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“Only one thing worse than a dragon: Americans!”
With a live-action How to Train Your Dragon movie in theaters this weekend, we’re talking about another Gerard Butler vs. dragons movie that ends with something incendiary shot down the mouth of the Alpha Dragon! Along the way, we also stop to discuss Billy Bob Thornton’s directorial efforts, why Barry Pepper should have been in this movie, and our go-to jukebox songs!
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Confusing Characters: Danny Parker vs. The Stepfather
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I'll bet ah bet um Danny Parker and tom or Tom Van Allen. I guess would had to be Tom Van Allen. I'll bet that he watched The Stepfather. And I'll bet that's what he got the inspiration from.
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um Do you think that he wakes up sometimes in the middle of the night and like forgets that he's like the new guy? And he goes to pee and he walks past the mirror and he's got the the hair coloring and like the whatever and everything. he's holy fuck!
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scares himself? Do you think that happens? Maybe the first few days before he got used to it yeah
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As he stands in front of the mirror, am I Tom Van Allen? Or am I Danny Parker? Well, I'll let you decide. Who am I here? yeah Terry O'Quinn and Val Kilmer present the so foxy Just don't tell Terry Quinn what he can do.
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Terry O'Quinn what he can do. Okay. That's from the list. that's from Okay, I did see that one. He's in it, and he's he's pretty good in it. yeah I did know that he was in it.
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I was a whore. But not not a whore enough to actually want to go see it? No, no, i it never really looked like my type of show. It kind of seemed like the type of show where they like they had a good idea and they were like, let's see where it takes us instead of like actually having a plan of how it was going to go. And that never really, assuming that's what the show is actually like, that never really sets well with me. I feel like you kind of need to have so Some kind of idea. Sure, you fill in blanks and gaps, but... So, yeah. You kind of have some kind of... No, mystery... but It's J.J. Abram. Of course it's the fucking mystery box. Exactly.
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I just... Okay. Yeah. I didn't need to say any of that, actually. No. No. The... the they They always said, oh, yes, we know how it's going to end. But, in fact, what they meant by that is we know what the last shot of the show is going to be.
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That's not a narrative direction, you assholes. Nope. Nope. that's ah That's a deadline. that's ah That's an ultimatum, almost. Right. that that's That's literally like knowing what what kind of punctuation you're going to put at the end of the sentence. That's not ah that's not crafting a crafting the sentence and knowing its structure and being able to diagram the fucking thing.
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that's I'm mad, but I don't know what I'm going to say. I just know I'm mad. Exclamation point! If you work in customer service, then you know exactly what those sentences sound like.
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Where people are just making them up as they go along. Yes.
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Alright, now should we start this episode in earnest? Yes, please. Music Music Music
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No secret for you. The only thing worse than dragons, it's the Disenfranchised Podcast.
Meet the Hosts: Stephen and Tucker on Fallen Franchises
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That podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
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I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me as always, a real dragon killer himself, it's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hello, Stephen. Whoa, that one was weird.
00:03:23
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i was That was me putting the punctuation there before X. Let me try that again. Hello, Steven. How's it going? it's Shifting wildly between tones right now. Hey, I figured out my Billy Bob Thornton impression. Did i tell you that? You did. You texted me the other day.
00:03:42
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i haven't done it in like 12 hours. Let's see if I still got it. Well, that's fucking cool. going to get my Kangol, my Kangol hat, my Kangol. So really what you figured out is how Billy Bob says Kangol.
00:03:56
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No, i always knew how he said Kangol. The key to it was, was, well, that's fucking cool. It's the, it's the way he says fuck. but Well, that's fucking, fucking cool. That's fucking cool.
00:04:07
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Like feck? Kind of, but like it's, it stays a U, but it's almost an E. Well, that's fucking cool. Yeah. Well, anybody can do Sling Blade Billy Bob.
00:04:22
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i I saw a clip of him on Inside the Actors Studio where they ask him to do that, and he's like, well, it hurts. I'm like, how do you mean? like Vocally or physically? He's like, yes. And emotionally, actually. Right. I mean, honestly, yes.
00:04:38
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But like because vocally, he's got that like deep rasp, and then he like juts his jaw out. Like he actually like put like contorts his face to do that. And it's, and they, he actually does do it for them because it's inside the actor's studio. And of course he does.
00:04:55
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But yeah, it was, you could kind of see like in the transformation, you're like, oh, this is not natural. This is not something the human body should do regularly. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I was always surprised that um Billy Bob Thornton became more of a star in front of the camera than behind.
00:05:13
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Yeah, well, I think it was because his movies didn't really make a lot. on Well, I think what happened was Sling Blade was a big deal. But then after that, like nobody really gave a fuck. he' He's done really good writing and directing since then.
00:05:30
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We're going to cover one of those at some point. It keeps getting switched around, but we're going to talk about daddy and them. We are. ah He also wrote, he also has a screenplay credit on The Gift, the Sam Raimi film, which I have seen.
00:05:43
Speaker
Yes, me too. Which is, that I would say lesser Raimi, but an interesting film nonetheless. It's kind of like, um um I don't know, it kind of has the same sort of vibe as a Simple Plan, but it is a little more horror-based, kind of got some supernatural elements to it, you know?
00:06:02
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yeah Yep, yep. I would agree with that and ah of that. Apparently, that movie is based off of his mom, who was a southern psychic. Wow. so Yeah, there you go.
00:06:14
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Wow. But that is... that is as if for a Sling Blade right now is the only Billy Bob Thornton directed film that I have seen. Although I will at some point see Daddy and Them.
00:06:25
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um I mean, he's only got five. like yeah It won't take wouldn't take that long to watch. Sling Blade, All the Pretty Horses, Daddy and Them, oh flo and Jane Mansfield's car.
00:06:37
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I can tell you that All the Pretty Horses... is a very well-made movie. It's very well done. Penelope Cruz, Matt Damon. Yeah, I saw that blind. I just went into that blind um with the stalker girl I was talking about before.
00:06:55
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We went and saw that. and I wouldn't say that I liked it, but I thought it was really, really good. Like, I was like, this is a good movie. Like, I'm not into it, but this is really good.
00:07:07
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I always get mixed up all the pretty horses and the Horse Whisper, the Robert Redford film. It's happening again, Steven. Are you seeing it? The guest? No. Our phantom guest?
00:07:17
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No. It's happening again. You guys, I don't know if I said this on mic, but we had, like, last time we were here, was just me and Steven, and we thought... Well, no, we never. Well, we thought going guest, but then like we didn't.
00:07:29
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And so it was the next day. Yeah, it was the next day. And I was like, you think our guest is trying to come in? Because see, when somebody comes to the green room before they come into the recording room, they show up as a guest. It says this person's in the green room.
00:07:42
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And that just happened twice in a twenty second Time frame there, Steven. A guest jumped on for like five seconds. I did not see it, Tucker. That's so weird because I'm the only person you sent the link to, dude.
00:07:54
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I know. i'm I'm the one that sent the link. I'm aware. Dude, I know. It's just wild. Anyway, there's a live action How to Train Your Dragon movie coming out this weekend. So we're talking about 2002's Reign of Fire ah this week.
'Reign of Fire': Dragons and Apocalypse
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um Reign of Fire directed by ah Rob Bowman, written by who we Greg Schabo, Kevin Paterka, and Matt Greenberg.
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ah Starring Matthew McConaughey, Christian Bale, Isabella Skorupko, Gerard Butler, Scott Motor, David Kennedy, Alexander Siddig, and Alice Krij and a a little one-shot cameo from King Joffrey himself, Lil Jack Gleeson.
00:08:41
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What a cast, dare I say? What a picture? I really like this movie, Steven. I really like it a lot. You were very excited when I put this one on the schedule to coincide with How to Train Your Dragon.
00:08:54
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It's very strange because i don't... and like Historically... if you didn't know I liked this movie, you would watch it and be ah like, oh yeah, Tucker would hate that.
00:09:06
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Everything about it. Not necessarily. Everything. Not necessarily. well Well, when you start with the color palette, you know my brain doesn't like that kind of shit. My brain does not like that shit. That I do know. That that kind of very washed out sort of thing. That's a big hurdle.
00:09:21
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A big hurdle to overcome. So your movie got to be real, real motherfucking good for my brain to let me like it. And ah yeah, there's just so much about this movie that if it were any other movie, I would say it was bullshit. But just the fact that it just comes together the way that it does.
00:09:37
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Somehow, I really love it. This is the movie I watched for this episode. ah Like so many of these movies, this is what I watched for this episode. I remember hearing about this movie when it came out.
00:09:51
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I was in college. I was rooming with past and future guest Phil Smith, ah who, um good good friend of mine, who's been on this show a couple times. And... um He yeah, we yeah just never saw it. Never really had any desire to see it.
00:10:07
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um And then I was like, well, I got to watch it for the podcast. So I might as well watch it for the podcast. And then you know what, Tucker? I watched it for the podcast. And now here we are. And I could tell you my history with this movie now. by like Please do, because I have a feeling yours is going to be far more interesting.
00:10:22
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Well, gosh, I just can't wait to tell you. Well, um you know how it's it's a movie that I I don't want to like, like my brain doesn't want me to like generally. So i it I knew that it had come out too.
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I was aware. um But I had no interest in it whatsoever. i was going to this is not a theater release for Tukey? Nope. And at some point when J.P. Leck and I were doing the round of short films that would eventually become the prelude to the main canon that we're into right now, the Goners stuff, his wife...
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um told me i should watch it and i told her all the reasons why i don't want to watch it and she said well you should watch it anyway and she borrowed me the dvd that was 20 years ago and i still haven't given it back and whenever i go whenever i go over to his house it's like you know how you have like tradition jokes with your family like they're not funny anymore but you say them because you all enjoy them correct and it's just tradition that's our heavy air quotes on enjoy That's our joke tradition is is asking if I've brought back Reign of Fire.
00:11:34
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You know what? i should just I should order them that. Do they have a Blu-ray player? i honestly don't know. I don't know, dude. You know what? I have to assume they do because his movie only was released on Blu-ray. So I have to assume that. So i should i should i I'm betting hard money they don't have a 4K player. I should just buy them a copy of Reign of Fire just as a...
00:11:54
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ah and and And sign it on on on on Tucker's behalf. Apologies. on the and you di Then you'd kill the joke, man. You'd kill the joke. We wouldn't have the joke anymore. You can still have the joke. It's just, you know, they have a better copy now.
00:12:09
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I did pay $4 to rent this, though, because as you can see behind me, all of my DVDs, Blu-rays, 4Ks, VHS, various other physical medias, vidgie games are all in these milk crates.
00:12:22
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Yeah. Double. See how wide those are? Those are double wide milk crates. Boy. you sent that You sent the picture to the group chat, so I did i have seen it. ah Yeah, tuckers Tucker, be moving.
00:12:34
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Mm-hmm. So we're, we're, we're like trying to compact as many episodes as we can into a very tight recording window. When does this one drop?
00:12:44
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ah This one drops a week from this coming Thursday. I was wanting the exact date. but guess i that What is 5 plus 7? Yes, the 12th.
00:12:58
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And then the one we're recording tomorrow is coming out the 19th. okay And then you said you would be ready to record by the 26th. Or for the 26th episode. Gosh, I hope so. If not, it's just going to be me or anyone and anyone else I can wrangle for a record. Anybody that's free. It's a horror movie, so I might throw the throw out throw a bone out to the Pod and Pendulum crew, see if anyone would be willing to dive into that for me.
00:13:24
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I'm sure I'll be fine as long as I have my computer and my microphone and my headphones. I'm good. three items that can become very compact if I need them to. Right. And you can keep them in somewhere that is easily accessible.
00:13:37
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In my Jansport bag! In the Jansport! and My Jansport yellow bag with flowers on it, Prince. Love that you are still rocking the Jansport. That is fantastic.
00:13:48
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One of the best backpack I ever had was a Jansport. I was going to you get what you pay for with Jansport, dude. They don't fuck around. Those straps, though, for ah for a fat guy who's tough on things, those straps ah do do eventually fray and fall apart.
00:14:03
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Oof, I'll bet. But yes, I did one of the best, one of the best backpacks i ever had. Maybe not the best, but one. See the the cool pattern, Steven? It's yellow and it has flowers. Yes, I do.
00:14:14
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It was on sale because it was so ugly. Nobody wanted it. But I think it's pretty. Yeah. And I have my, well, it's it's not a visual. I won't, it's just, it's pretty. It's a pretty bag.
00:14:27
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I think so. Yeah. Yeah. But you like pretty things.
Actors' Journeys Around 'Reign of Fire'
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We're talking about Reign of Fire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So so that movie so you you watched it and um but because the Holy Cow like borrowed it to you and you yeah loved it.
00:14:46
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Holy cow. Yeah, I loved it. I watch it. You committed theft. Well, <unk>t well. Well, borrow implies intent to return.
00:14:57
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Look, I did. at once Once the 4K of my boy or Blu-ray of my boyfriend's back, when Kino Lorber dropped that, I finally gave her her DVD copy of that back. I only had that for about 15 years.
00:15:10
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Finally gave that back, though. So your thing gets a 4K release? What I'm saying is also not only that, but I gave them my DVD version of Cemetery Man.
00:15:22
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because Because you'd upgraded to Blu-ray for this podcast. Yes, and I knew that they were both a fan of that film, but they had never had a chance to buy it because it was very, very briefly available on VHS and DVD in the United States. but Anchor Bay, I think, put it out. so until this is Something Anchor Bay would have done, yeah.
00:15:40
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Until this Blu-ray came out. Now there's a 4K that just came out, and now I feel stupid for buying the fucking Blu-ray. but um So when i eventually Rain of Fire comes out on 4K, I will buy it, and then I will return...
00:15:53
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the DVD along with something else. I'll bring ah ah gift as interest. Yeah. So one thing I got to say about this movie that I really enjoyed is the fact that it's a dragon apocalypse.
00:16:11
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Right. We've seen nuclear apocalypses and we've seen zombie apocalypses. Yup. But I love the... Ugrises and shit. Right. I love the notion of a dragon apocalypse, an apocalypse caused exclusively as a result of dragons. Yes.
00:16:28
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the The notion that there is ah kind of a fantasy, sci-fi, hard mashup. here is is really and horror i'd say horror as well little bit little bits and pieces horror elements i would i would say horror adjacency perhaps i would say it's more sci-fi and fantasy than it is horror but there are horror elements for sure um but like and in it it's such that i i had a hard time I had a hard time trying to figure why this movie didn't get three to five direct to DVD sequels. Oh, gosh. I would have watched all of them.
00:17:06
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Because i would have you know what did get direct to DVD sequels, Tucker? Dragonheart? Dragonheart got direct to DVD sequels. And that's just straight fantasy. That's only trying to do one thing. This let me like Starship Troopers with dragons and that Starship Troopers also three to five direct to DVD sequels like a varying quality. Yeah, this is right in that vein. And there should have been three to five direct to DVD sequels of this movie.
00:17:34
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I think that this movie is good until Van San gets there, but it's better because of him and the fact that he, spoilers, dies at the end...
00:17:48
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They'd have to figure out a way to bring him back for a sequel. There's no way you don't have that character. That character is the standout character. Matthew McConaughey has not been this unhinged since the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Steven.
00:18:01
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Right. and not And he's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, everybody it takes him until I think Wolf of Wall Street to get this unhinged again. Everybody here is bringing it like 100%. I believe every performance, every every single one.
00:18:17
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I'm like, is that the Matthew Mahou? That's Van Sant, dude. the the the The crazy thing for me is that this is Matthew McConaughey, Christian Bale, and Gerard Butler all right before they hit.
00:18:31
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In the best same fucking movie. And it's just kind of one of those... If this had come out three years later, this would be the biggest movie in Hollywood. But because it comes out right now when it does, no one's fucking seeing this thing.
00:18:45
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yeah like let's let's Let's look at McConaughey first. because i We've covered him before, of course, on The Dark Tower. Yeah. Just again, he's ah he's a very talented actor who does not tend to get used effectively.
00:18:59
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But this is him. So 2002, he's already done Amistad. He's already done the Newton boys. Oh, I love that Linklater. That's a good movie. You like Linklater. Got a what's his nuts? um The Dwight Yoakam.
00:19:13
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Sorry. Anytime Dwight Yoakam's in a movie, I just. From Sling Blade. Dwight Yoakam of Sling Blade fame. country superstar Dwight Yoakam. I know him from, know but yes, from, from baby. I'll be fast as you.
00:19:27
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Maybe I'll break hearts too. That's Dwight Yoakam, dude. Okay, fine. Great. Come on, man. i He does you five, seven, one in 2000 frailty in 2001. This is his immediate followup to frailty.
00:19:41
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And then the year later, it's how to lose a guy in 10 days. He's leading a movie in Sahara, a future episode of this podcast, Sahara. Like after this, he starts to, he enters his ah rom-com era.
00:19:57
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um You also have two for the money, failure to launch. We are Marshall fool's gold. And then Tropic Thunder and Tropic Thunder is like, I would say the thing that kicks off the McConaissance.
00:20:07
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Yeah. You've got like one other rom-com Ghosts of Girlfriends past ah that he has got to get out before ah that starts. And then the Lincoln lawyer, Bernie, kill William Friedkin's Killer Joe, which is a fucking masterpiece.
00:20:22
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um The paper boy, Mud, Magic Mike. And then he's just off a Magic Mike, just stratosphere. So he's I think he's probably the best established at this point. For Bale, he is already – I mean, he's he was a child star. He did Swing Kids. He did – what's the – Newsies? Newsies, yeah.
00:20:43
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Newsies and Swing Kids he does in 92, 93. He's in Little Women. He did some – Well, he had some ah some independent film ah roles that earned him a lot of recognition at the time. Stuff like like Velvet Goldmine.
00:20:58
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Yes, in 1998. What was the one with the Francis McDormand where he plays the musician? um it's a It's a neighborhood in Los Angeles. um Not Mahalo Drive.
00:21:10
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Metroland? Nope, keep looking. It's... um Oh, gosh, this going to bother me. Canyon.
00:21:21
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There you go. Thank you. that's in that comes out that That comes out right before this. Same year. that's what we're That's what we're supposed to believe, that Christian Bale is singing a so a Sparkle Horse song.
00:21:33
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i don't know if you know who Sparkle Horse is, but Christian Bale does not sound, nor does he look like he could ever sound like dude from Sparkle Horse, R.I.P.
00:21:45
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It's a good song, though. Someday I Will Treat You Good. That's a good song. That's a real good song. Check it out if you don't if you haven't heard it. Sparkle Horse. Just check out Sparkle Horse in general. R.I.P. he's in He's in the 1999 Midsummer Night's Dream, the one with Stanley Tucci and Calista Flockhart.
00:22:03
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ah He's in, he does American Psycho in 2000. That's probably his his big break. He's the villain in future episode of this podcast, Shaft, in 2000. Oh, he is, and he's good, too.
00:22:14
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I believe it. okay to see You don't get to see him in that kind of role, really, and he really he really eats it up. I don't know who he plays in Captain Corelli's Mandolin, but he's there. I don't fucking either. cares? I've never seen it. i don't know if I don't know if he's the cock or the brother. I really don't. And here's the thing. I don't know that I care.
00:22:32
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ah don't care. I don't care. I don't think that was for me. And then eat Laurel Canyon and then Reign of Fire. And then right after Reign of Fire, he does Equilibrium. Ooh, that was another big one with the nerds. The nerds loved him. We sure did. The nerds loved him.
00:22:46
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And then we get the Machinist. We get Howl. He does the English version of Howl's Moving Castle. Harsh times. And then he's fucking Batman. And again, yeah then he's off to the races.
00:22:57
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he he He... That was very dangerous what he did with The Machinist. Yes, it was. He got he got very skinny. he he You saw him in this movie. Yeah. He went he basically went from Batman Begins to The Machinist.
00:23:11
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I'm sorry. He went from this to The Machinist to Batman Begins. Right. And basically put all of that fucking weight back on. And if you've seen The Machinist... holy fuck, he's so skinny. He's nothing. he's He could bleak a blow away in stiff breeze in that movie. literally starved himself for that movie.
00:23:28
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Well, here's the thing. He came on to this movie, apparently, what I read. He came on to this movie having, you know, kind of starved himself, like, you know, looking very gaunt and thin because he figures post-apocalypse people aren't going to be having, you know, a lot of mass and bulk.
00:23:43
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And then he sees Matthew McConaughey and he's like, going have to fight this motherfucker. better start going to the gym. Yeah. And so he he actually does have to go to the gym and start bulking up in order to try to at least feel like a threat ah to McConaughey.
00:23:59
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um I'm looking at Jerry Butler's filmography now, and their his first big role seems to be Dracula in a little film called Dracula 2000, which came out, let me check my notes here, in the year two thousand I was always disappointed that they didn't call the sequels um because it's like Dracula Ascension and Dracula something else. right They should have called it Dracula 2000 and then the subtitle because I didn't even know those were sequels to that movie until years later and someone one told me.
00:24:33
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And I finally watched them. I was like, the first one's the best, but that's a pretty decent trilogy. I'm glad I watched them. Well, and of course, that the title that title feels like a an homage to the Hammer film Dracula AD 1972, which comes out in the year of our Lord 1972. Hey, imagine that. ah Imagine that. And then you've also got, apparently, there's also a film called Dracula AD 2015 that looks like it is ah very, very, very, very low budget.
00:25:04
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Starring, written by, and directed by someone named Joshua Kennedy. Yeah. I don't know who this dude is, but apparently i love that box art, though.
00:25:16
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Sure. That's the only reason I even know about that movie is because I've seen that box art and it's just like stupid and awful in like the best way. Right. He does a movie called Shooters in early 2022. But like this is really seems like his big follow up to um to Dracula 2000. And then the next year he's in Lara Croft to colon Tomb Raider dash the cradle of life, the sequel to art to the Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider film.
00:25:44
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um and then And then he gets a big bump off of that. Hollywood's trying to cast him in everything. And then they cast him in future episodes of this podcast. The Phantom of the Opera. The Andrew Lloyd. I thought it was going to be Gamer.
00:25:58
Speaker
No, Gamer comes along a lot later. like Gamer's not until 2009. I think that's kind of where he figured out where he fits into Hollywood. He did The Gamer, and then he's kind of... I feel like so after that, he's sort of stuck to like your B-action movies...
00:26:16
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Before that, I would agree with you, but before that, he's got 300 in 2006 and Rock and Rolla in 2008, which I would say both of those are a little more, I think those are lead ups to Gamer, but yeah. But but yeah Gamer's another one of those, like the villain in that movie is... Dexter.
00:26:37
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Michael C. Hall. Michael C. Hall, who I love, but like, really? Like, really? Yeah. um And then he, a couple years after gamer, he's doing the how to train your dragon films, which he's, and he's playing the same role in the live action movie. So the, there, there are now three movies that exist where Gerard Butler is in a movie about dragons that ends with some kind of incendiary something being shot down the throat of the major dragon to kill it at the end. Spoilers.
00:27:07
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Nice. But yeah, I mean, that is fucking wild. How much of the rest of the voice cast is surprising that role? we're goingnna we're go to We're going to get a Jay Baruchel? No.
00:27:18
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No? No. Okay. Absolutely not. No, it's do I think he is the only one. I think he was much older than his character when that ah originally came out, too, because i see he's supposed to be a teenager, I think.
00:27:31
Speaker
He was like in his 30s when that first one came out. And then Nick Frost is doing the Craig Ferguson role in that. Mason Tames is the actor playing Hiccup, the Jay Baruchel role.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yeah. I think Julian Dennison, the kid from ah Hunt for the Wildebeest, is playing the the Jonah Hill character, which I find very funny.
00:27:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. ah But yeah, none of the... Peter Serafinovich is in there. um But yeah, none of the none of the rest of the original voice cast is returning. They probably could have gotten TJ Miller for a song, but who would have wanted him Hey, hey, yeah. Oh, that was ah bad timing when he was he was on Crashing.
00:28:14
Speaker
He had a big part in Pete hall pete Holmes' semi-autobiographical show that he had on HBO called Crashing. And... um I remember being like, wow, this is the best stuff that he's done. Maybe he's not just like these this annoying little bastard.
00:28:33
Speaker
And then i like all stuff came out and the stuff that he said, i was like, oh, well, maybe he kind is an annoying little bastard. He almost had me. He almost got me.
00:28:44
Speaker
He almost almost got me, Steven. he's's He's at least a good enough actor to have had you fooled for a moment. Yeah, yeah. yeah And honestly, apparently a lot of other people as well. But, you know, do do but do with that what you will.
00:28:57
Speaker
But yeah, and then he and then he's bitching in the press about how Ryan Reynolds won't call him back for Deadpool. Gee, I wonder why, asshole. Not that Ryan Reynolds is much better, but yeah. No, as long as we've got the cab driver, we don't need TJ Miller's character.
00:29:11
Speaker
Correct. and And as long as we've got a Blind Al, too. Yeah, because, I mean, they're essentially the same character. Right. It's just, you know, human people that, you know, are very sarcastic with Deadpool. Like, what would... I mean, that whole movie is just, you know... Well, and I i would argue that Mohinder is more fun because he he speaks in a very unique way, which makes the jokes funnier. Right.
00:29:37
Speaker
Which makes it more fun to listen to. Mm-hmm. TJ Miller, he's funny, but his voice is kind of annoying. Yeah. He has a very distinctive voice. We'll cover him again when we talk about the Emoji movie.
00:29:50
Speaker
And that's kind of why. Podcasts, the Emoji movie. That's kind of why I'm glad that he ah was replaced by ah What's His Nuts um from but Brooklyn Nine-Nine on Invincible.
00:30:06
Speaker
Andy Samberg? No, doofy. Joe Latrulio? I'm just going down the gate. you wish. now I do wish. I love Joe Latrulio.
00:30:17
Speaker
No, me too, but no. um Jason Mansoukas? Jason Mansoukas. jason mansuke
00:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, he replaced TJ Miller. He's the the one guy on the teen team that's really, yeah, but in Invincible, he's the the jerk guy that turns out okay at the end.
00:30:40
Speaker
I mean, Jason Mantoukas is good at playing like very loud asshole type roles. And his voice is similar enough, but not as annoying as TJ Miller's.
00:30:51
Speaker
he He definitely has, again, one of those very distinctive voices. Indeed. Which helps him out quite a bit, I think. um So, yeah.
00:31:02
Speaker
And um yeah, fuck TJ Miller. None of those people are in this movie. No. Which is crazy. ah you know You know what's crazy is not in this movie, Tucker? Because this movie seems like it should have this person in
Barry Pepper's Versatile Acting Roles
00:31:15
Speaker
it. And I texted you this when I was watching the film.
00:31:18
Speaker
This movie feels like it it it should have Barry Pepper all over this motherfucker. Oh, yeah. I'd take some Barry Pepper for sure. For sure. Ooh, Enemy of the State.
00:31:29
Speaker
Come here, Barry Pepper. Let's hang out in Enemy enemy of the State. What's up? Battlefield Earth, Barry Pepper. pretty much every like Michael Bay movie in the 90s, Barry Pepper. What's up? I going Barry Pepper had a run right about this time. Like, late 90s, early early two thousand s Barry Pepper was at his peak.
00:31:46
Speaker
Barry Pepper's Craigslist ad is, are you Jerry Bruckheimer? Are you Michael Bay? Well, if you are... do you need it do you need a character actor to be your seventh person on the call sheet? Because if you do, I'm Barry Pepper.
00:32:00
Speaker
Perfectly. Here's the thing. Barry Pepper is i where is kind of one of those Wednesday bad kind of guys. i mean i love his look. He just looks bad. He's kind direction in Battlefield Earth, but he feels like he would fit right into what this movie, like the aesthetic of this movie.
00:32:18
Speaker
For sure, yeah. He is right there. like Give him some, he'd have dreads. I feel like he would have dreads. 100%. like And honestly, as good as McConaughey is here, if you need if if like he wasn't available, you i you can fucking bet Barry Pepper's the next person on your list.
00:32:33
Speaker
Look, it wouldn't be as iconic. No. But it would still we would still be talking about this movie. It would still be a movie that people would like. And here's the thing. It might have gotten Barry Pepper more work. Barry Pepper may have had a a McConaughey-esque rise shortly after that.
00:32:48
Speaker
Maybe. Because here's the thing. Barry Pepper's a very good actor. That's true. He's an insanely good actor. Rarely gets to showcase it, if you ask me. He is one of those guys who just shows up and shit.
00:33:00
Speaker
But you know, he's one of those guys when he does show up, you know you're in good hands because it's fucking Barry Pepper. He's in um Saving Private Ryan, I think, as the sniper in that movie.
00:33:13
Speaker
Like, he just he does. he just He was showing up and shit. He's in true the Coen Brothers' True Grit. He's in the green aisle as one of the guards. He was in that alligator movie in 2019 called crawl.
00:33:24
Speaker
He was the dad, ah that girl who was like caught in the basement. I did. It was pretty fun. I'm stuck in the basement with that alligator. um Like he is just, Oh, he plays Tom Ripley in a Ripley movie.
00:33:37
Speaker
He does. the the um I'd watch that. Exactly, yeah. like There have been a handful of Ripley movies, and he's the one the ones. I think they're running all of them on the Criterion channel this month.
00:33:48
Speaker
Hell yeah. like Even like the old, old one. like From the 70s or whatever. With Alain Delon? Yeah. there's I think they're running all those on the Criterion channel. I i you know i need to just be like slightly more well off yeah to subscribe the Criterion channel. Just ever so slightly.
00:34:05
Speaker
like If I $2 raise... I would subscribe to the Criterion channel. Here's the thing about the Criterion channel that makes it not quite worth it for me. I know that if I had the Criterion, like that I have streaming services that I subscribe to that I barely watch now.
00:34:19
Speaker
Yep. I know the Criterion channel would be one of those because I know that the only person who would ever want to watch anything streaming on the Criterion channel at any time in my household would be me. And so I would have to like, I'd have to like find out some middle ground with my partner to like figure out when we're going to watch something on the Criterion channel. We'd we'd have to come to some kind of agreement on that. But yeah. But yeah, Barry Pepper should a hundred fucking percent be in this movie.
00:34:48
Speaker
um It just, it just feels like a fucking Barry Pepper movie. I would argue most films would, would, could stand to have a little Barry Pepper in them. Most. Mm-hmm.
00:34:59
Speaker
I mean, yeah, he was he was on fire right around this time. I mean, he does. Saving Private Ryan is it's kind of his first big one in 1998. And then also in 98, he does Enemy of the State. The next year is the Green Mile. The next year he's the lead in Battlefield Earth.
00:35:16
Speaker
yeah um A couple years after that, ah in 2002, he's doing We Were Soldiers with Mel Gibson, twenty Spike Lee's 25th Hour. like he's He's having a bit of a time right now. And then he just kind of – like he does the Dale Earnhardt TV movie. Yeah.
00:35:34
Speaker
He does in 2006 do um Flags of Our Fathers, the Clint Eastwood film. couple years after that, he's in Seven Pounds, that Will Smith Oscar play. Like he's doing some stuff. But then after that, it just kind of a bit of a fallow period. The Coen Brothers True Grit movie notwithstanding. He does play one of the villains, it looks like, in the Gore Verbinski Lone Ranger movie. So we will cover that at some point.
00:35:59
Speaker
Oh boy, i can't wait. oh Oh, and he's in Monster Trucks also, a future episode of this podcast. Monster Oh boy, I can't wait. you You can't wait to meet Creech, I know. We all want to meet Creech. Do we, though?
00:36:11
Speaker
Barry Pepper does not play Creech in Monster Trucks. You know, I have another example um that I was just thinking about where I think Barry Pepper, it's a very Barry Pepper role, and they went with someone else. um i was thinking about ah ah I was thinking about Michael Rappaport.
00:36:26
Speaker
I was thinking about Michael Rappaport in Copland, Steven. I was thinking about him in there. And I thought, like, his performance is good, but that's that's such a Barry Pepper role. The cop that fucks up and everybody's trying to, like, and you have to see it.
00:36:41
Speaker
You got to see it. You'll agree with me. You'll be like, Michael Rapaport's great, but Barry Pepper. I generally like Michael Rapaport, but he's also very annoying. He's lot. find him, yeah exactly, and that's it. I feel like, and here's the thing.
00:36:57
Speaker
Like Michael Rapaport is – he will dial it up just two degrees too far most times. Whereas Barry Pepper always is at the – he knows – pun intended, he knows exactly how much spice to put on it.
00:37:09
Speaker
How to pepper it? Yeah. you know kind of He knows how to pepper it in just right, right? Like he knows what he, the man knows what he's doing. And it just, again, oh this feels like if there was a, if there was a ah ah Creedy-esque role for Matthew McConaughey's character, like if, if that guy had a second, that was not the girl, the like the love interest character,
00:37:30
Speaker
that would be Berry Pepper. Like you would get Berry Pepper for that. It just feels like one of those, like, we just, i don't know. We just kind of wrote him out of the movie. Like we had Berry Pepper on the call sheet. We just wrote him out. I don't know why. Like that it feels like that.
00:37:42
Speaker
Yeah. And you know, Stephen, as much as I would love to call this episode 234, Barry Pepper, I do have to ah do have to tell you that this movie makes me cry, Stephen.
00:37:55
Speaker
Does. This movie makes me cry and it has every time that I've watched it in the exact same spot. And I always forget that it's coming. And that's why it always gets me. It's when Gerard Butler dies and and and he turns around and he has to like deal with what he's dealing with, but he also has to make sure that these kids are okay.
00:38:15
Speaker
Right. And they start doing their little prayer, Stephen. Boy, I'll tell you, it gets me. It gets me every time. I'm like, that's straight up humanity right there, dude, man. that you got it Sometimes you gotta turn around and just fucking keep going, dude.
00:38:28
Speaker
Bale plays that so well. Oh, boy. Bale plays that incredibly well. It's kind of one of those, like, Again, if this if this were a bigger movie, that would you could almost say that's almost like a kind of like a star-making kind of turn there. He plays it so straight and so real.
00:38:49
Speaker
like He's just seen his best friend die. This guy who he's been in the shit with for so long. His brother. The only person that it would have made him sadder to die would have been his little orphan kid.
00:39:00
Speaker
Yeah. Legitimately, yes. And he He has to keep from breaking down. And what, what got me was not him breaking down, but everybody, all the other adults in the room stepping up to do what he had started doing.
00:39:17
Speaker
That's what really gets me when they realize that he's not able to continue, they pick it up and they carry it forward. That's, that's the part that really gets me is that this is not just a group of people who are together by happenstance. Like this is a family.
00:39:32
Speaker
Yeah. This is a group who belong together. um And yeah, I found that that that is a poignant moment to be sure. Indeed. I love, I love, i love the fact that they're in a derelict castle because again, it's that thing that threads this fun line that this movie has. And again, i love how well it walks this tightrope of...
00:39:57
Speaker
fantasy and science fiction. Like we're in this derelict castle, but we've got armaments, we've got tanks, we've got helicopters, we've got guns, not a lot of ammo, but a lot of guns, um you know, and in modern clothes, but they're tattered and they're worn almost like medieval peasantry.
00:40:16
Speaker
Like they're really threading that needle perfectly in the aesthetic, the lore, the world. And you know I'm a sucker for world building. like The world building in this movie is really solid.
00:40:28
Speaker
And it goes on for a surprisingly long time before the conflict is introduced. In fact, just the intro to this movie, just like the the ah prologue, basically, right which is you know Christian Bale as a kid and he goes to see his mom and then ah oops all dragons. In the not too distant future of 2004, I think.
00:40:49
Speaker
That's like 15, 20 minutes itself. Yeah. Well, i mean, you're paying out Kreege, so you might as well give her something to do. Yes. it did got that was free Another half hour before, like, at first you're like, oh well, these guys, they went out and, well, they, they went out and did the dangerous thing of getting the crops when they weren't ready yet.
00:41:10
Speaker
yeah Dragon came. You're like, okay, that's the conflict. We got to figure out, you know, how, know, How are they going to get food? That's what this movie is about. Yep. Nope. Nope. Nope. Guess what?
00:41:21
Speaker
yeah canno not The only thing worse than dragons, American, americans yeah the best fucking line in the movie. Here's the thing that really like, and I don't know, I don't think this was intentional, but it's like, this is 2002. So this is like the onset of the war against terror, like Bush's war against terror that he basically conscripts,
00:41:44
Speaker
England into assisting with. And it feels very much like, you know, we got all these Americans with the chip on their shoulder show up and they're like, we're going to fight your war for you. And in fact, we're going to steal your guys and you're going to join us whether you like it or not.
00:41:57
Speaker
Like it feels like a commentary on that, but it, but in the same way, maybe, maybe not because it's got a,
00:42:08
Speaker
I don't know, it's ah but it feels like there's that metatextual angle that may be accidental, but like england like America pulling England into a war it doesn't really want to go on the offensive for, ah just because we're allies, as it were.
00:42:25
Speaker
I suppose so, now that you mention it. um i I don't know how intentional that... Well, I don't know. I haven't talked about it that way. I don't know that it's intentional, and maybe it's not. It may just be completely coincidental.
00:42:38
Speaker
um And I was not able to find out a lot about the the writers of this movie. The initial script writers, Greg Chabot, I'm not entirely sure, and Ken Paterka,
00:42:50
Speaker
um i I don't know that they have a lot of other credits to their name. I think the only other movie that they have to their name is ah Greg Chabot has a video game called, or he's an actor in a video game called Mutant Rampage Body Slam from 1994. Yeah.
00:43:10
Speaker
And Paterka, Kevin Paterka is, he's in the editorial department for a short film called Chico and the People from 92. So...
00:43:21
Speaker
Oh, wow. This is kind of their only credits. And they wrote the script and sold it to, I think it was New Line. And then it was kind of reworked by Matt Greenberg in 2000. So they they wrote this in 96. So if there's any of that overlap there, it it feels completely unintentional based on what I'm reading here.
00:43:43
Speaker
I mean, it still works, though. Convenient, sort of convenient accident there. Mm-hmm.
00:43:51
Speaker
But yeah yeah, it's kind of one of those the you know light miracle things that happens. You be like that sometimes.
McConaughey's Method Acting on 'Reign of Fire' Set
00:44:00
Speaker
Alexander Sittig said in 2015 interview with the AV Club that an AD walked or a PA a walked into the makeup trailer while they were all getting their makeup done um and announced that if they see um Matthew McConaughey on set or out in the streets of Dublin where this movie was filmed, they were only to refer to him as Van Zandt.
00:44:23
Speaker
To which Alexander Siddig said, yes, and he can call me Elvis. And then he followed it up with, but he didn't call me Elvis. In fact, he never called me at all. which is such a great, great line, honestly.
00:44:37
Speaker
But yeah, this is like Matthew McConaughey, like wanting to get into like the, the method, like, Oh yeah, I'm so deep. care And maybe that was his way of keeping up with bail. Like you get bail showing up really scrawny, needing to bulk up to keep up with McConaughey.
00:44:50
Speaker
You get McConaughey showing up and like having to go toe to toe with bail. And they're both very good Academy award winning actors. um or i guess at this point oscar's on their way to eventually winning academy awards but like but i mean it's just you know maybe maybe they're each upping each other's games as um yeah as as they work together as they work off of each other like each one is kind of bringing out something in the other to help them step up a little you know yes dude i know what you're saying okay it's very interesting
00:45:27
Speaker
I have to sneeze now. Okay. That was a big one. Sounds like it. Golly. It sounded like it. i mean, it looked like it. Yeah, if you could have heard it. Wow. I may have deafened you if I... like I gotta do it again.
00:45:39
Speaker
Holy shit. Oh, that was lovely. Thank you. Thank you. Now, I can stifle my sneezes completely if I need to. Oh, I can too. It kind of hurts, but it can happen.
00:45:50
Speaker
But... The more I let go, the more satisfying the sneeze is. I find it doesn't stuff me up as much either, because a lot of times when I sneeze, i i get it's happening right now, I get stuffed up after I sneeze.
00:46:07
Speaker
um But if I'm loud, usually it doesn't do that, but not this time, because I guess i guess I'm just sick, Steven. I guess I'm just fucking sick now. I'm sorry to hear that, man. I guess that's it. That's the nail in the coffin right there, man. Ah, shit.
00:46:21
Speaker
Whatever. All right. Start the podcast again.
00:46:27
Speaker
I, I guess if there's a, this feels like an attempt to kind of thread a needle. Cause this is the year that the two towers Lord of the Rings, the two towers comes out.
00:46:41
Speaker
Really? Yes. Um, so it feels like there's this op, this kind of desire. Hollywood's like people love fantasy shit. Let's green light this and rush it through. um Without really understanding exactly what people like about those certain fantasy elements.
00:46:57
Speaker
um Like people loved the grand epic storytelling of Lord of the Rings. You can't just throw a fantasy thing into a movie and expect people to go for it, which I think is ultimately what happened here.
00:47:10
Speaker
um Which is not to say that this is a bad movie. I just think it's a misjudging of what people at the time wanted out of a fantasy I agree. I think it was ahead of its time.
00:47:21
Speaker
um It certainly, um as far as I know, is the mainstream introduction of CGI dragons, like everything else, like Smaug and Dragonheart and all other shit, but Game of Thrones, all came after that. Dragonheart came before.
00:47:40
Speaker
Did it? Well, that looked like shit anyway. so Dragonheart did come before. I do know that. What's interesting is I think why the dragons look so unique in this. And they look so good mostly because it's a very dark movie.
00:47:54
Speaker
And that's that's how you make things look better when it comes to CGI. um But i I also happen to know that this movie...
00:48:07
Speaker
was manually animated. Like, you know, when you animate digitally, like you have like points of these are, this is where the character is going to bring this part. And it, you know, it's kind of automated. You just put the, the points in where it needs to go and what it needs to do.
00:48:27
Speaker
Now, instead, these were they sculpted the models in clay, and this was the first time that they had scanned sculpted models into a computer to be animated, which is the same technology they used in the first Donkey Kong Country game on the Super Nintendo.
00:48:46
Speaker
Oh, okay. so yeah. So it was I guess it would be in movies then because they did it in video games before that because I was in the 90s. But anyway, this is the first time in CGI that they had done that for any kind of character.
00:48:58
Speaker
And they hand, want to say hand, but manually animated every scene. It was digital. Right. But they did it all frame by frame. And that's not something that has has was done then or is really done since.
00:49:16
Speaker
Hmm. Yes. So yeah you I, I just happened to read a little thing about that yesterday, Steven. I thought I'd share it. Cause I thought it was really interesting because I really do. I think the effects look great in this. It's so much of it is practical.
00:49:29
Speaker
A lot of it is Matt paintings, which look fantastic. And the CG, the dragons it's, it's Jurassic park, dude. It looks great to me. It's before it it's right. When CGI first kind of started out.
00:49:42
Speaker
So they hadn't really fucked it up yet. No, everything just looks too smooth. It looks too good. Right. Well, and I mean, you've also got Two Towers this year where you get the CGI application of Smeagol or Gollum into those films. And that is also another one of those great triumphs of CGI.
00:50:02
Speaker
And one of the, again, first instances of motion capture use in cinema. Yeah. As well. So, I mean, we're, we're really. Another technology from video games. Exactly. We're, we're taking those video game elements, applying them to film.
00:50:17
Speaker
And it takes, I think the right filmmakers to apply them correctly because applied incorrectly, they look like horseshit and age terribly, but even the elements of this, that age, I don't mind as much because they still kind of work.
00:50:30
Speaker
There's some green screen yeah stuff. Oh, but outside of that. Yeah. It looks fantastic. Yeah. And then that part at the end where Matthew McConaughey like takes that big ass axe and just goes diving into
Casting a 'Reign of Fire' Remake
00:50:42
Speaker
that dragon's mouth. like That's fucking cool. And like what did he expect? i'm Right.
00:50:47
Speaker
I do love that he gets eaten though because you see him do that and you're like, oh, he's going to take that motherfucker down by himself. Yes. Nope. He gone. Here's the thing. I think you could do, if you if you wanted to do something like this now and do a prequel, you know who you should cast in the Van Zandt role.
00:51:03
Speaker
Who? Jai Courtney. I thought were going to Barry Pepper. that's like oh No, I mean, you know I do like a little pepper on it. No, um no I think Jai Courtney would actually, like, he's got the look.
00:51:16
Speaker
Like, there were a couple moments in this where i'm like, man, Jai Courtney's good. Oh, no, wait, that's Matthew McConaughey. Shit. um But he's got, like, kind that kind of Jai Courtney look to him. Like, if you wanted to do, like, a Van Zandt prequel thing now, or even just a full-on remake of this movie, Jai Courtney as Van Zandt is your, that's your go. That's your get.
00:51:34
Speaker
And here's the thing. He'd do it. He'd a hundred percent. oh bad don't I don't think that guy's that picky. ah he He would, he would probably do it in a heartbeat. ah Now. yeah And i don't know. You probably get like my fucking miles teller or someone to play the Christian Bale role. i don't fucking know, but yeah. Yeah.
00:51:49
Speaker
Like that. I'd be, that feels like a good kind of trade. and Maybe you switch the roles. Maybe Van Zandt is like, you know, the, the British guy and, and miles teller is the American guy, the Christian Bale character is the American guy. Cause they're, you know,
00:52:02
Speaker
So Jai Courtney's Australian and and Miles Teller is American. So, yeah. And I don't know that Miles Teller is good in accents. and then And then, you know, just just just to just to just to season it up right, you get a little berry pepper.
00:52:15
Speaker
Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:20
Speaker
We love Barry Pepper around We do. We do love. Should we change the name of the podcast to the Barry Pepper show? Here's the thing. I would not mind covering Barry Pepper and his filmography. Could we do a Barry Pepper month?
00:52:36
Speaker
Uh, ooh, let's check. Let me, let me check Barry Pepper's film market. Cause here's the thing. i don't think he's in a lot of failed franchise starters. I really don't.
00:52:47
Speaker
Now look, um, Enemy of the State. I know that doesn't seem like it would be a franchise starter, but it is a Bruckheimer. So like, you know, if it had made enough money, it would have gotten a sequel.
00:52:59
Speaker
Here's the thing. We've already got two. We've got the Lone Ranger and we've got monster trucks. So we've got, I think we could probably make a case for crawl. Okay.
00:53:10
Speaker
Uh, the, uh, the, the, the, there's a alligator in our basement flood moving. um So we've got to find just a fourth one. I don't. and Now I want to check and see if Ripley Underground is a was an attempt to reboot the Ripley franchise. people I think all of those are unique because every Ripley film is not related to any other Ripley film. They're all just adaptations of one of the novels different different novels. Yes.
00:53:38
Speaker
So I don't really consider that. It's a franchise without being a franchise. It's like an anthology franchise where you get a fresh cast and continuity each movie. Yeah. I love that in the release and description of Ripley Underground on on Wikipedia, the last sentence of the of it is, the film is the least well-known Ripley adaptation.
00:53:59
Speaker
Is it? i I think I probably knew about this one before I knew that there was one like in the 70s. I mean, the other one you've got is Purple Noon, which is the um not ah ah which is the Alain Delon one. Yes. From 1960. You've got the American Friends, which is that's the 71 with Dennis Hopper and Bruno Gans.
00:54:20
Speaker
Yep. and Then the Talented Mr. Ripley with Matt Damon and then Ripley's Game with John Malkovich. Malkovich. Yeah. Malkovich. Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich. I don't sound like that. You do, actually. um the The John Malkovich, Bill Hader. Bill Hader, the Italian guy. Yeah, yeah. Malkovich.
00:54:40
Speaker
He's like, I can do you. i can do you. I love John Malkovich. One of my favorite Malkovich stories. We're just fucking tangential as hell this episode. Yay! You can tell we're filming this in the middle of a Wednesday afternoon after we've each had at least one beer.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yay! la is matt matt damon on the set of rounders he's they're doing a scene and it's the first day that malkovich is on set and everyone's like oh my god malkovich is here malkaovvi and he they they call action and you just starts doing the most ridiculously over the top russian accent yeah and then he calls cut and damon's just looking at him like are you serious and malkovich just leans in real close and goes i'm not very good
00:55:25
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Oh, I see. That's, you know, it's it's kind of like a Socrates thing, though, where he's like, you know, the smart people are the people who know that they know nothing. Maybe that makes John Malkovich a really good actor because he thinks he sucks because like he that his accent in that movie is so over the top.
00:55:42
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He's amazing. It makes his character scarier. Yeah, because he's a scary guy. And you're like, and why does he talk like that? Yes. That makes it more frightening.
00:55:52
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it's It's the same thing that Sam Jackson is trying to go for in the first Kingsman movie. And to my to my thinking, not as successfully. Yeah. successfully. I didn't see that one. i didn't see that one yet. But since I saw that one I liked from the same guy, I might look at it.
00:56:06
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you know ah you know You know, our boy Brett is a big fan of the Kingsman films. um i It hurt my heart a little bit to have to put the Kingsman on the list of upcoming episodes, but they're never making that sequel.
00:56:20
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um They set it up for one. ah That one does have Reishi Fonz as Rasputin, though. Oh, nice. And you know who is supposed to be the villain in the sequel, Tucker? Who dat?
00:56:33
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Adolf Hitler. Oh, nice. he was ah He was the villain. Well, no, he was the pretend villain in that Lupin III movie we watched. That's true. we That's true. It wasn't really him.
00:56:47
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we're not allowed't actually We're not allowed to have Hitler as a villain anymore because we don't need to offend half the country, apparently. Hey, we still get Jorma Toccon as Hitler if they ever put that ah second Kung Fury movie out.
00:56:59
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You saw that footage, right? You heard about this? You seen this? You read about this, Stephen? No. So there's a second Kung Fury film, a feature length Kung Fury film. I didn't even know there was a first one.
00:57:10
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It's a short film, but yes. um And a video game. But in that original short film, Jorma Toccon of the Lonely Island played Hitler.
00:57:22
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And he reprises his role in the feature length film that was shot like five years ago. But one of the investors like pulled out or like isn't letting it be released for some reason. Or so it's it's dumb investor shit.
00:57:36
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And it's just been sitting for five years. that's And Arnold Schwarzenegger's in it. Like, there's so many... that It's a big movie. It's a low-budget movie, but it's got a lot a lot of big people in it. That's the reason it took us so long to get the other side of the wind, was investor shit. Because one of the investors was the brother-in-law of the Shah of Iran before Iran got, you know, over that that government got overthrown. Wow.
00:57:58
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wow Straight up, wow. What's up, Kung Fury? Let's go. That's a conversation that Hope and I are going to have on our on my other podcast in about 20 years when we finally get to cover that movie.
00:58:13
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It's going to take forever. He's barely just been born. Yeah. Barely. we're We're on episode. We just dropped episode three yesterday as of the release of this episode. And we'll be dropping episode four next week as of the release of this episode. But we'll talk about that as we close up today. What else, Tucker, do we need to be talking about with regard to?
00:58:33
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me check the title of this episode. Reign of Fire 2002.
00:58:38
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Well, it's real, real good. and That's for sure. um I like their restraint and waiting until the credits to play a new metal song. I know it was very probably very tempting through most of the film, but they stuck with the score, and I applaud them for that because it works.
00:58:54
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You throw some Creed or some shit in there, it would have cheapened the whole fucking thing. But you popping it on the credits? I'm cool with that. No. Whatever, let's do it. down. absolutely inclined to agree with you on that point.
00:59:07
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um Yeah, New Metal was kind of all over the place at this time. And yeah, the the the restraint and discretion there, well done. Yeah, they could have very easily.
00:59:17
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ah The only song you get that's not score is fucking Hendrix. Yes. It's that score. I mean, although as the helicopter comes flying in, as the Americans come rolling up, I could have gone with some Creedence Fortunate Son.
00:59:29
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you You could almost hear it. It's there the background somewhere. it's It's not in the soundtrack, but it's in our hearts. We feel it. We feel it. um i mean that would have just that's kind of one of those songs that should be retired from being in movie soundtracks is fortunate like that and sympathy for the devil and house of the rising sun we don't need we don't we don't need fortunate son because john fogarty lives inside of every one of us that's true every one of us who call ourselves an american john fogarty lives and breathes in the beating hearts of every american man woman and child yes
01:00:03
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That's what it is. That's what it is. God bless you, John Fogarty. Let that midnight special shine the light on me, dude. Oh, let the midnight special shine the light on me.
01:00:18
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Oh, good stuff. That's one of my numbers number one jukebox songs. If I'm putting a song on a jukebox, that's going to be one of them. and That and Down in Mexico by the Coasters. Hmm.
01:00:29
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It's good jukebox song too, but only a very specific version. There's different versions. See, when I was in high school, and again, this speaks to more to who I was in high school, I did the John Mulaney thing. He tells that story about how he goes into a diner in Chicago and they load up the jukebox with What's New Pussycat over and over and over and over again.
01:00:51
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I would do that, but with Hansen. Mbop. I would just load up a jukebox with Mbop as a kid. That's probably pleasant the first two or three times. Yeah.
01:01:02
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After five or six, though? I think for me...
01:01:08
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It would get lost in the background for longer. That's why it would take me to notice. Like I'd write i'd be like, oh, this song. yay Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just kind of forget about it. And then I wouldn't notice that it had stopped and started over again.
01:01:20
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It'd be 10 minutes later. I'd be like, man I didn't know this song was that long. What is this? Is there like a, in it, a God of the Vita-esque cut of this song? Like what's going on? Is this the live version of Dazed and Confused that takes the entire side of an LP?
01:01:35
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Is that what we're doing? Is this Dick's Picks? Are we watching the Grateful Dead live? What's happening?
01:01:42
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ah Nope. Just Steven going hog wild on the jukebox. Steven, the easiest, the easiest job I ever had is I was the DJ. At this station in ah brown Brownsburg? brown brown Brownsburg? Is that a place? Yes, Brownsburg, Indiana. that's um i know I know people who live in Brownsburg.
01:02:03
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Okay, so they used to that there used to be a radio station there. It is now a Jesus station. yeah But it was a it was a deep cut station back in the day. And I did this show with this girl named Gretchen, and it was called The Grateful Dead Request Hour.
01:02:19
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Sorry, not our Gravement Request show. And um it was the easiest job I ever had because we'd throw on like maybe in two hours, like two, three songs. All live, like 45 minute versions the song.
01:02:33
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We go out, smoke cigarettes. We get pizza King from next door, you know, there's just fuck around the whole time. One of the few Doonesbury comics that I actively remember from when I was a kid, it was a Sunday one and it's like music is playing and this guy's like running all over the place and he's like playing tennis and he's, you know, out driving around and he, and then, um,
01:02:57
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And then you see him look at his watch in one panel. The next panel, he's walking in through walking, just casually walking through a door, ah sits down at a DJ booth, grabs a record and goes, ah that was Bach. Here's some Beethoven.
01:03:09
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Yes. Yes. And then just walks back out the door. Like just perfect. Perfect. Perfect. um it The best. Very sounds very much like that. You know what the best part of that job was though, Stephen?
01:03:22
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No. Is when our our show led in into Dr. Demento, dude. Not only is that an honor, yeah not only is that an honor, and one of the only times that a station in Indianapolis or in that area has carried Dr. Demento. Right. um But i got to turn on the transistor.
01:03:42
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ah in In the bottom, the the receiver in the basement, because it's a nationally syndicated show and you had to have a special kind of receiver and you had to tune it to the right thing and then you would get it and you would broadcast it.
01:03:54
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And so as Gretchen was wrapping up, I had my stopwatch and I had the receiver and in a certain time, she would fade out and fade Dr. Demento in And then I had to have it on and tuned and ready to go for her to fade it in.
01:04:12
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Nice. and It was very exciting. Analog shit was so much more fun. Steven, let me edit something on reel to reel, please. Garage band is cool. but have you ever like made music with razor blades and tape?
01:04:25
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Cause I have. Of course I have. Cause I have, but it's fun. like You know that I feel like you're, you asking me that is, is really, it's rhetorical yeah rhetorical and entirely rhetorical, but yeah.
01:04:36
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Yeah, man. Anyway, i don't, that's a way too long of a rabbit hole that I don't want to go down right now, but analog editing was fun. Kids putting together a film as a projectionist was a whole lot of fun and you get to cut stuff and you tape it together and you get to cut it again.
01:04:52
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And then if you're barking with chalk and if you're Tyler Durden, you get to put a big old peepee in there. That's true.
01:05:01
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Reign of Fire comes out in ju on July 12, 2002.
Humor in Date Confusions and Movie Eras
01:05:05
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A big, big, big weekend for movies. um Four new releases of which Reign of Fire is one.
01:05:15
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ah The number one movie in America this weekend, though, is not Reign of Fire or any of the other new releases. It's the second weekend of a movie I saw in theater, a sequel,
01:05:27
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to one of the great comedies of the ninety s Men in Black 2. Oh, oh that I'm sure you were very disappointed when you saw that. yep Man, that one sucks. Like, just from the opening frame, you're like, nah, this isn't, nah, fuck at all. What have I done? And I'm disappointed every time I rewatch it. What have I done? Why am I here?
01:05:47
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We're trading Vincent D'Onofrio for Lara Flynn Boyle and Johnny Knoxville. No slight to Johnny Knoxville or Lara Flynn Boyle, but yeah they are no, even combined, no Vincent D'Onofrio. Now that's bad CGI.
01:06:00
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Yes. Really bad. Yes. Barry Sonnenfeld, uh, You let us all down. Yeah, we still love you, but you pretty fucked up. We do. Everybody does.
01:06:10
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We have to love Barry Sonnenfeld because, again, he gave us three of the great comedies of the 90s in Adam's Family, Adam's Family Values, and Men in Black. Like, we we stand. And he's, you know, Wild Wild West.
01:06:23
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That one's, you know, And did he was wasn't he um he was the cinematographer, right? For the Coens, for their early film. Yes. Yeah. He's the cinematographer on Miller's Crossing.
01:06:36
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Blood Simple. He's the guy that that comes in to announce that Barton Fink has a phone call in the movie Barton Fink. Like that's he's he's their guy to start off with.
01:06:48
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And they know they were Raimi's guys like they wrote with Raimi. Yeah. Kind of all they're all connected there. Those two are really outliers. Hudsucker Proxy and... Miller's Crossing?
01:07:03
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No. What was the other one you mentioned? Blood Simple? You mentioned Blood Simple. Barton Fink? Maybe I thought it. Yes, Barton Fink. I love Barton Fink. Barton Fink and Hunsucker Proxy are...
01:07:16
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so different from all of the other Coen brothers films, but so alike each other in a lot of ways. They're kind of like fake playerers is the Top three Coen brothers for me.
01:07:27
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I would say man, man who wasn't there is the same, but it doesn't, i won it, it doesn't hit that absurdity until right at the very like last scene.
01:07:39
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So it's, it's, it's, so I think it kind of fits in with those two, but not as well as they fit in with each other. Right. Anyway, in in second place, a place filmed in my partner's hometown, a little movie called The Road to Perdition, starring Tom Hanks and Paul Newman.
01:07:58
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Apparently, when she told me that when Tom Hanks mentioned to someone, hey, nice town you've got here, it was literally front page news. The next day in the newspaper, Tom Hanks says, Moments, nice town.
01:08:13
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ah Filmed in Moments, Illinois, which is where the next season of the Ryan Murphy show Monsters was also filmed with Charlie Hunnam playing Ed Gein. Oh, word? Yeah, I think char i think farg one of the seasons of Fargo was filmed there, too. I think maybe season four, the one with Chris Rock was filmed in Moments also. Oh,
01:08:31
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is Is Deranged on the straight up list? Speaking of Ed Gein. Probably not. You know about this? You've seen this? You heard about this, Steve? I've spoken about this. I can guarantee you Deranged is not on the straight up list. I think we've got an opening coming up sometime 2007. Team? 2007? That was it, 27? 2027. Yeah, that's what meant. Good God.
01:08:51
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so a twenty seven twenty twenty seven yeah that's what i meant good god You know, I did notice on episode three, there was one point where you said like 2023 instead of 1923. Yeah.
01:09:02
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It threw me off for a second. and i was like, oh, wait. Okay. No. Okay. Yeah. 19. Okay. that's like um I I can slot that
Tom Savini's Makeup Legacy and Comparisons
01:09:10
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in. the the The nearest opening that we have that is not reserved for a specific kind of film, a horror film or a 2026 release is going to be July 2027.
01:09:20
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twenty twenty seven Do it. Do it. It's going on. Cause that's, that's Ed Gein dude. That was one of Tom Savini's first makeup effects jobs. Oh, you like that guy. i I have a complicated relationship with him.
01:09:33
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Yes. We've had our ups and downs personally. We've talked about that on our um episode on a night of living dad. He does seem to be doing a lot better now but from what I can tell. So I hope, I hope for him because that was a dark fucking period.
01:09:50
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To quote
Psycho Series and Podcast Invitations
01:09:51
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Dewey Cox, that was a dark fucking period for your boy Tom Savini. You don't want to be around that dude. No way.
01:10:01
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All right. It's on the list. It's Ed Gein, and it stars as Ed Gein. um the The old man from Home Alone, who's liking everything. Robert's Blossom from christ
Ranking Movies and Humorous Takes
01:10:14
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Christine. Yeah, dude.
01:10:16
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Yes, dude. And um you know who else would go on to play Ed Gein or an Ed Gein-esque character, an Ed Gein-inspired character? Norman but of Anthony Perkins? Tony Perkins in a little film series called Psycho.
01:10:31
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Yeah, dude. Dude, yeah. you still You still need to see those sequels. Well, you you see you need need to see two and three, Stephen.
Critiques and Praise for 'Reign of Fire'
01:10:38
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We're actually covering them this year on pod and the Pendulum, so I will actually watch all of them.
01:10:42
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Yo, I mean, look, I don't know. yeah the Also the Gus Van Sant remake as well. I don't invite myself to things often, Stephen, but I would like to be considered to maybe talk about one or a few of those sequels if possible. i'll run it I'll run it by Mike and Brian. That's Brian's pick for the year. so i don't know if he's got some guests lined up already or not.
01:11:06
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and number five That's fine. I'm not going to get offended, um but I'm just you know throwing my throwing my hat out there and be like, hey, if you want me, I'm there. I think I threw your name out for something else as well that we're coming out. I'll talk to you about it later.
01:11:17
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um ah At number three at the box office, this movie, Reign of Fire, the movie we kind of talked about. um In fourth place, um my pick for maybe the worst Halloween movie, Halloween Resurrection.
01:11:31
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i You know, it's tied with 5, I think. 5 and Resurrection are the worst, even though i dislike Enns worse than both of them. Enns is technically a better movie. 6 is pretty awful. I still haven't seen Enns. I cannot bring myself to watch Enns after the way that overended.
01:11:55
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Six is like Jason Goes to Hell, but it's charming. And you have Paul Rudd. how
'Reign of Fire': Financial Analysis and Sequel Hopes
01:12:00
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though jason goes I didn't either. second favorite one. lot of people really like that one, but yeah.
01:12:06
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Well, because it's weird, and it and according to the lore in that film, it makes Jason a deadite. Right. Because both the dagger and the necronomicon are in the Voorhees basement. Stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.
01:12:22
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In number five, it's the second, or so sorry, third weekend of the Adam Sandler comedy, Mr. Deeds. Oh, cool. People liked that movie. Yeah. starring ah Honestly, featuring a very good
Practical Effects: 'Reign of Fire' vs. Classics
01:12:31
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performance from John Turturro.
01:12:32
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um He's really funny in that movie, as I recall. I haven't seen it in a number of years, but I i do like Turturro in that. um At number six, the other new release for the week, ah the Crocodile Hunter Colon Collision Course.
01:12:45
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ah One that I'm kind of on the fence as to whether or not we can cover that one. ah Because it's technically a narrative film. It technically didn't get it. It's not, though. it's I think it's an actual narrative film. Oh, and he's, like, acting?
01:12:59
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He's acting as an exaggerated version of
Podcast Social Media and Support Promotion
01:13:02
Speaker
Yeah. So, I don't know. judy had some great kids, man. His kids are really really carrying on his legacy, like, in the best way. Like, they're really knocking it out of park.
01:13:14
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Okay, here's here's the premise for Crocodile Hunter, the collision course. The Crocodile Hunter mistakes some CIA agents for poachers and sets out to stop them from capturing wily croc, which unbeknownst to him has swallowed a tracking girl. Shut it down. Nope.
01:13:32
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Shut it down. Shut it all down. Shut all of this off. Shut all of these off. Okay. So I'm putting that one on the schedule for next week.
01:13:43
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I mean, it's got David Wenham in it. I like David Wenham. Oh, well fucking great. Ugh. Damn it.
01:13:52
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oh Why do we have to discover this movie existed? Oh, I've known it existed. this This honestly just renewed my... So now I'm no longer on the fence. No! it no We can cover it. um In third place or in seventh place, Lilo and Stitch, a movie that ah has already made over a hundred million dollars.
01:14:13
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I guess whatever. Who cares? In eighth place, Like Mike. What if a kid got shoes that made him like Mike? And his friend is the kid from Jerry Maguire.
01:14:24
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Speaking of the kid from Jerry Maguire, ninth place, we've got Minority Report. Hey, he's in that one, too. Yeah. Tom Cruise. Yeah, the the kid from Jerry Maguire. Tom Cruise, right. and Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14:36
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And in 10th place, we have The Bourne Identity. Hey, what if your identity was not hatched from an egg, but born from Born, hey. It was born.
01:14:48
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Born to be a life. born to be alive. Sorry, go ahead. Patrick Hernandez, everybody. Check that song out. It's real good. Oh, it is. Go see Cabin Fever 2.
01:15:00
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Maybe not that. ah The tomatometer score on this one is a 41%. Critics consensus, Reign of Fire gained some altitude with its pyrotechnic action and a smolderingly campy Matthew McConaughey, but the feature's wings are clipped by a derivative script and visual effects that fizzle out. Bullshit.
01:15:19
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No, all of that's wrong. Everything, that last part, the last half, wrong. Not even just like a a different opinion, just objectively wrong. ah The meta score on this one is 39 out of, based on generally unfavorable reviews from 30 critics.
01:15:36
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Tucker, care to take a stab at what the letterbox score for this film is as of this moment? I'm afraid. I'm afraid. Um...
01:15:48
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Oh, all the fire in this movie is real, Stephen, by the way. It shows, yeah. Like, just millions of gallons of propane and diesel put into the atmosphere so that we can see this. This movie does with fire what Sam Raimi Evil Dead movies do with blood, pretty much.
01:16:05
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There's like a whole section. There's just a whole section of the hole in the ozone layer dedicated to this movie. Yes. i did The Reign of Fire Memorial Hole in the Ozone.
01:16:18
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But it looks great. Don't think I don't know you're stalling, Tucker. ah Look, I don't know which way to go with this. Letterboxd is tricky, which is why we started this in the first place. um I'm going to say that this film has done better with reassessment than it did originally.
01:16:36
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So I'm going to lean higher and say it's going to be... but How high do I want to go? 3.0 to 3.5. Somewhere between 3 and 3.5. you You did what you did last week, only in reverse. You just made it. The score is 3.0 on That's fair.
01:16:53
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That is fair. And what are you giving this movie out of a possible five stars, Tucker? Steven, this is a four.
01:17:03
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And like I'm trying to think of a reason to give it four and a half, honestly. Because I really want to, but I just don't know if it deserves it. it's I just love it so much, though.
01:17:14
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You do. I think it gets the extra half star for being the kind of movie I don't like, but I really like it anyway. Four and a half stars.
01:17:24
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I gave it three. Fair. That's the objective score. That's objectively what everyone should rate it. like it's it's a general it's It's what the Blank Check podcast would call a gentleman's six.
01:17:35
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yeah like it's it is it is a It is a pure fun popcorn movie. I love the world building. The lead performances are a lot of fun, but there's not much else to it. um Which is...
01:17:46
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fine but again because it moves the pacing in this it doesn't matter yeah it runs right through all the shit exactly um two hours and it feels like it feels like a crisp 90. well i mean if if yeah for you for you maybe but yeah i won Not with the way you watched it, no. I won't get into it. I will not get into it. um But yeah, i mean it it's kind of I mean, it's kind of, I would say it's you know fine to good.
01:18:13
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um And I had fun. you know i ended this I feel like this, if you had told me this movie got, in fact, I had to look it back up and see that there is a section on Wikipedia that says, canceled sequel to know that they, this, if you'd told me this movie got three to five direct to DVD sequels, I would have no problem believing you because it feels like the kind of movie that did, you know, decent amount of box office. Speaking of box office, i should probably tell you how much this movie made and why it didn't get a sequel.
01:18:40
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But, um But like they did like a decent amount of box office and then just they just ran with it forever. Like someone got, you know, like a little bug up their butt about, oh, I can keep making these. These movies are great.
01:18:52
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And they just churned out like four or five of these on on direct to DVD. Yeah. um On a budget of $60 million, dollars ah this movie made 43 domestic and another 39 international for a total worldwide box office of $82.2 million. against, Stephen?
01:19:12
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what was the budget against steve The budget was 60 million. damn so Damn. Almost got him. Didn't quite get to the point where we would be able to to drain some sequels out of this. i think if I think if it had been a bigger hit on home video on DVD, we probably would have gotten those sequels.
01:19:30
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But as it as it stands, this movie feels relatively forgotten, culturally speaking. That's too bad. would like it. Which wild because it's... it's pretty fun.
01:19:42
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again, I'm not, I'm not saying it's a great movie. I'm not saying it's, you know, gonna be, you know, one of my all time favorites or anything like that, but no, it's, uh, it's pretty fun. Yeah.
01:19:53
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I like it a lot. so I like it a lot, a lot. And I would probably recommend it to just about anybody because it's, it's not offensive in any way. And it's just ah it's just a fun movie and there's some really earnest moments that work and, and when it's over, it's over and that's fine. It's, I think I'd recommend it to pretty much anybody.
01:20:13
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Absolutely. Yeah. And you get to see a Christian Bale shoot an arrow down the throat of a dragon. Yeah. And it looks so rad. And part of that is actually practical. some of the Some of the dragon stuff is practical. Not a lot of it.
01:20:26
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You can tell the stuff that is, honestly. And I think that's what helps the effects hold up as well as they do, is they do the Jurassic Park thing where they have the models and they're animating the characters they're doing the character computer animation based off of the stop motion that felt tippet. It's already put in place. Like it feels like you've got a mix of the two. And that's, I think when these things at this era anyway, work best.
01:20:51
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Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. So there you go. um That's it. That's Rain of Fire. We'll be back next week with another episode. But in the meantime, you can check us out on social media at DisenfranchPod. I think we're on Blue Sky, YouTube, and Letterboxd these days.
01:21:09
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01:21:24
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01:21:36
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01:21:54
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01:22:07
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01:22:20
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ah You can spend $5 a month and you can upgrade and receive ah bonus content, including monthly previews of what we're covering at the beginning of each month. What are we watching? Tucker and I just recorded one of those like...
01:22:34
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That's true. Last weekend. Yeah. So that'll be dropping, I would assume probably sometime this week or next, sometime soon. And, um and also episodes of unenfranchised, reenfranchised, not reenfranchised, it's a main fee, unenfranchised, distant five chised, and, um,
01:22:53
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What's the other one? Disenfranchised at the movies where the most recent one of those Tucker and a friend of the show, Evan Wilson covered the 2024 film, the apprentice with Jeremy strong and Sebastian Stan.
01:23:06
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So make sure you check that out. Patreon.com slash disenfranch pod. I'm your host, Steven Foxworthy. You can find me on blue sky and letterbox at chewy Walrus. You could also listen to my other podcast mentioned earlier in this episode ah with friend of the show, Hope Stow, formerly Hope Lichner.
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ah She and I are covering the the life and work of the great Orson Welles. It's called Wells University. ah we just, as I mentioned, dropped episode three. Orson Welles is born unto us this day.
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so be sure to check that out over wherever you get your podcasts. Again, ratings and reviews, much appreciated for that. ah You can find our absent co-host, Brett Wright. I think he's off storming a castle somewhere.
01:23:48
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ah You can find him on Letterboxd at sus underscore warlock. And nowhere else. Don't think about it, please. Tucker, where can we find you? You can find me on Instagram. I'm sorry. As the time is going by, I'm just progressively getting sicker.
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you just You need to like gargle some ginger tea or something, dude. so i don't know if you've noticed my decline during this episode, Steven. Not until just now. Really? Wow. Okay.
01:24:14
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um Eyes are watering. I feel really warm. um Anyway, Instagram and YouTube at Ice909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E. n i n e The number one and the number one. See, I can't keep it together.
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I-C-E-N-I-N-E. The number zero and the number nine. And also TuckMugs, Tuck underscore mugs. I don't know what's going on with it, but something is. And we'll all find out soon. Hooray.
01:24:44
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Yay. And so for the absent Brett Wright, the very present Tucker and me, your host, Stephen Foxworthy, until next time. um I don't know. Dragons are cool.
01:24:56
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And um Clive, or I almost called him Clive Owen. Gerard Butler is in a lot of movies with dragons for some reason. I'm the ocean. That's last week. No, dang it. I did it again. You did it again. Damn it, poop.
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Damn it, Tucker. Damn
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Bye.