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Marriage Crisis Management | Positively Healthy Mom with Dr. Becky Whetstone
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Welcome to another episode of Positively Healthy Mom! I'm your host, Laura Ollinger—teen and parent well-being coach—and today I’m honored to be joined by Dr. Becky Whetstone, PhD, a Marriage and Family Therapist who specializes in helping couples through some of the hardest seasons of life.
In this episode, Dr. Becky shares her personal journey, insights into managing a marriage in crisis, how infidelity should really be handled, and why stepfamily dynamics can make or break a second marriage. Whether you’re navigating a rough patch or want to avoid common missteps, this conversation is full of practical, compassionate guidance.
📘 About Dr. Becky Whetstone
Becky Whetstone, PhD, is a Marriage and Family Therapist and Life Coach based in Arkansas. She developed the Managed Separation (MS) method, a structured approach to navigating separation with clarity, purpose, and timelines. Inspired by her own experience with marital crisis, she created tools to help couples reduce chaos and foster healthy reconnection—or transition with grace.
Her new book, I (Think) I Want Out: What To Do When One Of You Wants To End Your Marriage, releases February 4, 2025.
🔗 Connect with Dr. Becky
🌐 Website: marriagecrisismanager.com
📘 Facebook: facebook.com/relationshipcrisismanager
📸 Instagram: @doctorbecky
📹 YouTube: @doctorbeckywhetstone3829
💼 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/becky-whetstone-ph-d-33866211
💬 Topics in This Episode
• Marriage is hard—but stepfamily marriage is 10x harder
• What sabotages most stepfamilies
• The truth about infidelity and reconnection
• What not to do when separation feels inevitable
• How to support your kids through big transitions
• Why step-parenting needs its own rulebook
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#MarriageCrisis #Stepfamilies #PositivelyHealthyMom #LauraOllinger #DrBeckyWhetstone #BlendedFamilySupport #RelationshipHelp #ParentingTeens #DivorceRecovery #ManagedSeparation
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Positively Healthy Mom podcast, where positive parenting meets well-being.
00:00:11
Speaker
Hello everyone. Welcome to today's episode of the positively healthy mom. I'm your host, Laura Olinger, teen and parent wellbeing coach. And I'm very excited and honestly honored to introduce you to today's guest, Dr. Becky Whetstone, who has got a PhD in marriage and family therapy. So welcome to the show. Wait, wait, actually, what do I call you Dr. Becky?
00:00:32
Speaker
You can call me whatever you want. I don't, I don't require the formalities, but I love to be called Becky. Okay, let's do Becky then. Yes, that makes it easy.
Dr. Becky's Career Journey
00:00:42
Speaker
So I was very interested in your background. And honestly, I would love if you could just like share a little bit about your story about how you got to be doing what you're doing.
00:00:53
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Yeah, um i I'm a person that was kind of born interested in people. I'm a very curious person. And and so, you know, at a very early age, I was grabbing the newspaper from my parents to look at advice columns and and the ladies home journal would come and and there'd be like, can this marriage be saved was in there. And so I thought I wanted to be a advice columnist.
00:01:18
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So said, went to college and um and became a journalism major, but I got married straight out of college and took the housewife path.
00:01:31
Speaker
I was married for eight years to my kid's dad. We had two kids and um we lived in San Antonio, Texas at the time. And we went through a marriage crisis. I would say about, you know, less than a year into my marriage with this guy who was my dream man in every way. um he It's like he just slammed the emotional intimacy door in my face. yeah And, you know, it's like he'd been so loving, so demonstrative, just so everything into me.
Transition to Marriage Crisis Management
00:02:02
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and then the next thing you know, he turns into an ice cube. And so I spent like five or six years or after that, you know, trying to get him to come back out and play with me or love me or be with me or, you know, unfreeze yourself.
00:02:18
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Yeah. And, and he just wouldn't do it. He was all over time. You see that someone's all talk and they're no do, you know, and so that led us to a marriage crisis in 1992. Yeah.
00:02:31
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and um And so we went through this crisis. Of course, we went to the marriage therapist. The marriage therapist said, Becky's a zero motivated. She doesn't want to work on the marriage. So the marriage a therapist said, I can't help you.
00:02:44
Speaker
You two go back out, you gonna go back home. And if you get motivated to work on the marriage, come back. Well, this made no sense because they were like, sending us out into this. We were both in an extremely stressed out state trying to decide what to do with our marriage. What about our kids?
00:03:02
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What do we do? Like, how do we fix this? No one to help us. And we created a disaster on our own. And i've I've gotten to see how it played out over the last 30 years.
00:03:14
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um And of course, I had to get a job after we got divorced. And um and so i I went to work for the newspaper in San Antonio and I started writing about relationships and I became kind of a relationship guru in San Antonio in radio, television and the newspaper.
00:03:32
Speaker
And people always gripe that I didn't have any credentials. You know, you're not, you don't have a, you're not a psychologist. You're not a a whatever. Yeah. So I went to graduate school after a few years to shut everybody up. And, and, but, and I thought it might ruin me because I'm kind of an outgoing, funny girl. And I thought it's going to make me too serious.
00:03:51
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As you can see it, that didn't work. and But I, I did learn to you know, the deeper side of relationships. You know, I learned about the research and how important that was and the different theories of helping people. And it just took me to a deeper level of thinking and understanding that I'm um so thankful that I got and and my cohorts uh talked me into getting the phd also so i just and i just went to school for five years and came out while i was in the dissertation process though i studied marriage crisis and what could have been done to help our marriage because i was still bothered by this so much and i found this mother load of wonderful information and i was going like
00:04:39
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Why doesn't, why don't therapists know about this? And of course, I found out in graduate school, they don't teach us about how to help people in marriage crisis. So when I got out of school in 2006, I said, all right, well, i guess I'm going to have to do this myself, you know?
Dr. Becky's Methods and Book
00:04:56
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So for the last 20 years, I've been seeking to fill the void in our training to help couples in crisis to To create a plan for them and help them through one of the life's most distressful experiences, help them stabilize and make really wise decisions.
00:05:15
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And I oversee the entire process. And I call it marriage crisis management. Like I'm a manager of their marriage crisis, an overseer. And, you know, and and people are really grateful for it. So, you know, my book i have a book about it. It came out in February. It's for therapists and for anyone who's unhappy in their marriage or wants to know what to do in a marriage crisis. So no it's now ah the world's starting to wake up and marriage crisis is actually starting to become known.
00:05:51
Speaker
and And people are using my work to help couples basically all over the world. That's amazing. So where did you come up with, I mean, you probably gathered all this research, but like you created basically your own methods. So do you get that from your personal experience or from the research or you combined it? How did you do it? Oh, everything. I mean, everything. it It was, you know, a multiple factors. But as soon as I got out of graduate school, I started advertising. Then back then, you know, their Google was not like ah really much of a thing in 2006, believe it or not. Like I first started out with yellow page ads, believe it or not. But I started hanging my shingle out to try and attract people in marriage crisis.
00:06:42
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And then, you know, and then people in San Antonio would recommend me to other people. And I was using the research that I had discovered, plus all the counseling theories that I'd been taught in school and everything to try and, you know, ah create a way of helping these people.
00:06:59
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And so over time, ah tweaked it and I found out what worked and what wasn't so great, you know, and And so I would say after 20 years and working with thousands of people, you know, I've i' really see the patterns of behaviors.
00:07:16
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I know how things are going to play out. I can predict if you do this, the other person's going to do that. So, you know, i I feel like I have a really solid understanding of the entire dynamic now and how to avoid pitfalls if you'll be willing to control yourself.
00:07:34
Speaker
Okay, okay. Well, I would love to hear what would be your top tips in the time that we have allotted, you know, just a few off the top of your head that would be easy for people to just start learning about today and maybe even start applying today because, um you know, it's one thing to understand, oh I should do this. And then it's a whole nother ballgame to actually do it.
00:07:59
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and and And like you're saying, they have to be willing to kind of control themselves. And so I i imagine... um only because my work with teenagers and and parents of teenagers is that it's a work in progress, right? It's kind of like this sculpture that we're making out of clay. And sometimes what works for some people doesn't work for other people. But at the end of the day, the people are the ones that have to decide if they're going to use the tools, how they're going to use the tools, right?
Advice for Couples in Crisis
00:08:25
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So what would be your top tips? Well, some of my top tips are like, if you, if you do have marriage problems, for God's sake, go to a therapist, please do not try to manage this yourself.
00:08:39
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And the other thing is, is, you know, speak out early as soon as you're unhappy. And, you know, like when you realize your problems in your marriage are serious, that's when you need to speak out and tell your spouse, I'm seriously struggling here.
00:08:55
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And i need we need to go to the marriage therapist. So the biggest mistake people make is trying to, is not telling their spouse, number one. And number two, um trying to manage it themselves.
00:09:08
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You cannot believe what a difference, excuse me, for ah therapist can make in whether your marriage makes it or not.
00:09:19
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And then if you are on the rocks, I want you to think in terms of slowing things down, just slowing things. There's no, there's no hurry to make a decision about what to do with your marriage. So I'm all about slowing things down.
00:09:35
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We want people's nervous systems to be in kind of a calm state so that they can make rational decisions. And of course, I know you're interested in, in the kids aspect of it and the kids are all important.
00:09:49
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Throughout this process. And so one of my things I coach people to do is tell them like, you have to put your kids first during a marriage crisis. And if you get divorced, I ask you to put them first.
00:10:06
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until you get them raised to a certain point where they don't really care what you're doing anymore.
Gender Roles in Seeking Help
00:10:13
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Yeah. was I think it's, if you bombard kids with too much change and transition in a short period of time, you're going to pay a very heavy price for that.
00:10:24
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So I'm asking people to, you know, let's slow this down and every little change in the process, let's take it one bite at a time so the whole family can adjust to it.
00:10:36
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You know, humans have trouble adjusting to change. And so we want to like take it, you know, and slow little bites. Baby steps. Yeah, that's, that's all. Those are all great, all great feedback.
00:10:49
Speaker
What came to mind is what would happen or what would be your advice, if you have any, on you know, I i imagine, and I don't have any data on this, that it's typically the woman who wants to seek out help and that the man is the resistant one. And I don't know, but that's just like my hallucination of of how things are just based off of- wait Probably because you know that women are the ah the consumers for self-help.
00:11:16
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You know, it's mostly of mostly women who value love and romance and the quality of love and romance, whereas- Dudes are either thinking of themselves or what what's, you know, what golf course they're going to go to this weekend, you know.
00:11:31
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yeah And so so women tend to we're wired for love more so than the man. And so but 75 percent of the time, it's the woman who initiates divorce with a man.
00:11:44
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And so in marriage crisis management, and I call those people the deciders, they're the ones that are about to pull the plug on the marriage. And then there's the leaning in partners who want to do anything to save the marriage.
00:11:58
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So it's usually the leaning in partners that call me the marriage crisis manager to help them manage this crisis to in a way to motivate their spouse to come back to
Handling Infidelity and Trust Issues
00:12:10
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the marriage. So most but yeah the majority of my clients are men.
00:12:14
Speaker
you know, yeah, ah yeah that was not what I was expecting. That's surprising. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So yeah, they, yeah. And, um, and, and there's really an art and a finesse to this, you know, and, and, you know, I'm trying to get both spouses on the same page at the same time where they both want to work on the marriage. So yeah there's a lot of self control involved in this. And sometimes we have to do a separation.
00:12:42
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um with a timeline, a reason and a purpose. um But we can have, you know, some great outcomes if people will follow my very wise instructions, Laura.
00:12:54
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I bet. Yeah, you sound like the pro. i would definitely turn to you if I was in the middle of a marriage crisis myself. So what would be your, or I guess, how do you guide your couples if there is infidelity involved?
00:13:11
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Oh, Lord. You know, dang, I hate that. um
00:13:17
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Unfortunately, you know, when when Becky first started out in this field, you know, all the signs would be there that someone's having an affair, you know, and I go well, it sounds like you're, it looks like you're having an affair. Well, I'm not, you know, and then of course you find out later that they were, know. So like i was played the fool so many times in the beginning.
00:13:38
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You know, that now I cannot be fooled anymore. Like I will not be played the fool anymore. So if someone is, know, says things like, well, I was just talking to her or it was an emotional affair only, or we only did it one time, all that kind of stuff. I will not even entertain.
00:13:55
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Yeah. We treat whatever affair is going on, whether they say it's texting only whatever the hell it is, we treat it as the worst case scenario.
00:14:06
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yeah Okay. They were having sex and a lot of it and all the time. And that's just, and they they, it makes them so mad that I handle it that way, but I got tired of being lied to. And plus any sort of breach, erotic breach of trust in a relationship is a big damn deal anyway.
00:14:26
Speaker
So why not treat it as such? I mean, to minimize that to your spouse is to me, one of the most disrespectful things. things a person could ever do. It wasn't a big deal. Well, you know what? Why do I feel like it was?
00:14:41
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So unfortunately, you know, because I've had so much experience in this realm, you know, most people We can't get people to stop having an affair. It's like they're on, if they're in a crazed state of obsession with their affair partner, it's like they're on heroin. Yes. So we have to recognize that. And I tell the leaning in partner, look, I'm so sorry,
00:15:08
Speaker
but If they say they're going to stop the affair, they will lie you. They're going to lie to you when they say that, and then they're going to start sneaking around. So it's best to just stand back and let it play out.
00:15:22
Speaker
Wow. Just let it play out. Now, most lean-in partners don't have the stomach for that. Yeah. But if you could have the stomach for that and just let it play out and let your spouse go out and act crazy. Plus, you know, once they have permission and not that it's really permission, but you're just accepting the obvious, right?
00:15:47
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It kind of loses its luster, you know you know, and so part of the appeal, I think, is the secrecy and the sneaking around and the lying, you know. So if you think you could stomach it, let it play out. Because I think that nine times out of 10, these people don't end up with that person, you know, and that thing's going to play out as soon as life gets real for them.
00:16:10
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and in And relationships that begin with affairs are very ripe for your children turning their back on you when they find out they're not going to accept your partner your new partner, if that's who you end up with.
00:16:25
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because they feel loyal to their mother or father that you cheated on, you know, and so it is, if you choose to go that route, you're going to pay such a heavy price for it, you know, so that's, that's one thing I counsel people on, is here's how, here's how it's going to play out, your kids will probably become estranged from you, they will, they will euphemistically spit in the eye of your new partner And your spouse who you're divorcing will take joy in not cooperating with you you know because the situation was so appalling.
00:17:02
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Right. So anyway, that's kind of how I approach affairs as you know, um I don't believe a word anyone having an an affair says. Absolutely. they probably It's probably opposite day when you're hearing them talk.
00:17:17
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is
00:17:19
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You know? Yeah. It's just like, you know, um it's just the nature of that beast. Right. There is no, you cannot reason with the unreasonable. You cannot rational, you can't be rationalized with them. they're They're in an insane state of mind. So we have to treat it as such.
00:17:42
Speaker
I'm sure that's not the magical answer you were hoping I was gonna say. And I know that there is really no magical answer. um I'm curious though, for the leaning in partner, you know i mean there's not like a specific timeline, but how long do you give before you just can't give anymore?
Challenges of Blended Families
00:18:02
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Well, first of all, very few are willing to tolerate that. Very few are willing to give give that a shot. so so but But during this period of time where this is going on,
00:18:15
Speaker
Even if the decider comes back to the marriage, they're not going to ever go back to how the marriage was. They're not going to go back to status quo. So the leaning in partner can spend their time very well during this period by getting therapy,
00:18:35
Speaker
getting healthy mind, body, spirit, you know, working on themselves so that whether they stay married or they don't, they're going to be well positioned for whatever question mark future that they have.
00:18:52
Speaker
So so that's that's a time where I say take your focus off of the obsessing about the affair, which everyone does, of course, yeah and being a private detective and all that stuff.
00:19:03
Speaker
Put that energy into healing yourself. and That's great advice. I really like that. So let's kind of skip a little forward maybe and imagine that whether it's affair related or not, but a marriage crisis explodes, doesn't take your advice. It doesn't go the way you're guiding them and they do end up in divorce.
00:19:26
Speaker
what happens next when people start dating and have ah start mingling, you know, new families and blended families, whatever that looks like, whether it's living together or not living together. I know that statistically, like a second marriage is a higher chance of divorce than first marriage. So guide us, guide us through your thinking on that whole situation.
00:19:46
Speaker
Yeah, well, the reason the divorce rate is higher is because of the blended family dynamic and how hard it is to get it right. And I've seen couples who just loved each other dearly have to get a divorce because their families just couldn't meld. They just could not get it to where the group was happy. Everyone was really unhappy.
00:20:09
Speaker
and So that's really sad um I will tell your podcast listeners, there is a researcher in the field of step families called, her name's ah Patricia Pappernow. You would, you know, it's spelled paper now. Okay. Patricia Pappernow. You should have her on your show.
00:20:31
Speaker
Okay. She has done the vast amount of research on step families and blending families in the world And she's very accessible. You can email her and get, you know, get her on your show. Okay. So I was talking about, you know, everybody that is even thinking of blending a family, if you're even thinking about it or you're in it, it's never too late.
00:20:54
Speaker
to learn the basic dynamics that are life-changing to understand that Patricia Pappernow has put out there in the Step Family Handbook. And she's written many books on on step families.
00:21:07
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and um and And just the basic dynamics. And there's just a few things that all of us can be super aware of. And that is that when you when you have like the original family, which is like me, my ex-husband and my kids, that's the original family. Right.
00:21:26
Speaker
And then, you know, so he breaks off and marries somebody. And now my kids have a stepmom. Well, when my, when my kids go visit them, the stepmom is likely to feel like an outsider to the original group. They've already have ways of living their lives, traditions, rituals, bath times,
00:21:49
Speaker
the kind of foods they eat and everything else. And so she may be trying to like bring new things into it and change the dynamics and stuff. And so she's gonna feel like an outsider and they may be resisting what she's bringing to the new family.
00:22:05
Speaker
yeah So it's like, and also at times my kids will feel like the outsiders to their dad and his new wife. And so it's it's it's a really important dynamic to keep in mind is that in blended families at various times and different situations, somebody is going to feel left out.
00:22:25
Speaker
not included as not as part of the group and kids have a real hard time adjusting to step families the more kids that are involved the harder it is and um and the most dicey step parenting dynamic is the step mom and the step daughter you as you could probably imagine that's yes difficult one and And just another rule of thumb is to not force people on your kids. Don't force them to call her mom or dad. a dad Don't force them to participate.
00:23:04
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Don't make it like my kid's dad used to say, did you get her a Mother's Day card? Did you tell her happy Mother's Day? He was wrong to do that to my kids. My kids didn't want to do that.
00:23:16
Speaker
and He was trying to, you know, force them to do things that they didn't feel in their heart. You know, many kids will end up loving their step parent and many kids won't.
00:23:30
Speaker
you know, and you've got to let your kid be where they are. And, you know, and and again, if they don't want to go out with the whole family, they shouldn't have to. And also, if you get a divorce, even though you remarry, you've got to still spend quality one-on-one time with your child as an individual.
00:23:50
Speaker
you You have four children. So if you did that, you know, that wouldn't mean that you're going to make a point of spending alone time with each one of your four children, you know? Right, right. And so, you know, that that's why I say like, you know,
00:24:05
Speaker
oh ah just you You need to be educated in this because yeah and and and because it's going to make such a big difference to your children's outcome. And you need to also allow allow your children when they're with you to be loyal to their mom or dad who's over at their house and still love them, have pictures of them, talk about them or whatever they need to do.
00:24:31
Speaker
Right. Last but not least, imagine that for your child to come over to you and your new wife's house that they may never feel comfortable.
00:24:42
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They may never feel as comfortable in that house as they do back at their original home or you know when they're alone with their mom or alone with dad. So don't expect them to ever settle.
00:24:56
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It's very unsettling for
Impact on Adult Children
00:24:58
Speaker
kids. Divorce, and for the most part, is something that we foist on them. right They have to deal with it. yeah So we need to be very empathetic to the situation that we've put up put them in.
00:25:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, man, those are all such valuable such valuable information. And so what about you know just playing around here? when those children do grow up and become adults themselves, like what type of expectations change? Because I imagine that there's some parents who think, oh, well, you know, you're not a child anymore. So now you have to grow up and and accept my new partner or or something like that. Like at at what point do these rules change or do they ever?
00:25:45
Speaker
They don't, they don't change. They don't change. i can't tell you how many adult people in their 30s, 40s, 50s whose parents divorced many years before, you know, cry to me, like tears, buckets of tears over the pain they feel about, you know, they can't have the relationship, say, with their dad because the stepmom's always around.
00:26:09
Speaker
Like they can't, you know, or the stepmom is trying to control them. And, the and and you know, it's just the the discomfort they feel. And maybe some some people's parent gets ill and then maybe the stepparent is controlling access to their parent.
00:26:27
Speaker
You know, and I've just seen people just cry and just... be brokenhearted, you know, over, it's like a loss of their parent to the step mom or dad.
00:26:41
Speaker
So I think that it doesn't change. I think you still have to think of your adult children as your children, you know, and they're going to be very sensitive. to slights and when you favor your new family over them and all sorts of dicey dynamics that come up so and i I wrote a blog and I write i hope everyone will visit my blog um Becky Whetstone on medium um I've written about every subject known to man including step parenting um but you know that the
00:27:16
Speaker
It doesn't, you know people that say I'm going to get a divorce when my kids graduate from high school, why wait?
Advice on Divorce Decisions
00:27:22
Speaker
Because it's going to be just as hard for them if they're out of high school in college or post-college as it is but when they're still at home. So don't think you're doing your kids any favor by waiting around. it's It's going to be really difficult for them to adjust to this no matter what, how old they are.
00:27:46
Speaker
now You know, I've seen people that said my parents' marriage was so horrible. I was relieved when they got a divorce. You will see that, but that's that's the exception.
00:27:57
Speaker
mostly hear about kids who wish their parents had not divorced. yeah My kids used to tell me like the worst thing in the whole world was divorce. That's what they ought always tell me.
00:28:10
Speaker
You know what the worst thing in the world is, mom? Divorce. You know, it just crushed my heart. Yeah. Yeah. We wish mom, you and dad could get along. We'd give anything if you and dad could get along, you know, and I, it just break my heart.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. it is it's It is. It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. Yeah. Well, I think like kind of going there, hopefully made people who were early in the process when they're still in their crisis, you know, to hear that out and to like hear all, and I'm sure most people think of it in a cognitive sense, but, um you know, to kind of internalize it in their heart.
00:28:48
Speaker
And, and I think that's probably what most people are afraid of is is hurting the children, but hopefully they can use that as motivation and fuel push. Absolutely. You can do this with wisdom. That's why I'm trying to tell everybody, don't do this alone. Get information, go talk to therapists, talk to people that specialize in children, read Patricia Papernow's books.
00:29:11
Speaker
you know, be armed with information because it makes all the difference in the world, but just try to put your, yourself in your children's shoes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's so important.
00:29:24
Speaker
So important. Cause they didn't choose this. Yes. Yeah.
Conclusion and Resources
00:29:29
Speaker
Well, um Becky, where can people find you going forward if they want more from you? My website is marriagecrisismanager.com. You can have sessions with me alone or with your spouse.
00:29:44
Speaker
And then I'm going to be offering, have a support group on Thursdays for anyone that wants to join us and talk about relationships, about their marriage or whatever. You can come see me one time or as many times as you want on Thursdays. And I think it's at 11 central.
00:30:02
Speaker
um And, you know, information is king. So yeah you'll get it on marriagecrisismanager.com and, you know, and my book, I think I want out what to do when one of you wants to end your marriage.
00:30:16
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ah they Okay, good. That was what I wanted to ask you the title. I'll clarify for the audience. um Can you say it one more time just so we heard it? Yeah. I think I want out what to do when one of you wants to end your marriage.
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Available at all booksellers online. Okay. Okay. Well, um Becky, thank you so much for your time. This was such an important conversation. And, you know, as you know, the statistics of divorce, I have found personally, um you don't see a lot of divorces and and maybe it's just me of parents with babies and toddlers and preschoolers, but the older they get, as my kids have gotten older, the more and more divorced families we encounter. And so, um you know, I'm at the stage where I'm surrounded by,
00:30:59
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and teenagers and their parents and those are my clients and then also my friends and so I'm at the high school level as far as my where my kids are and that's where I see that number going up so I know my audience is kind of at that same level developmentally where we are as far as families and so um hopefully we're catching them at the right time and if not then they can also do some work on the after side as well with you I assume yes yes yes I mean I see people through the marriage crisis and all the way out to the co-parenting and then healing beyond
00:31:30
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And course information on step parenting and blending families and all of that. So, okay. Okay. Well, thank you for the wonderful conversation today. i appreciate it. Thank you.