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“You can’t escape it. It’s everywhere… but it’s merciful if you do what it says.”
With a sequel to M3gan coming to theaters, we’re discussing this “movie that does not exist” and, along the way, we also chat about our thoughts on AI, puppeteering in Little Shop of Horrors, the Denzel Washington ‘90s weird cop movie trilogy, television shows that dropped off HARD after their initial season, celebrity interactions on social media, ridiculously long song titles, and SO MUCH MORE!
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Introduction to Disenfranchise Podcast
00:00:20
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I love you. I love you. I love you. ah love you
00:00:29
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Welcome to the Disenfranchise Podcast, where that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:00:41
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I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me, as always, ah the the recent expat returned home from the Northeast to the Midwest.
Personal Stories and Humorous Anecdotes
00:00:54
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It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
00:00:56
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Hello, Steven. How are doing? I have returned. You have? I've returned to the motherland. I've retired. But home again in Indiana. Did you know, Brett?
00:01:07
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I don't think they have it anymore, but there used to be one of the interstates. I think it was 70. If you were coming east on 70, entering Indiana, they had the the road was um it had was ribbed for her pleasure.
00:01:23
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It was ribbed, but it was ribbed to where it goes... to do
00:01:33
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Like, as you're driving over it. Like, they made them so that like they were far apart and closer apart, like, to make the musical notes as you drove across them. I remember that, like, in the early to mid-2000s, maybe 2010s, but...
00:01:46
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But you had to be going like a certain speed limit in order for the song to timeline. Well, no, it just changed the key. As long as you don't change your speed while you're driving over it, it doesn't matter what speed you're driving. It would just be a different key.
00:01:58
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You want to know a fun thing about me that neither of you guys know because you've never made a road trip with me back into the state of Indiana? What? Every time I enter the state of Indiana, I sing Back Home Again in Indiana in its entirety.
00:02:13
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Oh, I just do one. I just sang Back Home Again in Indiana, but I do it as Jim Neighbors. Whole damn thing. but Do you do it as Jim Neighbors, though? No, I do it as i do it as Stephen, because honestly, Stephen doesn't have too bad of a singing voice when the song is in his range.
00:02:30
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ah Girl, we know that's true. And also joining me, the man who never left Indiana, because mean, just between you and me, listener, he's a homebody.
00:02:42
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It's our good buddy, Brett Wright. Hey, Brett. Hello, Steven. Let's not call it a comeback. Brett, it has been far too long since we've had you on an episode. We are beyond delighted to have you back.
00:02:55
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Look, man, your boy fucked up his foot and couldn't really sit at a desk for like two months. i heard. are you Are you back at work now or... yeah and after the episode yeah now i'm back to work i'm sorry and i hate it i was gonna that's that's why i said i'm sorry i've been saying it sucks i was off for like a month and then i'm immediately burnt out after a week it's fantastic i love it the one time i had fmla it was glorious and then i went back to work and it was suddenly not so glorious anymore and I'm loving every minute of a Jerry.
00:03:28
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but so I'm out there, Jerry, and I'm loving every minute of it. um We're back, ah friends. The whole gang is back together. and it's just like old times. We had a politically charged conversation before we started recording.
00:03:42
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And Tucker told us some stories about his his in and and outs and his happenings over the last few days. the layout of his current domicile. It's been a great time catching up with the boys.
00:03:53
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And now y'all get to catch up with the boys in honor of Mathregan
Introduction and Discussion of 'Afraid'
00:03:58
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2.0. We're talking about another movie about AI with a weird fucked up naming convention.
00:04:04
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We're talking about Affir otherwise known as Afraid from 2024. We will just refer to it as Afraid. will not. How dare you?
00:04:16
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I mean, if you're a DOSFX fan, you could say frigity frayed.
00:04:22
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um this The movie written and directed by Chris Weitz, the man who gave us a future episode of this podcast, The Golden Compass. That's the about a boy guy. That's the about a boy guy. yep And he's the brother of the American Pie Guy.
00:04:36
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hey Yeah, I never saw those movies. Really? know what I like, and that's probably not it. I mean, touche. Movies that I don't think have aged particularly well. I can't imagine it has.
00:04:48
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were Weren't a fan of like the teenage sex comedies? Like Porky's? No. i never really a lesser extent what hot american summer sort of but i mean what like where is a parody of those and it's a parody of those i do love all of the wet hot american in summers i love the original film i love the other film and i love the netflix series they're all fantastic especially the one where like it's a prequel but they're all 10 years older yep that's the best one love that one that one's great ah Michael Showalter doing his Ronald Reagan impression. ah
00:05:22
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Perfect. You got John Benjamin in there. Like you can't get wrong John Benjamin. John Benjamin playing the same character, but as a human now. um Amazing. He's not he's a can of vegetables anymore. You get to see Chris Maloney's descent into madness. It's so fucking good. Bradley Cooper is even back for that. That was the real coup is that they managed to get Bradley Cooper back.
00:05:43
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ah But then he got plastic surgery in the sequel and is played by Adam Scott, which I find really fucking funny. I'll bet Bradley Cooper finds that funny, too. I'll bet there was a point where it's like, oh, I'll come back.
00:05:56
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But then David Wayne was like, no, this is actually funnier. So we're just going We're just going to get out of scotting here because that's even funnier. it it it And it was, honestly.
00:06:08
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The movie also... The fuck are we The movie also stars Jon Cho, Catherine Waterston, daughter of Sam Waterston, in case you didn't know. The great Keith Carradine. Who didn't get enough screen time for no my money. No, fuck no, we didn't.
00:06:21
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Fuck no, didn't. I liked his character, but it was just kind of an open and shut book. You read the prologue and you read the epilogue, but like there was no actual book in between. Correct. Yeah, the and and the thing is he he would make a great framing device, but he's not. right For some reason, Ricky Lindholm and Greg Hill are our framing device for this movie.
00:06:42
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um We'll get into it. Also in this movie, Havana Rose Liu, Lukita Maxwell, David Dasmalchian, the great David Dasmalchian, Ashley Romans, and the aforementioned Greg Hill and Ricky Lindholm.
00:06:56
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Also, budget Tom Hanks, Todd Waring. What a cast. What a picture. You guys, I'm going to come out and say it. Please do.
00:07:06
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Like, straight up, this is one of the best TV movies I've ever seen.
00:07:13
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Like, this was a TV movie, right? Like, this wasn't... Yeah, it's called Smart House. It was made for kids on the Disney Channel. yeah Boo! Nobody cares. Get out of here, Smart House. I liked this movie a lot.
00:07:26
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I liked it. And I'll tell you why. Because not only was brief... was it brief Under 90. Under 90 minutes.
00:07:37
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The family drama works for me and all of the relate different relationships that the AI has with all the different family members. That all works for me. And also, I am terrified of AI.
Fears and Discussions Around AI
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let's Let's start there. I'm terrified. So that... automatically, like, as soon as this movie started and it was just, like, all AI videos and stuff, I was like, I'm gonna fucking hate this because that shit, not does it scare me, but it makes me mad.
00:08:03
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When I saw that, that was my initial thought, is Tucker's gonna fucking hate this shit. I thought, i think that maybe the people who made this movie feel that way, too. i That's the impression that I think a lot of creative people, unless they're invested in an AI company, looking at you, Natasha Lyonne, are probably a little...
00:08:23
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a little resentful or a terrified or both part of my problem with this movie. I have a lot of problems with this movie, but as part of the big one, was like, who who is this movie for? We all hate AI. What are you talking about?
00:08:37
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It's for me. I liked it. But but then again, like i don't think everyone does hate AI. There are the people that fucking invented and pioneered AI, the the students that are using AI to like write their essays.
00:08:51
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And like, I just literally, when I woke up this morning, I hopped on Blue Sky and saw in, you know, some tweet about someone, you know, saying that AI, like to to suppress AI is to um something about the, like ah to to promote the language of the oppressors or something like that.
00:09:10
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And I'm like, look, if you don't understand that AI is the oppressor, is the tool of the oppressor, then you don't understand art. um or the purpose of art or the the role of art or humanity even art is humanity though that's what I mean to understand art is to understand what it is to be human art is an expression of the human experience even outside of art though like the implications like I I mean i just kind of feel like shit's gonna get real fucked up real fast
00:09:44
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There is already AI videos that I didn't clock right away. Like, if there was a time where, like, I could clock an AI video right out the gate as soon as I saw it. But I'm starting to see more and more that I can't clock right away.
00:09:57
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And that's terrifying. And that's fucking scary. And I think what Homegirl's dad, her dead dad that was the professor or whatever... Discount, played by Discount, ah Tom Hanks. Yeah, Todd Ware. Yes.
00:10:11
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What he said... I think is is really quite true is that the the speed at which technology is advancing is too fast correct for humanity to handle, be able to process, be able to figure out how it's going to affect our lives and stuff like that.
00:10:38
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That's – I think that is extremely true. yeah where When they showed that guy talking about that, I was like, yeah, dude, that's why like everything – all the technology we have is fantastic, but it's fucking us up.
00:10:53
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Yeah. Because it's happening so fast that we don't have time to figure this thing out before the next thing comes out. And then we're still in this ecosystem, and you just stay there. And it's – oh, gosh.
00:11:07
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I mean there is – I think a reason why art is becoming more prevalent. Like, you I mean there's – Setting aside the entirety of Black Mirror, which is kind of its own thing, you also, I mean, the Megan franchise, Mathrigan franchise is like, again, the the second movie's coming out.
00:11:25
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That's pretty big. um But like, there's more of a concentration about movies warning us about AI as if science fiction has not been warning us about AI for decades now.
00:11:38
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Well, but I'll tell you what. They even name drop in this movie. Like, they name dropped 2001 in the movie. Yes, yeah. But the thing is, what for me makes... The pain is so heavy from the people that wrote this film. It's crazy.
00:11:49
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Well, and again, this movie, like George Lucas, does not understand subtlety. Let's talk her talk. Sorry, we talked over it multiple times. um It's okay. and so I was waiting. It's okay. um ah For me, look i didn this works for me. I will punch you in the dick, Steven.
00:12:07
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For me, this works because, yes, like ah science fiction has been warning us about AI for decades, literally decades. But...
00:12:18
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Now we have a taste of what AI actually is. So it's more relatable to like our everyday lives than something like T2.
00:12:30
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Right. Right. You know what mean? Like those warnings, like, yes, that's part of why I'm already skeptical of AI. But now that it's here and we know some of the things that can do, we can fuck with that in cinema and make it even scarier. Like this was for me, this was a very thrilling thriller outside of the forest. There was a few forest jump scares.
00:12:51
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But outside of that. I was thrilled during this thriller. Not quite ransom level thrilled. But I was thrilled. I was really good TV movie, ABC movie of the week thrilled.
00:13:03
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yeah Sure. And when you think about 2001, like, yeah, back then, like, you know, it was just, it was like a one-off sci-fi monster. Like we didn't really, right we didn't think anything like that would ever be real.
00:13:16
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Not back then. So, yeah. I mean, and the Asimov robot principles, like, i mean, AI has been kind of a staple within science fiction. for again, literally decades.
00:13:31
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Chicken and egg situation. Yeah. It's always been, but like I was saying, it's always been speculative. But it's pretty much until now. But is that speculation the reason it exists? I was going to say, I think straight up maybe there's there's something to be said for that, because these sci fi nerds that grew up watching Star Trek, that's where the cell phone, the idea for the cell phone came from. i mean, you look at the flip phone and that is literally the communicator from the original Star Trek series. Well, I think art and life are on, are just, it's an Ouroboros.
00:14:04
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It's just a never ending fucking circle. Art imitates life, imitates art, imitates life, imitates art forever and forever and forever infinity. Until we destroy ourselves, right? Yes. Yes.
00:14:16
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And, um and yeah. Possibly in my lifetime. AI is, I mean, here's the thing, though, that that's, I was about to say AI is one of the biggest threats facing, you know, art and culture.
00:14:27
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And then I remembered all the other threats to art and culture in our society right now. And just like, i mean, i of want to it's one of the big ones, but it's not the only, it's not the biggest or the only.
00:14:37
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And all of the threats, all of the threats outside of all and art and culture that AI poses ah shit like facial recognition. um my God. Like Brett was saying, it's hard to spot AI videos now, which they kind of touched on in this.
00:14:52
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with the i really yeah I really dug that whole thing. I thought that was really fucking cool. And I hated that dude from the note moment I saw him.
00:15:03
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And I felt bad for that girl in the entire fucking movie. One of my problems with the movie is, yeah, you fucking hate that guy. And when Aya kills him and like helps her, you're fucking, yes, fuck yes, let's fucking go. but like...
00:15:19
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I was. and I agree. what should have happened You should not be cheering for her to kill this guy. I agree with you to an extent, Brett, but I would argue, number one, that this film is just, it's very grounded, but it's just campy enough.
00:15:38
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To where not only is that not shocking or upsetting, but also some people, I didn't want him to die. Like, I think that dude sucked and he should have gone to jail or at least faced some consequences.
00:15:52
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You don't think death is enough of a consequence? No, no. what Here's the thing, though, is that instead of for you, you were rooting for him to die. i was becoming more afraid of the AI because it could do something like that to anyone and create that video that's like, oh, I'm killing myself. And like.
00:16:13
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Fucking nobody suspects the AI, right?
Theatrical Elements and Personal Experiences
00:16:16
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And I thought that was creepy as hell. Well, yeah. And like, i I wasn't rooting for him to die the whole time. But when the AI was like, he's gonna it's going to kill him. Like, I was like, all right. like i'm I mean, yeah. I'm not rooting against her to do that.
00:16:29
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But like, okay. We established this guy as a piece of shit. And how are we? I mean, it's a horror movie. Like, when a horror movie establishes a character. I would argue it's a thriller. Fair enough. When a movie of that ilk establishes a character as a piece of shit, there is this expectation that the audience will take some joy in his demise.
00:16:52
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I mean, slasher films are built on that premise. They are. And what I loved about this is there is only, well, there's only two deaths in the film. There's the the scummy boyfriend and when homegirl from Why the Last Man shoots a Polka Dot Man.
00:17:10
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our our Our main man, David Desmalchian. Yes. Those are the only two deaths in this film. But still, like it it had me on edge like more than something Far Gorier with more kills would. i thought that that like like i get I get why someone wouldn't like it. I understand why, Brett, probably you have problems with it. But I don't know. like I'm just scared enough AI to...
00:17:37
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of ai And I thought this movie was just good enough that both those things came together. i just had a really good time. I don't know if I'm ever going to watch it again.
00:17:50
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Well, and as usual, i don't I don't discount your opinion. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Oh, yeah. No, for sure. This is your usual tact. This is what you usually say. I'm glad that you liked it. Right. Yeah. appreciate you liked it.
00:18:01
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I didn't expect that reaction from you, to be honest. I honestly expected you to come out this show and talk this shit. just surprised as you are. But like, and I think that... I'm with you, fellas.
00:18:12
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Because the the twist that like, it's this AI that was born out of absorbing the entire internet made me roll my eyes so hard they almost popped out of my head. Big sin. Like, yes, the internet is terra a terrible, terrible place.
00:18:26
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We get it. Like, that doesn't... We've been on the internet since its inception. We understand. But the whole thing about that was like, because at the end, she's kind of like, oh, but...
00:18:39
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Like, I get it now. Like, I've watched your family and I've seen your reactions to this. It's specifically Jon Cho's character. um And she's like, I don't want to be a god. Like, I don't want be a villain or whatever. Like, I just want to fucking help people.
00:18:52
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And like, as much as I know that's not going to happen. Right. yeah i I liked that ending. I was like, this is nice. Like, some fucked up shit happened. A couple people died. But at the end of the day.
00:19:04
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somehow it's like it's like the the fella there was that documentary i saw about the guy ah the darker complected guy who would go talk to kkk members and like like one out of five times he would change their minds and they would quit and they would become friends it's kind of the same thing where it's like you love to see like something so intensely black and white sort of have a redemption arc.
00:19:33
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I don't know. And you, I mean, yeah, and you you want that to be true, but like you said, you know it isn't. Oh, I know it isn't. That's why that's why i loved, I liked this movie because it scared the shit out of me, but at the end of it, it was like, but it's alright, even though it's not alright, but it's alright.
00:19:51
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But is it? the thing It's like it's kind of like at, you know, at the end of a play, ah if it's like a scary play and people die, they all come out at the end and they they bow.
00:20:03
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Right. And so you're like, that was scary. But like, these motherfuckers are OK. It's why they said the original ending of Little Shop of Horrors, the theatrical ending of Little Shop of Horrors, didn't work in the film.
00:20:14
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Because, you know, in a play, you know the actors are going to come out and take a bow at the end of the movie. Or at the end of the play, in the movie, you just watch the entire cast of this movie get eaten by a giant plant.
00:20:25
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And I agree with that. And I love the original ending. its It looks so fantastic. That effects work is amazing. But I agree. theatrical version The theatrical ending works better for a film.
00:20:41
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I disagree. I can't agree with you there. As someone who has been in a play, staged version of Little Shop of Horrors. I was the plant.
00:20:55
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So was I. Well, I didn't voice act the plant, but I was part of the crew that worked the plant. I was the only guy working the plant. I'm the only person who has not been in a production of Little Shop of Horrors, and I'm the fucking actor.
00:21:08
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Isn't that fucking crazy? How does that fucking work? God, that's depressing. Steven, it's pretty wild because there's four versions. of the plant there's the first version which is just a small hand puppet and you're under a table right and it's when he's singing grow for me and eventually he leaves and it it comes up and grows a little bit right that's the first puppet just like very easy yes the second puppet is not operated by the puppeteer it's operated by seymour right because it's he's holding a pot and like his hand is it's a fake hand which is
00:21:48
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Which is funny because um the Seymour in my production was black and the hand was white.
00:21:59
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That's awesome. It was really funny. Yeah, that's that's and that's an interesting choice. But anyway, of the third one is when it gets big and you sit in a pie to sit in a pot cross-legged on a boat seat, like a fold-up fishing boat seat.
00:22:15
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And they lower the styrofoam pod on you and there's two metal rods that you grab onto. And that's how you move the mouth. Ours cars was different. we We didn't put all of that on one person.
00:22:28
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Like one person was one, there were like two vines that came off of the mouth and there was one one person on each vine and then the one main puppeteer that did the mouth. That's how we did it. Oh, well, in the in the last, in the final form, yeah, you were supposed to have more than one puppeteer.
00:22:45
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Oh, okay. The final form is where basically you're crouching down inside of the mouth and you have one bar and you're just pulling up the upper lip, basically.
00:22:58
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And then you have people when they're doing don't feed the plants where they have all the dead actors' faces are in the blooms. like Then you have big vines and you have other puppeteers and shit.
00:23:10
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But the middle one, like I had to wear leggings with like leaves and thorns on them. And like as I was performing the mouth movements, I had to like move my legs like they were vines and shit.
00:23:24
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It was hot in there, you guys. I remember I sweat my ass off. There's ah ah a YouTube documentary by a YouTuber. The channel is Wade in the Wings. And it's about the evolution of and the creation of the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. It's really going to put it in the show notes. Please Yeah. Like I'm trying to watch that right now.
00:23:47
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I mean, I can't obviously. I did not remember as aurge third, the third puppet. I thought you were on the last one. i guess. I mean, it was high school. I don't, my memory isn't that great, but. Yeah, it was, a it was a lot. And it was, ah we did a Ghostbusters reference on our final show. um The guy who was doing the voice, Monty, him and I, we used to do, just for funsies, we'd do the Walter Peck, Peter Bankman scene.
00:24:16
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and while like during practice while other things were going on we would just like do that just to entertain ourselves yeah and um during our last show um when seymour's like i'll go to the butcher and get you like the the fresh meat and he's like um he says you sure do drive a hard bargain But on our last show, dedicated to Walter Peck, when he says, you can have it your way, Dr. Pinkman.
00:24:48
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He said, you can have it your way, Mr. Krelborn. Yeah, because we're bad dudes like that. Nobody got but you two.
00:24:58
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Right. Listen the body like BFF for like a month, and then I don't think we ever talk to each other again. But yeah, we had a good time at the play, though. It do be like that sometimes with plays. it it as As someone who's been in several, it do. That's the one and only I've ever done, so I don't really know.
00:25:14
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You'd be making really good friends that like you never talk to again. Brett, I cannot begin to describe how on-brand it is that the only play you've ever been involved in is Little Shop of Horrors.
00:25:28
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i mean, you're not wrong. That is just like, it's almost like Brett heard, oh, my school is doing Little Shop of Horrors. I must be involved somehow.
00:25:38
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And then lost all interest in theater going forward. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. i wasn't i mean, I wasn't a fan of the hours and the work. So was like, I'm only doing this for the love of the game. And then I was gone.
00:25:50
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I mean, that's the only reason to do it. It's it's it's a laborious process. As someone who just finished a show that was like emotionally just i' an emotional train wreck from start to finish. Yeah.
00:26:05
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Yeah, it's it's it's a lot of work. It's really tough. I i had to break down and cry on a nightly basis for eight shows across um yeah seven nights, and it's it it's tough.
00:26:20
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And when you have to do it twice in one day, it's extra tough. And then the last show I was just so- You had a matinee? I'm sorry for you, Stephen. I feel bad for you. We had three matinees over the course of the run, but two of those matinees were it was the only show that day.
00:26:33
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And then one day we did the matinee and the follow-up. And that the show the next day, the Sunday show, that was our final performance. And during that- I when I broke like because I never quite knew when I was going to break. I had a moment where I usually broke pretty hard.
00:26:51
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And at that moment, I broke so much harder than I had in any performance before, partially because I was so emotionally exhausted and partially because it was the last show. And and I had I had never connected with a cast the way I had with this cast. And so it was just kind of one of those like.
00:27:09
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When I broke, I broke hard. Steven, you love those people you're never going to talk to again. talked to them earlier in the day. I love those fucking people. I'm teasing. Call back.
00:27:20
Speaker
Bringing the joke back. I know. i' Keeping the bit going, Steven. As you are wanting do. People love it. People love it when you bring it back. When you say the thing that was funny before and you say it again a little bit later. here's Classic. The right time is to – there's a timing thing. You have to do it when they've forgotten about it but still remember it. You've got to like ride that line.
00:27:42
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They're not expecting it, yeah. You've got to bring it back a little bit later one more time. Correct. yeah Possibly right at the end. Be on the lookout for that.
Discussion on Denzel Washington's Filmography
00:27:51
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yeah ah But let me bring it back to, yeah, I love a horror movie with a with the down ending.
00:27:59
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You do? I'm a much like what's-his-face in Clerks? Randall? Randall. It's on such a down note. Yeah, you like Empire because it ends on such a down note.
00:28:15
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Because for the longest time, Every single horror movie had, you know, the good guys win every time. Or at least a final girl that survives.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah. At least some hope, you know. Yes, hope. There's a little bit of hope. There's always a little bit of hope. But we need 1968 Night of the Living Dead. Everybody's fucking wasted and the world is going to shit ending.
00:28:36
Speaker
That's what Brett wants. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes you want the bad guys to win. And that is fair. Which is, in effect, how this movie ends.
00:28:48
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Which the one I always love to bring up, which nobody remembers, it's such an obscure deep cut, um is the movie Fallen with Denzel Washington. I've never seen it. i know it, but I've never seen it. It has one of my favorite twists in any movie ever, and no one has ever seen it.
00:29:06
Speaker
it's my It's my second favorite usage of a Rolling Stones song in a movie. Oh, yeah, they do. Because the first one, of course, is Stir of Echoes, painted black. Sure.
00:29:16
Speaker
But we reach back further in Fallen, and it's time is ah time's on my side. Time is on my side. Oh, that's the one with John Goodman. I need to fucking see that one. Yeah, we've seen that. Everybody, we've seen that. Steven, you've seen that. I haven't.
00:29:33
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stephen has Oh, damn. I've seen it. like I've seen Virtuosity. And so do I. God, I love Virtuosity in the worst way. it's I was going to say, I love it anyway. That's the only way to love Virtuosity. Speaking of like AI killers, Virtuosity. Look at that. Yeah, fuck. I forgot. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
00:29:53
Speaker
Russell Crowe as a AI serial killer. That is my first. I want to watch that. I've never seen that. You've never seen Virtuosity? Virtuosity it feels like such a Tucker movie. does, honestly. Dude, why haven't I watched it? That you have not seen it is honestly maybe the most surprising thing you've said tonight.
00:30:11
Speaker
In a series of things that are both surprising and unsurprising, this is the legitimately most surprising thing you've said. and that I'm probably going to go watch Versuosity after we get done. like It's on Fubo.
00:30:24
Speaker
And MGM Plus. Oh. Does anyone... Is that a streaming service anyone actually subscribes to? MGM Plus? Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Oh, God. Don't tell me, Tucker. Don't tell me you're subscribed MGM Plus.
00:30:39
Speaker
I don't. I don't. But here's the thing. um I think that it's commonly bundled with AMC Plus as, like, a channel on Prime. And, like, I did do...
00:30:51
Speaker
a trial of it and like the price is good for both of them but I just I watched Happen Leonard and then I was out like that's all I that's the reason I got the trial is so I could watch Happen Leonard because it's like a show you love ever fucking made that no one has seen you've You've mentioned it before.
00:31:12
Speaker
i So good. I will say it's very funny to me that there is this run of Denzel Washington movies in the 90s of him playing like a cop. with It's like a cop, but there's a twist. There's like the Bone Collector, Fallen, and Virtuosity. And sometimes Ashley Judd is there.
00:31:29
Speaker
Sometimes. Not always. That's what's crazy. is like That's what I know Denzel Washington from. like I don't know him from his like his more well-known popular movies that he's won awards for.
00:31:40
Speaker
I know him from Fallen and Virtuosity. And Training Day Day. No, because that's that's a movie he's won an award for, Tucker. So Brett wouldn't know that one. sorry yeah I just like Training Day. I only know the King Kong line. That's the only one know. King Kong ain't got shit on me.
00:31:56
Speaker
and Oh, damn, Brett. I didn't know you like to get wet. i don't That reference I don't get. yeah i don't know what you're talking about. PCP, Angel Dust.
00:32:07
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Sure. End scene. Brett Wright nodding politely. um But no, I mean, you got Virtuosity 95. You've got Fallen in 98 and The Bone Collector in 99. That's a good one too.
00:32:25
Speaker
that's That's the other one where he's like... That's date movie. Watch that with your dad. I was going to say, that one's on Tubi. You can watch The Bone Collector on Tubi. You can watch Fallen on apparently Fubu or Fubo or whatever. Virtuosity.
00:32:42
Speaker
I'm sorry. so Virtuosity you can watch on MGM+, plus the streaming service no one subscribes to. MGM is like rented on Amazon Prime like every other movie. Yes. Sure, yeah, sure, yeah. Sure, Brad, if you want to pay money. If it's worth $4.
00:32:58
Speaker
and what What movie are we talking about? Virtuosity. it virtuosity it's worth Okay, yeah, I'll rent it. It's worth four bucks. We'll see if maybe they'll give me another trial on MGM+. plus Maybe I can watch that and fit in another viewing of Happen later. you got You got Denzel Washington and you have Russell Crowe chewing the fuck out of the scenery.
00:33:17
Speaker
do like Locke. In the best way. In the best way. best I love movies that Denzel Washington's in because much more so than anybody else I could say this about, every movie that Denzel Washington is in is a Denzel Washington movie.
00:33:34
Speaker
Correct. You know what I'm saying? In the same way that Sean Connery. He puts some stank on it. You smell it the whole movie. Even when he's not on screen, you smell that stank.
00:33:46
Speaker
It's fantastic. but have but of One of our greatest actors, I will say. i i would I would be inclined to agree. i've not always been im not always in on what Denzel is doing, but Denzel is always committed, and Denzel is always there.
00:34:02
Speaker
You guys see Malcolm X? You see that shit? I own it, but I haven't seen it. I have the criterion 4K of Malcolm X. You probably want an award for that. That means I didn't see it. He was nominated. He didn't win. Okay, even nominated, I haven't seen it.
00:34:15
Speaker
I'm sorry. I feel like you've seen Malcolm X because once upon a time, Brett, I don't know if you remember this, but once upon a time, you and I had a blog called We Got Five on it. Sure. Where we did top five lists.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah. And I remember one time we did top five biopics, and I feel like Malcolm X was on your list. I don't know why it would have been I never seen it unless I was lying might it's possible that I could not come up with a fifth one so I just straight up lie you're like yeah man get your hands out my pocket yeah love that movie it's possible I don't remember that but it was also 20 years ago so I know wow not literally 20 years ago but would that we had known each other that long closer to 15 yeah
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah. No, I feel like if we closer met each other 20 years ago, we probably wouldn't have gotten along as well as we do now. I don't know. Maybe. You guys are friends. That's cute. was, well, I don't know. i was kind of a dick in my 20s.
00:35:12
Speaker
Same. That's possible. I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, bro. I've become a better person. You have. And I, for one, applaud and toast to your growth.
00:35:24
Speaker
Thank you. All I have is water, so. I have so much. I just spilled beer all over myself. Tucker has so much alcohol. Anyway, let's get it back to the eye.
00:35:36
Speaker
Wait, before we get there, this is the shot glass I was telling you about that has little mini dice in the bottom of it. And like you can roll them. There's three D6s in the bottom of this.
00:35:49
Speaker
And the shot glass says, shots build character. Shot for initiative, Tucker. I'm about to do one right now. That doesn't tell me why there's dice in it. I'm a little confused, but whatever. It's fine. Let's talk about afraid again.
00:36:05
Speaker
bread Damn, Brett. Sorry. Damn. I just want you to see what I'm drinking tonight. He's drinking my lort. Barrel-aged Malord. Why is the O Shrek?
00:36:17
Speaker
For the people who are listening, because those are the only people. who was going to say, other than the third of us. Steven accidentally recorded video last session, so if he didn't change the settings, I mean we could i could put together a video of this because it's all there as long as there's no pauses in the audio, which there's going to be soon because I have to pee so bad and we're only a half hour into this bitch.
00:36:42
Speaker
so Tucker, are you sure you're not pre-diabetic, bud? Because you're peeing a lot these days. The thing is, is that... You're peeing more than I am, and I'm actually diabetic. After I put the kid... ah First of all, I have the world's smallest bladder.
00:37:00
Speaker
ah Also... Not a thing, as far as I know. But go on. ah Check the Guinness Book of World Records. you know what You'll see next to world's smallest bladder. There should not be a picture of you, because that isn't going to help your argument at all.
00:37:12
Speaker
Not a picture of me. The definition of the world's small. No, it doesn't work unless it's a dictionary. Damn it. Bang, bang. No, the definition of an idiot, which you fucking are. God, what a great line that is.
00:37:24
Speaker
God bless you, Shane Black, and RIP Val Kilmer for delivering that fucking banger of a line. Damn it, Gay Perry. Damn it. I love Gay Perry. He's the best. You know, ah no, never mind.
00:37:39
Speaker
That's, uh, yep. for another time i appreciate your restraint tucker i don't know how much of this is being cut out where where are we coming back in are you we're still here brett i can hold it a little longer with i mean i'm going dude i thought you were at least going to cut out the part where you said you had to pee that's a little oh no no you know unless wait let me get my phone so i can time code this really brett unless we say
00:38:07
Speaker
like so we're like so we are recording this three days after the great gaylord sartain died r-i-m-f-n-p for sure correct we fucking love that dude so we're just assuming people aren't listening at all anymore huh i mean look it's a it's an episode about the 2024 film a fur i a i here's like here's the thing i that it's up You guys, I loved this movie, but I will admit there's nothing to say about this movie because like I said, it's a really good TV movie.
Critiques and Observations on 'Afraid'
00:38:41
Speaker
It's a it's a quick, you're in and you're out and it was pretty cool and a little scary and like there was some fun stuff and some cool dynamics, but it's not it's not really something to meditate on, I don't think of, unless we just talk about like how it portrayed AI and how much that fucking terrifies us.
00:39:00
Speaker
And the problems I had with it. Yeah, I can't wait till we get into that. Let's, let's, well, let's, ah do we need to take a pause for the call so Tucker can make his pee? Probably. I'm going to say, yeah.
00:39:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's good. You know, you guys, I haven't used a five minutes later in a while. Okay, let's put it in here. Sure. I think I'll use it right. Now, five minutes later. You guys, you wouldn't believe this.
00:39:28
Speaker
But about 10 minutes ago, I poured a whole shot in my lap, like while I was talking. I did not stop. I just kept going. I just rolled with it.
00:39:40
Speaker
But now, not only do I look like I pissed myself, but I just reek of bourbon. i mean very There are worse things to reek When you went to the bathroom, you could have changed pants.
00:39:55
Speaker
We would not have been the wiser. It's kind of making me warmer a little bit. It's a little tingly um my nethers. Tucker, it's about to get too warm the next few days. Oh, yeah.
00:40:06
Speaker
Luckily, I installed a window air conditioner unit today. um let's go And it has a thermostat, so I don't have to be like, ah it's too cold. I've got to turn it down. I just tell it the temperature I want.
00:40:17
Speaker
Fucking smart. Future Tucker is going to appreciate the hell out of that. Not as smart as afraid. Wait, you think this movie is smart? I actually want to get into... No, the AI is smart. I meant like the AI was smart.
00:40:35
Speaker
I want to get into some of Brett's issues in this movie because I think Brett and I have a lot of the same issues in this movie. Yes, please. Let's go, you Strong possibility. And if not, we can discuss yours too. um Dude, yeah.
00:40:46
Speaker
So some of them I've touched on it already. um How heavy-handed it is. Oh, it's, yeah. Very hand-fisted. And how... And obvious too, kind of. Well, yeah. hence my Rolling my eyes that it it sort of became evil because of the whole internet.
00:41:04
Speaker
Right. Because that's that's a cool conceit, right? That like an AI grew out of nothing. And they say like it came from, nobody knows where it came from.
00:41:14
Speaker
That's like, that's, that's like an internet cryptid. That's like, that's an AI that just grew on its own. and Except it's a fucking stupid looking AI cryptid, if I may say so. It looks like heating coils.
00:41:26
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, that is where that's really a weird design. but They took apart a space heater. Yes. Yes. I like the gooey mercury that came out of it when they shot it. It bleeds over goo. That was cool.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah, even though it doesn't actually die. No. because yeah It's a slasher. Slashers don't die. internet is everywhere. Exactly. Only if you destroyed every server in the world.
00:41:56
Speaker
The one thing I will give this movie credit for is it doesn't use the cloud as an excuse for things like we did in like the 2010s. Like everything was the cloud. Like, oh, I just pushed this button and it's in the cloud. She mentions the cloud at the very end.
00:42:11
Speaker
Because that's how she still exists. Yeah. She literally exists in the cloud. Like you can't you can't get to her unless, like I said, every server ever is destroyed.
00:42:22
Speaker
the only way you can get rid of her. Yeah. And, and it, and I wish that the way it controlled people wasn't just like by blackmailing them.
00:42:33
Speaker
Like the only, the only way that they can like, but like, but they act, here's the confusing thing. Like they act like they're literally being controlled by the AI. I didn't get that. I didn't get that when she, when the gal from why last man really needed a second season.
00:42:51
Speaker
Um, When she shot the the dude, the diabetes. He was diabetic. No, he was cancer. He was cancer. He was doing chemo.
00:43:02
Speaker
I did like the their little dig at like the the live forever like tech bro guys when he was like yeah i'm a fucking live forever bro biohacking yes yes but yeah like i didn't get that like why did that gal act like she even was like surprised and like horrified that she did it and it felt like she was being physically controlled by the ai i did not understand that part it was frightening maybe because i didn't understand it and i was so into the movie that i couldn't be annoyed by it
00:43:34
Speaker
I feel like if this movie had been better, they would have explained that, but it feels like they're going for, do you, and I, Brett and I were talking about this a little bit when you were pinging the first time before we were recording.
00:43:45
Speaker
Nice. um Before, before we started recording, does that, Tucker, did you see the, the Fox show, the following with Kevin Bacon and James Purefoy? And James Purefoy.
00:43:58
Speaker
Also ah straight up Sean. um He's a twin. He's in Quantum Break and Alan Wake 2. Sean Ashmore, thank you. And Sean Ashmore's in that show too. Or his twin.
00:44:10
Speaker
One of the two. One of those Ashmore boys is in the following. Also in the He Must Not Be Named X-Men films and also in Veronica Mars. and yeah Not Angel, no, Iceman.
00:44:22
Speaker
And also Solid Cop Show, The Rookie, that I've mentioned before. Yeah, with fucking Nathan Fillion. yeah My parents love that show. Oh, it's very much like a dad show. 100%. NCIS is is like not what it used to be, and so we're all in on The Rookie now.
00:44:42
Speaker
But like I love it because for that sea Nathan Fillion's there, and he invites his Firefly friends every once in a while. the following. andento so And we're like, yay, Alan Tudyk's here. the And also Valerie Curry. like there's There's a lot of good actors in that show, but the show itself is not good.
00:44:58
Speaker
I liked it. I binged all seven seasons when I was off on FMLA. I enjoyed it. you know The following? Oh, not the following. we i thought we the rookie. were talking about the rookie. What do you mean? I pivoted back to the following. don't fucking know. Tucker, you're trying to talk. I'm sorry.
00:45:13
Speaker
Go on. so i So I really enjoyed the first season of the following. Groundbreaking television. Groundbreaking. They only got through like three or four episodes. But then they just kind of fumbled it.
00:45:26
Speaker
in the second season and I just didn't give a fuck anymore. Oh, you mean they put all their time and effort in developing of the first season and when they they got renewed for a second they had no idea where to go? Interesting. Tell me more.
00:45:38
Speaker
Just like Wayward Pines. I don't even remember the second season of Wayward Pines. They made a second season of Wayward Pines? The first season of Wayward Pines is one of the best things I've ever fucking seen on television. Yeah, and they fumbled the second season so hard. Oh, they fucked it up. I was so bad. They were made for love.
00:45:54
Speaker
Made for Love, another sci-fi show that the first season is perfect television. And they they just, like, I feel like the second season, the writers, no shit, got into a room, sat at table, and they were like, how can we fucking ruin this so hard that no one will ever want to watch it again?
00:46:16
Speaker
How can we betray every relationship that we've set up? How could we like not follow through with any of the most interesting things in the first season and the second season?
00:46:27
Speaker
How can we make make this the worst season of television ever? and feel like a zero feel like Heroes is one of those shows too where they have a clear vision for the first season then afterward they're like, i don't know, try stuff?
00:46:41
Speaker
No, that wasn't their fault. That was the writer's strike's fault. And B, they weren't expecting the fans to attach themselves to those characters so hard. So they had to pivot away from the anthology they wanted to do.
00:46:56
Speaker
And they had they were forced by the studio to be like, well, you can't get rid of these characters. Everybody loves these characters. You have to keep them. Dumb! And that's why they went, i don't know what to fucking do. This wasn't the plan.
00:47:07
Speaker
So... Yeah, Steven, not everybody can coast through the writer's strike on Ghostfacers. Okay?
00:47:19
Speaker
It's a supernatural reference. Oh, yeah. i I didn't get very far in that show. So, no, during the during the writer's strike that we were just mentioning, um they just filmed an all-improv episode, handheld camera, like, ghost hunters kind of deal, and those characters became a big deal.
00:47:40
Speaker
They kept coming back. There are several Ghost Facers episodes. And, yeah, supernatural kind of... Outriders strike to the writer's strike.
00:47:52
Speaker
gonna have to take your word for it, I guess. It's good too. It's really good. I mean, you, you watched through season five, so you saw most of the ghost facers episodes. did i Here's the thing. It was so long ago and I don't remember any of it.
00:48:04
Speaker
Well, look here's the problem. Supernatural when you, when you binge it, not that good. Yeah, no, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta to let it digest. Yeah, you got to give it a week between episodes like you should.
00:48:17
Speaker
Because otherwise, like, why are you having the same conversation every episode? Brett, you were sounding a lot like Tucker right now. Yeah.
00:48:27
Speaker
Brett has been Tucker-pilled. I'm usually the one that's advocating for binging, like Severance. I watched season two of Severance while I was out on FMLA, too. And I'm glad I did, because I wouldn't have been able to keep that shit straight if I'd been watching it week to week.
00:48:41
Speaker
Oh, fair. I'd be watching the breakdown videos, though. I'm a Pete Peppers kind of guy where, like, I'd be watching the breakdowns and shit. I tell if you're not listening to the podcast, by the way, you should totally be listening. Fuck.
00:48:52
Speaker
Yeah, I keep seeing the ads are like, there's a companion podcast. I want to listen to the Hacks one, too. I'll bet that one's really good. Hacks is a good ass show. How many of those are hosted by Chris Hardwick? um Which one?
00:49:05
Speaker
Which Chris Hardwick? No, which are you talking about? How many of those companion podcasts are hosted by Chris? He was the for a while who was like for talking dead. He was talking dead.
00:49:17
Speaker
He was like hosting all of those like post wrap up podcasts. like No, Steven, these are hosted by Chris W.S. Hardwick. Oh, see. Different guy.
00:49:30
Speaker
Different guy. Not, not, not CT Hardwick. No, no. Both post-show hosts, both very different, though. I see. Interesting. Similar names.
00:49:41
Speaker
And the seventh one is hosted by Ben Stiller and Adam Scott. so oh Oh, fuck. yeah Way into it. and and then there's There's an episode for each episode of the show. They usually have somebody on that was like, ah you know, one of the actors i was a focus of that episode.
00:49:57
Speaker
am i gonna have to do a rewatch while i listen to this fucking podcast are you kidding brett it it helps yeah it's good it's fun if you have like i didn't figure out what my apple plus apple tv plus login is so i can watch that's why can finish watching seven i found the podcast after the fact uh mainly because i wanted to listen to um what's her name uh play brianna tarth stephen Oh, fuck. If I weren't so drunk, I would absolutely know her i don't know about them fantasy movies. She was Phasma in the the Star Wars movies. She was in a Star Wars
00:50:37
Speaker
yeah Which one? The first, the seventh and eighth one. Last Jedi and... Gwendolyn Christie. Gwendolyn Christie, thank you. Yes. Gwendolyn Christie.
00:50:47
Speaker
good Sounds like a... You would know her as the she was the head of the goat department. Oh, wow. Oh, yes. Oh, the gal from Game of Thrones. Yes.
00:50:58
Speaker
yes Yeah, that's what he just said. Well, no. i mean I named her character, not that she was in Game of Thrones. i should Yeah, I tried to forget Game of Thrones, honestly. I mean, we kind of all do. The fact that I had to live through it, and like not by my own choice.
00:51:13
Speaker
It was helpful that the person I watched it with was very into it, so that at least made slightly interested in it. You do like watching shows with people that are really into that. so you you like watching shows with people that are really into them and it was legitimately, it was like coming to it after the fact without all the hype around it helped.
00:51:30
Speaker
Watching it with someone who really enjoyed it helped. And that person being okay with you stopping before season six also helps. Or before season seven. Did it have eight seasons?
00:51:43
Speaker
I didn't watch the last two seasons. but I think that's where I stopped to I forgot what show we were talking about, if I'm being honest. we've gotten We've gotten distracted. We were talking about Severance. and Yeah, but there's not eight seasons of that.
00:51:57
Speaker
No. glad For Game of Thrones, there are eight seasons. hated that show. Yes, like so we watched season six. And then I chose to stop. I'm pretty sure that is also where I stopped also. And Ash was like, fair.
00:52:11
Speaker
We don't have to continue. Nah. I've seen Tadal, but you know what? I'm not dating that person anymore, so I don't have to watch that new shit they're putting out. I don't have to watch it. And every time I see it, I smile because I'm like...
00:52:24
Speaker
Fuck yeah, I don't have to watch that. House of Dragons. First season, really good. House of Dragons season one on par with some of the best seasons of Game of Thrones. so I watched like ah one and a half episodes and I was out.
00:52:35
Speaker
Season two. Well, I mean, you also, i mean, when did you watch Game of Thrones? Were you like in the thick of it at the time? i but after i I was watching it like after the seasons were like, like after this, after the season six came out, I watched season six and at the finale of season six, I was like, you know what?
00:52:58
Speaker
I did this three times with Game of Thrones. I was like, you know what? Now's a good time to tap out. And after season six, I'm like, you know what? I'm done for real this time. That's a very, that's a very Steve thing. there were There were moments... and well After Lost, I gave... because Lost was a sunk cost show from... And Heroes 2.
00:53:15
Speaker
I feel like Lost would be giving people PTSD. o Lost and Heroes were my two sunk cost shows. Where I was like... I'm deep into this. I've watched every fucking season.
00:53:28
Speaker
going to stick with it until the end. And I deeply regretted it. So after the finale of Lost, I gave myself permission... to if I wasn't into a show anymore, to just stop watching it, which is why I start and stop so many shows.
00:53:45
Speaker
And some shows people are like, oh, you should get back into it. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe I will someday. Like you do this to me all the time, Tucker. We're like, dude, you should watch that show or Brett will do that. It's like, oh, you should watch that show. And I'm like, I don't know. Like it, it didn't keep my attention long enough for me to stay with it.
00:54:02
Speaker
But then there are some shows where like i I may have tapped out too early and I would be interested in going back to that. Well, so so here's the thing that I'm learning with with my partner who is not into nearly as many things as I am as much as I try to get her into the things that I'm into.
00:54:19
Speaker
I'm right there with you, Brett. You've got to learn to let it go. yeah like That's why i don't really do that with you anymore because you've got to learn that some people are not going to like what you like. Exactly. No matter how much you tell them They're just not going to like it.
00:54:33
Speaker
Yeah. And the more you try to force it on them the more pissed off they're going get. My partner and I started a David Lynch watch through and we made it through two episodes of Twin Peaks before she looked at me dead in the eye and just said, I hate this.
00:54:44
Speaker
And this i putve in blue velvet because that's where I would have tapped out. That's so hard. Like it's, it's fine to have this mantra of like just letting that go. But when it's something you absolutely love right that they hate,
00:54:58
Speaker
That's hard. That's real fucking difficult. My single favorite television show in existence. And to have heard, like, just look at me dead in the eye and go i I really hate this. You know, I think I think I disagree with you, Brett, because I think the the further away your interests are, the more things that you can find in between.
00:55:22
Speaker
And that's two things. Yeah, exclusive. I would say that's that's what was so exciting ah when our mutual friend and I were dating is like we had completely polar opposite interests like After about four days of knowing her, I showed her Day of the Dead and halfway through it, she was like, I'm not I don't I don't like like gore and shit. Like, so can we fucking turn this off?
00:55:47
Speaker
And I was like, yes, yes, we can. Like, that is fair. And so, like, on those experiences, we would show each other stuff. And eventually it started coming.
00:56:00
Speaker
to the center where we would find stuff that like we knew what we liked and what we didn't like and we could watch things together that we both like just like based on those experiences.
00:56:12
Speaker
yeah You can stand, but and and the sign of a healthy relationship is that you can share the things you like with the other person and they will still listen and be attentive to the things that you like. Correct. Even if they themselves don't like them.
00:56:24
Speaker
And I think that's great. Because that's what we do. We found stuff that we both like. Same. Now, I mean, there's hard and fast rules. Like, I don't think I could date somebody that doesn't like horror movies.
00:56:35
Speaker
I think that would be... I was going to say that feels like an immediate deal breaker. Yeah, no, it's like you have deal breakers. Like there's certain things. Like loving horror movies is, I would say, not your entire personality, but at least half.
00:56:47
Speaker
Yeah. At least half of your personality. Yeah, the other half is Ghostbusters. Yeah, obviously. Which may or may not. I mean, you didn't count it as a horror movie for a long... I think I... I was the one who like convinced you it's a horror comedy?
00:57:02
Speaker
It's horror adjacent. So many people were like, what do you mean? You weren't the only one that I eventually gave in It was like, all right, fine. But there's a thing. she she loved like My partner loves horror movies, but she only thinks Ghostbusters is fine.
00:57:17
Speaker
so Brett, I'm counting this as gross. No, it like if she had now if she had done what she did with Clue and said it was hot garbage. Oh, no. How dare you? What the fuck? Go get her right now, Brett. We will this room we have a conversation.
00:57:37
Speaker
had a feeling you guys would have this reaction. You Brett. You fucked up, Brett. You done fucked up, A.A. Ron. There is no one that doesn't like Clue. That's like No, wait, nope, not going to say that. She the g A, does not care for that kind of comedy.
00:57:52
Speaker
Yes. And B. I'm so glad that you understand what I'm thinking. Does not like murder mysteries. So, yeah.
00:58:04
Speaker
Clue is. That is fair. guess. a fucking masterpiece. I mean, I. I will not, on a public forum, get into why I think she doesn't like murder mysteries, but like I get it. Sure. Knowing a few things about your partner and having met her before, I can i might be able to see why that's the case.
00:58:29
Speaker
Maybe. It is also a deeper thing that I think I've only recently figured out, but either way. Oh, okay. but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, though. No, i mean yeah I mean, it's very rudimentary base level stuff, but yeah. um I don't know her like you know her.
00:58:46
Speaker
let's beat like's Let's just say that. Yeah, fair enough. um i've met i've i've met I've met her twice. Sure. Once or twice. So, yeah yeah. I don't know her as well as you do.
00:58:57
Speaker
And I'm sure Tucker won't meet her soon now that he is in the States. Right. I was going to say, next time we all get together, we should get together with our partners and Tucker will just come by himself. Bitch, did you just say maybe?
00:59:07
Speaker
There's no maybe. Bitch! He though? but well you said bitch though He said though. He said it, though. He said it, though. He said it, though.
00:59:23
Speaker
Fucking key and peel. Legend.
00:59:28
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But but also like like said, though, she doesn't like that kind of humor either, I don't think.
00:59:34
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Compare the two, because I showed a clue. She thought that was hot garbage. And then she then I showed her UHF and she was like, I didn't really like that, but I get why it's funny.
00:59:46
Speaker
Oh, that's cool. i mean that's Yeah, I was going to say that's that's that's at least, yeah, I can appreciate that. no theres I mean, there's two styles of comedy there. i don' very And very different styles of comedy. Now, have you showed her Poodie Tang?
01:00:01
Speaker
I don't think she's. Tucker, she's not dating you. I'm just saying, I'd be very interested to gauge the reaction. Can we just, hey, ah Brett, can we have a Patreon show where we just show movies to your partner that we know that she's not going to fucking like?
01:00:19
Speaker
And then... then what might shock you is She might like one of them. and then you know Hey, that's the chance you take. you know sure like That would be a whole different thing. like that You're spinning the roulette wheel like Black or Red.
01:00:32
Speaker
50-50. That's our new Patreon show where we show Brett's partner movies that we're pretty sure she's not going to like. Yeah. like I'm so into that. Talk to her about it, Brad. Get back to At the end of the day, she likes horror movies and that's basically it.
01:00:47
Speaker
And I was going to say, that's that is that's huge for you though. Well, it is, but I'd also like to show her some other movies and have her appreciate them. and And I also have a partner with very polarized taste. like she she's She's the first person I've ever been with that will actively say, I hate this.
01:01:05
Speaker
whereas Whereas I don't have that that strong of a visceral reaction. to phil I'm like, that's not for me. I don't like that. That's not my thing. here's My partner has that visceral reaction, but she will not say it out loud.
01:01:19
Speaker
I didn't know heard that she had that opinion about Clue until she was a little drunk three months later at Christmas. oh Oh! So she didn't want to like tear me down like that at the time, and I can appreciate that. No, it's like Robert Brooks comedy right there in itself. I was going to say, I feel like that that that's key for you.
01:01:44
Speaker
Because knowing knowing some things I know about you and and people reacting to movies that you like... in the moment viscerally like that. i feel like she knows you well enough to know that you would not have responded well to that.
01:01:58
Speaker
Well, don't know it's that so much as that's just kind of person she is. I mean, but again, that speaks to your compatibility level, I think. Oh, yeah. We're just, we're really getting into relationship shit tonight. Yeah, man. AI sucks, doesn't it? No, it was real good. but What are some of your other issues with a fur? There's not much to talk about, really. fur AID, Brad.
01:02:21
Speaker
um My only other issue with the movie, now that we brought it back around, I mean, I was starting to get uncomfortable with the amount we were talking about, like, relationship. I'm pivoting away, Brad. Thank you. We'll back around.
01:02:33
Speaker
and i would more army me to If you would like for me to cut any of that out, we can discuss that later. No, no, it's fine. She won't listen to it. It's okay. um but But I think the only other thing I had a problem with is something that maybe you like, Tucker, is that it was you moved too fast.
01:02:50
Speaker
It went too fast. um Nothing was earned. I didn't feel connected. Very little of this movie felt i I will agree with you. But for me, i have the opposite reaction to that, that it moves so fast that like this was honestly, this was kind of a family drama, like within the skeleton of a thriller.
01:03:13
Speaker
And I really appreciated a lot of the character moments that we got. um And the fact that they pulled a lot of those off. So as well as they did, while keeping such a breakneck pace in this movie, this movie flies the fuck by. i mean, again, less than 90 minutes. This movie is short, but I would have appreciated more, like more character development, more, more exploration of those dynamics. And more of a slow burn of the AI starting and to get a little bit more insidious instead of just zero to a hundred.
01:03:45
Speaker
Not that I want this movie to be two and a half hours long, like every other fucking movie that's released nowadays is. Like, I love the fact that it's 90 minutes. But again, there are I agree with Brett. There are definite pacing issues with this movie.
01:04:00
Speaker
And my biggest problem there is. One scene. He comes home, says, we're done with this AI right after she is like, she's going to help me redo my thesis. And she's great. She helps me with all the kids. And I get to be a person and not a mom anymore. And, you know, there's this undertone of fuck you. How dare you tell me what you're going to do? And, right you know, maybe it can help you find some porn.
01:04:27
Speaker
Fuck off. And like there's an argument in the very next scene. She's the one unplugging it. She's like, this is fine. we have to you We have to let her go.
01:04:37
Speaker
like what? what What do you mean? If there had been maybe just two scenes in between those two, it might not have been that bad, but it's literally the next scene. Right. I will concede that all of your complaints are valid to the point that I also noticed these things.
01:04:57
Speaker
But this is just one of those movies that maybe it was that I had such low expectations coming in.
01:05:06
Speaker
I had a really good time with it. Warts and all. It's a warts and all movie is what I'll say. Again, that's fine. i Again, like like Brett said earlier, I'm glad you liked it. I'm glad you did. Well, I think that's what classifies it as like like maybe – Maybe this shouldn't have been released to
Comparisons and Invitations Related to 'Afraid'
01:05:24
Speaker
theaters. Maybe... like this Because this feels like a really good movie of the week, dude.
01:05:29
Speaker
On TV. like for This is fantastic. This is like it-level shit. Here's the thing that boggles my mind. This movie got released to theaters, but Prey got released direct to streaming. Right?
01:05:43
Speaker
This feels like a Netflix movie to me. Yeah. And this would be a perfect little Netflix movie. Which is, again, no slight... For 24 minutes with credits. Which, again, no slight to this movie, but that that feels like the space it's more built for than a theatrical release.
01:06:00
Speaker
And I think the box office bears that out, not to get ahead of ourselves. I'll go as far as to say that this feels like a um just slightly longer episode of an anthology show.
01:06:16
Speaker
Could have been Black Mirror episode. Like a Black Mirror. could have been an hour and without credits, that's an hour and like 10, 15 minutes. The problem. That's shorter than Pootie Tang.
01:06:28
Speaker
Speaking of Pootie Tang. ah We're always speaking about Pudite. Always. If you're not talking about Pudite, what the fuck are you talking about? The problem with it, the problem with the black mirror analog bread is I don't think it's clever enough to be a black mirror.
01:06:42
Speaker
And again, no slight to the writing. Chris Weitz, if you're, I heard recently on the blank check podcast that Chris Weitz, who is a friend of that podcast considers this a movie that does not exist.
01:06:54
Speaker
So Chris Weitz, if you came across this podcast somehow and are listening to this episode, you're, Come on the show. we will just we will We will hold our Golden Compass episode until you reach out to us.
01:07:07
Speaker
If you come on, we will discuss Golden Compass with you on the episode. Please come on the podcast. Oh, shit. That didn't get any sequels, did it? It sure didn't. That's crazy. And it's easy on the fucking list.
01:07:18
Speaker
That's, I mean, look, we play it fast and loose with the format at times, but that is, I can't believe we haven't done the Golden Compass. That's the epitome of a failed franchise starter.
01:07:29
Speaker
I think it's when we're saving for like a Christmas. Do we have a guest lined up? We don't. We're, you know what? We do have a guest lined up. If Chris whites decides to come on this far into this episode, got it right? Chris whites. If you've come this far, come on the podcast, please. And thank you.
01:07:45
Speaker
Should we like put in the notes? Like if you're Chris white, like just go to this point in the podcast so that we can speak directly to you. You don't have to listen to any of the rest of it.
01:07:56
Speaker
Send me the timestamp. And I will absolutely put that in the show notes, Tucker. a body I'm not even a little bit joking. I'm going to give myself I would fucking... look Chris White chris w writes once responded to a tweet that I made.
01:08:10
Speaker
And so I feel like we have a connection. Yeah, dude. You guys are practically brothers at this point. Deep in the replies to the Blank Check podcast where I was like, okay, like, Chris, what what is your Blank Check? Like, what oh what what what what movies in your oeuvre would you consider? And he had an incredibly well thought out and executed response.
01:08:35
Speaker
Wow, like he thought it, but he wasn't just like, yeah, cool, idiot. No, he was like, this is my check that cleared. This is my check that bounced. This is my, like, he had it all, like, metered out. Like, it was really, really thoughtful. Like, he had considered it.
01:08:52
Speaker
I don't know that we're friends, but I think I just, like, I sparked something that made him go, fuck you, here's this. You guys, speaking of friends, did i ever tell you about the time that I argued with Patricia Arquette on Instagram? Yeah.
01:09:06
Speaker
I think you have, but please let's talk about it again.
01:09:11
Speaker
we I love Patricia Arquette. I truly, truly do. We all love Patti Arquette. She's fantastic. Academy and Emmy Award winner Patti Arquette. We fucking love Patti. Come on the podcast. but it's No one is perfect, so no one's opinions are perfect.
01:09:27
Speaker
and I don't remember what the post was, but people were talking about like you know film criticism is a detriment to the industry and it shouldn't fucking exist. and like I presented a counter-argument And she she got a little shitty with me, if I'm being honest.
01:09:45
Speaker
And I was like, look, like I don't even care if you're shitty with me. i just want to tell you that you are rad. And it makes me sad that we're disagreeing. But you are so cool. And OK, bye.
01:09:57
Speaker
Brett, you ever had any celebrity interactions on on social media?
01:10:05
Speaker
I feel like maybe, but I don't remember. You guys, ah not to boast, but a couple months ago I posted that I was listening to Eternally Hard, an album by late 90s lesbian experimental group Bitchin' Animal, and Bitch liked my post on Instagram.
01:10:25
Speaker
got Not Animal, though. No, I don't know what happened to her, honestly. That's a bummer. Bitch is still around, though. Bitch is still doing stuff. i yeah I once tweeted that I found it ironic that big Real Big Fish's big hit was a song about selling out. And one of the horn section from Real Big Fish liked that tweet. Oh, wow. They got you, dude. Got him.
01:10:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Right. and I mean, if we're just talking about, like, people, like, famous people liking your stuff, I mean, that's happening. Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, as recently as my brief stint on Blue Sky.
Social Media Interactions and Influence
01:11:00
Speaker
I was going to say, it did last long. No. Because, again, you realize social media is the cesspool, and you just want out. Even Blue Sky, I ah can't can do it. um i'm the the the benefit of blue sky is that everyone kind of had a complicit agreement early on to block the shittiest people there sure so it's it's it's a lot better than every other social media app for that reason yeah which is why it's one of the few social media apps that this podcast is on
01:11:31
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah. But it was a post on Blue Sky um about how I appreciate that even nowadays newer emo post-punk bands are keeping the tradition alive of having those really long, ridiculous song names.
01:11:52
Speaker
right Oh, geez. And Young Medicine was the the one that I tweeted about. They're a fairly newer band, and they had a song called I'm Heading to Rock Bottom. Do you guys need anything?
01:12:03
Speaker
And this is the clincher. this is the This is the big thing, is that these long-ass titles... that they spend probably hours trying to be like so clever about have nothing to do with the songs. like these like Traditionally, like I'd say 90% of the time... That's a Pete Wentz thing. As someone whose partner is a big fan of Fall Out Boy, that is 100% a Pete Wentz thing.
01:12:27
Speaker
And to be fair, of the Young Medicine song I was talking about, A, doesn't have a ridiculously long title, and B, the song is about hitting rock bottom. So it's just a really, it's like one of those, it's reminiscent of the old school Fall Out Boy titles. Boy, I'll tell you, fans like... did it a lot too like yeah bands like brand new and um fucking autumn to ashes And all those other bands, like, they... None of those titles meant anything. it was so weird.
01:13:02
Speaker
And, like, I'm all about bucking the tradition because the tradition is, like, usually your title, like, either at least shows up lyrically or at the very least thematically in your song.
01:13:16
Speaker
But these song titles, like, just... It has nothing to do with anything. Again, Pete Wentz, man. It's just like, how clever can we like string a sentence together? I've seen Fall Out Boy live, and I would be hard-pressed to tell you too many Fall Out Boy titles.
01:13:33
Speaker
The last concert I went to was, in fact, a Fall Out Boy concert. i'm not I want to be clear. I'm not against it. I just think it's interesting that that was a thing for a while.
01:13:45
Speaker
and that it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm all for it. Please, please name your song some really long sentence that doesn't have anything to do with the song. There's been bands keeping it alive, and I appreciate it. i like yeah They liked that post on Blue Sky. Fuck yeah, dude.
01:13:58
Speaker
You love those guys. Yeah, and they're a really cool band, honestly. They've... they've They have songs based on pop culture, but like vague pop culture. Like they have a Lost Boys song.
01:14:09
Speaker
They have a song about Winter Soldier. like but like you wouldn't But you wouldn't know it's like a song about Winter Soldier except for some of the lyrics. You're like, is it this about Captain America?
01:14:23
Speaker
So, Brett, do you think that when Afraid is reassessed in like 10 years and this band is still around that maybe they'll... do a song about afraid once people like start to appreciate it for the fantastic television film that it is.
01:14:37
Speaker
Nah, but Einstein kills, mate. I was going to say that sounds like an ice nine kills thing. They'll they'll jump onto anything to get the horror fans. therere Those guys. I'm way into gimmicks and like I'm all for a gimmick like this currently speaking of AI, though, there is a current there's a rumor going around because they had a bit of a kerfuffle about of about AI usage.
01:15:02
Speaker
um And Spencer, the lead singer kind of doubled down on it. Oh, no. was like people thought it was weird like this doesn't seem like something spencer would do so we're kind of the fandom is kind of wondering okay is this like a megan thing are they going to do a song for the megan sequel because that's what's happening right now If they don't, it's a real bad look.
01:15:28
Speaker
So we're all kind of crossing our fingers and hoping that it is. Well, and again, like Natasha Lyonne said all this shit recently about like AI, but then it it it's become... it's become
01:15:42
Speaker
evident that she is a uh an investor in an ai software company so like she's got a stake in it but like by the same token like natasha leone you're an artist what the fuck are you doing she sold her soul to ai that's what that's that's the idea yeah yeah do you think her voice will get even raspier without a soul I honestly would be way into that.
01:16:08
Speaker
think it'll leave out. I love recipe voice on a lady. I think it'll leave it out. Well, that's too bad. love a rat I love a Kathleen Turner, you know. Kathleen Turner Overdrive.
01:16:21
Speaker
day that's ah That's a deep cut. but think YouTube got but I'm not sure anybody else would have gotten that. yeah I only got it because
Evolving Personal Tastes and Movie Trivia
01:16:30
Speaker
you made me watch that movie. That's from the Minecraft movie, right?
01:16:34
Speaker
Yes. Correct. I knew it. That's when they throw all the shit in the theaters when he says Kathleen Turner Overdrive. Fuck yeah, dude.
01:16:44
Speaker
Fuck yeah.
01:16:48
Speaker
And then Ted Robbins is there as like a stinky hippie. And they throw an air conditioner on his head. Yeah. but I mean, you want to talk about gross. Like that used to be my favorite movie. and It did. All of my look, yo, no, look, Brett, that's just like anything. Like when you're a young man,
01:17:08
Speaker
Like all the media, especially when you're a young, white, straight man, all the media is for you. So like it's tailored for you. So it's easy to kind of, you know, like poke that stuff into your psyche.
01:17:22
Speaker
I don't think that I'm going to reveal what the movie is we're talking about. I don't think that High Fidelity is a bad film. I think it's a wonderful film. But I just can't relate to it anymore. It's the same thing with like with like my favorite band in high school was Led Zeppelin.
01:17:37
Speaker
I got rid of my Led Zeppelin records because they were wasting space with my other records because I don't fucking listen to him anymore because I can't abide Jimmy Page's sloppy playing. That's just not who I am anymore.
01:17:50
Speaker
Yeah. Growing up is realizing that Robin High Fidelity is a piece of shit. Yep. We we still we have all those memories we had good times watching that movie. And we're glad we had him, but sometimes you just can't relate to a motherfucker anymore, and it's over.
01:18:06
Speaker
It's just over. Some movies are like that. But you can still appreciate the Jack Black performance in that movie, though. Yes, all of the performances in that movie I think are fantastic.
01:18:17
Speaker
Brett, you can be and are wrong. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. um also the the egregious misquoting of which army of darkness movie which evil dead movie they're talking about bothers me every fucking time yeah that that tracks if if i haven't seen if i tell you i haven't seen evil dead 2 yet does that imply i want to see it and then he mentions you know we talked about the guy making beretta shotgun ammo off screen in 1600s that doesn't happen in evil dead 2 that happens in army of darkness
01:18:49
Speaker
and i Well, that right well i bre look like you're right. But if I may put you slightly in your place in the original Ghostbusters, that Bible verse is not Revelation 7.12.
01:19:05
Speaker
No, it's in the Bible. It's a couple verses later. And the Tunguska Blast happened in 1908, not 1909. I know. Just like the Bible verse from Pulp Fiction is like half Ezekiel and half some Sonny Chiba speech. like to Sorry, I missed it. not I don't know why the one in high fidelity bothers me more than those, but like it just does for some reason. I don't know why.
01:19:32
Speaker
That's fair. that's fair i mean it's it's i will say it is on brand. but I mean, that maybe it's because it's more than just a line that you can like a bit of info or something you could fuck up. It's an entire conversation.
01:19:44
Speaker
Yeah. One thing that is very accurate, if I may point it out, um one of my favorite bands, Bell and Sebastian, is described in High Fidelity as sad old bastard music.
01:19:56
Speaker
And that is 100% correct.
Box Office Discussions and Film Industry Insights
01:20:00
Speaker
Love those motherfuckers. But yes, that is sad old bastard music. sick For sure. You do love those bastards. I do love those guys. Yeah, they're great. um Gentlemen, do we have any other thoughts on Affir IAID?
01:20:16
Speaker
No, let's move on to the box office, please. It was a little snack of a movie. like there's It was a snack of a movie. There's nothing really to say outside of what we said. This movie was released on August 30th, 2024.
01:20:30
Speaker
It opened at number nine in the domestic in the domestic box office. It opened to $3.7 million. dollars Stop, stop. He's already dead. Wait, wait, wait. Before you go any further, if I may say, something I was thinking about is how cheap it must have been to make this movie. i if this If this movie's budget is over $10 million, dollars I'm going to lose all faith in the film industry.
01:21:01
Speaker
Tucker. Witness me losing all faith in the film industry in 5, 4, 3, 2... or three two According to Wikipedia, the budget $12 million. I mean, I mean, that's not that devastating. That's close enough. That's not that devastating. had said like $30 million. mean, yes. would have quit the podcast if you told me this was a $30 million movie.
01:21:22
Speaker
No, but like according to the numbers.com, the dash numbers.com, the domestic box office poll for this movie is 6.7 million. So what earns over half of its domestic gross in its first weekend?
01:21:40
Speaker
And then the the international box office is another 2.3. So the worldwide is like $9 million. dollars And that's the the thing that's so disappointing about this is that's the point of horror movies. That's the point of thrillers is that there you can make them on the cheap.
01:21:58
Speaker
And people eat that shit up. Right. Like, what happened this movie? know you guys had problems with it, but this is not a movie that makes $4 million worldwide. I mean, they made a giant, fancy-looking supercomputer out of, like, toilet paper tubes. Paper towels. I liked that. I thought that was a cool twist.
01:22:18
Speaker
Of course you did. It kind of was, honestly. Now, I did kind of, as it was leading up to it, I predicted that since it was so easy for him to crush the grass glass that that was probably a decoy but i did not expect it to be like paper towel rolls and i was very into that into it i will say that the wikipedia list the box office at 14 million dollars so there is a discrepancy there That's still not like, no, I never saw any advertising for this, but it there's no way they spent less than $2 million on advertising for this.
01:22:52
Speaker
I saw very little. um Right, exactly. And so, yeah, between nine and $14 million dollars was the the box office gross for this film. It opens again, like i said, at number nine. Number one in its sixth week of release, retaining the number one spot is a little movie ah released by the Walt Disney Corporation called Deadpool and Wolverine. You know what?
01:23:24
Speaker
I watched that movie three times and I don't ever need to see it again. I've made my opinions on Ryan Reynolds abundantly clear on this podcast. I do not need to reiterate them again.
01:23:35
Speaker
you know that commentary is really good though.
01:23:39
Speaker
take your word for it. And it's on Disney+. plus You can listen to the commentary on Disney+. plus And I think Deadpool Wolverine is the ultimate culmination of the MCU up to that point, more so than Endgame.
01:23:50
Speaker
um But that's... I mean, that's not... That isn't entirely the compliment you might take it as. I was going to say, it doesn't sound... The way you phrase it doesn't sound like a compliment.
01:24:02
Speaker
Because, I mean, you have... Because it's also, in that same token, the epitome... Of you having to have watched literally everything before it to get some of the jokes.
01:24:13
Speaker
But I did, though, is the thing. And like you had not only did you have to watch every MCU movie and every Fox X-Men movie...
01:24:24
Speaker
But you had to watch motherfucking Daredevil. You had to watch Blade. You had to know that Channing Tatum was supposed to play Gambit. And like for me... And now apparently he's going to be Gambit going forward. To be fair. well yeah but i enjoyed him What I'm saying is... He was good.
01:24:43
Speaker
Deadpool and Wolverine... It's nowhere near like even my top 100 favorite films. Not even top 500. But... but It was exactly what it should have been.
01:24:56
Speaker
And yeah i mean, you can't deny it. No. is what walking I will deny it, Tucker. I can will. I can't wait until I can what you do thats what steve just fucking it is it is it's not a perfect film but it's that film perfect
01:25:20
Speaker
it was the number two It was the number two highest grossing film of last year. It was Deadpool and Wolverine. And we do love Hugh Jackman, though. Can we say we love Hugh Jackman? Huge what?
01:25:31
Speaker
Huge Ackman. mean, yeah, we love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. I don't love Hugh Jackman as much as I love Sutton Foster, the person he left his wife for.
01:25:44
Speaker
But, yeah. Well, that's awkward. Okay. Make it fucking weird, Steven. Hi, I'm Steven. That's what I do. I can't even comprehend that right now. Can we move on? i In second place, ah Alien Romulus, a movie I saw in theaters.
01:26:00
Speaker
Oh, was that the one with Danny Macbred? ah No. no No, that was the the the guy that did Hills Have Eyes. That was his. No, it's a dude that did... No, it's... People Dead remake. There you go. Look at those guys. They have similar names.
01:26:17
Speaker
Not Alexander ara Aja, but Fede Alvarez. There you go, yeah. And by similar names, you mean names that are foreign. I mean ethnic, Steven. No.
01:26:28
Speaker
Oh, shit. I'm kidding. we gotta we gotta to hit the cancel button could tucker cut that out no it's satire it's satire we're having a bit
Skepticism Towards Sequels and Pop Culture Reflections
01:26:40
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of fun it's satire the thing that most people say when they when they're on the verge of getting canceled no no satire no i'm a comedian who likes to push limits and sometimes i i miss come on y'all know me come on man in third place it's your In third place, one of two franchises to follow the alien naming convention. It's Twisters.
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What if there were multiple Twisters? yeah yeah I don't think I'm ever going to see that. And can I tell you why? also will never see it. The Independence Day sequel was so disappointing.
01:27:14
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Oh, I didn't even see that either. That's getting a legacy sequel. I don't give a fuck if Jeff Goldblum's in it. I'm not interested. oh I didn't see it, but my partner did, and she confirmed that it is basically just the first movie again. Well, if you guys want to watch it, I own it on my Vudu, also the original, so you can make it a double feature and be even more disappointed.
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You own Twisters? Independence Day. Oh, Independence Day. I never saw the second one because I heard that opinion. i was like, well, i don't want to see that. It's so bad. its It's worse than you could imagine.
01:27:45
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Here's the question, Tucker. It's the opposite of afraid. For me, it was better than I... It's not perfect, but it was better than I could have imagined. but you Go ahead, Stephen. Stephen a question for you. Tucker, tucker tucker tucker here's the question.
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yeah oh did Did you or will you ever see Top Gun Maverick?
01:28:06
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A film that was nominated for a Best Picture Academy Award. Can I tell you that i have jumped through so many hoops my entire life to not have seen the original Top Gun.
01:28:24
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Are you you know fucking kidding me? tucker You have to try not to watch that movie. High five. We're best friends. I've also done that same thing. What what's the fuck? Wait, wait. Calm down. Calm down, Steven.
01:28:37
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No! nope No, no, no. Look, and it's not because, like... Seriously, take a deep breath, Steven, please. I'm done. I'm done. I'm knocking over my statues on my my desk.
01:28:48
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Please spare everyone. and Spider-Man about took a tumble. Steven almost hulked out for those who... Don't get the blood pressure up. Don't do that. Yes, calm down, Mick. Heart attack number three! And i don't even remember what I was saying. What were we talking about? Gun. Okay, but so... You've been avoiding seeing Top Gun. And it's me in its entirety. I've accidentally seen bits and pieces of it.
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And it's it's not that I think it's bad or I'm against it. I just, like I said before... With American Pie. like i know what I like. Danger Zone is a sick fucking song. and for me... It's going to fade out.
01:29:33
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You think so? I rode the Top Gun ride at King's Island. I watched Hot Shots. Yo, Top Gun. Here's the thing. Last time I went to King's Island, I realized how much i had neglected top gun when banshee came out top gun is the solid what's not top gun anymore it's the bat but the bat is a solid fucking ride is like i forgot how good it was just because like better stuff came around and like i spent more time on that and i was like oh top gun it's such a long walk because that even when there's no line that's a long fucking walk like out into the woods worth it though
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And I didn't even realize that until last time i was there in like 2022. Went on a solo trip. I mean, that line was worth it when the theming was on point with it being Top Gun. But now it's just like, it's just just it is just a lot luck.
01:30:23
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Well, yeah. Paramount doesn't own the doesn't own the park anymore. So all the movie, the like the Face Off the faceoff coaster is no longer the Face Off coaster. The Outer Limits coaster is now just some generic bullshit thing. Outer Limits was so good.
01:30:43
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Greetings, listeners. It's me, Tucker, from The Thing You're Listening To. Unfortunately, at this point in the recording, my audio completely shit the bed and was lost forever. It's okay, though. You didn't miss much.
01:30:54
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We just talked about King's Island some more before proceeding with the rest of the films on the top ten the week of Afraid was
Conclusion and Future Invitations
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released. Gosh, I'm really sorry about this, but with a little editing magic, I've recreated the ending stinger.
01:31:06
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Sorry. See you next week. Let's do it. All right. This has been our episode on a fur AID. Chris Weitz, please come on the podcast. um I have been your host, Stephen Foxworthy. From my co-hosts, Brett Wright and Tucker, until next time, i love you.
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i love you. I love you.