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Session 68 - NCAA Championships Lightweight Recap
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We recap the NCAA Wrestling Championships lightweight results. We also talk about our experience attending the Championships in Philadelphia. We look into the team scores and how they unfolded. There's a lot of exciting things to talk about from NCAAs so if we missed anything, let us know!
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00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the barn session. Alrighty then. Welcome back to the barn session, everybody. What's going on, everybody? and let's not.
00:00:14
Speaker
what Let's not. That was completely original.
00:00:20
Speaker
NCAAs is over. And we are in a depressive spiral. Hey. Have a good day out there. hey Hey, let's get with it today.
00:00:32
Speaker
Let's get with it today. That's what it was. I couldn't remember what it was. No, you couldn't. You froze there. Old man. Sometimes he froze. Sometimes he'd be like, hey. that That is not because he forgot. It was dramatic pause.
00:00:44
Speaker
i I know. I know. R.I.P. Dramatic
00:00:51
Speaker
pause. But as I said, NCAAs are done. I took last place in the draft. It's fine. Yeah. It's awesome.
00:01:03
Speaker
It's pretty cool. Yeah. You suck too, Reese. Don't even act like you did well any well. I'm all American.
00:01:13
Speaker
right. How do you, I mean, I don't even know. trophied. That's nice. I'm the only guy in the league to trophy every year. Shut up. I am. ah Yeah, you you say it's trophying, but you don't, like, fourth place doesn't get anything. have two people on your team, too, every year.
00:01:30
Speaker
Yeah. It's trophies. So, like... I have what? You're obviously... Cooper is carrying your team. Yeah, you're taking steroids. Yeah. because because he and I are a team we're co-owners because i put my because I put my son as part owner of the team because I'm a good father because he's are you are you shaming me for being a good father right now shaming you're letting him do the driving yeah and you're trying to take his credit yeah stop with that trying to take the credit from a kid you two are lying unbelievable on national podcast right now you guys are lying
00:02:09
Speaker
And you know darn well that I do all the drafting. Okay? Oh, you draft all right.
00:02:18
Speaker
I don't know what means. Are these nuts?
00:02:22
Speaker
So close, Reese. You're getting there, though. One of these days. It works for everything, dude. So good. All right. let's let's get Let's get into it.
00:02:34
Speaker
What? Shout out Broderick Green for winning the draft league. Sorry, Sam. He wasn't even there, won the whole league. I meant to do that. He didn't even draft. He didn't even draft, and we he and he won it.
00:02:44
Speaker
He didn't draft his team. He had a proxy. Paid his proxy part of his winnings. He's good. it's It's all good. talk It's absolute nonsense. It's all good. Infraction. his proc His proxy took third. He took first. it's this year This year doesn't count. any Every year that I've been involved where everybody's been there to actually be a part of it, I have meddled.
00:03:05
Speaker
Second and third. Third and second, whatever order it was. I've been doing this for three years already? Third, second, and then last, Sam. Yep. With seven All-Americans. I was also driving home and didn't even know who I had picked last round or what I needed. So, um, he whose fault is that? You know what time the draft was happening?
00:03:26
Speaker
True. Yeah. But i had obligations. Leave me alone. Let's talk. Let's talk wrestling. Let's talk NCAAs. Let's, let's get through this and I don't want to get through it. I want to enjoy it.
00:03:40
Speaker
i know, but there's a lot to get through and there's a lot to enjoy. Let's put this up into two parts. We might um might. That might end up being what happens. We'll see.
00:03:51
Speaker
You guys want to just rip it at 125 and go from there? Yeah. So you're saying part one, like everything, is going to be like the, we're exciting, but we're not you we're not that exciting. We're not going to get into the juicy stuff. that's right.
00:04:08
Speaker
Like Deathly Hallows part one. them wait We're going to end with some tears, by the way. i like Deathly Hallows part one more than part two. No, you don't. That's a lie. like i I think they all suck.
00:04:20
Speaker
No one likes seeing Dobby die at the end of crazy take, Sammy. I mean, some of them are okay. What you talking... You're serious? Yeah, are you being serious?
00:04:32
Speaker
Harry Potter is not my favorite series. God, I hate you so much right now. All right, it doesn't have to be your favorite. It's not my favorite either. Star Wars is my favorite, but... To say that they suck, none of them suck.
00:04:43
Speaker
To say that only some of them are just okay is rude. There's a couple in there that suck. Which What mean they suck? Which ones suck? I'm talking about the first two.
00:04:57
Speaker
I don't even know if the first two really suck that bad. They're not that bad. Have you watched them recently? Yeah. like ah The first time I really watched them from start to finish was in college. the eight When I was in Indiana.
00:05:09
Speaker
They aged great, in my opinion. The first two maybe not so much. Okay, guys. When did they come out? we think about how think about you you about technology they were Think about the technology they were dealing with with those first two movies, all right? How real that how real but how sorry you some of those monsters were?
00:05:28
Speaker
You didn't give me any slack on my track that I did while driving, so I'm not giving Harry Potter any slack. You're telling me those spiders didn't freak you out? What about the troll boogers, bro? Those are real boogers. Dude, real boogers. Real troll boogers, in fact.
00:05:44
Speaker
Alright, he's done.
00:05:48
Speaker
He has nothing. So Vincent Robinson won 125 pounds in a very, very, very, very unexciting match.
00:06:00
Speaker
Yeah, but so were most of Troy Spratley's matches. Troy Spratley. And Vincent Robinson's matches. Troy Spratley. Well, that's not true. Vincent Robinson had one of the most exciting matches of the whole tournament.
00:06:11
Speaker
Which one? Mark Anthony McGowan. Wasn't it just two takedowns? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It was how it ended. It was the drama at the end. The whole match matters.
00:06:26
Speaker
Yeah, cause because then you can say that ah that a write-out is super exciting, but it's... ah No, no, no. It was a super duck takedown to win the match.
00:06:36
Speaker
It was a cool moment, but the match exciting. It was, ah it was exciting ending to a, to a pretty exciting ending. Spratley didn't also have like one interesting match.
00:06:47
Speaker
No, I didn't say that. I just said a lot of Spratly's matches were snoozers. so Beat Poulin Beat Ramos 5-2. The Ventresca match his was probably his most exciting match.
00:07:02
Speaker
And that's Eddie Ventresca. He did that. He managed to to make it have an exciting match against Eddie Ventresca. yeah Notorious snoozer.
00:07:15
Speaker
Can you? It's hard to not. It's hard to be exciting when you're built like Eddie. No. Yeah.
00:07:23
Speaker
You know what I mean, though? Yeah. Yeah. I want to I want to give a shout out. Ryan, actually, I'll let you give the shout out. Who am i shouting out? You i come on. Think about it at this weight. Think about it.
00:07:36
Speaker
I want to see more of them. Oh, I would love to see more Sheldon Seymour, baby. Yes, absolutely. so he's not Laughed at, laughed at, laughed at for drafting Sheldon Seymour. Someone on this podcast i actually laughed at. it was funny I said it was funny. i didn't say i laughed.
00:07:57
Speaker
That's the same thing. Yeah. you laugh at funny things, Reese? No, I just say it, ironically.
00:08:07
Speaker
I believe that. This was his junior year, so he's back next year. He was good. Yeah. and And a bit of a surprise because Lehigh's season is not widely viewed. and It's not very competitive.
00:08:24
Speaker
I wouldn't say that. All right. Now we're actually back. We were talking about Sheldon Seymour. I said Lehigh doesn't have a great season. Ryan, you said you disagree. Yeah. Lehigh doesn't have like a competitive season.
00:08:34
Speaker
They do have. they Look at their schedule.
00:08:38
Speaker
I'm not getting into this right now. We we can get into it at another time. Oh, my goodness. i don't I do not want to spend 30 minutes on 125. Ryan wins. Ryan wins. Ryan wins. Thank you.
00:08:49
Speaker
I appreciate that. All right. That's all I needed. I was looking up Lee's schedule. I was getting ready to go into it. And it reset. Ryan wins. And I stopped. Liladol for third. Ramos for fourth.
00:09:00
Speaker
Ventresca for fifth. Seymour at sixth. Smith at seventh. And Poulin at eighth. He did take the Seymour slide. I will say that. took the Seymour slide. How about he lose 11-4. To Ventresca. You were talking Ventresca not exciting. He was exciting that much. or So who beat Ventresca?
00:09:19
Speaker
Ramos. No. Other one. Other one. little all'll little it all a little good That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right.
00:09:27
Speaker
Who took third at 33, by the way? just got I'm just kidding. It was driving me crazy. Nox? No, Nox took 8th. Romney? Romney. Romney. Romney.
00:09:39
Speaker
Romney beat Fugit. He good. Nox took 8th. Yes. Some other... americans Half of them took 8th place.
00:09:50
Speaker
Yeah, know like I think 5 of them took 8th place. or so Oh my god. Yeah. i was a i was a I was a bottom of the podium bum for my draft.
00:10:04
Speaker
But that's okay. I never even really looked at your team. like to I just knew you had seven All-Americans. Yeah. Some notable names that we didn't see finish on the podium.
00:10:17
Speaker
Richard Figueroa returning NCAA champion. You had four guys take eighth. Not four. Okay. Four, five, potato, potato. Eighth, eighth, second, third, fourth, eighth, eighth.
00:10:31
Speaker
Eighth.
00:10:40
Speaker
Strickenberger just barely misses the podium, loses to Smith in sudden victory.
00:10:47
Speaker
Just a little outside. get Does he get another year because of Juke? Yes. They haven't made a decision on that yet.
00:10:58
Speaker
we get the west We get the West Virginia gunslinger back? We'll see. He's more of like a ah gun toter. ah ah Okay. my his He airs it out.
00:11:12
Speaker
I mean, he was slinging out against Spratly, I'll tell you that. ah that was more of a That's what I'm saying. It was more of a tote. Yeah. It wasn't a pew pew pew pew.
00:11:23
Speaker
It was a... Reese, run that back for me one more time. Pew pew pew pew pew. Bang bang bang bang bang.
00:11:36
Speaker
This is straight out of South Park.
00:11:41
Speaker
okay Okay.
00:11:46
Speaker
ah My boy, Jacob Moran, did not make the podium, but he will be winning a title next year, so that's okay. And that's that's all I have for 125. Sammy, you know, after this past weekend, anything's possible. You might be right.
00:12:05
Speaker
No kidding. All right, I got question. Richie Figgs, is he washed up? or is he just saying or is Or is he just a frontside guy only?
00:12:18
Speaker
Could be frontside guy only. Well, he just heard it, Big 12s. Oh, he needed but that. was That was Big 12s. That was to you know yeah lock lock in a decent seed still. right So he couldn't take third.
00:12:33
Speaker
Reese, if you ain't first, you're last. yeah I guess I get what you're saying. he Yeah, he was like, right, I may have lost this match, but I can still get a decent seed through the backside and and still win a national title. i don't need ah I can't phone it in here at this tournament. Did you see the cradle that Peterson slapped on him? Yes, yes. That was sick, nasty. fucking Oh, sorry. No, you're good.
00:12:56
Speaker
Say it again. No. One more time. With your chest. that That was probably move of the day for day one. For sure. Right? Yeah. It was the slickness of of how fast he locked it up and then went right into the roll.
00:13:11
Speaker
And even before that, his hip heist motion to get that reversal too, it was like he was going through a sequence that he had done a thousand times before he had just walked himself through was not being denied that match, it felt like.
00:13:23
Speaker
No. Then he lost again. and Then he lost a freaking... To the champ. Vincent Robinson, huh? To the champ. Yeah, the champ. Yeah, whatever.
00:13:34
Speaker
and Who beat him on the backside? Figgs, Trevor Anderson did. and no, no. Dean Peterson. Oh. Yeah, Stevo.
00:13:47
Speaker
yeah this This is going to be... partied on the ASU coaches, Peterson did, just to DMP. Just to end up right where Figgs was. Not on the podium.
00:13:59
Speaker
Yeah. Why do you think some of these athletes party on the coaches? Do you think there's stuff said like behind the scenes or like? Maybe or or even during matches. Sometimes you can hear stuff.
00:14:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Dude. Yes. and And I think it gets worse or worse every year with kids. Like, I don't know if they're taking it personal per se, but like.
00:14:24
Speaker
they are They are hearing it and they are like, oh, you think that's going to happen? And then, you know, it doesn't happen. So they get up and party. Party, party. Hey, I saw a crazy exchange between two coaches, right?
00:14:40
Speaker
Esposito. I can't remember who it was. On Twitter, you said? It was Ohio State NC State. Who would that have been? I think it was, let me, let me hang Esposito and Jay Jaggers would make sense.
00:14:57
Speaker
No, no, no, no, Esposito and Tom Ryan. Yes. Tom Ryan was, um there was like a locked hand. Oh, no, no. it They called a stalling instead of a stalemate for like a situation where, you know, when one guy was on top or he just scored and they didn't.
00:15:13
Speaker
What match is this? Oh, Rini Buzakis? No, no. This was on the backside. But anyway, Tom Ryan isn't in the corner. He's like underneath the tunnel watching and he's like runs up and he's like, God, it's supposed to be stalemate, stalemate.
00:15:29
Speaker
And Esposito gets up out of the chair and like runs around and like gets in Tom's face, like telling him it looked like he was him like back up, back up. You're not in the corner. I get out of here. And I have no idea what Tom Ryan said to him, but as Esposito is walking back to his chair, he turns around and you see him.
00:15:46
Speaker
I can, I don't hear him, but I see his lips. He goes, fuck you, Tom. and He does it with like this shitty grin on his face too. I think it was, I think it was D'Amelio against Styles in the quarters.
00:16:01
Speaker
No, it was. That wouldn't make sense. It was NC State. Oh, NC State. What am I doing? Yeah. I was thinking Oregon. Okay, hang on. That's said Kai and Bousakis. ah No, that match was over before that could even be discussed. Brandon Kane and Ed Scott, maybe? that might have been it.
00:16:20
Speaker
Trumbull Feldman? it was I think that's what it was. i think it was Trumbull Feldman. yeah yeah How are you able to find that so quickly?
00:16:31
Speaker
Because I went to the results for Ohio State for their entire team, and then I searched NC State. That's good. I'm not on track. You don't use track? Well, I do. i I already had my spreadsheet pulled up, so I was just going through all that stuff.
00:16:45
Speaker
I'm just super cool. That's the only reason. No, that is not. I just am too lazy to pull up track is because I already had something else up. Closing thoughts for 125. Yeah, I think Esposito would probably take Tom Ryan in a fight.
00:17:02
Speaker
Me too. Tom, Tom Ryan is nerfed these days after his car accident. Yeah. So. All 33. 133. Lucas bird. Dude. He's got a six foot three girlfriend. Everything on the internet is about nobody.
00:17:22
Speaker
Nobody is like celebrating the fact that he won a national title. They're just like, this dude is about as tall as a tree stump and he's in love with a tree.
00:17:33
Speaker
And that's all that people are talking about. and you just a bird in a tree. he's just a bird tray in his nest like that's that's all that people are doing but you know what he's he's got a maid i love it oh we all love it i think it's great i think he maybe he could have had a more entertaining finals match but whatever he won it he got the title he's got the girl yeah i was gonna even know he was going after him that's right yeah
00:18:03
Speaker
and then there was say As much as I hate to say it, I was even going to admit that it was... You know, i don't agree with the stalling call that they called that basically won Bird the match.
00:18:18
Speaker
But they weren't going to call it in sudden victory when they probably had more of a reason to. ah had i mean but They had plenty of... They had like two or three opportunities to hit him again a second time in regulation.
00:18:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Right. um it was bad I felt like it was really bad in Sudden Victory, and I was like, well, they're not going to call it here. I just... And I think that's okay. Like I just don't sudden victory or even the 30, 30 ride outs. Like, and unless it's blatant, like don't inject yourself.
00:18:52
Speaker
Yeah. And that just wasn't that blatant to me. Action, action took them to the out bounds line. And then yeah, bird took two shots, but it's not like he, you could tell he was taking these shots to try to fish for that.
00:19:06
Speaker
Uh, second stall call. Yeah. So sure is what it is it. You're upset for Drake in the moment. Cause it's a bad call, but you watch the whole match, the more aggressive, the more, uh, active wrestler won the match. So,
00:19:26
Speaker
He almost lost his first match. Dude, all right. Yeah, let's get into it. Let's get into it. He he should have lost that first match. Well, his match should have been scored differently. No, not should have. Don't say That's because that's not Guys, what do you mean? so did you Did you watch the video I sent you? Yes.
00:19:41
Speaker
Yeah, and i wentt I watched the match. I watched the match twice. They were on their feet, and his hands were not locked.
00:19:51
Speaker
His hands weren't locked? His hands were not locked. He had to re-lock the body lock when they were on the... well What do you mean? Ryan, what do you mean they weren't? so he Why are you saying I don't know? Show me I don't know if they... In the body lock? All right.
00:20:03
Speaker
How long were his hands unlocked?
00:20:07
Speaker
Does it matter? Yeah, it does. Why? Reaction time. I'm pulling it up. Get... Dude. right. How long? I want know how long. I'll...
00:20:18
Speaker
Let me pull up what I sent you guys because I guess you guys don't look at things that I sent you. It's fine. Whatever. Yes, we do. at least I do No, you don't. No, that's a lie. Okay, so for context, Lucas Bird addressing Hunter Leak in the first round of the of the tournament, and it's the third period.
00:20:36
Speaker
They're tied two to two, and Leak gets to a sit-up position and then hip heists, and as he does that, they get they come up to their feet. They come up to their feet, and Bird keeps his arms wrapped around him.
00:20:48
Speaker
His hands are not locked when they had come up to their feet and they're facing each other, and then Bird locks in an over-under body lock. Hmm. Once this happens, Bird doesn't make any real attempt to return him to the mat because, quite frankly, you can't. You're in an over-under position.
00:21:05
Speaker
All he does is just drive him out of bounds. No stall call. Yeah, no stall call was crazy. The no stall call was crazy, but also like... I mean, Hunter wasn't really doing much to try to stay in, in my opinion. He's circled!
00:21:20
Speaker
reaction time Reaction time does matter in in that context. i don't I think the trying to stay in thing... I don't think it matters. And I think the situation is like if he was in a rear standing, which it should be the same context.
00:21:35
Speaker
if he tried If he ran somebody out of bounds, I mean, it's not always a stall call, but that how would have hit him for stalling there. Who was the ref? Who was the ref? feeling in control Was it Jay? It was Angel.
00:21:48
Speaker
He just loves to not call stalling. when a Notorious call self-inserter of matches. notorious well obviously you know he know did not insert himself there though yeah he's aware how the fans feel about him and he's like i don't even care dude i i mean love the hate i just angel was pretty good he was at one point that's the problem reese people don't people don't like to recognize when somebody has fallen
00:22:21
Speaker
and then some Well, people start telling you you're good, and then your ego gets more. I've literally seen it with so many people when they start refereeing. I wonder why didn't – does Sammy Julian ever – he never does.
00:22:34
Speaker
I've never seen him do a folk style tournament. Okay. never Never done a folk style tournament? Wow. I've never seen him do one. That's crazy. But I only see him during the summertime. so I'm sure he does stuff in the Northeast.
00:22:50
Speaker
We saw him at the NCAA. I would be shocked if he doesn't do if he doesn't referee folk style wrestling at some level. Or if he at least hasn't done it at some level. I would be shocked.
00:23:02
Speaker
Yeah. so I just don't think he's done it at the highest level for folk style.
00:23:09
Speaker
Okay. Some other notable things that happened. Nick Bozekis... Looked like he was poised to give Drake-A-L a really good match. He he pins ah Kyrene, beats Sean Spidal, and then Drake-A-L goes out there and gets like seven takedowns on Boussaka. 23 to 10. Yeah, just decimates him.
00:23:30
Speaker
It was crazy. I mean, it was pretty, it was like at some points competitive. Like Boozy did some good stuff, but he's Drake had Drake had more answers than Boozy did.
00:23:42
Speaker
so many, uh, top side or not quite top side, top side of the bottom side. Zan Fugit was the disruptor by beating Seer Bailey four to one in sudden victory and going out and pinning Connor McGonigal in the quarterfinals.
00:23:58
Speaker
And this is kind of where Zan Fugit came to life. before this, his notable his most notable result was, I think, he majored Van D in the Wisconsin-Nebraska duel. But before that, there wasn't. That was it, yeah.
00:24:11
Speaker
Yeah. Didn't he have, he had an okay big 10s, right? Yeah, he I mean, he he got the 14th seed. I can't remember where he ended up placing. Didn't say he got 10th or something, 9th or 10th?
00:24:22
Speaker
Oh, he might have. Placed above ah Angelo Rini. No, Angelo Rini took. Excuse me? Why was Rini a 21 seed then? He did not have a good enough regular season, I guess. He's beaten Buzakis every time they've wrestled, yet they were 14 seeds separated.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yep. That's crazy. Mm-hmm. But speaking of Angelo Rini, he makes the quarterfinals, which is great. Great for Indiana. Loses to Zeth Romney. Tough.
00:24:55
Speaker
Tragic. Loses to to to roadside warrior or backside warrior, road warrior, Jacob Van D. Tough.
00:25:08
Speaker
Yeah, that sucked. Wow. warrior Backside warrior, road warrior. Jacob Van D. Ryan Miller. I didn't, I forgot he got beat by Ryan. miller Yeah. Vandy beat Ryan Miller.
00:25:19
Speaker
no other way around. Ryan Miller beat Vandy in the first round. And then Vandy rattles off, uh, four straight or whatever it takes. Three, four. Yep.
00:25:30
Speaker
Four ended up with seventh place finish over Tyler Knox.
00:25:39
Speaker
Zan Fugia. I was starting to think i was like maybe we would call Zan the mayor of Philadelphia. was Did he get that earn that title or did somebody else?
00:25:51
Speaker
Why would he be the mayor of Philadelphia? That's like what you tell to the people who come alive at NCAAs. I guess technically he's not from that area. I think you have to be from the area maybe.
00:26:02
Speaker
You have to be from the area? Was Tariq Wilson from Cleveland? Yeah. Yep.
00:26:11
Speaker
He's from the area. He's from the area. Yeah. Okay.
00:26:18
Speaker
Well, I don't know. PA didn't. PA only had six All-Americans. Dude. Lightweight for them. What was up with that?
00:26:30
Speaker
Shoulder shrug. And so Illinois and New Jersey had eight. Is that what you said, Tim, earlier? Yeah, yeah. And then Wisconsin and Pennsylvania had six.
00:26:41
Speaker
Kansas had one national champion. Holla. Holla, holla, holla. Yeah, it was awesome. Can we not even really talk about it tonight?
00:26:55
Speaker
Disrespectful. Whatever. Say it the best for last. Saved the best for last, just like the ESPN did. Nasir Bailey doesn't place. Yep.
00:27:10
Speaker
Noto doesn't place. Schauber doesn't place. Braxton Brown, might my draft pick, doesn't place.
00:27:20
Speaker
Dylan Schauber won three matches on the backside. Sudden victory, sudden victory, tiebreaker. What beast. What first... McGonagall.
00:27:32
Speaker
McGonagall. How bad did he beat him? Five to one. Oh. Is he back next year? No. Dang, dude. It feels like his career was short.
00:27:46
Speaker
ah Well, now you have me. He wasn't a starter every year. i know. It just feels like it feels like he wasn't around. feels like he was the same age as Crookham. No. no Yeah, he was a senior this year.
00:28:00
Speaker
Senor. three time Three-time qualifier, one-time a Is that right? Yeah, i guess. I mean, that was the other thing. He's qualified three times?
00:28:11
Speaker
well the So he qualified in 2021. And how did he do in 2021? He went 0-2. Lost to Dresden Simon and Drew Madden. And then he qualified in or No, he wrestled in 2022 as well.
00:28:28
Speaker
and you didn't But he didn't qualify, right? Did he get hurt? No. He wrestled. He wrestled Real Woods and Ian Parker up at 141. Okay. okay And then he did qualify. Oh, that's right. He went up. That's right.
00:28:41
Speaker
That's right. Yeah, then he did qualify in 2023, but then had to pull himself out because at conferences, his knee exploded. So.
00:28:52
Speaker
Oh. Yep. That's right. All of that is coming back to me now. Yes. Spontaneous combustion. No, I think it was... I think it was... um What's the word?
00:29:08
Speaker
Premeditated. Sergio Lemley didn't place... Oh, no, that's the next We're still at 33. What am I talking about? What are you talking about? I just want to talk about how a lot of people, and myself included,
00:29:22
Speaker
um Probably thought that Zan was, after he made the semis and got beat, was probably going to take the slide. But then he went on the backside and took out Brayden Davis, too. Took out Brayden Davis. Stopped stopped in ah pence Penn State from having a perfect, just a picture-perfect backside.
00:29:39
Speaker
Well, it couldn't be picture-perfect anyway. Oh, yeah. Kirk. Because of Greg.
00:29:47
Speaker
Spoil my night. Well, the first the first domino to fall was was Davis. Yeah.
00:29:54
Speaker
I mean, it wouldn't have mattered, is my point.
00:29:59
Speaker
Yeah. Spoiler. davis soer Maybe Greg. He did play spoiler because it wouldn't have if Davis would have won, Greg still would have taken sixth place. Right. and and then And then Greg would have played spoiler, but instead Zan Fugit was the spoiler. Stop it.
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah. maybe Maybe Greg was like, hey, if if we're perfect, if we're perfect coming up at the heavyweight, I'll go out there and wrestle. Sure. Why not?
00:30:27
Speaker
No. 141. Probably not. 141. Who's the champ?
00:30:33
Speaker
The man. mendez Not time to party. The man.
00:30:42
Speaker
The man. Did they? I mean, let's talk about this. This was probably the most start to finish entertaining weight or entertaining match in the finals.
00:30:54
Speaker
I mean, you knew that was going to happen. Yeah. I had high expectations. Yeah. Very high expectations. And it has everything to do with Brock Hardy. And it was a party indeed.
00:31:07
Speaker
i didn't like that. Did he get, did he get screwed out of a couple of back points? thought he got two, didn't he? yeah Yeah. But should he have had three or four? Maybe. Maybe he probably should have had three.
00:31:18
Speaker
He should have. Mendez was on his, but that was the problem. Mendez was on his back for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I went back and watched it a few times. I'm like, some referees might have got to four there.
00:31:31
Speaker
Dude, you're bringing up a great point for me here. Which would have changed the match drastically, by the way. Yeah. Quick sidebar. Coaches are given a set of challenges.
00:31:45
Speaker
One, if you have one to three wrestlers. Two, if you have four to six. And then three, if you have seven to ten. Yep. But... It felt as if a coach could throw out a challenge whenever they wanted to.
00:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, it did feel like they had a lot of challenges this year. It's felt like that for the last couple of years. I don't think there's anyone keeping track. No, they have to. Do they?
00:32:09
Speaker
Yeah, because they have cards. Who? The coaches. The coaches have cards? You throw a brick, you give a card up. You get your card back. If you win the challenge, they keep your card if you don't.
00:32:21
Speaker
Hmm. Print more cards is what you're saying. I don't know. Maybe. Print more cards. It just felt like... I'll be honest with you. I don't know if that's how D1 does it. That's how Juco does it. So I assume that's how everyone else has been doing it too. Because it is the easiest way to get it done.
00:32:38
Speaker
I mean, I personally didn't see any cards being handed from coaches. Tom Ryan must have had a lot of cards. That's all I'm saying. think Tom Ryan was packing a deck. yeah Or did they just win all of their challenges?
00:32:50
Speaker
and No, there were not very many. There weren't that many one challenges, though. There really weren't. There weren't that many what? One challenges? You don't think so? No. Nebraska won a challenge in the i saw i saw I saw quite a few challenges that were won when they shouldn't have been won.
00:33:09
Speaker
I'll name one for you right now. Drake Iola on that takedown against Dan Fuji in the semifinals. don't even remember that. it was It was crazy.
00:33:20
Speaker
You know where that ref was from? Yeah, was Jay. I understand. Wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. he Well, he's not from Fort Dodge. He went to Iowa Central.
00:33:30
Speaker
So he's lived in Fort Dodge. Anyway.
00:33:36
Speaker
He gets on the leg and like basically they give him the takedown because his foot is floating within the cylinder. It's a cylinder.
00:33:46
Speaker
Listen, listen, listen. There is not enough evidence in the video review to overturn the non takedown call. There was not.
00:33:58
Speaker
I'd have to watch it again. You would have to, but there's, and I'm telling you, there's just not. He wasn't, Sam wasn't winning that match anyway. I understand. i understand.
00:34:10
Speaker
I'm just saying there were, i and that was the one that just came up to, that came to my mind immediately, but there were a couple more challenges that were like, Oh, you overturned that.
00:34:21
Speaker
Wow. I'd have to go back and look stuff up, but I'm telling you, there were a lot more one challenges than you think. I don't know. I feel like i i i was there and I saw a lot of chat the call on the mat stands.
00:34:41
Speaker
I didn't miss a match. You didn't miss a match. Matt casted that and listened to tre Trent Hoagie Hoadley and Shane Sparks. Hoagie Hoadley.
00:34:52
Speaker
Say tournament, tournament, this tournament, this tournament, this tournament, this tournament over and over and over. Sometimes, dude, sometimes you felt like he was throwing a W in there in between the T and the O on purpose.
00:35:09
Speaker
On purpose, dude. Yeah, dude. yeah dude it was getting It was getting out of hand sometimes. Out of hand. oh man.
00:35:20
Speaker
He was like doing it on purpose. like He knew I was listening, and he was just really trying to... you must have just thought, he's like, wow, I sound really cool right now. They i honestly, they did a great job.
00:35:33
Speaker
Yeah. I wasn't him for ACC season. He's he, I liked him. I didn't know. He's awesome. Him and Shane Sparks have really good chemistry. I'm not even gonna lie. Hey, I forgot to say for one 25 and one 33 for one 25, I went six of eight on all Americans, not exact placement bully for you, sir. And then one 33, I went five for eight.
00:35:55
Speaker
I honestly couldn't because of the draft challenge. i don't even care about my brackets really. That's kind of, vision yeah I just want to win. I just want to win so bad. And that first round made me so sad.
00:36:11
Speaker
I think I lost four first round matches. You were in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Day one. Day one, we knew it was over. Dude, I cannot believe you didn't take last, Rhys. I was like, this dude is going from first to last. He really It's the bonus points. It's the bonus points, man.
00:36:29
Speaker
They saved him. Not only did not get last, he he took seven. I had like three and a half bonus points total. Maybe I took eighth. No, you took seventh. think I beat Sammy and Zebly.
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, WAP took seventh. WAP beat me, yeah. Oh, you're right. You're right. My bad. Sorry, WAP. I half a point. WAP. Or something. now by two and a half points.
00:36:53
Speaker
For 141, I went six of eight. My boy-o tool kind of... Well, that's for later. My boy-o. My boy-o. I went three for three in the finals and it helped me. It propelled me into fourth with one point over Cason.
00:37:13
Speaker
Bird? like No, I'm not... I can't spoil it. Spoil it. Do we want to talk about the team race? We already know. Everyone already knows the champs. i had dean I had Mitchell Messenbrink, Dean Hamidi, and Wyatt Hendrickson, baby.
00:37:29
Speaker
And guess who had Gable Steveson?
00:37:33
Speaker
Cason Lindsey. Or Cason. Yes. Yes, sweet justice. Did you beat him out for for a trophy? I did, by one point. That's pretty cool.
00:37:44
Speaker
It is cool. dude Do we want to take a... just completely blew everybody out is that the highest Is that the highest score? Yes. yeah yeah like I had 148 the first year. That was the highest before.
00:37:59
Speaker
You had 142 last year. That was second. And then Broad just came in there and was just like, check it out. oh he He came in there all right. He put what? 158 points? No, 164. one hundred no one sixty four 164 points. 164. What the hell?
00:38:16
Speaker
he was where He was right there. He was neck and neck with Penn State. He was. with With two extra guys, but still. i mean, he had – so, all right, for context.
00:38:29
Speaker
We draft all 10 weights plus two flexes from any weight. okay Well, you can't have more than two wrestlers per weight. So, and for example, you can't have three thirty three s or whatever. So you can't draft two flexes from the same weight.
00:38:46
Speaker
Broderick Green had 11 All-Americans, which has never been done before. The most before was 10. And Broderick had 11. And his one guy that didn't AA was Dylan Chauver, blood round. He should have went 12 for 12, probably.
00:39:01
Speaker
That's crazy. How many champs did he have? Not the most. He only had two champs. Hmm.
00:39:11
Speaker
Dude, do we want to take a quick break quick break from the the bracket results and talk about the team race? Sure. Dude, all right. So Penn State had a very weird... they They scored their points very differently this year from what they normally do.
00:39:32
Speaker
At least their cadence was different. So they went 20-0 on day one. They put all 10 of their wrestlers into the quarterfinals. And then they had a a rougher day, too, than what they're used to. They they place all their guys, but I think they they lose three in the quarters and four in the semis, right?
00:39:57
Speaker
They lost four guys in the semis? They only put three in the finals. Haynes, Kirkfleet, Bartlett, and Van Ness all lost in the semis. They went three and four in the semis. A historic low for Cale Sanderson in the semis. Underperformance, not low.
00:40:17
Speaker
Underperformance. what is ah What's the difference? Whatever. You know what i mean. A historic underperformance. It's not a low, though. because it's you still it's like It's hard to say that they performed bad when they still beat their previous record.
00:40:32
Speaker
okay yeah did they leave i Did they leave points on the board? For sure. They could have 100% done better, but they still did great. I'm strictly talking about the semis in terms of the low.
00:40:45
Speaker
I guess. That is all I'm talking about. Now, End of day two, Reese and I were waiting for our Uber. We're waiting three and a half years because Ubers are very fun.
00:40:56
Speaker
o I want to get into that. This put Sammy into such a terrible mood. Dude, I was it was in a bad mood for like two hours. Let's get on with this. And then I want you. This is what I really wanted to do is I want you guys to tell me about your Philly experience.
00:41:10
Speaker
Shake Shack. That means nothing to me. So end of day two, end of day two, we're sitting there, we're waiting for our Uber and the the people we're staying at an Airbnb with, ah they're asking us like, they're like, so you do think Penn State's to beat the team record? And Reese and I are both like, no, they they are not in shape for it right now.
00:41:29
Speaker
Because they put three in the finals and they had all these guys on the backside and we didn't expect them to have a, a, but they, to take basically, if you take out Kirkley to take even one loss, even after the blood round that they had though, you still didn't think they were going to, they were going to know the team record.
00:41:49
Speaker
No, i had they had plenty. There's no doubt. They had plenty of opportunities to lose on the backside. That's been crazy to say. Really? They got a bunch of pins, too.
00:42:00
Speaker
They got bonus points. and Plenty of opportunities to lose on the backside. Yes! Luladal, Davis, Van Ness, I think they all got pins yeah like at some point in the Constellations.
00:42:12
Speaker
I'm trying to find plenty of opportunities to lose from Sammy right now. All right. wait Especially when we're talking about how many pins they got on the backside. you take away those pins?
00:42:24
Speaker
Guess what? They tie. How do you take away the pins? If you take away the points from the pins, take away hint they pinned these dudes. i It's not like they sound like they caught them or something. They just pinned them. Oh, oh, oh.
00:42:38
Speaker
Braden Davis didn't catch Conor McGonigal?
00:42:43
Speaker
ah No, Conor McGonigal put himself in that position a second time and got pinned. Okay. He did. you he did. Straight up, he did. can take that fall away. You can you can you can take logically say that if they wrestled that match again, he does not get a pin.
00:43:00
Speaker
there there he should have did he he he He got put in that danger position before and then and went right back to it and got pinned. My point is that if they wrestled again, it's probably not going to end up like that.
00:43:16
Speaker
You could say that about any match, though, Reese. That's the point. and Yeah. I'm just presenting – I'm just presenting – like I'm presenting an argument for why we didn't think they were going to break the team score.
00:43:31
Speaker
But it was – they put – for the second time ever, they put 10 All-Americans on the podium, okay? All right? And they're historically a bonus point machine.
00:43:46
Speaker
Dude, even still with, with now, let me, let me walk through what I, what we had here.
00:43:54
Speaker
One 25 Luke Lodal gets a pin over Matt Ramos in the, in the third period.
00:43:59
Speaker
He also has a sudden victory match with Eddie Ventresca and the Concey semis. Braden Davis loses to Zan Fugate, goes out and gets that pin over Conor McGonagall. Bo Bartlett has a sudden victory match with jo with Josh Coderhant, one that he could have lost, obviously, sudden victory, and it goes out in Major CJ Composto.
00:44:16
Speaker
Was he ever in danger of losing that Dude. Dude. Was he? Seriously. Seriously? I'm just asking. Let me fucking finish. Oh, my goodness. What?
00:44:27
Speaker
I said let me finish. I'm just asking. I just don't know why you're getting bent out. i mean, we're just trying to defend. I'm not bent out of shape. but Seemed like it. I just, I want to, I want to be able to finish what I'm saying.
00:44:39
Speaker
You asked me to present you at losable matches and areas where they got bonus points where it might not always happen. Just ask your question. so They had to, they had to do, they had to do a lot of the, of the best things that they could have done on day three to get the team record broken.
00:44:56
Speaker
And that's exactly what they did. And it took a lot of effort. It was not – we were not in a position at the end of day two to say, yeah, Penn State is poised like they normally are at the end of day two to break the record on day three.
00:45:11
Speaker
Yeah, you were because they had put 10 guys on the podium. And they, in the past, have – have in the past always put up the most bonus points than any other team. It's not surprising that they got these pins because they – and you know i'll tell you what I'll tell you why it's not surprising, Sammy and Reese.
00:45:30
Speaker
and it's because they wrestle hard. They wrestle harder than anyone else at that tournament. And no one else on that day in that session wants to wrestle hard, but they did. And they always wrestle hard. They wrestle hard every year. And that's why they get bonus points the way that they do.
00:45:47
Speaker
mean, it's a fact. It's, it's very surprising to me to see a guy like Bo Bartlett go out there and get bonus points. Cause you'd never see it. He gets bonus points. He's gotten bonus points before.
00:46:01
Speaker
There were several instances where they were right there to lose matches, and they won them. There were several instances where they were not positioned to get— that's surprising for Penn State, though, is my point. Dude, I mean, come on.
00:46:12
Speaker
Not surprising— Okay, the con— You're just— You're talking about Penn State. Yes, obviously we know Penn State scores bonus points. We're talking about specific instances, like— I'm just Matches.
00:46:23
Speaker
um How the matches are going. The direction of the pace of the matches. You know, when someone's asking you, like, you don't think they can break the team record still? I would have looked at it and been like, you know what? yeah After tonight, are the are is it are the chances low?
00:46:37
Speaker
Probably, but it's Penn State, so they they they still got a shot. yeah they're They're also Penn State. I wouldn't have been like, i would have been like we're been no way. No way. run away but And this is the thing, right? that We were wrong.
00:46:51
Speaker
Obviously we were wrong. but So they they're asking you us this after we just watched them go 3-4 in the semis. And so we're thinking, we're thinking, is this is this Penn State team going to be doing things differently on day three?
00:47:04
Speaker
Because their whole tournament was different. They were perfect on day one, had a shitty day two, and so we didn't know what to expect from day three. For the entire tournament, that was the that was the central crux of the way this entire tournament went, is that there was there was no way to really understand why what we were seeing.
00:47:23
Speaker
And so with that in mind, the number of points that Penn State scored on day three, it was not... in our minds in the cards. So that's the explanation. But I, so it's shocking to you. I'm not shocked. No, I was shocked for them to get Reese for them to break the team record.
00:47:43
Speaker
No, dude, I didn't even really think about it. like when i was that' ah That is exactly what I was thinking. It never even crossed my mind that they weren't going to do it still. when when they put ten on when i after After the semifinals, in my mind, they got 10 guys still wrestling on the third day.
00:48:01
Speaker
Yeah, they're breaking that record. Oh, yeah. didn't think that. I didn't think that they were going to break the record. Was I surprised that they broke the record? I mean... I don't know. not Not really, I guess. I don't think I have a way of looking at it in terms of... I don't remember what the team totals were at the end of day one.
00:48:18
Speaker
But I remember seeing it... but Was it like 120-something? Yeah. yeah I don't know, but I really just didn't even think about it. When I was asked that question, i was just like, ah no, probably not. They're probably not breaking the record.
00:48:31
Speaker
Let me see if I can find how i mean just it. really there wasn't any I didn't look at the scores. I didn't look at the paths. I didn't do any of that. I just said, no, probably not based on that.
00:48:41
Speaker
Based on how that semis just went, no. Let's see here. Because I think the NCAA tweets out finals or totals at the end of the days.
00:48:56
Speaker
But, I mean, it just – yeah, after session – that's session five.
00:49:05
Speaker
My God, they tweet a lot. at At the end of session four, Penn State was at 135.5. So they scored 32 – 31.5 points on day three. that's – 31.5 points is more points than most teams score the entire time. That's because it's it's the placement matches, Sammy.
00:49:21
Speaker
It's the placement matches. It's the pretty it's the excessive. it's It's the, or yeah, whatever the math was that I did wrong. It's the excessive amount of bonus points that they scored on day two because they had all 10 wrestlers wrestling and they all got bonus points on the backside.
00:49:33
Speaker
Except for Kirk. Which is just not surprising. Or not surprising. Not... ah outside of the realm of Penn State to be getting crazy bonus points like that. You know what? We've seen it year after year after year Since 2012, we've seen it. yeah Or 11, we've seen it every year. okay CP, Christian Piles.
00:49:57
Speaker
but so but hang i Hang on, hang on, hang on. I mean, seriously, how is that? I'm i'm not being CP at all. i that's That's a fact of life. yeah you're Exactly. you're You're saying stuff that everybody... are We already know this about Penn State.
00:50:08
Speaker
we are We're all very aware of that. I was – so hang on because I was just about to say. It still doesn't – they went three and four in the semis. That was un-Penn State-like. I know, and I'm not disagreeing with that, but that still did not shake my faith that they weren't – It did. It took my faith, and I'm sure it shook other people's faith too.
00:50:30
Speaker
I – but to tack on to the bonus point thing. the, I think Willie tweeted out that they averaged bonus point wise, at least a major per match on day one. So that should have been an indicator in terms of what day three should look like.
00:50:47
Speaker
If I, if not real i mean I was looking at it, day one bonus, you're supposed to get bonus points. Yeah. But just the, just the general way the team is wrestling, I guess.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah. 17 and one on, uh, on like the backside is pretty crazy. Right. Right. Now, shocking stat for Penn state, eight guys in the top three shocking.
00:51:13
Speaker
I mean, yeah. they're Like the top two. Huh? Just in general. Well, I mean, just in general. Yeah. yeah ah Just to get, I have us to have a team. a guy to get Eight guys. or top faith That was part of what they had to do to break the team record.
00:51:24
Speaker
Right. We're, we're getting, we're getting to a point where like breaking the team record is pretty much impossible.
00:51:33
Speaker
except Except they left points on the board, Sammy. They should have. right yeah You think about it. They should have probably scored closer to 187 points.
00:51:44
Speaker
So are you yeah is it so his top three shocking or is it? It's shocking that they got eight guys in the top three. Yeah, I don't less shocking, but still kind of like.
00:51:58
Speaker
So where would you have? What would what would you have? Yes. Yeah. What were your brackets? yeah Yeah. I mean, I didn't have 10 of them. I didn't have 10 of them placing. No, but I might have only had eight of them placing.
00:52:11
Speaker
I didn't have Braden Davis placing. didn't have. um and have I think I had this placing. I think I had Josh Barr taken like seventh because I thought his knee was jacked up.
00:52:23
Speaker
But to tack on to the team race, because Penn State winning is not a huge shocker. The way they broke the the scoring record was interesting. Nebraska taking second place, I think, was not on anybody's bingo card unless you lived within a five-mile radius of the campus.
00:52:44
Speaker
Because... I mean, holy crap. Eight All-Americans, or seven, and eight. eight all Eight All-Americans. Nine qualifiers, eight All-Americans. Yeah, they they Pinto didn't get on the on the podium, but blood round they had, I mean, they score 117 points, 60 points shy first place, and 14.5 points ahead of Oklahoma State.
00:53:09
Speaker
Two champs. Nobody thought that that was going to happen.
00:53:14
Speaker
And then Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State down to third. They definitely left some points on the board. Taking Jamison, Teague Travis. But they also scored some points that nobody thought would be on the board. Dean Hammity, Wyatt Hendrickson.
00:53:29
Speaker
so i mean, yes. I'm going to go back to circle back to Teague real quick. You know he scored five team points? Yeah, I'm guessing he got bonus in the pigtail.
00:53:40
Speaker
It is. It was 100% because of the pigtail. But still, like... You're not going to place. and if you If you don't place for your team, like that sucks, but you scored five bos you've scored five team points and didn't place. That's pretty good. right yeah he got and take yeah megan jameson Taking Jameson, same thing.
00:53:57
Speaker
Five and a half team points, didn't place. Still pretty good. Yeah, t T. Travis got a major in every single match that he won. Typically, the average is like four points for like round a round of 12 finisher.
00:54:10
Speaker
Yeah, Caleb Fish and Tegan Jamison scored the same amount of team points, and one's one's on the podium and one's not. Luke's server going o and two Hurts. Hurts bad.
00:54:21
Speaker
Hurts me. Hurts me. My God. Oh my goodness, dude. I could not believe it. And then fourth on the podium is Iowa, despite having ah Kyle Parco and Ja'Cory Teamer, two returning All-Americans, score a cumulative one point.
00:54:42
Speaker
Gabe Arnold, point and a half. Are we getting into that yet? Do we want to get into it?
00:54:50
Speaker
we should't We should have started off with this. Let's roll into it.
00:54:56
Speaker
i mean, where you even start? Starting off with the team race. what what What are you talking about? I'm talking about Parco and Van... Or Parco and Teamer. Yeah. I don't want to get in. I lied. I don't.
00:55:08
Speaker
Okay. Because it's like, you know, one guy was hurt all season, whatever. It was, it was never in good enough shape to really win it. We all knew that, but I didn't know that the teamer.
00:55:23
Speaker
like bro i ah drafted him on both of my, obviously I didn't know that. Well, I mean, I'm not saying he couldn't have placed. He couldn't score good team points and got on the podium in like a ah top six kind of finish. But like, mean, he was not going to win it, not not with the way his lungs were.
00:55:42
Speaker
I was, i mean, maybe not win it, but like, make the like Willie, even Willie was like, I'm not shocked if Teamer beats shapiro That's kind of where I would at, too. That's because case that's because willie Willie was in on the Shapiro illnesses.
00:56:06
Speaker
He did know about Shapiro. I don't know if he knew, knew no but that it it matters, though, Reese. it does know i know but he he was saying He was saying Teamer could make the finals. was this point And Teamer would have had to Shapiro.
00:56:22
Speaker
He would have had to have had ah better tournament than last year to have made the finals. Oh, for sure, yeah. I'm just talking about... That's how I felt, too, about Teamer. I didn't really think he was going to be that bad.
00:56:35
Speaker
And he was, in fact. Dude. I mean, we were sitting there watching the Johnny Leavitt match, and... he smoked Caleb Fish earlier in the season, who played. du Yeah, I mean, he he looked like he a pot. He on trail Taylor, didn't he?
00:56:51
Speaker
No, who'd they wrestle? with Who'd they wrestle? Did they wrestle ah Estrada in that duel? Yeah, I must have. um But... Well, that duel was poor. That's why I couldn't remember.
00:57:07
Speaker
Poor Jacory. I don't know about poor. No, rich Jacory. Yeah. Poor rich Detroit. Poor Iowa Hawkeyes. I don't feel bad for, yeah, there you go. I don't feel bad at all. That's what happens.
00:57:22
Speaker
And you know what? I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I don't feel bad. it I don't feel bad because whenever we were talking about Iowa getting these six year transfers, um you know, before the season started in my gut, I just knew that something like that was going to happen.
00:57:41
Speaker
You know that these guys was in the air. These guys weren't going really pan out the way they thought. Buchanan did, obviously. But.
00:57:52
Speaker
Yeah, I. You could just tell it just felt like chasing a bag. I'm kidding. And so people think Figgs is going to do the same thing. I don't think he's going to do the same thing. Well, I can't believe Iowa is even considering it.
00:58:06
Speaker
With a one and two performance or whatever he had. oh Yes. and In their offer on... ah yeah yeah tenia boys and Yes. Devil transfers. Yes. All right. Let's take a look at 149 and 157 and wrap it up. Fine. Wrap it up, 149...
00:58:24
Speaker
fine wrap it up b one forty nine
00:58:30
Speaker
Ridge Lovett. Ridge Lovett gets the job done. Finally wrestled the way we knew he could. Dude, honestly, i kind of i kind of checked out for this finals match. i did I did not even realize it was the third period whenever Henson basically let Lovett go because he didn't want to get reversed.
00:58:48
Speaker
and And then that was it. That was the match. and Well, that's it the takedown that they took away was...
00:58:58
Speaker
Kind of sucked. Oh, there's a there's a call that got overturned. Yeah, that's why i said I mentioned that. Oh, sorry. My bad. Nebraska getting one in the finals.
00:59:10
Speaker
Yeah, but man, bridgege Ridge looked awesome in the semis against Van Ness, but kept it kept it close and and wrestled smart against Caleb Henson, got the job done.
00:59:24
Speaker
So we'll see... what next year looks like here, but I mean, this is, that's it. Parco didn't place. Panero Johnson didn't place. There was like a, an unprecedented number of four and five seeds at this tournament that just did not show up at all.
00:59:44
Speaker
ah I mean, backside Van Nester, D'Amelio, fourth, McNeil, fifth style, sixth, Sammy Alvarez, seventh and Gavin Drexler, eighth. ah poor poor Kanan Webster dude so one of the one of the cool things about being by the tunnel you get to see him yes pinned him no 4-0 4-0 my bad one of the cool things about being by the tunnel is you you get to like see the guys warming up and like you know maybe hear the coaches like getting them ready and and that's kind of cool right but then sometimes you see the kids walking back to the tunnel that lost and
01:00:24
Speaker
And it's it sucks. It is not a fun sight. Kane Webster took took these losses very, very personal. And obviously he But, oh, man. You know, it's interesting. like He did not shake off the Ridge Leavitt loss.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah, a loss that shouldn't have... shouldn't have bothered him shouldn't have affected him like that look at the like i mean like the penn state guys all bounced back so well like why can't other i don't get how know webster's a freshman so maybe that's part of it but yeah i'm like well how come penn state freshmen don't melt penn state freshmen don't always melt like that i'm I'm hopping off this, this Penn state meat writing train that we've been doing for the last 20 minutes here. Yeah, but that was one thing where I was like, i was like, man, Webster, why is, why can't Poeta and company, like, why can't AOC, you know, like, why can't these guys like,
01:01:25
Speaker
I don't know, dude. It is a hard culture and concept to drive through kids' heads. Like, hey, man, you especially like and this generation, is, hey, you have to keep wrestling, and you have to keep wrestling hard because – Yeah, there are going to be guys here that still want what you want.
01:01:43
Speaker
And just because you're the seven seed wrestling, the 22 seed in the blood round does not mean he's going to lay down for you. In fact, he knows that you're vulnerable right now because you just got upset in the quarters.
01:01:55
Speaker
Like you have to you have to switch your your frame of mind here and go out there and still wrestle hard when they're not expecting you to. why can't Why can't they do it?
01:02:06
Speaker
Why can KO and company do it and these other coaches can't? It's about the whole wrestling is fun thing, right? Like Brock Hardy gets it. they They don't go out there and wrestle and and like have to psych themselves up to wrestle hard because that's what they have to do. It's like they get to do it. and and you don't think You don't think other coaches are telling their athletes that it's fun?
01:02:27
Speaker
I don't know if it's necessarily that easy to instill. And I think it might be a whole systemic cultural thing. And it's, it's not just a part of like getting your kid to believe that it's also, you the was a was the environment that you were in like a fun, uh, yeah. I mean, my, my biggest struggle was, was just making sure that my body was healthy. So I was able to wrestle, but I took every single opportunity that I could to be able to wrestle as as an amazing opportunity.
01:02:55
Speaker
um Was it always fun? No, so it's a lot of hard work. And I think, ah I think it's kind of hard to get past that sometimes. and And it's hard to be able to say that this is, this is fun that I, and that I am excited to be here and that I do enjoy this, but,
01:03:11
Speaker
I mean, they've, they've managed to do that at Penn state and it's, I do, I think it's in a a whole team thing. It's, it has to be the culture there and to change a culture at a program is not, you can't do it overnight.
01:03:24
Speaker
And it's not just wrestling is fun. It's hard. Wrestling is fun. Mm-hmm. and that's kind of They don't have to do it overnight. They have plenty of time. They've had 10 plus years to figure it out. 10 plus years. Yeah. I mean, 10 plus years is not, it, it's probably like a four year period, right? You kind of have to get through it. Like a, you have to bring in the right guys. You have to tell them the right stuff all the time. And then it'll start to bleed off of them to the, to the guys that come in after them and,
01:03:53
Speaker
It's a whole cultural reworking. Yeah. I i watched... Why can't we guys figure that out? I watched... can't guys figure that out? A whole cultural rebuilding have to happen at a place like Indiana. It's not easy.
01:04:06
Speaker
It's also about recruiting the right kids. Yeah. And I think that's part of it, right? You get these... Penn State gets these super-duper high-level guys. And so...
01:04:18
Speaker
they're not learning too much or they're not having to be, be driven in the right direction to learn too much. They're, they're figuring a lot of things out on their own. Josh Barr is not any more high level than a lot of other guys, though.
01:04:29
Speaker
like It's 197. High school. So? it's just You don't have to be. well Hold on. You don't have to be? come come Start over, Reese. What did you just say? I said Josh Barr was not that high a level out of you any He's any more high level than a lot of other guys who came out of that class.
01:04:46
Speaker
It's not like he was like a bow nickel. He was not a bow nickel. He was not a Zane Rutherford. No, but it must have just been like his man his mentality around the sport and training that Kale Sanderson and company noticed.
01:05:03
Speaker
i would I would think maybe. They've recruited a lot of guys, though. and him in roco Him and Rocco were – he had, in high school, the upper hand on Rocco for most of the for the most part. and look how well Rocco did when he got there while Josh was redshirting. You just kind of knew that Josh was probably goingnna have that kind of success, too.
01:05:27
Speaker
and Maybe. I don't know. I mean, there's something the water. What's more of a shock to you, Reese? Rocco making the finals last year or Josh this year? Rocco making the finals, but Rocco had to beat Lenny Woolack in the semis.
01:05:44
Speaker
And not Cardenas? and not Cardenas. One thing you can always count on for Penn State guys. Sorry, Sammy is, you know, they're just ah the second time they wrestle somebody.
01:05:57
Speaker
They're either going to beat them. If it was close before, they're going beat them or or they're going to make it worse. Was that the third time? Third time. Cardenas won the second time.
01:06:09
Speaker
Oh, that's right. That's right. That's making your statement false. You know what I mean, though? Yeah, he did what Penn State normally does. Look his matchup when it matters.
01:06:21
Speaker
Um, you, you know, I was going to say, I had a point. Oh, you know, it doesn't care about that rule.
01:06:29
Speaker
Wyatt Hendrickson, Jesse Mendez. Oh yeah. No, he does not. It doesn't, it obviously doesn't work on everyone, but, um, there is something in the water though at Penn state. And I did say I was off the me riding train, but,
01:06:45
Speaker
They just got ah the one of the best wrestlers in the world to come wrestle for them. I'm tired of it. I'm over it. It's crazy, dude. let's Let's get the 157.
01:06:57
Speaker
I'm ready for coaches to figure it out. Figure what out, Reese? Figure out how to get your guys to compete on the same level. if If one team can do it, why can't your your team do it?
01:07:11
Speaker
think ok Oklahoma State's going to be there pretty soon. I'm not saying that they haven't figured it out, but um what I'm guessing what it is is delivering the message, delivering a message that can get your athletes to believe in what you're preaching like Kale does.
01:07:27
Speaker
And they haven't figured it out. I don't know you know. I don't know if they have the Kale charisma like Kale does. Yeah.
01:07:37
Speaker
There's something that Kale does or says or, you know, that he just gets his guys to believe more than anyone else. Yeah.
01:07:47
Speaker
Dude, it's kind of a self-feeding thing where it's like you're excited to be around Kale Sanderson and so you just latch on to every word. Yeah. And then, like, the more that that happens, the more that the next group of people fall into that thing.
01:08:03
Speaker
Yeah, it's just Kale is just a victim of his own success. He's so lonely. He's so lonely. I'm ready to say that we're coming back and it's going to be start being a little more like 20 2013. He doesn't even get a name.
01:08:22
Speaker
Just a purpose.
01:08:26
Speaker
All the other coaches, they fear me.
01:08:32
Speaker
Oh, man. Reese, do you watch Invincible still? No, I haven't seen the other seasons. Ooh. I didn't even know that Stan Lee 157.
01:08:48
Speaker
Entrell Taylor beats Joey Blaze. Joey Blaze leaves the finals so fast that you see Secret Service members grabbing their service weapon, just in case. Is that for real?
01:09:00
Speaker
No, but you dude, he's, I mean, he must've ran a four one 40 leaving the finals. He went so fast. You even take the, I get it.
01:09:10
Speaker
I get it, dude. I don't I think he started like a link in Ocarina time. He had the light feather boots on or whatever. Oh yeah. Those are cool. Yeah. So Entro Taylor beats Joey blaze.
01:09:24
Speaker
Joey blaze expected to be one 65 next year. I think. K-Sec at third. Chumbly at fourth. 20-seed Trevor Chumbly? Showing up and taking fourth? Just the name Trevor Chumbly makes me like, we're not talking about this weight.
01:09:41
Speaker
The quarterfinals with Chumbly and Hippolito, Ariza's just like, Chumbly Hippo.
01:09:48
Speaker
Hippolito, dude, what a disappointment. Yeah, he DNPs... Chris Cannon, D&P, Tommy Askey, D&P, Chase Saldate, Caleb Fish. Dude, this was a hard match to watch.
01:10:05
Speaker
Was it hard for what reason? Because you knew that they were like, neither of us have been. we were teammates. Neither of us have been on the podium, and now we're fighting each other. we have get on and we have to fight each other over it, and Saldate was not happy to be the loser.
01:10:20
Speaker
Well. Yeah.
01:10:24
Speaker
Swisher loses in the blood round. What was the score to that match? ah Swisher losing to KSAC 5-4.
01:10:34
Speaker
Swisher's legit. Swisher's tough. He's gotten better. He had a good tournament. yeah who He lost to Entrell Taylor. He got pop up a pinned.
01:10:45
Speaker
That's right. I remember that. Entrell got two pins in a row. Techfall pin. oh Home match advantage.
01:10:56
Speaker
No. He's from Millard South, Nebraska. was talking about Jude. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:07
Speaker
I guess that's all I can really say about this weight. Cody Chittum.
01:11:13
Speaker
Man, oh, man, oh, man. What's going on? What's going on at Iowa State? Move off of Cody Chittum. Cody Chittum is – we know who Cody Chittum is. um And, you know, the end.
01:11:24
Speaker
What's going on at Iowa State, Ryan? I don't know. don't care about Iowa State. Kyson Tarakina, Zach Redding, Casey Swiderski, gone.
01:11:36
Speaker
The Swiderski one is a little bit shocking, but not that shocking. and And Christian Carroll, which we kind of... that wasn't i didn't know if he was going to wrestling again. That wasn't shocking at all.
01:11:48
Speaker
Right, but I am wondering why that's happening in the first place. so But... Durski, dude. I heard Nebraska. Nebraska. That makes sense. He kind of looks like Vandy.
01:11:58
Speaker
Him and Vandy on the same team. That makes sense to me. You know Vandy and Starachi were high school teammates? Yes. yeah They were a prep school in Erie. So was Pinero, right? Was it a prep school?
01:12:11
Speaker
I want to say it was. Because they wrestled at the state championships. Maybe I'm wrong then. ah Hang on. Hang on.
01:12:22
Speaker
willie willie really Willie did something about this. that That's who I'm going to go to. we but yeah anyway Cathedral Prep. Yeah, but I don't think they were an actual prep school.
01:12:37
Speaker
No. Prep Proud, Roll Ramblers, and it's Van D and Starachi. oh yeah I thought they went Erie or something. They were from Erie. is't It's in Erie, yeah.
01:12:49
Speaker
That's right. Pinero went to Erie or whatever. Yes. Yes.
01:12:55
Speaker
But yeah, Swiderski. That was kind of a shocker to me. The Dirty Durski says, sorry, Brent. Sorry, Dresser. I'm skipping town.
01:13:07
Speaker
think it was more to Brent. I think that was, I mean, Brent was his guy. So Frost placed last year. Evan did, right? yeah And then Jacob placed this year. yeah You got it.
01:13:21
Speaker
pant Silky Johnston went like one and two. Two and two. Two and two. You know what's funny? You know what's funny? Panero Johnson and Brandon Cannon wrestled each other up at 165 this year.
01:13:35
Speaker
I forgot about that, but I do remember it, but forgot about it. Yep. I wonder if we see Pinero bump up and then where does Etchimendia fit in?
01:13:47
Speaker
Their lineup issues are kind of gone because of that. were not we opportunity We don't need to get into line with Swiderski gone. Yeah. They just go Pinero 57. Chittum 65. Or just bench Chittum.
01:14:02
Speaker
or just bench chi um I don't why you would bench him. Because their other 65-pounder, he's promising or whatever. No, he's not. Okay.
01:14:13
Speaker
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Dude, talk about a tough postseason. Ethan Miller.
01:14:22
Speaker
Yeah. Undefeated going into the postseason. Maybe... maybe he did He did do some ducking in the regular season. Maybe no duck. Just was a little bit of... It wasn't his fault, I'm sure, but...
01:14:34
Speaker
yeah Alex Clemson said, you're getting this one seed.
01:14:39
Speaker
Nothing you can do about it. yeah I would be... I would not be sp surprised Alex Clemson said that. Not that verbatim, but...
01:14:52
Speaker
ah hu How do you guys feel about Shapiro's post-tournament interview? Well, it sparked a little firestorm on Twitter. Baby-ish. It's baby-ish. Here's the deal.
01:15:05
Speaker
and here's yeah here's you can't you just can't. it did like lower my opinion of Shapiro a little bit. well i okay Well, my opinion of him has been low for a while now. so let's all All right, hang on.
01:15:16
Speaker
Let's make sure we're making two things clear. Let's make sure we're making two things clear. One, because there's two big things that he talked about after his tournament. One, he was in a coma earlier this season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about your coma.
01:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. but Okay, so he wasn't healthy. Okay, that's one thing. The thing that we're talking about, he was accusing people of being on steroids. He didn't say names. Yeah, it's a lot of excuses in one interview.
01:15:41
Speaker
Right. Well, think it was actually two separate interviews. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Listen. Either way. Listen, and here's the deal. Say what you want. Make make accusations or nameless accusations if you want. That's fine. like doesn't really bother me.
01:16:00
Speaker
it It bothers some people. Obviously, it bothers CP. And to CP, I say, man, you do stuff like that all the time on your own show where you bring up information.
01:16:11
Speaker
you'll bring up or You'll bring up something vague, and then i i have i remember times where Ben Askren would be like, oh, what are you talking about? And then CP would be like... I'll tell you after the show.
01:16:23
Speaker
That's just as bad as these guys making nameless accusations about steroids. I think it's not as bad because it's not negative stuff, right? Isn't he like normally talking about, well, we can't we can't talk about this yet. usually Some of it would be negative.
01:16:37
Speaker
But you didn't typically didn't have any idea what what they were talking about and it or whether – it wasn't like – It was negative. if If, listen, if it was positive to talk about, do you think he would, he wouldn't talk about it? but there there also wasn't, like, there wasn't a whole lot of context when when that stuff would be.
01:16:55
Speaker
And it's, the you know, with the coaches and the athletes doing, I do hate it I mean, it it is annoying. And, like, bringing up. My whole thing is. They do it to say they're bringing awareness.
01:17:06
Speaker
And it's. No. Okay. You have to have a certain level of decorum whenever you're an an athlete giving an interview. Listen. Listen.
01:17:15
Speaker
ah At every level of of sports in post-high school, yes, there are athletes using PEDs. Probably even Every sport, every level post-high school, and maybe even some in high school.
01:17:29
Speaker
For sure. some There's tons of kids at St. James that are using steroids. Anyway. My point is that like to CP, to ignore, to just be like, oh, well, you're making nameless accusations. Like, yeah, should they be doing that? No. But also like don't act like it's not happening in your backyard because it is.
01:17:52
Speaker
You know what I mean? What? Ours. The wrestling community's backyard. Oh, yeah. I mean.
01:18:02
Speaker
probably some juicers out there. I am over it. I'm also over it, dude. I'm equally over the, uh, cause every year it's kind of, yeah, same thing um'm I'm like, that's how I'm kind of like, I don't care one way or another. Cause it's like, yeah, I know what's going on.
01:18:16
Speaker
Do I know who it is? No. Do I care? no, no I do care. I want to know who, I mean, it would be nice to know, but we're never going to know. so that's why the the whole, yeah yeah, the whole, the, the, the, theres I mean, it's, it's all cheating for a reason. I mean,
01:18:33
Speaker
everyone knows how much of an advantage it is to have like a lot of strength over another guy. And it's, yeah, but you got to know how to use it too. Super strength. These guys know how to use it. They're all division one, like high level athletes.
01:18:49
Speaker
Just saying not, maybe not all of them. Not all guys on a division one roster are high level athletes. Reese. Yeah. I kind of, I come kind of with Ren on that. Yeah.
01:19:01
Speaker
I'm with Reese on that one. Do you think steroids would help a guy like, I don't know, let me just pull one name, one random name here. Choose carefully. Let's go with, I'm just going to bring up a random low seed from 149 here, okay? Okay.
01:19:23
Speaker
yeah Gabe Willischel. Steroid's going to help that guy win a national title? He's lanky. Do you think? um I think so. I just i saw him. He was the first low seed that I saw.
01:19:35
Speaker
Gabe Willis. Dude, why not? Why not? why what You know, it's not going to hurt him.
01:19:41
Speaker
I'm not. Okay. But is it gonna is it is it really helping him that much, though, is my point? Yeah, that's that's the question, is how much is it going to help you? How much are you going to be able to utilize something like that? I have no idea. Personally, me, I've never taken any steroids. I've been clean my entire life, I'm pretty sure. It's false. I've seen you stick needles in your ass, Sammy.
01:20:00
Speaker
That's for a different reason. yeah You and Ryan, you two, including em me, we all know how it feels to wrestle with someone who is overwhelmingly stronger than you.
01:20:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's terrifying. It sucks, especially when you're underneath them. Oh, yeah. Now, my my least favorite thing is when a guy grabs my wrist. That's when I start reaching back.
01:20:25
Speaker
Oh. Dude, there have been a select group of people. Choke that strong neck out. There have been a select group of people who have who have grabbed my wrist before, and then that's it. it's and and um um I've lost the match.
01:20:41
Speaker
ah They have that that that unbreakable grip. Not me. I find a way to use their strength against them.
01:20:49
Speaker
That's the answer. Put them on their head and pin them. That is the answer. I won't beat you if this mouse goes the whole way, but I know I can pin you. ah okay
01:21:02
Speaker
All right. Let's wrap it up. We're wrap it up with steroids.
01:21:09
Speaker
Let's wrap it up with ah with a needle in the ass. gee I got the names too, by the way. I have all the names. I'm not going to tell you. I'll tell you guys.
01:21:21
Speaker
Don't do that. I hate that. I can't. We'll we'll talk. i hate that oh Say him now. Nope. Say him now. it Tyler? Is it Tyler Kasach?
01:21:32
Speaker
Trick question. It is Meyer Shapiro. the list The list is coming out on Twitter tomorrow. Dropping the Roydstein list. ah reidstein list I got the documents.
01:21:44
Speaker
Okay. right, everybody. Thank you for listening to another prolifically unhinged episode of the barn session. If you enjoy this stuff, which you must, if you're still here, ah share this with people.
01:21:58
Speaker
Cause, cause why not? Cause we're good for it. We're we're good for it. need um Need is need is strong. i'll tell you to i'll tell you We'll tell you to have a good day. We'll tell you that we care for you.
01:22:12
Speaker
We'll tell you that we appreciate you. i like you guys. I don't need you. We may or may not inject you with steroids. We can be friends, but I don't need you.
01:22:24
Speaker
All right. Have a good day. Bye-bye.