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Session 59 - Penn State v Iowa Recap + Recruitment News
30 Plays2 months ago
We recap the highlight duals, the biggest of which was Iowa vs Penn St. We also look into the latest on the recruitment side of the sport.
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Transcript
Welcome Back to the Barn Session
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Cokeley Brothers
Uh, where do you, where do you guys want to start? Well, first of all, I guess we could say welcome back to the barn session.
00:00:07
Ryne
was like are you not going
00:00:10
Reese
i Thought we I thought we sweet we ditched that anyway doing introductions Probably
00:00:10
Cokeley Brothers
but um
00:00:14
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, it's not a, it doesn't have to be a full, like a full scheduled intro, but, um, yeah, I just want to welcome everybody to the show. Hey, if you're watching.
00:00:24
Ryne
i'm looking at your I'm looking at your notes and I want to know what you mean by Wisconsin has a pulse.
00:00:31
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, we'll talk about that. We can, we can get there. We'll get there. Relax.
00:00:35
Ryne
Well, you said, where do you want to start?
00:00:35
Cokeley Brothers
I'll, I'll, I'll talk about it.
00:00:36
Ryne
Why don't we start with that?
00:00:37
Cokeley Brothers
All right. We'll start there. We'll, we'll start there. Uh, Nebraska and and Wisconsin wrestled and and they, uh, got a win at 125 and 133 and that
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Cokeley Brothers
looked good. And, uh, um, well, I, I didn't want to like provide all the context in the notes cause I just wanted to use that to get started.
00:00:46
Ryne
All right, well, context.
00:00:53
Ryne
I mean, context for our listeners, they got to win at 125 because.
00:00:53
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, but not, not just.
00:00:57
Cokeley Brothers
ah Lordson was wrestling instead of Smith, ah but Van D lost to Zanfugia, Zanfugia beat him.
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Ryne
Yeah.
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Ryne
It's foggy.
00:01:04
Cokeley Brothers
And, okay. And Pinto, Pinto needed a Jonesy tilt to beat Condon.
00:01:09
Ryne
Okay.
00:01:10
Reese
is it really fuck it
00:01:12
Ryne
No, it's not.
00:01:12
Cokeley Brothers
No, there's no way.
00:01:13
Ryne
I don't think so, but that's what Moffat and I call it. So call him. Moffat's like, he's my favorite wrestler in the NCAA just because of his name. And I don't know if I'm saying it right.
00:01:26
Cokeley Brothers
um I want to start with this part because I think it's ah it's kind of negative, but we need to get it out of the way. And it's it's the situation that's going on with the Edmund North girls team, the high school team there.
00:01:37
Cokeley Brothers
um
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Cokeley Brothers
I'm guessing most people who are nerds about wrestling have heard about this, but I'm going to just read out the article um or at least the highlights of it so that people understand what exactly is going on.
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Cokeley Brothers
So the Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Association, so it's OSSAA, suspended Edmond North High School girls wrestling program, citing two egregious acts of unsportsmanlike conduct, which Edmond Public Schools confirmed resulted from the actions of a parent.
00:02:09
Ryne
I thought it was two different parents.
00:02:09
Cokeley Brothers
so
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Cokeley Brothers
i I don't know, I can't tell if it means like one parent or each act was at it an unsportsmanlike act from a parent.
00:02:12
Ryne
It's just one singular parent.
00:02:22
Cokeley Brothers
So I can't tell if it's two different parents, whatever. Either way, um News 9 spoke with a parent who claimed responsibility for one of the incidents in a question.
00:02:25
Ryne
Regardless.
00:02:31
Cokeley Brothers
So that that makes it sound like there's two. um The parent shared that he was ejected from his daughter's wrestling match after using profanity towards a referee. Okay.
00:02:41
Ryne
I mean, towards and towards is strong too.
00:02:41
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, deserve the, if he said that's effing bullshit or something like that, then now, if he, if, if he says, if he says ref, you're, you're effing stupid or something like that.
00:02:43
Ryne
I mean, maybe not towards the referee, but more towards ah the situation. or Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, Yeah,
00:02:57
Ryne
that's well, and even still though, how are you going to suspend a team for the rest and definitely rest of the season, like for the actions of a, of a fan?
00:02:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:03:02
Cokeley Brothers
that's
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Cokeley Brothers
That's,
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Ryne
Like, come on.
00:03:07
Cokeley Brothers
Right. ah So I want to break this down a little bit, right? Because they explained like this rule has been in place for three years now. This is the first time that we've had to use the rule as as an association.
00:03:20
Ryne
It is a dumb rule.
00:03:20
Cokeley Brothers
So I want to break it down, right? So you have a team of of high school wrestlers and they go out and they compete, they wrestle. ah And What they've decided to do is remove them from the opportunity to go and compete. And, and, you know, this goal that they've been working towards, right? The Edmund North girls team is, is pretty good from what I read. Um, they've removed the opportunity for them to go compete, especially in the post-season to go, you know, finish out their goals.
00:03:56
Cokeley Brothers
And that's not because of, you know, if the wrestlers were causing, causing problems, that makes sense. Right. But due to something that none of the athletes themselves could control, not even the coaches can control, it's an outside factor.
00:04:10
Cokeley Brothers
But because of that, the associations like, yeah, just get rid of these girls. Cause that's going to solve their problem. Even though because, because, just because they're kicked out, doesn't mean parents can't show up to whatever event and still cause problems.
00:04:23
Ryne
Yeah, just band, just band the parent.
00:04:24
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:04:26
Ryne
I mean, being the parent for the rest of the season, you know, teach them a lesson.
00:04:26
Cokeley Brothers
Just being the parent.
00:04:30
Ryne
Don't, I mean, it's the sins of the father, not the sins. You know what I mean? It's all, it's like, it's terrible.
00:04:37
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah, this needs to be this needs to be the moniker that that.
00:04:39
Ryne
What are we doing?
00:04:43
Cokeley Brothers
Everybody.
00:04:43
Ryne
We got referees, we got referees ejecting entire fan base bases from duels. And now we got, now we got organizations, spending teams for parents actions.
00:04:50
Cokeley Brothers
I mean that.
00:04:53
Ryne
Like, come on, man.
00:04:55
Cokeley Brothers
That's dumb in a different way. This is this is this is problematic because but everybody what everybody should follow if they're involved in this in in any sport, right whether you're part of the administration behind it, you're a parent, you're an athlete, you're a coach, you're an athletic trainer, whatever the...
00:05:00
Ryne
It's all soft.
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Cokeley Brothers
um
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Ryne
okay
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Cokeley Brothers
whatever your role is in the entire scope or the entire ecosystem, your central, your rule number one should really be, well, keep them safe, right? But then rule number two should be let them compete. They provide them as many opportunities to go out and do whatever it is that they want to do, right? From wrestling, from the wrestling perspective or competition perspective, because it's, this can be applied to all sports.
00:05:37
Cokeley Brothers
So for this to happen, uh, it's just, it feels like it's really, really, really stupid and they're appealing it.
Cade Lott's Performance & NC State vs UNC
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Cokeley Brothers
I just, I don't know if that's going to pay off in any reasonable measure, but I think it's, I think it's just, I have this at the, at the top because like last week it felt really stupid to hear about the reasoning behind why Cleveland state was, um,
00:06:06
Cokeley Brothers
why Cleveland state was dropped as a wrestling program. And now this is happening and it just feels like, uh, I don't know, maybe wrestling is, is the, the, what people, I just see a lot of dumb things happen for people who don't really, I guess that maybe they don't get it. Right. I don't know. It just, it's frustrating. So hopefully they're able to compete, but yeah.
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Ryne
They
Penn State vs Iowa Match Recap
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Ryne
will. They're appealing it, right?
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but I mean, postseason starts for them soon. Like, there's a whole process. And and if if anybody on that board just doesn't want to deal with it, then they're just not going to deal with it.
00:06:46
Ryne
Well, then they're going to be dealing with some lawsuits, I'm sure.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but like.
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Ryne
I mean, that's, that's the thing. It's like, all right, you can either let them wrestle or you're going to like, there's going to be at least one or two parents are going to be suing.
00:07:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's it's also just when you think about it, like, All of these decisions are made by people, you know, ah i'll cause I kind of just wonder like how, how did we end up here?
00:07:09
Ryne
hey Yeah dumb people um i don't Yeah, who knows what goes down who knows if someone was paid to make these decisions and you know what I mean like It's crazy.
00:07:16
Cokeley Brothers
You know, and it's always just, it's based on people and what they choose to do. So it's just, I don't know. It's frustrating, but yeah.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Just.
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Ryne
It's crazy It's crazy.
00:07:33
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:07:34
Ryne
All right, where you guys want to go from here?
00:07:38
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, we could get into some of the results. I guess the big, the big dual Penn State, Iowa.
00:07:42
Ryne
Now, let's talk. about Let's talk about. Yeah, we can do that or we can talk about. I'd much rather talk about NC State over in North Carolina.
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Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I have it on here.
00:07:51
Ryne
I see it.
00:07:53
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Uh, let's, let's just get, let's get through.
00:07:54
Ryne
I'd rather talk about that one first and then go into the the big door.
00:07:58
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right. All right. Let's, let me pull up NC state UNC. I looked at it briefly, but I didn't, I didn't get into the the details of some of these results. So.
00:08:08
Ryne
Shout out a lot.
00:08:08
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, they, yes, yes.
00:08:11
Ryne
Let's start with him.
00:08:11
Cokeley Brothers
Shout out to Cade. Let's start with Cade.
00:08:13
Ryne
but shot Let's start with our boy, Kade Lott.
00:08:15
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:08:15
Ryne
Down at 197 and looking good.
00:08:16
Cokeley Brothers
Cade lot.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yes. He took out Christian, not Bible one. It was a good result. Uh, Trumbull over Nolan Nieves, Vincent Robinson over Spencer Moore, Ethan Oakley over Kairini.
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Cokeley Brothers
James Scott over Tyler Tracy, Lachlan McNeil over Koy Biskins, Ed Scott over Sunny Santiago, Derek Fields over Charlie Derricotte, Josh Ogensanya over Matt Singleton, Dylan Fishback over Gavin Kane.
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Cokeley Brothers
So this was a close duel.
00:08:45
Ryne
It was a very back and forth duel.
00:08:47
Cokeley Brothers
So NC State, 19, North Carolina, 16. A good duel for for North Carolina, ah kind of off the back. I mean, ty is Tyler Tracy their starter at 41?
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Cokeley Brothers
Is he?
00:09:01
Ryne
He's probably good. Well, now that Kai's down, he's probably going to be right.
00:09:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:05
Ryne
Just cause they're red shirting.
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Ryne
Um.
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Cokeley Brothers
Jack.
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Ryne
Jack, well, Andy's coming up, right? He's coming up to 49.
00:09:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:15
Ryne
I think that's the plan is he's going to be 49 and Arrington is going to be 57 next year, right?
00:09:18
Cokeley Brothers
OK, I was well, when I when I was reading this the other day, I was like, this doesn't I don't think this is their full lineup, but I actually it must be so.
00:09:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, the. I mean, I think Sonny Santiago had a win last year over Ed Scott. So that could have been where they had flipped this result, but really nothing went.
00:09:40
Ryne
Did he really, can you look that up?
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Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure he did. Sonny Santiago beat somebody. I can't remember who though.
00:09:46
Ryne
No, I know he's had some good wins. I just didn't, I didn't think he'd man over ed would be that's it. That would be his best win ever. Right.
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Reese
i Mean Ed Scott loses to all kinds of people No,
00:09:57
Ryne
No, you're right. But that would still be Sonny's best win.
00:10:01
Reese
no, I don't know I mean if you beat he beat somebody yeah, I mean I agree that he know anything about what he's done this year
00:10:01
Ryne
Correct.
00:10:04
Ryne
Or did he beat? No, did he beat? ah I mean, Hippolyto is still kind of proven himself, but did he beat Hippolyto?
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he hed beat Ed Scott. He beat Ed Scott at 8.5 last year in their duel.
00:10:13
Ryne
Yeah.
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Cokeley Brothers
so He lost to him 14.7.
00:10:15
Ryne
Did he beat Hippolyto this year?
00:10:23
Ryne
OK. But they won that duel, right? They beat Virginia Tech.
00:10:30
Cokeley Brothers
ah They pulling it up. Yep, they beat him 20 to 17. It's a pretty good match.
00:10:38
Ryne
Another good duel.
00:10:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Cade had a 4-1 sudden victory loss to Andy Smith, so that was a competitive match for him. But yeah, Spencer Moore beat Ethan Oakley. That was the big one.
00:10:47
Ryne
hate Cade's right there,
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00:10:49
Ryne
man. He might be a Dark Horse pick for March.
00:10:50
Cokeley Brothers
Cade's right there.
00:10:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he's I think he's a fringe qualifier right now.
00:10:59
Ryne
Fringe. I thought he said fringe at first.
00:11:01
Cokeley Brothers
No. He's one of those, one of those Italian qualifiers, actually.
00:11:06
Ryne
He'll qualify.
00:11:06
Cokeley Brothers
He's 12 and nine.
00:11:06
Ryne
I have no no doubt in my mind, my man, Cade will qualify.
00:11:12
Cokeley Brothers
ah He just needs to finish out the regular season strong. That's all he needs to do.
00:11:18
Cokeley Brothers
ah But yeah, I mean, so Vincent Robinson, Spencer Moore, there was a little bit of intrigue in this match, but Vincent kind of shut the door on it a little bit.
00:11:18
Ryne
i mean
00:11:25
Cokeley Brothers
um Yeah. Um, Charlie Derricotte was at Stanford. He's at UNC now. I didn't know that I was at a second semester move. First he'd been there the whole year.
00:11:40
Ryne
Uh, that was, that was his first, uh, match for you and see, right.
00:11:45
Cokeley Brothers
First match at 165. I think, I think so. This is the first time I've seen it.
00:11:49
Ryne
I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure I saw it on Twitter too, that he was making his debut.
00:11:49
Cokeley Brothers
So that's, he was, he was 157 last year for Stanford. And I think there was a little bit of a roster battle between him and Cardenas, right?
00:12:01
Ryne
I kind of.
00:12:04
Cokeley Brothers
a little bit. Well, I i think he was.
00:12:05
Ryne
I think his plan, I don't know. I heard his plan was to always leave and follow Cole. So.
00:12:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I'm thinking of hang on because he wrestled at the scuffle last year.
00:12:16
Ryne
Hey, I need a time out though. I need to take London upstairs, so.
00:12:20
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay. Sounds good. It was a five three five three match between him and Cardenas at the scuffle last year. He beat Kayden G. Feller. This was two years ago, what i'm is what I'm referring to. Everything I'm thinking about was two years ago. Okay, that makes sense. Okay.
00:12:44
Cokeley Brothers
um Nevermind then. So, yeah, I mean, good duel, went mostly chalk. I guess Josh Hogan, Sonia Beaton, Matt Singleton,
00:12:56
Cokeley Brothers
ah is a, it's a good result for Josh. So, Reese, any thoughts?
00:13:05
Reese
What's Massingleton's record this year? Probably not very good.
00:13:07
Cokeley Brothers
He is 12 and seven.
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00:13:13
Cokeley Brothers
He's got, he's lost to Kay Divas, Simon Ruiz, ah Danny Brownagol, Nick Nkontreira, Dean Hamity, Luca Augustine, and Josh Rogensonia.
00:13:21
Cokeley Brothers
None of those are like bad losses.
00:13:21
Reese
Oh pretty good.
00:13:24
Reese
Yeah.
00:13:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:13:26
Cokeley Brothers
He's beaten jack Jackson Turley. Uh, Lucas Eliano, that's not a bad win either. Yeah. I mean, he's also beaten Simon Ruiz. He beat him at the duel between NC state and Cornell. So he'll be someone to keep an eye on in the post-season. He'll be interesting. Yeah. Uh, let's, let's get into the big one, huh?
00:13:56
Reese
Yes, well, Ryan's gone.
00:14:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Well, while Ryan's gone, let me just, yeah, Iowa sucks.
00:14:00
Reese
Iowa sucks.
00:14:04
Cokeley Brothers
And let me read off the results here. Luke Lillard all over Joey Cruz, Drake Ayala over Kurt McHenry, Bo Bartlett over Colin Shriver, Shane Van Ness over Kyle Parko, Tyler Kasek over Jacory Teamer, Mitchell Mesinbrink over Michael Caliendo, Levi Haines over Patrick Kennedy, Carter Storachi over Angelo Ferrari, Steven Buchanan over Josh Barr, and Greg Kirkley over Ben Keeter.
00:14:29
Cokeley Brothers
Also, almost completely chalk. I would say the only one or the two that aren't are van Ness and case act winning. Yeah.
00:14:45
Reese
Yeah, I mean even those are like on on paper upsets.
00:14:48
Cokeley Brothers
They're right, they're right there. Yeah, exactly. ah Yeah, little doll looked really good against Cruz. Uh, it would have been nice to see a all a Russell Braden Davis, but, uh, he wrestled Kurt McHenry.
00:15:06
Cokeley Brothers
Who, uh, put up his best effort, but may all is may all is good.
00:15:13
Reese
people Everybody keeps talking about Braden Davis. Why aren't we talking about Braden Davis ducking? But I thought I had heard that he was his knee was Not great. Not a non great shape.
00:15:24
Reese
ah I mean you'd have that knee sleeve or whatever on Whatever yeah
00:15:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, and it's ah I don't know, whatever. I mean, because there was. It was funny because I I have a couple ah of guys down here who they were watching the duel and one of them was like. Penn State and Iowa are both ducking and I was just like.
00:15:57
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I was like, yeah, but, but I mean, there's still some, there's still some names in there. And and one of them says, who, who the heck is Kurt McHenry? And I'm like, damn, you just don't know.
00:16:07
Reese
You're old.
00:16:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. He just doesn't know, which yeah, Kurt was really good in high school, and but he was always too small for 25.
00:16:13
Reese
Yeah. Might be the guy. I think he should be the guy,
00:16:17
Cokeley Brothers
So being Bresson 133 is, uh, ah
00:16:22
Reese
yeah
00:16:25
Cokeley Brothers
Beau Bartlett, Colin Schriever. Schriever might, I don't know, do you think he could, he could end up being the starter?
00:16:29
Reese
might be the guy i think he should be the guy honestly. I've always thought you, I mean, I don't know, writer block, you know, you would hope that he would be the guy, but
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00:16:39
Reese
he doesn't really seem like it.
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
Just hasn't happened.
00:16:41
Reese
Shriever in Shriever is like a pretty solid, solid dude.
00:16:42
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:16:46
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah. So I.
00:16:51
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see. We'll see with them. I guess they wrestled they did wrestle today. ah They wrestled Maryland.
00:16:56
Reese
Maryland.
00:16:56
Cokeley Brothers
They beat them 34 to 9. Who? Shriever wrestled and he pinned. Oh no, he got pinned.
00:17:02
Reese
Ooh.
00:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
Wait. Wait. No, no, no, no.
00:17:06
Cokeley Brothers
The wrestle stat just has it down wrong. They have Cole and Shriever getting pinned by Braxton Brown and then Cole and Shriever beating Dario Lemus.
00:17:13
Reese
okay
00:17:13
Cokeley Brothers
Shriever's got a brother, right?
00:17:13
Reese
Okay.
00:17:16
Reese
I don't know.
00:17:17
Cokeley Brothers
I think he has a brother. Hang on. Give me a second one.
00:17:21
Reese
Yeah, but you want to talk about ducking.
00:17:24
Cokeley Brothers
Teamer.
00:17:24
Reese
A lot of evidence for a team or ducking.
00:17:27
Reese
That duel, for sure. Big time.
00:17:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:17:29
Cokeley Brothers
100%. Uh, maybe it was kale Peterson that wrestled 133. Uh, I don't know.
00:17:36
Reese
And Braxton Brown pinned him.
00:17:37
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, yes. Yes. Pendham.
00:17:42
Reese
Yikes.
00:17:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Uh, Ethan Miller. So Ethan Miller would, that would have been a match. that had a little bit of intrigue, but I would have taken Teamer a little handedly.
00:17:55
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, Miguel Estrada wrestled him to a four to four to match, but.
00:18:00
Reese
and lost his redshirt in the process it's crazy yeah that's a good one I was talking about Arnold
00:18:01
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I don't know. Dude, that that's the weird thing to me. Why why burn a redshirt over that? That doesn't. It's weird to me.
00:18:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know. Gabe Arnold beat Jackson Smith and tiebreakers. Keeter beat Nevels. Okay. Yeah. Neville's, Neville's is doing, doing better this year for sure.
00:18:29
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yes. Yes. I mean, both of them are good. Honestly, like Peter, Peter getting a win over Neville's is also a good one, but, uh, but Gabe Arnold over Jackson Smith two, one, he just, I mean, if he, if he wrestles all of his matches like that, then yeah, maybe he can be competitive against Carter Storachi, but.
00:18:50
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know, I just wish I could see more offense.
00:18:53
Ryne
I think on the Jackson Smith match there was a little bit of I'm still ticked I didn't get a rest on not throwing a fit but maybe disappointed still that he didn't get a wrestle Friday night
00:19:02
Cokeley Brothers
um I'm throwing a fit. I mean. Yeah, right, because that that's so that was a brand's choice. That was a coach. The coach said, hey, we want to manage your your schedule here.
00:19:21
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and then there's the whole video of him getting picked up by or held, not held up, but like pulled up by brands and escorted out by the, by him and the officer.
00:19:27
Ryne
Escorted out. He stood up on his own and brands just escorted him out, dude.
00:19:33
Cokeley Brothers
It just, uh, yeah, I don't know. It just, that was weird to me. And I guess, I don't know the Penn state fans already. So you got to learn to.
00:19:40
Ryne
who And honestly, like that was probably part of it, right? Like. I mean, you think about the fan that went after Jordan burrows last year at worlds, like, you know, these, you know, there's fans there that are probably chirping.
00:19:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:19:53
Ryne
It's brands is probably helping him like, Hey, let's get you out of this situation here before, you know, they're, they're kids, they're kids.
00:20:01
Cokeley Brothers
yeah yeah
00:20:01
Ryne
They don't always make the best decision. But anyway, I, you know, I get people saying like,
00:20:10
Ryne
attacking brands or attacking Gabe or, you know, for the decision and this, that, the other. I think brands is okay to make that call. Throw in, let Angelo, you know, have the, um the only opportunity he's ever going to get against Carter.
00:20:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah,
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00:20:27
Ryne
Let him test himself.
00:20:27
Cokeley Brothers
yeah.
00:20:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, sure, yeah.
00:20:27
Ryne
Let him see where he's at. Gabe will get his opportunity at big tens.
00:20:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And I mean, I.
00:20:37
Ryne
Possibly nationals, depending on how seeds go.
00:20:40
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah, I do. I think I think Gabe Arnold's chances against Carter Storachi are better than his chances against Parker Kek Aizen.
00:20:50
Ryne
Well, yeah, I mean that's.
00:20:51
Cokeley Brothers
I think.
00:20:53
Ryne
Yeah, I agree 100% there.
00:20:54
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:20:56
Ryne
Yes.
00:20:56
Cokeley Brothers
OK.
00:20:57
Ryne
Race.
00:20:58
Reese
Yeah, for sure.
00:21:00
Cokeley Brothers
OK. Uh, let's go back down to the, the lower weights, the first three, you know, they were what they were, but Shane Van Ness, Cal Parko. I kind of want to, I want to attribute the way that match ended up.
00:21:12
Ryne
Well, how about this? I would like to talk about how people are attacking the brand's brothers for wrestling Gabe Arnold or not wrestling Gabe Arnold, but no one's saying anything about kale, not wrestling Braden Davis.
00:21:25
Ryne
And Braden Davis was there and looked fine.
00:21:29
Ryne
and Obviously we don't know what's going on there, but it's like, all right.
00:21:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:33
Ryne
You know, Braden Davis been wrestling.
00:21:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Reese, Reese mentioned that. Reese mentioned that maybe his knees banged up or whatever, but I mean, yeah, you're, the Iowa is always going to be given a way harder time than any other school.
00:21:46
Cokeley Brothers
That's just the way it is. So Ryan, as a hot guy, you, you're kind of just going to have to take it in stride, but also, but also call out if whenever you're given.
00:21:54
Ryne
I just would like to, let me, hold on, hold on, hold on. As a hockey, you called me as a hot guy. I want you to know that I won $150 this weekend because I bet on Penn State to cover a 21 point spread.
00:22:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if you're allowed to say that in the state that you live in, but All right.
00:22:12
Ryne
I, what do you mean?
00:22:14
Cokeley Brothers
Hey man, that's okay No, I'm saying like you live in Iowa you you Want to be careful betting against Iowa bad fan If only a you know what donate that money back to the Hawkeyes
00:22:15
Ryne
Junior college athletes can, uh, first of all,
00:22:25
Reese
You're a bad fan Yeah You're gonna give him the dresser
00:22:27
Ryne
Not why, why am I a bad fan?
00:22:33
Ryne
It was, listen, it was money that I made off of another coach that I work with. It wasn't even on like a sports gambling app or anything. I bet, I bet a nice dresser, Reese, you know, it's what I'm talking about. One of the ones we loaded up and I took up here that the big long, the the shorter one, but the big long one.
00:22:56
Ryne
he won he out but Dude, he was like, I was so certain that they would cover 21 points, and I was right.
00:23:01
Reese
You're going to give him the dresser, the dad, that I moved five times for you.
00:23:03
Cokeley Brothers
Dude.
00:23:06
Reese
I'm going to think five times for you, bro.
00:23:09
Ryne
Hey, hey, hey, who won? Who won the bat race? You're over here, bitch, and the dresser is still in my garage, and I'm $150, Richard.
00:23:12
Reese
All right.
00:23:14
Cokeley Brothers
Oh. That that I mean, I I'm pretty sure gambling is still legal in Alabama, but it's not a thing for me either the way, but. It would have been pretty crazy to have picked Iowa in that in that that bet, because like.
Comparing Penn State Wrestling Teams
00:23:33
Ryne
21 points. I mean, they only won by 22 points.
00:23:33
Cokeley Brothers
Dude.
00:23:35
Ryne
So.
00:23:37
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and I mean.
00:23:38
Ryne
It was hilarious when Greg Kirkley got that last takedown. I could hear Troy Bennett going, and God damn it.
00:23:46
Ryne
Yes.
00:23:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah. um I don't know, because like the the a all a tech fall, probably not expected.
00:23:56
Ryne
Over over over a 25 pounder.
00:23:56
Cokeley Brothers
But.
00:23:59
Ryne
Yeah, very expected.
00:24:00
Cokeley Brothers
because because Because they expected Bray Davis for the line, Ryan.
00:24:01
Reese
No, for the line.
00:24:05
Ryne
Oh, no, they moved the line.
00:24:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:24:08
Ryne
They moved the line down right before the duel to 19 and a half points.
00:24:14
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting. I don't know.
00:24:15
Ryne
On circus sports, which means they knew when I, when I heard about that was about three or four hours before the duel, which means somebody told Vegas that Braden Davis wasn't wrestling.
00:24:15
Cokeley Brothers
i
00:24:22
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:24:28
Reese
but
00:24:29
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:24:30
Ryne
Probably. Or many of.
00:24:33
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Uh, let's, let's get back to Van Ness Parco. So Parco gets a, or Van Ness gets a 17, six major. And I think this all started, this obviously all fell apart whenever Van Ness took Parco down to his back, but.
00:24:48
Cokeley Brothers
I think that also is you can attribute the way Parker finished out that match to the fact that he had to fight off his back in that split position for as long as he had to.
00:25:01
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think he's I don't think he gets that tired if he isn't in that position.
00:25:06
Reese
Yeah, I don't think that's ever a ah major decision again.
00:25:07
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:25:10
Cokeley Brothers
Probably not, I don't think.
00:25:14
Ryne
Yeah, I agree, I agree.
00:25:15
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:25:15
Ryne
I mean, it was a shootout in the first period, so.
00:25:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it was it was it was great. And then the second period van Ness just he kind of gets in this weird. He gets in a like a weird shot or weird. I don't even know. Was it a duck? what How did he get to the body that like that?
00:25:33
Reese
I remember.
00:25:34
Ryne
I thought he didn't he get the leg and trip him. Or was that the first takedown?
00:25:38
Cokeley Brothers
Get the leg. and I think that was the first take down.
00:25:40
Ryne
No, OK.
00:25:41
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. But I by the way, it was it was interesting. And this looks really good, but this kind of sets up the pecking order to be. um Henson love it Van Ness Parko at least seating wise and obviously big tents can change things but ah Yeah with ah with Caleb Henson coming back and I don't know if you guys saw what he there's a clip of him ah pushing pushing Jack Joffrey around the mat He looks angry, so I I don't think you would want to pick anybody other than Henson this year
00:26:16
Ryne
I'm still, I'm sticking with Van Ness.
00:26:16
Reese
Oh, yeah?
00:26:18
Ryne
I'm sticking with I'm sticking with Nessie.
00:26:18
Reese
Yeah, I'm gonna pick Love It.
00:26:19
Cokeley Brothers
um I'm picking Henson.
00:26:24
Cokeley Brothers
I'm picking Henson because I live right next to the state of Georgia and I don't want to get attacked by all them. So I want to stay safe.
00:26:29
Ryne
Oh, quiet.
00:26:33
Ryne
I heard Georgians are nice. Here in the US.
00:26:36
Cokeley Brothers
Well, until you until you don't bet on their people, so. Uh, one 57 Tyler Kasak takes out to Corey team or five two and holds him up in the last 15 seconds of the match to basically. To stalemate the match.
00:26:56
Ryne
Yeah, why didn't they call a stalemate?
00:26:57
Reese
Like a little baby.
00:26:59
Cokeley Brothers
Well, because the takedowns imminent in that position, the takedowns imminent the entire time.
00:27:00
Reese
Why would you ever call a stalemate there, yeah?
00:27:03
Ryne
When the kid is holding him up and then going like this to the crowd, that's when you a stalemate.
00:27:06
Reese
He threw his fist up for literally half a second, dude.
00:27:11
Ryne
But to a referee, that's like, oh, this kid's not trying to score. Stalemate it. I mean, not that it would have changed anything, but.
00:27:17
Cokeley Brothers
I would have I would never the especially in that crowd.
00:27:17
Reese
I would never, I would never stalemate, I would never stalemate that.
00:27:23
Cokeley Brothers
Oh oh my God, I would have become the enemy instantaneously.
00:27:26
Ryne
It would have, it would have fit in right in with all the other calls he made then.
00:27:26
Reese
And it's just, they're on their feet. What?
00:27:33
Cokeley Brothers
he that He's saying that that it was a little bit of home cooking, which I don't disagree with, but we'll get.
00:27:38
Ryne
I'm not saying it was home cooking. I'm saying that he would, he was, he just was making terrible, terrible calls in some of those matches.
00:27:40
Cokeley Brothers
Not quite.
00:27:48
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, we'll get we'll get there.
00:27:49
Reese
There was a stalemate. Was that this in that door?
00:27:52
Ryne
74.
00:27:53
Reese
Like the seven-second like seven seconds left he calls a stalemate or something. Oh, no, no Was it where somebody was coming out the back door?
00:28:02
Ryne
174 174 entity was gonna like looking like he was like gonna get in position to maybe get the take down.
00:28:03
Reese
Is that Kennedy was like coming out the back door and they stalemated it? Yeah That was a bad stalemate dude big time
00:28:11
Ryne
Yes.
00:28:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. hey
00:28:13
Ryne
Well in some of the stall calls to like, dude, I didn't even see the first stall call on Ferrari. I didn't even know he hit him once or one time before the second one.
00:28:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so the the well, we'll get there. We'll get there. um Yeah, that was.
00:28:26
Reese
So case act though. He's a pretty good.
00:28:28
Cokeley Brothers
Case, I guess it looks good. i I don't know if this is if this is the the jacore team or that we're going to see in the postseason or at we're at in CA's, but.
00:28:37
Reese
We just saw him destroy Sammy Sasso.
00:28:40
Cokeley Brothers
I do, I.
00:28:43
Cokeley Brothers
I don't I don't I'm not going to use that as like real measurement.
00:28:45
Reese
OK.
00:28:47
Cokeley Brothers
da Just because I don't think sassos ah
00:28:49
Ryne
I also told Jackson Aryan to destroy Sammy Sasso.
00:28:49
Reese
I think he looked. I think he looked exactly anything is good.
00:28:55
Ryne
I mean, my point being though that Sammy is not the same Sammy.
00:29:01
Reese
No, I know, I know, but he looked good.
00:29:01
Cokeley Brothers
No, but what, what's right.
00:29:03
Reese
And also, I just don't think he looked any different from like a year ago in the NCAA finals where he did absolutely nothing. Like he did not come anywhere close to scoring on Levi Haynes.
00:29:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So Tyler Casek is obviously strong. I think that's his, that's the biggest indicator from what I saw against Teamer is that he just, he was able to stuff everything. And so.
00:29:34
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's going to be him and Shapiro case, extra pyro in the finals. I think that's what we're going to get. Uh, and in CAAs.
00:29:43
Reese
i Still want to see I would love to see a team or Shapiro just because you know, Shapiro is less disciplined
00:29:47
Cokeley Brothers
I, I think Shapiro is going to, I think, I think Shapiro will be the second seed because of his, uh, medical forfeit earlier in the year.
00:29:59
Cokeley Brothers
So if he, if Shapiro wins out, Kasich wins big tens should go and unless I'm forgetting somebody, but it should go. Uh, Kasich, Shapiro, and then probably team or if he's the one that takes second.
00:30:12
Cokeley Brothers
So, um, yeah.
00:30:17
Ryne
Would you like me to go?
00:30:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, go ahead.
00:30:18
Reese
Go.
00:30:19
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan.
00:30:19
Ryne
Dray Sean Ross has committed to Oklahoma State. This has happened since we started the podcast.
00:30:28
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting.
00:30:28
Reese
Nice, nice. You think he'll be heavy weight?
00:30:30
Cokeley Brothers
Trisha. He's got to be right.
00:30:32
Reese
He's got to be, I guess, yeah.
00:30:33
Ryne
Yeah.
00:30:36
Ryne
Yep.
00:30:36
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting.
00:30:36
Reese
That's pretty cool.
00:30:38
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, they're getting.
00:30:38
Ryne
So Fort Dodge boy.
00:30:40
Cokeley Brothers
I'm nervous. I'm nervous about him in college. I just wanted to have a healthy shoulder. If he has a healthy shoulder, he's going to be really, really good.
00:30:47
Ryne
we need to quit playing football.
00:30:48
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:30:48
Reese
Magic Man will get him right.
00:30:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Good. Do your magic, David. Keep him right.
00:30:54
Reese
They call him Mr.
00:30:55
Cokeley Brothers
Uh,
00:30:56
Reese
Miyagi also. That's one of his other nicknames.
00:30:59
Ryne
No, Reese made that up. That's never been, never.
00:31:04
Cokeley Brothers
once one 65 Mitchell mesin break tech falls, Michael Caliendo. Uh, so that I wanted, uh, I can, we can use this to kind of lead into a side topic. Mitchell mesin break is hodge watch for sure. It's him. It's, it's really the obvious ones right now are him, Carter Storachi and Gable Stevenson. And I think that's it. Right.
00:31:32
Ryne
yep
00:31:33
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, yeah, because you have so you have Mitchell Mesenbrink, who is.
00:31:37
Ryne
Yep.
00:31:38
Cokeley Brothers
Bonest his way through the year, just tech fault number two in the country ah will have wrestled all of pretty much all of the best guys at the weight and is at a competitive weight in 165.
00:31:51
Ryne
but about What about what if Greg and or Wyatt beat Gable?
00:31:51
Cokeley Brothers
It's traditionally.
00:31:54
Cokeley Brothers
So right yeah, so I said the obvious ones that I will get to that, we'll get to that. So. um
00:32:01
Reese
We're always getting to something.
00:32:03
Cokeley Brothers
Just give me a second. So then you have Karasurashi going for his fifth title. He's got to beat Parker Kecheisen. That's obvious, right? And then Gable Steve's in 100% bonus rate of heavyweight, just a force of nature, obviously, yes. The guys that are still undefeated, are still in contention for Hodge, who I'm not gonna rule it out, and or I would love to see it, right?
00:32:31
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, obviously Kirk fleet and Wyatt, but why in particular and Dean Hamady? Uh, because Dean Hamady would, has to be a combination of Keegan O'Toole and Levi Haynes, uh, and his bumping up away class and has an undefeated year and all of these things. His bonus rate, I don't think is quite there for it.
00:32:50
Cokeley Brothers
the The biggest one is honest honestly Wyatt Hendrickson. He's got, he's bonus to everybody but one match who was against Isaac Trumbull who he pinned earlier in the year. ah He's a fan favorite ah and great sportsmanship, all that stuff. And he would have to beat Gable Stevenson who is the best wrestler in the world right now. So all of those elements. Dude, imagine, imagine,
Historical Penn State Team Evaluations
00:33:17
Cokeley Brothers
the arena at NCAA's on Saturday night, final match of the night, Gable Stevenson, Wyatt Anderson, Wyatt goes out there and wins. How it would be deafening, like like beyond, beyond Spencer Lee getting pinned, beyond Thomas Gilman getting pinned, beyond Max Dean beating Miles Martin, all of that. it yeah but It would be like when Philly, if Philly, if the Eagles beat Kansas City, it would be equitable to that. The city would would be on fire. Am I wrong?
00:33:46
Reese
if Kirk pin Gable He would have to pin Gable.
00:33:47
Ryne
I don't know do people really like yeah but do but like I mean would people really be cheering that hard for Gable to lose though people cheered hard because Spencer's a Hawkeye
00:33:49
Cokeley Brothers
No, if Wyatt, if Wyatt...
00:33:50
Reese
Oh what? It's in Philadelphia. Why I don't really and know if Wyatt pins if if Wyatt pinned him.
00:33:54
Cokeley Brothers
Well, because when crazy when crazy sports things happened in Philly, they'd set the city on fire.
00:34:01
Reese
Yeah, I Think if he gets pinned
00:34:05
Cokeley Brothers
Well, I mean, they did it they did it when Spencer got pinned.
00:34:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but but everybody loves Wyatt. Everybody. they stay he's He's like...
00:34:17
Ryne
But who hates on Gable?
00:34:20
Cokeley Brothers
nobody Nobody hates on Gable. This is not because they hate Gable.
00:34:21
Ryne
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying though. I don't think, I don't know.
00:34:24
Cokeley Brothers
i
00:34:24
Ryne
I just just don't think it would be as crazy as you're making it out. I think it would be more like, like a shot shock, shock value.
00:34:29
Reese
I mean I didn't Yeah shocked I think that's is that's that's part of it Makes that makes a sound that emits a noise Are we talking about we so we're talking about deafening we're talking about decibels here
00:34:30
Cokeley Brothers
maybe i'm Maybe I'm biased. Maybe I'm biased.
00:34:38
Cokeley Brothers
But but but then you then you just...
00:34:38
Ryne
I just don't think there'd be, I just don't think there'd be a lot of loud cheering, you know? I mean, obviously if we would be cheering and the Oklahoma State crowd and there would be some cheering, I just don't think it would be as deafening as, as deafening as dude.
00:34:50
Cokeley Brothers
I think it. Yeah, um I'm talking about like I want to cover my ears.
00:34:58
Ryne
Well, I mean, nothing, I mean, you so we're, you're trying to compare it to when Thomas Gilman got pinned by Zeke Moise. That was deafening.
00:35:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Right. That's why I use it as an example. I think I really be just because.
00:35:08
Ryne
I didn't, but why did it, why did they cheer? Why did they cheer so loud?
00:35:13
Cokeley Brothers
I know and in two of the examples I use were Hawkeyes.
00:35:15
Reese
I didn't hate Thomas Gilman, and I still was like, oh!
00:35:17
Ryne
No one hated Thomas Gilman though, Reese.
00:35:20
Reese
Well, people hated Thomas Gilman.
00:35:21
Ryne
No one hated Thomas Gilman.
00:35:21
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:35:22
Reese
People definitely hated Thomas Gilman.
00:35:23
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I
00:35:24
Ryne
Well, you know what I mean? No one like, no, it wasn't because Thomas Gilman lost. It was because he lost in a black and gold singlet.
00:35:34
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know
00:35:35
Reese
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
00:35:36
Ryne
It was.
00:35:36
Reese
There was tons of Hawkeyes there, too. I think it was just loud just because it was exciting. I don't think people were necessarily- I think it's loud because, you know, it's zig-moisy. Just did the- what people didn't think was possible. Same with the rainbows, I guess.
00:35:53
Cokeley Brothers
Right, right. and And same with like Wyatt beating Gable. And maybe I'm wrong.
00:35:56
Reese
That's- yeah.
00:35:57
Cokeley Brothers
But hey, there's only one way to find out.
00:36:00
Reese
It happens.
00:36:00
Cokeley Brothers
He's got to be Gable. It's got to have to happen.
00:36:02
Reese
You gotta pin him.
00:36:02
Cokeley Brothers
And then we'll find out.
00:36:02
Reese
You have to pin him. You can't just beat him.
00:36:05
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, if he pinned him, I can't imagine seeing Gable Stevenson on his back.
00:36:06
Reese
That's what you have to- you have to pin him.
00:36:08
Ryne
No, he would have to.
00:36:10
Reese
Yeah.
00:36:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because it has to be a moment, right? Not like where it's like, oh, it's going to happen.
00:36:13
Reese
Yeah.
00:36:15
Cokeley Brothers
It's going to happen. It's right. It just has to be boom.
00:36:16
Ryne
no it would have to be like He would have to put him on his back and hold him there and pin him.
00:36:17
Cokeley Brothers
He gets pinned.
00:36:20
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, if he had Gable Stevenson in a cradle,
00:36:21
Ryne
If Abel gets off his back, he's never going back.
00:36:23
Reese
Cradle Yeah, what how does he pin Gable well, what does he pin him with I Was I keep thinking picturing fireman's but he doesn't really have fireman's yeah That would be I Feel like it's your best bet
00:36:25
Ryne
He's just going to, and it's only seven, it's only a seven point deficit at that. You know what I mean? Like he's gonna come back from that.
00:36:32
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, so dude, just blast, blast double right to the back.
00:36:40
Ryne
He doesn't hit those though, does he?
00:36:44
Cokeley Brothers
dude
00:36:46
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah. I mean, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of unimaginable things. Like I have, I've literally never seen Gable Stevenson on his back.
00:36:51
Ryne
It's got a bag of tricks though. Why it's, why it does, he does have a bag of tricks.
00:36:56
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:36:57
Ryne
So what about, uh, hold on back to Hodge talk. Where is Jesse Mendez?
00:37:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:37:03
Cokeley Brothers
I think he's somebody that you can't rule out, but...
00:37:04
Ryne
He's been a BP, he's been a BP machine this year, dude.
00:37:08
Cokeley Brothers
Right, and he he just majored Sergio. he's ah He's somebody to keep in mind. I just don't know if he's quite in the conversation with the aforementioned members.
00:37:22
Cokeley Brothers
He's 80% bonus, but 20 and 0, 20 matches. um
00:37:27
Reese
du It's just hard to see it not going to mess and brink At this point No, I don't know why would they give it to gable over mess and break if both of them bonus their way through Yeah, I guess
00:37:31
Cokeley Brothers
Right, because...
00:37:32
Ryne
If it doesn't go to Gable, is that what you mean?
00:37:41
Ryne
Because, because it's Gable.
00:37:41
Cokeley Brothers
Um, I don't know.
00:37:42
Cokeley Brothers
It's Gable. Yeah. Gable is going to vote for himself.
00:37:47
Ryne
And more people will vote for Gable because he's Gable. And that's a brain wrestle.
00:37:50
Cokeley Brothers
Right. It's, it's like, it's like Olympic champ, you know, comes back bonuses through heavyweight. I don't know. Especially dude, especially if he bonuses Kirk and Wyatt.
00:38:02
Ryne
Yeah, and heavy weight, heavy weight is just a stronger weight class in one sixty five to.
00:38:04
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, Yeah.
00:38:07
Reese
oh For sure, but if Mitchell mess and break 100% tech and pins his way that's I Think he's all techs at least minimum Oh How did that happen
00:38:15
Cokeley Brothers
Has he has he not had a major?
00:38:21
Ryne
I saw that he was thirteen and before the I would believe was thirteen to know with
00:38:21
Cokeley Brothers
Let me.
00:38:27
Ryne
ah 11 texts and or pins so that means two of them had to have been majors I Don't know. That's what I that's what I was like.
00:38:36
Cokeley Brothers
No, he got two forfeits, he got two forfeits, two forfeits, two forfeits.
00:38:37
Ryne
I'm trying to figure it out. Oh two forfeits, okay Okay
00:38:40
Cokeley Brothers
All of his matches have but have resulted in tech falls. He got forfeits from Binghamton
Current Season Highlights & Strategies
00:38:46
Cokeley Brothers
in Missouri, which is crazy, I mean.
00:38:51
Ryne
Missouri didn't send out cam steed
00:38:54
Cokeley Brothers
No, this was, Steve got injured resting skulls right before this, like shortly before this.
00:38:57
Ryne
Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. And yes.
00:38:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:00
Ryne
OK. And Nashville. I remember this now.
00:39:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yep, yep.
00:39:03
Ryne
OK.
00:39:06
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. Uh, that's, it is, it is crazy to look at, look at your, your wrestle stat and you just see tech fault, tech fault, tech fault, tech fault, tech fault. That's pretty insane.
00:39:17
Ryne
Except it's not when you look at the weight class.
00:39:19
Reese
The three and the three points two point eight tens But I still think I still think tech fall text every few text everybody slash pins.
00:39:22
Ryne
And yes.
00:39:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:39:25
Ryne
Let's go back to that match.
00:39:30
Reese
I think they're giving it to him Diving in on legs
00:39:32
Ryne
Let's go back to this match, too, real quick.
00:39:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:39:36
Ryne
Bad match tactics on Caliendo's part, like let let the kid like you're trying not to get cut, but you're going to get tech fall if you don't go back up to your feet because of riding time.
00:39:53
Ryne
So what are you doing, dude?
00:39:55
Reese
oh Dropping in on a leg Yeah, how many times did he drop in on a leg?
00:39:56
Ryne
Yes, that's what he was. That's why he got called because because mess and bring.
00:40:02
Ryne
two, maybe three times.
00:40:05
Reese
Hmm I Didn't realize he'd done it that many times because I was like Why did they just hit him for stalling but makes sense?
00:40:11
Ryne
Yeah, they, he, he did it at least twice.
00:40:12
Reese
Yeah
00:40:14
Ryne
I have to go back and see if there was a third, but he did it at least twice. And, but I mean, regardless, it was bad match tactics. Get cut. And then, uh, he's got to hit you for stalling twice for you to get tech to that point.
00:40:27
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Right. Or get, he might get taken down.
00:40:30
Reese
Well, how much time was left in the match?
00:40:30
Ryne
I mean, yeah. you you should
00:40:33
Cokeley Brothers
He got tech with six 40 at six 43. So there's 15 seconds left.
00:40:35
Reese
Oh, seven, yeah.
00:40:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Bad match tactics.
00:40:40
Reese
Could've done it.
00:40:41
Cokeley Brothers
You're not wrong.
00:40:41
Ryne
Whatever I can't complain I can't complain Okay,
00:40:42
Cokeley Brothers
Or wait, wait, wait, wait. Six 24, six 24. I was looking at one 25. So there's 30 seconds left.
00:40:47
Ryne
well regardless I can't complain earned me $150
00:40:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:40:52
Cokeley Brothers
Right. So, uh, one 74, we touched on it a little bit. Levi Haynes beats Patrick Kennedy 10 to three. Just a little bit of a hammer in this match, but stall or stalemate.
00:41:04
Ryne
close close to a major decision there, and and but yeah, there was the the crummy stalemate at the beginning where it looked like, I mean, not saying he was going to get the takedown.
00:41:18
Reese
But they were still wrestling.
00:41:20
Ryne
He was wrestling. They were both were wrestling.
00:41:22
Reese
Yeah.
00:41:22
Ryne
Who knows what could have happened, right?
00:41:22
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah.
00:41:24
Ryne
And that was that was probably ah Kennedy's closest shot at getting a takedown of that match.
00:41:24
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:41:30
Reese
Yeah.
00:41:30
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah.
00:41:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:41:33
Ryne
so
00:41:34
Reese
I was ready, dude, for a little bit in that match up until the first takedown by Levi, I was ready to. To call Carson Hartsha a contender, but then.
00:41:46
Reese
And then he kind of pieced Kennedy up and I was like, oh, well, maybe not.
00:41:51
Cokeley Brothers
I'm still and I'm still interested to see I'm still interested for sure ah Well used yesterday, but yes against against a Bullock or ah No, I know i'm ah Walker Joseph Walker
00:41:51
Reese
We'll see.
00:41:54
Ryne
Well, Carson Carson have a close match today in Michigan.
00:41:54
Reese
Yeah, him and Levi, that that'll be a good match either way. Against Manta, no, not Manta, who's at 74?
00:42:02
Ryne
No, no, but look up pinned. Come on. You got it. There you go. One point win. Correct.
00:42:19
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I think, yeah, three, two, or four, three, something like that.
00:42:22
Reese
Mmm, not good Okay
00:42:22
Cokeley Brothers
I believe. Let me confirm that though. Uh, five, three, five, three. So, but joe Joseph Walker is a very, he's a very sturdy wrestler.
00:42:29
Ryne
Oh, two, okay.
00:42:33
Cokeley Brothers
This ah honestly, this result does not.
00:42:33
Ryne
Hartslow's gonna get, gonna get peaced up by Hamidi if they wrestle. Just saying.
00:42:38
Cokeley Brothers
I, and I think, I think Haynes, I think Haynes could also put it, show a little bit of separation between him and Harshall, but we'll see.
00:42:43
Ryne
and need you to ree I need you to go watch the Michigan match. I need you to go watch it.
00:42:49
Cokeley Brothers
I still, there's still obviously, in my mind, at least plenty of intrigue between Hain. Well, Hartzler and I think Hamady and O'Toole would be beat him up. So, but we'll see with Hain's, cause Hain's is a little bit of a bruiser. ah That could, that could play into Hartzler's favor.
00:43:06
Reese
i Think humidity. I just don't really see anybody picking Carson apart.
00:43:12
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see. I'm not sure yet.
00:43:14
Reese
I Mean him and a tool have wrestled before and it was like the last time the wrestler was super close Yeah It was a while ago
00:43:19
Ryne
He had a tool beat. There was a little bit of, there was a little bit of inconsistency in the officiating in that match.
00:43:22
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, was that at like, was that at NCAAs in 2022?
00:43:31
Cokeley Brothers
22 NCAAs, right?
00:43:32
Ryne
NCAA, NCAA's in 22.
00:43:34
Reese
It was the year after Shane won, so yeah, 22, right, yeah.
00:43:37
Ryne
Mm-hmm.
00:43:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So he lost. So that was in the quarters and then Karchela and Ramirez wrestled in the blood around and that was a crazy close match too.
00:43:41
Ryne
Midi's, Midi's the first time.
00:43:46
Ryne
Mm-hmm.
00:43:48
Cokeley Brothers
I remember all this now.
00:43:49
Ryne
Or oh two, I meant I said I'm ready to tools first
00:43:56
Cokeley Brothers
yes yes yes because uh... because evan wick wick blew it
00:44:07
Ryne
Not this well, I mean, every every way could have blown it in the finals too, so.
00:44:08
Reese
Sure did.
00:44:13
Ryne
And in fact, Shane did blow it in the finals that year.
00:44:13
Reese
That would've been...
00:44:16
Reese
Well, Shane, I feel like Shane wrestled about as good as a match as he could have against O'Toole, and you know, he still got beat.
00:44:17
Cokeley Brothers
right yeah
00:44:22
Reese
That's kind of how I remember that match.
00:44:24
Ryne
He had, he had opportunities.
00:44:25
Reese
And this is a guy who needed him to win.
00:44:28
Ryne
He had opportunities to win that match.
00:44:30
Reese
That's what I'm... I mean, yeah, but I think like O'Toole was clearly the better guy.
00:44:34
Reese
I don't think he
00:44:35
Ryne
Well, I'm not saying O'Toole wasn't better, but I mean, Shane, he blew it.
00:44:39
Ryne
Shane blew it. He had opportunities to win that match.
00:44:39
Reese
i Don't think he blew it While it's fresh
00:44:46
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, one 84, Angelo Ferrari gets the, it gets the nod for, uh, load management for, for Gabe Arnold.
00:44:56
Ryne
So glad we're going to talk about this too.
00:44:57
Cokeley Brothers
We know you're glad.
00:45:00
Ryne
Yeah, so glad.
00:45:01
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right. Uh, Carter Strachey takes, takes the match three, one, no takedowns, uh, a point two escapes, a point for writing time and a point for stalling, which.
00:45:16
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not, I can't decide. Here's here's what I decided actually. this is This is the conclusion that I came to after the match. Because initially when I saw the stall calls go up, one of them, so the first stall call, Angelo is on the edge of the out of bounds and he starts circling, trying to circle back in and Carter continues to stop him and then drives him out of bounds. And I'm like that.
00:45:40
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if that should be called stalling. And if it should, I think it should be called stalling on Carter because Angelo is making an effort to get back in balance, but maybe it wasn't enough of an effort.
00:45:50
Cokeley Brothers
I don't really, I don't, I don't know, but yeah.
00:45:52
Ryne
You know, cause listen, and this is devil's advocate here.
00:45:57
Ryne
Referee said center Carter backs up and Angelo comes in, but not very far. And then kind of, you know, that was the first one.
00:46:04
Cokeley Brothers
This is the second.
00:46:08
Ryne
Wasn't it?
00:46:08
Cokeley Brothers
It is. I think it was a second.
00:46:09
Reese
I don't remember what the first one was like.
00:46:11
Reese
So the first one was like, Abaco was one of these.
00:46:11
Ryne
Listen, Angelo, Angelo immediately ref blows the whistle at the beer.
00:46:17
Ryne
Very good match drops to a knee.
00:46:19
Cokeley Brothers
Drops to a knee. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:20
Reese
Yeah.
00:46:20
Ryne
He spent most of the time on his knee and by the out of bounds line.
00:46:20
Reese
but so ah So was the first one...
00:46:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. yeah and The first one was from from being from being pushed out of bounds.
00:46:29
Reese
Okay.
00:46:30
Cokeley Brothers
For being driven out of bounds.
00:46:30
Reese
And the second one was where he was on the edge.
00:46:32
Cokeley Brothers
Our second one was where you saw a side angle. Angelo's down on a knee. They say center. You see Carter. You know, move backwards and Angelo does not really, does not really come back in.
00:46:39
Reese
and then he walks to the edge
00:46:44
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and so then they, then they hit him that then, and then the point goes up. Here's the conclusion that it came to. I would much rather prefer if I had to pick between a ref calling a stall when it maybe wasn't versus not calling a stall when it was, I would prefer the latter or the, or the, the former, I would definitely rather see them call stalling when it's questionable and
00:47:04
Reese
tim
00:47:08
Reese
I think it was a fine call to us.
00:47:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I'm not.
00:47:10
Ryne
And more and more, I think got it probably, right? Because like, dude, you parked your butt by the out of bounds line and you were on a knee for probably 75 to 80% of the match.
00:47:25
Cokeley Brothers
It's a very, it's a very Ferrari-esque match.
00:47:25
Reese
Yeah.
00:47:27
Ryne
Didn't really have, I mean, had a maybe one or two actual attempts out of, out of, out of leg attack.
00:47:36
Reese
Well, he had a like he got to look he got a lock around the legs twice But I think he's I think he attacked a couple more times than that I i don't know ah Thought he wrestles really well like with as far as you know Tactical stalling goes and do that second stall call He gets hit and you see him look at the ref bro and Carter
00:47:40
Ryne
That's what I mean. by But were they legit attacks or were they just trying to, was he trying to like, you know, play the referee a little bit?
00:48:06
Reese
darts in on the leg Like he was like immediately like took that chance and then then we saw that awesome leg defense What Dude the split the flexibility and yeah being able to being able to dive roll and get get to a leg on card strategy and then and then and
00:48:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:48:12
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:48:15
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, so this is this is the kudos.
00:48:17
Ryne
Rolling under and grabbing the leg.
00:48:27
Cokeley Brothers
That.
00:48:28
Ryne
I'm saying, I'm saying that's easily, that's easily, easily fixable for the next match.
00:48:32
Reese
being able to hold onto the leg with one arm while Carter is at a perpendicular...
00:48:39
Reese
All right, well, that's neither here nor there.
00:48:39
Ryne
Easily.
00:48:41
Reese
I'm just talking about...
00:48:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and then we won't see a next match No, but it was it was impressive.
00:48:44
Ryne
Or will we?
00:48:47
Cokeley Brothers
It was impressive to see ah Angelo Because he hit that dive roll and he hit it multiple times and for it for Carter to not at least not find a correction around it I don't know if he tried or what but
00:48:59
Ryne
Because he was by the out-of-bounds line. If he was in the middle of the match, if it was in the middle of the match, excuse me, then he would have gotten the takedown probably. But you got to be careful when you're by the out-of-bounds line because, you know, you got to...
00:49:06
Reese
Well, this you're you're talking Alabama hypotheticals.
00:49:11
Ryne
How is that a hypothetical? No, it's not, Reece. When you're by the out-of-bounds line, you got to be a little more tactical. You got to maybe pull the guy in a little bit. You can't drive quite as much as you want because you're going to go out-of-bounds.
00:49:23
Reese
He just got up, he got too high up.
00:49:24
Ryne
But if you're in the middle of the mat, you've got more real estate to work with.
00:49:25
Reese
He pulled him up too high.
00:49:29
Reese
That's still a hypothetical, regardless. You can't say for sure that he wasn't gonna get ah You know dive rolled or whatever Well, I can for sure say they probably maybe didn't wouldn't have You just said probably to you do you said the same thing
00:49:35
Ryne
If it would have been in the middle of the mat, I can for sure say that he probably would have gotten a takedown. I'm both of them.
00:49:43
Ryne
You said probably. I could for sure probably say.
00:49:45
Cokeley Brothers
wi All right, where
00:49:47
Ryne
All right. I said for sure he would have gotten it.
Legendary Penn State 184-pounders
00:49:50
Ryne
If it was in the middle of the mat, he would for sure would have gotten it.
00:49:50
Reese
Probably as you have roll the tape roll the tape you said probably I
00:49:50
Cokeley Brothers
we're, we're talking, we're talking, we're just talking what ifs, we're the like, let's let's let's stick to the facts here, right?
00:50:00
Cokeley Brothers
ah Very impressive shot defense by Angelo Ferrari. Was there really an opportunity for him to score? Did we feel like he was in, did, was he, he was in on a shot, dude, and he picked up Carter. I was like, oh shit. Is he gonna, is he about to put down Carter? And then somehow the lock broke. But I mean, I'm excited for Angelo next year. ah He's gonna have,
00:50:28
Cokeley Brothers
Zack Ryder, or I guess if Josh Barr bumps down, is that a thing? Is that, is that a realistic possibility?
00:50:34
Ryne
Yeah. Well, with Marisola coming down, or one of the Marisola's going to be at 197, yes, it's a very, it's a very real possibility.
00:50:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And then, and then, uh, his writer, his writer did write a wrestle 74 this year.
00:50:45
Reese
Thank
00:50:46
Ryne
He, I think he did it once on an open.
00:50:48
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:50:48
Reese
He wrestled, but people think he's going 84 next year.
00:50:52
Cokeley Brothers
Right. So. I don't know. theyre I mean, they have a lock jam that that's, but whoever, whoever writer or bar, whoever it is, that'll, that'll be interesting to see with Ferrari and, um, uh, was there a talk about Cody Merrill wrestling 184?
00:51:08
Ryne
No, I mean, he, he certified, but lots of people certify for lower weight classes, but never can never touch him.
00:51:11
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, dude.
00:51:16
Ryne
So a heavyweight certified for 57 this year.
00:51:20
Cokeley Brothers
We had some crazy certifications at IU when I was there. We had a 6,500 certified for 49 somehow.
00:51:27
Ryne
So yeah, short little fat kid.
00:51:30
Reese
Holy shit.
00:51:30
Cokeley Brothers
That's crazy.
00:51:34
Cokeley Brothers
Um. OK, it's a good match, 197. Steven McKinnon takes out Josh Barr, slows down the bar train. keeps it, it's it's kept to a 4-1 decision, one takedown, two escapes.
00:51:51
Cokeley Brothers
I think Buchanan has shown, i think there's I think there was some separation in this match because it didn't look like Barr was really going to be able to find a way to score.
00:52:02
Cokeley Brothers
That could change though, because I mean, think about to this summer when he beat, he lost to Sinclair and then he he shortly after that, um beats Sinclair in ah in a series.
00:52:05
Ryne
de
00:52:10
Ryne
he him
00:52:12
Cokeley Brothers
so
00:52:13
Ryne
like
00:52:14
Cokeley Brothers
Can't count out, can't count out Josh Barr, but Buchanan is, he's the number one guy right now. And then the other two that you want to keep in mind are Ferrari and Cardenas, but...
00:52:24
Ryne
The size the size matters. Josh Barr clearly could not to get past the size size matters.
00:52:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Buchanan's a big, big dude, big dude for sure.
00:52:34
Ryne
You can't be big and strong.
00:52:36
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm, yeah, and then Kirk takes out Keeter, 12-2, and that's the duel, 30-8.
00:52:47
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, so, ah so here, here's, here's, here's a question that I have from it though, because a lot of are not a lot of, but some people are saying like, this is kale's best team ever.
00:52:47
Ryne
wa wamp
00:52:58
Cokeley Brothers
And I think I don't disagree with it, but I think the ah importance that, that gets lost on some people is best in comparison to the rest of, of the field.
00:53:10
Cokeley Brothers
Right. I think. Everybody else is pretty even, or at least the next tier is, you know, even, I guess maybe not. It's Oklahoma state in Iowa, but it just feels like there's not.
00:53:22
Cokeley Brothers
That, you know, when Penn state goes out there and and dominates, there's always a ah question of like, you have this next team who's really, really good. Um, I just don't think Penn state quies quite there.
00:53:34
Cokeley Brothers
This team for Penn state quite has that. I don't even know what to call it, but.
00:53:39
Reese
I think this is their most complete team ever, for sure.
00:53:44
Ryne
What about 2013?
00:53:47
Ryne
Uh, maybe not.
00:53:49
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:53:49
Ryne
I think 2013 is better dual team though.
00:53:50
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:53:52
Ryne
And I am Oh, they did, but I think this, if you match up, if you do the lineups here, I think you favor 2013.
00:53:56
Reese
But they lost duels that year, didn't they?
00:53:56
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, Hmm.
00:54:07
Cokeley Brothers
Let me take a look here.
00:54:11
Cokeley Brothers
Penn State. Did Russell stat, Russell stat went back to them, right? No, 2014.
00:54:15
Reese
No.
00:54:17
Ryne
Well I can tell you who it was.
00:54:17
Cokeley Brothers
It's too bad.
00:54:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I just would have liked the comparison to the rest of the, um,
00:54:24
Ryne
I'll give you the comparison right now.
00:54:28
Cokeley Brothers
like to the rest. So you're saying, you're saying Penn state 2013 would beat Penn state 2025. Is that what you're saying?
00:54:35
Ryne
In a duel.
00:54:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:54:39
Cokeley Brothers
Is that what you're saying?
00:54:40
Ryne
It'd be close, but maybe I have to, I honestly, I haven't actually gone down it in and done it. It'd be close though.
00:54:50
Cokeley Brothers
Let me take a look real quick.
00:54:50
Reese
I've just never remembered a Penn State team that didn't have really any holes whatsoever Yeah, I mean last year Last year, I guess yeah, I mean that's why they suppose I suppose they did so well
00:54:56
Cokeley Brothers
No holes, Ryan.
00:54:59
Cokeley Brothers
There's a whole list team.
00:55:01
Ryne
Last year, what the whole last year, I guess 25, but.
00:55:02
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of crazy to say that you're a big 10 champ as a whole.
00:55:12
Cokeley Brothers
1 33 would be.
00:55:14
Ryne
yeah about twenty
00:55:18
Ryne
I'm trying to think, did they?
00:55:20
Reese
they They didn't have any other weak weights.
00:55:26
Ryne
97? Maybe. Who's 97 in 2016?
00:55:34
Ryne
Was that?
00:55:34
Cokeley Brothers
So you had, you had, yeah.
00:55:36
Reese
Check. I don't know.
00:55:36
Ryne
Now, Shaq was actually trying to be 20 or 165, but they ended up going with, you're right, 65 might've been a hole because Vincenzo was not in.
00:55:37
Reese
Probably not.
00:55:40
Reese
Down. Yeah.
00:55:49
Ryne
So let me go up a year, 2017.
00:55:50
Cokeley Brothers
So you had, you had the all Americans for Penn State in 2013 were Nico, Megalutis, David Taylor, Matt Brown, um, Ed Ruth, Quentin Wright, and that's it.
00:56:05
Ryne
ah Was that not the year Alton All-American at 57? Was that 20? That was 2014.
00:56:15
Cokeley Brothers
Must've been because it was not 2013. Um, are you talking about James English?
00:56:26
Ryne
No, I'm talking about Dylan Alton took third one year. Wasn't that 2013?
00:56:32
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, no, that was, wasn't 2014 either though. Dylan Alton was around a 16 that year.
00:56:41
Ryne
Dude, 2013 Dylan Alton took third.
00:56:45
Cokeley Brothers
Why am I not reading that there? Yeah. 1 57. I'll external.
00:56:51
Ryne
So it was 2012 then.
00:56:53
Cokeley Brothers
So it's 2012.
00:56:54
Ryne
Yeah, it's 2012, okay, my bad.
00:56:56
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:56:59
Cokeley Brothers
All right. I'm glad to figured it out.
00:57:00
Ryne
So but they had, I'm looking at it from a dual, you know, turn I didn't say tournament team. Tournament team, this team was obviously,
00:57:09
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:57:11
Ryne
But as a duel, you go head to head in duels. You got Nikko, Ghoulabon, Parasol.
00:57:19
Ryne
49 that year was...
00:57:22
Reese
Bites or was it bites?
00:57:26
Ryne
Zach.
00:57:28
Reese
Yeah.
00:57:28
Ryne
I think you're right. Bytes. 57 was Alton. 65 Taylor, 74...
00:57:39
Cokeley Brothers
Forty 49 49 was Frank Molinaro.
00:57:40
Ryne
Brown.
00:57:42
Reese
Oh.
00:57:44
Ryne
And 13.
00:57:47
Cokeley Brothers
2012, you said 2012.
00:57:47
Ryne
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The 2013 dual team talking about 2013, 2013.
00:57:50
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay, okay. Okay, okay.
00:57:56
Ryne
Okay.
00:57:58
Cokeley Brothers
Give me a second. So what what way were you asking about?
00:58:03
Ryne
49.
00:58:05
Cokeley Brothers
149 was Andrew Alton.
00:58:08
Ryne
Okay.
00:58:08
Reese
Oh.
00:58:09
Ryne
So you had both oldens in that year.
00:58:11
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm.
00:58:12
Ryne
Okay.
00:58:15
Ryne
David Taylor, Matt Brown, Ed Ruth,
00:58:21
Reese
You can touch.
00:58:23
Ryne
McIntosh.
00:58:24
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, Quinton writes, Quinton writes.
00:58:26
Ryne
No, no, not McIntosh.
00:58:26
Reese
All right.
00:58:27
Ryne
It was Wright, Quinn Wright went up that year.
00:58:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Now I, but I still think, uh, yeah, Jimmy Lawson, who went, I think he went Owen too.
00:58:33
Ryne
And Jimmy, Jimmy Lawson.
00:58:45
Ryne
That's a five to five duel.
00:58:47
Reese
Five-five run it run it run it down.
00:58:47
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if I agree.
00:58:49
Reese
All right Yeah, why wouldn't you get we Matt Brown and Levi Haynes that's that's Yeah, you don't even have to he'll take it he takes that win
00:58:50
Ryne
twenty For 2013, you got 25, 33,
00:58:59
Ryne
65, coin flip at 74. I'll give him 74. No, no, no. I'll give i'll give Levi Haynes the win over Matt Brown.
00:59:14
Ryne
I'm going, I'm going, I know, I know.
00:59:16
Reese
He does not need a gifted.
00:59:19
Ryne
84, I'm going Edruth.
00:59:23
Reese
Oh, well, I don't know.
00:59:24
Cokeley Brothers
Ooh.
00:59:25
Ryne
97, I'm going Quentin Wright. And then they get the other five.
00:59:29
Reese
Yeah.
00:59:30
Ryne
It's five to So it comes down to bonus points.
00:59:34
Reese
Who is that, who is that 33? That old, for the old squad?
00:59:38
Ryne
Duobahn.
00:59:40
Reese
you So you're you're just giving Gulban the dub over Brayden Davis immediately.
00:59:43
Ryne
Yes.
00:59:43
Cokeley Brothers
who Whoa, whoa, whoa, 133 was Jordan Conway.
00:59:48
Ryne
2013 I'm
00:59:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:59:52
Ryne
you know what I'm still gonna give it to Conway cuz you know who Jordan Conway beat that year in a duel Tyler graph We're acting like Braden Davis is something special here Jordan Conway was good
01:00:05
Cokeley Brothers
I can't. ah No, no, you're right.
01:00:10
Reese
Yeah, but you're still you're I think like the coin flips like there are are there really any coin flips that you're going to to the current team No, yeah, I Would not say 74 is a coin foot He was good, but he won I mean he beat a I mean ham who was it who he beat in the finals he beat
01:00:12
Cokeley Brothers
But I don't know.
01:00:19
Ryne
33 or oh do the current team I would say 74 is probably a coin flip My brown was good dude National champ national champ national champ at 174 174 was probably Hey 174 was about as competitive as it gets during that era
01:00:35
Cokeley Brothers
Welps. It welps.
01:00:38
Reese
You beat whelps in the finals off a locked hands call It's way through it is so much better this year just with the two guys I'm just whelps man is not does not have the The legacy that even you know Levi Haynes already has or Keegan O'Toole
01:00:50
Ryne
This year, sure. This year, sure. But I mean, 74 was deep, was deeper than back then.
01:01:08
Reese
I mean Yeah, I mean like what she'd probably be coke like coke is story Yeah, I just I think Levi I just feel like Levi Haines is this the guy who's he's lost one match Two matches, sorry
01:01:10
Cokeley Brothers
I don't even feel.
01:01:11
Ryne
You're talking about one guy that he beatto he also be other guys that were good that year. Mike Evans, sorely. He's beaten, he's beaten, he beat Chris Perry. He's beaten, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, Brown had great wins.
01:01:28
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Feel free. Feel free to call me crazy here. Feel free to call me crazy.
01:01:39
Cokeley Brothers
I think the little doll and mega ludus matchup. I'm not saying it's a coin flip, but I'm not saying it's a complete shutout either.
01:01:47
Ryne
Oh, no, I mean, it'd be a good match. I'm saying, I'm saying um saying from top to bottom, other than 41 and heavyweight are all fucking great matches.
01:01:50
Reese
Little Omega ludus that was not a coin flip either on what could be an interesting match But you got you got a guy who's similar to all but more disciplined.
01:01:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:02:02
Cokeley Brothers
It's 49 a good match.
01:02:08
Ryne
What do you mean?
01:02:12
Ryne
Yeah, you know, I mean,
01:02:12
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
01:02:14
Ryne
um um
01:02:17
Reese
I feel like we're more consistent and
01:02:17
Ryne
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, this is a little outside of my wheelhouse. Alton went one and two that year.
01:02:27
Ryne
They were injured, those boys.
01:02:29
Cokeley Brothers
Well, they they got to wrestle injured then.
01:02:32
Ryne
and go hurt but They were dangerous. isn't My point is they were dangerous.
01:02:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, his loss was Drake. how His two losses were Drake, Haddish, Haddish, Sheldon, Erica Hollis. Yeah.
01:02:45
Ryne
God, I just think of, I think of that dirty headlock he had against the Lehigh kid and I'm just like.
01:02:49
Cokeley Brothers
The little duck under and then lock.
01:02:52
Reese
Filthiest headlock ever did Not as cool that far off from each other Yeah Yeah Alton was just a us a superior athlete and
01:02:53
Ryne
Can never count the guy out.
01:02:53
Cokeley Brothers
I'm all thrown it.
01:02:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Crouchman did the same thing.
01:02:59
Ryne
Yeah, but it wasn't as clean. It wasn't as.
01:03:01
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Well, cause you can move, you can move so fast when you're a lighter weight.
01:03:10
Ryne
Three weight classes. Two.
01:03:13
Cokeley Brothers
to what 49 to 74. I don't know.
01:03:22
Reese
Every way.
01:03:23
Cokeley Brothers
Alright, okay.
01:03:24
Reese
To like, everybody. do you Where do you watch?
01:03:25
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
01:03:26
Reese
I mean, you don't remember him?
01:03:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't remember I don't I don't I don't remember enough about this era.
01:03:31
Ryne
All right. What about 2017 and 2025?
01:03:34
Reese
Yeah.
01:03:36
Cokeley Brothers
ah Maybe
01:03:37
Reese
They had holes, they had to have had holes. I i feel like I would have remembered.
01:03:42
Ryne
Or, or even even, yeah, 2017.
01:03:42
Cokeley Brothers
Let me.
01:03:44
Reese
Last year, even last year.
01:03:45
Ryne
Well, 25 was a whole big hole.
01:03:48
Reese
Oh, that, yeah.
01:03:50
Cokeley Brothers
2017 yet.
01:03:50
Ryne
ah year in twenty
01:03:51
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, so, so do you have.
01:03:51
Reese
Well, what if we just give Siriano the start but the pre, you know, he he was healthy for most of the season Yeah, he was a true freshman that year No He
01:03:58
Ryne
No, 2017. Not 16.
01:04:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. 2017 was Nick Soriano.
01:04:03
Ryne
I thought 16 was his year.
01:04:05
Cokeley Brothers
2016 17. Was this true freshman year?
01:04:10
Cokeley Brothers
Promise.
01:04:11
Reese
graduated in 2016
01:04:12
Cokeley Brothers
Right, I'm looking at the roster right now.
01:04:13
Ryne
Okay.
01:04:14
Ryne
Right. I believe you. I'm just trying to. Okay. Yeah. You know, you're right.
01:04:14
Cokeley Brothers
It's Nick Suriano, Tristan.
01:04:18
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:04:19
Ryne
You're right. I was trying to, I thought for some reason I thought Nick Siriano was supposed to wrestle in Madison Square Garden, but he, that was Nico Magaludas. He wanted that year. So I was confusing myself.
01:04:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
01:04:28
Ryne
So 2017 next year, you're on a mess and break.
01:04:29
Cokeley Brothers
Nick Suriano.
01:04:32
Cokeley Brothers
Tristan Law. You give Braden Davis the win there. Jimmy Gillibon. Bo Bartlett. Zane Rutherford. Zane Rutherford. Jason Nolf, Jason Nolf. Vincenzo Joseph, Mitchell Mezenbrink.
01:04:50
Reese
Hmm, yeah, I Don't know Levi is giving up one takedown this season He I mean he wanted to I mean he did be Like an all-time all-time all-time guy that he'd once yeah that year for sure
01:04:52
Cokeley Brothers
Probably. Mark Hall, Levi Haynes.
01:04:55
Ryne
Mark.
01:05:01
Ryne
Showtime, Mark Hall. Showtime, Mark Hall.
01:05:18
Reese
But off of headgear pull, I have to say.
01:05:21
Ryne
Well, I'm saying Mark, this is where I dual Mark Hall.
01:05:25
Reese
But you're right. I mean, I get it. This was his first year. He was fucking good. And yeah.
01:05:29
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, yeah, it's a coin flip, but I would lean mark.
01:05:32
Reese
I'm give it as a coin from up there.
01:05:34
Ryne
All right, and the duel is happening in the BJC too, all right?
01:05:34
Cokeley Brothers
I would say 5248 mark.
01:05:35
Reese
View with lean mark.
01:05:39
Cokeley Brothers
But you got they're both Penn State guys.
01:05:41
Reese
no
01:05:41
Cokeley Brothers
ah
01:05:42
Ryne
Yeah, yeah, but who performs better in the BJC? I've seen Mark Hall do some magical stuff in the BJC.
01:05:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:05:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Uh, 184 Bo nickel, Carter, Storachi, Bo. I would say Bo.
01:05:54
Ryne
I'm going, Beau, all day.
01:05:56
Cokeley Brothers
I got Bo. Reese.
01:05:59
Reese
Dude, I don't know. I don't I don't know This is a guy who that he lost in one at 184 Carter structure is not lost since are we doing
01:06:05
Ryne
You three-man round robin, bow, nickel, bow, nickel, Carter Stewart, actually screw it.
01:06:05
Cokeley Brothers
I, yeah.
01:06:13
Ryne
Put in, put in four guys, put in bow, nickel, make it five, bow, nickel, Quentin Wright, Carter Srirachi, Aaron Brooks, and, uh, Ed Ruth, those five 184 pounders who's coming out on top.
01:06:23
Cokeley Brothers
Ed Ruth. He just. Yeah.
01:06:32
Reese
I don't know, good.
01:06:32
Cokeley Brothers
Aaron Brooks.
01:06:36
Cokeley Brothers
Aaron Brooks.
01:06:37
Reese
Again, the guy who was lost at 184.
01:06:41
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, Carter Storachi's wrestled one season. He's not as he wrestled a full season at 184.
01:06:45
Reese
He's also only lost one time in his whole career, or two times actually, sorry, in his whole career.
01:06:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, twice. ah Well, no, it's not too.
01:06:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but I mean.
01:06:59
Reese
I guess Brooks has only lost twice too, huh?
01:07:04
Cokeley Brothers
I think he lost more that, that year, that, uh, 2020.
01:07:07
Ryne
I'm going bow I think bow nickel pins his way.
01:07:10
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I don't.
01:07:11
Reese
No, he only lost to Vens.
01:07:15
Cokeley Brothers
He only lost events. I thought it was some more than Ben's.
01:07:18
Ryne
and so yeah for you know He got beat up 184 by the Iowa State kid, Marcus Coleman.
01:07:19
Reese
No, he just lost to Vens and then three got revenge.
01:07:23
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Oh, well I know it's not quitting, right. And I feel like maybe Ed Ruth is getting counted out a little bit.
01:07:32
Reese
oh Oh yeah, three losses.
01:07:33
Cokeley Brothers
Oh yeah, so a mean VENZ and yeah.
01:07:38
Ryne
mark
01:07:39
Cokeley Brothers
i
Dapper Dan Style Duel Speculation
01:07:42
Ryne
Now this is the best Penn State team ever.
01:07:42
Cokeley Brothers
I...
01:07:44
Ryne
Let's be real. Come on guys.
01:07:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and so another question that was brought up about this team though was, wood would this team in ah in a Dapper Dan style a duel, would they win?
01:07:58
Cokeley Brothers
And I said no.
01:07:59
Reese
Yeah, somebody broke it down and it didn't look good for them.
01:08:02
Cokeley Brothers
No, because they lose they lose 2533 41.
01:08:06
Ryne
Lose.
01:08:08
Reese
What?
01:08:09
Ryne
and It's a coin flip at 25, right?
01:08:11
Cokeley Brothers
No, they know they lose 25.
01:08:12
Reese
Ramos and little doll? You know, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's a coin, but we got to see it. We got to see it. They don't have a dual pretty though, do they?
01:08:20
Cokeley Brothers
I say now what big 10s so um they won't put that's when we will see it.
01:08:23
Reese
Yeah, but okay.
01:08:26
Ryne
I'm just saying 25 is super volatile.
01:08:27
Reese
Maybe we might see them. Maybe.
01:08:30
Ryne
We just saw Ramos have a super close match with somebody.
01:08:31
Cokeley Brothers
That you you
01:08:33
Ryne
I can't remember who it was, but he did recently.
01:08:35
Cokeley Brothers
It is a 25 pounder for Illinois. I'm guessing.
01:08:40
Ryne
Who the heck? No, that was today.
01:08:43
Reese
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say.
01:08:43
Cokeley Brothers
Ryland Ryland. Kailin Riley.
01:08:45
Ryne
That was today.
01:08:45
Cokeley Brothers
Kailin Riley. is How do you say his name?
01:08:48
Reese
I'm not going to say ah it's for sure, Ramos. There's no way it's 125. Well, how could you say it's for sure, Ramos?
01:08:54
Ryne
You can't. That's what I'm saying.
01:08:55
Cokeley Brothers
ah No, no, but so ah the best guy in the country, it could be Ramos, it could be Figgs, it could be Robinson, it could be Spratly.
01:08:56
Ryne
You can't.
01:08:56
Reese
Yeah.
01:09:02
Cokeley Brothers
I think all of them, I would lean towards them over Liladol is what I would do.
01:09:07
Ryne
thirty three
01:09:08
Reese
Well, we're gonna one guy number one verse number ones versus Penn State.
01:09:09
Ryne
written and da i mean
01:09:12
Reese
That's we can go crick them just give it to him Yeah, give him the start
01:09:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so number one right now is is is Ramos. I would lean, I lean Ramos, 33. I don't know because Kirk was number one, but he I don't know if he's healthy, so.
01:09:26
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:09:26
Ryne
33.
01:09:27
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, what?
01:09:28
Ryne
I'm ready to beat Davis too. So.
01:09:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's true. That's true. And if it, okay. All right. Um, mint.
01:09:34
Ryne
Mendoza, Mendez and Bartlett. Bing.
01:09:38
Cokeley Brothers
Mendez.
01:09:38
Ryne
I give it to me. Yeah. I lean Mendez, but it's still going to be close.
01:09:41
Cokeley Brothers
I still coin flip. Yeah. Van Ness Henson.
01:09:43
Reese
It didn't feel like ah very close at the All-Star Classic.
01:09:43
Ryne
Um, maybe not.
01:09:51
Ryne
Maybe Mendez is. three I think, I think everyone dropped.
01:09:51
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
01:09:55
Reese
He's doing like a Liras too.
01:09:56
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
01:09:56
Reese
if If you get, like if if it's a Liras bow, is it a Liras number one?
01:10:01
Cokeley Brothers
It's. No.
01:10:03
Reese
Or do they drop him?
01:10:05
Cokeley Brothers
Because he wasn't competing regularly.
01:10:06
Ryne
Yeah.
01:10:06
Reese
Yeah.
01:10:07
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
Consistency in Competition & Rankings
01:10:08
Ryne
On top ah competing regularly, but Mendez is also looking unbeatable right now.
01:10:08
Cokeley Brothers
That I'm glad I'm glad that this is starting to get.
01:10:13
Ryne
So.
01:10:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I'm glad that this is starting to get factored in terms of consistency is competing regularly.
01:10:14
Reese
Yeah.
01:10:20
Cokeley Brothers
I appreciate that. um
01:10:22
Ryne
Henson Van Ness coin flip.
01:10:25
Cokeley Brothers
No. Do you lean Henson?
01:10:28
Reese
Why do you lean Hinton?
01:10:29
Ryne
You can win.
01:10:29
Reese
He's beaten Hinton.
01:10:29
Ryne
Yeah, sure, you can lean that way. That is to make it not a coin flip match, Sammy.
01:10:34
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. but what So the way I look at it is Henson's beaten. Love it. Love it's beaten Van Ness.
01:10:40
Ryne
and styles matter.
01:10:41
Cokeley Brothers
And in this year, and this year, I know we're taught Van Ness has beaten him.
01:10:43
Reese
Yeah.
01:10:44
Cokeley Brothers
That was two years ago. Van Ness has had to go through an injury and recovery.
01:10:46
Reese
it
01:10:47
Ryne
You know who love it's never beat?
01:10:47
Reese
what Picture the match.
01:10:48
Cokeley Brothers
well
01:10:48
Reese
I want you to picture the match.
01:10:50
Ryne
You know who love it's never beat? Kyle Parker, never beaten him.
01:10:52
Cokeley Brothers
Parco, I get it, I understand. And love it, love it, beat Van Ness, Van Ness, be Parco. I understand.
01:10:59
Reese
Just picture the match.
01:11:01
Cokeley Brothers
I'm picturing the match. Maybe it's bias, or of some sort, I don't know. I see Henson controlling this match.
01:11:08
Ryne
Nope.
01:11:09
Reese
You cannot control Van Ness.
01:11:11
Ryne
You cannot.
01:11:11
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, all right.
01:11:11
Reese
I mean, Rich kinda did, but not really.
01:11:13
Cokeley Brothers
All right, 157, Chapiro Kesak.
01:11:14
Reese
He's already did.
01:11:19
Ryne
How is
01:11:20
Cokeley Brothers
No, come on.
01:11:20
Reese
Yeah, no idea.
01:11:23
Ryne
it not, dude?
01:11:23
Reese
Dude, I've already i've already made my i've already made my stance that I think that's a, those are two contenders. I mean, and I had teamwork in the category too.
01:11:34
Reese
I don't know about it anymore.
01:11:37
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. The next.
01:11:38
Reese
I just don't see Meyer do it. Meyer's not going to do to KSAC what he does to everybody else.
01:11:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think so.
01:11:45
Reese
No.
01:11:45
Ryne
Uh, listen, listen, I thought the world of Shapiro of my Shapiro, Shapiro, excuse me, until he got tech fall by the locket at Olympic team trials. He obviously has some kinks or some chinks in the armor or whatever.
01:11:58
Ryne
Like it's just, it's not, it's not a, it's not a odds.
01:12:01
Cokeley Brothers
Um.
01:12:03
Ryne
This is a match that Meyer's gonna win. Like case I can win that match 100%.
01:12:09
Reese
Yeah. I mean, you, we, you want, you question his, his fortitude sometimes his mental fortitude. And, you know, who has the, the best, you know, who's got, you know, proven mental fortitude is Tyler.
01:12:15
Cokeley Brothers
That's a really, that's a really accurate word to use is fortitude.
01:12:24
Reese
ka
01:12:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay. All right. I mean, all right. Mitch Messenbrink is number one. So he wrestles Michael Caliendo and he teched him.
01:12:33
Ryne
he falls um
01:12:34
Cokeley Brothers
ah Levi Haynes, Keegan O'Toole, coin flip. ah Parker Kekkeisen, Carter Sorachi, coin flip. Steven Buchanan just beat Josh Barr, not a coin flip. And Gable Steeson will beat Greg Kirkley.
01:12:47
Reese
All right, so inconclusive, basically.
01:12:49
Cokeley Brothers
No, i think I think you have so many coin flips in there, you cannot you cannot say that it's, no. i No, you lean all-star team.
01:12:54
Reese
You say you linked Penn State.
01:12:54
Ryne
No, you can't, but you also can't say that Penn State couldn't do it. Penn State can absolutely do it.
01:13:00
Reese
Whoa, coin flips.
01:13:01
Cokeley Brothers
No.
01:13:02
Reese
What do we what do we know about Penn State and coin flip matches?
01:13:05
Ryne
Yeah,
01:13:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, i don i don't I don't give a rip.
01:13:07
Ryne
after
01:13:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't give a rip. I guess, I mean, will we see it?
Championship Chances for Penn State
01:13:11
Cokeley Brothers
We'll technically, in a way, see it in the postseason, right?
01:13:14
Reese
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
01:13:16
Cokeley Brothers
So we'll find out, we'll have our answers. And I'm leading team All-Star.
01:13:19
Ryne
man, I don't know.
01:13:19
Reese
So do we what is it?
01:13:20
Cokeley Brothers
So what requires, what what Penn State has to do...
01:13:21
Reese
I don't I don't How do you find out if you're right or not i that's wrong if they all get first place Or if they get six champs they get six champs
01:13:23
Ryne
I want to join you, Sammy, but I just don't know if I can.
01:13:30
Ryne
Because listen than here, listen here, let's say it comes down comes down, let's say it comes down to five, five and five, and it comes down to bonus points.
01:13:31
Cokeley Brothers
So ah what well what's gonna have to happen?
01:13:38
Ryne
Mitchell Messenbrink is going to put them over the top.
01:13:42
Cokeley Brothers
Probably because he's... Yeah. So this is what Penn State's going to have to do. They're going to have to get five champs and win by bonus or get six champs and and not lose by bonus, which wouldn't happen.
01:13:52
Cokeley Brothers
So.
01:13:52
Reese
Win by how do we factor bonus?
01:13:52
Ryne
Where are the six weights? What are the six weights?
01:13:54
Cokeley Brothers
Huh? However, what?
01:13:57
Ryne
What are the six weights? 49, 57, 65, 74, 84.
01:13:59
Cokeley Brothers
That they win.
01:14:04
Ryne
What's the sixth?
01:14:05
Reese
That's it you got to go 41 to you got to throw if you want it if you want a shot I Think 41 over 41 over 25 I Think blue it all is gonna have to put together a
01:14:09
Cokeley Brothers
25, 25 would be your.
01:14:11
Ryne
Would you do 41 or 25? I disagree with you there.
01:14:21
Reese
I mean, but we already know Bo. He's really got three guys that he has to worry about, in my opinion. And Luke as like 10.
01:14:29
Ryne
Yeah, but Luke's also proven that he can do it in a tournament setting at world.
01:14:34
Reese
bro Bo has proven that he can get all the way up to the finals and get into rear standing.
01:14:34
Ryne
and yeah Sure.
01:14:36
Cokeley Brothers
I think and and have it. Yeah, no. So so what I think what I think what you have to look for here, right, is.
01:14:48
Cokeley Brothers
Bo Bartlett can get there, but can he get over the hump because Jesse Mendez is a big hump right now.
01:14:53
Ryne
Yeah, I think, I think Mendez is a bigger hump than Ramo.
01:14:53
Cokeley Brothers
ah Whereas Luke Lilladall, he's just got to put together five matches, I think.
01:14:58
Reese
Yeah, I mean he would have probably have to be Elira's and Mendez, which that could be tough I mean he will for sure have to really Or he just might have to be Mendez twice yeah
01:15:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:15:05
Ryne
Yeah, he will figure it out.
01:15:07
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
01:15:09
Ryne
Well, and depending on how things go, he might even have to be Hardy.
01:15:16
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because Hardy lost to Apple.
01:15:18
Ryne
And Tagan Jamison.
01:15:22
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Jameson Jameson. We'll see.
01:15:27
Cokeley Brothers
Man, what a wild year.
01:15:28
Ryne
Man. You guys are, you guys.
01:15:30
Cokeley Brothers
It's still plenty of fun, even though there isn't what?
01:15:33
Ryne
You guys are going to have to finish this podcast. I'm going to have to go. I got like i gotta to get ready and go do stuff.
01:15:38
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right. I can. All right. Sounds good.
01:15:42
Ryne
Shout out Dylan Elmore, big win over no Noah Mulvaney this weekend. Thought that was awesome.
01:15:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
01:15:48
Ryne
So good for, good for Dylan, Kansas guy. But anyway, and also, uh, you know, uh, shout out Brandon, uh, Brandon Furman, Furman.
01:15:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yes.
01:15:58
Ryne
Okay. He wants us to talk about the man. So I guys, I hope you guys talk about him. All right.
01:16:04
Reese
The man?
01:16:05
Cokeley Brothers
The man.
01:16:06
Ryne
The man, Brandon Furman wants us to talk about the man.
01:16:09
Cokeley Brothers
Um, yeah.
01:16:11
Reese
Oh, he's he's the man, or?
01:16:14
Cokeley Brothers
Plus they're both men.
01:16:14
Reese
Brendan Fuhrman's the man?
01:16:16
Cokeley Brothers
they're They're both men.
01:16:16
Reese
I don't know.
01:16:21
Reese
Bye-bye.
01:16:21
Cokeley Brothers
Goodbye.
01:16:24
Reese
Where'd he go?
01:16:24
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:16:25
Reese
Oh.
01:16:25
Cokeley Brothers
He's gone. All right, let's let's run through these notable upsets. Ethan Styles, Majors, Jaden Abbess, 18-8, K-Sec over Teamer, if you get over Van D, Elmore over Mulvaney, as he just mentioned, and then Josh Heinsman beat Nick Feldman today.
01:16:41
Cokeley Brothers
um I am starting to worry, well, this wasn't today, it was yesterday, I'm starting to worry about Nick Feldman.
01:16:44
Reese
You're worried about Josh Heimzelman.
01:16:49
Reese
Oh. Yeah.
01:16:51
Cokeley Brothers
Just because, yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not a personal fan of Josh Heinsman, but
01:16:56
Reese
I know, that's why I said that.
01:16:57
Cokeley Brothers
um
01:16:59
Cokeley Brothers
Is Josh Hinesman a problem? No, because I watched him get pinned in 30 seconds by Gable Steveson.
01:17:01
Reese
Are we worried about Josh?
01:17:04
Cokeley Brothers
So I'm not that worried about it.
01:17:04
Reese
Yeah.
01:17:06
Cokeley Brothers
um But yeah, I'm worried about Nick Feldman. He.
01:17:12
Reese
Yeah, he hasn't been really the same.
01:17:14
Cokeley Brothers
He has not shown any level of separation. Amongst people who I thought he would be able to separate himself against.
01:17:18
Reese
He He has really just not shown that he is that guy from the postseason like really even before he got injured or whatever I CKLV He was not not that guy
01:17:27
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
01:17:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he kind of kind of came to life at NCA's last year. um Was. Kind of close to taking down Grey Kirk fleet and then ah took took fifth at NCA's and then that was it.
01:17:41
Reese
yeah
01:17:47
Cokeley Brothers
ah So far this year, he is. ah If I can find him, he is 12 and three. He's only got three losses. He's only got three losses. um medical forfeit to Brett Maurer and Jim, Jimmy Mullen injury to Wyatt Hendrickson. And then his last two matches have been a loss to Ben Keeter and Josh Heintzelman. He is limited. he he He hasn't wrestled every single match. He could wrestle 12 and three. I don't know. We'll see.
01:18:17
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see a heavyweight. It's kind of a fun, it's got a fun tier three, I guess. Cause if you say tier one is Gable, tier two is Greg and Wyatt. And then tier three is the rest of that group. That's a fun, a fun area with Feldman, Trumbull, Schultz, Slavakuski, Mullen, Treffin, Heinselman, Keter, Loughman, Nevels, Runyon, Pitzer, Bullock.
01:18:40
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe not, maybe not all the way down to Bullock, but maybe, maybe I don't know.
01:18:42
Reese
Maybe not all those guys Yeah running and you said running and I was like really but so he's ranked ahead of those guys No What's the deal What's
01:18:45
Cokeley Brothers
Cause Bullock has beaten Slavakuski. So I'm just, uh, this is a Russell stat. So it's a little, uh, quirky, a little bit. Um, yeah, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see what the deal is with Feldman.
Indiana's Victory over Northwestern
01:19:08
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. It's really going to depend on, uh, on how things go during this post season.
01:19:11
Reese
the deal
01:19:13
Cokeley Brothers
So. All right, next is our favorite segment of the episode is the Hoosier Hour. Indiana this weekend takes out Northwestern 25 to 13, even with a couple of matches that did not go their way. But let me run through it real quick. Jacob Moran over Patrick Adams, Angela Rini over Masi Odiati, Henry Porter over Chris Cannon.
01:19:34
Cokeley Brothers
Sam Cartella over Joey Butler, Trevor Chumbly over Ryan Garvik, Max Mayfield over Tyler Lillard, Derek Gilcher over Aiden Vanenbush, Donald Washington over John Halverson, Evan Bates over Gabe Solers, and Jacob Bullock over Dirk Morley. This was their senior night. had a They had two, three, three seniors in the lineup. Rini, Washington, Bullock.
01:20:00
Cokeley Brothers
And then, yeah. um Lillard lost to Max Mayfield. This was his first time losing to him. but It was a match that he definitely could have won. ah and Gabe Sollers was he rode out I can't remember how it how it fully went but he was basically in a position where he could have beaten Evan Bates which I believe would have been an upset um and that would have been a good thing good thing to a good sign for him moving into the postseason so you know what I noticed though ah Northwestern has ah
01:20:34
Cokeley Brothers
a fun name combination. Well, if you know if you know what it's what it's about. So I'm watching Ozark right now, right? And one of the things in it is the Navarro cartel. It's like they do, you know, drugs from Mexico or whatever. And on Northwestern's team, it's they have Sam Cartella and Dedrick Navarro. So I just kind of felt like Navarro Cartella, you know,
01:21:03
Reese
I see what you did there.
01:21:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. No, it's, it's stupid. You don't, you don't have to, it's fine. It was, it was dumb.
01:21:11
Reese
I need freaking sound. I need a sound board. Dang it. so
01:21:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. That'd been, that'd have been perfect time for a little crowd. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, good, good show for the, for the Hoosiers. They have, um, I don't know who's next for them, but yeah.
01:21:35
Cokeley Brothers
Good weekend for the Hoosiers.
01:21:38
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, yeah. And then I got some other notes here.
01:21:39
Reese
You love to hear it.
01:21:40
Cokeley Brothers
We talked about Wisconsin showing, it was showing a little bit of life against Nebraska. That was, that was good to see this next one. I don't really know about, but, uh, I think we mentioned it before on this podcast that, um, Gavin Hoffman started out this year at Lock Haven as a coach.
01:22:03
Cokeley Brothers
And then is now wrestling, I believe is the order of operations that.
01:22:07
Reese
i Just can't believe how long I've heard this name Gavin Hoffman he's his oldest beard I guess it's not that 2018 is there when when they graduated oh
01:22:10
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah, I looked at it. So his first, first year wrestling was in 2019. So he is a red shirt 2020 he wrestled.
01:22:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:22:22
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I guess you're right. But beard also been around for a while. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
01:22:26
Reese
That's what seven seventh year
01:22:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
01:22:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And so he's 12 and two this year.
Gavin Hoffman's Role Transition
01:22:37
Cokeley Brothers
He got, he lost him a sudden victory to Seth Nevels. And then he got, he got pinned by Antonio Ramos from air force. Um, but other than that, he's won all of his matches, not against crazy, good competition. Like we've seen lock haven's schedule. Isn't crazy. Like Wyatt Henson was.
01:22:53
Cokeley Brothers
By hence, it might have been undefeated going into the postseason last year or hey something like that. And people kind of were putting him above where he should be, um especially in the seedings.
01:23:03
Cokeley Brothers
So but I mean, Hoffman's a guy who's finished on the podium before. And so. We'll see is a different weight class, different school. I don't want to rule it out.
01:23:16
Cokeley Brothers
Keep an eye on it. So then yet.
01:23:17
Reese
You love Gavin Hoffman.
01:23:20
Cokeley Brothers
i
01:23:20
Reese
He didn't even wrestle for the Hoosiers, right? It was the other one.
01:23:22
Cokeley Brothers
No, he was, uh, Gary Hoffman was Russell for Indiana.
01:23:25
Reese
The Hoosier, yeah.
01:23:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, teamers sat out today against Maryland and Miguel Estrada burned his red shirt.
01:23:32
Reese
Yeah, that's too bad we didn't get to bring that up to run.
01:23:33
Cokeley Brothers
It was, that was a weird. Yeah.
01:23:35
Reese
He would have loved that.
01:23:36
Cokeley Brothers
Uh,
01:23:37
Reese
He would have not reacted emotionally to that at all.
Bo Bassett's College Choice Speculation
01:23:41
Cokeley Brothers
ah and then Bo Bassett is announcing this week way earlier than I thought he was going to announce it. What, where he's going to college.
01:23:49
Reese
Makes sense like oh, I guess seven that's all what seems I would have thought maybe five I guess is what he would have narrowed it down to Maybe he's like ah Well, yeah, maybe the key just maybe you know catch out of the bag to a degree Yeah
01:23:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I guess I kind of thought we were just going to go. We're just going to go all the way down.
01:24:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, especially when you get Pat Mineo right there. So and and this is who we heard it from and he said. Largest in a deal, I'm guessing in wrestling history.
01:24:18
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and so that starts to point you in the direction of, of particular schools, schools like Iowa schools, like Oklahoma state, um, still possibly Penn state.
01:24:31
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if, do you think that would, they would foot foot a ah big old bag of cash towards him for it?
01:24:35
Reese
i Don't think I don't know we so maneo even also um in those tweets in the comments people were throwing out Schools Rutgers Penn State and he replied directly to those no period They're like it's not Yeah, and I'm like, what are you doing?
01:24:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, which that was interesting, right?
01:24:54
Reese
Did are you what see it makes me think that he's salty Which makes me think it's Iowa
01:24:55
Cokeley Brothers
You're stealing this under a little bit.
01:25:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Dude.
01:25:05
Cokeley Brothers
I'm trying to pull up the tweets right now on my phone. ah And that tracks, I definitely. He doesn't see Pat Mignot doesn't seem ecstatic about
01:25:17
Reese
no No.
01:25:19
Cokeley Brothers
you know, where he's gonna end up, but um very weird.
01:25:24
Reese
And just going out right and saying, telling people, no, that's not where he's going. Like, he's just like, I hear being a poor sport.
01:25:29
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
01:25:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:25:37
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. I don't know. what's What's your final guess? Because we won't record another episode before this.
01:25:42
Reese
I guess Iowa.
01:25:43
Cokeley Brothers
What's your final guess?
01:25:46
Cokeley Brothers
I'm gonna stick with Rutgers and we'll say Ryan said to Oklahoma State. And if one of us three is right, cool. We get part of his NIL deal. that's That's what happens. And if we're all wrong, we owe him we owe him a lot of money.
01:25:56
Reese
30% no no from this podcast
01:25:59
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah. We owe him all of the proceeds that we get from this product. So, yeah. And we talked about the Hodge watch and why it like why people, nobody's really paying attention to anybody other than Mezenbrink, Steveson, Srirachi, but that doesn't mean that it's not possible for other guys. Just those are the three focuses right now. So.
01:26:24
Reese
it Feels pretty impossible with a guy gable steveson who is just I don't know man How's he gonna lose and then you got messing break also?
01:26:28
Cokeley Brothers
It's that there's, there's a magnanimousness to it.
01:26:31
Reese
Yeah pretty crazy Especially I mean it's not like it's weak either like I mean you could definitely say 165 is weak But heavyweight is not
01:26:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Cause dude, a hundred percent bonus at heavyweight. That's pretty crazy. Right.
01:26:42
Cokeley Brothers
It's pretty crazy. So I.
01:26:52
Cokeley Brothers
No. And I don't even really know if 165 is weak. I think Mitchell Mesenbrink might just be that good, but I don't know.
01:26:58
Reese
i Think I think it is I think I mean when you look at it like I think if Haynes and O'Toole were down like if Haynes was at a different school and He was as good as he is now.
01:27:09
Reese
I think Those would be interesting matches.
01:27:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
01:27:11
Reese
I mean not for sure. O'Toole would be an interesting match and Hamity.
01:27:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So there there's just sort of.
01:27:15
Reese
I mean Hamity would you know?
01:27:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, there's just a ravine between mesenbrink in the field that is normally filled by guys like what you said.
01:27:23
Reese
You know 165 is is typically not this week for sure. This is weird. I I mean even like after Caliendo who's after Caliendo that's that's just like that's quite I mean Mikey Caliendo is pretty he's on a tier two island right now that's that tells me that it's weak
01:27:31
Cokeley Brothers
Probably Peyton Hall, right?
01:27:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Peyton. Peyton Hall is undefeated so far this year. He's 21 and 0. His best win is probably Cam and Mean. But then, so yeah, it's Mezzanbrink, Caliendo, Peyton Hall, Terrell Barrowclaw, Julian Ramirez, Cam and Mean, Hunter Garvin, Drake Rhodes.
01:27:59
Reese
yeah Yeah, Drake Road Jeff.
01:27:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:28:00
Reese
I mean that's the eight-spot right Drake roads.
01:28:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But this, again, this is a wrestle stat, so maybe this is not quite...
01:28:07
Reese
Oh Yeah
01:28:08
Cokeley Brothers
Let me hang on. Let me pull up the real rankings.
01:28:12
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, Oh, one 65. Mezenbrink, Caliendo Hall, Barakla, Ramirez, Amin, Will Miller, Chris Minto.
01:28:25
Reese
so did mint mint that who's he been
01:28:29
Cokeley Brothers
Um, Minto, Minto, Minto. He's 11 and one this year.
01:28:32
Reese
He beat Mantonona.
01:28:34
Cokeley Brothers
He beat Mantonona recently. He beat Andrew Sparks, Jack Thompson. Uh, or no, no, no, no. He lost to Jack Thompson. Correction. Uh,
01:28:45
Reese
So yeah, I mean, you got a guy who, he's a freshman, right?
01:28:49
Cokeley Brothers
yep.
01:28:50
Reese
Just, just coming in, no one, I mean, I don't know who this guy is and he's already all American contention.
01:28:58
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah. He's a, yeah. Richard freshmen 11 and one has, uh, lost to Jack Thompson, beaten Tyler Lillard earlier in the year, but really so it's Lillard sparks and Mantonona is his wins and they have met eighth.
01:29:09
Cokeley Brothers
I think that's generous.
01:29:11
Reese
Well, I think that's just I think it's more telling why I mean pat what is Patty Gallagher done really Tough tough look make me sad
01:29:12
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if I would put him above Patty Gallagher. Yeah. Yeah. Even, even, even still. Right. He should probably be damp. Cause yeah. Cause right after Patty Gallagher is by Mantonona.
01:29:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
01:29:32
Cokeley Brothers
This is tough, man. This is not a great weight class right now.
01:29:39
Cokeley Brothers
Sad weight, sad weight, but maybe it'll get better.
01:29:40
Reese
We need a what's his name to come in immediately lock it.
01:29:44
Cokeley Brothers
Little Darian. Yeah. Maybe a PJ Duke or is he a 57 pounder?
01:29:47
Reese
Yeah PJ Duke. Oh, I mean always Penn State freakin Penn State So
01:29:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Right. Right. Forgot. Okay. And then the, the last thing on the docket here, we got a photo.
01:29:58
Reese
lame What are they gonna do man
Titus Godbolt's NCAA Selection
01:30:04
Reese
what they're so screwed I Don't know just I was just thinking about Penn State.
01:30:05
Cokeley Brothers
What Penn state, their lineup.
01:30:09
Reese
Yeah
01:30:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Uh, Brandon Furman sent a photo. He sent a photo to me and he sent it to Ryan. I don't know if he sent it to you Reese. I don't even know if he has your number.
01:30:18
Reese
and I've never had any contact with Brendan Furman.
01:30:22
Cokeley Brothers
It was a a screenshot of an Instagram post from tyrant wrestling and it's a Bo Bassett getting his hand raised.
01:30:29
Reese
oh
01:30:32
Cokeley Brothers
Longtime tyrant wrestling official Titus Godbolt, one of the greatest names in wrestling officiation right now has been selected as an official of the 2025 NCA division one wrestling championships.
01:30:43
Cokeley Brothers
So you can, you will see Titus Godbolt at NCAs this year out in Philly. Um, If you're a fan of the podcast, you're a fan of Titus. So that's the way it works.
01:30:54
Reese
um was Just the rules Yeah You can tell by the back of my bum can tell that the time has come She doesn't get that dark for you No No, what would it be
01:30:55
Cokeley Brothers
There's the rules.
01:30:58
Cokeley Brothers
And yeah, that's all I got. So it's getting dark, dark in your room.
01:31:09
Cokeley Brothers
It's only five 40. How is it so dark?
01:31:16
Cokeley Brothers
Think it's it gets darker for me, but it's Reese. I'm further east That's part of it though, isn't it but also so the This is a this is this is a west facing window you're in a north facing window There you go, that's why
01:31:23
Reese
oh Yeah, I was thinking north versus south Yeah, but east probably has more of a more of an effect because you're right by the Sure did
01:31:43
Cokeley Brothers
um Okay, thanks. Thank you everybody for listening to the podcast. I hope you had a good time ah because I know we had a good time Like we always do so Dude you razz him up so easily and then sometimes I get scared Sometimes I get scared so all right ah Yes, as we do we do as we are brothers.
01:31:51
Reese
giving Ryan the Rise and Rhine. I love Rise and Rhine. ah
01:31:59
Reese
yeah We all love each other.
01:32:06
Cokeley Brothers
So See you guys on the next episode. Bye. Bye
01:32:09
Reese
and b