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230 - Dude, Where’s My Car? (2000)
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“Shibby!”
This week, we're FINALLY getting to the bottom of this film's titular age-old question and, along the way, we discuss what drugs were the production crew of this movie on when they were crafting the story of this film, homophobic and transphobic elements and their commonality during the turn of the century; the DisenFIVEchised theme song, all the movies we think this film borrows from or inspires and some of our favorite White Castle and McDonald’s menu hacks!
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Transcript
Unintentional recording and movie slang discussion
00:00:00
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Let's try to keep them at a minimum, if possible. Keep what at a minimum? Because as someone who makes up my own words and slang, Shibby, is that that would never even make a list of consideration.
00:00:16
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is Is Shibby... Okay, how does Shibby then compare to something like Snoogins? Snoogins? Burning content, Steven! but No, and we are recording right fucking now! Oh, shit, we are recording We've been rolling since about halfway through your
Influence of Jay and Silent Bob on movie's style
00:00:31
Speaker
your damn rant there.
00:00:33
Speaker
Well, I'll tell ya, it has to do with when you're inventing new slang, especially when it's a nonsense word, it has to not only be something that people are going to remember, but it has to sound...
00:00:52
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natural and good coming from the originator's mouth and something like I would argue that ah most of Jason Mewes is like silly slang that he makes up for Jay in Jay and Silent Bob that stuff outside of him does not work it's cringe as fuck but when he says it it works Because, and and that's another thing, we haven't even started to see them, that's another thing ah about this movie, man.
00:01:27
Speaker
Because they're trying to do, they're trying to do like a Jay and Silent Bob, Bill and Ted sort of thing. And
Kutcher and Scott's chemistry vs. poor writing
00:01:33
Speaker
they kind of succeed. It's this, there's a lot going on. There's a lot this movie is trying to do.
00:01:41
Speaker
And I don't know that it's doing a lot of it successfully. I will tell you, um Aston Kutcher and fucking Sean William Scott. Fucking Sean William Scott.
00:01:52
Speaker
They have fantastic chemistry. They do. And the fact that you can tell that. in a movie with such bad writing is a testament to their chemistry.
00:02:04
Speaker
I think these guys in a different movie into it, way into it, actually. But they just, it they're not, they don't get enough to do in this. Anyway, Steven, you want to start
Critique of 'Shibby' and film's slang usage
00:02:16
Speaker
the podcast while i take my sweatshirt off? I'm already having a hot flash.
00:02:19
Speaker
I, well, you got all, you got really worked up there about the word shibby is what happened. Oh, I just, ah it just doesn't, it doesn't work in any, any kind of way. like I said, as, as somebody who's a bit of an expert on the subject, it just doesn't, it would never make a list. Someone would suggest that and I wouldn't even write it down.
00:02:37
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I'd be like, no, no. now
00:02:41
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Well, in that case...
00:02:49
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franchise rights alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams.
Humorous podcast introduction and failed franchises
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franchise right alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dream Shibby, you're listening to the Disenfranchise Podcast, that podcast all about those franchises, one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:03:23
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I am and remain your loyal host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me as always, the man who does in fact know the difference between an ostrich and a llama, it's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
00:03:36
Speaker
Best believe I do. Hello, Steven. How are you this evening?
Aging humor and outdated jokes in the movie
00:03:39
Speaker
I'm doing shibby. How about yourself? Man, what I tell you? Motherfucker, what I tell you? Right out the gate. do You think you can slip that past me?
00:03:47
Speaker
No, I'm not trying to slip anything past you, shibby. I'm just... Boy, I tell you what. I will start bleeping him. You want bleep him? I'll bleep him. I'll bleep the motherfuckers. I don't care. In that case, I'm going to start saying it and a lot more.
00:03:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I kind of realized that as I was saying it. I was like, I'm just giving him a reason to say it more. Exactly, because now I'm just going to fuck with you, is is what's going to happen. Okay, I will not believe it. I implore you, Steven. Like I said, I realize it's going to have to be said, but if we could keep it at a minimum.
00:04:17
Speaker
I mean, it it is going to have to be said. This movie is, i think the only word they say more than should be in this movie is the word car. um Car, yes. yeah Because they they're saying that shit all over. And I'm including like conjunctions and invectives, too. like do you think Do you think people have figured out what movie we're talking about? If they haven't looked at the title of this episode, do you think they've figured out what we're talking about?
00:04:41
Speaker
i am I would be amazed if someone actually listened to this podcast without first looking at the name of the episode. um But you know what? If they were a teenager in the late 90s and early 2000s, chances are they know exactly what motherfucking movie we're
Offensive humor and lead actors' chemistry
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talking about. Otherwise, no fucking idea.
00:05:00
Speaker
Okay. should we go ahead and This movie has aged like milk, honestly. um And not in the fun cheese making way. i would argue that it was it was never good.
00:05:16
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um even now And that was the thing when I was watching it and like when they were making fun of blind people and trans people and everybody else in the world. I didn't even care because I was like, this movie, it it's it's not even worth getting upset about.
00:05:31
Speaker
it's such a piece It's such a piece of shit. It's not worth getting upset about. It's such a trifle of a film. It's just... fucking cares? That's the weird thing about this movie, Steven. I don't hate this movie, but I don't like it.
00:05:45
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Yeah. Like, I'm not, like I'm not going to be like, oh, fuck this movie. I'm just going to be like, yeah, not for me. Here's the thing, though. and And I will say this. If you if you are fuck this movie...
00:05:56
Speaker
Yes, understand. And honestly, absolutely. Because this this there is ah there's some egregious shit in this movie, if we're being real honest.
00:06:07
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But it's that there is the the the plot is practically, it's nonsense if it's existent at all. um the The characters, the dialogues, the situations all feel like microwaved from like the cold leftovers of other movies.
00:06:26
Speaker
yeah Like this is like there's Jay and Silent Bob. There's Bill and Ted. There's Beavis and Butthead. beavis and butthead yeah which would if they would just done that as yeah this as a beavis and butthead movie like they had intended that was the plan might have actually worked a little better i could see this working better
Comparing 'Dude, Where's My Car?' to other films
00:06:46
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as an early beavis and butthead film this was planned as a live action beavis and butthead adaptation and eventually that was scrapped and they decided to make it This instead.
00:06:58
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But Ryan Gosling and Mikey Day weren't like age appropriate for the roles back then. i don't understand who would have played them in live action. I don't know. Probably Ashton Kutcher and Sean William Scott, honestly. Or maybe Jake Gyllenhaal Seth Rogen.
00:07:13
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There you go. God, yes. The two two people who auditioned for this movie, but were ultimately not cast. I'd watch that one, too, because I just can't. Like, I could see Jake Gyllenhaal being funny, but i I don't think I could believe a lovably gullible Jake Gyllenhaal. Let's, okay. you heavy you You're talking like someone who has not seen the movie Bubble Boy, and I need to know if you've seen the Jake Gyllenhaal vehicle Bubble Boy.
00:07:43
Speaker
You know, that's probably the problem. I never saw that. Never seen it. because i and and And again, I don't know that he necessarily like relays himself well there in that particular role, but that is very much kind of what he's doing.
00:07:58
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And that is his immediate follow-up to Donnie Darko, is Bubble Boy. Oh, nice. I always forget that that was him in that. Like, I always remember that movie being a thing.
00:08:09
Speaker
Yeah. But I always forget that it was our boy Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, that is that is the comedy version of the John Travolta film, The Boy Who Lived in a Bubble. They do Bubble Boy and that movie.
00:08:21
Speaker
It comes out in 2001, the year after this. after this And the movie we're talking about today is 2000s Dude, Where's My Car? We're talking about Dude, Where's My Car?
00:08:32
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Dude, Where's My Car, with directed by Danny Liner, written by Philip Stark. Written? This was written? Somebody had to do something. There's a script for this movie.
00:08:43
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Somebody was just writing jokes and setups like as they went along. and This movie was about as funny as an SNL promo. Honestly, yes.
00:08:53
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Which, as we know, are not funny at all. But we forgive it because we know they're busy. Correct. We know they're busy. The last thing they have time for is creating a funny promo. ah stuff The cast of this film, the aforementioned Ashton Kutcher and Sean William Scott,
00:09:09
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Trump supporter, Christy christy Swanson, ah Jennifer Garner, my childhood crush, Marla Sokoloff, the great David Herman, Hal Sparks, Charlie O'Connell, Mary Lynn Reichkub. going to skip around here.
00:09:21
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ah Hey, that's that's Jerry O'Connell's brother. hey It shows. He's kind of the, optic but are he's kind of the the um what's the bald one we don't like? Yeah, that one.
00:09:33
Speaker
He's the Stephen to... ah He's the Stephen of the O'Connell clan? Yeah, Jerry's Alec there, yeah. He's the Frank Stallone told to like so Jerry Celeste. He's the Brian Doyle murphy Murray.
00:09:48
Speaker
Is it the Brian Doyle or the Joel Murray? because Both combined. I think that's giving Charlie O'Connell a lot of credit, Tucker. I saw O'Connell, and I was like, oh, wait.
00:10:01
Speaker
I'm going to point him out. And I saw the chin. I was like, oh, there he is. yeah There he is. That's it. ah Teresa Tunney, John Tolles Bay, the great Keone Young,
Misconceptions about drug use in pop culture
00:10:13
Speaker
Jodi Ann Patterson, Cleo King, Brent Spiner, and Andy Dick, both uncredited in this movie. And of course, lest we forget, motherfucking Fabio in this movie.
00:10:26
Speaker
Fabio's there for a second, yeah. He is, yeah. This is, so I told you I had a letterboxed list with this movie on it, in in the group chat, despite never having seen this film. And that is movies where the main characters are stoner coded without actually ever smoking weed.
00:10:45
Speaker
Yo. Yeah, well, you know, it's because it's PG-13, and I really think they set out to make an R, which you can tell, are because just like, similar to Pootie Tang, which was shot to be an R and then trimmed to be a PG-13 when it was re-edited by the studio, there are several instances where someone says something and their mouth is saying something different.
00:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. This movie is made to be an R-rated film. But i think I think, you know, this was kind of a smart decision, I think, by the studio, if this was a studio decision, to knock it down to PG-13.
00:11:21
Speaker
Because why even bother rating it R? Like, nobody ah with the emotional intelligence above, like, 11 years old is going to think this is funny.
00:11:32
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So there's no reason to even... Unless they're stoned out of their fucking mind. Stoner here! This is not funny. This is not funny. Not even stoners think this is funny.
00:11:44
Speaker
Like you have to like you have to be a stoner and then like add a bunch of other adjectives before that. Idiot stoner.
00:11:56
Speaker
I mean, you said it. I didn't. I did say it. It wasn't me that said said that. No, I was i was simply following your train of thought to its logical conclusion. and You did it. We're all proud of you, Steve. I, you know, i can I have my treat now, please? Yes.
00:12:14
Speaker
ah The monkey has danced for his supper. Please give him the supper. Your Kangol with your name on it? Is that your prize? Not my Kangol, my beret. My motherfucking beret is what they're worth.
00:12:25
Speaker
Which is why they're so put out by it is because it's not a Kangol in 2000 would be fucking cool as hell. That is not a Kangol, sir. That is a beret. an All the way
Anecdotes and humor about Whitney Houston
00:12:37
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beret.
00:12:37
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However, I think it is amazing that they bought them berets that match their tracksuits. How did they know? I mean, it's almost as like someone did that intentionally in a production design office somewhere. It's almost like they wrote it five seconds before they filmed it.
00:12:54
Speaker
Yeah. It's almost like that. Hey, shh! home Hey, guys, like, what if what what if the braids like were what if they were the same color as the tracks? No, see, again, again, not something I think someone that is just a stoner would think was funny for me.
00:13:15
Speaker
When someone's writing this, they're just hitting themselves in the head with a hammer. OK, how about this? How about writing it? How about this?
00:13:24
Speaker
Okay, all right, okay, so like, um what what what if what if, just hear me out. What if the berets ah umma match the colors that they were wearing earlier? we the correct I could see this being amphetamine related.
00:13:41
Speaker
Maybe just because like when when you're on amphetamines, things like- To be clear, I have never been on amphetamines.
00:13:52
Speaker
ah When I was much younger, ah for a short time, i had some experiences with ecstasy, which is ah something that I won't do again.
00:14:03
Speaker
enough. In fact, i won't i don't do it I don't do anything that's like chemicals. I'm even scared of like prescription medication. But back then, I wasn't.
00:14:16
Speaker
And I'll tell you, when you're when you have amphetamines in your system... Things that aren't usually a good idea sound like a fan fantastic idea.
00:14:30
Speaker
And like you're even you like you're self-aware, too. You're like, this should not be the thing I'm doing. But for some reason, this is the thing I have to do right now.
00:14:41
Speaker
Yeah, I can only imagine. I've never done like meth or speed or any of that other shit. I can only imagine what it's like on that harder shit. Boy, those people are out of their minds. Good for them. but please is it Is it good for them, Tucker?
00:14:55
Speaker
Hey, if you can handle it, then do your thing. But if you can't, stay the fuck away. i was going to say, I think the entire show Breaking Bad is a testament to the fact that most people can't fucking handle.
00:15:08
Speaker
Yeah, you don't really meet a lot of people who have just done meth once. Right. It's not something you hear. You know, i tried meth once and it was pretty cool. End of story. Nope. Never. heard that No one's ever said that to me.
00:15:20
Speaker
Quote said no one ever. Ever. Ever. Hey, you know, I tried out black tall heroin the other day and it was pretty all right. Don't know I'll do it again. I'm not going to do it again, but it was, you know, I like to experience everything.
00:15:33
Speaker
You know, the other day I was talking to a gentleman on the street and he gave me something called a crack pipe. I gave it a try. And you know what? Not for me. Not for me. I appreciate those who can do it. and And I told him God bless, but you know what? Not for me.
00:15:47
Speaker
i don't think I'll be doing that again. You know, Steven, like Whitney Houston, um i will say crack is a poor people's drug and I don't do poor people drugs. Come on, you think with as much money as I have, Stephen, won't be buying a crack rock?
00:16:03
Speaker
How much money do you have, Tucker? Not a lot. I just really enjoy that Whitney Houston quote from that interview. It's a good quote. My favorite, of course, Whitney Houston quote of all time kiss my ass!
00:16:17
Speaker
Also, I love Whitney Houston, by the way. RIP. miss you, queen. Fucking legend. We are going to make fun of you, though, sometimes. We do love you, but also you did some silly things that we're going to make fun of.
00:16:27
Speaker
Which i I would expect you her to do the same for us. If she knew us and we did some crazy shit, I would expect her to also tease us about Who are we talking about? We have done some crazy shit. We've been putting in this podcast out for 230 episodes.
00:16:42
Speaker
Whitney Houston, where are you at? Come yeah come do a roast of us. She did, dude.
Critique of nonsensical plot elements
00:16:47
Speaker
Postpartum roast. I know she did, Steve. Postmortem, not postpartum. That's a totally different thing. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're related.
00:16:55
Speaker
One's at the beginning, one's at the end. i Okay, in that sense, they are related. they look you the fuck are those related? But no, you tied it together brilliantly. Well done. I did. think Maybe we could get Bobby Brown.
00:17:08
Speaker
but alive right Maybe we could get Millie Bobby Brown and then just like act really confused that she's not Bobby Brown. but like Mr. Brown, you look so different.
00:17:21
Speaker
Somebody sometimes has to have done that by now. But you know what? That's your prerogative.
00:17:30
Speaker
I'll let that one air out for a second. No, that was fucking great. That was fan yourselves off. 10 comedy points. That was amazing. Well done.
00:17:40
Speaker
Fucking incredible. Oh God. What a joke. You know what? Better than any joke in this movie. Although I will Tucker, I'm only human. I am. But a man. Every time that, that assistant at the blind camp took a shot to the nuts, I laughed.
00:17:56
Speaker
There's something inherently funny about getting kicked in the nuts. Yeah. Every time that guy took a shot to the nuts, which happened at least twice. i like I will. I will tell you that ah there is one particular comedy set piece in this.
00:18:10
Speaker
Well, not really a set piece, but just a joke that I do appreciate quite a bit. I do like the tattoo gag. That was the gag that got Ashton Kutcher on board with this movie, apparently. Like, he thought that it was profoundly stupid, and he got to the tattoo gag.
00:18:25
Speaker
The tattoo gag feels like an a like an ancestor, or like, and not an ancestor, a descent. It's who's on first, man. who's on first, 100%. Yes, absolutely. And it they they do it really well. It doesn't go on too long. Almost goes on too long.
00:18:39
Speaker
Almost. It comes so fucking close. It's not a little long for me, I'll say. I love how heated they get. Mm-hmm. Because they're just so stupid that they can't understand that they're both trying to make the other person understand the same thing.
00:19:00
Speaker
Yes. Like, they're angry at each other because they're both misunderstanding each other in the same exact way. They also took, other than Shibby Carr, the two most common words in their respective vocabularies and tattooed them on each other's backs.
00:19:17
Speaker
Yeah. this This movie also is a weird forebear to The Hangover. Yeah, it kind of takes that, ah the main premise, sort of.
00:19:29
Speaker
It's not half as good as The Hangover. Like, the original Hangover was really phenomenal. They drove it into the ground with the next two films. But that first Hangover movie is really solid.
00:19:41
Speaker
But this movie, if I had seen this movie first, I'd have walked out of The Hangover going, well, they just ripped off Dude, Where's My Car?
Personal history and group viewing experience
00:19:47
Speaker
had a little... little bit. in It definitely, i feel like it's it's it's definitely more well done and better actualized. It's more grounded.
00:19:58
Speaker
It's more grounded. The fucking, I called that the Rubik's Cube was the thing they were looking for the whole movie. Oh, you had never seen this, Steven. This is my first time.
00:20:10
Speaker
Oh, This is my first time. I did not, in 2000, I would have been in high school under the the parentage of my very strict, very religious parents.
00:20:23
Speaker
So this movie, even if I had wanted to see it as a teenager, which to be clear, I did not. No. I would not have been allowed to see this movie. Oh, yeah. Well, while we're talking about our histories with this movie, I might as well share mine. might as well.
00:20:38
Speaker
I'll tell you what. I saw this shortly after it came out. um I think we rented it at my first apartment. And we watched it.
00:20:49
Speaker
And it was fine. Okay. um I had a lot of people there when we watched it. Some people were kind of into it. Nobody really liked it that much. But the fact that there were...
00:21:02
Speaker
ah Probably 10, 15 people there made it a little more enjoyable because you could talk shit about it. I was going to say it eventually becomes, ah you know, you're roasting it a la MST3K at some point, right?
00:21:15
Speaker
Kind of a little bit. Yeah. But I've never been particularly mad at this movie. I've seen it. This is probably my fourth time seeing it. Since it came out.
00:21:27
Speaker
Mm hmm. Because I saw it when we rented it. And then i had a friend when I was in the military that really liked this movie. So he watched it quite a bit. It was one of the only DVDs he had. And there was no streaming in those days.
00:21:39
Speaker
So I caught clips
Nostalgia for pre-streaming media consumption
00:21:41
Speaker
of it all the time. Kids today will never understand. Will never understand the whole world at your fucking fingertips. Right. Back in the day, you were just in your room with the shit you had.
00:21:50
Speaker
i had to try to explain that concept to my 22-year-old coworker the other day. So wild. Just the idea, the the fact that I know about cartoons that existed before I was born has everything to do with the fact that A, I had cable, and B, I watched whatever the fuck was on to keep myself entertained.
00:22:09
Speaker
Like, that is why I know about the Alvin show from the 1960s. And that's why pop culture is worthless now. Because everybody watches everything. Instead of, like, hearing about something, checking it out, doing the legwork.
00:22:26
Speaker
you know, going to the library and getting it or watching it on cable and following up and figuring out what else there is. It's just all there and you can just, well you don't have to have any interest in anything. It's all right. It's all right there.
00:22:38
Speaker
I wait for the word of mouth. That is me. if If something's got good buzz, I will go see it. I try to be a little more discerning and not just watch whatever the fuck is on anymore. Because everything's fucking on all the time. Everything's on all the time. It used to take effort.
00:22:52
Speaker
And like I am against you know putting effort into a lot of things. But not zobbies like hobbies. that's us The fun part is putting the effort into hobbies. Yes, the fun part is...
00:23:04
Speaker
putting, reserving it at the library and waiting for that VHS tape of day of the dead for like two months. and like, oh man, Ooh, it's finally going to happen. It's going to go down. And then you get that call from the library and you're like, mom, we got to go now. We got to go now.
00:23:21
Speaker
We got to go right now. Right across town to the library.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, man. Kids don't know how good they got it. Actually, no how good we had it Fuck them kids. Fuck them kids. But yeah, anyway, so um this time that I watched it, I think... So this is your third time?
00:23:45
Speaker
Fourth time. Fourth time. I would say, because all the times that it was on, I never really sat down and watched it, but it was on enough that it counts as a full time. Sure.
00:23:56
Speaker
I've never really... I just don't care about this movie. Like, I don't care enough about it to be mad about how bad it is.
Ignorance vs. malice in comedy
00:24:04
Speaker
I just don't give be worried if you did, honestly. Like, again, and again, I understand people having a dog in the fight for this. like Like, our trans friends ah being... I absolutely understand why you would should be pissed off at this movie.
00:24:19
Speaker
And honestly, those are the worst fucking parts of this movie. Yeah. um ah is the just like the Ace Ventura levels of transphobia in this movie. Well, see, that's that's the thing is I think you can sort of get...
00:24:35
Speaker
a sense of the intention of a lot of these things back then. And for me, at least it's easy for me to tell, at least speculate whether something is ignorance or it's, it's being malicious. And this, the stuff in this film just feels a little too mean spirited.
00:24:58
Speaker
Like even for me, like Ace Ventura, like how, Is it wrong? Yes. But it doesn't seem like the filmmakers were like, fuck trans people. They were like, oh, it'd be funny if if the the the the bad guy was a girl, but she had a dick. That'd be fun.
00:25:14
Speaker
It it feels a little malicious, particularly at the end where he's like for a wild yes and exposing. oh yeah. And then everyone starts kind of like dry heaving and throwing up because they all made out with her.
00:25:28
Speaker
Right, but still, and it's the same, they do the same fucking thing in this movie where he kisses. I get it, you're right. I haven't seen Ace Ventura in a long time, so yeah, you're right. I haven't either, but I remember that.
00:25:40
Speaker
if If I have to conflate it to something, it's it's more like the homophobia in early Kevin Smith films. And we do get a ah fucking F-slur in this movie, too. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:55
Speaker
Which is also like just out of nowhere and completely uncalled for. um I mean, there's no place where that slur is ever called for, to be clear.
00:26:06
Speaker
But like it just out of nowhere, you're just like, well, I'm not the one who called Dalai Lama. And I'm just like, what the fuck are we doing? Like in it, that's something that even like that keeps the the Bill and Ted, the original Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure from being like,
00:26:21
Speaker
ah a perfect movie for me is that the fact that they hug each other and then drop that, drop that F slur. And I'm just like, why are we why the fuck are we doing?
00:26:33
Speaker
That's another instance where I would say that that feels more innocent because I think there is a natural, and natural disgust.
00:26:45
Speaker
And I would say this is true for queer people as well. Queer people don't want to be called straight because they're not fucking straight. And i think I think it's the same. Like straight people don't want to be called gay because they're not gay.
00:27:02
Speaker
And I think that... There's there's an institutionalized homophobia... I'm getting there. Okay, okay. I'm getting there. I'm saying that is that is the foundation of why...
00:27:15
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You would... Like, if a friend of mine, a male friend of mine that knew I was straight, and
Lack of satirical intent in movie's humor
00:27:27
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they, like, came on to me and tried to, like, do something physical with me, I would not appreciate that. I think that's the root...
00:27:39
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of that i It's another thing with like... um When i talked about Z-Rock, the series Z-Rock... um
00:27:49
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Where all of those guys... I guarantee you none of them would say that shit now. Because it was... It felt like ignorance. Innocent ignorance.
00:28:01
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And that for me... The Bill and Ted... That just, it just seems like ignorance. Ace Ventura, I'll give you that one. That's fucked up. That's malicious. The shit in this is borderline and it crosses the border a few times. first i I am the the only saving grace, if if you can even fucking call it that, is that it is not the bulk of the plot of the movie, the way that it becomes in Ace Ventura.
00:28:33
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and it is It is a weird fucking plot point along with seven other weird fucking plot points in this There's no reason for it to be there it' except to make a joke ex out of trans people.
00:28:48
Speaker
Which is deplorable and disgusting. Yes. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Like, again, we We love our our queer and trans allies, like our but our queer and trans friends, and we we try to be allies in as in as many ways as we're able.
00:29:08
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um Now, I will admit that I do have some hot takes. Sure. Because as much of an ally as I am, as much as I love everybody and want everybody to do their thing, like, I'm old and I don't understand all of it, so I'm a little clumsy sometimes. Yeah.
00:29:26
Speaker
But I guarantee you, I am never malicious. I am never this movie. Right. I promised you This movie absolutely is. And again, it's the just the phrase gender-challenged man...
00:29:42
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feels really gross to me. Now I might get some, go ahead, Steve. I'm sorry. I'm just saying that's how she refers to herself initially in the film. I'm a gender challenged man. I just, that, that, that really kind of just repulsed me.
00:29:56
Speaker
I'm not going lie. I guess. And this might be a hot take and this, I hope this doesn't upset anyone, but I think the, wars goingnna get Ashton Kutcher canceled today.
00:30:08
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No, the worst part about it, is it's not funny.
Asian stereotypes in the film and personal experiences
00:30:15
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Like, I think comedy... Comedy lets you do satire. Comedy lets you make fun of something by presenting it in a an honest way.
00:30:28
Speaker
Right. That is why But this is not even funny. That's the worst. This isn't satire. It's not even trying to satire. Offend me as much as you want. Offend anybody you want as much as you want.
00:30:40
Speaker
Just at least make it funny, man. Exactly. At least make it funny. But this movie can't bother to make almost anything. no they it like the like There's a difference, I think, between that what this movie is doing with trans people and what like something like Tropic Thunder is doing with ah blackface.
00:31:03
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Like that is the point. And ableism. I mean, the ableism, I have less, I have less, i I'm able to forgive the ableism less than I am the blackface.
00:31:15
Speaker
i think the I think that's fantastic. Sounds fucking weird coming from a- You know, you know, exactly what they're calling out. They're calling out Sean Penn.
00:31:25
Speaker
A hundred percent. Fucking I am Sam. And also, but also... That movie pissed me the fuck off. Yes, as it should. And so, Tropic Thunder... they can like be as silly as they want portraying a developmentally disabled person because love they're taking the piss out of someone who did it earnestly and fucking failed to an offensive degree.
00:31:50
Speaker
Exactly. But, and again, it's the, it's the black face that we saw from, from Hollywood stars coming up, like Al Jolson, even my beloved Orson Welles did blackface for Othello. he did Like,
00:32:01
Speaker
Probably did, yeah. Yeah, which is a thing that my my my trans friend Hope and I are going to have to reckon with in a few years when we get to that movie in our new podcast, which we'll talk about later in this episode.
00:32:12
Speaker
Ooh, you know what? You guys do that, and on Disenfranchised, we'll do Bamboozled. We'll do, like, a theme week. Was Bamboozled supposed to get a sequel? Because... I kind of wish it. Spoilers.
00:32:25
Speaker
Spoilers. They kind of die at the end. Like everybody dies at the end of Baboozled. It's snow like Janet Pinkett Smith is like the only person who doesn't die at the end of that fucking movie. Weirdly. Oh, oh, Michael Rappaport.
00:32:37
Speaker
Michael Rappaport doesn't die. He's another guy that doesn't die. Michael Rappaport doesn't die, Steven. That is not a bad Michael Rappaport. I'm not going lie. you. Thank you. It's pretty all right. I've seen Copland a million times.
00:32:50
Speaker
It shows. ah um But like like Bamboozled and Tropic Thunder are doing something legitimately satirical. Like they are legitimately poking fun at the institutions that create these offensive things versus something like...
00:33:11
Speaker
This movie, which feels like it is punching down constantly, and it's not even high enough to punch down at anybody, so it's taking pot shots at people that it feels are weak. Like, there's fucking Asian racism all over this fucking movie.
00:33:30
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Like, there there is a The recurring and then gag. yeah My partner and I were watching this movie this afternoon. She decided to get stoned and watch this movie with me. I did not get stoned during the movie. I was like, I've got to record a podcast. I'm going to take my edible right before I start recording and then just wait for it to kick in during the episode so I can be in the right headspace and talk about this thing.
00:33:53
Speaker
But she took her edible before and
Speculating a dark sequel to the movie
00:33:55
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she was like, I had an Asian friend whose parents owned a Chinese restaurant in my small town and everybody kept asking her and then, and she would always have to respond. No, no. And then, and she's like, even the creepy choir teacher did it.
00:34:12
Speaker
I'm so sorry. I laughed at that, but that was really funny. And I was like, that's really terrible that she had to deal with that. Like, I was like legitimately, and she goes, she really took it in stride. And I was like, what other recourse does she fucking have but to take in stride? Like, even the teachers are doing it to you.
00:34:29
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like That's terrible, but also really funny. Oh, that is awful. I can't.
00:34:39
Speaker
Again, let me just say- All this racism is killing me inside, Steven. Tucker is getting Ashton Kutcher canceled tonight. so No, no. Which I think is the reason why, despite the fact that a script exists for a sequel to this movie, and both of the lead stars have expressed an interest in doing a sequel to this movie, Ashton Kutcher's recent cancellation is the reason why we will never see a sequel to this movie.
00:35:05
Speaker
I'd actually be interested to see ah sequel to this. Not because I think it would be good, but because, especially if it's if it's now.
00:35:17
Speaker
Like, if they did it 20 years later. Like, what would that even look like? it Because you you look at, again, stoner-coded characters that never smoke pot. Like, that's Bill and Ted. 100%, that's Bill and Ted.
00:35:30
Speaker
But then you get, like, with Bill and Ted... you get that legacy sequel and they have kids. well And that's the thing is they do their characters change.
00:35:43
Speaker
Right. But like, they're still essentially the same guys, but they're old. The, the backstory that we had for them though. And again, this, I think that the Bill and Ted, the first two Bill and Ted films do a great job of establishing enough of the lore of that character.
00:36:01
Speaker
franchise that there's an expectation for where they're going to be. And the the, the whole notion of they're supposed to save the world and they didn't is really fucking compelling.
00:36:13
Speaker
That's such a compelling idea because that is every like gifted kid who grew up, who was supposed to be like really special and change the world. And then just like like,
00:36:25
Speaker
to use my own example here, working in a fucking call center. Like, you know, like I was, I was a gifted kid. i showed so much promise as a youngster. Oh dude. me And now I'm, I'm taking customer service calls. Like,
00:36:42
Speaker
I'm a happy loser, Steven. I'm a happy loser. I've come to terms with it a long time ago. And like I'm alright with it. I mean, I'm totally okay with where I am. I think I'm gonna be okay. There's this song by a musical group called Mob Rich, formerly Moby Rich.
00:36:59
Speaker
It's called Loser, and it was, um speaking of ah buddy movie buddy duos that are stoners and really stupid, it was part of the soundtrack of Jay and Silent Bob Reboot.
00:37:14
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It's called Loser, and it's a really good song. for For someone who ah is not ashamed to identify as a bit of a loser, it's kind of an anthem.
00:37:28
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You should check it out. Everybody should check it out. It's catchy song. Plus, ah if you ever feel like you know everybody everybody's an adult and you're just kind of farting around from minimum wage job minimum wage job, floating around, not really having a plan, just doing your thing, that's a song for you.
00:37:46
Speaker
it's a you know In the chorus, they say, hey, I'm a loser, but I think I'm going to be okay.
00:37:53
Speaker
think going be okay. And I mean, yeah. think going to be all right. But like, there's this element of that to those characters that I don't think would translate to Jesse and Chester, the two leads of this film.
00:38:09
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Well, and that's what would be so entry it interesting to see. Because I think, though, these characters are not as innocent as, say, your Bill and Ted or your Jay and Silent Bob, they still have enough... Even your Venus and Butthead, honestly.
00:38:30
Speaker
They still have enough wholesomeness and kind of love for each other, I guess, that I would be interested to see how that evolves. Who they become in in The way we are today. Like ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.
00:38:47
Speaker
Guys, what do you got? Right. Let's see it.
SNL hosting and appealing comedic elements
00:38:51
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I'd be interested to see what they come up with. I don't say I'd like it. I don't think I'd like it, but I would totally watch it day one. Sean William Scott did an an interview with Forbes where he basically said he wanted he he still wanted to do a sequel back in 2017 and that he wanted it to be rated R and quote dark and really weird.
00:39:11
Speaker
And I don't know what a dark sequel to this movie looks like. No, no, that I want to see it. What you do is you take this and you cross it with very bad things. You ever see very bad things, Steven?
00:39:23
Speaker
I have still not. That's an. That's one of the darkest Peter Berg, right? I think so. First movie. Marky Marky Mark's go to guy, Peter Berg.
00:39:34
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One of the pitch, most pitch black comedies I have ever seen that remain that that keeps you there because it's funny. Like it just keeps getting more and more fucked up. And you're like, I should really turn this off.
00:39:47
Speaker
But I can't because it's so hilarious. I don't know what I'm doing. I've never been in this situation before. i don't know what to do. Should I call the police? To be clear. looking at a I love a dark comedy. Like Death to Smoochie. Pitch black. is is I would say Death to Smoochie is pretty fucking dark.
00:40:05
Speaker
But I think that movie is ah Danny DeVito's masterpiece. Yeah. I'm going to say, no, and love I love Death to Smoochie as well. I think it's really, really good. And it does a really good job of balancing the the dark humor and not getting too dark, but still getting really, really fucking dark.
00:40:21
Speaker
ah Very Bad Things is like the Requiem for a Dream of comedies. Oh, God. Where you're like, holy fuck. Like, the whole movie is so dismal and just awful.
00:40:34
Speaker
But it's also really clever and funny. Every awful thing that happens has you both doubling over in laughter and like putting your head in your hands because you're ashamed that you're still watching this movie.
00:40:48
Speaker
Right. I mean, it's got a great cast. Oh, and so good. Daniel Stern, Christian Slater, Cameron Diaz, fucking what's his nuts from Entourage and all those early John Cusack movies. um What's that guy's name?
00:41:02
Speaker
you know, 10 years, 10 years. Jeremy Piven. Piven. Yeah, there you go. Dream trip, Gene Triplehorn, Leland fucking Orser. I love that guy. It's Cameron Diaz, Jon Favreau, Daniel Stern.
00:41:15
Speaker
um At that point, we're getting into people I don't know very well. But yeah. So just just to ah what the trailer reveals and what is basically the the start of this movie is these dudes are having a bachelor party and they accidentally kill the stripper.
00:41:33
Speaker
Right. In a way to where first they mortally wound her. hmm.
00:41:41
Speaker
But no, I'm sorry. She dies instantly. But then the cop that checks on them mortally wounds himself. And they just have to sit outside the bathroom door all with their backs against it.
00:41:55
Speaker
Just listening to this man die. Yeah. This is a fucked up movie. But it's also one of the funniest movies I've ever seen in my life. I don't know how they do it. I don't know how it shouldn't exist.
00:42:06
Speaker
Written and directed by Peter Berg. I will tell you why it exists, Tucker. He's a madman. i will tell you why it exists, Tucker. It was 1998 there was a mountain of cocaine.
00:42:19
Speaker
yes you Speaking of cocaine, Stephen, do you remember, um ah I'm really bad at saying her first name, the girl from Abbott Elementary, Quinta?
00:42:32
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Quinta. Okay, so she's going to be on SNL. Oh. And so this week, like, when I'm done here, I will be watching SNL as it airs. As you are wont to do.
00:42:44
Speaker
Which is why we tend to want to schedule these earlier in the evening on Saturday. When it's a Saturday, I got a heart out at 1125. You sure do. um So she's hosting this week.
00:42:55
Speaker
And Walton Goggins is next week, Steven. I love that man. I'm so glad he's finally hosting. I've been waiting the last couple years. The series finale of Righteous Gemstones is tomorrow night as of the day of the recording.
00:43:10
Speaker
know, I'm so excited. i I both cannot wait and do not want to watch it because I know that as soon as I watch it's going to over. And I don't want this show to be over. I've seen Vice Principals.
00:43:21
Speaker
like Principals. can watch it again. I'll probably watch it again. That's my favorite out of all of them. I will try to find a new show. you You yourself have tried to get me to watch so many shows that I haven't started yet.
Favorite and engaging podcasts discussion
00:43:32
Speaker
ah You gave me so much shit during the last What Are We Watching? which we recorded a new What Are We Watching? It is up on our Patreon right now. Patreon.com. It's on the Patreon.com.
00:43:42
Speaker
um like you gave me so much shit for not watching shows and you're wanting me to rewatch something like how fucking dare you Jean Smart man come on Jean Smart I don't know how much time we have left with her so watch Hacks I mean she's spry for like 73 74 she was born in 1951 why do I know when Jean Smart was born i don't know dude weird I just work here love that woman She's great.
00:44:12
Speaker
Anyway, the reason I brought it up was because ah you spoke of cocaine. sure And the first time that Quinta, am I saying it right, Quinta, again? i think it's Quinta Bronson. Quinta? Okay. I think it's Quinta.
00:44:25
Speaker
Okay. i've I've heard it a couple different ways. That's why I'm hesitant. But anyway, she hosted for the first time two years ago, and there was a specific sketch that where Andrew does mucs and fucking what's, um, what's the guy?
00:44:46
Speaker
I'm going to correct myself. It is key. It is Keenta Brunson. According to Google. Fuck yeah. Well, anyway, there's two dudes in a bathroom at a club and they want cocaine.
00:44:59
Speaker
And like gradually four or five different cocaine dealers come out and offer them cocaine. And the way that they try to tell them that their cocaine is better than the other person's is how white it is.
00:45:13
Speaker
It starts out very innocent. You know, like this, this cocaine is so pure. It's like a, a bunny ah doing a snow angel in a cloud. But then you get to like, yo, it's like Gwyneth Paltrow skiing in Utah.
00:45:27
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like
00:45:30
Speaker
And it just progressively gets worse. It's like Adam Driver sitting in a KKK meeting recommending Connecticut.
00:45:41
Speaker
There's so many, like I rewatched a lot of the sketches from that episode because I just couldn't wait. Sure. ah Because I love SNL and I love, yeah I love Quinta. I love Abbott Elementary and all that stuff.
00:45:53
Speaker
um So I watched a lot of those sketches and there are shockingly, there are at least two where she is a man.
00:46:05
Speaker
And I think, and she, wow. Like, she's got, you wouldn't think, cause she's a smaller woman, you're like, oh, a petite woman. You know, that's very feminine. But no, she plays a short king, like, really convincingly. I love that for her. Like, in the bathroom sketch, when she's a cocaine dealer, she has, like, a little soul patch and some dreads.
00:46:30
Speaker
And then like there's another one where she's balding. She has a mustache. Some really good stuff. I would recommend... i don't know if I can recommend tonight's episode. I'm going to go ahead and say I probably can.
00:46:43
Speaker
Soft recommend it? Because she's she's one of those guests that you can tell she's... really involved in the writing process. There's some guests where just like, okay, what do you want me to do? I'll do it.
00:46:55
Speaker
And there are others who are like, okay, I got this idea. I got that idea. I'm gonna write this with you. I'm gonna write that with you. You know, they're staying up until 4 a.m. on Wednesday writing with everybody else. Right. I mean, she is the creator of Abbott Elementary, which means she is a vital part of the writing of that show.
00:47:13
Speaker
do yeah So, I mean, she she is a writer. Like, that's a big part of what she does. So that makes sense. And I get excited when people like that come on the show these days because I don't think... I think we're kind of experiencing a period of time where the shift from old cast to new...
00:47:37
Speaker
so many people left and so many people came on sort of in the same couple years, like the voice of the show is kind of up in the air. It's what, what we would, what people in sports would call a transition year.
00:47:51
Speaker
Couple years, uh, a transition period. And not that there haven't been some bangers. It's just you can tell that the writer's room is trying to find their voice and the cast is trying to do the same thing at the same time.
00:48:05
Speaker
And every once in while they hit it. Right. Most of the time it's fine. Sometimes it's not good. But sometimes they hit it. And I'm excited for them to really find their their groove. I just hope too many people don't like leave before then because like You don't realize how many years Andrew Dismukes has been on that show.
00:48:29
Speaker
Still seems like a new cast member. Motherfucker's been on there for at least five years. That's the problem. at least he's He's a veteran and they don't know how to use him.
00:48:40
Speaker
And Mikey Day still just hanging out. What are you doing, Mikey Day? Come man. Go do something else. I feel like in some ways the biggest auteur voices on that show are Eggo, Heidi, and Bowen. And Sarah Sherman. And Sarah Sherman.
00:48:56
Speaker
Yeah. but i would say I would say Bowen and Sarah Sherman. The other two, yes, but not... Those two for me are at the top. Those are the two biggest, loudest voices of the show right now. 100%. but there ah there will be whole episodes where Bowen does very little.
00:49:13
Speaker
Yeah. And whereas think... Well, you know, he'd be in movies and shit. That's true. Every time he's in a movie. wicked Right. And his podcast got like, they have her an award show that was on Bravo.
00:49:29
Speaker
like So he's doing a lot of
Personal life updates and upcoming changes
00:49:30
Speaker
other shit too. I first knew Bowen as a podcaster because he- Oh, Coltristas. Yeah, Las Coltristas. Because he and his co-host on that show guest starred on my favorite podcast- Blank check with Griffin and David. i'm Dude, I love those guys so much.
00:49:46
Speaker
I don't know Blank check, but I know those other guys. And they were, they guessed it on the, um, uh, the Brokeback Mountain episode, which was a hilarious episode. Oh, but if I ever use the word erasure, I am quoting Bo and Yang on that episode.
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah. But he has come back to do a couple more episodes of Blank Check. And I think Blank Check is my favorite podcast of all time. I love that podcast. I do. love favorite It is my favorite.
00:50:12
Speaker
um I was listening to them just the other day when I was out driving around ah to and from rehearsal for the play that I'm in If you're in the Chicagoland area, see Sylvia at the Drama Group in Chicago Heights in June, early June, first two weeks in June.
00:50:27
Speaker
Stephen's going to play, you guys. Go see I'm going to play. If you're in the Chicagoland area, come down and see us. You've got to see it because I won't be able to. That's true. You won't. I'm about two weeks out. i was going to say, you're going packing your life into boxes around that time, so man You can't convince them to like hold off for a couple weeks just for me.
00:50:45
Speaker
No, man. can They haven't met me though. Maybe I should record like a video for them um so they can like. I can pass it along. um But I know they're going to start rehearsals for Matilda the Musical like right after we're done. so Who are you going to be in that?
00:51:00
Speaker
I'm not. All right, fair. if i If I were to have auditioned, if I hadn't gotten a role in this show, I might have auditioned for it, and I would, of course, be going for the Danny DeVito role. was say, didn't he direct it? Couldn't you just direct it?
00:51:13
Speaker
You're Danny DeVito enough. You could just direct it. No, they have a director already set up, so...
00:51:21
Speaker
But yeah, I'm in a play. So my my antenna play. but So if I am if I am more like earlier this year, I was moving. Now I'm in a play. So if there are a couple of weeks where I'm just like strangely and mysteriously not here, um that is why.
00:51:40
Speaker
What Steven's saying is there, there may be, we might be adding to the rewind. Yeah. There may be some more lines coming up soon. this Summer. Yeah.
00:51:50
Speaker
Yeah. ah Particularly because I'll be doing my play right around the time when you're honestly, we may just block off the entire month of June as rewinds. I don't want to do that. And we've got shit on the schedule for June and guests lined up, but if we can't, if we can't schedule it, then we may, we may be in some trouble.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do need to talk about scheduling after this episode, by the way. Absolutely. I'd say me and Brett could do it, but.
00:52:20
Speaker
It's kind of hard to get to get Brett on here. It is for for various reasons. Yeah, completely just and all completely legitimate. Like, believe me, Brett, Brett would like to be here if
Value of gag reels in comedies
00:52:33
Speaker
he could be. But he I would say out of the three of us, he probably would like to be here the least, but he still would like to be here.
00:52:44
Speaker
Man's got a lot going on in his life right now. And I will not get any further into it than that. ah But we love him and he's always welcome. And he is a pivotal, core, essential, original part of this podcast.
00:52:57
Speaker
And hashtag never forget.
00:53:03
Speaker
He's a he's part of the foundation, dude. He's like a load bearing beam. Of this podcast. Exactly. there through Look, when we do something on Disenfranchise, there are three keys that need to turn and he holds one of them. so That's true.
00:53:18
Speaker
that's true He's like the wire when they when they like make concrete walls and shit. They shape it with like the metal wires and shit. He's the metal wires.
00:53:29
Speaker
Absolutely. You're the concrete and i'm I'm the rain that puddles up before they put a roof on. Do not sell yourself short, sir.
00:53:40
Speaker
um At all. Hey, those puddles are fun to splash around in. I'm just saying. You're still holding the key is what I'm saying. um Anyway, dude, where's my car?
00:53:53
Speaker
Where's your car, dude? I don't know, dude. Where's my car? That's as far as I'm willing to go. Okay. Because this movie is willing to go so much further. I feel like in in some ways this movie feels like repetition for the sake of itself is funny.
00:54:10
Speaker
And it's not actually. That's the thing about this movie is like, here's where I'm conflicted. I don't like this movie. I don't enjoy watching it.
00:54:23
Speaker
But it's also very evident that, boy, they just had a silly time making this. Can imagine how much fun this was to make?
00:54:35
Speaker
There's nothing in this movie that's serious. that's There's nothing. You're just having a silly time. And, look, this is a half a star for me. When we get to the rating, I'll come back to that. But a half a star for me is that gag reel in the credits.
00:54:50
Speaker
You do like a gag reel in the credits. Any comedy is made so much better if you have the gag reel in the credits. This is... this is um really the foundation of this is Puditang for, I mean, they've been doing it for years. I'm just saying for me, like my frame of reference is Puditang. It's one of the best bloopers in the credits that you're going to get.
00:55:17
Speaker
Yeah. ah But a lot of comedies do it. Any comedy that does it like you've at least, I'm going to least watch it once. Cause I want to see those bloopers.
Christopher Guest's comedic genius and mockumentaries
00:55:26
Speaker
any like The stuff with Sean William Scott can continually fucking up his line, that was fucking gold.
00:55:34
Speaker
And the like you could tell he's starting to lose it by the last one. And you could tell there's probably like 15 more they could have put in, but those are the three funniest. Like... Look, gag reels on comedies are something special because any gag reel is fun. you get a Marvel movie gag reel. That's fun.
00:55:53
Speaker
Sure. You get a horror movie gag reel. Fucking hilarious. Absolutely. Any genre is great with a gag reel. um But in comedy, everybody on that set is already doing their best not to laugh.
00:56:06
Speaker
Right. So when the floodgates open, yeah huh the laughter on a comedy set when somebody breaks is just, it's so pure. It's like,
00:56:18
Speaker
um yeah it fulfills me. It nourishes me. Gag real laughter on a comedy. It nourishes my soul. Fair. So much pent up laughter.
00:56:31
Speaker
Like you imagine even on something like this, like I can imagine this was probably a movie that was funnier to film than it is to watch. Yeah. So like as that crew, you're like, I gotta be quiet. They're doing a funny thing, but I gotta be quiet.
00:56:45
Speaker
But they break or like something's fucked up. Permission. Let it go. How long have you been holding that in? Right. Let it go. It's it's medicine, baby. It's medicine.
00:56:58
Speaker
Laughter is the best medicine. Gag real laughter on a comedy. Ooh, the best medicine. You hear that crew laugh? Mm hmm. Thinking about it just now is making me feel fulfilled, Stephen.
00:57:10
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For me, it's it's those moments that manage to stay in the movie, but they're such a hard cut because the crew immediately starts laughing at the end of the take. Like you've seen the comedies, you can you can tell. You're like, oh, yeah, they had to. Any any quick cut.
00:57:26
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Like my two favorites are the Gene Hackman, I was going to make espresso, and Young Frankenstein. Not a film I enjoy, but yes. yeah that ah That moment is wonderful.
00:57:37
Speaker
And then the you're not a Mel Brooks fan, which we should just clear the air there. Love the man. I'm sure he's a great dude. right Everybody loves him. So apparently I'm the weird one. I'll, I'll take, I'll be the weird one on that.
00:57:50
Speaker
You'll take the L. um And then the second one that I absolutely adore is in the movie, a mighty wind where Bob Balaban is like, just like this kind of like nervous purpose, like just kind of like, and then Michael Hitchcock is trying to like calm him down. And at one point he like just goes too far and Michael Hitchcock just slaps him on the top of his bald head.
00:58:13
Speaker
And there's a hard, hard cut after that. And it's because the crew immediately lost their shit. This is what I want. I want a theatrical presentation that is just the combined gag reels from every Christopher Guest-related mockumentary ever made. Oh god.
00:58:35
Speaker
I think you'd have to have an intermission because you'd have to, like, rest your stomach. I mean, there are a few movies there probably wouldn't be a lot of of of ah of that stuff in. Like, um I will say probably Almost Heroes, The Big Picture.
00:58:51
Speaker
ah and and i said the mockumentary ones. theary In that case, then Fucking ma Mascots. That movie is... Yeah, I didn't see that. I thought that was a show. Nope.
00:59:01
Speaker
It's a movie. It's on Netflix. It's not good. I did all the Christopher gets during the pandemic. And i will say mascots is the worst one by a, by a mile.
00:59:12
Speaker
Might've been some good, ga some good bloopers though. may have been i don't know it the movie wasn't good so i can't imagine the bloopers would have been but but yeah give me some spinal tap best in show waiting for guffman fred willard's stuff best in show and give me all those guys particular feel like there was a lot of there are there are a few cuts in a mighty wind that are just ah again a little too quick um Because of Fred Willard being Fred Willard and in such a maniacally twisted way.
00:59:46
Speaker
Yo, are we going to a disenfranchised at the movies for Spinal Tap 2? You know, it's coming. Like, theatrically released. I know. Spinal Tap sequel is coming.
00:59:57
Speaker
Like, why? Not Phantom Events. Or Fathom Events, you know? It's it's like an actual movie that's going to be in actual theaters. I love Spinal Tap. I have seen all of their... I trust every one of those guys, too.
01:00:11
Speaker
Yeah. They wouldn't just fucking half ass some shit. Oh yeah. No, like Michael McKeon, that guy does the work. Harry Shearer is too like fastidious and persnickety to, to not do what he's supposed to do.
01:00:26
Speaker
I mean, the man doesn't even show up for like episodes of the Simpsons. He thinks are bad. Like the family guy crossover. He just like said, fuck you. No way. Yeah. out of here For that one. Like everyone else did their, did their shit.
01:00:40
Speaker
But like there's no you'll notice there are no Harry Shearer characters in that episode at all. I don't blame him. Love you, Seth MacFarlane. Just don't like any of the things you do except for the Orville and your music.
01:00:55
Speaker
You heard an interview with that guy? like We would be friends. We would have a lot of fun together. Anyway, continue. no but And then Christopher Gask just love that man. Especially you get him with those two guys?
01:01:07
Speaker
Fuck. Like the, the, the reason why ah mighty wind is like a top two or three. I struggle because of waiting for Guffman, ah but best in shows probably number one, but a mighty wind is the first Christopher guest film I ever saw.
01:01:24
Speaker
But then it's, it's literally him just paired with Michael McKeon and Harry Shearer again, as the, as the guys who used to open for spinal tap, I get booed off the stage every night.
01:01:35
Speaker
when they were touring as Spinal Tap in the 80s. Side note, because I don't want to do it here, I want to stretch it out to at least an hour on a Patreon episode. Top five mockumentaries involving, you know, all of those people.
01:01:50
Speaker
only reason I say it that way is they're all Christopher Guest movies except for Spinal Tap. Which is a Rob Reiner film. Top five Christopher Guest mockumentaries and also Spinal Tap is included.
01:02:02
Speaker
I mean, that should do that... Can we do that? We can do that. The theme song is good enough. ah It's been a while since we heard that theme song. it Oh, man. i I like... am on record as loving the the parody that you wrote for the Diss in Five Child theme song.
01:02:19
Speaker
And I'm glad that you like it because, like, trying to recreate that beat...
Vegetarianism journey and lifestyle plans
01:02:27
Speaker
So that it was at least recognizable. But being legally distained from? Back then, i was working on, at that time, it would have been 12-year-old iMac.
01:02:41
Speaker
oh with not the latest plugins for like midi and shit on my garage band i have a little midi controller this little keyboard that has like uh drum pads and probably about 20 okay has a little trim low knob like a nice keyboard but back then i didn't have i had to make sounds Like, back in those days, I couldn't just find a plugin because, like, my software was so old they didn't make plugins for it before.
01:03:16
Speaker
I had to figure out how to fake different sounds. Like, on that shit that I just sent you for your Orson Welles podcast... Which we'll talk about later in this episode. Like, I used my actual theremin.
01:03:29
Speaker
Yeah, right, which I know you have. I didn't have an actual theremin then, so... Right. On the Spookython episodes... The theme that's on the Spookython, that's me tweaking the synthesizer settings on GarageBand right and getting like something as close as I can to a theremin.
01:03:48
Speaker
I'm not kidding Steven. The Distant Five Chai's theme,
01:03:54
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it took me about two minutes to think of it. It took me about four hours um to recreate that beat. And it took me about five minutes to record the vocals.
01:04:09
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Done. Done. And I would came up with them as I was singing. Yeah. I mean, i don't want to say it shows. oh It's fantastic, though. It's a good one.
01:04:22
Speaker
It's one of my best. Yeah, i love it. i it's It's my favorite thing you've recorded for this podcast, if I may say. Dude, yeah. It's good. there's some that's the That's the hidden gem, really, of the Patreon. like You get a lot of really good content, but there are distinct theme songs.
01:04:41
Speaker
every watching Every show we have ever mentioned on this that that is up on our Patreon has a different theme song written by either Tucker or friend of the show, ah Evan jivi Jimmy, is it...
01:04:54
Speaker
Wilson. We're doing Wilson now. Evan Wilson. evan wilson A.K.A. Jimmy, but only to me. Don't call him Jimmy. don't you don't You have not earned that right. I have not earned that right.
01:05:05
Speaker
I know that whoever's listening right now has not earned that right because you're not me. I'm i the only one. You're the trigger of being able to call Evan Jimmy.
01:05:17
Speaker
That's true. oh That's true. I'm the only guy, man. I'm the only guy. Anyway, I was, I had something to say. Where were we going with that? Talking about theme songs, the, the distant five tries theme song. Oh yeah. Yeah. This was my segue into like really hardcore, hardcore promoting your new podcast, Steven.
01:05:37
Speaker
Yeah. um So, yeah i mean, I guess we could probably start wrapping up this episode. ah We don't have a lot to say about this movie. Look, it's bad. Okay. What, what, what do you want from us?
01:05:50
Speaker
It's bad, but it's not... I'm not... It's... I don't care. that's if someone asks me how I feel about this movie, i just don't give a fuck.
01:06:02
Speaker
Like, I can't be bothered to not like this movie. Sure. I don't give a fuck. It's just... Who cares? Yeah. It's just so dumb and so bad...
01:06:16
Speaker
That i can't I can't even get mad at it because it's so insignificant. Yeah. I just... It doesn't... I don't care. It's honestly... don't fucking Here's the thing.
01:06:28
Speaker
It's barely worth talking about. And I feel like we've put a lot of effort into talking about this movie. We did our... Best It's not, again, and if you like this movie And you're really looking forward to us Talking about it, I'm sorry um I'm sorry i mean we spent the whole episode Shitting on your your favorite movie No, we hit the the main points You know, it's it's Sexist, it's homophobic It's transphobic, it's ableist It's all these other things But we do enjoy the chemistry Between the two leads right It is a
01:07:08
Speaker
serviceably made film. It's, it's competent. but It's not, I'd like to, it's not a technically poorly made film. Like it's fine. It looks fine. It's, it looks like a movie is what I'm saying.
01:07:20
Speaker
It looks like a fucking movie. I mean, not, it it's ah barely a step up from, I would say a, uh, ah Hey, this guy shot Ghostbusters, Steven. So calm down.
01:07:30
Speaker
Check out the cinematographer. let's Let's deep dive into that real quick before we go crazy. because Or before we wrap this up. Because the cinematographer for this film, not only did he do Ghostbusters, but this man is kind of... He's kind of the comedy guy.
01:07:48
Speaker
From, like, his name Workphone. Robert M. Stevens.
01:07:55
Speaker
Dig that last name. He did Ghostbusters. He did Dude, Where's My Car? He did The Motherfucking Burbs. Steven.
01:08:06
Speaker
I do own that movie. Yeah. um It's so He did Cecil B. Demented for our boy John Waters. But he's still... Honestly, one of my favorites. He's still working for a guy who up to this point has pretty much only done television.
01:08:21
Speaker
He ain't working for shit anymore. He stopped in 2010. He ain't working for shit. I was going to say, the the man who would go on to give us such films as Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle, The Great Wonderful.
01:08:32
Speaker
Now, that's good. Now, this is now Harold and Kumar, I'm glad you brought that up because Harold and Kumar is this movie done right. This movie crawled so that Harold and Kumar could fucking sprint. Yeah.
01:08:48
Speaker
sure like They learned all their lessons from this movie. It's the same director, same cinematographer. They learned all their lessons from this movie. And they made a dumb movie that was also smart.
01:08:59
Speaker
Instead of a dumb movie that's dumb. That one spawned a franchise. There are three Harold and Kumar films. All three of those movies are worth watching. I've only seen the first two. I have not seen number three.
01:09:12
Speaker
I wouldn't say I love... But I like, slightly above average like, all three of those films. They're funny. the leads are great.
01:09:23
Speaker
Did ever tell you about the first time I saw Harold and Kumar? Go to White Castle? Please tell me about this, Stephen. I got a a Crave case of White Castles.
01:09:37
Speaker
Oh, them sliders, boy. No, I'm sorry. I got two sacks of 10. So I had 20 White Castles. It was, it was, what okay. The crepe case was like 40. Sliders with yeah slider switch cheese Yeah.
01:09:48
Speaker
Because that's what you do. Like you can get the bacon one or like the jalapeno one. I honestly. I feel like the base, the base level is cheese slider. I honestly, will, I will occasionally do a slider without cheese because I really like. that is It's the only restaurant I will do that at.
01:10:07
Speaker
But I really like those original sliders. i'm I'm always a cheese guy. Like, I love a cheeseburger. Cheeseburger is my favorite food of all time. Because the cheese, it really, it brings it all together. It's like the rug. like it really But at White Castle, I don't feel like they need them.
01:10:22
Speaker
Really? I feel like they're good enough without the cheese. I don't think I've ever had just a slider without cheese. Like, Stephen, I will try that just on your recommendation. Just get one. And if you don't like it, that's totally cool. But here's what I do.
01:10:35
Speaker
Here's what I will get the slider without cheese. Again, if I'm wanting to get, you know, a little saucy, I might get the ones with cheese. I don't feel like they need them, but if I want to just gild the lily, I'll do that. And then I will get just a two handfuls of the the the spicy brown mustard. Yeah. And I will put a bunch of that spicy brown mustard on each one of those. i love that. On the without cheese? with On the without cheese. Okay.
01:10:59
Speaker
Okay. That's... I did not expect that. Okay. My normal... My vegetarian White Castle order. I was going to say, because you are a vegetarian.
01:11:11
Speaker
Actually, still omni at the time. as are As of this recording, is still omni. I thought you were giving that up like, i thought that was like an imminent thing. I thought that was like beginning in the beginning of the year, you were switching back over.
01:11:24
Speaker
Steven, I mean to switch back over to veggie. It's going to happen. But the way things have played out, come money has been stretched.
01:11:38
Speaker
I'm not going to say it's been tight. It's just I've had to spend more money on things I didn't expect. Right. So I'm not like, I can't really, i wouldn't say I'm poor. Right.
01:11:57
Speaker
But I'm slightly less comfortable than i was. So living a vegetarian lifestyle is not financially... i don't want to say financially possible because I could do it.
01:12:14
Speaker
But it's not as financially viable as it was. And the fact that I've already, you know, been Omni since November. i plan to go back to being a vegetarian. Right. But I think that's going to happen once I move back to Indy. Okay.
01:12:34
Speaker
And the cost of living is significantly cheaper. It's cheaper. And now while I stay with my sister, which I will be for however long it takes me to get my own spot.
01:12:47
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I will stay omni, but I think getting getting my own place after a few months, that's kind of going to be the cutoff.
01:13:00
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Right.
01:13:03
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Okay. And while I'm enjoying myself ah with the animal products that I am currently ingesting. Sure.
Eating habits and White Castle orders
01:13:15
Speaker
I am excited to go back to veggie just because like the reason I decided to be a vegetarian in the first place is because I can't trust myself.
01:13:26
Speaker
Right. To make healthy decisions. So I figure if I take, if I take meat off the menu, that's a lot of sodium. That's a lot of cholesterol. That's a lot of fat. That's a lot of everything. That's that you don't need.
01:13:41
Speaker
Theoretically not in my diet anymore. Right. It's easier to eat healthy as a vegetarian. Now, I'll tell you, it has changed.
01:13:53
Speaker
Once Impossible and Beyond started becoming a thing, everything changed. Absolutely. Because back in the day, being a vegetarian, you get a veggie burger. That's vegetables, man.
01:14:05
Speaker
Exactly. So you're not eating some old bullshit with your veggies and condiments. You're eating some good shit with your veggies and condiments. But then... beyond and impossible as much as i appreciate them they come along and make it actually harder for vegetarians right because i don't crave that shit enough to not be vegetarian but i crave it enough to where if there's realistic vegetarian option you'll go with that i'm gonna go for it and problem is it's processed as fuck and processed all hell absolutely and
01:14:42
Speaker
It's full of sodium. It's full of cholesterol. All these shits that's trying to give me a heart attack. I'm not trying to have a heart attack, Steven. i You know what? As someone who's who's had at least one, um then we'll just leave it at that.
01:14:57
Speaker
um I can't say I recommend it. No, dude. I'm not into it. So yeah, I'm enjoying, like I say, to to to maybe bring it back to a little lighter tone.
01:15:13
Speaker
i enjoy doing the Omni shit I'm doing right now. It's good. It's fine. It's fun. What are your respective White Castle orders? Oh yeah, White Castle orders. That's what we were doing. People want to know.
01:15:28
Speaker
Your boy gets this. I get two cheese sliders, two bacon cheese sliders, one chicken ring slider.
01:15:43
Speaker
Because I'm a ring slider. I'm a bad motherfucker, Steven. You're something, all right. Okay. And then I get the eight-piece mozzarella stick.
01:15:56
Speaker
Do you get cheese on the chicken ring slider?
01:16:01
Speaker
No. I raw dog it, surprisingly. Now, you know what I would do. You put some cheese on it? no no, no. Here's what I would do. I would get yeah i would get the cheese slider a side of chicken rings, and i would put I would take a chicken ring out of my bag of chicken rings and put it on the cheese slider.
01:16:19
Speaker
That's what I would do. Here's the thing. The cheese slider, the chicken rings... That's a snack in itself. Right. You could dip a chicken ring in something and have a really good fucking time.
01:16:31
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Correct. But you don't know satisfaction
01:16:36
Speaker
until you've had two chicken rings on a slider bun. Something about that sweet, sweet bread and that processed as fuck chicken ring.
01:16:49
Speaker
one of One of the things that there's ah there's an off menu, there's a quote unquote secret menu item at McDonald's. um And I will not mention its name because its name is really ridiculous, but it consists of... it's not. It's just, I will type it in the group chat here just for you and you alone.
01:17:09
Speaker
I can't wait to see how racist it is. It's not racist. But I mean, when I tell you the makeup of the sandwich, you will see. Wait, is that the, that's the Big Mac with the chicken and the beef? and It's the double cheeseburger with the McChicken. Okay. You could do that with a Big Mac though, theoretically.
01:17:28
Speaker
In theory. In theory, communism works, but. No, I've read the manifesto. I get it. Like it sounds fantastic, but then like nobody knows how to do it. Right.
01:17:39
Speaker
But you put basically a... Fucking communism. You put a piece of chicken in between a McDouble. And I've also... Or a McChicken. Or I'm sorry, a McDouble or a double cheeseburger. I've also seen it done ah with the McChicken and two McDoubles or two double cheeseburgers.
01:17:57
Speaker
Well, and that's what you do with the Big Mac. You do the Big McChicken is what you would call it. And what that would be is a bottom bun. sauce, you know, whatever, cheese.
01:18:09
Speaker
um You got your burger. And instead of a middle bun, Steven, instead of that middle bun, you have chicken.
01:18:19
Speaker
Instead of the club level, I could see that working because i I am generally not a fan of club levels on burgers as a rule.
Secret menu items and unexpected combinations
01:18:29
Speaker
I'm generally not a fan of McDonald's, but that just sounds fascinating. Yeah. i look, I know what good is, but sometimes I can't help myself and I just need McDonald's. i I'm, I'm, I get it. I'm, I get it.
01:18:42
Speaker
I get it. Um, but, but yeah, that, that is, that's kind of one of my go-tos is, is that like the, the McDoubles and the, like, I'll do the two McDoubles and the McChicken. Uh, sometimes I eat them together. Sometimes I eat them individually, uh, and let them pound it out in my stomach. But yeah, like, um,
01:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, I'm I like that. That's kind of like one of my go to's. But the the combo of beef and chicken on the same sandwich, there's just something really, really good about it to me.
01:19:14
Speaker
Like, I don't know what it's like turducken. It kind of is Yeah. Yeah. yeah Like I dig that. So I would that's why I would think the the the chicken ring on the and honestly, if you want to get really zesty, put an onion petal or two on there, too, while you're at White Castle.
01:19:30
Speaker
Damn, and that might be too fancy for me. I mean, again, we're gilding the lily here at this point. And then, you know, some of that horseradish mustard to cut through the richness. because And that's why I think that's why you the horseradish mustard is the unsung hero of White Castle. I will tell I will say it here loud and proud.
Impact on future films and diversity progress
01:19:51
Speaker
I'm so glad that this has devolved into just us talking about White Castle because this movie... really is the spiritual successor to something like Harold and Kumar. Like I was saying before, like Harold and Kumar guys saw this motherfucker and they were like, oh yeah, but we, we know how to do that. Right. Like we, we get what you were doing and that's a, that's a good foundation, but I think we can do this better.
01:20:22
Speaker
Right. And they could, because really, there's nowhere to Because Harold and Kumar exists. Right. And from this movie, there's nowhere to go from, but honestly. And what what a course correction, honestly, yeah for the director, I guess, and the cinematographer and everybody else that was involved in both of these films.
01:20:40
Speaker
I mean, he still doesn't go on to do much Much else after Harold and Kumar, honest. I mean, they are related films, though. And the fact that they are so similar, but so different. Like, it feels like Dude's Where's My Car is a reason Harold and Kumar or something like it exists.
01:21:04
Speaker
yeah And Harold and Kumar takes that... that formula and instead of making it racist and sexist and homophobic and transphobic and ableist, they have two minorities in the lead.
Recommended TV series and 'Atlanta' discussion
01:21:16
Speaker
They have Jewish neighbors, ah you know, and who in like they're, but they're also stoners. So there's this like mashup of stereotypes that just keeps it from being offensive. really Yes. And the fact that you, you do hire two Jewish actors helps again, a great deal.
01:21:35
Speaker
Yes. ah David Krumholtz and Eddie What's-His-Face from American Pie. Yeah, that guy. Another hyper, like Stiff, or Finch from ah from American Pie.
01:21:48
Speaker
and Another hyper-specific letterbox list that I can put this this movie on is um movies in which there's an escalating series of dares that results in ah Sean William Scott kissing his brunette co-star.
01:22:06
Speaker
this in American pie too, because that's a major key plot point in American pie too. That is reminiscent of the Shannon Elizabeth webcam scene, which is, do you think both of these were, um, something that inspired something like the, uh, Atlanta episode where they go to get the sneakers and the guy doesn't want any money. He just wants them to make out.
01:22:33
Speaker
ah potentially. I've not seen Atlanta, but that also... Steven, I'm so sorry. i know. That also seems like it might be something like a like ah a parody of the the bicycle, the very special bicycle episode, bicycle store episode of Different Strokes also.
01:22:54
Speaker
like Noted. Steven, do you have time to talk about our Lord and Savior Afro-surrealism? I mean, i enjoy afro I did see Sorry to Bother You. with And I thought that movie fucking slaps.
01:23:09
Speaker
You're sleeping so hard on Atlanta, Steven. I'm sorry. I know I recommend a lot of series this is this is this is to you. You do. But you are just taking the biggest nap on that motherfucker.
01:23:21
Speaker
The biggest just sleeping hardcore, like trillions of Z's exiting your body every day. That you're not watching Atlanta. i will I will get to it eventually.
01:23:33
Speaker
I do not know when. i do not know how. But I will get to it eventually. it is ah It has been on my list for a long time. I really hope i really hope that that happens. And i can't wait for the I can't wait for the What Are We Watchings that will come of it.
01:23:49
Speaker
oh Two cast members I did not shout at the shout out at the beginning that I would like to.
Recognizing lesser-known cast members
01:23:54
Speaker
The two guys that are guarding them in Zoltan's compound, Zoltan, are Bill Choate from um the Dana Carvey show, the short-lived Dana Carvey show.
01:24:07
Speaker
ah the The announcer of the Ambiguously Gay duo. Give me back my show. And ah Michael Donkey Lips Bauer from Salute Your Shorts.
01:24:19
Speaker
Yeah. I just wanted to shout them both out because I think both of them are criminally underrated and probably the funniest part of this movie. I mean...
01:24:31
Speaker
In a movie that has almost no funny parts. i agree with you, Steven. So many jokes.
Sean William Scott's early 2000s filmography
01:24:39
Speaker
Just wall-to-wall jokes in this movie.
01:24:42
Speaker
And I will say... But very few funny parts. ah Yes. I feel like Sean William Scott comes out of this a little better than Ashton Kutcher does. um But this is this is essentially Kelso and Stifler smoke a lot of pot and try to find a car.
01:24:57
Speaker
That is this movie. Well, because he... Well, and he seems dumber and more innocent of the two. And that's another reason why as much chemistry as these two have, the duo doesn't quite work like something like a Jay and Silent Bob or a Bill and Ted, because one is significantly dumber and more trusting than the other.
01:25:17
Speaker
Right. Like Aston Kutcher's character is kind of is definitely the leader of the group. Like he's just this much smarter yeah So that he can kind of, you know, lead things. And it creates an imbalance that, like I say, I do love the chemistry of these characters, despite the fucking stupid, awful movie they're in Right.
01:25:40
Speaker
Like this movie comes out the year after American Pie. ah So we're you know we're talking, this is Sean William Scott immediately coming off of American Pie. and When did Final Destination come out? The first Final Destination?
01:25:55
Speaker
Was he in that before this or after? Two years after that 70s show came about. Let me check. Let me get, because I went to Ashton Kutcher there for a second to get the starting date. My bad.
Scott's range from comedy to serious roles
01:26:07
Speaker
um And I will also say Sean William Scott doing amazing work this season on The Righteous Gemstones. ah And also I would recommend if you want to see Sean, wait while Steven is looking this up, if you want to see Sean William Scott's range as an actor, definitely see Wrath of Becky.
01:26:28
Speaker
Yes, you've said that's very good. In Wrath of Becky, he does exactly what, what's Paul Blart, what's that guy's name? Kevin James. Kevin can wait. Kevin James. So what Kevin James does in the first Becky Is only.
01:26:43
Speaker
Topped. By Sean William Scott. And Wrath of Becky. Because. ah What's. Paul. What's his name? Fuck.
01:26:55
Speaker
Blart? Kevin James. Why can I not keep that in my head? Couldn't tell you. good so So. Kevin James.
01:27:06
Speaker
Is. Effectively frightening. In Becky. And I think the whole thing, if they make another Becky, they'll probably do it again. But in the Becky movies, the bad guys, the psychotic killers and cult leaders or like, you know, white supremacist group leaders. I was going to say he's a proud boy, right? Like that's are they are people who are known for comedic performances turning in bone chillingly frightening.
01:27:40
Speaker
I'm scared of Kevin James in the first one. But you know what? I'm way more scared of Sean William Scott and Wrath of Becky. Dude, like, I've never seen him in anything but a comedy. I've seen him in some, like, dramedies where he's got some serious stuff going on, but he's mainly doing jokey shit.
01:28:01
Speaker
But Wrath of Becky, dude, does not fuck around. So let me break down the Sean William Scott of it all. because Genuinely frightening. Go ahead, Steven. This guy, and and I will say, and I've said on this podcast before, if you want an an actor that really understands drama, get a comedian.
01:28:18
Speaker
Um... like We say it all the time. We do. And it holds true every fucking time. um Sean William Scott kind of hits the scene. Like he does a few things here and there ah through the late 90s, but really hits obviously with American Pie that kind of propels him upward. His very next movie after that is Final Destination.
01:28:38
Speaker
I knew it. That comes in March 2000. Then he's in Road Trip. then he's in road trip later that same year. Yes. The Tom green film. um And then at the end, I mean, Scotty doesn't know.
01:28:52
Speaker
Although that's your trip. How could he? Yeah. But yeah. um But then and in December then of the, of 2000, it's where dude, where's my car? So that's like three, just boom, boom, boom.
01:29:04
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Like, and, and Those movies all kind of made their cultural ripples. In 2001, he does see our previous episode on Ivan Reitman's evolution. And then also in 2001, he turns in American Pie 2 and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
Scott's collaborations and comedy's decline
01:29:23
Speaker
Oh, he was all right in that, though. I liked him in that. With embraces? Yes. You bet your ass I'd fuck a sheep. Dude, I don't want to fuck a sheep. Fuck a fuckish sheep.
01:29:39
Speaker
Well, I tell you. And then he does. What time and a place to be alive. 2002, he does one movie. It's Stark Raving Mad. And then in 2003, he's at it again. It's old school.
01:29:50
Speaker
Future episode of this podcast. Old school and bull in his next movie, Bulletproof Monk. which we will cover on this podcast. Yes, he is Holy shit, with Chow Yun-Fat?
01:30:01
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Chow Yun-Fat and Robin Tunney, yeah. And then... a And then... Wow, poor memory unlocked, Stephen, in real time. I forgot that fucking movie existed. Wow. Mm-hmm.
01:30:16
Speaker
oh Where you been bulletproof monk? 20 years. Stuck in 2003. in 2003. 2003 is year. like in two thousand and three ah also in two thousand and three two thousand three is a good year he does American Wedding and The Rundown with The rock Like that's his 2003. That was good too. Like I'm not going to say it's a good movie, yeah right but the rundown is entertaining and it's fun.
01:30:37
Speaker
Again, the chemistry between those two guys. Holy crap. In 2005, he does Dukes of Hazzard. And then again, 2006, he does Ice Age of the Meltdown and Southland Tales, both of which are, one is a very good movie. One is a very, a very big movie. The other is a very interesting movie.
01:30:56
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And then after that, with the rock BT dubs, right? He, after that, he kind of starts entering his wilderness period. and hall It's American loser and Mr. Woodcock in 2007, the promotion and David Wayne's role models in 2008.
01:31:13
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um In 2009, from the director of Dude, Where's My Car? Balls out Cole and Gary, the tennis coach. Maybe a future episode of this podcast. I mean, see, this is all shit. I feel like this is a perfect example of how comedy, theatrical comedy, just kind of petered out and died right before and during the early two thousand tens but but And then also that year, you've got Ice Age, age of the dinosaur Dawn of the Dinosaurs. You've got ah Planet 51 in 2009.
01:31:46
Speaker
um in two thousand and nine Cop Out in 2010. Goon and Oh, that was good as hell, though. Leif Schreiber and that motherfucker. I feel like that's one where they talk about a sequel to that one, too. So maybe that's one we could cover one day. No, there is a sequel. There is a sequel to it. OK, well, then fuck the first movie, though.
01:32:05
Speaker
See Goon, Stephen. It's got OK. It's got Sean William Scott in it as a more on the serious side of a dramedy role. hmm. And get this, Stephen, you heard about this? You seen this? Leave motherfucking Schreiber.
01:32:23
Speaker
I know the name. Stephen, you've heard of this guy, right? I have. He was married to one of my one of my Hollywood crushes, Naomi Watts. Also played your boy Orson Welles in an HBO made-for-TV movie.
01:32:35
Speaker
RKO 2811. That's the one. Yeah, dude. Goon is good. And it and you know what, Stephen? it's It's directed by Jay Baruchel.
01:32:48
Speaker
You know, you can't, if, if you're, if you're Jay Baruchel, you can't have your hands like below your shoulders at pretty much any time. Um, and then in 2012, he does American reunion and ice age continental drift 2013. It's a movie 53 and a very funny episode. of It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Oh yeah. It was country Mac country Mac. Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:13
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um Max polar opposite in every conceivable way. 2016 or in 2014, it's just before I go. I don't know what that is. 2016, it's Ice Age Collision Course. There's the Goon sequel 2017. Goon 2.
01:33:27
Speaker
And then it's like ah Super Troopers 2, Bloodline. 15 episodes of the Lethal Weapon TV show. One of the few sequels that's exactly as good as the original.
01:33:42
Speaker
Super Troopers 2. and Those two movies are exactly as good as each other. Like there's there's in no way is one better or worse than the other. It's I've never seen it before in my life.
01:33:56
Speaker
And I like I like Super Troopers. It's it is a dumb early 2000s kind of bullshit comedy, but it's just unique enough and it's just clever enough.
01:34:06
Speaker
Both of them. That it's it's a real treat. If you haven't seen them, Super Troopers, Steven, or any Broken Lizard film. I've seen the first Super Troopers. Club Dread is fantastic. Beer Fest has its merits.
01:34:19
Speaker
Beer Fest, future episode
Personal fulfillment in creative projects
01:34:20
Speaker
of this podcast. Oh, really? I all i can't wait. it's it's What an untapped hot spring of conversation is it to do a Broken Lizard film.
01:34:32
Speaker
There's a lot to talk about for any one of those. I do want to correct something you said earlier. Jay Baruchel did not direct Goon, but he is one of the writers on Goon. He directed the sequel?
01:34:43
Speaker
Did he? He probably did. Let me check. That's probably what he was doing. I got Sean William Scott's IMDB page pulled up right here. ah The sequel was, in fact, directed by Baruchel. I told you.
01:34:57
Speaker
told you. That's what do he learned from the first one. But yeah, Sean William Scott kind of like starts to peter out there after like 2006. Yeah. But I think Rathabekis has come back. People just haven't like caught on to yet. It's going to take a couple of years. I think like those movies tend to get seen more by horror enthusiasts than they do by like the general public. So that's one of those I feel like is going to lie in obscurity for a little bit before it really gets discovered. And it should.
01:35:24
Speaker
Yeah. Watch Dembeckys, Steven. Put it on your list. They're on my list. You don't even worry about it. Dembeckys. Dembeckys. Dembeckys. Lulu Wilson is the name of the little gal that stars in those movies.
01:35:38
Speaker
And I can't wait to see what she does next because she is a bad dude. Like, she's just a kid. Like, in the first one, she's like 13. And she's as shit.
01:35:52
Speaker
bad as she it I believe that. Like a bad fucking dude. Like, Joel McHale plays her dad in the first one, and, like, some shit happens to him, and this girl just...
01:36:05
Speaker
snaps and I believe it I'm scared of her i'll I'll check it out again it's they've been on my list for a while and I know i need to get to them I will though um you know what fuck it let's do it um let's do it the numbers stephen the dude where's my car opens December fifteenth in ah two in the year in the year
01:36:32
Speaker
um it opens uh hang on a second i i had the daily pulled up i did not i'm gonna guess it opens at number two you're correct do you know what opens at number one do you want to fucking guess at what opens at number one a movie i saw here is this again it's 2000 oh shit i will tell you it stars mel gibson Is it Ransom?
01:36:55
Speaker
It's not. No, that was 96. Yeah, it's a little it's a little movie directed by ah Nancy Meyers, I believe, called What Women Want. It's either Nancy Meyers or Ephron.
01:37:07
Speaker
Hey, do you remember when they remade that with like Kevin Hart and like... Taraji P. Henson, my lover, Taraji P. Henson. What Women Want was like, it was one of those movies that like, it was, it was fine.
01:37:20
Speaker
i don't care. I saw the movie theater. It's Nancy Reiner. had it right the first time. I saw it the movie theater and it's, it's a, it's, I think it's the kind of movie that like back in the day, if you caught that motherfucker on cable, you'd probably sit on it for a while.
01:37:36
Speaker
Yeah. It's fun. It's silly and it's dumb and it's sexist.
01:37:42
Speaker
But what wasn't in those days? Indeed. In second place, Dude, Where's My Car? Opening to $13.8 million on its way to $46.7 domestic.
01:37:57
Speaker
Not bad. What'd they spend? About $20, $30 million on this? I'm showing production budget at $13. Oh, fantastic. So you can absolutely see why they wanted to do a sequel to this. Another $26.5 million international gives us a about a $73.2 million dollars ah worldwide box office. That's why it sucks that it's so hard to translate comedy to something theatrical these days because they're so fucking cheap.
01:38:24
Speaker
It's like horror movies. They are so cheap. Horror movies are an excuse to print money. and You don't have to hit... Like you, you barely have to like raise any eyebrows to just make so much money off a horror movie.
01:38:40
Speaker
Well, and that's why what sinners has been doing in the box office these past few weeks has been really incredible. Like had a 6% drop from week one to week two, which is unheard of anymore.
01:38:54
Speaker
and Usually people go see a movie and they're done. But the word of mouth on this thing is so hot and people are seeing it multiple times. Like I've been trying to get out to see it for the past two weeks and I probably will not get to see it until next weekend.
01:39:06
Speaker
Steven, you need to see it. Look, it's not that far. It's three hours away. Go to the state museum in Indianapolis and see it. projected on 70 millimeter film. Steven, here's the thing. I want i don't think there's in the United States.
01:39:24
Speaker
I am aware. Project 70 millimeter. Here's the thing. Three hours away. Thunderbolts is out now and no fucking IMAX screens are available anymore. Dude, no, they're bringing it back to the State Museum. That's why I suggested it.
01:39:37
Speaker
Okay. and They're bringing it back. Unfortunately, and I don't know if I brought this up yet over the course of this episode, I'm in fucking rehearsals almost every waking moment of my life.
01:39:49
Speaker
So i I cannot be traveling out of state until late June at the earliest. Dude, and I don't want to go to Boston, so
01:39:59
Speaker
I don't like going to Boston. Like, hot take. I tried to get out there last weekend to see it in IMAX, and it didn't happen. We decided to get stoned and watch yeah so Better Call Saul instead. Oh, that's too bad, because Ryan Coogler, your poor Ryan Coogler, believes they should be seen on 70mm.
01:40:16
Speaker
I know. i won That's my impression of Ryan Coogler's Oakland and accent. I do love his accent so much. I love to see that man speak. um In third place is How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the highest grossing film of 2000. The one with Jim Carrey's? Yes, the Ron Howard, Jim Carrey film.
01:40:39
Speaker
ah In fourth place, opening new this week at number four, a movie that would pretty much die in theaters but go on to have a cult classic status on home video, Walt Disney's The Emperor's New Groove. Oh, man, I love that movie so much.
01:40:57
Speaker
And in fifth place, rounding out the top five, down from number two the week before. Speaking of Robin Tunney, I saw this movie in theaters too. And this is the first movie I walked up out of thinking, wait, movies can be bad.
01:41:10
Speaker
ah It's Vertical Limit. ah yeah, I ain't see that one. That movie sucks. Don't see it. I'll bet. ah Rounding out the top 10, at number six, we have Proof of Life. At number seven, Unbreakable. They're alive, damn it.
01:41:24
Speaker
In eighth place, 102 Dalmatians. It's a miracle! Exactly. In ninth place, Dungeons and Dragons, the Jeremy Irons film.
01:41:35
Speaker
And in tenth place... Forgot about that one. Rugrats in Paris. In Paris. In Paris. Oui, oui, baguette.
01:41:46
Speaker
Jacques Cousteau. Speaking of which, Brent Spiner playing a French ostrich farmer in this movie... weird Like he he he goes uncredited in this movie, which is wild considering he took a credit for the Master of Disguise, future episode of this podcast.
01:42:02
Speaker
Right. um But like, yeah, he he later was like, yeah, that was cowardly of me. I should have just taken the credit. Fair. Yeah. You do what you can. Like they paid you. fucking Don't be an asshole. Come on.
01:42:14
Speaker
Right. ah The Tomatometer score for Dude Where's My Car is 16%.
01:42:21
Speaker
fair The critics consensus the movie isn't funny the plot is too thin and the production values feel more like a TV sitcom than a movie. Yeah. Slightly above sitcom.
01:42:32
Speaker
The CG levels are pretty rough. Particularly that opening montage through outer space. I think that the opening montage, the opening credits don't make any sense unless you've seen the movie.
01:42:45
Speaker
They're in no way engaging, entertaining, or funny, or in any other way affecting you unless you've already seen the movie. That should have been the end credits. And that's your first clue that this movie sucks.
01:43:02
Speaker
Is that they fucking, they fucked up. And they put the end credits at the beginning. Should have put the gag reel at the beginning. There you go. um This movie, the toment or the medic score, sorry, is a 30% based on generally unfavorable reviews from 17 critics.
01:43:22
Speaker
Tucker, care to take a stab as soon as I'm able to refresh my screen? There we go. It's not even a stab, Stephen. This is the most sure of anything that I've been in my entire life. This is between 2.1 and 2.5.
01:43:33
Speaker
two point one and a two point five A little too low. It's 2.7. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not fucking kidding you. I've disgraced my entire family.
01:43:46
Speaker
Tucker, every movie is somebody's favorite movie. No, that's true, but it shouldn't be that many people's favorite movie, though. And yet, here we are. um So, yeah, it's 2.7 on ah the the letterbox. Tucker, out of five stars, how many are you giving to Dude?
01:44:07
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Where's my car?
01:44:10
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This gets two stars. Half a star for the natural chemistry between the two main actors.
01:44:23
Speaker
And I don't know what the other one and a half are for. I think it's because it's just, it's, it, it looks like a movie. Like it's not poorly made. Like the script is bad. But like everybody, everybody did their job in this movie. Everybody did exactly what they were there to do.
01:44:39
Speaker
Exactly. And that's one of the reasons why I can't be mad at this movie. Like said, I don't hate this movie. I strongly dislike it. and I don't want to watch it, but I can't talk shit about it. Cause it just doesn't fucking matter.
01:44:51
Speaker
um it doesn't Who cares? Who fucking cares about this movie? It's a movie. It looks like a movie. Everybody did their best and it shows. And apparently the writers suck.
01:45:02
Speaker
Anyway. i I also am going to give it two stars. One for every time that dude gets racked in the nuts.
01:45:10
Speaker
But no, I mean, i also I also have to respect this movie for the number of, like, that guy actors they managed to fill out the cast with. like Like, the twins are played by Jennifer Garner and mar ah Marla Sokolov.
01:45:24
Speaker
Your girl, yeah. My girl, who I've loved since Full House. Still in love with. you is She's beautiful. And she's talented. Like, have you seen Sugar and Spice? That movie is hilarious. yeah. Yeah, another Forgotten And will tell a really good pairing, like if you're going to do a double feature, with Drop Dead Gorgeous.
01:45:45
Speaker
Those two movies make me... Oh, yeah. Like, not really related at all, but killer... You're preaching to the fucking choir, Stephen. A killer double feature, those two. If you're going to do three of them...
01:45:58
Speaker
Well, no. I gotta think about that. The third is less obvious. There is a third, but I'll... I would say maybe bring it Bring it on. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
01:46:12
Speaker
Almost. Remember this conversation because at one point I will randomly share my third film in this ah three film watch through.
01:46:25
Speaker
i can pretty much figure it yet. I'm not going to remember, but I appreciate that. Not Jawbreaker, and not But I'm a Cheerleader, not Slums of It. No. But you've also got, like, ah the the hot the stereotypical hot girl in this movie is Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the original Buffy the Vampire Oh, I like that movie, too.
01:46:45
Speaker
We talked about that movie, right? Or did we ever talk about that movie? We did. We did an episode on it. Because maybe we had to cancel that episode, like, four five times. We did it during Spookython last year.
01:46:56
Speaker
I'm so glad we talked about that. i love it. You've got... Despite its obvious issues. The guy who's their like stoner Buddhist friend is like... um Office Space. That's Michael Burley. Herman from Office Space and Mad TV, like an original Mad TV cast member.
01:47:13
Speaker
Yeah. And who does voices for like every animated. He's scruffy on Futurama. He's ah like half the voices on King of the Hill. And he was fine in this. And he's even like his characters kind of like fun and interesting in a way. But they just don't give him anything to do. um And like just get rid of the dog. We don't need the dog. Though that puppet, I appreciated the practical puppet. Exactly. Same.
01:47:40
Speaker
Particularly because this is 2000 and people were immediately trying to use CGI for everything. And honestly, I think on something with a budget like this, like CGI that looks shitty is just awful.
01:47:53
Speaker
Like a practical effect that looks shitty enhances the humor and for me. Like the shitty looking puppet dog. Like that, that was not funny to me except for how shitty that practical dog was. That's the only thing that was funny about that. You could immediately tell every time they switched to the puppet. Yes! It did get a chuckle out of me.
01:48:16
Speaker
like That's one of half stars is for that practical dog. There you go. Being so shitty. love i I love there's a moment that moment on the street. in my my My partner pointed this out and I had to agree with her.
01:48:28
Speaker
That moment on the street when we first get introduced to Christy Swanson's character, whose name is Christy Boner. and Why? She like starts putting like Ashton Kutcher's hands on her tits and shit.
01:48:39
Speaker
and like She kisses Ashton Kutcher and Sean William Scott is doing this kind of creepy lean in like... making kissy faces at her, trying to get her to kiss him too. That's really funny. like And then him like dancing with the strippers i was also very funny to me. Like the innocence of that character, I think Sean Williams got plays so well that it, it almost makes Ashton Kutcher look even worse.
01:49:04
Speaker
Yeah, because I don't think that he's particularly manipulative or very smart at all, but just compared to Sean William Scott's character, is he's just so ignorant and um like childlike even.
01:49:21
Speaker
yeah Whereas like Aston Kutcher, I feel like it's kind of the same character, but he... he's just, just slightly more self-aware. Right.
01:49:34
Speaker
Just the slightest, like not even a measurable amount. It also makes him a much more likable character than Ashton Kirk's character. Agreed. Agreed. Like, yeah, I don't know.
01:49:45
Speaker
um But yeah, butdding you guys that's where I go for that. And now Tucker, let's, let's, let's run through the socials for this podcast. And then I can talk about my other podcast.
01:49:58
Speaker
Yeah. you You talk about our socials, your podcast and your socials while I pee. Okay. And then i'll I'll do the same while you're giving your socials. Deal? Yes, dude. Yes. Love this for us.
01:50:09
Speaker
um So yes, this has been the Disenfranchised Podcast. ah You can find us on social media at DisenfranchPod. Shoot us an email, disenfranchpod at gmail.com. I will tell you for social media, we're pretty much only on Blue Sky, YouTube and Letterboxd these days. Don't really look for us anywhere else.
01:50:26
Speaker
ah There are old accounts out there. um You can follow them if you'd like. That would be great. But we're not doing much there, I'm afraid. um Just Blue Sky, YouTube and Letterboxd at DisenfranchPod.
01:50:39
Speaker
Again, email us disenfranchpod at gmail.com. You can join for free over at patreon.com slash disenfranchpod and get episodes of the podcast every month or every week as they release.
01:50:51
Speaker
um You can also, if you decide to spend $5 more per month, which is to say just $5 a month, ah you get access to our advanced notices on episodes that we're planning to cover.
01:51:04
Speaker
If any changes get made to the lineup before that, you will be the first to know as a patron. Additionally, ah like last month when we had to switch out something for Lupin III, only patrons really know what we were originally planning to cover.
01:51:18
Speaker
ah So there's that. um But then we also also will release occasionally um ah additional content over there. And we have for the first time in almost a full fucking year released a new episode of what are we watching to the Patreon.
01:51:37
Speaker
Not only that, Steven. Not only that, Tucker. Talk about it. ah But wait, there's more. But wait, there's more. If you call now. um so also not only do i have an episode in the bank like i haven't released it yet but at some point i will you where jimmy and i did a very special disenfranchised at the movies on uh reviewing the film the apprentice starring not only is that coming out soon and we love that guy strong love that guy too um
01:52:14
Speaker
Not only is that coming out soon, we just dropped an episode of What Are We Watching? And Stephen, if I can get you to on the air commit to Thursday night for another What Are We Watching recording.
01:52:27
Speaker
It's been two weeks. I want to do this biweekly. That's not twice a week. That's twice a month. Right. Because why don't we just come up with another word? Why hasn't anybody done that?
01:52:39
Speaker
Because bi-weekly means both, and you have to specify every time. So every time you say bi-weekly, you have to add, like, something to it. It's an every other weekly podcast.
01:52:50
Speaker
Every other week. Every other weekly. Every other motherfucking week. Thursday, Steven. Put it on the calendar. We're doing it. What are we watching? able to I will not be able to record are we watching Thursday night? Play practicing? Nope, because I am in the office that day.
01:53:06
Speaker
suck but I'd like to do an episode next week Steven let's put it on the calendar at some point Steven just wrote that for you I appreciate it look i not everyone you're you're you're one of very few people that has ever written a song about me specifically so thank you just 23 skidooed that up for you can imagine if I put some thought into it I can't no um I don't know why anyone would quite frankly wow um Additionally, you can find me. I'm Stephen Fox. You can find me on ah Twitter and Letterboxd at Chewy Walrus. You can also find me and past and future guest friend of the podcast, Hope Lickner.
01:53:50
Speaker
over on a new a new podcast we've i've teased it a lot actually because we've been our first episode we recorded our first episode in september of last year and it is coming out next tuesday as of the as of the release of this episode so uh this episode is dropping on oh no it will have released just this past Tuesday as of the release of this episode. Sorry.
01:54:15
Speaker
This episode is coming out on the 8th. Our first episode dropped two days ago on May 6th. It is called Wells University. um And it is the two of us talking about one of our favorite filmmakers, historical figures, raconteurs, the great Orson Welles, who has made several appearances over the course of this episode, weirdly.
01:54:34
Speaker
um But it's us talking about the life and work of Orson Welles. The first episode out now is kind of our introduction, our histories with Orson Welles. The thesis. The breadth of our media therein.
01:54:46
Speaker
And then we'll start getting into the life of the man gradually over the course of the next episode. ah several weeks. We've got a few, we've got about four or five episodes in the can right now. And another recording scheduled for next week already. So, um but I'm doing a ton of research pretty much anytime I'm not in play practice or doing something for this podcast or working.
01:55:09
Speaker
I'm working on researching for that podcast. And that's the thing about the Wells U podcast, because as editor and theme writer, at least for the outro,
01:55:20
Speaker
um on this podcast. I have heard the first episode and it's pretty laser focused. Like even for something where you guys are just like sort of ah kind of explaining what you're doing.
01:55:35
Speaker
Right. Like it's not it's not some old bullshit like this podcast where we're just fucking around. Right. Like... We talk about movies, but the cool part is is we just kind of goof off all the time.
01:55:49
Speaker
like That's our podcast, right? what will You just described half the podcasts that exist. Every podcast, yeah. But no, this other one, it's focused. And I would recommend it even for people who are not maybe specifically into Orson Welles because it's one of those things that you guys, I think, are so passionate about it that...
01:56:13
Speaker
It might make other people interested, even if they have no reference whatsoever. I mean, here's hoping. Yeah, we're we're really proud of it. We've been, again, it's something we've been working on since last year. i got a drunk text and and this will all come out in the course of the episode. So I'm not really spoiling much, but I got a drunk text from Hope saying we should do an Orson Welles podcast. And the very next day i had basically a list of his entire body of work.
01:56:40
Speaker
And so when I messaged it to her, I was like, hey, I've done some groundwork for the podcast already. She had to like remind herself that she had drunk texted me. And so often that I will get, after I'm telling her like how much research I'm doing, I'll just get a text back from her. I am so glad I drunk texted you.
01:56:56
Speaker
And that's where Steven is on the spectrum. Right. Just that. That'll give you an idea. It's it's called a hyper fixation for a reason. tucker yeah i know about those. for I'll tell you what.
01:57:10
Speaker
And this is, I mean, Orson Welles has, I taught a J-term class and at one of my old teaching gigs on on the life and work of Orson Welles. And so this, that that was a condensed two-week course.
01:57:21
Speaker
This is going to be like expanded out over the course of our, the rest of our natural lives. Who knows how long it will go. it it we've We've got a list of projects. And if we just cover the projects, it's eight years.
01:57:37
Speaker
just covering the project. And then after that, you just start like grasping for straws by covering every pinky in the brain short. But here's the thing. We've got ideas for other episodes. Like we spend five episodes just talking about hid the first 16 years of his life from i believe from from the years leading up to his birth to him leaving the United States to go to Ireland. Like there's a lot there. and We've got five episodes or four episodes just on that, just on that period of his life.
01:58:11
Speaker
So like and hope is like, I want to get to the work. I want to get to the work. And I'm like, we have to let this. You got it. Yeah, you got to get the context like the work is not as interesting. It's interesting without it, but it's not as interesting because you're without that context. And we're already making some of those connections and you'll you'll hear those in the episodes, but we're already making those connections to the later work.
01:58:32
Speaker
um and And again, tying in the things that are going to become major themes throughout his work later on and really interrogating who he was as a public figure, because a lot of his a lot of he's a raconteur. Every story he tells is different a little bit.
01:58:49
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And he'll say things like, I don't believe that my art is speaking to who I am as a person, is. is complete bullshit. If you like pay any attention to his youth, like there are themes that continually come up in his work relationships between fathers and their children in particular that are formative. If you understand like who he was as a child and his relationship with both his mother and his father.
01:59:15
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are like pivotal. So, but yeah, that's, that's a taste, a little smidge, just a tiny little taste of what you'll get over at Wells U. Oh, what are thin?
01:59:28
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ah What fi are thin? ah straight It's available now, wherever you get your podcast, please check it out and give it, give it the ratings on yeah ah Apple podcast and Spotify that you give to this show.
01:59:42
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And we will be eternally grateful for you to you as a result of that. um Yeah, we we we're not I have no delusions that this podcast will will lead to anything ah resembling me being able to like leave my job or something. But I am having so much fun with it that I just it would be a shame if I'm just making it for Hope and I, although I would make it for Hope and I.
02:00:05
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Well, you know, Steven, we were talking about how ah pop culture has ruined hobbies. I think that's why podcasting is the ultimate hobby now, because like you put it out there for anybody to listen to, but it's really just for you. Right.
02:00:22
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Like I, this is like, this is me being held accountable. I don't want to say I'm obligated, but I am accountable. I am a part of this.
02:00:33
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We watch movies. We talk about it. We do. And that is time not spent staring at my phone, you know, endlessly scrolling through Netflix and or whatever.
02:00:47
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Right. Podcasting is the ultimate hobby. It brings the work and the effort back to hobbies. Absolutely. That's why everybody fucking has one. Exactly. And, and honestly, it doesn't require that much effort. And if you, if you're really good at it and people notice you, you could potentially make some money.
02:01:07
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That's true. And if not, like you get a little group, at least even us, like we have a a group of, Probably 75 to 100 people. There are dozens of us.
02:01:20
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Dozens! And that's, I mean, that's more than I even need. I'd be happy to just sit here and talk to you, honestly. Yeah, we have a fun time. Like, but the the fact that people listen to it and enjoy it, like, that's an added bonus. That's the same with my music. Like you go to my YouTube.
02:01:36
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That's the only place you find my music. I sign Oh nine. That's I C e N I N zero. The number zero and I N E the number zero and the number nine. Why don't you give your social so I can go pee? I just did.
02:01:50
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Well then dammit, let's end the fucking episode so I can go pee. So you can go pee. Yes. You got to pee. You make me drone on and on so you can pee, but no, not me. Go pee, Steven. I've got stuff to say.
02:02:01
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You vamp. Okay. So the the YouTube, the reason I mentioned it, because my YouTube channel, at Ice909, I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine, ah contains the majority of my musical output from the time i was...
02:02:26
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eighteen when I put out my first record, my first LP. So that would have been 2001. two thousand and one And now, so essentially 25 years worth of me just making music But like I don't have it on streaming services. I just have it on YouTube for preservation, really. And anybody who wants to listen to it can listen to it.
02:02:51
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Anyway, also Tuck Mugs is still a thing for now on Instagram. That's Tuck underscore Mugs. There's a lot of content on there at the moment. We haven't posted anything in a while because I would like to move things over. i haven't quite figured that out yet.
02:03:10
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Well, you better get we're working on it. We're we're getting there. Anyway, let's ah take it home, Steven. ah That is our episode on 2000s. Dude, where's my car?
02:03:24
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Where's your car, dude? Where's my car? Again, as far as I'm willing to go. Okay, that's fair. Touche. um So... For my co-host Tucker and the absent Brett Wright, because the man is busy.
02:03:39
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um I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, saying until next time, shibby, shibby, shitbby shibby shipbby shipbby shibby, shibby.
02:03:51
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You bastard. Look, I did. I was good for the whole fucking episode. appreciate it. You have to give me the outro. You have to. And you know, that's the easiest part to edit out.
02:04:03
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Fuck you, shibby.
02:04:10
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Thank you.