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Session 52 - The Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invite Looms
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We discuss the short list of collegiate results from the prior week and then get into the projected seeds for the CKLV. The biggest college wrestling event of the regular season, this year's CKLV will be a massive test for competitors both young and old.
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Transcript
Starting a YouTube channel
00:00:09
Speaker
Tell me the first thing you'd rank. I do want to start with top 10 most likable... I don't know. I got nothing. Something along those lines. I was trying to think something funny and I couldn't do it. You want to make a YouTube channel about ranking things. Like WatchMojo? Exactly.
00:00:37
Speaker
You want to do a channel like WatchMojo?
Engaging audience with controversial rankings
00:00:40
Speaker
Everybody loves rankings, videos, tier lists, all of that. discussing Discussing the controversy surrounding it? Yes. Yes, correct. you're a At the very least, okay, why don't we just wait, just give us like 30 minutes but into the show before you start.
00:01:05
Speaker
that didn cool You gotta to warm up the audience a little bit. my That was definitely all on me though. which Should've been paying it attention. What a serious note though. Yeah, ranking, at least do some rankings on wrestlers. We should, we should, uh, we should look at wrestling rankings. Shouldn't we? Yes. We definitely can't do that. No, like we'll do them.
Debate on ranking categories
00:01:34
Speaker
Well, I mean,
00:01:37
Speaker
College rankings is kind of boring, like crystal ball is really the only thing worth doing. And then high school rankings is like a lot of work, a lot of work. If you're going to do it right, you know, make it accurate. Yeah, I don't want to do high school ones for sure. I feel like you're poo pooing on our ideas right now, Ryan. why I'm not, I'm not. It's, this is valuable feedback. I will, ah you know, I think.
00:02:02
Speaker
It's important to, to cross out high school rankings. Cause yeah, that would suck. Never even considered it. Yeah. mean you Kids, kids club rankings. Yeah. I would like to do eight and under rankings and but base it strictly off of like Tulsa nationals.
00:02:21
Speaker
jeff Only Shane roller. they have you I actually, I just want to use the track wrestling future Olympian rankings, uh, matrix to, to determine, um, the top athletes in the most elite age group that makes sense of our country. Yeah.
Recording schedule and holiday impact
00:02:41
Speaker
Well, welcome back to the barn session. Everybody. We probably gonna have a pretty quick episode here. is It is a, it's been a dry week with wrestling with the holiday with Thanksgiving going on. And yeah, so.
00:02:54
Speaker
yeah huge We got a week coming up though. We do. Yeah. Yeah. ya Are we doing that in this episode? Or were you planning on waiting later in the week to try and get another podcast out of us? I just want to squeeze another out the podcast out of you guys. ah Whatever you guys want to do, really. So we don't. Okay. Where do you want to start? Cliff Keene.
00:03:24
Speaker
Do you want to start with preview? Oh no. I mean, re I guess what has any th wrestling really happened since our last meeting. We got a couple of quick results here. Uh, Nola beat, uh, Julian Ramirez. Yes. So that happened today at the Matt town open. Um,
00:03:42
Speaker
That's the most notable result, probably along with that Chris Focca also wrestled. And then there were a handful of, uh, unattached RTC athletes. Um, Max Brignola was also unattached. Julian Ramirez was unattached. I think technically that match will not count, but also apparently Lehigh is adamant about keeping him in stanchion redshirt, which is so weird. If you have a team that consists, a plan
Confusion over match results
00:04:12
Speaker
All right, moving on. ah So you're saying if you lose your red shirt, it doesn't count. They're both wrestled on attached. And I think there was, they don't have, they didn't have weight certification, um, something that there was something that will wrestle by pirates. It's something about it on, on the Twitter. Um, something about they weren't certified or something like that. So, and they both wrestled on attached. So I don't know. I don't know what the deal is. Um,
00:04:42
Speaker
Either the way. Yeah. Matt town open happened.
Reflection on past wrestling discussions
00:04:44
Speaker
Lots of RTC athletes went out there and competed, won it. And, uh, dad Brignola took out Ramirez. Chris focal won it before that. Have we even talked about the site? I didn't even talk about so i have results from like that weekend. We did. We did. oh Yeah. With the, with the, uh, Penn state, we talked about Penn state too. Wow. yeah weird You remember you were gone for a little bit of it. You had an emergency.
00:05:11
Speaker
I didn't think we talked about case, like beating Facundo. No, I don't remember know any of that. We did talk about that stuff. I'm pretty sure we did. Right. Yeah, no, I'm actually, I'm actually certain that we did. I'm certain that we talked about the, the Psyhawk duel, which means we definitely talked about black knight invite. Maybe I think, well, when was the black knight invite? Cause then we do it Saturday night, the Psyhawk duel results or Saturday.
00:05:40
Speaker
No, we definitely we covered all of it. Okay.
Illinois vs. North Carolina wrestling match summary
00:05:44
Speaker
I'm pretty sure let me let me Right, what are you watching back there? Is that Moana too? he's not I think he's watching Dragon Ball. He was watching Dragon Ball Z. No, I wasn't I was football Uh, yeah, we just we discussed the numerous outcomes from the iowa iowa state duel and the black knight invite where several penn state wrestlers rank wrestlers competed so either I uh Click baited with the description of our last episode or we actually covered it. I think we did so believe I believe in your go back here All right. ah yeah you know You go back and listen. Anyway, illinois and north carolina wrestle each other on monday a pretty um
00:06:27
Speaker
Pretty normal dual result. One-sided. Top to bottom. ah Illinois beat North Carolina, 24 to 14. Yeah, one-sided, but still still compet ah competitive. um i the most I think the most notable result in this duel is Lachlan McNeil beating Kanan Webster in sudden victory. It kind of gives you a your most accurate assessment of where Kanan Webster stacks up at this weight class and and in this field. So you can see. He can probably be could probably beat McNeil, but ah He can also obviously lose to him. So low AA is that's what right? That's what that result probably tells you low AA probably is average canan ab yeah he's probably go get better though Yeah Yeah, yeah get better Just where he's at right now. Oh and along with that 184 Gavin Kane took out Ed Ruth this one I just I don't know really where to put e at Ruth at 184 obviously, it's Not what he was doing at 174. So
00:07:26
Speaker
um But Gavin Kane's also been good in the past. Keep an eye on that one. ah On Tuesday, Northern Iowa took out Missouri 24 to 10.
Missouri's wrestling schedule analysis
00:07:39
Speaker
I want to say that this one was pretty much. They got like four dual losses, I feel like. They i mean and really opened up their schedule. and yeah I mean, let's let's take a let's take a look here and see who they wrestled they wrestled so far. it was what They lost to Virginia Tech.
00:07:58
Speaker
illinois Illinois and now Northern Iowa. They, they like to have a tough, tough wrestling schedule. That's not really their, you know, that's not, they used to have like really easy schedules and then come into NCA is highly, highly seated. Really? Yeah.
00:08:23
Speaker
This, uh, is not the case so far this year at least. Yeah. They, so they beat, I mean, they beat Northern Colorado earlier in the year, uh, 25 to 14, but their last three duels have been losses 23 to 10, 23, 14, and 24 to 10 to number seven, number 16, and number 10, Illinois should definitely be higher than number 16. Um, I guess maybe not definitely, but they definitely, they're a really good dual team. Um, yeah, but yeah, this was a pretty,
00:08:53
Speaker
Pretty standard dual result, top to bottom. Kailhappel took out Josh Edmond. Yeah. Parker Kekkeisen majored Colton Hawks. Okay. Lance Runyon took us at Nitzel. All makes sense. so ah Volker taking out Aidan Sinclair. So getting getting a better and better gauge of where Aidan Sinclair really stacks up in this ah field at 197. I think he's still got lots of adjusting to do though. He's only going to get better.
00:09:22
Speaker
Yeah, and he's probably I mean you think we do we think 97 is like where he's gonna really end up. I don't know. I I mean Probably with his you know, kind of how the lineup is shaking out right now, right? Yeah, maybe I Guess more than 97 so him being a 97 isn't that crazy? Yeah, I mean he might slim up maybe then end up going 184 I guess it could happen. I don't know how tall he is. Who's that 184 right now from Missouri? Hawks. Hawks. There's Hawks, yeah. Ryan, your dog. I mean, Elon was going to come back. So he won't, Sinclair won't be in the lineup forever. Nah, yeah. I'm guessing Sinclair just, this is his red shirt. They're using him and giving him the opportunity to compete, especially against these high level guys. I mean, he took out Zach Bronigal. So it's a pretty good one. Getting some, uh,
00:10:17
Speaker
God was getting some pizza crust there.
Minnesota vs. South Dakota State dual overview
00:10:20
Speaker
Oh, nice. And then most recently, this this happened a couple hours ago. um Minnesota took out South Dakota State 30 to three. And this is. Oh, but there are so many duels that are so many matches that were like right there for SDSU that they just like was for sure. We can we can go um top to bottom here.
00:10:45
Speaker
Cooper Flynn took out Tanner, Jordan seven to two, uh, that definitely like seven to two. If he was like, okay, five point win. That's it's a, it's a one take down, uh, exchange, right? If, if Jordan gets the take down instead of Flynn, he wins that match. So, uh, Tyler Wells, I, this, this was also felt like a competitive match, but Wells kind of pulled away and, and, and got the major 10 to two, uh, Vance von Bauer took out Julian tag, uh, eight to three.
00:11:15
Speaker
Julian tag is there too. They're both there. Yeah. Oh, did I say Gabe tag? No, you said Julian Gabe, Gabe didn't Gabe. What are you already graduate? I thought he was in the lineup. Maybe not. I don't know a couple of seasons ago, but he's not anymore. Oh yeah. No, he was. He was last year. I think was his last year. Yeah. Last year he was a senior. Yeah. He he hadn't competed since 2022 though. That's what I said.
00:11:45
Speaker
Okay, my bad. No, that's not what you said. I said, it's been a couple of seasons. You said you had done like a couple of years ago. I'm pretty sure I said he hasn't. It's all the same. It's all the same. He's playing a devil's advocate. Ryan stop letting him get under your skin. I watch i watched the devil's advocate today.
00:12:04
Speaker
I'll kill you, Reece. It's a movie. Look it up. Your spirit. Just your spirit. You can't kill my spirit. I can't. I have before and I'll do it again. My spirit is indomitable.
00:12:20
Speaker
indomitable Say it fast, Reece. Come on. Indomitable. 149 Drew Roberts took out Colin Dupil's son, victory. Obviously a match that can swing the other way. Charlie, Charlie Millard for Minnesota took out Kobe Seabrick. Uh, 165 Andrew Sparks took out Drake roads and South Dakota state's lone win at 174 K Devos took out Clayton Whiting two to zero. So again, maybe not, you know, maybe by with the way they were wrestling, Devos was in in control of the whole match, but it's two O match. It's one take down away from being flipped the other way and being a complete shutout, but I don't know.
00:13:00
Speaker
Uh, Max Meccanelli takes out Bennett Berge and tiebreakers nine to six. So the kid's good. He's, and he's, he's show himself matchy loss before, I believe. Uh, maybe outside of college. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Uh, Isaiah Salazar took out Zach Glaser eight to one. This was kind of a, I think it was a reversal to, to, uh, to near fall. So, um,
00:13:30
Speaker
probably a match. The exact leisure can win as Ryan said, but, uh, yep. And at two 85, Gable Steve seemed to gets a tech fall in two and a half minutes. So it was definitely a winnable duel for SDSU. The most winnable 30 to three win ever. Maybe might be.
00:13:51
Speaker
What do you think? It could have worn 25. I don't know. Could they really win 20? Tanner Jordan is like, I don't know. ah Looking that good. Who who is that 25 for Minnesota? Cooper fine super flow. Yeah, I don't think I don't think he's being Cooper fun, maybe
CKLV 125 lbs preview
00:14:08
Speaker
Maybe in CA's Dude, that's that's when that is when Tanner Jordan comes to life is the postseason. He is like 27,000 years old to 27,000 He's pretty old He's good. He's like on that biblical You know Whatever they were on back then here
00:14:29
Speaker
Scaling power scaling for the Bible scaling. Yeah, those cells were yeah on a different level. Yeah, this is his so he was Jack rabbit wrestling club in 2020 and then freshman year freshman year sophomore junior senior So this is his sixth college season really nothing crazy but nothing crazy. He's been around Yeah, I mean, if if not winnable, definitely something that looks way more competitive.
00:15:00
Speaker
um But yeah, this this is a good Minnesota team. Yeah, they're just coming on. and They're very good. i mean And like they didn't even have their starter wrestle, 157. Who's their starter? ah Tommy Askey. Oh, yeah. I think, unless Charlie Millard's good. And I don't know about it, maybe. it's Charlie Millard is good. miller Yeah, Millard's good.
00:15:24
Speaker
Yeah, but like good enough to be over ASCII. Probably. Okay. All right. You might be banged up. Yeah, that's, that's probably the most likely result or reason. So, okay. That, I mean, those are our, that's our very short list of results. So I guess at this point, if you guys want to take a look at the CPLV and what we can expect moving forward this week, cause it is, it is a pretty massive, um, it's the, it's the biggest thing outside of conferences and NCAs, right?
00:16:05
Speaker
It's true. Okay. Not even, it's not even close at this point. No. Midlands has fallen off scuffles. Not what it used to be. I agree. I completely agree with what you're saying. Let me see. So, uh, Willie put out something for, he put out projected CKLV seeds and the most interesting Vegas entries. Let me pull those up.
00:16:36
Speaker
just so that we have them. Projected CKLV seeds. What is this? What? Oh, teams. Okay. That's why. So confused. Okay. How do you want to start this? Do you want to just go wait by wait and look at the, look at the list of names here and talk about it or what do you want to do? that Wait by way.
00:17:02
Speaker
All right. Uh, at one 25, you have, uh, Richie Figueroa. These are potentials and we kind of know Richie Figueroa probably won't show up, but if he does cool, Richie Figueroa, Caleb Smith, Matt Ramos, Tanner Jordan, choice, Bradley, Jory Volk, Nico Provo, Greg Diakkima Hollis, Brendan McCrone, Eddie Ventresca, Vince Robinson, Cooper Flynn, Diego Sotelo, Maximo rent, rent area. That's the 14 top 14 guys. Uh,
00:17:31
Speaker
That's kind of crazy to see right off the bat. um It's crazy. It's funny because it says Cooper Flynn, Michigan, but that's fine. Where'd you find these pre-seeds? Rockfin, brother. Rockfin. I think these are these are like projected seats. So they're not pre-seeds. They're not like anything official.
00:18:00
Speaker
Uh, but this gives you the list of guys and what you can look for and, and, um, I wanted to look at them. What share them, share them with us somehow, dude there. Okay.
00:18:15
Speaker
Copy the whole page there. Yeah. Uh, who among this list drops or pops out to you the most? Let me open them.
00:18:30
Speaker
Oh, wait, I gotta, I gotta log in. Yep. All right. All right. Read, just read me in the list again. I don't have a login. Richie Figueroa, Caleb Smith, Matt Ramos, Tanner Jordan, Troy Spratly, Jory Volk, Nico Provo, Greg Diakamahales, Brendan McCrone, Eddie Ventresca, Vince Robinson, Cooper Flynn, Diego Sotelo, and Maximo Renteria.
00:18:55
Speaker
Hmm probably Vince Robinson or maybe even Tresca Vince is the most interesting unknown It would be awesome to see ventress could come back out and and reassert himself as a guy who finished on the podium two years ago ah Can you do it again this year? Yeah twelve Yeah, honestly Yeah, cuz a couple things to mention Figueroa had to injury default from his last two competitions. The rumor is that Deakma Hollis is gonna be kind of on a pitch count this year. So it's likely we won't see him compete. And Niko Probo hasn't wrestled yet. So all those three things considered you have. Caleb Smith, super tough, has looked has looked solid this year. um Matt Ramos, we obviously know what Matt Ramos is about.
00:19:50
Speaker
Yeah, but that I mean, that's a great that's that shows you that that he's got that type of push in his room, right? um The pressure is not coming from outside the room. um Yeah, and then you have you have these this ah big 12 trio here Tanner Jordan, Troy Spratly and enjoy Volk. Folks taking some losses, he's probably going to want to get those back. And Brendan McCrone, who like I'm taking Spratly to win this and Vinnie to be second. Yeah. I'm going to go. I'll take shoot.
00:20:35
Speaker
Oh, I think Ramos wins this. I think Ramos wins this and he's got Vince Robinson in the finals or Vince Robinson takes third, something like that. Robinson is going to impress a lot of people.
00:20:45
Speaker
I'll take Spratly as well All right, yeah over whoever I don't know rainbows something like that for sure. Okay moving on 133 Dylan Ragus and Evan Frost Tyler Knox Connor McGonigal Zeth Romney's Nick Buzakis Julian Klaibov Brett Unger Jacob van D Jett Strickenberger Corey land Derek Cardinale and ah Oklahoma State, they've got Reese Whitcraft and Cale Hughes.
CKLV 133 lbs and 141 lbs preview
00:21:17
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I could send anybody tough there.
00:21:20
Speaker
ah I want to look something up real quick to see how this guy has done so far this year, because I am pretty high on him. Which guy? He's two and am interested in Corey Land if he stays healthy. Yeah, very interesting. Mm hmm. Him.
00:21:44
Speaker
Uh, Strickenberger up at one 33. Tyler Knox back in the lineup from, you know, not wrestling in the post-season last year. um I don't think Connor McGonagall wrestled. No, he didn't. He didn't. Yeah. yeah much Yeah. I'm talking about earlier this year. Like he hasn't lost last week. He didn't wrestle. Yeah.
00:22:13
Speaker
But the only one who's like listed as a concern to not compete is Unger. Again, injuries with Cornell, possibly. so ah But yeah, I think a lot of these guys are gonna be playing catch up with Dylan Ragison.
00:22:29
Speaker
Who can make mistakes, but he's my pick to win it. I'm picking McGonagall over Knox. Ragison taking third.
00:22:41
Speaker
And, uh, boozy is taking forth. Are you writing these down? Backside boozy. That is backside busy. I'll take Ragison. Yeah. What are you writing down? I'm writing my picks down. I don't know about you guys. Yeah. You got it. If you want to write your picks down, you always, you always keep yourself busy during these is something I've noticed. Yeah. And I don't know. It looks like, you know, he likes to look busy. Like he's always doing something.
00:23:10
Speaker
I am doing something. I'm not busy. Hey, reth take your, your, my psychoanalysts my stack comment analysis, take your little comments. Show them where the, show them where the sun don't shine. You don't like my little comments. It's not. It's not interesting.
00:23:32
Speaker
All right, moving on one 41 41 41 Jesse Mendez, Brock Hardy, Cale Hapel, Sergio Lemley, Josh Coderhant, Jordan Titus, Tagan Jamison, Kai Orini, ah Chris Cannon, Hayden Drury, Vince Cornella also again listed to be probably are questionable. He's coming back from an injury from last year. um Sam Latona, Kai Owen, Zach Redding, Cole Brooks, Jason Miranda, e Eli Griffin, Emilio Yasaguri.
00:23:59
Speaker
um Yeah, this is this is a tough wait. Lots of questions here. I'm excited for that one.
CKLV 149 lbs detailed preview
00:24:08
Speaker
That is an interesting one. ah Zach Redding and Hayden Drury and Sam Latona, seeing those guys, because Drury just had a big 5-0 win over Oreni. Latona up at this weight. He took a bad loss. but I can't remember who, too. um And Zach Redding back in the lineup.
00:24:29
Speaker
interested to see where he, where he gets himself. Um, but again, nobody's touching Jesse Mendes here. I'm going to go Jesse Mendes, Sergio Lemley in the finals. And then Kale Apple takes out Brock Hardy for third. Yeah. Who you got winning it? Uh, Mendes. I don't think he's listening to Sherman. It just, he's looking so good.
00:25:01
Speaker
I have Mendez over Hapel in the finals and Hardy takes third over Yasiguri. Yeah. Wait. So Yasiguri wasn't it, it was two years ago, right? Where he, he like pinned Brock Hardy or something like that, right? Yeah. We didn't qualify that year because he didn't have enough matches to get, uh, to get a, uh, bid.
00:25:30
Speaker
Bad writer, whatever. Um, and, uh, he, he didn't, he didn't get an automatic, but he didn't play sign up at pack 12. Yes. Okay. Um, but so then he redshirted last year. Is that what happened?
00:25:52
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Okay. Uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know about him yet. Keep an eye on him though. That'll be a really That'll be a really interesting guy. How's he wrestled this year? Yes, he has I think I took Mendez ah Let me let me confirm that he has wrestled this year. Oh Yeah, he's one and two He's lasted taking Jameson five to one and
00:26:26
Speaker
Oh, all right. I would like to, uh, switch my case. Okay. Taking James in. I would like to go to the win at three and Hardy at four. His other loss was a four one loss to Danny Pacino. I'm picking Brock Hardy to win it. There's dude. I would love that, but I just feel like if he wrestles Mendez, he's going to get smashed.
00:26:55
Speaker
Why there was not a it was a closest match, you know, it was back and forth and in the semis until he got spoiled Yeah again, they wrestled last year at CKLV and yeah, he got smashed a bunch of times at CKLV ugly Apparently he was going through some stuff or something. I don't know. I think you're right This could be it. This could be the year man But he really came on at the end of the year. I'll tell you that much. I Yeah. Agreed.
00:27:28
Speaker
I hear you on that. Yeah, his closest match so far this year was a 2-0 win over Dylan Chapel. A very frustrating Bucknell wrestler to watch. I and don't love watching him wrestle, but... Okay, 149.
00:27:46
Speaker
Caleb Henson, Ty Waters, Ridge Lovett, Anthony Ichimendia, Chance Lamer, Dylan D'Amelio, Jaden Abbess, Jesse Vasquez, Collin Reelbudo, Caleb Wilchel, Carter Young, Sammy Alvarez, Alec Martin, Sam Cartell, Ahoy Biscons, Dylan Gilcher, Ethan Fernandez. ah Do you guys remember where Sammy Alvarez was wrestling this year? Rider. Correct. Dude, imagine if they had Alvarez and Ferrari.
00:28:15
Speaker
They've been crazy. What have been happened to the other Ferrari? The middle brother? Yes. No idea. I think he's transitioning into fighting. And why did Edmund D. I only get his last name? Why? I don't know. why It's all too long. Too long. So I can, he I can spell it. Jimin D. Anthony's just, he lost me.
00:28:40
Speaker
Um, this is, this is range Anthony. And who else, who else is there at the top? Kayla waters. Henson. Yeah. Uh, yeah, there's, there's pretty clear separation here. I think after etchamindia and maybe laymer can beat etchamindia. I guess that you mean it could fall to like laymer D'Amelio, maybe Abbess Vasquez is having a better year, right?
00:29:06
Speaker
Isn't he starting to to come back to form? I don't know. I haven't seen him wrestle yet. Jesse Vasquez. He is 7-2 this year. His losses are to Kanan Webster, oh twenty one to seven andra waseluski who who I want to keep an eye on this year. He's having a pretty good season. ah But definitely better overall, Kross Was a was was a loose key for your muscles for Penn. He's looked pretty good. um He lost eight to seven to Canyon Webster. But other than that, he's undefeated. So. He's a guy to keep an eye on throughout the season, and he he had a good. He had a good, I guess, gray shirt season last year, ah he went.
00:30:00
Speaker
ah 18 and three, his losses were, ah Shannon Hanna, four to three, Corbin Munson, five to three, and Kanan Webster, seven to three. So, guy to keep an eye on throughout the year. ah But okay, I still, yeah, Echiminde can lose to some of these guys. Collin Reelbudo named it to keep an eye on because he's kind of coming back from where he used to be after his Olympic redshirt.
00:30:30
Speaker
But Henson Waters love it. I think the battle battle comes for the title comes from these three.
00:30:40
Speaker
And I think I'm going to think I'm going to stay basic and give it to Henson. That's very basic of you. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to say love it wins it. I'm going to say i love it Henson in the finals. Like last year. And Etchemendia takes third over, over Waters.
00:31:00
Speaker
Like last year, yeah. But I think, I think we'll see Lovett score more in this match. I think so. Somehow, yeah. Don't ask me. It's kind of an issue for him. He doesn't have a lot of ways to score on his feet. Yeah, so that might be something he hopefully has been working on, right? I don't think so. I don't think I do that.
00:31:30
Speaker
Never mind. That never happens. Well, what do you think's going to happen? I don't know.
00:31:39
Speaker
OK. I don't know. I want to pick Ejimendia. I want to. That's a crazy pick. Why? You should have beat Parco. Do it, not do it. You do it. I won't. I won't because I want you to. Fine, Ejimendia. All right.
00:31:59
Speaker
right I picked Lovett, then Etch-Mendia takes second, Henson is third, and Biskins is fourth. Yeah, I don't know if I could ever envision a situation where Etch-Mendia beats Ridge Lovett. That could be tricky. Maybe you won't have to. I just think about Etch-Mendia's match with Jaden Ironman.
00:32:24
Speaker
jaden aman yeah demolishes his ankle like five years ago i understand i'm just saying ridge love it is better at the cradle game than no he is not cradle game dayton ironman's cradle was definitely better jane ironman definitely he cradled yani diacomihalis he cradled loam tadzi he cradled so many guys I understand, but. I'm going to say, I'm going to say as a whole Ridge Lovett's top game, definitely better than, than, uh, Jaden Ironman's. Lovett's is India, Henson and Biskins. That's my top four. Who has, has Ridge Lovett ever written out a guy as good as Nick Lee? I don't think so.
00:33:12
Speaker
Uh, I'd have to go back and look, but maybe. Yeah, maybe. Hmm. Hmm. I guess the first thing to figure out who was as good as Nick Lee, right? And how good was Nick Lee at the time? That was when he beat him in the national finals. Jaden beat him by writing him out at conferences. At big tons? Yeah. I was going to say, Jaden did not beat him in the national finals, actually. They did not. read Um, actually, actually fricking nerd. Okay. Actually, uh, fuck you, Sammy. Wow. All right. I mean, we're 33 minutes into it so you can do whatever you want to do. I guess. All right. Uh, one 57 again wait is tough. Yeah,
CKLV 157 lbs analysis and predictions
00:34:01
Speaker
but okay. So starting off top seed would all almost likely be Meyer Shapiro. I don't think we're going to see him.
00:34:09
Speaker
But we we might, I don't know. After that, Antrell Taylor, Peyton Keller, Ryder Downey, Ed Scott, Patti Gallagher, Panero Johnson, Trevor Chumbly, Chase Saldate, Joey Blaze, Teague Travis, also questionable. ah Kobe Seabrick, Colton Washlesky. Wash, Washlesky, yeah. Jared Hill, Raphael Hippolito, Ethan Styles, Greiger Chalakian, Jimmy Harrington, Legend Lamer. Yo, no front runner whatsoever.
00:34:38
Speaker
I keep zoning out when you read the top part of the list, the most important part. And trial, Taylor, Peyton Keller, Ryder Downey, Ed Scott, Patty Gallagher. I think I think I think Trelli is I think he's got ah the at least the opportunity to separate himself from this pack, but I agree with the fact that he because he had a I think it was a three point match or a one takedown match, something like that with with the with Ethan Styles, who is at the bottom of the list, so.
00:35:04
Speaker
But Stiles is a guy who could definitely race his stock way up in this bracket at this tournament. so
00:35:13
Speaker
i I'm keeping an eye on Joey Blaze, Chase Altate, Panero Johnson. I just can't make up my mind. How how dinged up is Teague Travis? What's the the verdict on this kid?
00:35:26
Speaker
ah He I guess his status is unknown at the moment. This is what I'm reading. I'm going to put I'm going to give the win. Give the win. I'm going to say the winner, the guy who earned it is.
00:35:49
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Crap. Shit. Well, shoot. Well, man. You don't have to be so prolific about it.
00:36:00
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Yeah, I'm doing it. What do you mean? Okay. All right. I'll say Peyton Keller. Not you saying me. I was talking to Ryan. Okay. Uh, I'll do Peyton Keller. I think he's, I think he's taken out PJ in the finals. Charlie took a loss somewhere early. Yep. Who's PJ? It'd be great if you could find a way to, uh, PJ just say his name.
00:36:29
Speaker
Peneer on the list. No one calls him PJ. All right. Oh, i he believe, oh, Virginia Tech, obviously a guy that that people are very interested in seeing because he comes from such an interesting background. So that's another one. But lots of lots of question marks here, even Gregor Chilakian, who I are we is Cardenas in redshirt. Are we not going to see him this year? Yeah, he's retreading. OK. Chilakian is good. Great. ah Pretty pretty.
00:36:59
Speaker
Great Greco resume. And then Jimmy Harrington had a a a host of upsets at ah the Journeyman Classic. So there's a lot to, there's just a lot to sink your teeth into at this weight.
00:37:18
Speaker
Yeah. What are you gonna, oh so what are you gonna, what are you gonna pick, Reese? I pick, who were the top four again?
00:37:28
Speaker
Shapiro on trail Taylor Peyton Keller Ryder Downey, but Shapiro probably won't wrestle so that makes the top four on trail Taylor Peyton Keller Ryder Downey and Scott I'll take intro Taylor Yeah, I mean it there's deaf there's a very real possibility that he just kind of runs through this bracket um Okay um one sixty I've got DeNiro Johnson over Ed Scott, Ryder Downey for third, and Onchill Taylor takes fourth. What about Ed Scott are you reading right now? This is just what I'm going with. He's six and two. He lost to Jude Swisher and Jimmy Harrington. Yeah, this is his tournament right here. Yeah, early season Ed Scott. That's tough. That's a tough horse to back.
00:38:16
Speaker
Early Ed Scott is not my pick. I can tell you that right now. He is somehow going to beat on trail Taylor. He's going to be Patty Gallagher in the quarters and then on child Taylor in the semi. So ah you have the seeds, the pre-seeds that right here. These aren't even pre-seeds dude. They're projected seeds that they don't have pre-seeds yet. The same thing. No, it's all right. Whatever. Who projected them? The brain. Okay. The brain. All right. No, you're right. You're right. I can't, I can't.
00:38:46
Speaker
Oh, hey. I hail the can't besmirch the greatest mind in wrestling.
CKLV 165 lbs comprehensive discussion
00:38:50
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One sixty five. Peyton Hall, Terrell, Barraclough, Hunter Garvin, Sammy Sasso, M.J. Gaitton, Cam Amin, Will Miller, Brock Mantonona, Max Mayfield, Nico Ruiz, Bubba Wilson, Luca Wicks, Stoney Buel, Drake Rhodes. You read them so fast. How am I supposed to remember all those names? Well, dude, it would really help if you just logged in using the rocket, the Rockfin credentials that you have. Don't I have to have a. Don't. Oh, OK. What is the login? Say it out loud.
00:39:17
Speaker
Right. Are you typing it? Nope. You got it. Okay. I got it. And I got it. Uh,
00:39:26
Speaker
there we go. Um, Luca Wicks, Stoney Buel, Drake road, Caesar Alvin, Derek Fields, Jack Thompson. Okay. yeah Maybe these seeds, maybe these seeds aren't so good at 65 because there's, there's just no way camamine is getting seated below Guy Tan and Sammy Sasso.
00:39:45
Speaker
Sasso, I could see. Gaitan, not so much. um
00:39:52
Speaker
Honestly, yeah, my my guy at this weight is going to be Bearclaw. That's my pick. Will Miller's is someone to keep an eye on. Nico Ruiz. ah And of course, we always love to cheer on the champ Bubba Wilson.
00:40:08
Speaker
um He he took I think it was two years ago where he lost round one and then came all the way out the backside and took fourth or third or something like that. Are we are we sure about that password?
00:40:22
Speaker
ah Those are two zeros race. I know. Try that. Ryan, did I type it in incorrectly? I'm not even freaking looking. Hold on.
00:40:39
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Give us, give us a second. Don't do the last part. Oh yeah. they Don't, yeah don't, don't do the last digit. My bad. There you have it. There you have it. Uh, honestly, I don't think there's a lot that can be done in the bottom half of these seeds. Brock Mantonona can be a guy. It brought Brock Mantonona, Nico Ruiz in,
00:41:07
Speaker
Bubba, maybe, maybe can, maybe cannot. I don't know. We'll see if he can. Get to the the top eight here, but I've got the top four. Guy Tom probably shouldn't be this high. It'll be there. There's a good chance. There's a chance. I don't know if it's a good chance. There's a chance that we don't see Sami Sasso wrestle.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah, this will be an interesting this. will This will give us a lot of clarity on this weight class. If Bear Clock can navigate a tournament, especially one with with this much competition, he's a guy that you have to, you start to pencil down, when do we get to see him wrestle Mitchell Messenbrink? Right? Sure. I think that's the case. Sure. You think so, huh? What do you think is the case? He thinks that if Bearclaw can navigate this tournament successfully, then it's time to wonder what a match between the him and Mitchell Messenbrink is going to look like.
00:42:08
Speaker
Sounds wit like wishful thinking to me. What do you mean? Why are you saying that? I don't know. I mean, you know what I mean. Let me translate for you. Let me translate for Reese. Reese is trying to say that messing brink is unbeatable this year. Well, definitely not losing to that guy. To Barricol? Would that mean like if it was going to be to anybody, wouldn't it be Barricol? Yeah, probably. I don't know.
00:42:36
Speaker
Dude, I think the storylines, the parallels to what we've seen with David Taylor and Bubba Jenkins. Jamie, can you even spell parallel? Pretty sure, yeah. I'm just kidding. Sorry. All right, I'm in. Is that it? Right there? Or is that wrong? You got it. Yeah, nice. All right. I'm not even on that screen right now, to be honest with you. I have no idea if you wrote it correctly or not.
00:43:06
Speaker
Okay. Uh, I mean, yeah, maybe you're right, but like, it's wishful thinking to to say that that could happen right now, but after this tournament, if he wins it, maybe it's less skeptical. Maybe you can be less skeptical, right? Less of a ah dreamer to say that is a possibility. I think, rethink I think the only person I'm actually truly maybe slightly hopeful.
00:43:33
Speaker
Four is others to probably Julian Ramirez and Hunter Garvin. Yeah. Yeah. That's possible. With this with this loss to Bregnola from Ramirez less hopeful. Yeah, not good. But I don't know what I don't know what's going on there. I don't know. There seems to be something. Something stirring at Cornell with like they have guys who are really good, but aren't wrestling. And they'll, they'll, they'll like, I don't know. It feels like they always just put it together for the end of the season. Um, but they never seem to be a whole team before the end of the year. Oh yeah. And Sammy Sasso. That's another guy who I think could push mess and brink. I don't, I feel like that would be a really ugly match. Yes. Why I say means that no one's ever obliterated Sammy Sasso.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah, but he would just get to the legs and finished way too easy on sassos sassos sassos defense wouldn't work on that on guy like mess and break might be right. Yeah, I don't know. I I don't I just can't even I don't know. I gotta a I gotta see that match. So you think even with with if he was like 100% no way is what you're saying, right?
00:44:51
Speaker
I don't know. but I think a hundred percent. Sammy Sasso was a different thing versus what he used to be prior to this life altering event. So I think, I think as far as scrambling goes, maybe, maybe like the injury will hinder his scrambling ability less than other facets of his game. So you think he can still scramble the way he used to.
00:45:16
Speaker
I would think so, but maybe not. Maybe he can't twist his body the way he used to. How do you pick to win this tournament? Me? I'm 65. I guess I'll pick Sammy Sasso.
00:45:34
Speaker
bri I'm going Amine, Baraclaw, Mantinona, Garvin. Those are my top four. Interesting. This guy is... He's...
00:45:46
Speaker
Balls deep right now. What's wrong with that? With this? Balls deep, yeah. All right. Go pokes, right?
00:46:00
Speaker
ehoo that's You just pulled that off your foot. That's disgusting. I can't believe you're wearing something like that, man. Yeah, I don't even know. I mean, I wish I could move my camera to show you the like pad thing that I have right now. The mouse pad? It's like a mouse pad. slash I got my keyboard on it. Desk pad? Desk pad, sure. It's called that. OK.
00:46:25
Speaker
Alright, 174. What I got from that is you're unfaithful and a polygamist,
CKLV 174 lbs expectations
00:46:31
Speaker
basically. That's what I gathered from that. In what way, shape, or form? I went to a Division II school and a junior college. I can have whatever allegiance I want. I don't know how that how that relates to anything. What do you mean? what How many schools you went to?
00:46:49
Speaker
That means they as far as division one schools go I can like whoever I want whenever I want so people don't oh, okay I see. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah You're calling me a polygamist. I'm allowed to be I mean one of the many perks, you know, there's a lot of There's a lot of I would get one but Shit for for doing something similar you would get shit. Yeah, I feel like you'd give me shit for sure. I Well, you went to the one school. You already you all you already give me shit for, you know, I mean, not anymore. But the Penn State thing, you definitely gave me shit about that. Both of you guys. About the what? I'm sorry. Penn State. OK, I'm sorry. You're not sorry. I am. I am sorry. Liar. I am sorry. I don't remember what I did, but I'm not even mad about it, but I definitely am going to. Never mind.
00:47:46
Speaker
and 174. Let's move on. You went to KU. So you're allowed to have allegiances to whatever wrestling school you want race. As far as I'm concerned, as many as I want as many as you want. All right. That's cause KU is the only division one school you touch. Sammy, on the other hand, he's bounded too. I mean, just to be bounded too is is a blessing. So we're all just,
00:48:14
Speaker
Infidels and really one more than the other one way more than the other one what one. I will die by Two I will swear by Okay 174 K DeVos Lenny Wolek Dean Hamady Lorenzo Norman Lenny Pinto Carson Hartschlop Simon Ruiz Brevin Cassella Danny Wask Matt wear he Frickin Wask. I don't know why it's a Danny Wask. Matt Singleton, Jared Sima, Adam Kemp, Garrett Thompson, Joe Walker, Brody Bauman, Michael Wilson, Brody Connolly, Aidan Riggins, Sean Harmon. You don't need to read. You didn't need to read like a lot of those because you i wanted to get to Sean Harmon. This is the easiest pick of them all. Sorry. I'm sorry. I was looking at one ninety seven. Sorry. Wask. Who? Who are you picking?
00:49:10
Speaker
DJ committee. That's I think. Yes. Of them all either race, by the way. Yeah. any of the ways Yeah. Wait till you get to one eighty four. Brother. Oh, yeah. Forgot about that guy. Well, we hadn't got there yet. Oh, oh. Yeah. ah Dean Hamidi, maybe Lorenzo Norman. I'm not forgetting about him. Kate DeVos and Lenny Woolock are also obviously very tough. But yeah, if Hamidi can show that like If he can show some sort of separation in this tournament, Oh my God, that's terrifying. That, that, that tells you to, if you are, uh, Levi Haynes and, and Keegan O'Toole buckle up, like get ready. You have a very tough cowboy coming for you. Right? Yes, yeah sir. Okay.
00:50:06
Speaker
okay Uh, yeah. rope and ride I'm to, I'm going to pick, I'm going to pick Dean Hamity. Uh, keep an eye out on, on Simon Ruiz, Lorenzo Norman, Jared Sima, obviously. Um, that might be it as far as people that I am keeping an eye on. Oh, I, I, I screwed up the fricking lyrics to the song.
00:50:33
Speaker
You're not a cowboy.
00:50:38
Speaker
I didn't even know the second part. I didn't even know what came after what I said. Rope and ride. I didn't know that. I thought he was saying rodeo out, honestly. That's what he said.
00:50:54
Speaker
Are we are we done are we moving on to 184? Did you are just you are just the biggest party? I don't even reveal my pics yet. All right reveal reveal yourself to me. I have Careful what you wish for I have Dean committee taking first Lorenzo Norman taking second Leonard Pinto Bean taking third and Carson Karchla taking fourth. Dude, I the Hartzler pick is such a tough pick. He's back. I just want to see him healthy again. I think picking Norman over like Devos, I think that's crazy. That could happen. Oh man, it's so... I don't know. Because Devos, Devos is high up there, but I don't feel like he's safely
00:51:47
Speaker
in the tier that he's in, right? We'll look at his season last year, you know? He had really one slip up. Who was it to? Was it to Wolak? I think it was Wolak, yeah. And then maybe maybe some slip ups on the backside, but I can't even remember how he finished. OK.
00:52:08
Speaker
um Yeah, I think he had one loss last year before that to Griffith. I think think Norman, just keep an eye on Norman. I think, I think he's going to surprise some people, but he's going to have some highs and lows too. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. One 84, uh, it is, it does, it does feel very next topic. Like, do you guys think, well, let me list off the names here.
184 lbs brief analysis
00:52:33
Speaker
Parker Kekkeisen, Dustin Plott, Bennett Berge, Silas, all red, Dylan Fishback, Evan Bachman, Ryder Rogotsky, TJ Stewart, Jaden Bullock, uh, Will Ebert, James Riley, Isaac Dean, Danny Williams. Uh, do we,
00:52:46
Speaker
Do we think anybody in this in this field can give any interesting match-up for Parker Keck-Eisen? New. Ryan?
00:53:04
Speaker
What might make him... Close, it might not get bonus. that If if T.J. Stewart wasn't having such a terrible start to his season, I would say I'm interested in seeing how that goes or or Dylan Fishback. We already saw the Bergy match and it could be different. It may be Silas Allred coming down from one ninety seven. Maybe that's interesting to look at. But yeah, I mean, it does. It's it's Parker Keck eyes and Parker Keck eyes and then Carter Storachi. Well, the other way around.
00:53:37
Speaker
And it's going to stay that way until I'm proven wrong, basically, so. OK. All right. One ninety seven.
197 lbs and AJ Ferrari excitement
00:53:52
Speaker
Oh, bye boy, boy. So there's rumors that AJ for. OK, so we're not making it. Willy says projected thing.
00:54:06
Speaker
that says he got first in 1867. Yeah, that's what I was laughing at earlier, guys. That's why I was laughing. By the way, I picked Cack Eisend, Platt, Allred, and Berge. Those are my top four, 184. You keep skipping me, though, and I resent you for that, Sammy. You got to be faster than that, buddy. No, no, no. You have to eat cow wiener. All right.
00:54:31
Speaker
So yeah, there's, there's word possibly AJ Ferrari is dealing with an injury. Maybe maybe not. We'll see. But if he's in the field, great. He'll be there with Jacob Cardenas, Zach Glazier, ooh, eyeballs, uh, Trey Munoz, Luke Geog, uh, Andy Smith or Sonny Sasso for Virginia Tech, Luke Serber, Wyatt Volcker, Joey Novak, Christian Carroll, Nick Stemit, Evan Bates, Mikey DeLaGotta, Cam McDaniel, McDaniel, uh, Christian, not Peyton Thomas.
00:55:00
Speaker
Yeah, I want to see I want to see a lot of these top matchups and I want to see if sassos wrestling I'm sunny sasso. I want to see that Luke server getting himself involved in and the chaos along with Christian Carol. Yeah, this can be a really fun weight class, especially if AJ Ferrari's there. There's gonna be so many eyeballs just wanting to see what's going to happen, especially, especially if he wrestles that glacier, but if he doesn't, it's still worth it. It's still a very and entertaining weight class. Um, I'm going to give my, if, if he wrestles, it's AJ Ferrari. Um, and I'm not even going to think about if he doesn't. Um, and I think he, I think he gets Jacob Cardenas in the finals.
00:55:47
Speaker
I've got Cardenas, Ferrari, server, Sasso. If Ferrari wrestles, if Ferrari doesn't wrestle, then basically shift server and Sasso up and put Glazer up for it. You think you got Cardenas beating up Ferrari, huh? I have Cardenas as the champ, no matter who you have there. Wow. Unless Steven Buchanan was there, then it would be different.
00:56:14
Speaker
So you think it's Buchanan, Cardenas, Ferrari, somebody else that I'm forgetting, Elon. Elon might even be able to beat Ferrari right now. Interesting. See how healthy he is.
00:56:32
Speaker
Give me Luke, server. Give me Luke. Maybe. server to win it. did you like that race Yeah. Let me, if he beat Tremunios, so don't rule it out, but Tremunios, Zach Glaser, Jacob Cardenas, Jacob Cardenas is that's a tough, that is a tough obstacle to navigate.
00:56:57
Speaker
But you nonetheless, says I, we are moving on to heavyweight.
Heavyweight contenders overview
00:57:03
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starting at the top Wyatt Hendrickson, ah younger bestita questionable, Colton Schultz, Isaac Trumbull, Nick Feldman, Jimmy Mullen, Cory Day, Jordan, Jordan, greer yeah, Jordan Greer, ah Lance Runyon, Luke Rasmussen, Trevor Tinker, Ashton Davis, again questionable for Cornell, ah Harley andrews Andrews, Michael Wolfgram. And yeah, that's it. This feels like a quiet wait class.
00:57:33
Speaker
quiet But also still pretty stacked still pretty stacked those top six right there. Those are really good top six. Yeah If I can see Nick Feldman and Jimmy Mullen I'm interested in that matchup. I'm interested in seeing Feldman Russell Hendrickson and bestita Trumble as well. Yeah, that's that's all very interesting. I'm taking Hendrickson to win it obviously and I'm going to say he gets trouble in the finals, and that might be a competitive match. That could be fun. So yeah, that's what I got. I'll take Hendrickson. I mean, how can you not? You can't. If you've watched this podcast, you know.
00:58:20
Speaker
Ryan? Uh, yeah, obviously I'm taking Hendrickson Feldman at second, Schultz at third, and Mullen at fourth. If Bastita wrestles, insert Bastita at second, shifts Feldman and Schultz down to 34th. Dang, Trumbull outside the top four, huh? Yeah. You're high on Trumbull, I am not yet. Not yet, huh? So whenever his stock goes up, you buy mine, I make money? That's what that's right. All right. If I ever buy the stock.
00:58:51
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, yeah, that is, that is the C K L V projected seeds from a one wheelie sailor.
Predictions for CKLV top teams
00:59:03
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He has Nebraska slated to win it, which makes sense. I think based on the seeds. Um,
00:59:16
Speaker
okay, dude. um Um, what do you have Oklahoma state?
00:59:23
Speaker
I do. I got Oogie State, Michigan, Nebraska, my top three. Did you do that based off of the projections that you put down? Yeah. Okay. Interesting. All on paper? I just did a quick glance here and was like, this is probably what it looks like right now. Oh, okay. So you're eyeballing it. Yep. Okay. I don't have Cornell doing very well because I basically don't have any of their killers wrestling. I don't think we're going to see any of their top dogs.
00:59:53
Speaker
But if they brought their whole, their whole team, then, they you know, they would look really, really good. o Dude. If they, if they, yeah, they just never, they're never a team that's ready. Like in the middle of the season. That's so fine, but and I also don't have Iowa state doing very well.
01:00:12
Speaker
That's for sure that for sure could be the case. They seem to be Michigan, Nebraska, Virginia Tech at 4th, Northern Iowa, 5th NC State, 6th, Stanford, 7th, SCSU 8th, Iowa State 9th and Cornell 10th. Yeah, he um there there are rumblings about Iowa State making making a weight shift in the middle of the season dropping Um, etch down Panero down and then sliding, uh, chit him in at 57. Cause the original plan was to put Swodersky back at 41 apparently. And then he blew his ACL.
01:01:01
Speaker
Yeah. Wait, hang on.
01:01:11
Speaker
Did I read Josh Coderhant for the CKLV at 141? He's there. Oh, that that changes everything. That changes everything, man. I mean, Reese, why are you being so cynical?
01:01:27
Speaker
That was an interesting thing to bring up.
01:01:31
Speaker
I mean, so I just well, so um'm I'm ready to be a dick. I'm reading. Yeah, what the heck? I'm reading the the most interesting Vegas entries. And Willy say there's bringing up a pretty great fact about Josh Coderhan. Because he was around 12 last year and he's got one loss on the season. It was 10 three lost to Brock Hardy. And if anything that just tells you what you need to know about Brock Hardy right now, he's ready to go.
01:01:59
Speaker
Right. Yeah. So that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah. Okay. That's really it. I need Ohio state Ohio state in here at fourth. Uh, yeah, we were, we were gonna let you know about
Podcast conclusion and future content hints
01:02:17
Speaker
that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Closing thoughts. We're done already. Anything else you want to talk about then?
01:02:29
Speaker
I thought maybe you had more, but I guess it has been an hour. Okay. I have, I have a couple of things, but I think we can save it for another time. Go ahead and save it. We don't know when the next time is going to be. No, I'm going to save it. I'm going to say it because it's timeless stuff. It's timeless stuff. So what do you mean? Okay.
01:02:48
Speaker
Hey, you'll find out when you find out. ah Thank you everybody for listening to the listening and or watching. Again, we have video this time. um I hope. I hope I recorded the video. ah So yeah, if you liked it, ah keep watching. Don't stop watching. You're not allowed to. You must keep watching forever and ever. Obey the Hypnotoad. Yep. And Hypnotoad says to have a good day and enjoy yourself. Have a good one.