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168 - The Night Flier (1997)
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"Never believe what you publish and never publish what you believe.”
The Kingening is back and this time the quality is… not so good. This week, we do our level best to avoid talking about Stephen King’s other vampire story about tabloid journalism gone too far! Listen as we discuss our shared love of Miguel Ferrer (including a discussion of some of our favorite performances), Christian parody band ApologetiX, The Who circa 2002, the cast of “Twin Peaks: The Return,” good and bad versions of the Maine dialect, and SO MUCH MORE!
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Transcript
Why are odd movies on late-night flights?
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you
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Why do all the weird ones have to fly at night?
Introduction to the podcast
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Don't ask us, we're just the disenfranchised podcast. That podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves, full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
Meet the hosts
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I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me as always, the man who knows what you have to do to get that picture from that morgue attendant, it's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
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Hello, Steven. How are you this evening? Doing all right, my friend. Doing the fabulous right. How about yourself that you know, I'm okay. Right on. I'm good. There's a lot of there's a lot of snow here, man. It's the same big same. It's it's been snowing pretty constantly since since about like Saturday. So yeah. Well, yeah, we only got about five inches, but
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I think we got about two or three. Yeah. And even I think further further away from the lake, I think they got more. But but here in the city, we got we got a little, a little less. So, yeah, yeah.
Snowy weather tales
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I have to take the snow thrower out tomorrow. I hate that fucking thing. I can't blame it. It's made for a man twice my size because it's like an industrial one. It's not like one you buy for your house because it belongs to the campground, obviously.
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And it's made for a man at least twice my size. Someone more like a brat. Yeah, I struggle with it. And like the force that it takes to hold down the triggers on the handles, like gives me cramps on my hands and stuff. And like I'm I'm not a weak dude. I wouldn't say I'm a strong dude. I'm certainly not a weak dude, but that thing fucking it
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It's out of control, man. It's really heavy. It's hard to use. It sucks. Yeah, I believe. I mean, look, dude, I I've always been better than shoveling, though. I was going to say, I've always been the guy that you just throw a shovel in my hand and then I got shoveling.
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I got really good at it when I was a homeowner and I haven't had to do it in a few years and I don't miss it. I got to say. Oh boy. That's hard on your back. That's hard on my back at least. It is. And my back's already not doing great because I've been carrying boxes and stuff. So yeah. Yeah,
Discussing 'The Night Flyer'
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dude. Lifting with your back instead of your legs. Steven, what'd I tell you about that? I'm also carrying around more weight than I probably should.
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And speaking of Brett, he got on a late flight out of a tiny airport in the middle of nowhere. We wish him a happy, safe, and speedy return. But until then, Tucker, you and I are desperately avoiding talking about the movie that we're talking about tonight. But this movie... This is week two of the Kingening, the drawing of three, wherein we talk about three Stephen King adaptations. Last week we talked about the great film Christine with our friend Rachel Reeves.
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This week a significantly less good film, I would say. Tucker, what are we covering this week? We are covering 1997's HBO presents The Night Flyer. Stephen King's The Night Flyer. Mark Pavia's Stephen King's The Night Flyer.
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Directed by Who? Mark Pavia. Mark Who? Pavia, yeah. And written by Pavia and Jack Who? O'Donnell. Starring Miguel Ferrer in a veritable Who's That? of an ensemble cast, including Julie Entwistle, Dan Monaghan, Michael H. Moss, Don Benes, Beverly Skinner, Rob Wilds, Richard Kaleson, and a bunch of other people most of you have probably never heard of. What a cast, Tucker!
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What a picture. Hey man, I love Miguel Ferrer. He's fantastic. I love him and everything. And even though I hated this character, I can respect that he was doing a fantastic job in this movie.
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There is the scene in which he is impersonating the FBI agent. I got a little bit excited because it seemed like he was channeling Albert Rosenfeld from Twin Peaks for a little bit. And I just
Humor and cultural references
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got really excited because I'm like, oh, it's Albert. And then and then he was back to playing Richard D's Richard Nuts D's.
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Basically, as I mean, it is pretty much impossible to not because everyone's calling his character D's the whole movie. So we call it by his last name, the whole fucking movie. I mean, it's 1997. Who's going to know that that's going to become a thing in like 20 to 30 years thing, man, like I since 1997, the first D's nuts joke that I ever heard in mainstream media.
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Not just amongst friends years before this, but 1992's The Chronic by Dr. Dre Snoop Dogg does a really bad Disney. He doesn't even do it right. It's like, I love you Snoop. But like, what the fuck is your D's nuts joke? Because so. Well, I mean, if he's if he's the first one to use it, how can he be doing it wrong? Well, he's not the first one to use it. It's the first time that I heard it in mainstream media, like I said.
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I it's something that you said as a as a kid, it was a funny thing. It was a joke. It was like, that's what she said with the kids today. Or I was going to say, I don't think I don't even think the kids are doing that anymore. But yeah, understood. But at one point they were. They were. But but these nuts was the thing before 1992. I'm just saying that's the first time I heard it like out in in the real world outside of just the friend groups and stuff. And a D's nuts joke.
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You have to end it with D's. Like you'd say, homey. Are you going out to ride on some D's? D's nuts. But so when Snoop Dogg does it, though, in the chronic, it's terrible because he calls up this girl, right? He calls up this girl and he's like, hey, hey, what you doing? Like they have a little bit of small talk and he's like, hey, hey,
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Hey, what's his name, get a hold of you? And she's like, who? And he says, these nuts. It's like Snoop, like, that's a good effort, but I don't think you understood the assignment, unfortunately. In fairness, in fairness, he had probably been putting the theme of the song into mass effect up to that point. And so I think I think we can forgive Snoop this indiscretion.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgive him for sure. But still, it's just a really weird example, because that's I mean, it might have been in other records or maybe even a movie or two before that. It's just not anything that I have experienced. Sure. And I mean, I I think we could also speaking of forgiveness, probably forgive Stephen King for when he wrote this story in 1988 or at least published it in 1988. Not not having any familiarity with a D's nuts joke or reference. So.
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Um, that's, that's what we're going to talk about. If I ever meet Stephen King, I'll be like, Hey man, go. What the fuck are you talking about? Like, Hey man. You remember night flyer? He'll be like, yeah. And I'll be like, uh, what was that? What was that character's name? Uh, the main guy would that, would they always call him? He'd be like, uh, Ds. Ds nuts. And that would, I just walk away after that.
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Walk away in the other drink. Here's the thing. I'm sure you would not be the first person to do that No, probably not maybe I'm sure he's aware of the reference at this point at this point I would hope so. I mean he is he is a cultural icon But again, I think even if he's not I think we could probably forgive him, but he is Fairly online from what I understand like he's using the socials. I
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But and like, I don't know, to counter that, like, if I told my parents a D's nuts joke, they would have no idea what I'm talking about. And they're younger than Stephen King, actually, not by much, but younger. But again, I think King King being online and being, you know, the cultural mainstay that he is, I think probably
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It gives him a better chance than most people his age of knowing what that is. Stephen, are you saying that Stephen King knows about D's? He might, is what I'm saying. About D's nuts? Again, yes. That is what I'm suggesting. I can't stop. We have to move on or else this will never end. Here's the thing. Here will be two hours of D's nuts jokes.
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Here's the thing, as I was watching this movie this afternoon, in preparation for this recording, I could just picture you sitting in your living sitting on that couch right behind you there, screaming, D's nuts at your TV every time someone called him D's. Every time. And it happens a lot. I overlapped sometimes. I was overlapping D's nuts. This is right around, if you will. I might.
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Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, look, is it going to happen at some point multiple times throughout the course of this recording? Yes. In fact, if you want to make a fun game of it every time Tucker says D's nuts, take a shot.
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I don't know about I don't want to get me by put the hospital though. I mean, if if you if you please drink responsibly, disenfranchised podcast, not responsible, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, if you want to if you want to make a game of it, you know, speaking of Richard D's that's Dick D's Dick D's nuts. Dickie D's. Speaking of Richard D's, wasn't that like a popular DJ back in the day?
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Uh, Rick D's. Yeah. Rick D's in the morning. Yeah. Or straight up some kind of top 40. He had one of those, he had one of those big, crazy voices. Rick D's. Um, yeah, I think so. I don't know if he was in art. Was he in our market? I remember listening. I know the name. I'm very familiar with the name.
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Like, I'm sure if I heard the voice, I would recognize it. I know the name mostly from people imitating the voice. That's what I know. Very familiar with Rick D's. D's nuts. I was waiting for it. I was like, give it a second. It's going to happen. If you let if you give him a long enough leash, he will hang himself. It's going to happen. It's like it's there's a pause. You can't just.
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There's an art to a D's nuts joke. Like it's like, that's why the Snoop Dogg one is so disappointing because he's just like, Oh, I can do a throwaway D's nuts jokes. No, man. This is just, you just can't just this is important. This, this means something. Okay. Okay. Ricky. Ricky D. Ricky Dreyfus. So what about Rick D's? No, Rick D's. He's a, you know, American radio personality, top 40 entertainer. Yeah.
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Yeah, dude, so he had, yeah, it was the radio show. That was outside of the D's nuts jokes. Every time they mentioned his first name, I was like, oh yeah, that DJ though. Yeah. Yeah, who is not in this movie? He's not, unfortunately. Honestly, better movie. Put him in there. Yeah. Yeah. Something to look forward to. Yeah. There's not much to look forward to in this movie.
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No, I mean, look, I was looking forward to Miguel Ferrer and then about halfway through this movie, I was like, this has got to be almost over, right? Nope. No, dude.
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I was half hour into it and like, I couldn't believe I hadn't been sitting there for like three or four days. Right. Yeah. It, I told you, as I told you in the, uh, in the, the, the text thread that we have going, uh, it's like this, the pacing seemed like this movie was edited by the love child of a sloth and a snail. Like it just crawled. There's a good story there. That's a fun, that's a fun little pitch. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a fun concept.
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It's just not something that should be stretched to feature length. No, dude, this is a fucking Tales from the Crypt episode. That's what this is. A hundred percent. You shave a half an hour off of this. Forty minutes, maybe.
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You've got a tight little tales from the crypt. This thing should be 75 minutes max. Yeah, this should
Quality of film adaptations
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be back like for sure. This is 98 minutes, which again, compared to most movies that come out right now is is leisure like that. That is brisk, baby, but it still feels like a movie that was released today. It drags so hard and the.
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It and I don't know if it was just the transfer that I saw probably was, but it it looks it looks like a made for TV movie. How could you tell what it looked like in 360 P, Stephen? How could how could were you? If you were watching on your phone, maybe like. Yeah. Oh, well, then that's that's I mean, it's maybe acceptable because because my partner was working and I had to watch it on my phone in the other room.
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Well, it's it's shot like a TV film, but I watched once I saw how horrible the quality was on the first option on YouTube. I checked the other one out just in case and it was running at 480p and I can I can tolerate standard death. Like I'd prefer to put it on my CRT, but I'm trying to fuck with that at the moment. Sure.
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Um, so there was a lot of, uh, digital artifacts and some, some tear ups in the back, but when it mattered, it, it looked good enough for me not to be distracted. Sure. Um, but no, you're, but again, to piggyback like a TV movie, you shot like a TV movie. Like this is, so the director of this film, I just want to, I'm going to just, I'm going to go right for it. Mark Pavia is the director.
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He is this is his first feature film. Before this, he had directed a short film entitled Drag that came out in 1993. His only other credit is an unrated film. I don't know if it was direct to DVD or if it was a TV movie or what a horror thriller called Fenderbender from 2016. Oh, yeah.
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He's got a lot of producer credits though. He does. He is a producer, but most of the stuff that he is a producer on is not stuff that I would consider stuff I'd want to see. And his producer credits start in 2016. Like they start there. So I don't know what he was doing between 97 and 2016, but not much. Just farting around, dude. Figuring his shit out.
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That's sometimes you got to take it, take some time off, figure your shit out. And he is married to the female lead of this movie. Yeah, the gal, the, the, the Entwistle, Entwistle, Entwistle. Julie Entwistle. Yeah. Hey. No relation to Peg Entwistle. Not and not related to that. The dude, the basis for the who? Probably not. No. OK. She's in one other movie. Oh, wait, wait. Literally one other movie.
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Can I tell you, um, that I saw the who once at deer Creek? Oh, yeah. And it was, that's right. We're, we're actual Hoosiers. We don't call it whatever the hell they're calling Ruoff mortgage, whatever. I would, I would, I would respect its name and call it what it is, but it changes its name so much. I don't know what it is now. Like if I knew what it was, I would call it by a proper name, but I'd say also known as deer Creek, but right.
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Anyway, I saw them there. I saw The Who at Deer Creek. And this was maybe two weeks after John Estenwist, Esten, the guy, the bassist guy, he had died. Oh, OK. And they had a just some bass player that they had or whatever. And they were doing My Generation. And, you know, it's got the little the breakdown bass solos.
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And that the blue dude, that kind of stuff. And during the last little break solo part, it's a really difficult part. And the dude, I don't know if he messed it up on purpose, just like out of respect. OK. But like he totally messed it up. But he recovered from it and like everyone cheered. So it was a good moment anyway. OK.
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Look, I know that wasn't very relevant to what we were talking about, but I rarely get to tell that story, but it's a memory that's like something that I think about often for some
Live music and parody bands
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reason. It looks like that bass player is Pino Palladino. Giuseppe Henry Pino Palladino is a Welsh musician, songwriter and record producer with the guy I saw him them with.
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Yep, that is him. He was on the ball, dude. I that's what I wasn't even trying to figure that out. And here you are answer right here. Well, you were telling that story. I was looking for I was looking for information about touring members of the who. And sure enough, Wikipedia had me covered. So, yeah, he actually toured with the band through twenty seventeen. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool. So, but yeah, he Robert plants. Yeah, plant opened for them.
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on that show. And it was pretty all right. He did like I didn't think he was going to do it because I don't know if anybody was into it, but me, but he did. I'm in a mood for a melody. OK. I mean, it's a really it's kind of a silly kind of cheesy song, but I also love it. And it's cheesy in the way that
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I got my mindset on you is kind of cheesy, George Harrison's. I love George Harrison's. I got my mindset on you though. I do too. And did you know that's a remake? That's like an old fucking jazz standard. Really? Did you know that? Look that up too. When this podcast is over, look up the original versions of I got my mindset on you. I also like the weird out cover of that song. Yeah, this song is just six words long. Which is seven words, but yeah.
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The irony not lost on me, but yeah. This song is just six words long. This song is just six words. And that is a testament. I've listened. I've been a fan of both songs for many, many years. I'd say almost, you know, three quarters of my life. Sure. And I will say that that is a testament to how good Weird Al's band is, because if you took the vocals out of both of those versions and played them together, it would just be one thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking fantastic. There was a there was a Christian version because, again, you know, growing up as a conservative, there was a a Christian parody group that did Christian parodies, obnoxiously Christian. How did I not know about this? I was like way into audio adrenaline and like DC talk.
00:20:24
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Oh, yeah. And and jars of clay and shit back in the day. How did I not know about this? That's right up my alley. I have no idea how you didn't know about this, dude. I actually got really excited once because I heard them singing. I heard someone playing. It was I was in like a church or at a youth event like and I heard someone playing Sweet Home, Alabama. And I got really excited going, oh, my gosh, they're playing. And I know how you feel about that song. But I was just like,
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Like, oh, yeah, this is great. Why, you know, they're they're playing this here. No, it was the cover, the parody version, Sweet Home Over Jordan. Hey, whoa. Hey, I like that. I like that. That's cool. It's what is this group called? I have to listen to everything they've ever released. What I am. The apologetics, but it's apologetics with an X. OK, a P O L.
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A-P-O-L-O-G-E-T-I-X. T-I-X. They also have a parody of the devil went down to Jordan, the devil went down to Jordan. Monkeys for uncles for money for nothing. Yes. Yes. Monkeys for uncles. The devil went down to Jordan.
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Baja were lambs for Barbara and for each. Yeah, it's it's so into all of this. These guys tore. I want to go to their show. They probably do. I don't know if they're still together, but I remember like one of the. One of the things that they did, they got mad props from Weird Al at one point.
00:22:06
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because they actually they actually did the work that Weird Al's band would do and tried to sound like the groups they were covering. Like they actually. Yeah. And so they got props for Weird Al for that. And and actually, John Bermuda Schwartz is on one of their albums. Yes. So I love that. I'm listening to every song they've ever released and I'm doing it after I watch the season finale of Fargo and after I watch Undercover Brother. That's the next thing on my list.
00:22:36
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Lazy Brain, which is a cover of Crazy Train. Yes, but. Yes, but the best one. Is Shepherd's Paradise. I don't know. I'm a big fan. I haven't even heard a squirrel, but I need it. This is the story of a squirrel. The gods have been around the whole world. That's some shit I would like, like, amuse myself with while listening to that song. Like, I love this. I'm way into this.
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I can't wait to listen to this and report back to you and have this conversation on what are we watching? Because I was going to say fucking into this. If you want to hear the conclusion of this conversation, it is going to happen on a what are we watching? Patreon, which can only be found behind our paywall. Five dollars a month. Patreon dot com slash just in French Pod. And you can find Grandmama for a smooth criminal. Mm hmm. Yep.
00:23:33
Speaker
Corinthians instead of in the end. That's the Bible instead of La Baba. I can't stop. I can't stop this. Yeah. It's it's ridiculous is what it is. It's so excited. Itter Sampson instead of Andrew Sandman. Yeah. The real sin, the real sin savior instead of the real slim shady.
00:23:56
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Steven, you have to have made my life look there. My life existed before I knew about this and it's going to exist after. But this is a chapter break, Steven. This is happening live live on my dream. So all of our listeners know. Look, I haven't listened to any of this, but you've changed my life. I will see. Like, again, I look forward in checking in with you next week.
00:24:22
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And see if your life is still changed after listening to this shit. So another one died for us. Yep. Mm hmm. Yep. Correct. He did. So more than one. Nope. Who's the other guy? Because it's another one. It's it's us. Another one died for us. So we don't have to. And also, OK, so other people have died, but since this
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Speaker
But this guy also died. So that's the other. He died for our salvation so that we would not have for a different reason, not because like, you know. Time or whatever.
00:24:59
Speaker
I mean, do you want to get into the theological ramifications of the crucifixion? Because we can kind of. But this is this is not this is not an episode of Upsal Christianity quarter. So on the Patreon, check that out at Patreon dot com slash disenfranchised disenfranchised bod. If you'd like to get on that hearing me get into the nitty gritty of the Christian faith. Boy, howdy. Have we got a show for you and it's been Stephen. Hell smells.
00:25:27
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Yeah, I know, I'm aware. Mostly like Brimstone, but you know... I love all of this. I'm so happy. I know you do.
00:25:37
Speaker
Steven, you've made me so happy. You know, when this episode's over and you lay yourself down in your bed, just know that you have made your friend so happy. So to steer you away from happiness and back to The Night Flyer, which is what we're actually talking about. We were talking about Julie Entwistle, who has been in one other movie other than The Night Flyer. She plays a student in the Academy Award nominated film In and Out, starring Kevin Kline.
00:26:04
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of the director though, right? She is, and that's why she's never done another thing. I mean, she's not bad. She's not. She could do TV. She could be in films, I feel like. And I don't know what she's been doing. I don't know if it was like a Phoebe Cates, I'm retiring situation or what, but like she just she was in this movie and just pieced out. She was done. Hasn't done anything. Maybe it just wasn't for her. I don't know. Ultimately, I don't know.
00:26:31
Speaker
Sometimes you do a thing and it's lots of fun, but you're like, I'm good. That's, that's all I need. That was a chapter of my life and that chapter is over and I'm moving on. That's a, that's a job I had and now I'm going to see what else there is. Exactly. And maybe that was her. I don't know. I can't speak to it. I'm not Julianne Twistle, nor do I know her. So I cannot. Is she on Cameo?
Cameo and drinking games
00:26:50
Speaker
I have my doubts. I wonder if we could ask her, could we be like, hey, man, what's what's straight up? What are you up to? Me going to not me going to cameo right now. You are. I am. Of course I am. That's that's what I appreciate about you, Steven. No, she is not there. But a Panamanian soccer legend, Julio Daley is.
00:27:19
Speaker
Yeah, but what about is Ernie Hudson on there? Of course, Ernie Hudson is absolutely on. Yeah. But what if he's not still on there? What if he like got sick of it? Like we checked it months ago. I mean, Ernie, Ernie Hudson, actor, Ghostbusters is absolutely on cameo. And there is a picture of him in his Winston Zeta Moore ones onesie. And can I tell you, Stephen, that you can tell me anything. I have a phrase. It's kind of an original phrase that I throw around whenever
00:27:49
Speaker
Um, I still have my hat on in the house because like a lot of times I'll put my hat on to go out and do stuff like I was in the military. So like I got used to that, like, put your hat on when you leave a building and taking it off when you come in. So I don't, it's just like muscle memory. I've seen you wear hats numerous times on numerous occasions. So, so when I still have my hat on and I don't mean to, I will say I am Ernie Hudson in the Crow right now.
00:28:18
Speaker
to myself, not to anyone else, no one else cares. But to myself, I'll say that. And yeah. You know who would appreciate that? Brett. Our friend Brett Wright, who loves whose favorite movie is Ghostbusters. And one of his other favorite movies is The Crow. I also think his favorite answer is his favorite actor is Ernie Hudson, but somehow it's not.
00:28:38
Speaker
Even though I still would at some point like to get him an Ernie Hudson cameo. I just cannot afford it at this time. No, we're going to do it. When was his birthday? What's his birthday? It's in June, mid June. Oh, hey, man. I'm I'm rich in the summer, dude. I could I could I could swing that probably just remind me, man, because we're going to do it. I know we've talked about it before. We have most about the paywall. So now that we're talking about it on main feed, like he's going to hear about it, I'm sure.
00:29:07
Speaker
Nah, he won't, he don't listen to this shit, are you kidding? But we thank you for doing so. Brad, if you listen to this shit, blink twice.
00:29:18
Speaker
I don't know how that's gonna resolve, but we'll figure it out. Me neither. I'm sure he'll blink twice at some point in his life. I'll be like, there it is. Instinctively, instinctively, wherever he is right now, Brett blinked twice. Just instinctively. Probably. Just as though he knew you were saying it. Anyway, The Night Flyer. Big, big oof on this movie, man. Big, damn. I fucking hate this movie. Oof. You heard it here first. Tucker hates The Night Flyer.
00:29:47
Speaker
I really do. Like there's a few like moments that are mildly interesting, but outside of that, man, fuck off with this movie for sure. Tucker, do you think we should probably just get the plot? We're a half hour into this and we've barely touched on the movie itself. Do you think we should just go ahead and get the plot in 60 over with? Let's do, let's do that. Um, editing point right now. Future to be, but first I have to pee. Okay.
00:30:16
Speaker
All right. We'll be right back. You should be, too. Do you have to be wildly? Let me go ahead and pee. Just I pee before I came. But let me go ahead and probably grab grab another drink. Yeah, that sounds grab your drink. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. Five minutes later. Oh, shit. I got to get my ashtray of coins. No, no, you don't. You don't. Oh, you don't.
00:30:47
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go. You don't. That's so exciting. You're gonna have to fame that same level of excitement when we get on the recording. So I was gonna save that for the record. We're already on the recording. Okay, no, but we'll be just as excited. You were we had just agreed to do the plot in 60 seconds.
00:31:06
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For those of you just joining us for the first time, first of all, why this episode? But second of all, the plot in 60 is the part of the show where we will recount the plot of the film we're watching in 60 seconds or less, usually at the behest of the Canadian Quarter of Indifference, or if Brett is here, the D6 of Destiny. But not today. Because today, friends, I moved. And in the process of moving, I found an old friend.
00:31:33
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who is making a triumphant return to the podcast. That's right. The coin of justice has returned.
00:31:42
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Yes, dude. After taking a lengthy and well-deserved vacation in 2023. Months. A year? A year. I moved up here in- There it is. December. There it is, right there. What a beauty. Look at that. Lady Justice herself. There she is. There it is. Where is this from? Where is it from again?
00:32:05
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The coin of justice? Yeah, I don't know. Where'd you get it? No, it says on the back like Gibraltar. Yeah, dude. This is Gibraltar. Damn near rectum.
00:32:18
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Good try. That's, that's it. I did it that time, right? Gibraltar, I hardly know her. There it is. One, one Troy ounce 999 fine silver is what it says on this coin. It is one pound sterling, literally a pound sterling from 2021.
00:32:36
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I should post a picture of this on the socials once this episode drops. Yes, please do. Front and back, just so people know what this beauty looks like. It's a beaut, and put like a banana for scale on one picture too, so they know how big it is. Like I have a banana. How do you not have a banana? How do you not get charley horses all the time, Steven, if you don't eat bananas? Fun story, I do.
00:32:58
Speaker
You do get Charlie horses all the time. All the time. You need more potassium duty than nannies, dude. You need more potassium, bitch. Get them straight old manners, dude. Anyway, now that the coin of justice has returned, we can do this like we did. And there's just the two of us, Tucker. We can do this like we did in the old days. Yeah, dude. In the old and in the before times and the long, long ago. Before there was even a Tucker. Before there was even a Tucker, this is how I was even bored.
00:33:26
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Sure. Tucker got very serious there for a second. So I'm going to go ahead and flip the code of justice. You call her in the air. OK, it's Tails.
00:33:40
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It is heads. Hey, okay. I can use what it is. Your responsibility, sir, to recount the plot in 60 seconds. It's a half hour story stretched out to an hour and a half, so I got this. Pretty much is, yeah. I am gonna put 60 seconds on the clock right now and I will start whenever you are ready to begin.
00:34:04
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So there's this guy and it's Miguel Ferrer and he works for like a grocery store tabloid, like the bat boy tabloids, right? You know what I'm saying? Like all the really crazy ones that are completely unbelievable. And there's a new lady and she calls her Jimmy, which is funny because it made me think of Jimmy.
00:34:24
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But then they hear about this dude and he's a straight up vampire and he's flying around in an airplane. And so the gal Jimmy is going to do it. But then the go for error because he's a stupid piece of shit. Asshole is like, no, fuck you. I'm doing it. And there's this weird where she tears it up out of anger. But then like she it's really weird and everybody's happy and she started in the air. And I don't understand that scene, but whatever.
00:34:46
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Anyway, Miguel Ferrer, aka Deez, gets too close. And eventually the vampire is like, fuck you, I'll make you a straight up vampire and pretend like you killed all these people that I straight up killed. And then there's actually some cool shit for about 45 seconds. And then Jimmy is like, haha, fuck you, Miguel Ferrer. I'm going to you're the story now, bitch. That is time. That was good. I that was the whole plot, right?
00:35:11
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Basically, yeah, I intentionally left out the guy with the accent because fuck that guy. Oh, you mean just close your mouth. Close your mouth. Close your fucking mouth. Jesus. Now, Tucker, you live in New England currently. So I get a nice I get a nice mix of like a Vermont accent and a Maine accent and a Massachusetts accent. So I've heard it all.
00:35:41
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ad nauseam. I know them all pretty well. So I guess I having not I mean, having only visited New England a couple of times and really only going so far as Massachusetts when I do, I don't know that I've ever heard a main accent. Are they really that pronounced? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't want to go down that road.
00:36:05
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No, you don't want to go down that road. No, like that's what bothered me about his like I get he was kind of he was kind of doing an impression of an impression. He was obviously doing a homeboy from Pet Sematary for Munster. Yes. The great late great Fred Gwynn. But what Fred Gwynn did right is that he did make it a little over the top.
00:36:35
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Right. But not so over the top that you couldn't take him seriously. But this guy is trying to do a Broadway main accent. And motherfucker, you're in a TV movie. Calm that shit down. Right. And close your mouth. The actor's name is John Benes. And I was your mouth. One of two notes that I wrote. Trim your eyebrows.
00:36:58
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One of two notes that I wrote in my show notes for this episode is John Benes is giving discount Fred Gwynn from Pet Sematary because he is absolutely like, this is the bargain basement, we can't afford a Fred Gwynn impersonator budget kind of stuff.
00:37:17
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like we blew our budget on Miguel Ferrer. He's our name. He's the son of Jose Ferrer and Rosemary Clooney. That's Hollywood royalty. We we can't afford anyone else. So we'll get the director's wife. And, you know, this guy who heard, who was a really big fan of Pet Sematary, and we'll get them to be in this movie. Got yourself an eye flyer there, I see.
00:37:42
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Oh, my God. I feel like, of course, he plays that on the recorder like three night fly, not fly, not fly, not fly. We get it. We have a title title card. Let's go. You know, you do the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing or the Peter Griffin. I said it like, yeah, it's yes. We know. And then, of course, after that, they say everyone says it like 20 times after that. You know, we're calling him the night flyer now.
00:38:09
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And then we get the slow where she's typing out like one finger at a time night flyer on her old 80s like word processor like oh my god, come on. This is all very interesting. Interesting, Steven. Let me ask you, why are we covering this movie? When when did they when were they like, Oh, shit, we got to make a sequel to this.
00:38:32
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So Stephen King himself actually wrote with the director, Mark Pavia, wrote a follow up script called the fear of flying.
00:38:44
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And it was going to focus on the character of Catherine Blair, who is the Jimmy. He calls her Jimmy in reference to Jimmy Olsen, the Cub reporter at the Daily Planet in the old Superman comics. And in that last article, you see that she's adopted that as a nickname, too. Right. Yeah. Which I that was another like two seconds that I enjoyed of this movie. Sure. You know, there are many of them, but I try to treasure them and hold on to them because they're so fucking
00:39:12
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They're rare. They're few and far between, so you treasure the ones you find. I mean, they become valuable by proxy because everything else is worthless.
Film sequels and TV vibes
00:39:23
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But it would focus on her character. And because we see her turn to the dark side at the end of this film and it would focus on her continual descent as she, you know, goes to get the dose to does what she can to track down the story and would probably focus on some other form of supernatural beast. I don't have a lot of details about the scripts, but I mean, at the end, she basically
00:39:51
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tells the cops that Richard D's nuts was. Take a shot, everybody. Nuts. Testicles. But basically tells the cops that Richard D's was the night flyer and was because and again, it's kind of perfect. He owns his own private plane like it all kind of.
00:40:16
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works out just a little himself up for it. He pretty much does. And the fact that in those 45 seconds, he sees all the people like because like just drive to Maine. Just drive to Maine. Just drive to Maine. Come on. It's not that far. It's a nice fucking drive. It's drive to Maine, particularly in the fall. Like the foliage is beautiful up that way. Dude, you don't tell me.
00:40:40
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I know I don't have to tell you. I'm telling our listeners who may or may not live in New England. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot this is a podcast and not just like us talking about a movie. I mean, it's essentially what it is. The fact that people want to listen to us talk about movies amazes me sometimes. Look, I'm proud. I'm proud. Look, we don't have like in the grand scheme of things, we don't have a huge amount of listeners, but that like one to 200 people that we can usually count on each week.
00:41:09
Speaker
It's like that's you know, there's over 100 people each week that want to like hear me talk about some dumbass movie. And listen, I am I am amazed, but I am overwhelmingly honored and so appreciative of each and every one of you. It's true. I cannot stress that enough that anyone like that, that I feel like if I don't record myself talking about a silly movie once a week that like
00:41:39
Speaker
somewhere someone is not going to be able to like, listen, and this is a part of someone's week that they will willingly do. Like, I'm grateful, eternally grateful. Thank you all so much for listening to this thing and for letting us do this very silly thing. It's kind of the raddest shit ever. It really is. It's pretty great. Outside of being on stage and performing music, it's probably like it's it's probably my legacy, man.
00:42:07
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I would say I would say being on stage and performing theater. Personally, that in my gamerscore. I got I'm going to put my gamerscore on my tombstone. Oh, you're one of those. OK. Just a glow. Just a glow. Look, I just surpassed 90,000 gamerscore. I've been working on that for almost 15 years. I don't know. I think I'm going to keep it simple. My full name, Stephen Edward Foxworthy, and then just like the dates of the date of my life and then a picture of me. No. And I don't know why, but that would be rad.
00:42:36
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No, no, a bust of me on top of your tombstone. You know, my favorite my favorite tombstone like ever is Jack Lemons. And it just says Jack Lemmon in. It's perfect. It's just perfect. I love it. What's the guy who does the law and order? That's Jerry Orbach. No, no, no. Who it's always like executive produced by. It's the whole meme. Oh, did Wolf.
00:43:07
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Yes, do you think is Dick Wolf dead? No, because but when he dies, though, would that be rad? I mean, yes. So if I were Dick Wolf, I would so do that. And I fucking hate memes, but that one's great. You're not afraid of names. I know Dick Wolf. Dick Wolf's still out there kicking it, man. Good, good. I don't know that motherfucker has been doing TV forever. He's he's been alive since December 20th, 1946.
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah, he's getting up there. He's hanging on. He is, man. And he's still producing shit, man. He was executive producer on FBI FBI most wanted FBI International Law and Order Special Victims Unit, Law and Order Organized Crime, Chicago PD. He does all those Chicago shows, too. Holy shit. Yet.
00:43:53
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Dick Wolfson. Fucking maniac. I love that guy. Fucking maniac. Fucking maniac. Speaking of fucking maniacs, Miguel, my fucking Ferrer in this movie. My boy. Love Miguel Ferrer. What is your favorite Miguel Ferrer performance?
00:44:12
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I don't know like it's look I really love him in Twin Peaks and especially the return just seeing him come back and because that was released because after his death in 20 say yeah that like that dropped right pretty much right after he died and so you're watching it being like I'm sad that he died but gosh I'm so glad he's here and it was
00:44:31
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It was a whole thing, but I also a few people's final performance. It was him, Catherine Colson, Mark Frost, dad, who played the doctor, the doctor. Yeah. Yeah. He did like the FaceTime. He was on the fishing trip. And literally he was on like the he zoomed in his part for for Twin Peaks. Like it was it's fucking like incredible.
00:44:53
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that they managed to get him in. And I got emotional when each of those characters showed up because I knew those actors were going to be with us. They were all just waiting. I was literally like, come on. Look, I'm straight up trying to die. Like, it's my time. But I heard that Catherine Colson filmed all of her stuff first. Yeah, because you can tell from watching her, she is like on death's door when she's filming that stuff. But she is so fucking good.
00:45:19
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Good for her, man. Right. I would love for like the lead up to my death to be like an amazing fucking piece of art. Like how rad is that? Right. And then like a year or two after I die, everyone's watching it and just going like that. Yeah, it's fucking like. Yeah, I. That's a legacy. That's a legacy. That is 100 percent a legacy.
00:45:42
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Um, God, so God, I love I love Catherine Colson. I love Twin Peaks. Yeah, Albert Albert, Albert Rosenstein or, uh, yeah, Rosenfield, sorry, in Twin Peaks is easily my favorite Miguel Ferrer performance. I think he's the perfect. He's the perfect character for him. Yeah, because he gets to be an asshole, but he's not a bad person. Exactly. He's just an asshole. Yes. No, there could be a huge difference. You are absolutely correct, though.
00:46:12
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Absolutely. Like I. And as when he goes full asshole outside of this movie, I think a really good performance of his was in Robocop as well. I liked him in Robocop a lot. Yeah. Yeah. He is. He is. He is in the Robocops. I mean, I love him and everything I've seen him in. But those two performances specifically are the ones I think of when I think of him.
00:46:36
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He was one of those great that guy actors. And so I saw him pop up in so much stuff when I was a kid. He was at a lot of TV and a lot of movies like he was everywhere for about 20 years. One of the earliest things I think I remember like they like deeply, deeply remember him. And this is going to sound so fucking stupid. He's in future episode of this podcast, The Guardian, by the way. But he is in future episode of this podcast, Twin Peaks Firewalk with me.
00:47:04
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is blank check, the movie blank check, where he plays the primary villain of that movie. But then after that, I remember him in, and I don't know if you're going to remember this, Project Alf.
00:47:19
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Do you remember Project Alf? I remember that when they were like, oh, here's your here's your big series finale a couple of years later, but we're not the family's not going to be here. And it's going to be a completely different thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's Alf and a bunch of other shit. He is also the voice of the villain in Mulan. He just does so much voice work, dude. So much prolific, I would say, in his voice acting. Do you remember the Justice League made for TV movie? Did you ever see that?
00:47:48
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Animated.
00:47:50
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No, no. Oh, no. The one with Adam West and. Oh, no. No, wait. It didn't have Batman or Superman. Yes, it was on TV in the it came out the same manner. This did. Ninety seven. It's got Guy Gardner, Green Lantern. It's got fire, ice, the atom, the flash, the Martian manhunter. Miguel Ferrer is the villain. He plays the weatherman.
00:48:20
Speaker
The Flash villain, The Weatherman. Well, I'm thinking of there was a TV live action TV special, though, that had Adam West as Batman. It did like Green Lantern and like Flash. There was, but Miguel Ferrer was not in that one. I just I just sent you the IMDB link for the one that I you can probably find it on YouTube. David Ogden Stires is is the Martian manhunter, which is kind of fucking rad.
00:48:45
Speaker
Oh, this was on. OK. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff coming out around this time. I think the TV pilot for Generation X came out around the same time. Yeah, 90. Correct. Yeah. It seemed like a lot of this kind of stuff was getting dumped on television like they were trying to make a lot of series with this kind of stuff. Exactly. Project Alf was also 96. Yeah. So this is these are all like these TV movies are basically all unused pilots.
00:49:14
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that they're just like, well, we got to we got to put it out sometime. So, yeah, they would do that. But no blank check and project off. Those are my those are my two like tentpole Miguel Ferrer films. He's also in future episode of this podcast. Mr. Magoo probably as the villain with Leslie Nielsen, with Leslie Nielsen, just one of the all time great villain actors. Yeah, he's in he's in Steven Soderbergh's traffic.
00:49:42
Speaker
Yes, sir, he sure is. Ever heard of it? Wait a minute. Even Jonathan Demme is the Manchurian candidate? With straight up Denzel Washington and shit. Denzel Washington and Lee Schreiber? Hell yeah. I love Lee Schreiber. I've ever told you how much I love Lee Schreiber. I do, but he let Naomi Watts slip through his fingers, man. That's all right. He's got more important things like acting to do. Naomi Watts, though, dude.
00:50:11
Speaker
I get that. Look, I'm on the same page with you on that. I truly, truly am. But at the same time, like art, dude, church art. But at the same time, Mr. Fucking goo, Mr. Mucking goo, we're going to watch this podcast. I cannot wait. Wait, can we do firewalk with me because of the missing pieces, though?
00:50:33
Speaker
Fire- missing pieces is not a- That's official. It's in- It's canon. It's not a film. It's fucking canon. It's deleted scenes. It is a film though. It's put together like a film. Have you seen the missing pieces? Years ago. I mean, it's got enough structure. It's not just deleted scenes. Fire Walk With Me was intended to be the start of a trilogy. He was gonna do three Twin Peaks films and Fire Walk With Me was so poorly received, he couldn't do any more.
00:51:00
Speaker
And that was the end of Twin Peaks until the return. The return. Which is one of the greatest achievements in television history. I can't believe that was so long ago. 2017. I know. It's been like. It doesn't feel. It's been almost seven years. I haven't watched it since then. Like I watched it in tandem like twice. I watched like up halfway through it and then my roommate started watching it. So I watched through it as I was still watching it as it aired. Yeah. And that was pretty fucking rad. But I haven't watched it since it aired.
00:51:28
Speaker
I don't think I have either. I need to. I need to. I have the Blu-ray and it's so that box is so rad. I've showed you how it's. Yeah. And then you open it up and Doug is in the middle. Dougie Jones, baby. Dougie Jones. We, we stand Dougie Jones. We need to, we need to rewatch that Steven. We do a hundred percent. We should do, we should do a Patreon special. The Twin Peaks Patreon special. Mm-hmm.
00:51:55
Speaker
Man, we're doing all sorts of plugs for the Patreon. We got to get through the D&D stuff first, though. Yeah, we do. And we got to get through this episode before we do any of that. No, this episode's been over for several minutes. So, Tucker, you mentioned there were a few a handful of things that you did enjoy about this movie. Let me ask you, what are they? Well, Miguel Ferrer, despite me just.
00:52:20
Speaker
hating that character, just like detesting that character. I would not have hated him as much if Miguel Ferrer weren't fucking killing it. The whole like he does in everything, especially he's very good at being an asshole. That's the thing is you hate the character, but you hate the character because Miguel Ferrer is doing such a good job at playing an asshole. Well, it's an added bonus. It's an added bonus because the character is shit.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, but then you get Miguel Ferrer in there. And as an actor, if you're playing as an actor, if you're playing a loathsome character, you kind of almost relish the audience booing you at the end of the show. Absolutely. I mean, you did your job. Exactly. And I can. And I feel like Miguel Ferrer is doing that. But first of all, no one in this movie is redeemable at all. Everyone's a piece of shit, at least that we're meant to like be siding with.
00:53:17
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Um, everyone's a piece of shit in this movie. And that, I think that's kind of the point because again, this whole thing is Stephen King kind of speaking against the proliferation, particularly in the late eighties, but even into the nineties to now.
00:53:32
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of tabloid journalism and now we've got shows like fucking TMZ, we've got paparazzos like out on the streets constantly, people constantly being like involved in other people's business, wanting to know what's going on. True crime is a sub genre of like, it may be the biggest genre in podcasting, like Netflix documentaries, true crime shit. I'm guilty as anyone else. I love that shit.
00:53:57
Speaker
But like just the idea of like wanting to insert ourselves into the grisly details of someone else's life. And that's kind of and it's almost like this, this movie walks so that fucking Nightcrawler can run. Nightcrawler is the better version of this movie.
00:54:15
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Look, I look, I see the connections, but I don't know if I would go as far as to say that it's the better version of this movie, because there's there's a lot of problems, not only with, like you mentioned before, the editing and the pacing, but the writing is shit, too. Like this movie barely keeps itself together. It does. Yeah, I really keeps itself together.
00:54:37
Speaker
And the only thing it's got going for is Miguel Ferrer is making fucking gold out of a fucking turd. Just doing the Lord's work here, really, really, really carrying this entire movie on his shoulders and its head for our sins, for our sins.
00:54:55
Speaker
And then KMB comes in and knocks it out with the effects. Outside of that, it's just it's garbage. There's nothing there's nothing appealing about this movie at all. I like I like the idea of it. I would like to see a well written and well executed version of this. That would be fucking rad.
00:55:11
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And I mean, since we just learned last week that the dollar babies are dead, it's going to, you know, it's going to cost to do it. Although Stephen King has basically said that the Night Flyer is probably the same character as the one in his short story, Propsy or Popsy, Propsy, I think. What's this now? You don't know. Propsies. I don't know. Propsy, but I don't know. Propsy. Let me hang on. I will let you hang on.
00:55:42
Speaker
I'm allowing you to hang on right now. Thank you. Popsie, it's Popsie. Hey, there it is. Stephen King Story Popsie. The only reason I know Popsie is because a friend of mine is in a version of Popsie directed by Jack Kessler. Jack Kessler is Popsie or Jack Kessler is Popsie. Excuse me. But the story Popsie is essentially like
00:56:05
Speaker
Basically, these guys are like driving around and get accosted by a monster. They're they're shady business men. Yeah, I will say that the friend of mine that was in this movie, you know, who else is in this movie? One of the greatest that guy actors of all time. Is it Rick Deese? No, specifically because he's in a lot of his brother's films. We know him because we love his brother. Frank Stallone.
00:56:33
Speaker
You guessed it, Ted Raimi. Oh, all right. Lunatics and Love Stories, Ted Raimi. Yes. Theodore Ted Raimi is in Jack Kessler's Popsie. It was a short film released in 2019. Friend of the show, Zach D'Zuba, plays
00:56:52
Speaker
plays the the gas station clerk in that movie. Good dude, I did a play with him when he was in high school. Good, good. Are you gonna be a guest? I'll reach out to him. I'll see if he wants to want to show up. He I know he just filmed a short film with friend of the podcast, Sammy DeMasse as well. So
00:57:11
Speaker
That's maybe maybe we can get him on to when that whenever whenever Sam finishes editing it. I don't know. Sam's still working on it. Is it an official Crown Hill production or is this an offshoot, a spinoff of that? I don't know, because I think it's it's Zach's baby. But I know Sam was he brought on Sam to direct and basically it was like a crew of four. Sam, Zach,
00:57:33
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the cinematographer Jim banta friend of the show Jim banta and the actress so like there were five people on set at any time because it's just a two person short but yeah see them I'm gonna text Sammy man we're gonna talk about that do it ma'am but yes a few past and future guests and we must he will be on again this year I promise we've already got him on the books so
00:57:56
Speaker
Man, that guy's got great hair. You ever notice how good Sammy's hair is? Mm hmm. I do. Great. Like, if it looks like he spends time on it and like it's time well spent, it's time well spent. And here's the thing, like his brother, our friend JP, lack.
00:58:11
Speaker
Past and future guest. He also has good hair. But like Sam, Sam's going above and beyond like Sam like. Cultivates that stuff. Yeah, he puts effort into it. And let me tell you, I think I think where the stems from. So I've known Sammy since he was in probably about kindergarten. Mm hmm. Yeah, that tracks. And I was in middle school around this time and this boy. Mm hmm.
00:58:39
Speaker
had the like, if you look up in the dictionary, 90s bowl haircut, right? That was a little Sammy. I believe it. I 100 percent believe it. And so I think maybe like Sammy, come, come on the show and we'll talk about this. But this is he's got my pure speculation. This is my Wednesday coming in soon. It'll be early March.
00:59:05
Speaker
Oh, oh, I'm way into that. We'll talk about this. But see, my pure speculation is that like that, that haircut traumatized him so much that he vowed to himself that he would have luscious, beautiful hair for the rest of his days. I mean, because your boy puts in the work. He does. And it looks fantastic. And like, I haven't smelled it, but I'll bet if I smelled it, it would smell wonderful.
00:59:34
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I almost wish he had his hair out in Circle City Supernatural, but he doesn't. He's yeah, he's kind of kind of. I'll tell you what, he's a little wrapped up. Go on YouTube.
00:59:49
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Go on YouTube and look up the short film from our friend JPLack, The Roman. You'll hear my voice because I'm in that one. He's the, it's because that's the only one that he's in before he dies, right? He's the lead. No, that's the only one where he's the lead. He shows up in a couple others, but like his hair is not really featured.
01:00:07
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I don't I don't know that I was in that one, but I helped film a good bit of. Oh, it's because Julie was in that one. That's right. Yeah. So I was I was helping out quite a bit on that one. Yeah. Yeah. I would actually I do have a cameo when she goes into the theater. Like, that's my arm that opens the door. That's me. Hi, cameo. Hi, cameo.
01:00:27
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I'm only that's it. That is literally the first thing I ever did with Joseph. That that is my like he saw a short film that Sam had done with Caleb and I called Susan lands the interview. You can find that on YouTube as well. And he's like, Is it okay if I use these guys? And Sam's like, I guess. And so he reached out to me. He's like, Hey, you want to you want in? I'm like,
01:00:50
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There's this straight up sword fight in that movie. There is. That Sam and Caleb choreograph my former co-host on the Rule of Thirds podcast choreographed themselves. Who are you in that one, Steven? I haven't seen it in so long. My character, Keith Sorrell, is the character that I play in most of these things. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're Sammy's partner. Yeah, I'm the voice on the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:11
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Yeah. And literally, I just showed up to the first time I ever met Joseph. Well, the first time I met him was at Sam's wedding. But the second time I met him, I just showed up at his house and I'm like, hi. Yeah. Yeah. Because because my ex and his wife are very good. We're very good friends. And so like and then I think I got them in the divorce. But yeah. Yes. Nice. Nice. But yeah, I would have fought for him. I would have liked that would have been some legal shit. I'll be like the Lex are mine.
01:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, no, I mean, like, no, Sammy, Sammy and I, again, like we, we started our first podcast rule of thirds because our wives got so annoyed with us talking about movies every time we got together that we had to find another outlet to talk about movies. So Sam literally just messages Caleb and I one day is like, we're going to start a podcast.
01:02:02
Speaker
And that was what we did. That's how that's how it had been. That's why I'm doing this. I wouldn't be doing this if I hadn't done that one first. And here we are. We hate this movie so much. We spent 15 minutes on origin stories of people that are just podcast adjacent, honestly. And so here's here's something I think is fairly interesting. This movie ends very differently than the short story from what I understand. Does it? I have no I've never read the I haven't read the thing.
01:02:26
Speaker
I haven't either, but I read about it. So from what I understand, the short story basically ends with D's watch. And first of all, the character of Catherine Blair. Go ahead and do it. There it is. Take a shot, everybody. Sorry, Steve. I'm actually I actually have alcohol. You've been holding out on me. You've been holding out on me. If you were saying it more often, it wouldn't hit me so hard. Saying what, D's? I'm fresh off another one. I'm good. Keep going, Steven.
01:02:58
Speaker
So the short story ends. These nuts. There it is. I knew you were waiting for it. I knew it. I fucking knew it. It's all about timing, Steven. It's all about timing. It's different every time. It's different every time. You got to judge what's come before and how much time you need to let that sit and marinate. Hey, Tucker, do me a favor. Yes. Ask me why I'm so funny. Why are you so funny? Timing.
01:03:24
Speaker
No, sorry, I fucked that up. Ask me again why I'm so funny. Ask me again. No, that's like the interrupting cow. No, no, seriously, do it again. Do it again. Ask me again. What am I supposed to do? Ask me why I'm so funny. Why are you so funny? Timing.
01:03:53
Speaker
Oh man, but you broke the rules. You broke the podcast rules there, Steven. As brilliant as that was. No. Two seconds, man. I gotta trim it if it's more than two seconds of dead air. No, you don't. That's the joke, dude. No, dude. No, dude. If we don't run those stations, people are gonna tune out. They're not gonna be watching. No, that's not true. People love us. Two seconds. Okay, look. Consider this. This is your verbal warning, Steven.
01:04:23
Speaker
Okay. This is your first, your first verbal warning. You get three verbal warnings and you get a written warning. You get three written warnings. We have a conversation with HR and then we get a citation. You get four citations and yeah.
01:04:36
Speaker
So this is your first verbal warning, Steve. Anyway. No more pauses after to over two seconds. The short story ends with D's watching them fly away, watching the night fire fly away, opening his camera and pulling the film out of the camera himself, knowing that he will never be able to, because you don't believe what you publish, don't publish what you believe. That's his whole motto.
01:05:01
Speaker
I was really surprised that that like he hadn't tricked him by like all the pictures he had taken before were like on the straight up on some other film and he'd switched it out. Whoo. Like I was kind of surprised. Let me do kind of like rookie mistake. Rookie mistake, though. Yeah.
01:05:17
Speaker
Like, yeah, I feel like he knew he was walking in the lion's den there at a certain point. He did. Like, why not prepare for that? Like, he is otherwise kind of a clever character despite his assholishness. No, he absolutely is. Like he he he's not an idiot. He fucking double crosses everybody, including his own team. He like quadruple crosses himself. It's like there's so many. But that's it. Right. That's it. But he ends up double crossing himself. So.
01:05:45
Speaker
You were a double, you were a triple agent? No, I just lied about being a double. Yeah, that's cool. But he in the film, though, the it's the night flyer himself that pulls the camera out of the film or the film out of the camera. I've been playing the drinking game, too, those of you. So every time I say D's and Tucker says,
01:06:19
Speaker
I've also been taking a drink. Oh, man. And I'm drinking Bob Dylan's whiskey. That's right. Testicles are hilarious. They are. They just. But it's.
01:06:38
Speaker
So he ends up watching the Night Flyer fly away, pulls the film out of his own camera in the film. The Night Flyer is the one that pulls the film out of the camera. And then because of some vampire trickery when he shows him his true face, which these demands. You're going to let me have that one. OK. Such restraint you're showing right now.
01:07:09
Speaker
it's taking so much i know it is i know i can see it on your face there's like agony on your face right just do it just fucking do it dude no dude no i'm strong i'm strong since when i'm a strong independent woman and stephen i don't need no man well that i know um
01:07:30
Speaker
So but he ends up seeing a vision of all of the people that he has exploited in his time at the tabloid, all of the people that he has. Is that who all those people were? I recognize the lady in the in the bathtub because they talked about her earlier, but I didn't really make that connection with anybody else.
01:07:51
Speaker
There was the lady with the dead baby and she says, do you know what I had to do to get him? Which is the same thing. Oh, yeah. Because they mentioned the thing before about the thing. OK, yeah, yeah. Now that you mentioned it. Where's the picture of my dead baby? Yeah. Where's my picture? Where's my dead baby? You know what I had to do to get that picture? You know what I had to do with that movie? No murders, no murders under two, man. Come on. Calm down. But he says in the movie, the guy. Right. Yeah.
01:08:18
Speaker
But but yeah, those are all the people that he's exploited for his, you know, to get his scoop. Oh, I get that. Now that kind of makes that a little bit cooler. It's like it's still just like 45 seconds of radness, but it's just a little bit rattered. The film all goes to black and white and he just starts hacking those people to bits with axes.
01:08:37
Speaker
Which I really appreciated. I don't know why they did it. Based on the rest of the movie, it couldn't have been an artistic choice. I mean, it was absolutely an artistic choice. This director has no artistic bone in his body. Maybe it was the cinematographer. Maybe. I don't know, dude. The cinematographer on this one. Maybe even. That might be an editor choice, too.
01:08:59
Speaker
Elizabeth Schwartz is the editor. The cinematographer is David Connell. What else has he done? Let me check here. I bet you're going to tell us. I am looking for it, man. The never ending story to the next chapter. Oh, fantastic. Dolly Parton's Heartstrings. Oh, wow. The rush hour, an episode of the rush hour TV show.
01:09:21
Speaker
Fantastic. A TV movie called The Quickening, Librarian 3, The Curse of the Judas Chalice. Oh, wow. That's wow. Left Behind 3, World at War. Oh, wow. Wow. You're wondering why this thing looked like a TV movie.
01:09:40
Speaker
It did, though. It really was like you can't get more like typical 90s TV movie. And that being said, I thought the soundtrack, the score was like I was like, did they just take the it score? It's like every Stephen King TV movie adaptation from the late 80s and 90s. It's that same fucking score. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I was like, I'm convinced that some of that is from it.
01:10:10
Speaker
Like someone will have to prove me wrong on that because like there were times where I was like, this has got to be at least the same guy.
Cinematography and acting highlights
01:10:17
Speaker
And maybe he wrote it on the same day. I don't know. He did a lot of made for TV movies. He also in 20 in 1997, he was also the cinematographer on a little movie called Zeus and Roxanne about the friendship between a dog and a dolphin.
01:10:35
Speaker
Great. And he was also the cinematography cinematographer on the Pierce Brosnan Robinson Caruso film. Oh, cool. Did you know that existed? Because it absolutely did. I worked at the video store when it came out. That's why I know the cover made it look like a B movie. It was a really bad DVD. You know what else made it look like a B movie? The cinematography cinematography. Hey, did you ever see the Matador, though?
01:11:05
Speaker
No, Greg Kinnear and and Pierce Brosnan. I didn't know Pierce Brosnan plays a hit man and like he becomes friends with Greg Kinnear when Greg Kinnear is on some business trip and then like shit goes down and Pierce Brosnan has to like crash at his house and he has like a wife and a kid and shit. And it's a pretty rad little like semi indie movie from the early 2000s. And you should check it out. Have you ever seen The November Man? Have I?
01:11:35
Speaker
I don't know. That's what I'm asking. The past episode of this podcast, the November man. Oh, then no, because I remember not knowing about that one. Yeah. Do you know why they call him the November man? Because he was born in November. Because there was nothing left, Tucker.
01:11:55
Speaker
And if you want to see if you want to hear Brett and I go on an extended riff about how that makes no fucking sense, go back and listen to episode 12 on the November. So I'm not supposed to get it. Got it. OK. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Because we didn't fucking understand either. It's it's a serviceable action film, but like it's definitely like Pierce Brosnan postbond trying to recapture some of that magic again and failing miserably. Yo, but check out the Matador, though.
01:12:25
Speaker
All right. It's straight up. All right. Really good. It's okay. It's look, it's kind of, there's some dark shit in it, but at its core, it's kind of wholesome. It's kind of, it's really weird. That's why, that's why I recommend it. Not because I think that you will absolutely love it, but because I think that you will find it interesting because there's not really anything else like it.
01:12:49
Speaker
That's kind of why I recommend the November man as well. Like it's it's a weird little it's a weird check that out. You should. You absolutely should. I should. I do love Pierce Brosnan when he's when he's hitting man, when he's hitting. And I mean, you look like him and Timothy Dalton, like he's doing Pierce Brosnan things. I mean, Dalton is my favorite bond. I've said that on this podcast many times before. I will say it many more times. I only like him because of the rocketeer. Like he's done other great things, but like the rocketeer is why I love Timothy Dalton. See your past episode on the rocketeer.
01:13:19
Speaker
I think I think we did the November man and the rocketeer like back to back. I think those are episodes of this podcast. Probably. But yeah, go go check out our early catalog. Brett and I put a lot of work into those early episodes and they're pretty fun. Yeah, they're really good. That's why I'm here.
01:13:38
Speaker
That's why you're here. Like you exist in this context. You started as a fan and came on last year, about a year ago, actually, at RB Hest. We had reached out to I think in October and we're like, would you be interested in joining us as a third host? And you were like, I mean, straight up, maybe. Well, I probably didn't say that. I'd also I'd been editing for you guys for almost a year or two. That's true. You'd been editing for us for a while because it.
01:14:03
Speaker
it got to be a little more than Brett could handle on his own. And then there was a little bit of time in October of 2022 when I was doing the editing, like for like a month I did the editing. And that's why those episodes kind of suck editing wise, but yeah. Look, I've heard a lot, I've heard podcasts, there are podcasts that I subscribe to that have legitimate sponsors.
01:14:30
Speaker
that I am I'm infuriated with just because like they don't take the time to normalize their audio and fix their levels and like pan it out a little bit so that it doesn't all sound jumbled in the middle. It's like who is your editor? Like they're good at like cutting shit out and making shit tight.
01:14:53
Speaker
Like, the podcasts are tight. You can tell if they cut those together and make them tight. And they sound great in that way, like pacing wise. But you just, it's not hard to normalize
Sound mixing in media
01:15:06
Speaker
some volume. Just fuck with your knobs a bit, you know, figure out where the sweet spot is for both channels or all three or four channels, you know, and just get it to where it works. It's not hard. It takes me like, like when we record a main feed episode,
01:15:22
Speaker
And I know when we're done recording that there's nothing I need to edit out. I will just put the theme song on. I will spend about three minutes adjusting the levels.
01:15:36
Speaker
And then I skipped to the end and put the end theme on and that's it. Right. Yeah. It's that easy to balance your shit out. And there are podcasts, like I say, that have big sponsors that do not take this care. And I don't understand it. And it kind of annoys me as a listener because I know how fucking easy it is. And I'm sitting here like, like turning it up to hear the quiet parts and then they get loud and I have to turn it down because like, you know,
01:16:01
Speaker
I'm not in a private area or something like it's like a fucking Fast and Furious movie, dude. Yes. We got to turn this around off. That's that's that's what it is. Yeah. Get it on the two channel stereo. And that is it. Your dialogue will be clear.
01:16:16
Speaker
I just remember the first time I was watching the Fast and Furious movies, I was watching them and my ex was sleeping like and so I was like constantly like turning it up to hear the dialogue. And then as soon as there was a race, I was turning it way down because the engines were so fucking loud. And I was like, God, whoever edited this sound mix is awful. Yes.
01:16:36
Speaker
But I mean, I've complained, I've been complaining about sound mixing for fucking years, but no one listens to me. You know, some of it is bad, but 95% of the time, if you just fuck with the settings on your shit, like you can figure it out. And usually I have half the time. It's the fact that you're watching physical media and it defaults to like the five point one of the seven point one mix. Right.
Creature effects and film critique
01:17:03
Speaker
Who would I just always, whenever I put any disc in, I just go right in there and I'm like, let me get either stereo or mono. I'm not trying to do this 5.1, but I don't have 5.1 because it, it kills, it kills the dialogue.
01:17:17
Speaker
That'll fuck the shit up. Absolutely. Show show now. Tucker, I know you really enjoyed that, those kind of final moments of this movie. I wouldn't say I really enjoyed them. Well, you enjoyed them more than you enjoyed the rest of the movie. It at least like captured my interest for a brief moment. Sure. I can say the rest of this film did not. Right.
01:17:43
Speaker
Because even when I was like excited about something like outside of any kind of effects reveal, it just was undercut and shitty anyway. So like by the end of this movie, I had as few expectations as I could possibly have. And so just like the littlest, smallest, like barely interesting thing caught my attention.
01:18:09
Speaker
You're like, oh, it's in black and white. What's that about? Oh, these effects are nice, but like the creature. How did we get here? I will straight up say I this is what happens apparently when I when I drink the rest of my whiskey is I start to sound like Tucker. I will straight up say the creature effects on this movie are absolutely incredible. KMB, baby. Yeah. The look of the night flyer himself.
01:18:34
Speaker
is like next level, it's so good. He looks incredible. Name one KMB effect that sucks. Look, I guess I'm not familiar enough with what they've done. You've seen a lot of their shit, even if you don't realize that you've seen a lot of their shit.
01:18:52
Speaker
I'm sure I have because even like even outside of horror, like in sci fi and even, you know, effects for like thrillers and dramas, they'll pop in there and do shit. So whether it's a fantastic horror thing or a simple like cut of the hand in a drama, you've seen their shit. OK.
01:19:12
Speaker
I'm looking through makeup design here. We've got Howard Berger, Greg Nicotero and Greg Nicotero. That's a name I absolutely recognize. What's the other guy? He's a sweet dude. Who's the other guy, Greg? Greg something? Howard Berger, Robert Kurtzman. There you go. He has the most generic name, and that's the one I can never remember.
01:19:43
Speaker
But no, like I know I've I do know these guys now that you know that you call them out and I'm kind of looking through some of their credits right now and they've done everything they did everything they've they've done a lot of great shit and I Kind of love a lot of their stuff. Yeah, you're right. No, you're right And and I think that and and the performance of Miguel Ferrer are really what make this movie stand out and you can tell that's where the budget went and
01:20:08
Speaker
And they kind of had to like make do with everything else, which is what I'm not going to say. Go ahead. No, I was going to say that's why this movie has like one recognizable name in the cast and then a bunch of people who are like day players at best.
01:20:23
Speaker
kind of throughout like filling out the the remaining I guess the guy who did who plays the the head of the the tabloid he is he's peewee in porkies like three of his four known for our porkies movies and then the fourth one is fucking baby geniuses do they
01:20:46
Speaker
No. Do they, though? No, dude, I've never seen it. I can't I can't vouch. But like you like they didn't really work very hard to get names for this thing. So it's like, but you can tell like.
01:21:04
Speaker
The the creature effects are incredible. Like the the prosthetics on the night flyer, the like when you finally get to see him fall in the face, it's unbelievable. Also, not just the creature effects, but the gore effects. I think the the decapitations look really good. The severed heads look amazing.
01:21:25
Speaker
The holes in the next look really fucking great. Yes, I don't know what that's supposed to fucking be, but it looks great. Yes. Right. I don't know what that is. Like, it's kind of stupid, but at the same time, it looks amazing. But let I remember it. I remember when Alan Moore describes the the Dracula like.
01:21:44
Speaker
neck bite it didn't look like the two puncture wounds it was like scarring like heavy scarring like like the characters that had been bitten had been gored almost I think it's I think the two like just really hollow black
01:22:00
Speaker
holes, like empty looking. That's scarier to me. It is, like it's almost like he took his hand and the claws on that hand and like made kind of a pointed fist and just plunged them in and they just put his whole mouth over it. Or maybe just ripped out the side of their neck with his teeth and just sucked all the blood out that way. Who knows?
01:22:21
Speaker
Like it's it's brutal. It's far more brutal than, you know, just the romantic Bela Lugosi twin punk. It does look good. Like I say, it's not my preferred, but it looks great. It looks fantastic. It looks fantastic. But let me say that's not look all like Miguel Ferrer.
01:22:39
Speaker
We love him. We love him so much. And he does his best in this movie. He's doing the Lord's work. The effects are phenomenal. But I still can't say that you should watch this movie because of that. Right. If you want to, it's on YouTube.
01:22:57
Speaker
Watch apparently the second link is apparently higher quality than the first. You want the one that's widescreen, not the four by three one, because the four by three one tops out at 360 P. Yeah. And the one is at least standard edition. And I'd say about 75 percent of the time, it does not look like noticeably bad. Seventy five percent of the time, it works every time. Yeah, dude. But yeah, I was like Bigfoot's dick.
01:23:30
Speaker
You did that. That was you. You did. I did. I did. I fucking you. That's my favorite Will Ferrell movie. Can I just say that? That is my favorite movie. I'm going to allow it. I appreciate that. Most of that is because of Paul Rudd. I do love what Paul Rudd is doing in that movie. As I get older, I realize that Paul Rudd is way funnier than Steve Carell in that movie. Paul Rudd is so subtle because all of the characters that he plays
01:23:58
Speaker
You could believe them like doing those things and saying those things. He's such a believable like that guy. Exactly. And relatable to like it's kind of he's kind of perfect. We should. We should. I don't think there's a role you could throw it. All right. Let's do it. What do we got?
Paul Rudd's comedic versatility
01:24:19
Speaker
I have no idea. Like legit. I have no idea. I don't know. Did Ant-Man ever get a sequel?
01:24:27
Speaker
Dude, you got two sequels, dude. Oh, fuck. Got Anne the Wasp and my favorite Star Wars movie, Quantomania. Quantomania was so bad. Oh, fuck you, dude. I like that movie. I like to lie so much fun with that movie. I know. He's in Chippendale Rescue Rangers. We could probably cover that. Hey, that's the Lonely Island one, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah. With Ugly Sonic.
01:24:50
Speaker
Did you see that? No. That was great, dude. You should see it. It's pretty fantastic. I mean, I did see the movie. I don't remember. It's actually really good. John Mulaney and Andy Samberg as Chippendale, respectively. It's directed by... Is it Akiva Shafer or Yorma Takom that directs that one? I think it's Yorma that usually directs. So actually, it was Akiva Shafer.
01:25:17
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say he is the director of the group, so it would make more sense. It would make more sense for him to have directed than Yorma for sure. I get them mixed up because they go. They both have very unique names and neither of them are Andy Sandberg. That's also true, but.
01:25:36
Speaker
Still, still
Box office hits and flops
01:25:37
Speaker
a big fan. Hey, Steven, fuck this movie. Let's let's bring this. Let's bring this home. Let's bring it on home, dude. What's the office for this? I know it premiered on HBO, but I heard it had a small theatrical run. So it's got to be some money. It did. And there was there was, in fact, a little bit of money for this movie. And that little bit is the reason why it didn't get that sequel that we talked about earlier. As we mentioned, how did it do? What were the ratings on HBO, though?
01:26:04
Speaker
I have information on that. That I don't know. I don't even know where I would find TV ratings, to be honest with you. If you know where I can find TV ratings, like, hit me up. N-E-I-L-S-O-N. Look, man. No, why are we extending this episode?
01:26:24
Speaker
Ratings. Release ratings. OK. What's it say? Hang on. 2.8 million viewers. Hang on. Fucking TV Guide has the reviews. The unimaginative vampire picture played on HBO. Right.
01:26:45
Speaker
No rating. That's why there's no ratings. I just was just curious because I mean, this was released in theaters, which is why we're covering it. But it is a TV movie. Correct. And I mean, we've done that before, but it's not something we tend to try to make a habit of, to be honest with you.
01:27:01
Speaker
But yeah, I know it. I don't know anything about the TV release, but it did. It released on HBO in November of 20 or I'm sorry, of 1997. Excuse me. Yeah, it did release on HBO in November 1997. However, the theatrical release was February
01:27:21
Speaker
Six, the 1998 and the number one is like a limited run or was it wasn't wide. It wasn't a wide release. No, it was a fairly limited market. It did not crack one hundred thousand dollars in the domestic box office. It got ninety one point five thousand dollars in in the theatrical box office. So did not really do much. It was distributed by New Line.
01:27:49
Speaker
And the number one movie in America on February 6th, 1998 was the biggest movie of the previous year, still riding fucking high, having grossed over $300 million in 50 days.
01:28:07
Speaker
Um, that's the number of days in release, not weeks in release for. Oh, I'm on the daily chart. That's why. Fuck. Hang on. Let me pull up the right fucking charlie. Pull your head out of your ass, Steven. Someone needs to. Um, look, man, look, man, you got this. I believe in you.
01:28:27
Speaker
I'm glad someone does because Lord knows I don't. Eight weeks in release, it is earned three hundred and thirty seven point four million dollars. Do you know what the biggest movie of 1997 was, Tucker? Oh, it was. It's one of those instances of the highest grossing movie also winning the Oscar. Can't get one clue. Give me one clue.
01:28:52
Speaker
It features one of the biggest actors of the late 90s, early 2000s. It's a Will Smith movie, isn't it? It's not a Will Smith movie. He was a heartthrob. Oh, because this is February. Every girl our age fucking loved this guy. Jonathan Taylor Thomas? No, the other one that every girl our age fucking loved. The one that was in movies, not TV.
01:29:19
Speaker
John fucking. He's still he's still nothing. Brandis. He's still making movies to this day. He's still a major box office job. In fact, he was in a movie. He is. He is a favorite of one of our favorite directors. He's a favorite actor of one of our favorite directors. Is it Leo? It's Leo. What was Leo's big 1997 movie, Tucker? Was it Titanic? Straight up Titanic. James Cameron's.
01:29:50
Speaker
Titanic. For eight weeks in a row, it has earned over $300 million in the in the domestic box office. It earns 23 million this weekend alone. I saw that at the movie theater and boy, my mom was embarrassed when there was some boobies. The boobies. I saw that one for the she didn't expect that.
01:30:09
Speaker
two to three years ago and, uh, was kind of like, why did I not see this before? This movie straight up rules. It's pretty all right. Yeah. It's not really my cup of tea, but like it's cool. It's rad. It's a great, like, uh, here's the thing about Jim Cameron, uh, dude knows how to make movies.
01:30:25
Speaker
He's pretty good at making movies. Yeah, he is. He is straight up good at making movies in the second spot.
90s films and unique thrillers
01:30:31
Speaker
An early Antoine Fuqua film starring our buddy Chaiyun Fat and the great Mira Sorvino The Replacement Killers at number two opening this weekend to eight million dollars. Not bad.
01:30:45
Speaker
in third place after 10 weeks in release. It remains steady at third place. It will win the best screenplay Oscar for its very young, up and coming screenwriters who would go on to become famous actors and one of them a director in his own right. Good Will Hunting. How do you like them apples, Tucker? How do you like applesauce, bitch, applesauce, bitch?
01:31:09
Speaker
Uh, in fourth place, the other new release this weekend, it is Blues Brothers 2000, a movie that you and I and Brett covered on the Patreon, patreon.com slash disenfranchised. I strongly mentioned that.
01:31:26
Speaker
strongly like that movie. I don't want to say I love it because I come right up to loving it, but I strongly. I have strong feelings for that film. Is it good? No, but I sure do like it a whole lot. You sure do. I do. John Goodman is just he's a national treasure. Anyway, what was the next one there in fifth and fifth this week is great expectations. Those expectations, boy, they sure are great. Wasn't Gwyneth Paltrow in that or some shit?
01:31:52
Speaker
That is let me double check here. That is the one. Yes, that's Gwyneth Paltrow, Ethan Hawke, Robert De Niro and Bancroft, Chris Cooper, Hank Azaria, Gabriel Mann, Alfonso Cuaron directed that motherfucker. I got it. I got to say something like you might see me as not the fanciest dude, but I saw that movie. No big deal. Right on. Whatever. I liked it. I'm straight up a man of culture. Sure. Sometimes. Yeah.
01:32:22
Speaker
I like basket cakes, but I'll also get really shakes, you know? Sure, sure. Modernized Hamlet with Ethan Hawke and Billman. Oh, that's a good one, dude.
01:32:34
Speaker
I love that movie. I love the soundtrack to get more Chiba's on that bitch. That's a good soundtrack. It's a good movie to go see that underrated, like never talked about, never thought about by any human being. Early 2000s re modernization of Hamlet with you to talk. Just go see it.
01:32:57
Speaker
You heard it here, probably third, folks. Routing. And number six, as good as it gets. Number seven, Spice World. It gets better. Yeah. Number eight, Wag of the Dog. Oh, with Dustin Hoffman. I like that. You've seen that movie, Steve? I have not. That's a Barry Levinson joint. That's another kind of people. It was big for a second and then everybody fucking forgot about it for exactly a second. Yep.
01:33:24
Speaker
Dustin Hoffman and really good. Yeah, yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it's good. I've not seen it. I need to number nine desperate measures and number 10 future episode of this podcast deep rising. Oh, I like that movie so much. RIP treat Williams who did not die of old age. That's the saddest part that you want somebody to die like of old age peacefully in their sleep. I forgot a motorcycle accident. Yeah, I did. Fuck that. That's right.
01:33:52
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Um, and some others, some deeper cuts, uh, 11 fallen. Uh, number 13, tomorrow never dies. Speaking of Pierce Brosnan fallen with like Denzel Washington, the Washington and John Goodman future episode of this pun time is on my side. Yes, it is. I love that movie. That's, that's the, that's like one of those quintessential like seven. It's like the, it's one of the thrillers you have to see from the nineties, right? Because the thriller was a whole different genre in the nineties.
01:34:22
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It was fantastic for sure. Oh, there's some good shit in there. Throw some Ashley Judd, Morgan Freeman and any of those. Oh, you're having a good time. There it is. Number 14, Mouse Hunt. And then all the way down your boy, Nathan Lane's in that movie. He is. I fucking love that movie. And number the first. I know this shit. I don't know the first Gore Verbinski movie. That's how do I know this shit? That's boot.
01:34:45
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And number 22, past episode of this podcast, I know one you love, L.A. Confidential. I do love that movie. You do. I was thinking about it tonight, actually. Oh, of course you were.
01:34:57
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But then, like, I started thinking about Undercover Brother and now I can't stop thinking about Undercover Brother because I love that movie. Sure, sure. The Tomatometer score on this one is a 33 percent certified rotten. No, thank you. That's a little more than fair, if I'm being honest. The meta the meta score is a 36 based on generally unfavorable reviews from seven critics being
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01:35:20
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too nice. I mean, kind of.
01:35:23
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And the letterbox score, I got to pull it up here because my computer did a shitty, shitty thing. The letterbox score is a three point one. Too tight. Tucker out of five stars. How are you? Rating Stephen King's the knife liar.
01:35:42
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Look, this is one and a half stars for me, okay? It's 0.75 stars from Miguel Ferrer and 0.75 stars for KMBFX. Outside of that, this movie can fuck right off and kiss my whole asshole.
01:35:56
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Um, with the exception of it kissing my whole asshole, because I don't want to derive pleasure from this movie. You're a bad man, Steven. I'm terrible. Um, I, it's a 1.5 for me as well. Like I straight up motherfuck this movie. I don't like it. No, sir. I don't like it. I'm not anticipating that I'm going to like next week's film either, but I have a feeling I'm going to like it more than I like this. It's going to be an interesting conversation at least.
01:36:21
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It will at that because we'll have some 2013 remake of that. And then there's the it's right. That's what we're doing next week. Yeah, I'm trying to be vague about it. But yeah, yeah. You say 2013 remake and everyone pretty much clicks it and looks even. I don't know. I don't know if you're necessarily going to like it, but you will have a lot to say about it that I can tell you.
01:36:42
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That I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. And you, you and Brett is able to join us next week. We're going to have to get the band together to talk rage carry two on the Patreon. So yes. I refuse to do it without all of us. I know. I know you do because you're that guy.
01:37:02
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It's because look, it's it's a movie I love and I want to share with you guys, guys, my friends. And I want you both here for it. Let me let me ask you a question, Tucker, and I want you to be 100 percent honest with me when I ask you this question. Yeah. How many times have you seen The Rage Carry 2 this month? This month?
01:37:24
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You'll be surprised to find out I've only watched it five times this. Only five. Only five gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, only a couple times a week. That's not a lot. A lot of my friends. That's like that's I mean, you've also been watching the entirety of True Detective and some other things that people will need to go check out our most recent episode of what are we watching to find out about so much context. You got to hit that. Patreon.
01:37:50
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You really do, guys. There's so much a trial. We still got the 70 trial going on, Stephen. As far as I know, still do. As far as I know, 70 trial, dude, you'll you'll have enough stuff for seven days to where I think at the end of those seven days, you'll be like, yeah, this is worth five dollars a month. You'll want to re up. You will. There is some good, good look. I would still be a patron if I could afford it. But for right now, I can't. I hope to afford it soon.
01:38:16
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Yeah, and once I can I will be I'm look no one's more sad than I am to lose it But I'm still one of these days. I think to make up for it. I think we'll have to fast-track the Zelda Rubinstein Soundboard we will I think they took away stretch goals on patreon. So we don't have you got but we really show stretch goal
01:38:37
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Should put that on we committed to it is what i'm saying. We did committed to it. We absolutely did. You're right We're right. We we advertised people came we met the goal They they look we still have 10 10 patrons that are that are paying us right now So we at least 10 we know we do and we should put it out. Yeah, it's got it's gotta go at some point
01:38:59
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Look, no rush. I'm just saying it's got to happen. That's the night flyer, everybody. That is that is the thing you can you can watch. I wish you were the thing. It's not streaming anywhere. You can find it on YouTube. You can watch it. If you really want to watch it and see those really cool creature effects and and watch the late great Miguel Ferrer. I don't. I don't know why you'd want to. I don't know that it's worth it, but you know it. Watch it on YouTube. It's not worth it. Look, my roommate.
01:39:27
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is the probably the only person in the world whose favorite kind of movie is a late eighties or nineties. Stephen King adapted TV film. Sure. It's very, very specific genre. Very. She's a huge fan of this genre. She loved the Tommy Knockers.
01:39:49
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Love the the Langoliers. Yeah, dude. She eats that shit up. Rose red. Yes. Now, some of those do slap, but like she loves all that shit, but like specifically the TV adaptations and like I'm not even going to recommend this motherfucker to her because I feel like I would offend her like I might make her mad if I made her watch this movie. Dude, can I ask you a question? You can cut this out if you want. You may. You may have your roommate on the podcast. Well, here's the thing.
01:40:21
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I knew it was gonna be one of these. I knew it was gonna be one of these. As some people know, my roommate is my ex-wife.
01:40:30
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And like, we cool, we real cool, like we friends and shit. Like we got each other's back. Like you were together. You kind of have to be. Yeah, kind of a it's more of a sibling kind of relationship now. Right. Like, you know, we don't always hang out like we're good roommates because we give each other a lot of space, you know, like we do interact and we hang out sometimes and stuff. But I wouldn't say that we're real great friends. But like I said, it's more of a sibling.
01:40:58
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relationship. And that being said, I can be a bit much for her these days. You a bit much? No, discuss sometimes because she's been like, Oh, man, I love that movie. I should come on and talk about it. And I'm like,
01:41:15
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Should you, though? Because don't discourage her, man. After. Well, no, after about five minutes, she'd be out like really for me being completely myself and unhinged. You are. You do get pretty unhinged on these motherfuckers. She would. She'd be done after about five minutes. That's why I told her, like, yo, do you want it? Do you want to listen to me talk?
01:41:40
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like at my tookiest for two hours. Yeah, I didn't fucking think so. You really are at your tookiest for most of these. Yeah. Now, she she would be a good she would be a good fill in for me. Like if I for some reason could not be here, that would be fun. But I don't know. I mean, maybe at some point, I don't know. I don't know. The option is is if she if she's up for it, we would love to have her.
01:42:11
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I don't know if I think if it's something that we agreed on enough that she's as enthusiastic about as I am because she does get as nerdy and obsessive about some things. She's not it's not as broad of a spectrum as it is with me. She's very specific about things. And that's totally cool. That makes. And if it were something that we completely saw eye to eye on, we're completely freaking out about, then she would be
01:42:38
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in a very rare instance, nerding out just like me. So we would we would have a good time. But outside of that. No, dude, she she she cannot sanction my buffoonery and look in normal circumstances. I don't fucking blame her. I'm a lot, dude. I'm a lot. There are times I can't sanction your buffoonery. So I am a fucking lot. You are. But look, so am I. Not for everybody. Nor am I.
01:43:07
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The fact that I have found someone who could put up with my bullshit at all, a gift from the Lord Almighty, quite frankly. So I get it. Trust me, I get it. There are times when I worry that I am too much for anyone. And again, another reason why I'm amazed that people listen to this shit at all. But again, let her know if there's anything she wants to call her. The door's open. The door's always open. We would love to have her on.
01:43:37
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So just throwing that out there. But yeah, this is the disenfranchised podcast. Look, if you don't know, now you know, this is what we are. This is what we do. We got another Stephen King. We're going to finish out the King inning next week. I don't know if Brett's going to be here or not.
01:43:54
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Brett might Brett might have had a you know an unfortunate running at prom next week I don't know what's gonna happen who knows but but his friends left him at the pig farm maybe they did here's what I do know though here's what I know you can find you can reach out to us at disenfranch pod at gmail.com
01:44:12
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You can let us know what you think of us. You can you can request a future episode. We've actually got two listener requests coming up within the first quarter of this year. And what is in this? What is actually going to include the person that suggested it is going to guest on this podcast.
01:44:28
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Hey, that's that's how I that's how I am where I am today. That's true. If we not saying that's good. Like, come on, don't don't get your hopes up because it's not going to happen to you. I'm just saying that's how, you know. Yeah. Well, if if I've met you going for my spot, if I've met you in person and I think you're a cool person, then yeah, come on on. But if not, then I mean, I may have met you online and think you're a cool person, but I'm not going to have you on podcasts. I love you, though. I'd be willing to have a rando from the Internet on.
01:44:58
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Potentially. Yeah, potentially. We'll consider it. We'll talk about
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01:45:01
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it. Not this year, though. Not this year. And in the immortal words from the great great film, they live not this year, not this year. But but yeah, we've got two of those coming up. So look, we try to if you request a film, we really do try to put it on the schedule.
01:45:20
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It gets in the rotation. We don't know how long it's going to take, but it's it's going to happen. Like we're that we guarantee the schedule is a mat. The schedule is a living organism. Like it's constantly changing to meet our needs like we have. We had one of them that we're going to get to in March. We had one of those on the schedule from December last year, and we had to push it because of some some unforeseen. Yo, there's shit that you like, for example, Galaxy Quest.
01:45:48
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that you that you guys, even before I was on here, you guys have been trying to do from the beginning. It's been scheduled so many times. And I think that's probably the most canceled episode of the entire series. Kind of. Yeah. Every couple of months, Galaxy Quest pops up and then it just kind of disappears. We just kind of push it. Yeah, it's not even on the schedule anymore. We've no no, it's not. We gave up. We kind of gave up. I need I need to reach out to the person I want to have on as a guest, because I think he would be. I will fucking love that movie.
01:46:19
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One of the one of the most hardcore Trekkies I know he's been a Trek fan longer than I've been alive. Man is a fucking legend. I want to have him on so bad. That's a movie like I challenge anyone to not like that movie. It's so good.
01:46:35
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It's so like, even if you're not a sci-fi fan, even if you don't know a lot, you know, about the Star Trek references and stuff like that, it's still a fantastic movie. It's so good. Your girl from fucking Josie the Pussycats is in that movie. What's your fucking name? Missy Pyle. Yes, I was going to say sissy. I'm thinking urban cowboy over here.
01:46:58
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Foolish. Foolish. You know what else you can do? You can hit us up on, you know, wherever you find your podcast, Spotify, Apple podcast. If you find us on there, give us a five star rating and review. That is so helpful for us. Honestly, it's probably the second best way that you can support us as podcasters.
01:47:18
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outside of giving us money. Speaking of which, if you do want to give us money, we've mentioned it several times in this episode, patreon.com slash disenfranch pod. You can find our weekly What are we watching podcast, you can find you get early access to know what we're covering on the main feed. So at the beginning of every month, we tell you what we're planning on covering. Now that may change it does.
01:47:39
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fairly frequently, but we'll let you know what we're planning on at any rate. And we also occasionally throw you a bonus episode, like this month we're planning an unenfranchised on the Rage Carry 2, which we mentioned earlier. Hit that Patreon, five bucks a month, get you access to hours, days of content even behind that paywall. So hit us up, Patreon.com slash disenfranchpod.
01:48:02
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Um, you can also find us on social media. We're at disenfranch pod on blue sky, Facebook, Instagram X and.
01:48:11
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YouTube. Tell them about the YouTube, Steven. Tell them about the YouTube. Tucker works so hard every week to convert our episodes onto a video format. Rendering tapes time. It takes so much fucking time. You get to look at the logo that I personally, Steven Foxworthy, the guy you're listening to right now talk, I designed that motherfucker. And despite having no graphical design training, this man can make a pretty good logo.
01:48:40
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I fucking good. I have made every every logo that you see for this podcast, both on Patreon and on the main feed is a thing that I've made. And I don't hate any of them. No. And Tucker is picky as shit. I am, especially when it comes to graphical design, because I'm a big like like a band poster, like show poster nerd.
01:49:02
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On the upcoming, what are we watching? I make him critique my my logo for his show straight up. His quarterly show straight up. We did that on Mike. I forgot that on Mike. Yeah. And you get to you get to hear him react in real time to the thing that I sent him and real life. You guys spoiler alert. He liked it. I like it. You will probably see that on an upcoming episode of Straight Up. Not what I had in mind, but it won me over.
01:49:27
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Yeah, so, you know, there you go. But yeah, Patreon dot com slash is in French pot. Absolutely. Fucking hit us up. Make sure you check that YouTube out and see them subscribe to the YouTube. Like, even if you don't watch the videos, which that is kind of the preferred way. First of all, watch the video, but also like YouTube is the only platform that we're on where the streams
01:49:52
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of the content actually matters towards us like getting into an algorithm or something. Otherwise, it's like ratings or comments, you know, Spotify as well. But yes. Yeah, it would just look we we do such weird business on YouTube because it seems like every other episode like does really well. And then the one in between gets zero to two views. Right, right, right, right, right.
01:50:19
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And then all of a sudden one will get 200 views, then we'll be back to like no views. So like some consistency, I just want to get this shit out to people who would enjoy it. Like that's the whole point of it is to like entertain people and make them forget that the world is on fire for a couple hours, you know.
01:50:39
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But yeah. Let's have a good time. We are absolutely 100% on YouTube. Check us out there. Check us out on all our social media platforms. And just, you know, I said X. We're not really on X anymore. I kind of got us off X. I don't know why I said that. Yeah. Fuck Elon. Fuck X. No, thank you. But.
01:50:59
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I'm Steven Foxworthy. I don't know if you guys know that or not, but I am. And you can find me on Blue Sky. You can find me on Instagram. You can find me on Letterboxd. Letterboxd is the other one. We're on a disenfranch pod. But you can find me on Letterboxd at Chewy Walrus. You can find our absent friend Brett Wright at sus underscore warlock on Letterboxd and Instagram at sus warlock on Blue Sky. Tucker, where can we find you, sir?
01:51:25
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You can find me on YouTube and Instagrams at ice909, that's I C E N I N E
01:51:37
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the number zero and the number nine. Also on Instagram, you can check out tuck mugs like we were there was a bit of a hiatus there for a while, just because, you know, I let the staff go home for the holidays and stuff.
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And so we had some things to sort of catch up on. We're still kind of catching up on the holidays. I still do have one post in the chamber.
01:52:05
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ready to go in the next couple days. That is from the holiday break. I was going to say that's that's another guest mug, right? It is another guest mug. And then after that, I have plans on on posting one of my mugs. Strangely, it's been a while. I know it has, you know, I could have I could have myself a mug as well. So that's pretty exciting. I really like. The way it's it's coming together.
01:52:34
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That's where you can find me on social media. You were talking about letterbox and it made me remember my rushes I got in my email earlier today, Steven. And can I read you my favorite? Please. My favorite Circle City supernatural review ever. I think I know exactly which one you're talking about, because it's one that Joseph and I actually looked at yesterday when we were recording a promo. Nick Caesar gives it two and a half stars.
01:53:04
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And he said, it's like Ned Flanders made a Tales from the Crypt for $20. I love that description. I love it. Honestly, I was talking to Joseph yesterday and he said that he wanted to use that as a poll quote. Yeah, put it on the Blu-ray, put it on the poster.
01:53:21
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Yeah, please. Yeah. No, I'm all for it. Like we absolutely want to do it. We absolutely want to do it. Yeah, I think I was making my daughter dinner when I read that and like I had to stop cutting her sandwich and laugh for like probably three or four minutes. Yeah, no, Joseph and I were we were literally recording something that's going to be it. If you follow endless of the endless elsewhere podcast, this will have dropped on your feet already.
01:53:51
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We're recording a promo. It's dropping tomorrow as of the date of this recording. Oh, fuck. Or tonight, maybe. I don't know. Check now. Maybe it's up there. But we were recording something yesterday for that.
01:54:06
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In between recordings, we were going through the letterbox reviews to see if there were any new ones. And I read him that one and we both just fucking lost it. We had such a fun laugh over that. So perfect. It was a good time.
01:54:27
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Yeah, that's great. Is great. Enjoyed. I had to mention that just because when you were talking about we're on letterboxed and shit, I instant I hadn't thought about it since that I've been doing other shit. Yeah. I had to watch this terrible fucking movie. You did. So did I. We both did. Both of us did.
01:54:42
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We know Brett's probably not watching it. Oh, lucky. The lucky guy would rather be in like constant meetings all day. Right. Instead of watching this movie, like if I could get out of watching this movie. Yeah. Right. Yeah. 100 percent. Yeah. 100 percent. Absolutely.
01:55:02
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As long as it's like catered by Jimmy Johns or something. Oh, that'd be good, dude. I fucking, I miss Jimmy Johns. Jimmy Johns is my jam, dude. Even since I've been a vegetarian, like you get the double provolone, extra lettuce and sprouts, dude. Cover it in mayo. Doesn't matter, dude. Cause I was doing that before and I couldn't even taste the meat. Cause I was so much provolone and sprouts and lettuce on it. Provolone sprouts and lettuce, dude. So that's no big change for me. Right on.
01:55:31
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Perfect. Right. Oh, my friend. Well, hey, that is our episode on the nightflower. We got one more episode in the king inning, the drawing of three. So come back next week for that. I'm sure you have no idea what it is because we've been really bad about hinting wink about what that Julianne Moore is in it. Carry on, my friends. Carry on.
01:55:52
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In the meantime, I have been your host, Steven Foxworthy, for my co-host Tucker and the absent Brett Wright. Until next time, yes, we know what you had to do. We know how cold those slabs get. And yet still, we don't fucking care. Night flyer.
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