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Session 54 - The Cyclone Shuffle and Nittany Lions Near Record
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We recap the last week of dual results in wrestling. We examine how the Iowa State lineup can shake out moving into the second semester, a pair of California teams grabbing impressive dual wins and Penn St coming six points short of a perfect dual.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Weekly Highlights
00:00:08
Ryne
On roll off. Let's just roll.
00:00:12
Cokeley Brothers
Where are we going to?
00:00:15
Reese
Where are we going? I don't know, you tell us.
00:00:15
Ryne
Autobots roll out.
00:00:19
Cokeley Brothers
Let's roll right on up to the results from this week. What do you say?
00:00:22
Ryne
I'm down.
00:00:24
Cokeley Brothers
There's not a whole lot to look at really, but, um, Thank you, man.
00:00:28
Ryne
Some shit went down today. Some stuff went down today.
00:00:33
Cokeley Brothers
Not even half a minute, not even half a minute.
00:00:38
Ryne
Family friendly here.
00:00:38
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, family friendly, where to start.
Ohio State vs Pittsburgh Discussion
00:00:43
Cokeley Brothers
I think, I think the best place, the, I think the best duel that we got this weekend or this week, I guess would be bed or no, no, definitely Ohio state Pittsburgh.
00:00:58
Ryne
Yeah, that's the best door. By far.
00:01:00
Cokeley Brothers
This is the best duel.
00:01:02
Ryne
Hey, give me one second.
00:01:03
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, give him a second.
00:01:03
Ryne
One second.
00:01:04
Reese
yeah Give him a second, but just also just just tell let's just talk about the why is it that's always such a um it feels like it's always kind of tight Didn't they beat Ohio State one year
00:01:09
Cokeley Brothers
Let's run through it real quick, right? Ohio state took out Pittsburgh 20 to 17, which I don't think most people dude. Yeah. And, uh, there was one year where they beat Ohio state and it was very unexpected. Let me see if I can pull that up. Uh,
00:01:34
Ryne
Pretty sure they beat Ohio State last year, didn't they?
00:01:36
Cokeley Brothers
was it last year? I don't know if it was last year.
00:01:39
Ryne
All right, it's been two years. It was recent.
00:01:42
Cokeley Brothers
Let me try and.
00:01:45
Ryne
It was Mendez got beat by Cole
00:01:48
Reese
Cole Matthews was at the same door.
00:01:50
Ryne
Matthews.
00:01:50
Reese
Was it though?
00:01:51
Ryne
i think I thought it was. Maybe it's not. I might be confused.
00:01:55
Cokeley Brothers
That might be that you might be mixing things there.
00:01:58
Reese
Wasn't that last year?
00:01:59
Cokeley Brothers
But I.
00:01:59
Ryne
Yeah, that was last year. That's what I'm saying.
00:02:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, but I think ah I think that happened, but they still won that duel, so I'm trying i'm trying to pull up the results right now.
00:02:05
Ryne
Ohio State won that.
00:02:10
Reese
um Maybe they won when Nino was a champ that feels right.
00:02:15
Ryne
Sammy, you want me to tell you a secret?
Using Trackwrestling for Results
00:02:17
Ryne
You can find all the results on track wrestling.
00:02:17
Reese
I
00:02:18
Ryne
It's real simple.
00:02:20
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Run me through it here. I'm going to track wrestling.com right now. Let's, let's, let's educate the people on how to find quick, uh, dual results on track wrestling.
00:02:26
Ryne
OK, go to browse.
00:02:31
Cokeley Brothers
I'm there. Uh-huh.
00:02:33
Ryne
Hit seasons.
00:02:35
Cokeley Brothers
Seasons college men.
00:02:36
Ryne
Hit, okay, go to last season. Hit more seasons, go to 23, 24. College men.
00:02:50
Cokeley Brothers
Governing body in CIA login.
00:02:51
Ryne
And you got it.
00:02:57
Ryne
No, don't hit, yeah. ah you're like yeah I can hit log in, it's fine. I say enter normally, but they're the same thing.
00:03:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:03:04
Cokeley Brothers
Now I'm going to hit control F to find Pittsburgh.
00:03:07
Ryne
No, no, no, no, no, no, hit teams.
00:03:07
Cokeley Brothers
That didn't work teams.
00:03:15
Cokeley Brothers
Now I'm going to find Pittsburgh.
00:03:17
Ryne
or Or Ohio State, either one.
00:03:20
Cokeley Brothers
Whichever one comes first, I have passed both of them.
Historical Match Upsets
00:03:25
Cokeley Brothers
All right, here we are Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Ohio state, Pittsburgh, one 21 to 13 last year.
00:03:37
Ryne
Jane is the greatest!
00:03:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Camacho beat Brendan McCrone. Cole Matthews beat Jesse Mendez. Holden Heller beat Isaac Wilcox. Reese Heller beat Gavin Hoffman. Max Stout beat Luke Giac and Dayton Pitzer beat Hogan Swensky.
00:03:53
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:03:54
Ryne
How's the door?
00:03:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. But this year, there are some things to look at, but my results page has frozen on me.
00:04:05
Reese
this guy is struggling you laughing?
00:04:06
Cokeley Brothers
So I think the most notable thing is the most notable thing is obviously, uh, Sammy Sasso losing, right?
00:04:07
Ryne
yes
00:04:12
Ryne
so you i I was at you, Reese.
00:04:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Sasso lost a 13 11 match. This is, uh, I feel like this happened earlier in the year where he, he.
00:04:20
Reese
is that a silent laugh run? you're laughing at the gunshot the gunshot victim hey let's let's hey I would like to make it clear for the record Ryan thinks gun violence
00:04:31
Ryne
You're laughing at the gunshot victim. ah
00:04:33
Reese
it thing It thinks gun violence is cool.
00:04:37
Reese
um And I do not think so. I have to disagree with you. I disagree. Better be known.
00:04:37
Ryne
i' have
00:04:42
Ryne
Oh, gun violence on animals is cool. That's it, Reese.
00:04:49
Reese
Only the cool ones.
00:04:49
Ryne
Only animals that you eat.
00:04:50
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:04:54
Ryne
and The dogs are cool.
00:04:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, this is this is
00:04:55
Ryne
No gun violence on dogs.
00:04:56
Reese
You're right. I meant the ugly ones. Only the ugly ones.
00:05:00
Cokeley Brothers
This is definitely an an interesting duel because Ohio State won the first five matches. They won 125 through 157. They got a major and a tech at 33 and 41 respectively. And then that was ultimately the difference maker because, uh,
Match Analysis and Critique
00:05:13
Cokeley Brothers
Pitt won 65, 74, 84, 97 and heavyweight and they got, they got a tech fall in the finals. Uh, so the, the difference maker, well, oh, 57 was a major decision for Ohio State as well. So that, that, that was your difference maker right there. Oh, and 25 was a major.
00:05:30
Cokeley Brothers
ah But yeah, Sammy Sasso losing to Jared Kessler. I feel like this happened earlier in the year where he went down big, like he gave up a lot of points and then was behind and just had to come back. So.
00:05:43
Reese
Derek Fields at Cliff King.
00:05:43
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I don't know if.
00:05:46
Ryne
Not strong enough for the weight class, Bellas.
00:05:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:05:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so.
00:05:49
Reese
Yeah, we all talked about that last week.
00:05:52
Cokeley Brothers
We did actually, I'm not going to lie, so I.
00:05:52
Reese
We talked about that.
00:05:52
Ryne
Not strong enough.
00:05:54
Ryne
Getting weaker. Getting weaker by the match.
00:05:57
Reese
That's so mean.
00:05:57
Cokeley Brothers
i was listening I was listening to last week's episode because Katie was telling me that the audio sounded weird, and then like you could hear me, but you couldn't hear other people, and then sometimes you couldn't hear me, but you could hear you guys. It sounded fine, by the way.
00:06:09
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:06:10
Reese
So what's she smoking?
00:06:13
Cokeley Brothers
it's her I think her car just plays audio in a weird way. I think it tries to do it like in this immersive room-filling way, and it's like, dude, we're in a car.
00:06:16
Ryne
OK.
00:06:20
Cokeley Brothers
Just play just play the sound. ah But yeah, i mean so I think i think for Sammy Sasso, the the the idea should be weather the storm, slow things down, stay conventional for the first two, three minutes. And then after that, wrestle. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe that's a bad idea too. I don't know.
00:06:39
Ryne
What do you know?
00:06:42
Cokeley Brothers
Exactly. But the rest of this the rest of this duel was ah pretty much chalk. D'Amelio showed up, he wrestled this duel. has this Is this his season debut?
00:06:58
Reese
He didn't wrestle last week I guess he didn't wrestle last week did he he wasn't there Yeah,
00:06:59
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if he's wrestled before this, um, D he did not wrestle to see KLV.
00:06:59
Ryne
I'm not sure.
00:07:06
Cokeley Brothers
I know that. Uh, but I feel like he might've wrestled in some of the duels earlier this year.
00:07:10
Reese
yeah
00:07:11
Cokeley Brothers
He's oh, he's eight. No. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:15
Ryne
Yeah, yeah.
00:07:16
Cokeley Brothers
um Yeah.
00:07:17
Ryne
Yeah, yeah.
00:07:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:07:19
Reese
yeah yeah
00:07:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But for, yeah, I mean, all the ranked wrestlers, aside from, uh, from Sammy's asset, the ranked wrestlers or higher ranked wrestlers all won their matches. Reese Heller had a, had a tough one with Seth Schumet. So maybe, maybe Schumet's going to be the guy for the, for the Buckeyes this season.
00:07:34
Cokeley Brothers
Rada Rogotsky was wrestling up at one 97. Um, are they gonna, why would they do that?
00:07:43
Ryne
What do you mean?
00:07:45
Cokeley Brothers
But has he registered it already?
00:07:47
Ryne
Ryder?
00:07:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:07:49
Ryne
He was a true freshman last year.
00:07:51
Cokeley Brothers
So, but so now he's not registering this year.
00:07:54
Ryne
He's not.
00:07:55
Cokeley Brothers
Like you can't, right?
00:07:57
Ryne
When did he, when is he wrestled?
00:07:59
Cokeley Brothers
He just wrestled in this duel.
00:07:59
Reese
He just Geog
00:08:00
Cokeley Brothers
He just wrestled up at one 97.
00:08:01
Ryne
Oh, Rogotsky did. Well, there you go. Maybe, maybe Geog's hurt.
00:08:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:08:06
Cokeley Brothers
Must be right.
00:08:07
Ryne
Has Geog wrestled at all this year?
00:08:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. He wrestled last week.
00:08:12
Ryne
Maybe Geog's hurt. I don't know.
00:08:13
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. Interesting. Is it geog or geog?
00:08:19
Ryne
I don't know.
00:08:20
Cokeley Brothers
Ooh, he did get injured against, he got injured against Evan Bates at the CKLV. So that's probably what happened, right? But I guess maybe, maybe Rugazzi's going for it. I don't know. Okay.
00:08:38
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:08:39
Ryne
They did say that he was going to be a 97 eventually.
00:08:43
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know though. Looking at is looking at him, does he does he feel like he's,
00:08:48
Ryne
I think it fell.
00:08:49
Cokeley Brothers
He just feels like it doesn't feel right.
00:08:52
Ryne
He's pretty lanky, isn't he?
00:08:54
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if he's that lanky. I know I know his brother, his brother's not for sure. His brother is dropping down to 74. Well, he already has his wrestled 74 this year.
00:09:03
Ryne
Yeah, well.
00:09:03
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:09:06
Cokeley Brothers
Brothers are different, though. We all know this.
00:09:10
Cokeley Brothers
OK, next next duel we can take a look at is Bedlam, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma.
00:09:11
Ryne
Tall street.
00:09:17
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, this is, this was David Taylor's first bedlam and, uh, went pretty well for a, yep.
00:09:22
Ryne
and I'm going to go ahead and say it. I'm going to go ahead and say it. It should have been 10-0 in matches.
00:09:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. So Oklahoma state one 35 to three, the, the one match result that, Oh, you one was William McDougal beating Carter young in writeouts.
00:09:28
Ryne
was
00:09:36
Cokeley Brothers
Um, there's a lot to talk about in that match. So why don't you get us started?
00:09:41
Ryne
I'm officiating with pore. Piss pore.
00:09:45
Ryne
piss poor.
00:09:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, there were.
00:09:46
Ryne
How are you going to call? How you gonna i mean are you not going to hit Willie McDougal for stalling not one time in regulation? Not one time. And he took two shots, I think?
00:09:57
Ryne
One legit one, and maybe another half one. versus And Carter got in on the legs how many times?
00:10:04
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:10:06
Ryne
Willie used the hardwood too to his advantage. and And you know what?
00:10:14
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:10:16
Ryne
Kudos to him. Really, he had a good game plan. This is the referee. The referee lost all control of that match.
00:10:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, Carter young was up.
00:10:27
Ryne
The second stop call should have never been called, ever.
00:10:32
Cokeley Brothers
Right. So, so Carter young was up six to four in the third period and got hit with stalling twice to send it into overtime in 10 seconds to send it into overtime six or yeah.
00:10:37
Ryne
In 10 seconds.
00:10:43
Cokeley Brothers
Six to six. Nothing happens in the, in the first two minutes of overtime. No, they don't score on each other gets warned.
00:10:49
Ryne
Well, he gets, Willie gets hit for stalling and the referee, the referee being as dumb as he is already thinks he hit Willie sometime in regulation, which he didn't.
00:11:01
Ryne
So he gives the one point to Carter trying to give Carter the win and it's like, no, dude, that's his first stalling.
00:11:05
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, no, no.
00:11:07
Ryne
Did you not see that? Yeah, he hits Willie.
00:11:10
Cokeley Brothers
So didn't I didn't get the chance to actually watch this match.
00:11:12
Ryne
Hits Willy for his first stalling, gives Carter his one whatever, i'm not supposed to, will and Carter takes his stuff off, and then the OU coaches are like, that's his first warning, and yeah.
00:11:13
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:11:24
Cokeley Brothers
okay
00:11:25
Ryne
Another thing, I didn't know that there was not and like another period on your feet anymore.
00:11:25
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. And.
00:11:32
Cokeley Brothers
that's That's been the rule for two, three years now?
00:11:35
Ryne
No.
00:11:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yes.
00:11:37
Ryne
It's only been the worst.
00:11:37
Reese
no more No more second second overtime?
00:11:39
Ryne
ah So how long has how long has it been the two minute overtime period, Sammy?
00:11:46
Cokeley Brothers
Two or three years?
00:11:47
Ryne
No.
00:11:47
Reese
Only three or four.
00:11:48
Ryne
It's the second season.
00:11:50
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I'm pretty sure it was the that was the case when I was my last year of of college. I'm pretty sure.
00:11:55
Ryne
This is either the second, maybe the third season that they've done the two minute overtime period.
00:11:56
Cokeley Brothers
It was a...
00:12:00
Reese
Oh, definitely more than two seasons, bro. We haven't had that longer than two years.
00:12:05
Ryne
Really?
00:12:05
Cokeley Brothers
Pretty sure. Pretty sure.
00:12:07
Ryne
But when do they get rid of the the second overtime period on your feet then?
00:12:09
Cokeley Brothers
The same year, the same, but they revamped the the overtime system, like all at the same time where they gave, where they put two minutes on your feet. And then it's just 30 second write outs.
00:12:17
Ryne
That's crazy because I feel like I feel like I've still seen kids go to their feet afterwards.
00:12:18
Cokeley Brothers
If the writing time advantage still see kids go to their feet afterwards.
00:12:21
Reese
du That's what I thought I thought yeah, that was still a thing After the writeouts Hey, yeah No, no even when that they don't do that
00:12:28
Ryne
Even riding time advantage, you still see them go to another period on their feet.
00:12:33
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah, that that has it's super rare. Like if you get two, two write outs, two full 30 second write outs or they just.
00:12:40
Ryne
No, no, no, no, Sammy, Sammy. Even when someone has the writing time or criteria or whatever, i've we've still seen them go into the one minute.
00:12:45
Cokeley Brothers
Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:12:51
Cokeley Brothers
Not supposed to, at least it's not supposed to be the case. Um.
00:12:55
Ryne
I mean, even my boss my boss was even confused. He was even like, I thought they were going another one on their feet too. And it looked like that's what Carter thought.
00:13:05
Cokeley Brothers
No, this is this has been the the rule for a couple of seasons Yeah let me see.
00:13:10
Reese
I didn't realize that they had gotten rid of the second on your feet over time either.
00:13:18
Reese
But it definitely feels like it it definitely feels like the two minute has been ah around for at least three seasons.
00:13:18
Ryne
Next, I'm telling you it hasn't been, I'm telling you it hasn't been the rule.
00:13:25
Reese
I don't know.
00:13:26
Ryne
Maybe, maybe, maybe three.
00:13:26
Reese
Now I don't know. Yeah.
00:13:29
Ryne
No more than three.
00:13:30
Reese
Probably not.
00:13:31
Cokeley Brothers
Let me see if I can um
Rule Changes and Confusion
00:13:35
Cokeley Brothers
if I can give you guys an exact time of when this all changed. um In the meantime, what was your but how did you feel about ah Carter Young's decision to um go underneath?
00:13:55
Ryne
That's what I'm saying. That's my point.
00:13:58
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, what's your point?
00:13:59
Ryne
is and don't think he I think he thought he would be okay if he got ridden out.
00:14:03
Cokeley Brothers
Oh. oh
00:14:04
Ryne
I think he thought he was going to another period on his feet, so he we was fine going underneath if he got ridden out.
00:14:12
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm.
00:14:13
Reese
Dude, I feel like it's an all-star classic. I feel like Zach Bronigal and Stephen Little went and did two overtimes on their feet. I don't know, but maybe not. But that's what I feel like.
00:14:27
Cokeley Brothers
I'm trying. I'm really trying to get you guys the answers for when this this rule change happened. um
00:14:33
Reese
You know, Speaking of oh my this is maybe maybe too far off subject But it is related to overtime right outs blah blah blah tad foresight, you know who tad foresight is, right?
00:14:47
Cokeley Brothers
Kansas kid, Kansas kid.
00:14:48
Reese
Dude this kid You know as much as I don't really like the way he wrestles He is really really good and like just really slippery and tough to take down and tough to score on just in general.
00:14:59
Cokeley Brothers
This was.
00:15:00
Ryne
Did he win it this weekend?
00:15:01
Reese
No, he he lost to a guy who was very good that wouldn't ultimate tiebreaker and He ended up locking his hands tab dead on top.
00:15:11
Ryne
oh oh
00:15:12
Reese
Yeah Yeah, so dude he would time what he was doing was he was timing the stand up He timed the stand up and he would like lock and cinch as tight as possible and he must have timed it too quickly I didn't I couldn't really tell but Dude this kid was definitely like I would say better than him and he just you know He's really good at finding a way He's probably spent 30 seconds before the start of the old of the tiebreaker Pleading with the officials and the coaches to wipe ah His opponent like wipe his arms But you know no wipe the other dudes arms He was like like looking all around like you know But they were like nah
00:15:48
Ryne
Tad's arms? Oh, Tad was... deple Okay, okay.
00:15:59
Ryne
Yeah, what?
00:15:59
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay. So, so I have, I have your answer here. This was posted November 5th, 2021. And this, it's about the two minute overtime rule change as well as, uh, let me read what, let me just read what it says. Uh, matches tied at the end of the first two minutes sudden victory. We'll go to the same tiebreaker pattern of two 32nd periods. Any you wrestler with a writing time advantage, uh, even a second of writing time advantage will be declared the winner after the first tiebreaker. If neither wrestler scored a point.
00:16:27
Cokeley Brothers
Um, and then if it's still tight and there's no advantage, then they will move forward with one minute of sudden victory.
00:16:31
Reese
Okay, so it is still there is still a second Yeah, yeah, yeah, right Yeah they they don't have tiebreakers at all ever oh
00:16:32
Cokeley Brothers
So that was, if, but, but if there is no writing time advantage.
00:16:32
Ryne
So ah three seasons.
00:16:36
Ryne
If the writing time is the same.
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:16:39
Ryne
Yeah, which that's always been, that's been the rule for forever.
00:16:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:16:43
Cokeley Brothers
For forever. Yeah. You can, I mean, dude, a wrestling match could go on for literally forever if they.
00:16:45
Ryne
the I've watched i've watched i watched a call addressing match go into multiple overtimes because the two dudes kept writing each other out.
00:16:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:16:56
Ryne
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Reese, listen, okay.
00:16:59
Reese
i Know what you're saying.
00:17:01
Reese
I thought they had I thought they had an ultimate tiebreaker still no That's a twenty
00:17:01
Ryne
Okay.
00:17:01
Ryne
but then No. No. You just go until someone has a writing time advantage or until someone has a point advantage.
00:17:11
Cokeley Brothers
So this was decided the summer of 2021. So the the first season that happened was 21-22, which was my last season of college.
00:17:19
Ryne
I thought you just said November 21. Wouldn't that make it to 22, 23, 24?
00:17:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:17:26
Cokeley Brothers
This is like an article breaking down the rule changes that they enacted in the in the previous summer.
00:17:27
Ryne
and of
00:17:30
Ryne
So it's been there for three. So it's been there for three seasons.
Wisconsin's Wrestling Challenges
00:17:32
Ryne
This is the fourth season.
00:17:33
Cokeley Brothers
For the 22, 23, 24 season.
00:17:36
Ryne
That's what I said.
00:17:37
Cokeley Brothers
So it's been there for three seasons. Yes.
00:17:39
Ryne
That's what I said.
00:17:39
Reese
that's what i said
00:17:40
Reese
actually
00:17:40
Cokeley Brothers
Well, that's what we said.
00:17:41
Cokeley Brothers
And you did.
00:17:41
Reese
yeah asop yeah
00:17:42
Cokeley Brothers
You said, no, that we didn't, that that wasn't the case.
00:17:44
Ryne
I thought it was two. My bad. I was off by a year.
00:17:50
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right. Well, anyway, uh, yeah, so that was the one match that Oklahoma state dropped to Oklahoma controversy involved in it. Of course, aside from that, I mean, I think the next closest match was Dean Hamady taking out Gavin Sacks four to zero.
00:18:05
Reese
That's what I said,
00:18:07
Ryne
yeah I mean, did you watch so did you watch any of it, Sammy?
00:18:09
Reese
actually. Yeah.
00:18:11
Cokeley Brothers
No, I did not, not this duel. No.
00:18:11
Ryne
Like, any of the wrestling?
00:18:13
Ryne
Oh, I mean, OU's team, their entire team, their entire game plan was, hey, keep the match as close as you possibly can and try to win it at the end.
00:18:24
Cokeley Brothers
That's annoying.
00:18:25
Ryne
That's what every single one of their guys tried to do. Except for Cleveland Belton.
00:18:28
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, I, yes.
00:18:29
Ryne
Except for Cleveland Belton.
00:18:30
Cokeley Brothers
I saw that. That was a great, I liked the, I watched the first 30 seconds of that match and the last 30 seconds of that match. And that was great. So, uh, yeah, that's.
00:18:37
Ryne
Yeah. But I mean, Gavin Sacks got in on the legs zero times on zero shots, by the way.
00:18:47
Cokeley Brothers
That's annoying and tape pic close down at one 65.
00:18:49
Ryne
He just.
00:18:51
Ryne
Yeah.
00:18:51
Reese
well
00:18:52
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, Oh my camera mean opened up.
00:18:52
Ryne
And he I mean, like I said, kept it close and then until the third got tired and Amina opened up and.
00:19:00
Reese
Whoa Opened up Did he what he was all okay, so people saying that he is the new will he's always been Will the one he has always been the same as Will the one I don't know why people Always since the start of his college career.
00:19:01
Cokeley Brothers
He's not will do one. Thank God.
00:19:04
Ryne
And then.
00:19:09
Cokeley Brothers
There was a narrative.
00:19:14
Ryne
Not always, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not even close.
00:19:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:19:17
Cokeley Brothers
i know
00:19:19
Reese
He has been Will the one
00:19:21
Cokeley Brothers
Let's look at the stats.
00:19:23
Reese
Pull the stats up.
00:19:25
Ryne
There's no one else like Will Luan.
00:19:25
Reese
Not even close. Okay.
00:19:28
Cokeley Brothers
I i can't i can't disagree.
00:19:29
Ryne
The man who lives and dies off winning by two to one matches even in the three point takedown era.
00:19:35
Cokeley Brothers
I can't disagree with Ryan.
00:19:35
Reese
He had one season of three-point takedowns.
00:19:40
Ryne
I'm just saying, and he still wouldn't he still wouldn't try to go get him.
00:19:43
Reese
Cam... Dude, I promise you, Camamine also...
00:19:45
Ryne
Camamine would score on his feet way more than Will Luan.
00:19:48
Reese
Okay, okay.
00:19:50
Ryne
Way more.
00:19:51
Cokeley Brothers
Um, okay. Let's go back to his first season.
00:19:54
Ryne
Will Luan isn't beating guys like Alex Marinelli. Two to one.
00:19:59
Reese
ah you I mean, I think him. I mean, it's definitely better than will the one but I he still wins like will the one wins.
00:20:05
Ryne
No, no.
00:20:06
Reese
Yes.
00:20:07
Ryne
He scores more points than Will.
00:20:07
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. So, so Camamine in his first season got one tech fall, one major three pins and the rest were all decisions. three, two, five, two, three, one, seven, three, nine, three, seven, one, two, two, zero, six, two.
00:20:20
Cokeley Brothers
So, I mean, really that, I mean, that's, there's nothing, there's nothing crazy about that.
00:20:21
Ryne
how many of them were how many of them how many of them were one point wins look at willow wands one point wins over time wins one point losses over time losses you can't you're you're never gonna find another guy like that
00:20:26
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:20:33
Reese
you
00:20:33
Cokeley Brothers
well need to We'll need to send this, we'll need to send this information over to our quant division and have them take care of this because I can't,
00:20:39
Reese
Okay, okay, I will I will seed Ryan that will the one is more of you know, what he is more of a One-point winner, but kamameen is not there is nothing new about what kamameen is doing this season He's done what he's doing this season throughout his college career.
00:20:58
Reese
He is not the new will the one he has always been kamameen
00:21:02
Ryne
Look, he's, I actually view it, Millie, you disagree.
00:21:04
Reese
That, no, yes.
00:21:06
Ryne
I think he was better earlier in his career and since the last year, he's kind of gone a little bit, he's regressed a little bit. That's what I think.
00:21:12
Reese
No, I think, yeah, I think he beat better guys, but he's still, he always, he's always been a defensive, very boring wrestler.
00:21:14
Cokeley Brothers
I think it was, I think.
00:21:23
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah, last year, last year was the year where he was, he was, um Just, he didn't look the same, right?
00:21:29
Reese
Right.
00:21:29
Cokeley Brothers
I think there was maybe injury involved, whatever the deal was. Uh, and the season before that, I think we kind of started to see some of this tightness behind his offense and, and he, he was very stingy.
00:21:40
Cokeley Brothers
He did not give up takedowns. Uh, and just things were very close this year. I think it's a little bit better. I think he, I mean, he had tiebreaker sudden victory, sudden victory, sudden victory, sudden victory decision decision in three majors.
00:21:57
Cokeley Brothers
So. Um, but I think the CKLV in that performance where he had like three straight overtime matches doesn't really help him, but I don't think he's, I think, I think you have will Luan up here, his case of not being like this guy who wrestles one exchange matches.
00:22:08
Reese
Welcome in what in what a I mean he is he is He is will eat. He is that guy He's 100.
00:22:14
Ryne
exactly there's No, There's no one like Will the One.
00:22:17
Reese
He's not that guy Okay, so you're disagreeing that he is not the will you're saying he's not the new will one Okay, okay, that's what I'm also saying that he is not the new will the one I'm saying he is kamameen Which is
00:22:19
Ryne
There just isn't.
00:22:25
Cokeley Brothers
Every, every masterpiece has its
00:22:25
Ryne
I'm saying there will never be another Will the One.
00:22:32
Ryne
No.
00:22:35
Ryne
That's not what you were saying, though.
00:22:37
Reese
i'm so I'm saying he is a...
00:22:37
Cokeley Brothers
and
00:22:38
Reese
Yeah, it is. It's what I've said.
00:22:40
Ryne
No, you were saying he was little Will the One at the beginning of this argument.
00:22:42
Cokeley Brothers
I think I i started this.
00:22:44
Reese
He's always been like Will Luan. He's always been... He is not the Will Luan, sure. He's not the new... He's certainly not the new Will Luan, but he has always been a defensive one score, like win kind of guy.
00:22:58
Cokeley Brothers
every Every masterpiece has its cheap imitation, right?
00:23:04
Reese
Yeah, I mean... Even though cameraman is probably better, you you could argue with the one.
00:23:04
Ryne
That was stupid.
00:23:09
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, yeah, I was, I was talking about, I was talking about the art of winning one exchange matches.
00:23:09
Ryne
Yeah, that was was stupid.
00:23:13
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:23:13
Reese
No.
00:23:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And I think, I think will the one was masterful at that.
00:23:18
Ryne
Kyle Dake is closer to Willow on than any of them.
00:23:22
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting. I, I don't agree with that.
00:23:27
Ryne
oh Go see his result against Martin his Senior year NCAA's I believe it was the first round or maybe second round of NCAA term it Not Miles Martin um Mark Martin wasn't Mark So his name Yes, was that his name?
00:23:38
Cokeley Brothers
Against who?
00:23:42
Reese
Mark.
00:23:46
Reese
No, how state Mark Martin.
00:23:50
Ryne
I can't remember. I can't remember his first name was I
00:23:51
Reese
Yeah.
00:23:54
Cokeley Brothers
um I don't know how to find this match, but I will try.
00:23:57
Ryne
two thousand and 2013, 13, NCAA tournament.
00:24:00
Cokeley Brothers
2012.
00:24:05
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:24:07
Cokeley Brothers
Take a little trip down done memory lane. I don't think I was at this one though. No, I definitely wasn't.
00:24:14
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:24:19
Cokeley Brothers
165. sixty five
00:24:24
Cokeley Brothers
We had Kyle dake. He wrestled Mark Martin. He wanted three to zero.
00:24:30
Ryne
three to zero my bad i thought it was one pretty sure it was one zero for most of the match until the very end or excuse me zero zero and then dake got an escape and martin martin picked neutral no no one was picking bottom against cal dake unless you were david taylor
00:24:33
Cokeley Brothers
So was it.
00:24:43
Cokeley Brothers
You had a red out. Oh, okay.
00:24:51
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, I get. Yeah, i I forgot that he was just just a brutal. He would not let you go.
00:24:56
Reese
You know who is not a good writer, or at least to Dake's level, Will the One. Kyle Dake, not Will the One.
00:25:02
Ryne
so Who was as prolific as a writer as Kyle Dake, or is?
00:25:08
Reese
That's what I'm, yeah, it's but you said Kyle Dake was more like Will the One.
00:25:10
Cokeley Brothers
ah AJ Ferrari.
00:25:12
Ryne
He's close. And then Camamine, for sure, for sure.
00:25:13
Reese
He's closer than Kamamine? No.
00:25:18
Reese
One went to Cornell, the other two went to Michigan. They're closer.
00:25:22
Ryne
Okay, youre talking about you're talking about academic prestige.
00:25:23
Cokeley Brothers
there you go
00:25:24
Reese
Got him. Got him, checkmate.
00:25:27
Ryne
They're both academic prestigious schools, idiot.
00:25:29
Reese
Hey, hey, hey, checkmate.
00:25:30
Cokeley Brothers
but
00:25:33
Cokeley Brothers
Whoa.
00:25:33
Ryne
No, you're not checkmating me, actually.
00:25:34
Reese
Yeah, you're dude, your king is done.
00:25:35
Cokeley Brothers
King me.
00:25:36
Reese
Your king is cooked.
00:25:37
Ryne
How? In what way? In what way?
00:25:39
Reese
Well, he cannot he cannot move any in any direction.
00:25:41
Ryne
He's moving here, and here, and here. He's got all these moves. What are you talking about? Look at all these moves.
00:25:47
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Uh, another, another duel we can look at before, cause I know we want to talk about, Well, I guess we can get into that when we get into that duel, but, uh,
Recent Dominant Performances
00:25:57
Reese
What do
00:25:57
Cokeley Brothers
Penn state, uh, the, uh, the Iowa state dual Penn state beat Wyoming today, uh, 54 to zero.
00:26:09
Cokeley Brothers
that's That's six points away from up. Perfect score. They, so they went tech fall, tech fall, pin, pin, major tech fall.
00:26:16
Ryne
and full Did little foul wrestle?
00:26:21
Cokeley Brothers
No, pin, pin, pin tech fall. So, uh, Volk didn't wrestled. The word is that he got injured wrestling Spratly. Uh, however long ago that was, I don't, I think, uh, yeah, yeah.
00:26:28
Reese
Aren't they missing somebody else?
00:26:31
Reese
Novak?
00:26:31
Ryne
No vacuum.
00:26:33
Cokeley Brothers
No back, no back didn't wrestle, but this, I was hoping for a couple of interesting matches, but particularly the one at one 25. Um,
00:26:44
Cokeley Brothers
This was just ugly.
00:26:46
Reese
You watch the duel?
00:26:47
Cokeley Brothers
This was, uh, I was keeping up with it on Twitter, but dude, I mean, they, cause they can probably get a pin at 65 and 285 and, and maybe even maybe 133.
00:27:02
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and then it's just. getting a pin at 25 and changing the major at 57 to a pin. That's, I mean, to be, cause Wyoming's not a bad team either.
00:27:15
Cokeley Brothers
This, this Penn State team is scary. Currently they are 16, seven, three, two, three, one, two, one, six and two on the rankings.
00:27:26
Reese
Damn.
00:27:27
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, we, I think they're gonna, I think they're going to break the the scoring record.
00:27:30
Reese
Better than last year's team?
00:27:35
Ryne
Are they gonna break their own record?
00:27:37
Cokeley Brothers
I think they're going to do it, dude.
00:27:38
Ryne
I don't know.
00:27:41
Cokeley Brothers
ah So it's really going to come down. I think it's going to come down to hat bonus. Yes. And then they're, do they have these guys that are one and two? Are they going to make the finals and are are they going to win?
00:27:54
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:27:54
Reese
Don't you ever I feel like it'll just really come down to their bottom two weights how they perform No Yeah, I think the other weights I think you're gonna you know, you should know what you're gonna get ah out of those weights.
00:27:59
Cokeley Brothers
Liladon Davis.
00:28:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:28:03
Ryne
If they can break the record.
00:28:06
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:28:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Josh Barr is still a little bit of a question for me. They have him up at six and I mean, yeah, he beat Michael Beard. Beard has been ah kind of of a volatile guy in the past.
00:28:23
Reese
I not Not last year I
00:28:24
Cokeley Brothers
So I'm not. Wasn't he?
00:28:27
Ryne
I mean, up until, it was he was pretty good up until NCAA's and performed up to par
00:28:33
Cokeley Brothers
OK, yeah.
00:28:35
Reese
Mean he only lost a Buchanan and who else they lose Little match not not not great, but not bad.
00:28:40
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah, last year, last year you lost to Trent Heidley in the regular season.
00:28:42
Ryne
that on
00:28:44
Cokeley Brothers
And then at NCAA, he lost to Rocky Elams, Steven Buchanan, and Steven Little.
00:28:51
Cokeley Brothers
No, not bad.
00:28:52
Ryne
yeah
00:28:52
Cokeley Brothers
Not bad.
00:28:52
Reese
I
00:28:52
Ryne
Yeah, but you would just expect, oh I don't know.
00:28:55
Ryne
I thought beer, excuse me, was gonna, you know, kind of be like by now at least like in the running.
00:28:55
Cokeley Brothers
I agree.
00:29:03
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Because, well, cause last year also he took out Cardenas, he almost majored him in the duel and then he beat him at EAWA's and Cardenas ends up, ends up, ends up out placing him at NCAA's.
00:29:09
Ryne
Mm-hmm.
00:29:13
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah. Uh, I mean, I don't know, maybe, maybe Beard was like, I put it all together last year and then everything fell apart at the end of the year. So I'm just not worried about being perfect throughout the year. And so he's going to be a little off kilter at the beginning of the season and things are going to round into form later on.
00:29:28
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. That's all speculation.
00:29:31
Reese
that Was ah the only like the third time he's been majored or something like that Or the third time he's been yeah, I was ah only the third time I
00:29:31
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:29:36
Cokeley Brothers
Um, that one's Josh bar.
00:29:38
Ryne
doing a bonus yeah that's that was that was the no beard yes
00:29:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Beard losing the bar. Right.
00:29:49
Cokeley Brothers
That's, that's pretty dang impressive. Yeah. I am looking through here. Um, Oh my goodness. Uh, I think that's the, is that what the third time or the only time
00:30:06
Reese
The third, because Buchanan bonus them and hit highly bonus them.
00:30:08
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did, did highly bonus him.
00:30:12
Reese
I think he might have.
00:30:13
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Yeah, he did. Okay. So both of the other bonuses were last year. Okay. But before that hadn't given up a bonus point loss, which is, that's pretty crazy.
00:30:23
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Uh, yeah, that's Penn state. They just, yeah.
00:30:25
Ryne
Tough cookie to crack, you know?
00:30:30
Cokeley Brothers
Some news, some news from CSU Bakersfield, Michigan state one, Bakersfield one, they won their duel. against Michigan State, which for ah not a team that's well known to beat a big 10 team.
00:30:42
Ryne
I'm glad we're bringing this up. I'm glad we're bringing this up. Sorry, Sam. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Who?
00:30:46
Cokeley Brothers
You're good, you're good.
00:30:47
Ryne
What but publication has AJ Fry ranked number one? Because I haven't seen any.
00:30:51
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's Intermat.
00:30:53
Ryne
Oh, they do.
00:30:54
Cokeley Brothers
I think so.
00:30:55
Ryne
I thought they had Buchanan as well at number one.
00:30:58
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, they might've changed it after CKLV. What were you gonna say about it?
00:31:04
Ryne
Well, I was like, they're ah social media, Bakersfield Social Media had them ranked number one. And I was like, I don't know of any publications that haven't ranked number one.
00:31:14
Cokeley Brothers
It is, it is Intermat. Intermat still has it, but yeah. So CSU, Bakersfield beat Michigan state 21 to 14. AJ Ferrari goes out and he gets a major. He looks good. He looks healthy. Um, and I mean, Cal state, they won six matches to four and just kind of took it to this, this Michigan state team.
00:31:34
Cokeley Brothers
So I,
00:31:35
Ryne
Michigan State's gonna drop the program.
00:31:40
Cokeley Brothers
no, I'm just going to say no to that.
00:31:42
Ryne
Okay.
00:31:44
Cokeley Brothers
They're a big 10 team, so i'm gonna I'm gonna remain.
00:31:46
Ryne
Doesn't matter, if they invited schools in without wrestling programs.
00:31:47
Reese
Well, it sounds like...
00:31:50
Cokeley Brothers
I don't care, don't care.
00:31:50
Reese
Sounds like Wisconsin... Not good look not looking good for Wisconsin right now.
00:31:50
Ryne
The door's been open.
00:31:56
Ryne
I know, soon one of those two teams are gonna be the first domino, I'm telling you.
00:32:01
Cokeley Brothers
You guys are making me feel bad.
00:32:01
Reese
Sammy, we are bumming Sammy out.
00:32:04
Cokeley Brothers
You guys are, you remember what you did to me earlier, like two months ago, or a month ago?
00:32:08
Ryne
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:08
Reese
It'll all be okay.
00:32:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, don't put me back there, please.
00:32:10
Reese
It'll all be okay.
00:32:12
Ryne
I'm sorry.
00:32:14
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Let's move on to Iowa state, taken out in North Dakota state 27 to 12. I think, I think this was a, that was a weird duel because, uh, we didn't see a lot of the expected guys for, for Iowa state.
00:32:31
Cokeley Brothers
And I'm kind of wondering what's up with that. And Christian Carroll lost.
00:32:35
Ryne
Injuries.
00:32:38
Cokeley Brothers
Right. I know Etch-a-Mendy has hurt um is frost hurt as well.
00:32:44
Ryne
I thought they both wrestled.
00:32:45
Reese
Evan?
00:32:46
Ryne
Only Jacob wrestled?
00:32:48
Cokeley Brothers
Only Jacob took out Kyle Berwick.
00:32:50
Ryne
Maybe he's giving them the day off.
00:32:56
Ryne
Oh, the Cuban.
00:32:56
Cokeley Brothers
I think this is this Berwick's, is this Berwick's third school?
00:33:00
Ryne
It is.
00:33:01
Reese
How is Berwick still around?
00:33:01
Cokeley Brothers
Wow. Right. I thought last year was his last season. I thought it was, I thought he did the thing where he transferred from Wisconsin to Nebraska. He's like, I can't wrestle my final season of wrestling because my, my old school wouldn't release me.
00:33:10
Ryne
Graduated.
00:33:13
Cokeley Brothers
And so he graduated, but he still got eligibility. So he's still wrestling in a different school because. Okay, all right. um Yeah, so Evan Frost didn't wrestle 133. We know Etchman Diaz hurt at 49, so he didn't wrestle. Cody Chitta made his start at 157. He was losing six to three and then hit a little cement mixer to get the pin.
00:33:37
Ryne
Got a takedown tied it up six to six ran out front hit the mixer Got and got defeated I said
00:33:39
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, okay. My apologies. It was tied six to six and then pinned him. Now Manny Rojas made a start at 165 and lost that match. Aidan Riggins cut to 50. Oh, and got defeated. 174 Aidan Riggins was wrestling. Um, who, who do they normally have at 184? Bachman, right?
00:34:08
Ryne
Oh, Reagan's was up at 74 up at 84.
00:34:10
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, Riggins rest 74. And then they had, uh, Nando, Nando Villescuza at 84.
00:34:16
Ryne
Oh, yeah.
00:34:19
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting. I don't know. And then, and then, yeah and then, and then Christian Carroll lost at one 97.
00:34:25
Reese
Well, I think it's safe to say sell.
00:34:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:34:28
Reese
Sell. Sell!
00:34:30
Cokeley Brothers
Sell your stock.
00:34:30
Ryne
yeah I sold it I sold at the I sold at the moment he transferred.
00:34:31
Reese
Yes.
00:34:35
Reese
Yeah.
00:34:37
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know yet.
00:34:39
Ryne
I'll be honest with you, I'm starting to think he really he didn't transfer because he didn't agree with the coaching change.
00:34:44
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:34:44
Ryne
He transferred because he wasn't going to beat Luke Cerber.
00:34:47
Cokeley Brothers
It's like, I'm not starting guys. I'm going to leave.
00:34:50
Reese
Probably true.
00:34:53
Cokeley Brothers
Well, damn.
00:34:53
Ryne
I mean, Luke did beat him at CKLV.
00:34:55
Ryne
It was only a one point match, but...
00:34:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, those are always weird matches. Okay. Kellen March.
00:35:07
Cokeley Brothers
How old is he?
00:35:09
Ryne
This should be senior this year, right? Something old.
00:35:12
Cokeley Brothers
I guess. Yeah, I don't know. Any time I see a name that's there, that's It was around when I was around. I'm saying, get out of there. You're, you're done. Uh, yeah.
00:35:24
Cokeley Brothers
And then Cal Baptist took out West Virginia and that's.
00:35:28
Ryne
Whoa, that is a big one.
00:35:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. So both Cal Baptist and, um, CSU Bakersfield both got wins. So Cal Poly just has to round it out. I don't know when they're wrestling. Um, yeah.
00:35:44
Cokeley Brothers
Nothing, and the thing is, is there's not really, I guess, Strickenberger getting pinned in overtime. That's probably, that actually flipped the duel completely, so. um But aside from that, nothing crazy result-wise from this duel.
00:36:02
Ryne
Nothing crazy.
00:36:04
Cokeley Brothers
Nothing crazy. I did. Oh, OK, so I completely forgot to talk about the the the cyclone shuffle as you guys are coining it.
00:36:16
Ryne
You guys.
00:36:16
Cokeley Brothers
Or whoever who who's who's who's trademarking this.
00:36:22
Ryne
I mean, I said it.
00:36:24
Cokeley Brothers
OK, I didn't know if you heard it from somewhere.
00:36:26
Ryne
I was trying to decide if I wanted to go with shuffle or slide, though. What's better?
00:36:30
Cokeley Brothers
like I like the cyclone shuffle because the cyclone slide sounds like you lost in the semis and you're a cyclone and you just always are going to take the slide.
00:36:39
Ryne
All right, we'll stick with shuffle.
00:36:40
Cokeley Brothers
yeah I like, to I like shuffle more. Uh, okay. So for the people that don't know what the cyclone shuffle is. the The expectation is that the cyclones at 49 and 57, which are anti-anchimentia and Panera Johnson are gonna drop down to 41 and 49. And then Cotegetum slides right into, shuffles into 57. So, I don't know if that's the case anymore.
00:37:09
Reese
You know, I just assumed when you said Cyclone Shuffle, you were talking about a tournament.
00:37:14
Cokeley Brothers
No, that sounds like a cyclones shuffle or the cyclones scuffle. Those are your two options, but I feel like shuffle would be, I don't know. It just feels like more fun.
00:37:23
Reese
Sounds great, yeah.
00:37:24
Ryne
It's a dance. It's a dance, boys.
00:37:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So obvious, it's obvious that Cody Chidam is coming back and he's going to wrestle one 57. So you can pretty easily assume Panera Johnson is going to come down to 49.
00:37:39
Cokeley Brothers
But I don't think that necessarily means that we'll see a tremendous down at 41.
00:37:42
Ryne
Why? He's already talked about possibly going down to 41.
00:37:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, but what about the possibility?
00:37:48
Ryne
It's more likely he goes down to 41 than Panero comes down to 49.
00:37:53
Cokeley Brothers
What about the possibility that Echimendia received a season-ending injury at at the CKLV?
00:38:03
Ryne
You think his ankles that messed up.
00:38:05
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I didn't, I didn't see the result like the after I didn't see what, like if he was like being carried off the mat or if he could like limp off.
00:38:07
Ryne
I watched it.
00:38:12
Cokeley Brothers
i So I don't really know what things look like, but I mean, if it's like, okay, I'm trying to recover from this injury, depending on the severity, and I'm trying to drop down another eight pounds, uh, those don't go well together.
00:38:14
Ryne
He went.
00:38:27
Cokeley Brothers
So take a medical red shirt, right?
00:38:33
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:38:34
Reese
whatever
00:38:35
Ryne
I don't know.
00:38:35
Reese
Whatever.
00:38:37
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:38:37
Ryne
I think yours.
00:38:37
Cokeley Brothers
And I just, man, I feel so shaky about this team.
00:38:38
Ryne
Thank you so much.
00:38:40
Cokeley Brothers
I feel so shaky about this team because we still haven't seen, um, their heavyweight wrestle yet.
00:38:46
Ryne
And he's right.
00:38:48
Cokeley Brothers
And so it's like, when, when is this winter winter?
00:38:49
Ryne
He'd be keater.
00:38:51
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, he did wrestle, but when are all these pieces going to come together?
00:38:55
Reese
Well, they're not coming together this season.
00:38:55
Cokeley Brothers
Is it, is it, isn't this his senior year? Isn't this like a lot of their, or is it just.
00:39:04
Reese
But the the pieces are not coming together. That's, you know.
00:39:08
Cokeley Brothers
They're just not gonna come together, right?
00:39:08
Ryne
Why?
00:39:10
Reese
well When you say that, are you mean like get everybody healthy for the season?
00:39:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, like like I just don't feel like they're ever gonna be able to have their best lineup.
00:39:19
Reese
They're not probably.
00:39:24
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know, to me that sucks.
00:39:25
Reese
It does suck, you know.
00:39:25
Cokeley Brothers
That's how I see it.
00:39:29
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. um Yeah. And then this was a thing that you guys wanted to talk about a while ago because they had been consistently having poor results. And Reese, you alluded to it earlier and I want to talk about it without addressing the long-term implications of it, but
Recruitment Challenges and Strategies
00:39:45
Cokeley Brothers
what's going on up at Wisconsin.
00:39:49
Ryne
I don't know. thiss just What do you mean? It's the same old...
00:39:51
Cokeley Brothers
Hey, dude, it's bad this year.
00:39:57
Reese
They got Zan the man.
00:40:00
Cokeley Brothers
Sand the man.
00:40:01
Ryne
I mean, it's... We've talked about it off.
00:40:04
Reese
Zanfuget.
00:40:05
Ryne
We've talked about it off air before. You want to talk about it on air?
00:40:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't mind.
00:40:10
Ryne
I mean, everyone says the problem is bono.
00:40:14
Reese
Yeah, what do you mean? Yeah, what what why are we even bringing this up?
00:40:16
Cokeley Brothers
That's what the people say.
00:40:18
Ryne
i don't know that's what i'm going i mean
00:40:18
Cokeley Brothers
Because because it's because it's weird to see a team that OK, you had Chris Bono at SDSU where things were going really well.
00:40:30
Cokeley Brothers
He was ah he was bringing this program that was. You know, that's it predates my common knowledge of the college field, but it felt like he was lifting SDSU up into a higher echelon.
00:40:44
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and then he takes that and leverages it to be to into a position as a head coach at a big 10 school. And so you go up in these resources and you already have a, a pretty well-established culture.
00:40:56
Cokeley Brothers
It like, it seemed like he was able to get crowds and and get as events like going pretty well. They were jumping around and everything, but Ryan, what, what God.
00:41:07
Ryne
What's the biggest difference between the two institutions, Sammy?
00:41:11
Ryne
One school can accept lesser academia while the other school you know is tougher to get into.
00:41:16
Cokeley Brothers
Um, okay. So you think that's part of the problem?
00:41:24
Ryne
ah Yeah, I don't think he's recruiting the same kids to Wisconsin that he was recruiting to SDSU because he can't.
00:41:34
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. Okay. So you think that's one of the bigger blockers?
00:41:42
Ryne
Yeah.
00:41:42
Cokeley Brothers
and and And I have um you know i've had personal experience where guys have talked to me about, because like they transferred out of Wisconsin. They're like, yeah, I just did not agree with the culture that Bono was raising around this program.
00:41:59
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, but which, I mean, that always happens with pretty much every program that goes through a coaching change. Um, so I was like, okay, I'll take, you take this with a grain of salt because Bono was able to do what he did at SDSU.
00:42:10
Cokeley Brothers
Um, hopefully things can look a similar way at Wisconsin, but this, so this year they have lost to Ohio, they have lost a writer and they have lost to lock haven beaten Bucknell and they've beaten Bloomsburg.
00:42:22
Cokeley Brothers
Um, I guess, and, and I think another thing.
00:42:26
Ryne
It'd be two teams that are going through coaching coaching changes in the middle of coaching changes.
00:42:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Bucknell is, I didn't know Bucknell was.
00:42:35
Ryne
Well, Bucknell's coach left for Bloomsburg.
00:42:38
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, that explains it.
00:42:40
Ryne
John Stutzman.
00:42:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:42:43
Ryne
Oh, no, that was Buffalo. Whoops. No, it was Bucknell.
00:42:45
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Was it?
00:42:48
Ryne
I can't remember. Maybe it was Buffalo. I can't remember anymore.
00:42:49
Cokeley Brothers
I think it was Buffalo. I think it was Buffalo. Uh, okay. And then I looked, I'm looking, I was looking through their roster. it's pretty it's I think it's pretty young.
00:43:01
Cokeley Brothers
They have ah no seniors and then three juniors that are the the starters. um So they've got a young team.
00:43:12
Cokeley Brothers
I think things can develop for them. I don't think this is like...
00:43:15
Ryne
Is Amos on the roster still?
00:43:17
Cokeley Brothers
Amos is on the roster. He's listed as a redshirt right now at heavyweight.
00:43:22
Ryne
I hope he leaves.
00:43:23
Cokeley Brothers
Well, wrestle stat. You hope he leaves?
00:43:26
Ryne
yeah
00:43:28
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, why?
00:43:28
Reese
We've abandoned hopes Amy abandon all hope get Chris Bono out there and then we can feel better about the program
00:43:29
Cokeley Brothers
Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. No, no, no, no.
00:43:34
Ryne
Huh?
00:43:35
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay. And so do you do you think that there is anything that there is any merit behind? Cause there have been, there have been conversations or discussions about the idea that Bono, Bono, Bono in his relationship with Ben Askren.
00:43:44
Reese
No merit. I already know where you're going with this.
00:43:47
Ryne
I know, keep going, I know.
00:43:52
Reese
Oh, i that's not where I thought you were going with that.
00:43:54
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right.
00:43:56
Reese
Any merit to yeah, yes.
00:43:56
Ryne
I think, I mean, yeah.
00:43:59
Cokeley Brothers
And, and, okay.
00:43:59
Reese
The opposite of the opposite of what I said. Yes.
00:44:03
Ryne
I mean, yeah. That's where he messed up, right?
00:44:06
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:44:07
Ryne
Was burning a bridge there.
00:44:11
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I, man, I don't know.
00:44:15
Ryne
Imagine his team last year. if he has.
00:44:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. i mean that That's a pipe dream too. That's a pipe dream team.
00:44:21
Ryne
Is it though? You have the right relationship, you have the right relationship with Ben Askren as the head coach of the University of Wisconsin and then he starts helping you, you know, feeding you his best guys?
00:44:23
Cokeley Brothers
I, I don't.
00:44:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but but ah but ah I mean, i yes i think I think that'll get you one or two of them.
00:44:36
Ryne
That's a pipe dream? How's that a pipe dream?
00:44:41
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think that's gonna land you all of the Ash going to wrestle in Academy kids.
00:44:45
Ryne
I'm not saying all of them, but but youre but the elite guys, it's like, hey, help me bring an NCAA title to the state of Wisconsin.
00:44:45
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:44:53
Ryne
Give me these guys.
00:44:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:44:54
Ryne
Help me. Push these guys to come to me.
00:44:57
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah, and I still think you're gonna see a number of those guys go to Penn State.
00:45:07
Cokeley Brothers
Just because that's where you
00:45:08
Ryne
Well, mess and drink would have been easy. Easy.
00:45:12
Cokeley Brothers
think so.
00:45:12
Ryne
No one was recruiting him. No one. That's why he was going to Cal back.
00:45:15
Cokeley Brothers
You're right. You're right. He was dude. Imagine if he still is at CalPAP.
00:45:21
Cokeley Brothers
I'd like that. I forgot about that too, man. Better days shut down the portal. Right.
00:45:32
Cokeley Brothers
Shut it down.
00:45:32
Ryne
I know. Would the portal really have stopped Messenbrink from going to Penn State? No.
00:45:36
Cokeley Brothers
Probably not. Probably not. Imagine that though. That that would be, this is this is not a good idea at all, but imagine a situation where it's like, okay, I'm committed to this school out of high school and and I'm locked in.
00:45:48
Cokeley Brothers
No matter how good I improve after I've committed, that would suck. I'm glad that's not the case.
00:45:54
Ryne
Why would that suck?
00:45:56
Cokeley Brothers
Cause you're making this choice at the age of 18 and it's just, you' things change, dude.
00:46:00
Reese
and Things change things No, yeah, he was talking to I thought he was saying that you only get one choice and you're locked in that's what that's what Sammy was saying.
00:46:03
Ryne
I know, but you you all always, you have the, yeah there's, you know, you graduate, you have the opportunity to go somewhere else.
00:46:03
Cokeley Brothers
Things change so much.
00:46:09
Ryne
It's always been that way. I mean, the portal, the portal just made it easier, but you've always been able to transfer.
00:46:11
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:46:20
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I
00:46:21
Ryne
Oh, because of the portal?
00:46:23
Reese
No, no, I thought he was creating a scenario where imagine if you, whatever school you commit, you have to graduate from that school. but that That's what he was saying.
00:46:32
Cokeley Brothers
that's what I was, that's what I was basically saying. and And like I said, that's just, there's just a lot wrong with that because
00:46:37
Reese
Yeah.
00:46:39
Cokeley Brothers
Your visit versus what the actual experience is like is, those are two rapidly rapid wildly different things and and there's...
00:46:44
Ryne
Well, and not only that, but how many um many guys are, most of the most of the time, you're committing to a coach and not really a programmer.
00:46:45
Cokeley Brothers
but Right, because, I mean, the those are two those are two, both of those things need to play in heavily, but it is it is so much easier for you to get an understanding of what a coach is like in ah in a visit than it is for you to understand what a team and what a culture and what an experience of being on that team is like.
00:47:09
Cokeley Brothers
um One takes longer than the other, but both still take a good amount of time. um But it's also not like that's gonna get better if if you're if you go to a different school. So yeah, let's just...
00:47:21
Ryne
Yeah, that's that's the thing where I'm at, okay, with this whole deal.
00:47:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:47:26
Ryne
The grass is gonna be greener where you water it. It's not always greener on the other side.
00:47:32
Cokeley Brothers
No, but sometimes the grass isn't turning green because you have... Uh, awful, awful ground.
00:47:39
Ryne
Yeah, bad soil.
00:47:40
Cokeley Brothers
If that makes sense. Bad soil.
00:47:42
Cokeley Brothers
I was going to say around, but if you, if you have, if you have shit ground, it's probably going to grow pretty well.
00:47:42
Ryne
Bad foundation.
00:47:47
Ryne
Yeah. Well, it can't all be shit. kind of Some of it's gotta to be soil.
00:47:52
Cokeley Brothers
Right. If it's, total if it's total crap, then you get to have just a little bit of crap.
00:47:54
Ryne
and Then you're just growing psychedelic mushrooms.
00:47:58
Cokeley Brothers
Right. No, no psilocybin. Not today. Okay. Um,
00:48:07
Cokeley Brothers
So what do we have moving forward?
00:48:11
Ryne
Christmas.
00:48:13
Cokeley Brothers
We do have Christmas and we are all going to be in Kansas next week.
Future Plans and Events
00:48:17
Cokeley Brothers
And my hope, I was hoping that we could get an episode, all three of us together and in one space and that space in particular, the barn.
00:48:29
Ryne
Oh, we can do one in the barn.
00:48:30
Cokeley Brothers
You want to do one in the barn?
00:48:31
Reese
That'd be sick.
00:48:33
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's a good idea.
00:48:33
Ryne
That would be kind of sick.
00:48:35
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:48:36
Reese
A true barn session.
00:48:38
Cokeley Brothers
ah of an actual barn session, I would, I think it would be a great idea. So, you know, we might try and do that this upcoming week, ah but I was talking about, I was talking about wrestling.
00:48:48
Ryne
Oh, it's happening. We got the collegiate duels that I'm going to go to by myself.
00:48:58
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan's going to Nashville all on his own. He's, he'll be our on the ground correspondent for the national collegiate rules.
00:49:02
Reese
Yeah You guys don't you guys don't want to go camping with me so Sammy
00:49:03
Ryne
Psych! I wanted to go. I want to go so bad to Nashville, but I have no friends or brothers that love me.
00:49:10
Cokeley Brothers
I would happily go, I'm just unfortunately traveling to Kansas at the exact same time.
00:49:13
Ryne
I know you would. I know. I know. I don't blame you at all. I just blame the... the... the wuss. I blame the wuss. That's it between us. I do! Plan it, Reese! Plan the trip!
00:49:31
Reese
won't do it
00:49:32
Ryne
Sammy will do it.
00:49:33
Reese
Look at his face.
00:49:33
Ryne
I'll drag him. I'll drag him there.
00:49:34
Cokeley Brothers
I'll do it. No, i I was waiting for that. I will do it. ah You just got to get me there. You just got to get me there.
00:49:42
Reese
He's got to do all the work.
00:49:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, you just got to basically put me put me on in a car. Maybe I'll do a little bit of driving. Maybe I will. Maybe I won't. And then that's really it.
00:49:53
Ryne
Where do you want to go camp at? You see what came from the mountains?
00:49:56
Reese
The Rocky Mountains.
00:49:58
Cokeley Brothers
We should we should plan this later.
00:50:01
Reese
t See, see, see.
00:50:03
Ryne
I would have planned it now.
00:50:03
Cokeley Brothers
I just, ah we can play it right now. We just have to stop recording because I don't want to, I don't want to spend time on our podcast talking about what our camping trip is going to be.
00:50:12
Reese
Okay.
00:50:13
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's crazy for me to say, but not,
00:50:15
Reese
That is kind of crazy. You don't think people are interested in camping?
00:50:20
Cokeley Brothers
no, I don't think so.
00:50:21
Reese
That's really short.
00:50:22
Ryne
you really want to You really want to risk your life for your first camping trip, Reese?
00:50:22
Cokeley Brothers
I really don't.
00:50:22
Reese
That's extremely, that's so short-sighted, Sammy. You are, you're wrong. I will just tell you that right now. People love camping. People, a lot more people like camping than they do wrestling.
00:50:39
Cokeley Brothers
Mm. I don't.
00:50:39
Ryne
He's probably right. He's probably right.
00:50:41
Cokeley Brothers
Mm. Mm.
00:50:44
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:50:44
Ryne
Listen, if you had to draw a Venn diagram, all right the circle for camping is going to be a lot bigger than the circle for wrestling.
00:50:52
Reese
And that's then diagrams.
00:50:52
Ryne
But there are people that like both.
00:50:54
Ryne
There are people that like both.
00:50:54
Cokeley Brothers
Look.
00:50:56
Ryne
And that's our audience.
00:50:56
Cokeley Brothers
In.
00:50:57
Ryne
okay So let's talk about camping.
00:50:58
Cokeley Brothers
That's weird. That's weird. All right. Let's go camp in.
00:51:01
Reese
Hey, can you make a pie chart, Sammy?
00:51:02
Cokeley Brothers
Let's.
00:51:03
Reese
Let me break it down for you.
00:51:03
Cokeley Brothers
Let's.
00:51:04
Reese
Can you make a pie chart?
00:51:08
Ryne
Camping is cherry pie and wrestling is like pumpkin pie, okay?
00:51:11
Reese
That's right. And that's pie charts.
00:51:14
Ryne
And that's pie tracks for you.
00:51:15
Cokeley Brothers
All right. So let's go camping. Can I decide where we're going to camp?
00:51:20
Reese
Oh, what are you gonna say?
00:51:22
Cokeley Brothers
Let's go camp outside Kajikstan on December 20th or 22nd, where we will be seeing Spencer Lee, Joey McKenna, David Carr, and J.
00:51:26
Ryne
Yeah, let me get my passport.
00:51:28
Cokeley Brothers
I. Elo wrestling at at the Kunayev tournament in Kajikstan.
00:51:29
Reese
The Asian steps.
00:51:35
Reese
I don't think they allow camping.
00:51:37
Ryne
Ready to go here?
00:51:40
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, look, all I'm saying is it's an opportunity.
00:51:42
Reese
It's pretty ah pretty strict from what I've heard.
00:51:45
Cokeley Brothers
It's an opportunity to see Spencer Lee wrestle. And I'm excited for that.
00:51:48
Reese
um opportunity just is sponsor link russell
00:51:50
Cokeley Brothers
um was so fatta but
00:51:51
Reese
hey
00:51:52
Ryne
I want to camp down by the river.
00:51:52
Cokeley Brothers
In a van. It's going to be in a van in a camp in a van.
00:51:59
Ryne
We could be in a van down by the river.
00:52:01
Cokeley Brothers
You're gonna do a little van camp.
00:52:03
Reese
Alright, let's put let's put yeah the old man on the on the podcast.
00:52:08
Ryne
Right now?
00:52:08
Cokeley Brothers
No, absolutely not.
00:52:09
Reese
Okay.
00:52:09
Ryne
Is he calling you?
00:52:11
Reese
I can't put him on because I don't have a speaker.
00:52:13
Cokeley Brothers
he alludions
00:52:15
Ryne
Don't worry. If he's calling you, that means he'll definitely be calling one of us next.
00:52:18
Reese
It may be related to the errand he wanted me to do today.
00:52:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:52:23
Ryne
Okay.
00:52:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Um.
00:52:28
Cokeley Brothers
the The longer we wait, the less and less of a filter he has as a person. Uh, and so I guess if we're going to ever get them on the podcast, we have to get them on soon. So, um, we'll see. We'll see if that happens, but it's going to be a slow upcoming week for, um, for wrestling because we have Krimis and other holiday festivities coming around.
00:52:56
Cokeley Brothers
So after that, I think the things that we have to look forward to are Midlands, the soldier salute and, um, The Southern Scuffle. So, uh, and again, this upcoming weekend, as Ryan said, will be the national collegiate duels.
00:53:09
Cokeley Brothers
I think we see, we see what like Penn state, Ohio state Rutgers Binghamton schools, Mizzou schools like that.
00:53:17
Reese
Mizzou.
00:53:20
Cokeley Brothers
I think I don't remember what all schools go to it, but. Let me see if I can, Ryan.
00:53:26
Ryne
Yeah, you can look it up.
00:53:29
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:53:29
Ryne
It's right there. You got it.
00:53:31
Cokeley Brothers
It's, oh, it's right there. Okay.
00:53:32
Ryne
You got it.
00:53:32
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:53:33
Ryne
You don't need me.
00:53:33
Cokeley Brothers
Do I got it?
00:53:34
Ryne
You got it.
00:53:34
Reese
Just reach out.
00:53:35
Cokeley Brothers
I got it.
00:53:36
Ryne
You got it.
00:53:37
Cokeley Brothers
Where is it?
00:53:38
Ryne
It's right there.
00:53:38
Cokeley Brothers
Collegiate events, journeyman wrestling, uncivil war war, the Jersey jostle, and the collegiate wrestling duels, Ohio State, Iowa State, UNC, and Lockhaven, Binghamton, Penn State, Missouri, and Little Rock.
00:53:51
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. So no records. We will see line of match-ups such as Ohio State versus North Carolina, Ohio State versus Lockhaven, Ohio State versus Iowa State, and Penn State versus Binghamton, Penn State versus Little Rock, and Penn State versus Missouri. ah So we don't get to see, I guess Penn State and Ohio State are gonna duel during the Big Ten season. But um yeah, I mean, the most interesting duel match-ups are Penn State, Missouri, and Ohio State, Iowa State, right? So,
00:54:22
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm, I guess Little Rock.
00:54:22
Reese
And state, Missouri is fire.
00:54:25
Cokeley Brothers
ah Is it?
00:54:26
Reese
Well, there weren't way specifically, I guess.
00:54:28
Cokeley Brothers
74.
00:54:29
Reese
Yeah, that's fire.
00:54:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And then, I mean, Little Rock, Little Rock will have two good match ups against Penn State.
00:54:38
Reese
But not as good as the one.
00:54:39
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, Nasir Bailey, Brayden Davis, and then Stephen Little, Josh Barr. Is it good?
00:54:45
Reese
and Josh, I can probably beat up Stephen Little.
00:54:47
Ryne
I'm actually more excited for Stephen Little, Josh Barr, than I am.
00:54:51
Reese
Well, that's because you're ignorant.
00:54:51
Ryne
leave my opinion How How is that ignorant?
00:54:52
Cokeley Brothers
I'm, I'm excited for the, I just, I don't, I think Reese is trolling right now.
00:54:55
Reese
That's an ignorant take. I don't know how else to put it. That's dumb.
00:55:02
Reese
I'm not even trolling. What do you mean?
00:55:02
Ryne
How? How?
00:55:04
Ryne
How?
00:55:04
Reese
now i which Which is a more, how?
00:55:05
Ryne
I'm just more excited for it.
00:55:08
Reese
How? oh one is One is two in C8.
00:55:09
Ryne
Because I've kind of felt like I've already seen Keegan versus Levi Haynes. Oh, wait a minute! I have seen it before!
00:55:14
Reese
you No, no, you didn't.
00:55:17
Ryne
Oh, that was really freestyle.
00:55:17
Reese
You saw it in freestyle.
00:55:18
Ryne
It was close.
00:55:19
Reese
Oh.
00:55:20
Ryne
It was close to the same kind of match.
00:55:20
Reese
thats Okay. On the backside of a freestyle tournament. Yeah, you saw Levi Haynes versus Kiguno Tool.
00:55:25
Ryne
I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin', I'm just sayin'.
00:55:28
Reese
And your're you're just,
00:55:29
Ryne
It's okay for me to be excited to see Stephen Little and Josh Barr a little bit more than Keegan and Levi Hanks.
00:55:34
Reese
you're just saying, you're just saying you're more excited because you're being argumentative.
00:55:37
Ryne
You're a baby. You're a baby.
00:55:40
Reese
Yes. Yes. I'm a baby. Sure.
00:55:43
Cokeley Brothers
I'm more excited to see Nasir Bailey and Braden Davis.
00:55:44
Reese
What are you?
00:55:49
Reese
then
00:55:49
Cokeley Brothers
I think that'll be a fun match, right?
00:55:50
Reese
then... then... Giganotul and Levi Haynes.
00:55:55
Cokeley Brothers
ah yeah I'm just trying to be contrarian.
00:55:55
Reese
The...
00:55:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:55:57
Reese
Yeah, I know. Both of you are being contrarians. It's pretty odd.
00:56:01
Cokeley Brothers
I think fellas fellas.
00:56:02
Reese
Dude, okay. Let's take a poll. How about that? Let's take a poll for the listeners. Who... what is the more exciting match?
00:56:09
Ryne
I just feel like I already know what's going to happen in the Levi Haynes Keegan O'Toole match.
00:56:12
Reese
but Well, tell me what's gonna happen so you can be proven wrong when it happens.
00:56:16
Ryne
I feel like he's gonna Levi Haynes is going to get to the legs a lot and possibly pick Keegan O'Toole up in the air to finish because that's how you got to finish against a guy like Keegan O'Toole.
00:56:29
Ryne
Or maybe Keegan this time makes some adjustments and does go bait basic defense.
00:56:31
Reese
Oh, oh, oh.
00:56:34
Ryne
but
00:56:35
Reese
Two two guesses.
00:56:36
Ryne
or We won't even see the match at all.
00:56:38
Reese
this or we won to He's covered all his bases.
00:56:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:56:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Well, except for the one where Keegan wins. Did he say Keegan would win?
00:56:47
Reese
I think that was the second one.
00:56:47
Ryne
I've seen...
00:56:50
Ryne
I like seeing Josh Barr against more and more of this of this top competition.
00:56:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:56:54
Reese
He's gonna he's gonna he's going to give Steven Little the smoke, bro.
00:56:54
Ryne
Jesus Christ, Reece.
00:56:55
Cokeley Brothers
I do want to see.
00:56:56
Ryne
Fucking good.
00:56:56
Cokeley Brothers
I want to.
00:56:58
Reese
Chill out.
00:57:01
Reese
Yes.
00:57:03
Reese
It's always Michael Beard.
00:57:04
Cokeley Brothers
ah um I'm interested.
00:57:06
Ryne
All right, well guess what?
00:57:06
Cokeley Brothers
I think. yeah
00:57:07
Ryne
Josh Barr and Stephen Little have both beaten Michael Beard, so suck a wiener.
00:57:11
Reese
Look at this guy.
00:57:15
Cokeley Brothers
I think...
00:57:17
Ryne
No, it's crazy, it's crazy Reese that you, that like, you're shitting on people just because, just because they're like, oh, actually, I'm a little bit more excited for this match.
00:57:17
Cokeley Brothers
i think one
00:57:21
Reese
Crazy that I...
00:57:27
Ryne
And you're all offended about it.
00:57:27
Reese
as Because i know I know why you're doing it.
00:57:29
Ryne
And you're offended about it. And you're, no, I'm not doing it for any reason, Reese.
00:57:30
Reese
I know why you're doing it.
00:57:33
Ryne
I was being genuine, 100%. And you're out here making assumptions. I was 100% being genuine.
00:57:38
Reese
Okay, well you sound pretty offended yourself.
00:57:40
Ryne
I'm not, I'm not shitting you. I'm offended because you're being a dick, dude.
00:57:43
Reese
Okay.
00:57:46
Reese
Okay.
00:57:49
Ryne
um Are you not?
00:57:51
Reese
That was being a little bit of a dick.
00:57:53
Ryne
Okay.
00:57:55
Cokeley Brothers
thought thought I mean i kind of thought it was all a bit.
00:57:55
Ryne
I mean, i was beaten I was being genuine. I was like, I'm a little bit more excited to see. I mean, i mean and that's okay. why is it Why is it such a big deal for me to be more excited for one match than the other?
00:58:03
Reese
Because
00:58:05
Ryne
Why does that offend you so much?
00:58:07
Cokeley Brothers
i don't i don't think I don't think he was offended.
00:58:07
Reese
I didn't say, I didn't, I didn't believe you.
00:58:09
Cokeley Brothers
I think he just didn't believe you.
00:58:11
Reese
And also I do think it's dumb. I'm sorry.
00:58:15
Ryne
Oh, there you go.
00:58:15
Cokeley Brothers
He just doesn't agree with it. He just doesn't agree with it.
00:58:17
Ryne
No, he thinks it's done.
00:58:17
Reese
I think too, I, I do think it's dumb because it's, you're, you know, you're comparing to NCA.
00:58:17
Cokeley Brothers
That's fine.
00:58:18
Ryne
He thinks it's dumb, Sam.
00:58:23
Ryne
Well then, I think your opinions are dumb.
00:58:26
Reese
Okay. That's fine. But I think, I think the, I think the people would agree with me.
00:58:27
Ryne
Like, I mean... I don't care, Reese, that's it's an opinion. I'm i'm sorry, i I'm more excited to see Josh Barr against more elite competition.
00:58:39
Reese
No, you don't have to apologize, but I don't have to apologize either for what I said.
00:58:46
Ryne
I mean, it's not, it's not cool.
00:58:49
Reese
Yeah, sorry, I guess.
00:58:53
Ryne
I mean, what what how would you feel if it was World's Reverse series?
00:58:57
Reese
i mean i think that I mean, if you told me I was dumb for wanting stephen li for thinking Stephen Little versus Josh Barr is more exciting than Keegan O'Toole versus Levi,
00:59:06
Ryne
I didn't say the match was going to be more... See, and this is where you're getting getting it twisted.
00:59:10
Reese
No, that's not what I was, you're twisting. That's not what I meant either.
00:59:13
Ryne
You literally just said that.
00:59:13
Reese
I just meant you're more excited. You're more excited for one match versus the other.
00:59:16
Ryne
That's what I said.
00:59:17
Reese
That's what I, that's what I meant.
00:59:18
Reese
I don't know.
00:59:18
Ryne
No, okay.
00:59:19
Ryne
Well, that's not what you just said.
00:59:21
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:59:22
Reese
Okay. Okay.
00:59:25
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Let's wrap it up. Let's get out of here. Thanks everybody for listening. Hope you have a good rest of your day. Goodbye.