:13:50
Ryne
No. No, it had to have been well comp...
00:13:51
Cokeley Brothers
Was it on Pat McAfee's show?
00:13:52
Ryne
No. No.
00:13:55
Ryne
I'm pretty sure it was... ah I'm pretty sure it was well competent. I'm pretty sure it was on bussing with the boys, wasn't it?
00:14:01
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:14:02
Cokeley Brothers
No, I don't know.
00:14:02
Reese
I don't know, but we'll conference call, so that's fine.
00:14:04
Ryne
He's leaving Barstool. That's the rumor, anyway. Him and Taylor Luan.
00:14:11
Cokeley Brothers
ah Barstool Yak.
00:14:15
Ryne
Oh, it was on the yak.
00:14:17
Cokeley Brothers
I think so.
00:14:18
Ryne
That's KB no swag.
00:14:20
Reese
Okay, that makes sense.
00:14:21
Cokeley Brothers
Well, that's probably how. Yeah, if that makes sense. Okay, yeah. I mean, Brokard, he can beat those. He can beat those best guys. He's just got to do it. Right. And that's the thing is for a while, we've been saying he can do it, but I mean, yeah, he beat Real Woods last year.
00:14:37
Cokeley Brothers
So he's done it.
00:14:38
Ryne
Personal question for you, Sammy. What's your record against Brock Hardy again?
00:14:41
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, and two. Oh, and two. Oh, and two. Teched twice, both times in the national finals. Now leave me alone.
00:14:45
Ryne
That's okay. His brother beat me once too.
00:14:47
Reese
i Thought you beat Brock Hardy It was the opposite you'd be in Barcelona Did our tool and also be you know?
00:14:47
Ryne
All right. were Oh, and no, it is, uh, artilona.
00:14:52
Cokeley Brothers
Artilona. Yes. No, Artilona beat Brock Hardy.
00:15:00
Reese
oh
00:15:00
Ryne
Yeah.
00:15:01
Reese
So Brock so what did you do?
00:15:01
Cokeley Brothers
It was, yeah.
00:15:03
Reese
Did you cow catcher? Archilona? No, you didn't
00:15:06
Cokeley Brothers
So we were, we were wrestling Greco and he kept, he would let me get an underhook and pull him into a front headlock.
00:15:07
Ryne
Stepped over on him.
00:15:09
Reese
do Kelly
00:15:12
Cokeley Brothers
And then he would, um, what's the thing? Not, not a knee tap because you can't tap the knee, but he would Kelly me.
00:15:17
Ryne
Yeah. Short fireman's Kelly.
00:15:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:15:19
Ryne
Yeah.
00:15:19
Cokeley Brothers
ah he He would hit that. And so he hit that on me like twice. And he also got a turn. So he was up 6-0. One more takedown to tech me. um And he went for the Kelly again, but I was able to slit my skinny arm out a little bit. And so he he overextended and I punched a cow catcher to pin him.
00:15:37
Ryne
Sammy was great at slipping Kelly's and pen and dudes. That's not the only guy he did that to.
00:15:41
Cokeley Brothers
ah dude i would I would do it to Jesse at and the OTC.
00:15:46
Ryne
Yeah.
00:15:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:15:48
Ryne
You were great at it.
00:15:48
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know why, cuz I had such skinny arms, I guess, I don't know.
00:15:50
Ryne
I don't know. And they were long, too, so.
00:15:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:15:55
Ryne
Longer armed guys are a little bit harder to Kelly.
00:15:56
Reese
and those hips bro can get those hips to rock why
00:15:58
Ryne
Yeah, and you're those crazy hips.
00:15:58
Cokeley Brothers
ah Those hips. All right, yeah okay, um speaking of good hips, 149 Ridge Lovett takes out Shane Van Ness, majors in 10-2. Does this feel like kind of the score does not reflect the way the match really was?
00:16:17
Ryne
One hundred percent.
00:16:18
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, good.
00:16:21
Ryne
I just felt like Van Ness, you know, kind of maybe, especially with those back points at the end, just kind of put himself in that position to try and score out of, I don't know.
00:16:35
Reese
He did but it was still six to two even without the I mean, I don't know but what's four back points, you know, like I Don't it's a it's it's Ridge doing what he does on top and you know Yeah, I think I think that match made me think that Ridge was the better guy I
00:16:35
Ryne
It just...
00:16:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's one turn. You're right. it's
00:16:48
Ryne
I know, I know. He's stingy on top and frustrates dudes and I think Van Ness just got a little frustrated.
00:16:55
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. It's possible.
00:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:17:04
Reese
i Don't know how Venice I mean obviously I think van Ness can take him down, but I don't know if he can consistently Find a way to take him down like Me neither I Can't see it He's beaten Caleb Henson before so he can 100% He can beat Caleb Henson Come on come on man
00:17:05
Cokeley Brothers
But it doesn't.
00:17:11
Ryne
ah just can't I just can't see Caleb Henson beating Van Ness.
00:17:12
Cokeley Brothers
I don't.
00:17:17
Ryne
I can't see it.
00:17:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because I don't think I don't think from this match, I think less of MS.
00:17:20
Ryne
But Ridge Lovett can't beat Caleb Henson.
00:17:25
Ryne
But he can't anymore. He can't anymore.
00:17:31
Ryne
I know. I believe you.
00:17:33
Cokeley Brothers
It's going to be, it's going to be an interesting, an interesting tree up there. And you you got to throw in Parko Parko's beaten original bit the last two times that I wrestled.
00:17:39
Ryne
every time theyrestled Every time they've time they've wrestled.
00:17:41
Cokeley Brothers
So that was BS, wasn't it?
00:17:41
Reese
Yeah, but the the the Arizona State dual man, come on like that's kind of bogus Yeah, he the stall.
00:17:47
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:17:49
Reese
He hit him for the stall call for like driving park rider.
00:17:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:17:52
Reese
He was losing to be fair You can't even blame him for the sad boy slide dude pick and top Like just the biggest bonehead decision
00:17:53
Cokeley Brothers
And then he, then he beat him on the backside after he lost in the in the semi. So it was sad boy hour. So not neither match really counts.
00:17:59
Ryne
He did take the, set he did take the sad boy slide.
00:18:02
Cokeley Brothers
He did.
00:18:06
Cokeley Brothers
No, I thought, yeah, big pop.
00:18:06
Ryne
You can't, so you can't, I mean, you can't, you're right. You can't, you can't, you're absolutely right.
00:18:16
Reese
Him and Andonian deserved semi slides.
00:18:22
Cokeley Brothers
Damn.
00:18:23
Reese
Those were just like, even though Andonian was heartbreaking, that was so sad.
00:18:27
Cokeley Brothers
That's... Dude.
00:18:29
Ryne
Heartbreaking, dude.
00:18:30
Cokeley Brothers
Ugh.
00:18:32
Ryne
Oh no.
00:18:35
Cokeley Brothers
Man.
00:18:37
Ryne
Big Bryce Andonian fans here, guys.
00:18:37
Reese
All those, dude, all those little kids out there watching him
00:18:39
Ryne
Big Bryce Andonian fans.
00:18:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. um
00:18:43
Reese
they're like oh so if you wrestle like that you'll lose and then they don't they'll it just killed probably a crit I don't know he was the best
00:18:47
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, dude, dude.
00:18:49
Ryne
We could have had a whole generation of Bryce Andonians.
00:18:55
Reese
Levi Levi just would have given in yeah
00:18:57
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, just, just let it happen. Just let it happen. You know, I was talking about two years ago now.
00:19:02
Ryne
He was pinned. The referee should have just slapped the mat.
00:19:04
Reese
well both years I guess well did he did he come close to putting him the second time
00:19:08
Ryne
Yeah. Well, yeah.
00:19:09
Cokeley Brothers
Both years?
00:19:11
Ryne
ah
00:19:14
Ryne
No.
00:19:14
Reese
they ah It was just back and forth No,
00:19:16
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:19:18
Ryne
Yeah. But I mean, it was back and forth, but you never felt like in that match that Levi was not going to win that match.
00:19:19
Cokeley Brothers
God.
00:19:25
Ryne
You know what I mean?
00:19:27
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:19:28
Ryne
Last year. Last year.
00:19:29
Reese
I what I didn't I wanted anybody in the wind He'd yeah he did I
00:19:35
Ryne
Well, he had him pinned the year before. Stuck.
00:19:39
Ryne
Like gum under a desk.
00:19:44
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right.
00:19:45
Ryne
Do you like that?
00:19:45
Cokeley Brothers
150.
00:19:46
Reese
and of That I that I was shit
00:19:46
Cokeley Brothers
That's a great one. That's, that's a really he's gone under a desk.
00:19:47
Ryne
Did you like that?
Streaming Platforms Confusion
00:19:53
Ryne
I'll tell you, I'll tell you what, boys.
00:19:53
Cokeley Brothers
That's funny.
00:19:55
Ryne
I've been watching this show on Paramount plus called land man with Billy Bob Thornton. You heard of it, Reese. Have you heard of it?
00:20:02
Reese
ah Yeah, everybody keeps telling me Medina did talk talk to me about it for like 15 minutes Yeah
00:20:02
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:20:08
Ryne
Oh my god, dude.
00:20:09
Cokeley Brothers
It's like five years.
00:20:09
Ryne
It's awesome.
00:20:12
Reese
And then he was like, oh yeah, he's like, it's on Paramount Plus, but if you have Amazon Prime, you can watch it because every Amazon Prime account has Paramount Plus.
00:20:12
Ryne
It's awesome.
00:20:21
Reese
No, wrong.
00:20:23
Ryne
Yeah, that's not correct.
00:20:23
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I hate, I hate the streaming platforms.
00:20:24
Reese
He had, he convinced me too. Like he had me fully convinced and then tried it. Nope. He was like, Oh, I I've done this with other people where they're like, no, it's not.
00:20:36
Reese
I don't have Paramount Plus. And they go to their Amazon Prime account. There it is. I was like, okay.
00:20:41
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. That's weird.
00:20:43
Reese
yeah I don't know. and you don't know either I'm not gonna bring it up though. That's for sure Yeah, what it what it what do you mean by that
00:20:47
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:20:50
Cokeley Brothers
Um, okay. Yeah. And then, and last match of this duel, K SAC takes out on trial Taylor nine to three, mostly from that initial take down.
00:20:59
Ryne
Not the last match of this duel.
00:21:03
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Oh, you're right. My bad. I thought they, sorry. Uh, one 57 K sec takes out on trial Taylor nine to three, but, but mostly from one exchange, right?
00:21:16
Ryne
One exchange that made Rhys think, one exchange that made Rhys think that he is, he is up there with, with all of the PSU grades.
00:21:16
Reese
Yeah, but it was sick. It was awesome, dude.
00:21:23
Reese
Dude, I ah thought Taylor looked really good coming out the gate. Why are you laughing at me? I still think. I don't know why.
00:21:31
Ryne
like to Cuz it's just not it's just not true yet. It's just not true yet He saw a glimpse of it I Thought with Josh Barr Yes, Josh Barr
00:21:36
Reese
Well, I saw that, dude. I saw it.
00:21:40
Cokeley Brothers
that's kind of ah That's kind of a spooky thing to see. You see it and you're like, oh, no, another one.
00:21:44
Reese
I saw like, I saw his just, Josh Barr.
00:21:52
Reese
Okay.
00:21:53
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. Both are maybes. Both of them are maybes.
00:21:57
Reese
Why Josh Barr and not K-Sack? They're both the same same age.
00:22:02
Ryne
because Josh Barr has been like a prolific point scorer this year, just putting points up, just, just, just drawing all Americans.
00:22:08
Reese
What's K-Sack's, what's his bonus? Destroying, he destroyed one All-American.
00:22:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and I'm going to give a little bit of caveat to it too.
00:22:19
Ryne
And, and another in a, in a two-time junior world medalist destroyed an all American in a two-time junior world medalist.
00:22:27
Cokeley Brothers
Junior world medalist.
00:22:28
Reese
who's the Who's that?
00:22:29
Ryne
McDaniel, is he a two-time bronze?
00:22:30
Cokeley Brothers
daniel mcdonal is a Yeah, so so like, so no, mc McDonald's McDonald's not bad to get a tech on him is you shouldn't just be like, oh, it's some shmup from Nebraska.
00:22:31
Reese
Oh.
00:22:38
Cokeley Brothers
He's tough. ah But I was also gonna say Josh bars win over beard beard also is another one of those guys where it's low floor high ceiling. So he can have bad losses.
00:22:49
Cokeley Brothers
And Josh bars not a bad loss.
00:22:50
Ryne
I just think Josh is going to keep separating himself.
00:22:51
Cokeley Brothers
like
00:22:52
Reese
You can't be making fun of me though if you think Josh Barr is one of those guys. Come on.
00:22:57
Cokeley Brothers
So
00:22:57
Ryne
He's proved all I'm saying is he's proven it more than K SAC has.
00:22:58
Reese
Unfair.
00:23:00
Reese
Well, K-Sack, what?
00:23:02
Cokeley Brothers
K-SAC take took third of the and NCAs as a true freshman, bumping up away class I.
00:23:05
Ryne
Yeah. Yes. Yes. I understand. He had a great and NCA tournament after having a bad round one. Okay. But I'm just not ready to put him in the same boat as DT Ruth.
00:23:16
Reese
That's Josh Barr.
00:23:18
Ryne
No.
00:23:20
Cokeley Brothers
you should You should be ready to put either of them in there. Neither of them have won an actual title. that's that
00:23:24
Reese
Fine, yours is... You're back, Josh Barr. I'll back K-Sack.
00:23:24
Ryne
Oh, I said, Oh, I, all I said is I think Josh bar is closer to that group than K SAC is at this time.
00:23:34
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see.
00:23:35
Reese
i Wouldn't I want to break something else up save me. What did you mean when you sent that text about k-sac?
00:23:38
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see.
00:23:42
Reese
Having success in weaker weight 149 was not week last year What what no it Austin Gomez Caleb Henson Ridge love it parko waters.
00:23:47
Cokeley Brothers
Was it not? ah This is like me waking up and thinking like.
00:23:53
Cokeley Brothers
I just.
00:23:58
Reese
I mean those are all good guys.
00:24:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and he took third in that way. Okay. I'm going to retract my statement.
00:24:04
Reese
I
00:24:04
Cokeley Brothers
You're right.
00:24:05
Reese
57 is weak.
00:24:05
Ryne
And he got, I mean, his one loss was to, ah was to an all American in the first round.
00:24:09
Cokeley Brothers
What's the Abbess, right? And then he out placed him.
00:24:10
Ryne
Yeah.
00:24:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:24:13
Cokeley Brothers
And yet he had a solid season throughout that too. Um,
00:24:13
Ryne
Yeah.
Penn State Wrestling Strength
00:24:17
Cokeley Brothers
okay. This year, Tyler case X bonus percentage 63.6.
00:24:21
Reese
Damn.
00:24:22
Cokeley Brothers
Josh bars, 90.1 or 90.9.
00:24:27
Cokeley Brothers
They're both 11 and 0.
00:24:34
Ryne
Let's go to this real quick.
00:24:34
Cokeley Brothers
that's
00:24:35
Ryne
Let's segue to this real quick. Is this the greatest PSU team or college wrestling team we've ever seen?
00:24:45
Reese
I think so. I think it's the best team I've ever seen for sure.
00:24:46
Cokeley Brothers
so the, the greatest was last year's, right?
00:24:48
Ryne
but But how do you, how do you
00:24:54
Ryne
I just think about 2013 PSU. I'm like, and I stack that team up with this team and I'm like, I'm not sure they could beat 2013 team in a duel.
00:25:04
Reese
But they were like in it with other teams though and like, so are you saying the field is just that much worse than it was back then?
00:25:14
Ryne
I am saying that there is less parody now. Yes, because PSU is hogging all of the talent. That is what I'm saying.
00:25:24
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I mean, even...
00:25:25
Reese
Didn't didn't they did they lose it they lost to Minnesota that year didn't they maybe it was That's pretty tough
00:25:30
Ryne
Probably.
00:25:31
Cokeley Brothers
Even 2014 Penn State.
00:25:31
Ryne
That's Minnesota.
00:25:32
Cokeley Brothers
2014 Penn State was Niko Megalutis, Jimmy Gillabon, Zane Rutherford, James English, Dylan Alton, David Taylor, Matt Brown, Ed Ruth, Morgan McIntosh, and then John Gingrich. That's still a really good team.
00:25:44
Cokeley Brothers
But, dude, if you look at the Penn State team right now, it's...
00:25:49
Ryne
I know they're good.
00:25:50
Cokeley Brothers
to Luke Lilladall, who is going to be top 10. Brayden Davis, who's bordering on All-American status. Bo Bartlett, title contender. Shane Van Ness, title contender. Tyler Kasich, title contender now.
00:26:01
Cokeley Brothers
Mitchell Messenbrink, standout number one. Levi Haines, right there with with the number one guy. Carter Storachi, number one. Josh Barr, All-American. Greg Kirkley, number two.
00:26:11
Ryne
I think Josh bar is going to win it.
00:26:11
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe number three.
00:26:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he just hasn't proved it yet. but like So they, I mean, there's, they're worried about not placing one guy that
00:26:21
Ryne
I think he's proven it given the weight that he's at.
00:26:25
Cokeley Brothers
he's a title contender.
00:26:26
Ryne
Yeah, it's 97 Ferrari cannon.
00:26:28
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Let me, let me, what? So you have Steven Buchanan, AJ Ferrari, Jacob Cardenas.
00:26:34
Reese
When is he? So he'll wrestle Buchanan next, right? That's his next big test.
00:26:40
Ryne
I think. Yeah.
00:26:44
Reese
Like Buchanan, Cardenas, Ferrari.
00:26:44
Ryne
Yep.
00:26:47
Reese
Those are probably the three contenders.
00:26:49
Cokeley Brothers
Those are the three that that are ahead of him now. Uh, yeah, the next duel, they have Rutgers. He'll face pause Nancy that he probably should do fine against him.
00:27:01
Cokeley Brothers
Um, and then, then he has Iowa three years ago, I think.
00:27:02
Ryne
Another all American that he gets to destroy.
00:27:06
Reese
All American from how many years ago?
00:27:08
Ryne
21.
00:27:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:27:11
Ryne
21.
00:27:11
Cokeley Brothers
Four, four years ago.
00:27:12
Reese
Four years ago.
00:27:14
Cokeley Brothers
He's not the same. The pause is not the same. Uh, then he's got, then he's got Buchanan, then Cardenas, uh, 97 that's 97 at Maryland is nobody. It's not Jackson and Smith anymore.
00:27:26
Cokeley Brothers
Ohio state, which is going to be Shumate.
00:27:30
Ryne
Yeah. Shimate.
00:27:31
Cokeley Brothers
Shumate, not a bad match. Uh, Illinois, Zach Bronigal, who has, how many losses does he have this year?
00:27:41
Ryne
I don't know, but they're all there to all good guys, aren't they?
00:27:44
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I know, I feel like he's wrestled, dude, all of the good guys. He's, okay, it's only eight and four, but like, lost to Michael Beard, Aidan Sinclair, Seth Schumet, Steven Buchanan. Those are all, and I just, I don't know.
00:28:02
Ryne
She made losses. and It's not bad, but it's not a good loss either.
00:28:06
Cokeley Brothers
Not crazy good, no.
00:28:08
Ryne
Mm hmm.
00:28:08
Cokeley Brothers
And and and then he has the all-star classic.
00:28:12
Cokeley Brothers
So five losses on the year, not as many as I thought. I i feel like I kept just seeing this guy takes out Zach Bronigal and I was like, what is happening? But maybe because I've seen it for Dan Bronigal too.
00:28:24
Cokeley Brothers
That's why.
00:28:26
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:28:27
Cokeley Brothers
Um, but yeah. Okay. ah Josh Bard. I'm not ready to put him as a title contender. I'm not. I'm not.
00:28:27
Ryne
Danny boy.
00:28:36
Reese
But you are ready to put KSAC as a title contender.
00:28:40
Cokeley Brothers
After he after TB entrell taylor. Yeah, I am that's because Probably yeah, I I dude if jacory teamer is not healthy if jacory teamer is not healthy Then your then your next best guy your next best guy It yeah ah here's the thing here's the problem race we saw it last year
00:28:44
Ryne
So does that mean, does that mean writer Downey as a title contender?
00:28:49
Reese
Probably. What? I don't know, dude. Now I'm rethinking this.
00:28:58
Reese
We got that one guy.
00:28:58
Ryne
bone.
00:29:00
Reese
Is Ryder Downey beating Larry Shapiro? I don't think so.
00:29:09
Cokeley Brothers
where if the wrong thing happens, a lot of people can beat Myers-Shapiro. So if he's locked in, nobody's gonna beat him. Teamer probably won't beat him, but he's gotta be...
00:29:20
Reese
I think um you don't think even when he's locked in you don't think k-sack will go with him I just have a hard time seeing him beat up on was what that's what maybe the yet when intro was like in on a couple of like really good attacks in k-sack like
00:29:28
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like he picks a apart everybody. When he's when he's like at I don't see people beating him.
00:29:38
Cokeley Brothers
Just the way he moves.
00:29:47
Reese
Shrunk the first one off and then frickin met skirt him in the second one for six points or whatever He like reached on the inside of the
00:29:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah I don't know.
00:29:54
Ryne
Was that a Metzger or was that an inside trip type thing, like single leg inside trip?
00:29:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he did. He did. Yeah. A little underneath the leg. Yeah.
00:30:00
Ryne
Hmm.
00:30:02
Cokeley Brothers
ah I don't know. Shapiro's got tricks in the bag. and And look, I get a little bit of Cornell glaze, but like just no nobody moves like him at the weight.
00:30:15
Cokeley Brothers
Nobody does. So. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.
00:30:21
Cokeley Brothers
And then and then you have. um
00:30:21
Reese
In my mind, it's Teamer, Shapiro, and Kasich.
00:30:24
Reese
And it's been that way. I mean, that's kind of what I think.
00:30:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and and you want it, you want to you definitely still want to keep an eye on like on trial Taylor and write her down, but yeah, you're right for now.
00:30:35
Ryne
I don't know if team is going to be ready, boys. so
00:30:38
Reese
That's no good.
00:30:39
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see.
00:30:40
Reese
Hey, I was thinking about this with Nebraska. Who was the last big guy from Nebraska, big name, to be out?
00:30:51
Reese
for injury so What was he here with?
00:30:53
Cokeley Brothers
Shane Van Ness.
00:30:54
Ryne
Jordan Burroughs.
00:30:54
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, no, Nebraska, Nebraska.
00:30:59
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:30:59
Ryne
In between his national championships, he
00:31:08
Ryne
ah Shoulder, ankle, I don't remember.
00:31:12
Reese
Anything between then and I can't think of any
00:31:14
Ryne
1-9, didn't wrestle in 10, 1-11.
00:31:20
Cokeley Brothers
You could say, you could say Liam Cronin in 2022.
00:31:25
Ryne
No, Jordan Burroughs.
00:31:26
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:31:27
Ryne
It's Jordan Burroughs.
00:31:29
Reese
That's it That's pretty impressive Yeah I guess bubba.
00:31:30
Cokeley Brothers
That's a long time ago.
00:31:34
Ryne
That's super impressive.
00:31:40
Cokeley Brothers
Out with entry is what you're saying.
00:31:42
Ryne
Mm-hmm.
00:31:44
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going back through.
00:31:45
Ryne
In season, in season or before.
00:31:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Dude, love is big in our hearts, Reese.
00:31:51
Reese
Well, they've been bumping us. Yeah Probably is bigger than our hearts.
00:31:56
Ryne
You can't come up with one.
00:31:58
Reese
Yeah
00:31:58
Ryne
There's not, ah the answer is Jordan Burroughs.
00:32:01
Cokeley Brothers
I think you're right. I think it's Jordan Burroughs.
00:32:05
Cokeley Brothers
That is, that is pretty crazy.
00:32:07
Ryne
2010.
00:32:09
Cokeley Brothers
Hey, if, if we're, if people out there, if you're still listening, if there, if there's a name we're missing from Nebraska that was injured, let us know.
00:32:16
Reese
They gotta figure out what they're doing. What are they doing?
00:32:19
Cokeley Brothers
What are they doing?
00:32:19
Reese
We gotta start asking.
00:32:23
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, in 2015, they had a 15-0 dual record.
00:32:27
Reese
Dang.
00:32:27
Cokeley Brothers
It's pretty good.
00:32:28
Ryne
Who was the last one for Penn State?
00:32:31
Cokeley Brothers
Shame on us.
00:32:32
Ryne
Ah, yep, duh. I just forget about that because of ASAC.
00:32:36
Reese
Carter Storachi, not really Storachi, but could have been if he wasn't Carter Storachi.
00:32:38
Ryne
Nah, he wasn't out for the season.
00:32:39
Cokeley Brothers
He wrestled.
00:32:44
Reese
Could have been out.
00:32:44
Ryne
Well, then you could say, could have said could you say the same for Nolf then?
00:32:48
Reese
Absolutely because he's also Jason North Yeah bad timing No
00:32:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's a good point.
00:32:59
Cokeley Brothers
um Oh, yeah.
00:32:59
Ryne
Oh yeah.
00:33:02
Ryne
Oh yeah. That's probably the one. Even though he wasn't out for the season, but he kind of was.
00:33:08
Cokeley Brothers
They couldn't finish.
00:33:11
Ryne
Bad timing.
00:33:14
Cokeley Brothers
Have you guys been seeing this handsome Tuesdays lately?
00:33:17
Ryne
No.
00:33:18
Cokeley Brothers
They're getting strange.
00:33:19
Ryne
I've never watched any of his Handsome Tuesdays.
00:33:19
Reese
What that is such an so you're saying they're getting strange as compared to like The previous ones that which were already very strange Yeah, he's I mean Even like I feel like even the people who used to like be like, oh those are great are like gather I don't want to I don't want to talk about them anymore Yeah
00:33:28
Cokeley Brothers
ah I know, I don't know how he's continuing to do it. He outdoes himself with every every new iteration.
00:33:43
Cokeley Brothers
i have I think the responses have gone radio silent. They're like, nevermind, I didn't. Okay. Um, yeah.
00:33:54
Cokeley Brothers
And then Mitchell Mesmerink close at the dual detect follow up with Bubba Wilson. I am wondering, do you guys think that there's any contention?
Wrestling Lineup Changes
00:34:02
Cokeley Brothers
Like, are they considering to use Christopher Minto at this weight?
00:34:09
Reese
i Don't think so the guy come on man.
00:34:10
Ryne
I don't think so because I mean, I like Minto.
00:34:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:34:12
Ryne
I think he will be good for them eventually, but I right now Bubba is the all American caliber guy.
00:34:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:34:20
Ryne
Mentos just not quite there yet.
00:34:24
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Yeah.
00:34:26
Reese
They won't do that wouldn't do Bubba dirty like that his senior year.
00:34:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:34:29
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. yeah okay So Nebraska is also, let's actually want to close with the Nebraska tab while we're here.
00:34:37
Reese
I
00:34:39
Cokeley Brothers
They're also the, uh, the focal point between a very weird thing that happened last week's duels with them wrestling Northern Iowa and then the, and then Minnesota.
00:34:52
Cokeley Brothers
So it was UNI versus Nebraska. And the result of that duel was a lot to a little.
00:34:58
Ryne
A lot to a little.
00:35:01
Cokeley Brothers
They lost 24 to 9.
00:35:05
Reese
Minnesota Now northern Iowa
00:35:06
Cokeley Brothers
No, to Northern Iowa. ah Trevor Anderson took out Caleb Smith, Jacob Van D1, Cale Happel beat Brock Hardy. this is a theme. Ridge Lovett beats Real Budo. Ryder Downey beats Entrell Taylor. Sudden victory reverses that result. Jack Thompson took out Minto. Lenny Pinto took out Jared Sima. Keck Eisen pinned Silas Allred. Volker won. Lance Runyon won. So Northern Iowa ran away with this duel. And then, I think two days later... um Two days? No, six days later, they wrestled Minnesota.
00:35:45
Cokeley Brothers
And they win 21 to 13.
00:35:47
Ryne
Yeah, but no, no gable, no gable.
00:35:48
Cokeley Brothers
Minnesota, which is a. Gable wrestled.
00:35:52
Ryne
Oh, he did. I thought he didn't wrestle that duel.
00:35:54
Cokeley Brothers
Gable wrestled.
00:35:55
Ryne
Oh, okay.
00:35:55
Cokeley Brothers
They had their entire starting lineup wrestle.
00:36:01
Cokeley Brothers
So Caleb Smith takes out.
00:36:01
Ryne
Maybe we over.
00:36:02
Reese
Northern Iowa is good then. This is why we're here.
00:36:04
Ryne
but No, Northern Iowa is, is a really good team.
00:36:04
Cokeley Brothers
so Yeah.
00:36:07
Ryne
I just think we, you know, we, Sammy's shocked because we really, you know, we had, we kind of had put Minnesota up there, you know,
00:36:07
Reese
Yeah.
00:36:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, Minnesota is a pretty good team.
00:36:17
Ryne
as a dual team.
00:36:25
Cokeley Brothers
I think so. There's a couple upsets in here. Minto took out Sparks. I guess this might be one thing that you would look at. And like maybe Minto does get slotted out slotted in over Bubba Wilson.
00:36:36
Cokeley Brothers
Being Andrew Sparks, that's that's a pretty good win.
00:36:39
Ryne
Yeah, but sparks, I mean, everyone talks about sparks being this guy to make the podium or whatever. I don't see it.
00:36:48
Cokeley Brothers
I saw, I've been seeing it.
00:36:48
Reese
We haven't seen it.
00:36:51
Cokeley Brothers
I've been seeing it a little bit this season and in some of his results. Um, cause he has, he has a one point match with Michael Caliendo, who the only person to be competitive with Caliendo other than Mesutbrink this year, I think is sparks.
00:37:01
Reese
That was just him being nice to a fellow ginger.
00:37:06
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:37:07
Ryne
Agreed.
00:37:09
Cokeley Brothers
Um, he did lose to Will Miller earlier this year. Will Miller's. Tough, but still. um And then, yeah, that lost to Minto. Other than that, he's had a solid season and he's he's been up and down. He was really good his freshman year and then just didn't seem like he could find his groove. I don't know. I i see Sparks doing well this year, but I could be wrong.
00:37:32
Reese
What is well podium not great.
00:37:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, podium finish. Because that's that's what he was. He looked like he was going to be a podium finishers freshman year.
00:37:42
Ryne
Pull up 65.
00:37:42
Cokeley Brothers
Um, and then I think he like blew his knee out.
00:37:45
Ryne
Pull up 65.
00:37:45
Cokeley Brothers
Pull up. Okay.
00:37:47
Reese
I mean you could do it See it
00:37:50
Ryne
Pull it up.
00:37:50
Cokeley Brothers
Uh,
00:37:54
Cokeley Brothers
okay. NCAA D1 rankings. Intermat 165. Mezenbrink, Caliendo, Peyton Hall, Baraklaw, Ramirez, Amin, Bubba Wilson, Will Miller, Andrew Sparks.
00:38:07
Ryne
Keep going.
00:38:09
Cokeley Brothers
Drake Rhodes, Braden Sculls, Tyler Lillard, Gunnar Filippowicz, Hunter Garvin, Nico Ruiz, Nick Hamilton, Cam Steed, Max Mayfield, Jack Thompson, Noah Mulvaney, Bo Maintenona, Mac Church, Luca Wick, Evan Mag.
00:38:20
Ryne
See, I think there's some, I think there are some guys that are below sparks that can skulls, for example, even though I know he did just kind of have a bad match with, uh, Caliendo, I think the world of, of skulls.
00:38:20
Reese
That was an interesting wait.
00:38:33
Cokeley Brothers
I don't.
00:38:33
Reese
But why though?
00:38:33
Ryne
Hunter Garvin, Garvin, cause he's, cause he's an, I'll tell you why, I'll tell you why right here.
00:38:35
Cokeley Brothers
I'm the opposite.
00:38:36
Reese
Yeah, I feel... yeah Is he really?
00:38:39
Ryne
I'll tell you why. Cause he's an AWA guy. That's exactly why. Yes.
00:38:43
Cokeley Brothers
I didn't know that Is he a true freshman It's a red shirt Yeah, he's 57 that sure Yeah, he so he lost to Ethan burden from Ohio State and then he got attacked by Kylie endo his
00:38:48
Ryne
I'm gonna redshirt.
00:38:48
Reese
No.
00:38:49
Ryne
He wrestled in a few duels last year. At 57, I believe. I might be wrong, actually.
00:38:55
Reese
i Don't know dude, I I mean, I don't he hasn't really I don't think he's done any anything like anything crazy to make me think that he's a 12 he's like top Who was kind of whipping his ass
00:38:56
Ryne
I might be that...
00:39:11
Cokeley Brothers
Big wins this year. He pinned Nico Ruiz. He won over by injury over Cam Steed. um And he beat Max Mayfield.
00:39:22
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I'm not there yet. Ryan, I'm not there yet. I'm going to be honest with you.
00:39:27
Ryne
Okay.
00:39:29
Cokeley Brothers
But it could definitely happen. You could definitely be right. I'm just not there yet.
00:39:31
Ryne
Let me look at Hunter Garvin last year.
00:39:33
Cokeley Brothers
Hunter Garvin.
00:39:34
Reese
Undergarment, yeah.
00:39:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, that that was going to be my name to say.
00:39:35
Reese
Bowman, maybe.
00:39:38
Ryne
Bow man.
00:39:38
Cokeley Brothers
Bowman could. He's not.
00:39:42
Ryne
Bow man.
00:39:45
Reese
Put him in there.
00:39:48
Cokeley Brothers
Hang on. Beaumont and Nona. He only has one loss this year?
00:39:55
Reese
To who?
00:39:56
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, he's only wrestled. He's only wrestled seven matches. He lost to Noah Mulvaney, who I think is out.
00:40:00
Ryne
They've been, they they've been super banged up this year.
00:40:01
Reese
Mulvaney.
00:40:05
Cokeley Brothers
or
00:40:06
Reese
Yeah, Megan is not looking great this year.
00:40:07
Cokeley Brothers
No, Mulvaney is not out either. He's he's wrestling. Where's he?
00:40:11
Ryne
and
00:40:12
Reese
Number 23 on, well, mud flow.
00:40:18
Cokeley Brothers
What weight?
00:40:19
Reese
That's 65.
00:40:22
Cokeley Brothers
He's number 23 on flow.
00:40:24
Reese
Yeah.
00:40:24
Cokeley Brothers
He's not, oh, 20. There he is. Okay. I thought he would be higher, I guess, after his year last year and the fact that he's an AWA kid. Okay.
00:40:34
Cokeley Brothers
I i don't know.
00:40:39
Reese
I think, so I think he can, it is so weird, yeah.
00:40:39
Cokeley Brothers
65 is a weird weight this year.
00:40:43
Cokeley Brothers
There's a lot of volatility after number six. in the country, which is a mean.
00:40:49
Reese
Yeah.
00:40:52
Ryne
I mean.
00:40:53
Reese
I mean, I think Garvin, you can for sure slot in there.
00:40:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, he's high and low.
00:40:58
Ryne
What about Lillard?
00:41:00
Reese
Oh yeah, what about Lillard?
00:41:01
Cokeley Brothers
Lillard could be just got to wait and see. You just never know. Hey, speaking of speaking in Indiana, the Hoosiers take out Purdue 25 to 11.
00:41:12
Ryne
like It's a Hoosier state.
00:41:15
Cokeley Brothers
Let's go. The state belongs to us.
00:41:18
Ryne
The state belongs to the Hoosiers.
00:41:20
Cokeley Brothers
I fit that might be think it might be three years in a row.
00:41:21
Ryne
Isn't that two years in a row? Three years in a row but well o is definitely a step in the right direction.
00:41:24
Reese
Ooh.
00:41:25
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's three years in a row and I'm starting to feel pretty good about it.
00:41:32
Cokeley Brothers
But now I have to have to double check that out. Because I don't want to have to eat my own words, especially if a boilermaker tries to make me make me do it.
00:41:47
Ryne
Yeah. boil your words up and make you eat them deep yeah well i've uh yeah been on it today i'm not gonna lie to you been pretty with you
00:41:48
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:41:48
Reese
Yummy.
00:41:53
Cokeley Brothers
You guys are crazy.
00:41:55
Reese
I was also trying to think of something like that. And I was like, nah, you got nothing.
00:42:05
Cokeley Brothers
ah Another thing that I noticed, have you guys realized that, or have you guys been paying attention to how many duels Little Rock has been in this year?
00:42:18
Ryne
They dueled a lot last year too.
00:42:22
Cokeley Brothers
8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. They've been in 15 duels so far this year, and they have another five on their schedule. 20 duels one year.
00:42:33
Reese
they Big, big duel guys.
00:42:35
Cokeley Brothers
That's so many duels. And then I mean, I guess the term is they go to his tiger style, jewelry, cougar, clash, Reno, TOC, and Southern Scuffle. So they do what they can to to get the duels in.
00:42:47
Ryne
Those are solid tournaments to go to.
00:42:50
Cokeley Brothers
Solid. I mean, you don't have I guess the only the the only one that you want to go to that's like, oh, that's a big tournament at this point is Cliff Keene.
00:42:52
Ryne
Cougar clash is probably like meh, but the rest of them are solid.
00:43:06
Ryne
Yeah.
00:43:08
Cokeley Brothers
OK, yes, it has been three years in a row. So suck it, Purdue.
00:43:15
Reese
eat it
00:43:17
Cokeley Brothers
And yeah, um that was that. um Okay. What other results from yesterday? Illinois, Iowa.
00:43:33
Reese
yeah Yeah It's tough one tough in the sense that it was insanely boring and
00:43:43
Ryne
I mean, typical workmen, like it was
00:43:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Illinois got two wins in this duel.
00:43:47
Reese
Workman like yeah, we're like McDonald's workmen like Hey, you know, it's on Illinois too though, it's not I just Iowa I didn't even yeah
00:43:49
Cokeley Brothers
Piscino took out writer block and Luffman took out Keeter. Put the fries in the bag.
00:44:00
Ryne
now you're right. You're right. It's just hard, you know, when you go into Carver to not wrestle that, you know, wrestle tight, I guess.
00:44:12
Reese
Think about that. Yeah, I mean one to zero I wouldn't have expected Webster Parker to be one to zero Do you remember His Fresno State Day
00:44:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:44:20
Cokeley Brothers
No, you would have expected some sort of offense.
00:44:20
Ryne
i I honestly, and I honestly, I mean, Parco has been all, I just want to get on top and turn you this year.
00:44:29
Cokeley Brothers
So weird.
00:44:30
Ryne
He has he has not been as good on his feet as he has in the past.
00:44:34
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, Fresno State, his freshman year, he was so fun.
00:44:37
Ryne
Dude, he was awesome on his feet. He should have beat Sammy Sasso.
00:44:43
Reese
It's stuff like that that makes me think no do not give these kids another year of eligibility Feels like it Yeah, that's what I feel like it's at the pressure of wrestling these younger kids dude you just feel I feel like I'm the only way I can't be losing exactly
00:44:50
Cokeley Brothers
Is that is that the trend though? Is that the trend that happens where like you are a lot of fun and then you start to to hone in to this like That sucks Like I can't I'm um' the old I'm the old buck.
00:44:56
Ryne
to tighten up. Pressure gets to you, you tighten up.
00:45:09
Cokeley Brothers
I can't lose to the to to the young bowl. Yeah Yeah, okay Uh, this tweet did also produce what I will call the tweet of the week this year.
00:45:23
Cokeley Brothers
And it is from a one Jagger. He tweeted out while no stranger to tall tasks, bird came up just a bit short.
00:45:33
Cokeley Brothers
This time should be a good rematch come March. And Hey, if you get it, you get it.
00:45:40
Reese
Yeah, that was, but, yeah, he really just was gonna send that out, win or lose, huh?
00:45:40
Cokeley Brothers
If you know, you know.
00:45:44
Reese
It would've been a lot cooler if he would've won, and he said that.
00:45:46
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah, I think he had that one preloaded.
00:45:49
Reese
He was just like, ah, he lost, oh well, I'm sending it anyway.
00:45:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:54
Reese
Man, I get it, it's funny.
00:45:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that was i I read it and I was and then I saw a response below is like, nice. And I'm like, wait, there's something to this. I have to read this again. Then I read it again. I was like, oh, that's great.
00:46:07
Reese
Funny guy!
00:46:09
Ryne
Funny guy.
00:46:09
Cokeley Brothers
The funny guy. That's a funny guy. That's a funny guy. You know, New Jersey, they're not they're not so bad.
00:46:15
Reese
No they're bad.
00:46:20
Cokeley Brothers
Um, also, uh, a little bit of groundbreaking
Women's Wrestling Milestone
00:46:26
Cokeley Brothers
things. Morgan state got their first dual win since being reinstated. And the probably the biggest news women's wrestling at the D one D two and D three level has been approved as an official sport for the NCAA. Correct. That's good. Congratulations, women.
00:46:50
Cokeley Brothers
You've won the war.
00:46:54
Ryne
We knew it was coming.
00:46:54
Cokeley Brothers
But the men were on your side. The men, the men were on your side. Let's be clear.
00:46:56
Ryne
You knew, and we knew it was coming too.
00:46:56
Cokeley Brothers
Let's be clear. We wanted it to.
00:46:58
Ryne
We knew it was coming. Honestly, I'm glad it came as as soon as it did.
00:47:00
Cokeley Brothers
We need it.
00:47:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:47:04
Ryne
I really didn't think it was going to happen for another three years to be honest.
00:47:08
Cokeley Brothers
Did you see that we're going to vote it down?
00:47:08
Ryne
It came out.
00:47:12
Ryne
That would have, yeah, that would have been a mistake on so many levels, on so many levels, that would have been a mistake.
00:47:15
Cokeley Brothers
Right. That would have been that piss of people off.
00:47:21
Cokeley Brothers
And then ah Kennedy blades celebrated that by taking her opponent and suplexing her tonight. So.
00:47:30
Cokeley Brothers
So welcome to the NCAA.
00:47:31
Reese
violent.
00:47:34
Ryne
oh man i just like it because now you know these because it was all like kind of one which just felt a little bit unfair just felt it's like well if it's gonna be this way for a while i was i was just gonna dominate they're just gonna dominate dominate dominate
00:47:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. um
00:47:53
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, it's Iowa and then everybody else, and it's going to be that way for a long, long time.
00:47:58
Ryne
But now that, now that they've made it an official sport, first of all, we're going to see, we're going to see programs blow up. I think I
00:48:07
Cokeley Brothers
Which ones?
00:48:09
Reese
You know.
00:48:11
Ryne
feel like Oki States coming next. I feel like Oki States next.
00:48:14
Cokeley Brothers
Calgary Wrestling Club?
00:48:19
Ryne
And then but I bet a bunch of mid majors will, we'll start programs. Um,
00:48:25
Cokeley Brothers
Do you think Penn State's going to do it? I feel like i feel like it's the the next obvious thing, right?
00:48:29
Ryne
So I do think that will happen eventually. I just think it's going to take time because it's kale, the perfectionist. He's going to want to do it right. He's not going to rush into something. Just be like, Oh, now that it's a sport, let's start a program. No, he's going to go, you know, bringing the right people, make sure they hire the right coaches and you know, kale, he's going to want to, he's going to want to make sure that whenever they do start a program that they're dominating Iowa right away. So.
00:48:59
Reese
Right away.
00:49:00
Cokeley Brothers
You think you think he's looking at the he's looking at the ecosystem right?
00:49:01
Ryne
I'm serious. I'm serious. um sorry yeah I mean, maybe maybe, maybe that's part of it.
00:49:03
Cokeley Brothers
I was like, I'm not starting a program. I was way too good right now It's like I do not this is how bad I don't want to lose to Iowa No No, no, no, no, no you just gotta you just gotta go you gotta to go up you gotta to go
00:49:10
Reese
I can't lose if I'm not.
00:49:13
Ryne
Not that, I mean, he's obviously not, he's obviously not going to be the coach, right?
00:49:14
Reese
If I don't play, how can I lose?
00:49:18
Ryne
But like, and you know, maybe he's like, all right, let's get this funding up so we can pull Clarissa Chun away from Iowa city.
00:49:26
Reese
Don't do that, Kale. Kale.
00:49:30
Cokeley Brothers
Who would you put in above Clarissa John? Who could you say is?
00:49:33
Ryne
Oh, you already know.
00:49:33
Reese
Helen Marulles.
00:49:34
Ryne
No false.
00:49:34
Cokeley Brothers
Oh yeah.
00:49:35
Reese
Yeah, probably probably not.
00:49:36
Cokeley Brothers
Adeline Gray.
00:49:37
Reese
Never mind. Alan Gray.
00:49:37
Ryne
Adeline gray.
00:49:39
Cokeley Brothers
Adeline Gray. Because she's already, she's been doing coaching at Wyoming Seminary, right?
00:49:40
Ryne
That's the, that's the obvious one. So if I'm David Taylor or Kale Sanderson and I'm starting programs, that's who I'm going after right away.
00:49:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Cause you gotta to have a woman.
00:49:54
Ryne
Oh yeah.
00:49:55
Cokeley Brothers
It's the appeal.
00:49:56
Ryne
Duh. Yeah.
00:49:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay.
00:49:58
Cokeley Brothers
Cause like right now, Isaac Olanek is the Calvary Wrestling Club coach.
00:49:58
Ryne
Duh.
00:50:02
Ryne
And, and, uh, I mean, I would let's have, I would does have the blueprint for it.
00:50:06
Reese
I'm gas tank Gary.
00:50:09
Ryne
Cause they got, and then they got may have as the assistant Gary may have who, you know, yeah, honestly, like that's the blueprint.
00:50:14
Cokeley Brothers
Perfect. He will, he will, he will put all the infrastructure in that you need.
00:50:21
Ryne
Big name female who, who knows wrestling can recruit. And then you, and then, yeah, and then you bring in. an old dude, not an old, doesn't have to be an old dude, but you know what I mean.
00:50:33
Cokeley Brothers
You just put an old dude in the corner and then everything is everything's good.
00:50:35
Reese
Old white guy.
00:50:37
Ryne
You put in those old white guys.
00:50:38
Reese
ah
00:50:41
Cokeley Brothers
They take care of everything for you.
00:50:42
Ryne
They just get the job done.
00:50:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, I agree with that or just somebody who's like, because it's gonna be men because the men have been the ones that have been in the coaching positions up until this point. So like you put a guy in, he's your guy in the chair, he's gonna get all of the,
00:51:03
Cokeley Brothers
things that you don't know about yet solved. But it also helps that like, oh, we're starting up a women's program. Well, hey, this is the blueprint that we've had that we've been using for for the men's program. And we have this person who's been doing it for this many years, ask them all the questions you need, and you'll get it figured out in no time.
00:51:21
Ryne
Yeah. Yep.
00:51:24
Cokeley Brothers
So when they start to see the rapid success that women's wrestling has with freestyle in the collegiate level, Do we kind of do we we pull that?
00:51:36
Reese
turn it into folks out
00:51:36
Cokeley Brothers
and to No. Opposite.
00:51:40
Reese
oh
00:51:40
Cokeley Brothers
Opposite not.
00:51:41
Reese
so
00:51:42
Cokeley Brothers
This is great. This is great. Let's let's change it.
00:51:46
Ryne
oh No, it's always going to be folk styles not going away. It's never going away.
00:51:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So this, OK. ah One more congratulations for women. and be Congratulations. But I did. This makes me want to transition into the the next thing that I was thinking about, because this is what was going on in the Twitter sphere. And Willie talked a lot about it. And you guys maybe think of change. And he was talking about it. ah National duels. And what that could look like, what it shouldn't look like.
00:52:24
Cokeley Brothers
So the first question that I'm going to have for you guys is, When should it be?
00:52:30
Ryne
I saw the November, the early, I like, uh, what about right before the Christmas break right before it.
00:52:41
Cokeley Brothers
and Okay.
00:52:42
Reese
Like it ah So what so like okay, um, what did they do in January and February then No,
00:52:44
Cokeley Brothers
Rees.
00:52:54
Cokeley Brothers
Tournaments, right? This is where you have your tournament competitions.
00:52:57
Reese
they do so we just swap dual season and like the majority of the tournaments I
00:53:03
Cokeley Brothers
That's what it's, that's what it felt like. So this is, this is what I was getting from Willie. So if he said, first of all, for those of you that are saying that you should have the NCAA dual championships, uh, six weeks before nationals, that's the dumbest thing you could ever do. Because why would you, why would you have them wrestle four ranked guys and then five ranked guys and then another five ranked guys? Like that's.
00:53:25
Cokeley Brothers
Nobody's going to want to do that. Why would you, why are you trying to mess with it? Cause it, this is, this is the truest thing that he said about it. It, the NCAA wrestling tournament is the greatest product on the planet at any time during the entire year that wrestling has.
00:53:39
Cokeley Brothers
There is nothing that is that has more eyes has more, has more, uh, like showmanship. No, no, does nothing generates that much money. I wouldn't think like don't mess with that.
00:53:52
Reese
How about, how about this? We do a 12 team playoff. Make the duels during the season matter.
00:54:04
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, when would the playoff be?
00:54:06
Reese
Well, you know, it can be six weeks before the tournament or something along those lines.
00:54:11
Reese
Then, you know, you, you three, three for the gap, for the lower seeds and only, right, two for, is that right?
00:54:17
Cokeley Brothers
If you're
00:54:19
Reese
Or my, no, no, before four.
00:54:20
Cokeley Brothers
doing the 12.
00:54:22
Reese
Four for the lower seeds and then three for the top four seeds.
00:54:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I don't know if that would work.
00:54:28
Reese
Is that better? I mean, I don't know.
00:54:30
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I do think that if there was a way
00:54:32
Reese
Or maybe we just do a top four.
00:54:35
Cokeley Brothers
If there was a way for the sport to transition over the years, like, hey, <unk> we're announcing in 2030, this is what the format's going to be. We're doing duels in the first semester and we're doing tournaments in the second semester. So.
00:54:50
Cokeley Brothers
you know, CKLV, Michigan State Open, all these other tournaments that you see in the first semester, start making your way over to the second semester, start setting up your schedules to be dual heavy on the front, tournament heavy on the back, and then just over the years, everything just moves around. That probably ends up becoming the best result. Right?
00:55:12
Reese
I don't know.
00:55:13
Ryne
it's hard to to It's hard to say.
00:55:13
Cokeley Brothers
Don't know.
00:55:15
Ryne
It's hard to say.
00:55:18
Ryne
I saw some other.
00:55:18
Cokeley Brothers
but there Are there any glaring issues with that?
00:55:22
Reese
The whole, like, the idea of, like, everybody, like, being able to uniformly move their tournaments seems hard to wrap your head around.
00:55:34
Cokeley Brothers
if If you give them half a decade to do it?
00:55:37
Reese
Maybe, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of, there's just a lot of tournaments.
00:55:39
Ryne
Yeah.
00:55:42
Cokeley Brothers
Well, I mean, I'm sure some tournaments would fall off and then then there would be some apparent holes after that. And so then people would fill in the gaps, kind of like what Soldier Salute did when Midlands didn't happen one year, but then did happen.
00:55:51
Ryne
So, I mean, here's what you do, though.
00:55:52
Cokeley Brothers
And now we have what we have.
00:55:54
Ryne
Here's what you do. You don't eliminate your open tournaments.
00:55:59
Reese
So you leave the hours alone.
00:56:01
Ryne
Leave the open tournaments alone. Let them have the open tournaments whenever they want. First semester, second semester, doesn't matter. You don't you just don't don't touch those. ah Your invites, you save your invites for a second semester.
00:56:13
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay. Do you still have opens during the second semester?
00:56:19
Ryne
Yeah, like I said, have opens whenever you want.
00:56:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay. Opens or whenever? Yeah.
00:56:22
Ryne
Yeah.
00:56:25
Ryne
So, but does this, now my question to you guys is, does this, I mean, we're talking strictly D one here, right?
00:56:26
Cokeley Brothers
Good.
00:56:31
Ryne
Cause like, I don't see any reason why this needs to even trickle down to D two, D three, Juco.
00:56:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:56:38
Ryne
And I, I mean, I just don't, I just feel like those, those seasons are good the way they are.
00:56:39
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:56:44
Ryne
I mean, we got a national duels of nationals and.
00:56:45
Cokeley Brothers
No, i I think the biggest, I think the biggest push for an NCAA dual championship, because at the end of the year, you know who the best dual team is most of the time. and And maybe that's just because Penn State is what they are right now.
00:56:55
Ryne
Yeah.
00:56:57
Cokeley Brothers
But so it's not, it's not people are saying, trying to say like, Oh, who's the best? Because you do want to kind of find that out in football and basketball, because it's kind of hard to tell. ah you You want the the the fanfare.
00:57:10
Cokeley Brothers
this the sportsmanship. You want you want the the the event, because you can if you want to talk about being able to hype something up, wouldn't that be great?
00:57:12
Ryne
Yeah.
00:57:21
Reese
oh Yeah, it'd be awesome So what kind of like format are you saying for like how many matches are these guys getting in these dual in this like dual championship Yeah for sure
00:57:22
Ryne
yeah
00:57:23
Cokeley Brothers
So I think that's the greatest payoff for it. And then you see, number one team versus number two team, especially in a very competitive year, that can be so much fun.
00:57:39
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know because cause there's going to have to be a conference element to it. So I don't know if they're going to be doing, if they're going to do it the way like football does it where they're doing rankings every week.
00:57:51
Cokeley Brothers
And, and so you run from that and then you take the top five conference champs and then fill it in from there.
00:57:57
Reese
I think that's a great way to do it.
00:57:59
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if you want to do a 12 man playoff bracket or I don't know. I don't know how you want to make it look. I really don't. But there's so many ideas that they could play around with. And that's the thing is find something that's. You can't say the most entertaining because you want like pretty entertaining, but within reason for the athlete, because that's going to be the thing that you receive the most pushback for. ah And then from there. Run with it. I mean, I don't know if you're going to be looking at like having more multi dual day event type things, right? Like what like what you see with what German does and the
00:58:37
Cokeley Brothers
the the like the mid-major NWCA collegiate duels.
00:58:44
Reese
I mean heck they could do it, you know, they could do like if they did like a 12-team thing They could do exactly what football does and you know every week or so do it Why Well,
00:58:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:51
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think they could space it out that much.
00:58:55
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think we have that much time.
00:58:57
Reese
we have more well yeah I mean and we don't have more time than football but we have a pretty close, you know We're pretty close to having a similar amount of time.
00:59:03
Cokeley Brothers
Right, like it would bleed over into like the tournament season, wouldn't it?
00:59:09
Reese
Oh If you're doing it that way, yeah, I was just thinking like leave if you left the schedule leave the scheduling alone and just have it somewhere in the like mid february well it's already what do you mean it's already split up are you saying split the two two championships why
00:59:12
Cokeley Brothers
That it leads into the.
00:59:19
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if that would work. I think you got to I think you have to split the season up. I think you have to. Like duels in duels in the first season or in the first semester.
00:59:34
Cokeley Brothers
tournament in the second semester, that type of splitting. It just feels like if you put every, if you put, if you have like this very hyped NCAA dual championship happen, and then with like within a month or a month and a half later, you have NCAA, it just feels like a lot all at once.
00:59:54
Cokeley Brothers
it ah I don't know.
00:59:54
Reese
I think that'd be pretty cool.
00:59:59
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if that would work. I don't know. And we're losing Ryan, so we might have to move on.
01:00:04
Ryne
No, I just saw i'm I'm trying to find a tweet. I'm listening, and but I'm trying to find some tweets, too. I can't remember who I saw tweet this, but.
01:00:09
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:00:13
Ryne
I did see some kind of out there ideas. Oh, here it is. I found it.
01:00:18
Cokeley Brothers
but
01:00:19
Ryne
It is. It's Scott Green.
01:00:21
Cokeley Brothers
Ah.
01:00:22
Ryne
He had some out there ideas for to incentivize participation.
01:00:29
Cokeley Brothers
So where they is out there is your ideas?
01:00:31
Ryne
All right, you want me to read it?
01:00:33
Cokeley Brothers
Go for it.
01:00:37
Ryne
I'll just read the whole tweet in its entirety. Make the regular season matter. Incentivize participation. National duels, both teams that make finals, qualify all 10 weights for NCAA individual championships.
01:00:48
Cokeley Brothers
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
01:00:50
Ryne
champs that
01:00:50
Reese
That's out there for sure. That's much more out there.
01:00:51
Cokeley Brothers
that That is about as out there as as your shit was.
01:00:54
Reese
That's where that's worse.
01:00:55
Ryne
chi Champs at cliff keen Southern scuffle and Midlands qualify as well.
01:00:56
Reese
Oh wait.
01:01:01
Ryne
Remaining spots allocated at end of the year. Conference tourneys there. I fixed it. What did he fix?
01:01:07
Cokeley Brothers
What do you have?
01:01:08
Ryne
Cause you know what you did?
01:01:09
Cokeley Brothers
I'm lost.
01:01:10
Ryne
Cause you know what you did. You killed my conference tournament.
01:01:14
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
01:01:14
Ryne
You killed the conference tournaments.
01:01:16
Cokeley Brothers
which is Which is the second best thing.
01:01:20
Ryne
Pretty much big tenses.
01:01:21
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe not. But close. Big 10 is great. I don't know if it's better than CKLV though.
01:01:29
Reese
It's better.
01:01:30
Ryne
Some years, some years, some years.
01:01:30
Reese
Well, maybe not some years it is. Yeah last year. It was not Yeah That heavyweight, I mean you know you haven't seen a heavyweight bracket like that
01:01:34
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, CKLV was pretty good this year too.
01:01:36
Ryne
God, that year in Madison was amazing.
01:01:40
Cokeley Brothers
It was that personal experience though.
01:01:41
Ryne
No.
01:01:44
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, was with Adam Kuhn, right?
01:01:45
Ryne
Heavyweight. And I am, I am totally mount most attributing most of it to the heavyweight bracket.
01:01:52
Cokeley Brothers
I forgot about that year.
01:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
That was good, you're right.
01:01:58
Ryne
God, it was a good year.
01:01:59
Cokeley Brothers
Even though I wasn't very involved at that point, so.
01:02:05
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, well, again, just a topic that comes up every single year and Just always gets recycled over and over again.
01:02:12
Ryne
But yeah, the, ah I mean, I automatically, I kind of like that too.
01:02:17
Reese
I've completely sold myself on doing it just like college football does. i I'm or do they still have that?
01:02:26
Ryne
What I really like to see is, I mean, yeah, just how many conferences do we have?
01:02:28
Cokeley Brothers
We have the big 10.
01:02:37
Ryne
What are our conferences? Big 10, big 12, ACC,
01:02:38
Cokeley Brothers
we have the big ten
01:02:43
Ryne
and But now the, e yeah, but they, they've, they've split though. Ivy league is like their own.
01:02:47
Cokeley Brothers
the IWA and Ivy league.
01:02:49
Ryne
They're like their own thing.
01:02:49
Cokeley Brothers
We still have the pack 12 right now and we have the Mac, but the pack 12 will probably go away. So six.
01:02:55
Ryne
All right. So here's the thing if.
01:02:56
Cokeley Brothers
but No, so con seven.
01:02:56
Reese
It's so calm it's so yeah Yeah for sure, I mean they consolidate another sports too, it's not like it's a crazy thing chip yeah Not really i
01:02:59
Cokeley Brothers
So six, seven.
01:03:01
Ryne
Listen, we need to consolidate then.
01:03:08
Ryne
No, yeah.
01:03:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's just tough.
01:03:11
Ryne
Let's, I mean, even just, even just a five, even just a five.
01:03:17
Reese
You got your your major, you know, you can you can pretty much say For sure at this point right now. There's three major conferences Big twelves big tens and ACC's right And then And I say you just include one more after that maybe another one, I don't know
01:03:31
Cokeley Brothers
Big 10s, big 12s, and ACCs.
01:03:33
Ryne
one hundred percent
01:03:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:03:35
Ryne
100%. 100%.
01:03:37
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because the EIWA falls off with losing the Ivy League.
01:03:46
Ryne
ah but at most five.
01:03:47
Reese
and most five
01:03:48
Ryne
But five makes it, then it gets hard.
01:03:51
Reese
Yeah.
01:03:51
Ryne
Like what? And then you and then you do what? Top, yeah. See, five makes it hard. Four would be perfect.
01:03:59
Ryne
Top three in each four.
01:03:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:04:02
Ryne
Qualify for dual championships.
01:04:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, but then you then you'd have some complainers Yeah All right, I want to I want to move on We've got some
01:04:04
Reese
Then can start getting some conference play, some power some power play, or you know some power moves and in conferences.
01:04:11
Ryne
I like that.
01:04:12
Reese
I like it too.
01:04:13
Ryne
I like that.
01:04:13
Reese
I like it.
01:04:16
Ryne
That's what I think. Yeah, consolidate down to four. Yeah, I like it. Let's do it. Give us the keys.
01:04:28
Reese
Yeah, we figured it out.
01:04:30
Cokeley Brothers
We've got some senior, we've got some senior level wrestling.
01:04:30
Reese
Sorry Scott.
01:04:32
Cokeley Brothers
Who's Scott?
01:04:33
Ryne
Green.
01:04:33
Reese
Scott Green.
01:04:35
Cokeley Brothers
ah Sorry, Scott.
01:04:36
Ryne
Your ideas suck.
01:04:36
Cokeley Brothers
ah We've got some senior level wrestling results from the Henry.
01:04:39
Ryne
Just kidding, Scott.
01:04:43
Cokeley Brothers
Henry Deglane, Deglane, Deglani.
01:04:47
Cokeley Brothers
From the Henry out and out in France. Nice France, nice France.
01:04:53
Ryne
i don't want to take I don't want to take anything away from anybody, but that tournament seems to be getting worse and worse.
01:04:53
Cokeley Brothers
spen and
01:04:59
Cokeley Brothers
It's not getting better. ah We did pretty well. Spencer Lee got gold.
01:05:04
Ryne
Pretty well?
01:05:06
Cokeley Brothers
ah Let me, let me talk.
Spencer Lee's Dominance
01:05:08
Cokeley Brothers
Spencer Lee got gold, winning 50-0 against all of his opponents.
01:05:09
Reese
Whoa wait pretty well Did we have any big wins
01:05:13
Ryne
Pretty well?
01:05:14
Cokeley Brothers
Nashon Garrett took gold. He teched all of his opponents. Killian Delaney took bronze. Yeah, yeah, Thomas took silver. Lost to Ibrahim Voleev.
01:05:28
Cokeley Brothers
Quincy Monday took silver, lost to Chairman Veliev. Kennedy Monday took gold. Chance Marsova took gold. Mike Machiavella took gold. Jordan Wood took bronze.
01:05:39
Cokeley Brothers
ah
01:05:46
Cokeley Brothers
Zelomkan Kijev, Kennedy Monday beating him, would be the biggest one.
01:05:51
Reese
Sounds familiar.
01:05:53
Ryne
Kennedy Monday is back, boys.
01:05:57
Cokeley Brothers
He's dressing for France.
01:05:58
Reese
Oh, is that the French? That's a French guy. Yeah, he's this is's the guy who got headlocked.
01:06:02
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, he's old, isn't he?
01:06:03
Reese
Yeah.
01:06:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he's 30.
01:06:04
Ryne
Yeah, he's the guy that got headlocked in Vegas.
01:06:08
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I mean, not not a bad result. He beat him 13 to 9.
01:06:12
Ryne
God, it was gnarly, that headlock. You can't, I just...
01:06:15
Reese
Yeah, so from a mile away, you could see that thing coming.
01:06:18
Ryne
You can see it coming, you're like, oh no, boom.
01:06:22
Cokeley Brothers
No. If Quincy Monday had found a way to beat Sherman Valiev, that would have been a pretty insane win.
01:06:28
Reese
Yeah, what was the score to that?
01:06:30
Cokeley Brothers
He got teched 12 to 2.
01:06:33
Reese
Getting attacked by a guy like chairman believe who doesn't even like to score points. That's not good He would make the final probably made the finals maybe
01:06:43
Cokeley Brothers
Damn.
01:06:45
Ryne
oh
01:06:47
Cokeley Brothers
No, but he should he should have been in the finals at the Olympics. Well, not the finals necessarily, but...
01:06:56
Cokeley Brothers
Probably.
01:06:58
Ryne
Spencer Lee didn't have a match last more than 38 seconds.
01:07:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he beat he beat Ben Tarek, Gaspard Chenu, Syed Jamsidi, Giuseppe Ray, and Thomas Epp.
01:07:13
Reese
No, that didn't sound like any caucus.
01:07:15
Cokeley Brothers
No, um Morocco, France, Switzerland, Ecuador, and Switzerland.
01:07:20
Reese
What the heck, man?
01:07:24
Reese
Where is this disturbance in France, yeah?
01:07:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's in France.
01:07:26
Ryne
Nice.
Upcoming Wrestling Events
01:07:29
Cokeley Brothers
It's in France, but I'm going to use this as a pivot. You guys have fallen for my my trap card. ah Flow Wrestling is is hosting a ah card, a senior level card.
01:07:37
Reese
Drats.
01:07:44
Cokeley Brothers
And I'm trying to find the list of matches, but we know of at least one
01:07:47
Reese
um
01:07:51
Ryne
I know of two, three, four, I can name them all for you right now. Are you ready?
01:07:54
Cokeley Brothers
I can, I can, I can name four. Yes.
01:07:57
Ryne
I can name them all without even looking.
01:07:57
Cokeley Brothers
Go, go ahead, Ron.
01:07:59
Ryne
All right.
01:07:59
Cokeley Brothers
Go ahead.
01:08:00
Ryne
Spencer Lee. Oh, no. Massa news. Gay.
01:08:04
Reese
so close
01:08:07
Ryne
That's how you say it. How do you say it, Sam?
01:08:08
Cokeley Brothers
Masanosuke.
01:08:09
Ryne
Oh, what did I say?
01:08:11
Cokeley Brothers
Masanosuke.
01:08:12
Ryne
Oh, my bad. um Brooks Zaheed. DeSanto Gross. Thomas Gilman Ortega.
01:08:26
Ryne
Oh, that one's not happening at that event. Where's that one happening at?
01:08:28
Cokeley Brothers
Not at that event, that's after the Iowa State, ah Oklahoma State duel.
01:08:31
Ryne
That's right. That's right. So i'm I've got three. I'm missing one.
01:08:40
Ryne
Man, I can't think of it.
01:08:41
Reese
David Carr and Takatami.
01:08:41
Ryne
Nope. Oh yeah. David Carr and Takatani. That's what it is.
01:08:45
Cokeley Brothers
Daiji.
01:08:45
Reese
I don't know what you're doing.
01:08:45
Ryne
I don't, I don't know what this was.
01:08:45
Reese
What are you doing there? Yeah.
01:08:47
Ryne
and me He did the Kamehameha.
01:08:48
Cokeley Brothers
He did that at the Olympics with Kyle Dake, you know, he did the Kamehameha.
01:08:51
Reese
I don't even remember that.
01:08:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, with Kyle Dake. Wow.
01:08:56
Ryne
Or the Haruken? Which one was it? Which one did he do?
01:08:58
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know, I don't know, i it was just a picture, I didn't see it, so.
01:09:01
Reese
It was Goku.
01:09:03
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, so the I mean, Spencer Lee, no, I don't even know, I don't know, I'm excited about that one, you think so?
01:09:14
Reese
Spencer Lee, dude.
01:09:16
Ryne
that happening Is that happening at 61 or a catchweight?
01:09:16
Reese
That's all Spencer.
01:09:20
Cokeley Brothers
Probably a catch weight or 61, I would guess.
01:09:27
Cokeley Brothers
also So what I meant by that? what ah What I know, what I think I know is that it's not happening at 57.
01:09:31
Ryne
i I thought it, I heard, I thought I heard it was happening at 61 kilograms, but then someone else told me that flow wrestling said it's going to be at a catch weight.
01:09:44
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think it when it was resting 57.
01:09:45
Ryne
well No way.
01:09:49
Cokeley Brothers
And so because of that, Yes, catch, wait, if not, then 61. But here's the thing. 57 to 61, that's not a huge margin. It's 25 to 33.
01:10:00
Cokeley Brothers
So wherever it happens, it happens. It's not a big deal either the way. Unless they're going above that, are they going to 63 kilos?
01:10:05
Ryne
No, no, no, no. That would not be a catchweight, Sam.
01:10:10
Cokeley Brothers
What has that done?
01:10:11
Ryne
It's not a catchweight.
01:10:11
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, it catches in between, isn't it?
01:10:13
Ryne
Yeah.
01:10:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. OK, OK, OK. Not bad. Super excited about that. um Sahid Valencia, Aaron Brooks, a rematch of one of the more controversial matches from last Olympic trials.
01:10:29
Cokeley Brothers
Very excited about that.
01:10:30
Reese
When does this happen?
01:10:32
Cokeley Brothers
February 26th.
01:10:33
Ryne
That one is also, is that one also happening at a catch weight?
01:10:33
Cokeley Brothers
So we have.
01:10:33
Reese
Oh, that's so far away.
01:10:38
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:10:39
Ryne
Brooke said he's never going, Brooke said he's never going 86 kilos or kilograms again.
01:10:39
Cokeley Brothers
I don't have any.
01:10:44
Cokeley Brothers
Well, and um I mean, we know that he Valencia likes to eat, so. Probably 90 kilos or something like that.
01:10:50
Ryne
ah Probably 92. It'll probably be 92.
01:10:52
Cokeley Brothers
Just 92 flat.
01:10:54
Ryne
Yeah, probably.
01:10:54
Cokeley Brothers
Is he he is. He's wrestling 86 like.
01:11:00
Ryne
Yeah, but he's also wrestled 92 before.
01:11:02
Cokeley Brothers
I know, but he's resting 86 like in a couple of weeks.
01:11:05
Ryne
Oh, all right, maybe 90.
01:11:06
Cokeley Brothers
At the at the. Good God, what tournament is coming up?
01:11:10
Reese
Here we go.
01:11:11
Cokeley Brothers
No. Is it the Dan Colab?
01:11:16
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. He's wrestling. 86 at some tournament, and I think Chance Marcello is going to be there too.
01:11:24
Ryne
So I had, I had read that grow or not gross.
01:11:24
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:11:28
Ryne
DeSanto was supposed to be wrestling Austin Gomez.
01:11:32
Cokeley Brothers
I'm sure that might have been in the works.
01:11:33
Ryne
domez Did did Gomez just not, he was like, no, I'm not doing it or?
01:11:39
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:11:39
Reese
Scared money.
01:11:40
Cokeley Brothers
I don't and' have the scoop on that one.
01:11:42
Reese
Definitely doesn't make money in that situation.
01:11:42
Ryne
Whoa.
01:11:43
Cokeley Brothers
Don't priest don't say that.
01:11:44
Ryne
a
01:11:44
Reese
You definitely don't make any money.
01:11:45
Cokeley Brothers
Don't say that, Rhys.
01:11:49
Cokeley Brothers
wow commanders beat the lions 45 to 31 dude i'm i feel it dude dane campbell is my hero
01:11:50
Ryne
I ah hope he hears it.
01:11:50
Reese
I'm so, dude, I'm so like, you know, I'm so, uh, confident and, uh, you know, just willing to say whatever behind this, behind this screen.
01:11:53
Ryne
I hope he hears this.
01:11:59
Reese
and
01:12:03
Reese
Oh, no, that's sad, dude. I feel bad for them.
01:12:10
Ryne
I don't, he actually, yep.
01:12:13
Reese
I do, I love Jayden Daniels though.
01:12:13
Ryne
Now I feel bad.
01:12:15
Reese
Jayden Daniels is, I mean, yeah.
01:12:17
Ryne
He's the man cute. Hey, rookie of the year. Like, like not even close, not even close.
01:12:22
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I'm trying to find...
01:12:25
Reese
It's pretty crazy though.
01:12:26
Cokeley Brothers
I thought... I thought Bash put out a graphic for the guys that are going to the... to the thing.
01:12:34
Ryne
Wap, shout out, shout out my buddy Wap, Juan Carney. He said it. He goes, if, uh, Jayden Daniels makes the Superbowl, it's the greatest rookie QB season of all time.
Rising Stars and Historical Matches
01:12:45
Reese
Is that true would that be true right, then I take his word for it
01:12:47
Ryne
I mean, I, Hey, he's, he's my football guy. He's the football guy. So if he says it, it's true.
01:12:53
Cokeley Brothers
He's the guy. He's the guy.
01:12:56
Ryne
He's the guy where his wrestling guys, he's our football guy.
01:13:02
Cokeley Brothers
He's the guy we and we take his money at the end of the year. He's.
01:13:09
Cokeley Brothers
We take his money and we run.
01:13:12
Ryne
Oh geez.
01:13:13
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, I cannot. I cannot find what I was looking for, but I'm pretty sure that he's wrestling 86 before that. But anyway. David Carr, Daichi Takatani.
01:13:25
Cokeley Brothers
I don't even know. I don't know what to think. I don't know what to expect here because this is right.
01:13:29
Reese
I like Carr in this matchup. Dude, I like the Americans in like all the matchups.
01:13:30
Cokeley Brothers
This the style matchup.
01:13:35
Cokeley Brothers
Well, there's only two.
01:13:36
Reese
All right, I like them in both then.
01:13:41
Cokeley Brothers
I'm still a dude because I i think if Ohno gets on top, I'm scared.
01:13:45
Reese
I don't know.
01:13:46
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
01:13:48
Reese
I don't know, especially he's kind of different.
01:13:49
Cokeley Brothers
Who does he not gut?
01:13:53
Reese
I mean, he's been gutted before though, hasn't he? He's not gonna get gutted out though.
01:13:56
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like somehow I don't want him to, here's what I don't want to happen. I don't want him to tear an ACL defending this guy.
01:14:02
Reese
ah Be it feels like that'd be hard to do
01:14:04
Cokeley Brothers
but I don't know.
01:14:04
Ryne
Yeah, how can you ah can you tear and how can you tear an ACL if you don't have any?
01:14:05
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he's going to, I don't know if he's going to post his leg out to like, try and stop the gut somehow. And then there goes the ACL. I just, I want him to keep those ligaments safe.
01:14:14
Ryne
How do you tear an ACL if there aren't any left to tear?
01:14:19
Cokeley Brothers
Is that what is to prepare for this match. I tore both my ACLs. So I knew that it couldn't happen. That's, that's the new. preparation for him.
01:14:26
Ryne
a
01:14:27
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, yeah, and then to Santo Giuseppe Gross, which we've seen before.
01:14:27
Ryne
What?
01:14:30
Cokeley Brothers
Have we only seen before one time?
01:14:33
Reese
in folk style, but what we've seen it in folk style too.
01:14:33
Ryne
what
01:14:34
Cokeley Brothers
No, Faux Freestyle.
01:14:37
Cokeley Brothers
I don't care about that.
01:14:38
Ryne
I've thought we've seen it at least twice in freestyle. I think they're one and one.
01:14:42
Cokeley Brothers
I know of one. I can't. They're one on one.
01:14:45
Ryne
I think they're one and one in freestyle.
01:14:46
Cokeley Brothers
It probably says something about it in this article. Met three times during the NCAA season. Uh,
01:14:59
Cokeley Brothers
c
01:15:02
Cokeley Brothers
I don't see anything on here.
01:15:03
Reese
See they care, they care about Folkstyle.
01:15:06
Cokeley Brothers
They do.
01:15:09
Cokeley Brothers
ah
01:15:12
Cokeley Brothers
But they say it's a rematch and not a rubber match, which makes me think that they've only wrestled once.
01:15:17
Ryne
Okay.
01:15:19
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:15:20
Ryne
1 and 0 to Santo.
01:15:22
Cokeley Brothers
1-0 to Santo.
01:15:23
Reese
One to zero or he's, he's
01:15:26
Cokeley Brothers
Gross and DeSanto have met before any freestyle match. Does Santo wanna close 5-4 bout in the semi-finals of the 2023 US Open? Yep, okay, that's it.
01:15:35
Reese
You're predicting him to win one to zero.
01:15:35
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:15:37
Reese
Is that what you're saying?
01:15:37
Ryne
No, I said, I was saying 1 and 0.
01:15:38
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, no, I'm saying Gross or DeSanto is up in the freestyle series one to zero.
01:15:46
Ryne
That's what I was saying.
01:15:46
Cokeley Brothers
I will not, if I were to say this person's gonna win or this person's gonna lose, i'm mean I would guess I'd put my money on Gross.
01:15:49
Reese
No Winning or losing no Yeah, they're there on the come up
01:15:57
Cokeley Brothers
Winning.
01:15:58
Ryne
Where's Gross even training?
01:16:00
Cokeley Brothers
Wisconsin, I don't know.
01:16:01
Ryne
Oh, yeah, that makes me real confident.
01:16:03
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:16:06
Ryne
Only because they've hit rock bottom.
01:16:10
Reese
That's right, nowhere to go.
01:16:10
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:16:14
Reese
Roasted.
01:16:15
Ryne
Oh, my goodness.
01:16:15
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:16:16
Reese
Nobody is safe.
01:16:17
Cokeley Brothers
Seth Gross feels like the type of guy where you don't really need to give him much to train because he'll just go out there and do what he does no matter what.
01:16:27
Reese
It's true, he does his duties.
01:16:28
Cokeley Brothers
Right? Have we ever seen it? Have we ever been like, man, Seth Gross looks off?
01:16:33
Reese
Oh yeah, I think so.
01:16:34
Cokeley Brothers
When?
01:16:35
Ryne
yeah
01:16:36
Cokeley Brothers
When?
01:16:37
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, when?
01:16:37
Ryne
Yes.
01:16:38
Reese
I don't know, but but it's been heads happened.
01:16:38
Cokeley Brothers
I've never looked at, I've never watched Seth Gross wrestle and be like, man, he's off. No, I just watched him wrestle like Matt Seth Gross.
01:16:44
Reese
It's happened. He got teched by, what's this? Carter Young? Yeah.
01:16:44
Ryne
Whenever he got, whenever he got beat by Carter Young, yeah, when he got attacked by Carter Young, I was like, Oh no.
01:16:49
Cokeley Brothers
a
01:16:51
Ryne
But then Carter Young did kind of rattle off a bunch more wins.
01:16:51
Cokeley Brothers
That
01:16:54
Ryne
So it's kind of like, Oh, maybe it wasn't Seth.
01:16:57
Reese
he's He's had some weird like backside losses.
01:17:00
Ryne
Yeah, he does. I mean, yeah, he has.
01:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
Well, there's no backside in this card, so.
01:17:04
Ryne
Yes.
01:17:07
Reese
He'll be ready.
01:17:08
Cokeley Brothers
What did they say?
01:17:09
Reese
to win or lose.
01:17:09
Cokeley Brothers
And to kick us off for the backside of this card, Seth Gross is like, ah, shit. Never mind. I forfeit.
Top NCAA Wrestling Seasons
01:17:18
Cokeley Brothers
OK.
01:17:21
Cokeley Brothers
Is that all I have? I had another thing, but we're an hour and 15 into this. And the last thing that I had is not it's not something quick. I'm going to do it anyway.
01:17:34
Cokeley Brothers
I'm sorry. So earlier this week, John Lowe asked me to do something. He asked me, give me your top three in the last decade.
01:17:44
Cokeley Brothers
Give me your top three individual NCAA seasons. And then also give me in the last decade, your top three NCAA careers.
01:17:54
Cokeley Brothers
So I did it.
01:17:54
Ryne
Well, that's, we're going to have to save that because I got to do some hard thinking.
01:17:54
Reese
What?
01:17:59
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:18:01
Cokeley Brothers
You guys better do some homework and come back.
01:18:01
Reese
One more time.
01:18:03
Ryne
Oh, no.
01:18:03
Cokeley Brothers
So he asked me, he asked me, I'm trying to find it so I can tell you guys, uh, what I said, or should I hold on to it?
01:18:17
Ryne
Hold the door.
01:18:17
Cokeley Brothers
What do you want?
01:18:18
Ryne
How do I.
01:18:19
Reese
Oh, no.
01:18:19
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. So best in ah and the last, in the last decade, best single season, top three best single seasons from wrestlers. So like, you can say like Jason Knolf 2017.
01:18:32
Cokeley Brothers
Like that's, you can say that. And then in the last decade, best, taught your top three careers. So all their entire NCAA wrestling.
01:18:42
Ryne
Decade, man.
01:18:42
Reese
okay
01:18:43
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hang on, hang on, hang on. In the last decade, but also not best. He asked for specifically most dominant.
01:18:43
Ryne
Decade.
01:18:52
Reese
Okay Well, that's like a statistic thing right Yeah
01:18:56
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, he can be mostly, but you also have to take into account the quality of competition and all that.
01:18:59
Reese
for all of them top three
01:19:01
Ryne
Zane Rutherford.
01:19:04
Reese
yeah for all of them
01:19:04
Cokeley Brothers
For single season? For single season?
01:19:07
Ryne
Single season, career.
01:19:07
Reese
top three
01:19:09
Ryne
I mean, dude, the dude was so dominant.
01:19:11
Cokeley Brothers
All right, all right, I'm gonna give, I'm giving mine then. I'm giving but what I had. So for single season, I had and at number one, Zane Rutherford from 2017. Number two, Gable Steveson, 2021. Number three, Spencer Lee, 2021. Honorable mentions go to Alex Deringer in 2015, Jason Nolfen 2017, and Bo Nickel in 2019. Now for career.
01:19:34
Cokeley Brothers
Number one, most dominant career in the last decade. Spencer Lee. Number two, Gable Steveson. Number three, Jason Knoll. Honorable mention to Zane Rutherford, Yanni, Jack Mahals, and Kyle Snyder.
01:19:46
Reese
showing time out on your number one can they really I mean he's got quite a few losses in there P
01:19:46
Ryne
I don't, I don't know if I can put Spencer Lee up there.
01:19:51
Cokeley Brothers
I think the numbers can back me up a little bit.
01:19:56
Ryne
Probably. Probably.
01:19:59
Cokeley Brothers
Because I, but
01:20:03
Ryne
He's got a bunch of, he's got quite a few. He got pinned twice in his career.
01:20:10
Reese
and
01:20:11
Ryne
Pinned.
01:20:15
Ryne
Pinned.
01:20:17
Reese
pi brow He his mom money with those glasses, bro.
01:20:18
Ryne
p n Pinned.
01:20:19
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, no, no, this is-
01:20:25
Ryne
Five whole dollars.
01:20:28
Cokeley Brothers
Those glasses were definitely more than $5.
01:20:31
Ryne
You think so? I think there's, I think they're just readers.
01:20:35
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
01:20:35
Ryne
The way she crumbled them, they look like just readers to me.
01:20:35
Cokeley Brothers
i What is, why is she trying to read the wrestling match?
01:20:41
Ryne
I don't know.
01:20:45
Ryne
Blue light glasses.
01:20:45
Cokeley Brothers
ah
01:20:46
Ryne
Is that better?
01:20:48
Cokeley Brothers
No, I- I don't know, you might be right. But so what I looked at, because I took a look at the numbers.
01:20:55
Ryne
I mean, i don't get me wrong. i'll put him I'll put him in the top three. I'm just not ready to give him number one.
01:21:00
Reese
Who's number one though? That's what I was trying to I feel like that top three is Gable really that's surprising to me.
01:21:03
Ryne
It's gotta be Gable.
01:21:09
Reese
I guess not really I was thinking from like bonus percentage
01:21:13
Cokeley Brothers
So this is where I start to have a little bit of an argument. So let me pull up all of the Russell stats. Zane Rutherford's career record 125 and 3.
01:21:24
Cokeley Brothers
Win percentage 97.66. Bonus percentage 75.87. That's pretty good.
01:21:30
Ryne
That.
01:21:31
Cokeley Brothers
That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Gabel Stevenson. Career record 87 and 2.
01:21:36
Reese
That was Rutherford.
01:21:37
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, yes. Career record 87 and 2. Win percentage 97.75. Bonus percentage 73.92. So
01:21:37
Ryne
Yes.
01:21:46
Reese
You know, he's got a better percentage than both of those.
01:21:50
Ryne
Jason off.
01:21:50
Cokeley Brothers
Spencer Lee, Spencer Lee, Spencer Lee went 98 and six 94% win percentage and 81.7 bonus percentage.
01:21:51
Reese
Jason Molf. Right? ah
01:22:02
Cokeley Brothers
And so this is, this is like at this point when you're looking at all three of them, yeah, you should probably start to pull in like, Oh, when he lost, he got pinned.
01:22:08
Reese
Well, what was Knoffs?
01:22:10
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:22:10
Reese
Wasn't he in your top three?
01:22:10
Cokeley Brothers
Hang on. He was a, Oh, he was. I don't know why I put Zane as third. Jason Nolf. The Russell stats.
01:22:25
Cokeley Brothers
OK. Jason Nolf, 129 in four, 96% win percentage, 84% bonus percentage. Bonus rate.
01:22:35
Reese
Pin record. Get the pin record.
01:22:37
Cokeley Brothers
He's got the pin record.
01:22:39
Reese
at Penn State.
01:22:41
Cokeley Brothers
He's got the Penn State pin record. ah So this is where I started to think about dominant. ah
01:22:53
Cokeley Brothers
man
01:22:56
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know, this is kind of tough because like, Spencer Lee, he would go out there and it felt like when he was going to win, there wasn't really anything stopping him.
01:23:08
Cokeley Brothers
And then he just had those off matches where you he loses to Sebastian Rivera and he gets pinned by Nick Piccinini.
01:23:12
Ryne
He had tank issues. He had tank issues, big time tank issues.
01:23:15
Cokeley Brothers
He had tank issues. He had tank issues. This was statistically statistic statistically provable, I know.
01:23:24
Cokeley Brothers
Man, I don't know. i don't know what to I don't know, but but I followed up what I what i sent in with immediately with, this is this is you could basically reorder your careers, all of them, you could reorder them.
01:23:33
Ryne
um i'm sticking I'm sticking with Gabale.
01:23:39
Cokeley Brothers
Gable is number one. ah So especially by the end of this year, you're probably right. If he bonuses this through the entire year, yes, nobody's done that. Nobody's had 100% bonus rate through a season.
01:23:52
Cokeley Brothers
no but Nobody. Nobody. nobody in wresstle Nobody in the last decade.
01:23:58
Reese
Nobody Nobody Who will he I think he'll have a tough time noticing Kirk Maybe Schultz too for some strange reason maybe I
01:24:02
Ryne
Nobody ever.
01:24:03
Cokeley Brothers
And if he if he does it at heavyweight, I don't know, dude. That's freaky.
01:24:13
Ryne
I just don't see him Kirk. Yep.
01:24:16
Cokeley Brothers
That's the only one.
01:24:16
Ryne
I don't see him bonus in Kirk.
01:24:18
Cokeley Brothers
That's the only one, but he only
01:24:20
Ryne
Uh, I mean, I could see why I could also see why it, you know, be, especially with his, his corner. I could see why it keeping it within a decision.
01:24:37
Ryne
But yeah.
01:24:40
Cokeley Brothers
If he does that, he'll, he'll have, I'd say most dominant career. Nothing will ever convince me that somebody can have a more dominant season than what Zane Rutherford did in 27 2017.
01:24:52
Cokeley Brothers
A hundred percent win rate, 92% bonus percentage. And I don't know if you guys remembered, but it just seemed like everybody had fear going into their match with Zane Rutherford.
01:25:04
Cokeley Brothers
He, he.
01:25:04
Reese
and So was it the year after that where he had those close matches with Sorensen and That was the same season so with okay Those cuz those were tight Oh
01:25:09
Cokeley Brothers
No, that was that same season.
01:25:09
Ryne
Yes.
01:25:11
Ryne
Oh.
01:25:13
Cokeley Brothers
But that was his last year is what you're talking about, Ryan.
01:25:15
Ryne
No, that wasn't the year he wrestled. What's his name in the finals? Ronnie Perry, right?
01:25:22
Cokeley Brothers
The year that Reese is talking about is 2017, which is where he had two decisions.
01:25:22
Ryne
2018.
01:25:27
Cokeley Brothers
One, two to one over Anthony Kolica and one in tiebreakers nine to eight against Brandon Sorensen.
01:25:33
Ryne
And Carver.
01:25:33
Cokeley Brothers
He follows up later on in the year. Later on in the year, he he pins Brandon Sorensen at NCAA's.
01:25:38
Ryne
Yeah. Not in Carver.
01:25:39
Reese
Fincolica loses in like the second round or something first round.
01:25:39
Cokeley Brothers
keep He he him pinned and teched his way through Big Ten's and NCAA's.
01:25:43
Ryne
concuss Concussions.
01:25:44
Reese
Oh, that's right.
01:25:51
Reese
I Get it I
01:25:54
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure I saw Micah Jordan go out there and like shed a tear, like, oh, I i had i gotta wrestle this ain't Rutherford again, man. 2017, there was just...
01:26:02
Ryne
No, no, you know who is shedding tears every time they had to wrestle Zane Rutherford?
01:26:06
Cokeley Brothers
Dude.
01:26:06
Ryne
Alec Pantaleo every time, like, go ahead, get your boots in and turn me on. I'm ready to get pinned.
01:26:15
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, he was so scary that year. He had every single win, aside from those two decisions, was ah was a pin or a tech fall. And then he also majored Colin Purinton.
01:26:29
Ryne
Was the ah was the Kalka match at Gallagher Iber?
01:26:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Yes. This was the year where where Flow had the duel and then they had bad streaming issues.
01:26:36
Ryne
Yeah.
01:26:36
Reese
So Yeah, but man I'd remember those matches so vividly and I don't know I just every time people bring up that whole season I'm just like man those matches were really freaking close And you know who didn't have any close matches that year Jason Wolf
01:26:37
Ryne
See? See? See? See? He only had close matches when he was away. In their home. In their own home.
01:27:00
Ryne
There's enough.
01:27:04
Ryne
You're right.
01:27:04
Reese
and Both of those weights were not good really like 57 and 49 those years were not great weights in my opinion Generally Like his freshman years leaves freshman year for sure that was that was a crazy bracket
01:27:11
Cokeley Brothers
So this is another thing that I tried to consider because 125 tough.
01:27:20
Cokeley Brothers
125 not easy.
01:27:24
Cokeley Brothers
Oh my God, dude. So I wanted to keep that into consideration as well. Quality of competition is what you would want to call it. So I don't know, man.
01:27:36
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:27:36
Ryne
to the way Spencer Lee just dominated though, at the NCAA tournament that year.
01:27:42
Reese
Yeah, that was crazy Dominated like Beating up Nick Soriano like that, you know, nobody really did that Yeah was exciting
01:27:43
Ryne
That was crazy. Took his knee brace off.
01:27:50
Ryne
Yeah. No, no, basically pinning Thomas Ella with one leg, like literally using one leg to pin Thomas Ella.
01:27:54
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, nobody.
01:28:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, man.
01:28:06
Ryne
Yeah.
01:28:06
Cokeley Brothers
i I don't know. I think it's a good conversation. Maybe you guys should should come to me with with a revised list, an approved list possibly.
01:28:16
Cokeley Brothers
But in the last decade, that's what I got.
01:28:22
Ryne
There you go. Low satisfied.
01:28:24
Cokeley Brothers
good done I gave it to him and Berryessa gave me some some feedback. He said, how do you have a ah top three list of anything without Carter Storachi and Aaron Brooks? I think he was being satirical, but I don't know.
01:28:37
Ryne
It's really easy.
01:28:37
Cokeley Brothers
Because then I presented some facts.
01:28:37
Reese
satire.
01:28:39
Ryne
It's really easy.
01:28:41
Ryne
It's really easy.
01:28:42
Cokeley Brothers
Both of them are boring.
01:28:44
Ryne
Not only that, not only that, but they've got worse losses than anyone else on the list.
01:28:44
Cokeley Brothers
They don't dominate.
01:28:50
Cokeley Brothers
And both of them have been taken down by DJ Washington. So, there you go. Like physically taken down.
01:28:59
Ryne
I get it.
01:28:59
Cokeley Brothers
meet there There is one thing, there is one thing though, because the reason i I remembered that is because they are both of them. Aside from Sriracha, after he hurt his knee last year.
01:29:11
Cokeley Brothers
i've I don't think I've seen guys that have been that difficult to take down. I guess you would say like, Gable Stevenson's crazy hard to take down, but he's just crazy hard to wrestle.
01:29:21
Ryne
Being, you know, being stingy and being difficult to take down is just not like impressive to me.
01:29:22
Cokeley Brothers
but
01:29:27
Cokeley Brothers
It doesn't, it's not dominant.
01:29:28
Reese
No, it is not not dominant It makes me it makes me sleepy
01:29:28
Cokeley Brothers
It's just, it's defensive, which is, I'm not going to say boring because like, two, no, no.
01:29:30
Ryne
It's boring.
01:29:34
Ryne
No, it's boring.
01:29:36
Cokeley Brothers
Well, so, but what I think about, what I think about when I think about Carter Sriracha and him not getting taken down, I think about his scrambles with Michael Kemmer.
01:29:37
Ryne
It's boring.
01:29:43
Cokeley Brothers
They were insane that they were sophomore year, two sophomore year, two.
01:29:45
Ryne
Yeah, she yes, yes, his freshman year. But then he's like, it's like, I'm just not gonna, I'm just not gonna let you get to my legs.
01:29:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah it it became that.
01:29:55
Ryne
I'm just not gonna let you, I'm just not gonna, yeah.
01:29:57
Cokeley Brothers
It became that. It was like a process after a certain point. I agree.
01:30:03
Ryne
Until Kekheisen.
01:30:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:30:04
Ryne
Oh, Parker. Come on, Parker.
01:30:06
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:30:07
Reese
Come on, Parker.
01:30:08
Ryne
Come on, Parker.
01:30:11
Reese
Everybody, all of our listeners know who we're rooting for.
01:30:18
Ryne
ah
01:30:19
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I'm thinking that if you're not a Penn State fan, what other choice do you have, right?
01:30:25
Ryne
Well, I'm telling you what. Now that the NCAA is playing with the idea of having five seasons or five years of eligibility or whatever, it's like, all right, Carter, go ahead and win your fifth or fail to do so and let someone else do it.
01:30:39
Reese
Yeah.
01:30:40
Cokeley Brothers
Or fail to do so and then, and then it's embarrassing.
01:30:44
Reese
Right guys.
01:30:48
Ryne
Because other people started doing it and he didn't get it done.
01:30:51
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Exactly. It's like other people have their opportunity. And look at that. Bo Bassett, five-time NCAA champ for Rutgers. Crazy.
01:30:58
Ryne
Oh my goodness. And for Rutgers? Oh no.
01:31:02
Cokeley Brothers
For Rutgers.
01:31:05
Reese
ru is
01:31:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah So he took off Iowa State and who? Or Northern Iowa and who?
01:31:13
Ryne
No, Iowa State and Pitts Johnstone.
01:31:15
Cokeley Brothers
And Pidgeonstown. So he's going for real now. It's it's serious season.
01:31:19
Ryne
It's serious season.
01:31:21
Cokeley Brothers
It says that is that top seven top six or left top seven.
01:31:24
Ryne
Seven. You got seven. You got Penn state, Iowa, Oklahoma state, Rutgers, Virginia tech, and two more schools that I cannot remember off the top of my head.
01:31:39
Cokeley Brothers
Michigan.
01:31:40
Ryne
Michigan.
01:31:41
Reese
Michigan
01:31:42
Cokeley Brothers
Did you say Ohio state?
01:31:44
Ryne
Ohio state. That's seven.
01:31:47
Cokeley Brothers
Look at me.
01:31:48
Ryne
You got it.
01:31:49
Cokeley Brothers
And if we repeated one of them, leave us alone. And if you're still listening, that's crazy.
01:31:52
Ryne
I didn't.
01:31:52
Cokeley Brothers
If you are subscribed, share and do all this shit.
01:31:54
Ryne
i I didn't repeat any of those.
01:31:55
Cokeley Brothers
so
01:31:57
Ryne
I just forgot about Michigan and Ohio State because well, dude, except now that if if the rumors are true, Sammy, Ohio State has a legit shot.
01:32:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So does records. We talk, we talk about this.
01:32:10
Ryne
Oh, yeah, Rutgers, obviously, but oh I mean, we all know Tommy Ryan will do whatever it takes.
01:32:12
Cokeley Brothers
It.
01:32:17
Cokeley Brothers
Because, you know, if the rumors are true and if it happens and and and everything goes there, right? You also get key ambassador and Melvin Miller and other poll for Bishop McCourt Vince.
01:32:28
Ryne
Probably Jack's.
01:32:29
Reese
they They just lost a pretty big recruit the Ohio State did Know that's the only reason I brought it up because I know you guys don't feel the same way.
01:32:32
Ryne
Marcus.
01:32:35
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, I know that's Vince a while ago.
01:32:35
Ryne
Marcus. No, dude. Oh, and yeah.
01:32:45
Cokeley Brothers
I, I'm, I'm not ready yet, but go into pit.
01:32:49
Reese
I
01:32:49
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see. We'll see.
01:32:50
Reese
Well, now he's going to pit.
01:32:50
Cokeley Brothers
Could be a big, could be a good grip.
01:32:51
Reese
I don't know.
01:32:53
Cokeley Brothers
Could be.
01:32:56
Ryne
Two time all American.
01:32:56
Cokeley Brothers
They've got a good staff.
01:32:56
Reese
That'd be nice.
01:33:00
Cokeley Brothers
It's not bad.
01:33:01
Ryne
Two time. That's what he's going to be for Pitt.
01:33:02
Reese
For for pit.
01:33:05
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:33:06
Ryne
That's what I got.
01:33:07
Cokeley Brothers
All right, everybody. We're going to wrap it up. It's getting pretty late here.
01:33:11
Ryne
Oh, Ricky, wrap it up.
01:33:11
Cokeley Brothers
Hope you had a good time listening to the episode. Ricky, Ricky, wrap it up. Hope you had a good time listening to the episode. Yeah. Thanks for listening and have a good one. Goodbye. Bye bye.