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Episode 105: Talking "Spider-Man Lotus" with Gavin Konop and Warden Wayne!
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This week on the pod the boys "Spider-Man Lotus" with Director Gavin Konop and Spider-Man himself Warden Wayne! We had an absolute blast, the boys laughed all the way to the end. We hope you all enjoy the episode and we will see you next week!
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Introduction of Episode 105
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back everyone to episode 105 of the Popcorn Podcast. I just said popcorn, but that does not matter. I'm Tommy Cressa alongside me. My co is Ryan Farran, and today we have two very special guests. But first, Ryan, how are you doing this week? I'm doing good. How about you? Besides saying porn, pretty good so far this week. I'm nervous today. Dude, I'm stressing. We got two big guests with us today. I know. But how's the work been?
00:00:28
Speaker
It's been, it's been a lot. It's been busy, but you know, been leading up to Thursday, which can be Barbenheimer day, which I'm excited about.
Special Guests Introduction
00:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's going to be, it's going to be an event for us, but, uh, I guess we should introduce the two very important people that we have with us today. But before I introduce them, um, I thought I need to make this like a big entrance for them. This is a big thing that they're making right now. A huge moment in fandom and in fan films.
00:00:57
Speaker
But, uh, yeah, we have the director and creator of Spider-Man Lotus, Gavin Knop. Am I saying that correctly? Yes. Great. And Spider-Man himself, Warden Wayne. How are you guys doing today? I'm doing good. I think Gavin's doing good too. I was like, who says it first? I'm doing great actually. Yeah. Sorry. I'm doing good too. We're both doing good. Both doing great. Good. That's good. It's fine. Me and Ryan talk over each other every episode.
00:01:26
Speaker
That's not an issue but uh Yeah, we have I mean hundreds and hundreds of fans want to ask you guys questions about what could be the biggest fan film I think ever because Everyone is so excited about this movie and the trailer has 1.3 million views.
Creation of Spider-Man Lotus
00:01:44
Speaker
I mean Everyone wants to see it and the premieres can be huge I mean I'm so excited for you guys and I'm so excited for myself that I get to go out and watch it with you guys Which is gonna be a really fun event
00:01:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Well, tell everyone that's listening that has not made you guys anything about yourselves. Go ahead, Gavin. Okay. Well, I'm Gavin. I'm 19 years old. I started we started making this movie when I was about 16 years old. We filmed it during when I was 17 years old over the summer of 2021.
00:02:20
Speaker
We did not expect it to become what it is today, but it has been, and it's been the ride of a lifetime. We're so proud of it. It's really everything we ever wanted it to be. Back when we were first writing it, it was a little 15-minute short film, and now here we are with a full-length movie, which, again, unexpected. First movie right out of high school. Didn't exactly expect it to be.
00:02:45
Speaker
this huge roller coaster, but here we are, and I'm very proud of it, and I'm so excited for it to come out next month. Cool. My name is Warden. It feels like we're in a classroom. I'm Warden. I guess I'm not going to retread over what Gavin said, but yeah, we started making a movie. He talked to me about it. I'm an actor, and I also did some producing on the film.
00:03:11
Speaker
and a little bit of writing. I wrote one scene in particular, but besides that, Gavin and I kind of just came up with ideas together and then Gavin's the one who actually put it to paper. Yeah, just like he said, didn't expect it to become a feature. When I agreed to it, I didn't think it was going to be a feature either. But yeah, very excited, very proud of it, and still surprised that I got to make a movie with some of my closest friends.
Collaboration and Roles
00:03:39
Speaker
I don't mean to cut you off, but I didn't want to let him undersell himself. Warden's been like a massive component in making the movie. Honestly, it wouldn't be what it is without him. He was super involved in the script, super involved in even the making of the costume. Without him, it probably wouldn't be the quality that it is. He was very adamant on making sure everything looked really good. And every time I had a stupid idea, Warden would stop me and be like, Gavin, stop right there.
00:04:08
Speaker
Um, no, no warden, you know, I consider him the co-creator. I don't want him to undersell himself. He's more than just the actor. You know, he's been the second head of the project. So, well, thank you. You're welcome. That was so much nicer than anything me and Ryan have ever said on this show or in private, but no, I mean,
00:04:29
Speaker
I mean, Gavin, it's insane that you were 16 when this started. Me and Ryan, I'm 22, Ryan's 20. We're just filming our first short film in two weeks. That's stressing us out. You guys worked on a Spider-Man film that has millions of views that everyone wants to see, and you're a teenager wording your 20-something.
Becoming Spider-Man
00:04:49
Speaker
I'm 22, yeah. I didn't mean to say my age. I'm 22, yeah.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, that's, I mean, you're Spider-Man to a million people now. That's, that's one of the craziest things. Yeah. I don't think about it too often, but I do think about it. It's pretty, it's pretty neat. And it's fun. You have, you have some questions to answer about how it feels to be Spider-Man down the line. Some fans want to know the life, but, uh,
00:05:12
Speaker
Before we talk more into the fans part of it and the questions they have, I decided to come up with some questions of my own just to talk about your guys' film knowledge and your thoughts on different kinds of movies and everything like that.
Inspiration from Spider-Man 2
00:05:24
Speaker
Does that sound good? Okay, so starting it off hot, what was the movie that made you realize that you want to work in film or make movies of your own? Do you want to go first, Warden? Sure. My answer is easy. It was Spider-Man 2.
00:05:40
Speaker
When I was like five years old, I realized that I couldn't be Spider-Man in real life. Yeah. I couldn't be Spider-Man in real life. And I was at my grandma's house and I remember like sitting down and I remember I was like praying to God to like give me powers. I was like, please. And I never got powers. And I think when I was five, I realized, I was like, okay, if I can't be Spider-Man in real life, I want to like be in a movie.
00:06:05
Speaker
Um, so that's where it began. And then when I was 12, I started doing more local stuff, started getting into it more. Um, I became very recreational for me and fun. I would just do monologues, um, or write for fun. Um, and I've always been a huge movie guy. I was always more into the creative aspects of, of like school. Um, so never get a math or science or any of that stuff, but I love drama and, and, and writing and literature and rhetoric. Um, so.
00:06:35
Speaker
But five is when it first started. And then when I was 12, I started really trying to push for it and try to hone my skills and actually learn and study acting as well as want to do it. Yeah. For me, it was also Spider-Man 2. I mean, that's a shared thing between us. I mean, well, maybe it might've been Spider-Man 3, honestly. I mean, growing up, I watched Spider-Man 3 over and over and over and over again.
00:07:03
Speaker
Um, I remember my dad bought me like the muscle Spiderman suit. You could turn it inside out and be like, yeah, I had the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I'd wear that like every day. I remember like, I'd wear it under my clothes and like, so I'd look super buff and I'd like
00:07:20
Speaker
but I would reenact it all the time. I'd sleep in that suit. I can't imagine how badly it smelled. Um, and then like, even when I got to elementary school, like I would, every time we went on lunch or like recess or anything like that, I would reenact the Spider-Man three video game, like scene by scene. Like I memorized the whole thing and like acted out every day. Um, so I guess Spider-Man three, uh, and then like, you know, the long, the, the, the,
00:07:46
Speaker
the older I got, you know, similar to warden, you know, you start to commit a little bit more and it starts to become a little bit more real when, you know, I got to high school and I had access to a lot of, you know, equipment. And I was like, dang, you know, I can actually do this. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's very similar journey to warden. It's, I think it all came from Spiderman. Unsurprisingly.
Superheroes and Aspirations
00:08:06
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, and now you get to live it out, which is I, it's incredible. So congrats to both of you. Very cool. Thank you so much. Okay. Now, now to the,
00:08:16
Speaker
people I don't want to talk to. Ryan, what's your answer to the question?
00:08:22
Speaker
I actually don't know if I have one single movie that kind of got me into it. I think it was just the whole thing, like the whole MCU as a whole, I kind of got into like all those YouTube videos of like breaking down like comic book references and stuff. It just full on nerd mode, just watching all those YouTube videos. And eventually those turned into the more like film, you know, yeah, pointed YouTube videos. So I kind of got into like,
00:08:50
Speaker
breaking down how movies are made and stuff from that so i think it was just all the marvel movies as a whole kind of got me an image just from watching those videos as a kid yeah i i mean we're all on the same page i think superheroes have such a big effect especially on i'm your age when so spider spider-man 2 does not have as dear of a place in my heart as most people i do love the train scene i'm not taking anything away from that movie but
00:09:14
Speaker
The movie that made me love film is right behind me. It's The Amazing Spider-Man 1. And it was specifically the first time he's in the suit, and he's being chased by the police. He does the swinging scene underneath the bridge. I love that scene, dude. It's so cool. And it's all practical, which to me was mind-blowing that he's actually swinging like that. And then getting to talk to William Spencer, who performed that stunt was
00:09:39
Speaker
kind of like a full circle moment just for me being a little kid when it comes out and then being an adult working and talking about the movie with Bill in it. But then like even Daredevil, I adore that movie. I know not everyone's a fan. But like anything where I can see different kind of camera angles, different shots, different lighting, even as a little kid, I found it so interesting. So I think I think superheroes just have a big effect on guys, little like little kids. Excuse me. So
00:10:07
Speaker
Yeah, superheroes, I guess, bring us all together, which is pretty cool. Moving on from that question, this is a question that me and Ryan had a conversation about the other day driving to go see the new Insidious movie. And what was the first movie you saw that you walked down and you're like, man, I guess not all movies are good. Like there are bad movies out there.
00:10:29
Speaker
Oh, man. Devin, do you have an answer? Honestly, that's so difficult for me because I grew up like loving every movie I watched until, dang. I always loved going to movies. No, go ahead. Do you have one? Yeah, I do. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:10:46
Speaker
I didn't, I really, really didn't like the first Suicide Squad when I watched it. I'm sorry. I just, I remember just really not enjoying it at all. I didn't like the villain. What was her name again? That chance to hit you with the movie. No one can remember. I don't remember her name, but I remember the thing that like struck me the most when I was watching it was when she was like talking to Rick Flag and she was like, you don't have the balls to kill me. And I was like, what the hell?
00:11:15
Speaker
But I remember walking out of that movie and being like, damn, that was not awesome. For me, I remember back in the day, 2017, whenever Baby Driver came out and Blade Runner came out, which I think was 2017, 2018, I was going to the movies once a week because I think AMC had, every Tuesday, it was $5 for a movie. $5 movie. Yeah. So I was going to movies every week. And I don't remember the title, but it was some movie with Ed Helms and
00:11:45
Speaker
Who's the, Kevin, who plays Mobius? What's his name? Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson, not Mobius, Mobius, Mobius, yeah, you're chilling. It was some movie with Ed Helms and Owen Wilson, and it was so bad. I don't know what it was, they were brothers, and I remember just, I would just go watch whatever movie that I hadn't seen yet, I guess, in theaters. Don't know what it's called, but it's some movie with their brothers, and it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
00:12:11
Speaker
That's a fair answer. It was really rough. And then another movie with Christian Bale called, which is rough because it was Christian Bale, but it was it's not Red Dawn, but it's some movie where he gets he's a he's a prisoner of
Disappointing Movie Experiences
00:12:23
Speaker
war. No, it's just really rescue Dawn. Rescue Dawn. Yeah. I did not enjoy that movie. I was really excited to watch it when I was kid because I love Christian Bale. And I'm watching. I just wasted like two hours of my life. But those two specifically. Yeah. No, Ryan, what was yours?
00:12:40
Speaker
mine was um x-men apocalypse because i saw that my dad took me to see that as just like a fun because i had watched i had like binged all those movies because i had like a snowstorm or something school was canceled so i watched all them and i mean x-men first class is a banger that movie's great so i was so pumped to see this new one my dad took me to see it and it's the only time it was the first time me and my dad walked out of the theater and he just went
00:13:06
Speaker
Man, that movie was a piece of shit. The most were like, God, that sucked. That's so funny. Yeah. I mean, mine's not much better. I was. I loved Batman and Robin for years, like adored them. And that movie is awful. Like I cannot watch now without shutting it off, even if I try and watch it for laughter.
00:13:25
Speaker
But when I was 10 years old, I went, so Mars needs moms. And I walked out of that movie and was like, this is the worst thing I've ever watched. Lips didn't match up with the timing of the of the of the line, the whole movie. And I was just furious. I was 10 years old. So I was like the first house, like, oh, movies can be bad. And then eventually I realized Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy wasn't the best role I've ever seen. But yeah, I think Mars needs moms. I think we all had valid answers.
00:13:56
Speaker
But movie on the question. My paper fell. OK. If you could make a movie with your two dream leads, your dream director and your dream cinematographer or composer, who would they be and what genre would the movie be? Dang. That's a deep question, but I like asking these kind of questions. We should work together on this answer because I don't know. What actors would you choose? So it was two actors, director and cinematographer.
00:14:26
Speaker
Dang. I would love to, if I could, I could choose. Let me see. Um, Hmm. I love Jake Gyllenhaal. So maybe Jake Gyllenhaal and shoot. I don't know who I could, who I could agree. I love, well, I like Mark. I know. I love Martin Freeman. I don't know. You don't like Martin Freeman as much as I do, but I love Martin Freeman. Um, I don't know if they'd be good leads together. Um,
00:14:52
Speaker
Roger Deakins for sure, for cinematographer. I love Roger Deakins. Christian made me fall in love with Roger Deakins. He's so good. He's the GOAT. He's so good. He's insane. I love Denis Villeneuve's movies. I love his stuff. I personally, dude, I love a great Gatsby director.
00:15:16
Speaker
Oh, Baz. Baz Luhrmann. Everybody hates him. I love the guy. I think his movies are perfect. They're perfect movies because they take advantage of the film medium so well. The entire story is told through the visuals with his movies. I think his movies, they put things
00:15:41
Speaker
They're so easy to follow, because they're visually very appealing. You can follow it the whole way through. Also, I mean, this is kind of generic, but I got into Wes Anderson recently. I should have gotten into him a long time ago. Same here. But honestly, I got into him. And I love, dude, I love it. And very similar to Bos, they tell the stories are very easy to follow with them. If you miss a beat, I think they'll loop you back in, and you don't feel lost. You know what I mean?
00:16:10
Speaker
Well, yeah, one of those two, and I grew with warden's actors. Uh, I think the actor from, um, James Bond, Daniel Craig, I think he'd be, I think he'd be really good with Jake John Hall. He would be good. That's a good fan. What would the genre be? I'm a big, I'm a big Western guy. Gavin is not a big Western guy, but I love Cowboys and all that stuff and bounty hunting and everything in that genre.
00:16:36
Speaker
That's what I would take. I love that. I mean, you know what? I could settle for that. Like, I feel like that could be like the Western that gets me into Westerns, you know? Daniel Craig and Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah. That'd be cool. Damn Craig's done a Western to Cowboys vs. Aliens. Cowboys vs. Aliens. Has Jake ever done a Western?
00:16:54
Speaker
I don't know if Jake Stone, but I will say Cowboys vs. Aliens is an underrated movie and I watch it religiously once a year. I still have not seen it. I really want to watch it because I love Daniel Craig and I love Cowboys, so I'll have to watch that soon. Yeah, it was my awakening that I realized like I don't want to play with toys anymore. I saw Olivia Wilde in that movie. I was like, this is the best thing that has ever come across a movie screen. But I wanted to ask you, you just brought up You Love Westerns. What is your favorite Western?
00:17:25
Speaker
Um, I love three 10 to Yuma with Christian Bale and uh, what's his name? I love Russell Crowe. That's one of my favorites. Um, I like some of the old school stuff with, uh, with, with John Wayne. I used to, I used to watch John Wayne cause my mom loved him growing up. So I like him. Um, I just watched true grit the other day. I liked that one a lot. That was enjoyable. There's one that I saw. I can't remember the name of it. Um, what's the one I love the magnificent seven.
00:17:54
Speaker
That one's a fun, super fun movie. Um, and obviously Django is probably my favorite. I loved Django. I think that's the most serious Western I've seen. Um, cause, um, the magnificent sevens has a bit of, uh, you know, like comedy and modern modernism on it. The Django is I love Django. Um, so those, those three, I guess. Yeah.
00:18:19
Speaker
Would you have you seen? I'm sorry. I'm leaving the two of you out of this conversation. Have you seen Tombstone? No, I really want to watch Tombstone. That's in my that's why in my top 25 like films ever continuously growing. I need to add that really quick.
00:18:37
Speaker
Now, you know, Westerns, you do. I think Westerns, especially like more recently, have definitely lost some of the joy behind them, because I feel like so many people try and make them and they're not as good. But I think the heart of they fall was a really good comeback to Western filmmaking, like not filmmaking, Western genre movie. That sounds so stupid in my head. I don't know if that sounded right on camera. Yeah.
00:19:05
Speaker
But yeah, no, I think that's a good right. God, man, I'm struggling. It's a good step in the right direction. But Ryan, what about you? What is your answer to your dream movie?
00:19:17
Speaker
I think I saw IGN posted this thing today that Nolan had said that he's done with superhero movies now. He said there's just been too much, but he said specifically that Star Wars is still on the table. And that just got me racing like, oh my gosh. A Nolan Star Wars movie would be so good. I couldn't imagine what he'd make. After Interstellar too. That's perfect. Oh yeah. You know it would just look incredible.
00:19:43
Speaker
He would absolutely send someone to space. And that leads to my next point, the actor, Tom Cruise would love to go to space. Awesome idea.
00:20:00
Speaker
It'd be great. I like the idea, Ryan. It'd be fun. I'm kind of, I feel like I'm just going off a warden and Gavin's answer now. My director is Denis. He's my favorite director of all time. I love every movie he's ever made. I just showed two of my buddies prisoners for the first time. So good. Which I'm starting to understand might be my favorite movie ever. I love prisoners.
00:20:23
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's just it's really well made. And Jake, Joan Hall and Hugh Jackman give incredible performance. Phenomenal. Yeah. But Denis is my would be my director. Greg Frazier, I'd probably pick as my cinematographer. We'll change it up a little bit. And then Pattinson, I love him and everything.
00:20:45
Speaker
I can't say Gyllenhaal now. You guys stole that. Wait, Papi and Gyllenhaal would be awesome, though. That'd be so sad, actually. Yeah, Panz and Gyllenhaal and I, the cop thriller, hunting down a serial killer. I think that's just perfect. That's a good idea. What the heck? Damn. I know. I want them to do a true detective. Write that down. Write that down.
00:21:04
Speaker
If you guys come up with that movie next, I swear to God, I'll get lawyers involved. It's just not for sale. Sue us. Yeah, I just got a got a text to me next week and we'll make it. But going into our next question, if you could join any TV or film cast or crew, what would it be? What project would you want to be a part of?
00:21:27
Speaker
Dude, you want to go first? No, you can go. I'm thinking. I was going to say, I feel like it's kind of generic, but I feel like the Stranger Things cast or Cobra Kai cast would be really fun to hang out with. You know, like I just I feel like they have so much fun on set and I feel like they all get along really well. So Cobra Kai or Stranger Things, I feel like we, you know, we get along pretty well.
00:21:48
Speaker
I would love to work on Superman and Lois. I love that show. That'd be super fun. I think Tyler Heklin will be so fun to work with. And I love Jordan or Alex Garfin plays Jordan, probably Superman and Lois or Mandalorian, just because it'd be fun to be a part of the Star Wars universe. And some cameo, not cameo, some like small role, you know, that'd be cool.
00:22:13
Speaker
It's a good answer. Both good answers. I love Cobra Kai and I love The Mandalorian, so I like both the answers. Ryan, what do you want to be a part of? I think I might go, not just because it's one of my favorite shows of all time, but I might have to go with Peaky Blinders. I love Peaky Blinders. Just for the clothes, dude. That was so fun, dude. I love Peaky Blinders.
00:22:36
Speaker
That's a good one. That is a good one. Yeah.
Dream Movie Projects
00:22:39
Speaker
I want to join the bear. I want to be work on that. Great show. I'm told to watch the bear. Jeremy Allen White. Amazing. Next, he's going to be one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. I think he gives some of the best performances in Shameless and The Bear. And now he just needs to get in the film because some of the movies he's done. Poor choices, I think, that he's not poor choice. But the roles he was getting were not for great movies. But I think after The Bear, he'll get some.
00:23:06
Speaker
I love him as an actor. I love how intense his face looks. I don't know if that's the proper way to describe it, but he looks so rugged and heavy. His face is always just beat up in a way. You know what I mean? I love it. He's so cool.
00:23:22
Speaker
You know, Ryan knows I have a deep love for Jeremy Allen White. He's one of my dream people to have on this show. So yeah, I think the bear is probably the one. But these next two questions are the final two we have. I would say these are the most difficult questions to answer. So I hope you guys are ready for this. So first one, what do you guys think are the top three movies ever?
00:23:48
Speaker
Not your favorites. What do you think are the best movies? Oh, man. Not my favorites. I've got your favorites. Okay. Well, it might be my favorites. Let me think for a second. If they are the same, the next question is, what are your top three favorite movies? Gotcha. Dang. Okay. I'll try to think of something that's just really objectively just good.
00:24:13
Speaker
Ryan, do you wanna go first while they're thinking? Yeah, you should go first. I gotta think too. Okay. I'll go first. Okay, you go first, you go first. I would say The Departed, Shawshank Redemption, and Goodfellas, I think, are the three best movies of all time, but not my three favorite movies of all time. That's a pretty, pretty valid one.
00:24:34
Speaker
I kind of want to go with most impactful or revolutionary movies. I would say Star Wars, the first one, Empire Strikes Back, Back to the Future. I'm trying to think of movies that actually changed the game for everything coming forward. You can really see it. Spider-Man changed the game for superhero movies. Spider-Man did change the game, for sure.
00:25:00
Speaker
I don't know if I'd say it's like I'd put up there with like some of the most. I mean, I don't know. It kind of did kickstart a lot. Yeah. Before it, but the ones after it were if you really watched, they're just trying to copy off Spider-Man.
00:25:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of a blueprint. Is this Spider-Man when they started when superhero movies started making like a ton of money too? So we're like a Keaton's Batman movies made like 200, 300 million, 400 million box offices. And then Spider-Man 1, Spider-Man 2 were making 600 to 800. Yeah, which I think was unheard of back back then. I'm not sure.
00:25:34
Speaker
No, if you put it into like, like, because Superman came out like the first Christopher Reece one, then Batman eventually came out in 1989. That kind of like brought together like superhero movies can be serious. Then we got that weird 90s era where they were not very good. And then Spider-Man showed that you can make a serious movie that still has humor and it killed at the box. I was like, you were saying. Yeah, I don't know.
00:25:58
Speaker
Go ahead.
Influential Movies
00:25:59
Speaker
I was thinking here while you guys were talking. I honestly feel like it's completely different from the other two, but 2001, A Space Odyssey, it came out in the 60s, but I remember watching it and I didn't know it was from the 60s. I thought it was from way later, but I feel like it was such a revolutionary movie for the time and it just pushed so much forward.
00:26:21
Speaker
So I guess my answer would be 2001, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and the first Back to the Future for me. Maybe Toy Story. Wasn't Toy Story one of the biggest, like, didn't that kind of revolutionize making CG animated films? Totally. Yeah. That was big. I was also going to say Back to the Future, which is also one of my favorite movies. I don't know, one of the three Lord of the Rings movies. So I think those are super influential for society.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah. Ryan, did you guys go see the four-hour cut that came out? It was Return of the King anniversary, so it was the four-hour cut. I've seen it. I didn't get to go to the theater. I really wanted to. Jacob, who was just here earlier, went to go see it. I really wanted to watch it, but I didn't get to. Yeah, I forced Ryan to go with me because I'm like a massive leathering sky. He had not liked it as much as I did.
00:27:14
Speaker
I still liked it. I love Return of the King. It's one of my favorite movies ever. It's still a great movie. I've never been a huge Lord of the Rings guy, so watching a four-hour cut of a movie on Marry Lake. I get that. That's right. You're tired. You want to go home? Do they have a break in that in four hours?
00:27:30
Speaker
Nope. Really? We saw it at like eight o'clock too. Yeah. I figured it would have like a cut off point. That's funny. No. I'm like, Loki, just watching Tasm in your background, Warden. I was like, is that what's playing? Oh, I wasn't even... That was playing? Jacob put it on. I didn't even put it on. Oh. I just got like fixated on it. It is. I can see Andrew Garfield on his blue shirt with the gray sleeves. Oh yeah. There he is. It's a beautiful movie.
00:27:57
Speaker
But, uh, did everyone answer that? I don't want to skip anyone. Ryan, did you answer it? I didn't say. I think for my three favorite, I mean, you know, my number one is Sandlot. Not your favorite. What do you think of the best movies? Oh, best movies still. I think Shawshank. Number one, I think maybe departed moves up to two or three. So I rewatched that a little bit ago and I don't know what else to put on there.
00:28:21
Speaker
It might be like Prisoners or something like that, like a Denny movie. Cool. Yeah, that's a cool one. Yeah. And then our last question before we get into the fans who we have a lot of fan questions to answer. Well, you guys have to answer. We just get to sit and listen. But what are your three favorite movies, like most
Favorite Movies
00:28:39
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rewatchable movies that you just adore? You can go grab.
00:28:44
Speaker
All right, well, for me, it's number one, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That's the movie that broke me out of the superhero phase and where I was like, damn, movies are really good. But that movie got me sobbing when I first watched it. I remember the ending blew my mind. I was a mess after watching it. Spider-Man 2, obviously. I mean, come on. And then number three, I go back and forth.
00:29:12
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It's very controversial. I see the great Gatsby. People are like, what the hell? That's such a weird choice. But my mom growing up would play the great Gatsby audiobook in the car because she was an English teacher for 11th grade and she would teach great Gatsby every year. So her favorite book of all time is The Great Gatsby. And so even growing up when I didn't understand the book,
00:29:35
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She would play it in the car and I'd listen to it and I'd hear the words I think Jake Gyllenhaal did a reading of it and that's when she played some I think Jake Gyllenhaal or someone like that That's um when I got to high school, you know when I got to 11th grade She was like pretty much my teacher for that time, you know, my teacher was cool, but she was like really teaching me and so we went through great gas video and she taught it to me and we watched the movie and
00:29:58
Speaker
Normally the movie gets a lot of criticism for not being accurate to the book, but it gets hate for the modern music usage and certain elements like that. I felt like it's the perfect adaptation of the book, perfect casting. I think the words come right off the page. The castings are so reflective of the words. I read the book and I look at the movie and I can't imagine
00:30:20
Speaker
a better way to adapt, like the aesthetic of it, the look, you know, the whole flow of the story. It's it's like honestly perfect, in my opinion. So that's my justification for Great Gatsby. But I flip flop between that and where the wild things are. That movie terrified me as a kid. I watch it today. I love it. It's so it's so weird. But I think that's one element I really like about it. It's very strange, but you feel a little bit comforted watching it. So cool.
00:30:50
Speaker
That was a really good answer. That is a good answer. Great one. What do you think you can do after him? Yeah, mine's talking to me as expansive as that. My top three, it's not in particular order. Spider-Man 2, because it's so influential in my life and I love that movie so much. Gavin and I could talk about it for hours.
00:31:09
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That's why I didn't even start because I know I would never stop. It's so easy to go into it. Like Return of the King could also talk about that for hours. I have talked about it for hours. I love it so much. The Four Frodo line is so good. And I adore it. And then How to Train Your Dragon. That movie recently went up or last year it went up on my list because I don't know. I watched it again at the time and it just like moved me so much. I love that movie. So those are my top three.
00:31:39
Speaker
I don't have any, you know, art house top threes, but those are my, those are my, the big three that I really could just rewatch at any point. And I do a Lord of the Rings rewatch every year. And I, and I rewatch hunter, tiger, dragon relatively often. So.
00:31:52
Speaker
I got a, I have Aragon sword, the Andrew. Do you really? That's so sick. Yeah. No, uh, a company sent it to a, sent to me for the podcast and then in favor, I got Ryan a lightsaber from a company. That's so sick. What? Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. That's so cool.
00:32:10
Speaker
Now, if anyone breaks in, they got to deal with my arrogant sword. A sword. But, uh, Ryan, what are your, I feel like I know this because I feel like me and you have talked about a lot. Yeah. I already said my number one on accident, but number one is the Sandlot. Just, it's my favorite movie of all time. Anytime. Absolutely. And I think number two, I got to go with.
00:32:32
Speaker
A New Hope, just because I love Star Wars so much and that one, that's always been my favorite Star Wars movie. It might not be the best in my opinion, but just I can always put it on and watch that one. And I think for number three, I'll go with Reservoir Dogs, I think. Just because it's one of those movies, like it's genuinely a great movie, but every time I watch it, I get blown away just thinking like this was Tarantino's first movie and it's this good. Like it just blows me away every time.
00:33:02
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Yeah, it's a good one. I like that, Ryan. I feel like that's different than the last time we've talked about. That's good. Might be. Again, no in particular order. Prisoners, I guess, is up there, but I want to say Jaws.
00:33:18
Speaker
Cause I found a new whole found love for that movie when me and Ryan went and saw it last year in IMAX, which was awesome experience. What was that? I'm sorry. That must've been cool. Oh yeah. It was dope. Except the guy on next to me was answering phone calls and
00:33:34
Speaker
was not fun but yeah i found new love for that movie it's a movie that should have never worked but did they rewrote the script every night while filming like anything like that it's just it's incredible that they made i think one of the longest lasting horror films that everyone still thinks about if you go in any type of seawater salt water and water yeah um tasm the main experiment too i know that's not everyone's favorite movie
00:34:02
Speaker
But I Ryan can Ryan can vouch for me here. I cry every single time I watch this movie without like I watched it a couple weeks ago. I was just bawling at like one in the afternoon. Every time one scene gets me every time it's rough to they did Glenn's they did the scene of Glenn's death very well have critiques on
00:34:25
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The rest, but the scene itself is very good. I love this. The little fight with goblin and Gwen's death is like perfect to me. It's so good.
00:34:33
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Yeah, and then like, coming from like reading comic books, and then finally getting to see the big white eyes. And I think the suit is perfect. I adore that suit. And I just have so many memories of watching my dad, even though my dad despises the movie, but I love it. But yeah, that's, I think that's the other one. And then Revenge of the Sith because I can quote the entire movie and watch it at least once a week. I hate that movie. I don't hate it. Damn.
00:35:00
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I love that movie. Amazing. But yeah, that's the end of my questions. But now it's time for what took up almost my entire camera roll is the question.
Fan Questions on Spider-Man Lotus
00:35:14
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And the first one we're going to do is from Sky.
00:35:22
Speaker
Skyworks cinematics. Okay, they didn't clarify so both of you can answer this question. Have you ever considered doing a team up hero movie? If so, with what characters? Oh, Gavin, you can answer that one. Well,
00:35:37
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I've always liked the dynamic between Spiderman and Daredevil, so that would be really awesome to do. That's my answer. No more elaboration on that. Yeah, I've also liked that. I'm much more into team up stuff and kind of superficial, leaf on things, I think, than Gavin.
00:36:05
Speaker
But so I would be down for anything like that. I love the Heroes for Hire. I love when heroes cross over all the time. I don't know if you guys have played Web of Shadows, the old game. Hell yeah. I love that it's a moon night and Luke Cage are just hanging out in New York City. So I love all that kind of stuff. I don't know what specifically I would do, but I love when Spider-Man gets to interact with
00:36:31
Speaker
Heroes for Hire or Daredevil like Gavin said, so for sure. If that ever happened, that'd be cool. You should definitely do something with Daredevil because Daredevil is my favorite Marvel character and Spider-Man's number two. So that'd be like a dream come true to get to watch them interact. So please make this. Next question is from, actually I'll do this one, this one's nice. This is not Nate09. Hi Gavin, I'm currently filming my first Spider-Man fan film. Is there any advice you would give me?
00:37:02
Speaker
I think try not to go too ambitious is what I always try to tell people because you start to like, you think something's achievable and you go for it and then it's actually like super difficult. We tried a car chase for Lotus and I mean, we had to delete it because we had to delete the scene because we got way more ambitious than
00:37:26
Speaker
We are budget allowed for. Yeah, we did a terrible job shooting it. It would have been a really cool scene. You know, like I loved the quips we had written and warden did a great job and spiderman was like the concept the same spiderman was like crawling around the car kind of as we had a scene where I was like, we shot on screen screen and I was on the side of the car and like, they're shooting out of the window and I
00:37:45
Speaker
web the gun and web it to the car and all kinds of fun stuff, which we shot it, but we had to. I think it would have been achievable like with full VFX, but just the thing is with working on VFX with fan films, like, you know, they have lives too, so they can't commit their entire life to like making these giant sequences. Like that's part of the reason why Lotus is a drama, not an action movie, because if you're doing an action, you know,
00:38:11
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That's you're gonna you're gonna require a lot of these guys Yeah, and like if you're not working with industry professionals just you know, they have lives, you know VFX are so they have to have you know their time so
00:38:22
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It was a good idea, but we had to cut it. There's still plenty of action, but I'm going on a tangent. Don't go too ambitious. Try to keep in mind what your budget is and try to not allow yourself to go too far because it's very easy to, when you love these characters, get carried away. You're like, oh, we can do this and this and that. Then you're like, wait, let's go back.
00:38:44
Speaker
That would be my biggest piece of advice. And the other one is don't create it for the purpose of appealing to the outside world. Don't create it to get views or get subscribers or whatever. Just make what you want to make. Whether it's against what everybody else's idea of Spider-Man is or not, if you want to make it and you're passionate about it and you care about what you're making,
00:39:09
Speaker
Go ahead and make that. Like don't listen to what other people are saying about it. Like make your Spider-Man how you want it to be. Cause when you start letting other people get into your head and you know, well, it should be this way. It should be that way. Like don't, don't worry about it. Do your thing and you're good. And you're much more, um, relaxed making it. Yeah. That was some good points. I'm going to use that for our short film, honey. Yeah. I think it's universally applicable.
00:39:36
Speaker
Yeah, totally. The next question is from, that's what Levi said. I love that guy. I just interviewed with him the other day. Okay, great. So I did get it right. What's the most embarrassing thing that happened on set? Oh, man. Oh, shoot. Wait, there were so many. Do you have something?
00:39:58
Speaker
Maybe when I showed up without the slate and seeing the disappointment on your face. That was rough. We have a video of it somewhere and you can see me. I'm like, are you serious right now? Are you serious? Yeah, I showed up. I showed up and Warden's like, we're like a bar. I'd start filming Warden's like, where's the slate? I was like, oh shit. Every take I had to clap. We didn't have like a marker or anything. We didn't know what scene it was.
00:40:27
Speaker
Oh, seen 49 a take one. I do a little clap in front of the cameras. So embarrassing, dude. But that that happened. I'm trying to think of something that was like, I mean, I was never I'm like, we're ever too embarrassed. We're all so close on so it was all we just had a great time. I'm trying to think something that was like, well, what about
00:40:48
Speaker
Maybe like showing up late to my own call times a few times. A little bit late. You would do that? You'd do that a couple times. Me personally, I would show up late all the time. That's something I have in common with Spider-Man is I'm very bad with time management. As you guys could tell with the current interview, it took a while to get here. Yeah. But I kind of like would turn it into a little game and I guess I wasn't super embarrassed about it. I'm like, oh, guys, no Spider-Man's late all the time.
00:41:18
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Just like me. We were on set and Warden was getting like the battle damage suit on and the makeup obviously took a long time. I remember telling them like middle of the day, I was like, Hey guys, can you get started on the makeup now? Because like by the time you're finished, we'll be ready to film. Yeah, we'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. And so I was like, Okay, guys, like we're gonna go to set, you know, hopefully you're ready in time.
00:41:43
Speaker
And then we got there and me and Tristan, the cinematographer were like sitting in the bed and the sound people got there and we were paying them like by the hour. And we're just chilling there and we're like, where's, I wonder like what they're doing. I FaceTime and Warden. And then Warden's like just now putting the suit on. I was like, are you serious right now? He's like, we'll be done, we'll be done. And then I remember, I very vividly remember like sitting on the bed with Tristan and we're like playing games on our phone, playing like subway surfers. Oh, we're trying to like beat each other's high score.
00:42:12
Speaker
and like Borden showed up probably two hours late. We were like, where the hell were you? My fault. Yeah, it was such a funny like, it was such a funny visual because like, he pulled up in the van and the doors open, he walks out and he's like all bloody and beaten up and he's like, oh, here I am. That's when I took a picture of him and that picture went viral in like,
00:42:35
Speaker
I think like just the Spanish speaking community, like there was some meme about like, I was trick or treating and I fell off my bike and this would happen. Yeah. Like went viral. I saw it everywhere. I was like, Yeah, so weird. Yeah, that happened. I don't think anything else was super embarrassed. We had a lot of funny things on set. I was never really like embarrassed. Yeah, the funniest things is when remember when Sean went missing in New York. Sean played Harry. It was his first time in the States because he's Canadian.
00:43:05
Speaker
And first time ever in America, he went to New York and his phone died. And he went like, he just, he was around New York by himself. And we all had like life 360. So normally we could track, track each other down, but his phone died. And we were like, what we couldn't do anything. We literally couldn't do anything. We had no idea where he was. And we didn't see him for like four or five hours. And we were all filming in this penthouse for a penthouse scene. And Sean like knocks on the door. It was like pouring rain too, like pouring rain in New York.
00:43:34
Speaker
So he knocks on the door and we open it up and he's completely soaked. I'm surprised he found us, but that was one of the funniest moments. It was like a movie moment, dude. Like Sean. Where have you been? He was drinking water. He's like, oh, I found you guys. He told us for sure. He's the guy who took the wrong train. I ended up in Queens. We were in Manhattan by Central Park. The guy I grew up in Queens and all these sketchy people were following me or something. Oh, man. That was a good night.
00:44:01
Speaker
That was a good day of filming. It was fun. Yeah. So I have one more and then Ryan has some questions. Well, I think this is a good question because I want to know this. Shuth, the narcissist, will the Lotus suit ever go on sale again? That would also be up to Alessio and Lorenzo, the suit creators. I don't think they want to do that because I think they like the idea of there being a limited run.
00:44:31
Speaker
and creates a sense of rarity, I suppose. That would honestly be up to them, because they're the creators, and we've given them obviously full permission to do whatever they want with the design, and they're very protective of it as well. So I don't know. I think I'd be kind of cool. Gavin and I have talked about selling the main movie suit, but it is kind of gross and sweaty, so people might not want to buy it. It'd be up to Lorenzo and Alessio, yeah. I want to buy the suit, so that's why I was wondering.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah Yeah, Ryan has some questions. Yeah, this one's from Dustin Morrison 40 For Warden. What is it like filling the shoes of what could be the most famous superhero of all time? Oh, man. Um, I don't know. I mean, I don't know it felt it felt I mean, I don't know I felt natural to me because I've been doing this my whole life not acting but I've been
00:45:28
Speaker
in and out of the Spiderman suit forever. I would do the similar things that Gavin did. I would wear the Spiderman suit under my clothes when I was a kid. There's one time I got Sharpies or like dry erase markers and literally drew Spiderman suit. Like I marked my entire body with marker and like drew all the blue through the webs and everything. And my mom was pissed. I was like six or seven and I went to church. My sleeves just had like, my skin was just like Spiderman arms.
00:45:55
Speaker
But I don't know, I just really try not to think about it too much, because I think it's overwhelming. The whole process, I would try not to think about any of the attention or anything like that, because I didn't really, I wanted to stay grounded and not get too excited, I guess, and not get, I don't want to get a big head. That's something I've always been worried about, because some actors do get big heads.
00:46:19
Speaker
So I tried to just have fun with it. I would take it seriously on set, but I wouldn't, I don't like to take myself too seriously, I guess. I try not to. So I don't know, I, it was just fun. I really just want to have fun time. And it was really, really cool getting to finally play Spider-Man. I want to do it forever in a really, you know, movie quality suit and see it, seeing it in scenes and seeing my body language. That was really cool.
00:46:47
Speaker
Cause I've always wondered if I, if I do well as body language, cause we had, you know, we said static lenses. So a lot of it was, um, you know, it's camera work. You don't, and you're, you have to be more motive with your body, which I've talked about that a lot. That's one thing I love about Andrew's performance, Andrew performance and, um, Toby's performances is them having to. Do more, um, because you can't see their face. And I love that kind of, that
Spider-Man Acting Challenges
00:47:10
Speaker
kind of acting. I love when actors, you don't see their face like in a Hugo weaving.
00:47:14
Speaker
in V for Vendetta. I love his performance in that. You get to be a bit more reflective. So it's kind of a long answer.
00:47:23
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maybe not the exact answer you're looking for. It's a difficult question, but it was really cool and I just tried to have fun with it. I didn't try to take it too seriously. Yeah, that's awesome. This one's from the Gabe Bernstein. I think I'm pronouncing that right. It's building off the last one, but was there ever a moment when you were filming where you had the moment where you're like, damn, I'm Spider-Man right now?
00:47:52
Speaker
In all the Tim, the Tim scenes, the scenes with Tim are when I was in the suit the most, because that was almost entirely, I was suited up the entire time. And I'm trying to think of something specific. The end of that scene, there is one particular scene where, I'm not going to say it, but it was really, really cool. And Spider-Man has a really, really cool line that Gavin and I came up with.
00:48:14
Speaker
And it is really, I'm really excited for people to see it. And I can't say exactly what it is, I wish I could, but that scene specifically, all of the Tim scenes really, really I was like, this is so sick and so badass. And I was like, I watched back the footage or I see the footage and I was like really proud of myself and I didn't know if I would be or not. And it really felt cool, you know, to see my head turns or to see my head nods and stuff like that. And then one scene at the very end of the movie,
00:48:42
Speaker
was really, really cool. And I felt very heroic in it. And I felt like I'm a superhero. I really did. But all the Tim scenes, I can say that. All the scenes with Tim, I was very much embodying this heroic figure, because Tim's looking up to him. And Max, the actor, is such a big Spider-Man fan, too, that it had helped me feel even more like Spider-Man. The first time he saw me in the suit, he was like, oh my god, Spider-Man. And I was freaking out. So that helped me, my performance, because it was
00:49:12
Speaker
He was basically the kid who collects Spider-Man without even trying. So all those scenes, yeah, I felt very much like Spider-Man. If I could build off that real quick. Totally. Seeing Warden, I remember when we got the first take of him in the suit. I remember forgetting Warden was under there because he delivered the line perfectly
00:49:35
Speaker
He did the mannerisms perfectly. He had the build of Spider-Man. You honestly forget that it's really Warden under there because he falls into the role so perfectly. I remember being obsessed with the way he delivered lines. I barely had to direct him during the Tim stuff because we co-wrote it and he knew the script very well.
00:49:57
Speaker
And we talked about Spider-Man so much to where like he, he didn't, I didn't have to, I didn't have to direct him a whole lot. He knew, like he knew what to do. So just watching him perform and not having to worry about it was like phenomenal. Cause he was the Spider-Man I wanted. Thank you. Welcome. God, me and Ryan got changed up for attitude on the show. Did you have any more questions around your thing? No, I think that's it.
00:50:29
Speaker
But before I do that, I don't want to repeat any of the questions. There's a lot. This is a good one, because I think this is something everyone can talk about. Heisenpug 2.0 said, who is your favorite Spider-Man actor?
Favorite Spider-Man Actors Debate
00:50:47
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Gavin, you can't say Warden. Warden, you can't say yourself. I would never know.
00:50:53
Speaker
Toby and Josh Keaton are my favorite people who have portrayed him. I love them both so much. Toby's voice. I love. I've said this before. I love the way he yells. The way he like the way he yells and the way he quips. It's he talks way different in the suit than he does when he plays Peter. He's very soft and goofy on when he's Peter. But he I love how heroic he sounds that the scene when he's trying to save Aunt May and Spider-Man 2.
00:51:21
Speaker
and the way he yells and the music that plays. And one scene I really love, it's a weird thing to say, but it's when he loses his webs or he loses his powers mid-air and he's screaming and yelling as he falls and hits the like,
00:51:34
Speaker
the air vents or whatever. I love his voice because I think a lot of times, one thing I was always scared about is there's like a certain ceiling with quips. You almost feel embarrassed to quit and or like to raise your voice to that proper level because it feels unnatural. But Toby, Toby does it in such a natural and perfect way. So he's I love him as Spider-Man.
00:51:57
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I'm like honestly like I'm like the reverse of you with with actors because like I I like Andrew Garfield and Christopher Daniel Barnes and Andrew Garfield I feel like because he's so passionate about spider-man in a way that the other actors who have played spider-man aren't as much like Tom Holland's a big spider-man fan, but I felt like Andrew Garfield really truly loved the character at his core and so I felt like that that bled into his performance and made his performance so much more
00:52:26
Speaker
appealing and believable. So Andrew's like, I'm not I'm not the biggest fan of the movies he was in. But he's my favorite Spiderman actor. I didn't say anything. I want to make sure no one thinks I'm just texting on my phone. I'm trying to look something up.
00:52:44
Speaker
And then Chris for Daniel Barnes, I mean Because the 90s show was written by comic book writers who wrote like the 70s and 80s comics Chris for Daniel Barnes felt like that voice of spider-man brought to life in a way that other actors haven't like I feel like when he when quips or when he's kind of an asshole to people like just his vocal inflections are so good as spider-man like I when I read comic books or at least the classic ones that I hear Chris for Daniel Barnes every time so
00:53:13
Speaker
I wish he did more Spiderman stuff. I wish he played Peter Parker more outside of the show because he played 2099 and stuff like that. But Peter Parker, he hasn't actually voiced very much. But yeah, he's my favorite voice actor.
00:53:30
Speaker
I think we kind of talked about this when we did our No Way Home review. And I think I still kind of have that opinion of like, we said Toby was the best Peter Parker, Andrew was the best Spider-Man, and then Tom Holland wasn't the best at either of those, but he was the best mix of the two.
00:53:49
Speaker
So I think Tom Holland, as much as I love Andrew Garfield, and I think he might be probably the most entertaining Spider-Man actor to me, but I do love Tom Holland as much as his movies, you know, that there's highs and lows. But yeah, I think he might be my favorite just because he has the mix of Spider-Man and Peter Parker down very well.
00:54:12
Speaker
Gavin Hager answers so much, he got it and left. I'm sorry, the dogs were barking over there. I had to take care of them. I actually have the same answer as Gavin. I had a look at the guy's name. I didn't know Christopher Daniel Barnes was the guy's name who voiced the 90s Spider-Man, but that was my introduction to Spider-Man.
00:54:35
Speaker
And like I saw the Tony movies but never like really thought about it. I watched the 90 series. I still rewatch it now. And I mean everyone knows the scene was shocker. I love that scene. I know some people don't love it but I adore that sequence. And then Andrew Garfield because I don't know. I just always I think Andrew Garfield is one of the most talented actors working but at the same time.
00:54:59
Speaker
He just fits Spider-Man so well, and he has the best result for Spider-Man. I think the suit helps a lot, because it's my favorite suit, so maybe that helps with some bias. And just the way he delivers his quips. Oh, no. I just love those movies, even though Gavin shit on them. But no, I think it's Andrew Garfield in total, I think, is the best version that we've got in the character.
Impressions of Across the Spider-Verse
00:55:23
Speaker
Toby's number two, though. Oh, yeah. I can take that.
00:55:29
Speaker
But oh, this is a question I just thought of. What were your thoughts on Spider-Verse across the Spider-Verse? Oh, dude. Oh, my gosh. This is so cool. I loved it. I loved the first one. But this one was so I love seeing like one thing I love about sequels in general is how you get to have the hero already established. You're past the whole like, I don't want to be a hero because Miles doesn't become Spider-Man until the end of the first movie.
00:55:55
Speaker
And I love how right off the bat, he's active and he's badass. I love how they didn't shy away from how powerful he was. It's something I love when movies don't shy away from that. I love the scene with
00:56:12
Speaker
when he is, I don't know what he does, but he shocks Miguel on the train. Oh, on the train. He's messing with his suit. I love that. I love how he was, he's just such a badass. He's so confident, which I think was such a cool, we didn't see that as much in the first movie, because he was still figuring things out. But he's confidently running away from thousands of Spider-Man, and Miguel's this vampire Spider-Man that wants to just destroy him.
00:56:42
Speaker
easily gets them off. I love that kind of that kind of cool thing gets off. But I loved it. I love Shameek. Moore is my favorite Miles actor. It's my favorite interpretation of Miles. I wish they would have gotten him for the ps4 miles. I'm not a huge fan of the ps4 miles voice. It's too nerdy for me. But I loved it adored that movie. So that's that's my answer.
00:57:07
Speaker
Yeah, me and Warden, me and Warden were on the phone after it came out. I remember like, you know, as a big Spider-Man fan, like seeing another adaptation of the character, like you have to take it in first and process it. Because like, I'm, I'm very protective of like the character and like I have a very particular idea of how
00:57:25
Speaker
how I would like him portrayed. So watching such a radically different version of Spider-Man or interpretation of Spider-Man was new for me. And I had to process it and think about this other interpretation. And I remember when it hit me of how good the movie was, because I wasn't sure I would feel about it at first, and then it hit me the day after I saw it. And it felt so respectful to the character.
00:57:53
Speaker
Like one of my, one of my critiques with the first movie was that, you know, it said anybody can wear the mask, but it didn't explore the consequences of that or the response. It did explore it, but not to the extent I wanted to have like the responsibility that comes with the mask. And so I felt like across the spider verse really heavily leaned into, you know, what it takes to be Spider-Man, what you have to go through the challenges, the obstacles, and how you have to push through these two, you know,
00:58:19
Speaker
really embody the mask. And so like one of the taglines is like how it's how you wear the mask that matters. And I
00:58:27
Speaker
My pitch for the first one was that that would have fixed it in my mind was if the villain wasn't Kingpin, it was just like an alternate. It was an evil version of Peter Parker, an evil version of Miles who didn't have the responsibility that came with the powers. And so I was pleasantly surprised watching this one at the end when we have a Miles who's the prowler. And so he doesn't have the responsibility of the main Miles.
00:58:49
Speaker
And it sets up like exactly what I was looking for of like, let's take a version of Miles now who has gone through this tribulations and trials of wearing the mask. And now it's contextualized to him of, this is what being Spider-Man means. And like, this is the sacrifice and everything like that. Now let's pair him up with a version of Miles who doesn't understand that responsibility and is kind of abusing the power in a way. So I'm really excited for the third one. And the second one,
00:59:17
Speaker
you know, filled me with confidence and feeling like the character in media in general is starting to return to like how I enjoy the character. So to wrap it up, you know, it wasn't how I'd tell a Spider-Man story because I like the grounded and, you know, down to earth Peter Parker storyline. I feel like this was equally as respectful and faithful adaptation of Spider-Man and I absolutely loved it.
00:59:45
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's I think at this moment, it was my favorite movie of the year until that new the new a 24 moon movie past lives came out. If you haven't seen it, I've seen it. I was in a theater by myself. And then well, I thought I was and I was like 60 60 year olds behind me.
01:00:02
Speaker
At the end of the movie, but I was sobbing because I thought I was by myself. So I highly recommend but Yeah, no, it's it's up. There's one of my favorite spider-man movies Already and I love the first one and I think this one blew the first one out of the water me, too But yeah, so Ryan I you like the first one more though
01:00:23
Speaker
I do just a little bit. It's still it's my favorite animated movie of all time. Still the first one, even though I love the second one a lot. But I do want to say, though, I don't want to go back on my favorite Spider-Man choice. But Jake Johnson is a little older. Peter Parker. I love him as perfect. All right. I have two more questions for you. Then we'll do a recommendation of the week where we'll all recommend the show or a movie and then we'll get out of here. Sound good? Sounds good.
01:00:53
Speaker
Great. The question is from Goodnight XAV. What inspired the design for Goblin's suit? Well, you know, I've always I've always felt like I say this pretty often, instead of trying to change the comics, find a way to justify them and explain them. So, of course, the Green Goblin's design in the comics is very cheesy and corny and it's, you know, people don't take it very seriously.
01:01:21
Speaker
But for me, I thought, OK, well, it is kind of corny. It is a little cheesy. It's pretty goofy costume design. But let's find a way to justify that. And let's film the movie in a way that allows people to take it seriously in some way. So in my mind, you know,
01:01:39
Speaker
There's a storyline called Child Within by Jamda Matias, and it's about Harry Osborn becoming the Green Goblin. And what that story says is the goblin formula reverts you back to certain childhood patterns and certain childhood insecurities. And it puts all of your insecurities on the forefront and makes you react and respond like a child.
01:02:02
Speaker
So when I think about Norman Osborn, when he takes the goblin formula, I think his brain will revert to childhood tendencies and kind of think like a kid. So when he's in that state of the goblin and his entire goal is to strike fear into his enemies and people who are against him, he's probably going to think of something that would scare him as a child. So perhaps Norman Osborn's fear as a kid was this weird Halloween costume goblin with green and purple.
01:02:32
Speaker
It's something a kid would be scared of. It's like the monster under the bed almost. So he would create this costume that nobody who's a sane human being would wear this costume willingly. But what makes it so terrifying to me is that he is acting like a kid. It means he's very unstable and he can do anything at any time. And he's wearing this goofy mask that
01:02:53
Speaker
shouldn't be taken very seriously, but because he's wearing it and thinks it's scary, that's to me what makes it terrifying. So yeah, I wanted to be faithful to the comics and find a way to explain it. I love the design. I got so excited when I saw it. So that answer just made me even more excited about it. And then the final question we'll go with, I want to find a good one.
01:03:18
Speaker
Okay, this is a good one. Spider underscore man 2132.
Spider-Man Lotus Sequels
01:03:25
Speaker
If the movie is successful, are there any plans to make more? Warden has a big smile on his face. Look, look, look, let me talk. Let me you talk. I don't. Yes. I know. No, we've talked about. Okay, we've talked about things.
01:03:48
Speaker
We've talked about things. Gavin said no, no. We're not gonna make them. Gavin's talking about... Are we? Look, we have ideas. We have ideas and we've thought about the concept of a trilogy and a lot of it is... Gavin, sorry if I'm spoiling things, but... No, please don't. Not spoiling anything, yeah.
01:04:13
Speaker
Okay, go ahead. A lot of it. He can't stop me. He's not directing me anymore. A lot of it rides on obviously where our careers go after Lotus, how successful Lotus is, if people like it, people want to see more. Because we put a lot of our own money into this despite getting a large crowdfunding. I put
01:04:37
Speaker
I probably put what, 10, 15K of my own money. I guess if you include the stuff with the fursuit, Gavin's put like around 20K since we started doing the movie. A lot of money. So it's a huge load to deal with. But we have a lot of ideas. We talked about it. We have kind of generalized outlines. I hope Gavin doesn't get mad at me of what we would do. Yeah.
01:05:08
Speaker
Go ahead, Gavin. You can take over. Okay, I'll take over for you. We have elaborate ideas, as one would being a fan of the character. We know where the characters would go. Lotus ends in a way where we know exactly what every character arc would lead to. We know what the stories would be. We know the titles. We know the suit designs. We've thought about it pretty often.
01:05:37
Speaker
But again, it rests on practicality. You know, it's like, whether it's achievable or not is up in the air. You know, whether it can be afforded or whether it can be funded, you know, that's all up in the air, but we do have elaborate plans. And Gavin, you already spoiled this and a YouTube comment section. So, uh, one of the ideas we did want to have, which he talked about this earlier was to have Daredevil in the second one. We want to have Daredevil in the second one.
01:06:04
Speaker
That was already like talked about on Twitter. Sorry, Gav. You did this yourself, buddy. I don't know if that would, is that still part of the plan? I don't know. Who knows? I'll say this. I would like to make them. Don't ruin my dreams. I would like to make them very much. I think it'd be really fun to do. And the ideas that we have are super cool, really, really awesome. And we continue. Wait, did you? Okay. Wait. I love the titles that we have for the other two. Not public.
01:06:31
Speaker
The title has a title leaked online. Can we, can we say the, the like, no, how they know kind of, kind of the, you know, the, the, the theme that continues. I mean, I mean, we continue to be a flower theme. We would continue. We have two flower titles. We won't say what they are. We will not confirm nor deny, but.
01:07:02
Speaker
Nothing is in stone, we'll say that, but we have a lot of ideas and I would like to make them. But I will say- Who knows where we'll be years from now. If we ever do make them, it won't be for quite a while because Gavin and I, we want to do some independent projects that aren't intellectual properties and make some short films. Short films are a lot easier to make than features.
01:07:26
Speaker
Off the bat with the feature was really hard. Obviously it's been two years since we announced it and we're still working on it.
01:07:34
Speaker
But that's my answer, Gavin, if you want to talk about it a little bit. No, no, no, this is pretty good enough. We can move on. All right. Well, that was a lot of fun. I've been smiling, I feel like, for the last 10 minutes. But no, before we do the end, this is Ryan's favorite part of the episode, and he forgets 104 times. I forget every time. What is our recommendation of the week from everyone? What's a movie or show you think everyone should check out?
01:08:04
Speaker
Oh, we go first. I would say show. I've been watching Superman and Lois season three recently. It's phenomenal. They tackle such good concepts. Like right now you've got Lois dealing with cancer, which one of my favorite things is when Superman literally can't save somebody. So I love when his dad dies from a heart attack. It's the most powerful guy in like the world and he can't do anything about this. I love that concept.
01:08:31
Speaker
You've got one of their sons, the superpowers, the other one doesn't. And the one without powers becomes a firefighter, which I think is a really cool take on it. He still wants to save people, and it's his way of trying to still be heroic. It's a really cool stuff. He got really cool banter with him and the brothers. It's really, really
Impact of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul
01:08:51
Speaker
cool. I would say that. I've been watching it recently, and I love it so much. Tyler's one of my favorite Superman actors. That's what I would say.
01:08:59
Speaker
I would want to say Better Call Saul, but you can't watch that without Breaking Bad, obviously. I watched Breaking Bad for the first time last year, immediately watched Better Call Saul after that. I finished the whole thing, both shows in, I think, three months or two months. Incredible shows changed my entire perspective of telling stories and filmmaking. I'm definitely going to be taking it into my next projects. It made me regret a lot of how I filmed Lotus, but I'm still proud of Lotus, but it definitely
01:09:29
Speaker
Like I think my next project will look and feel a lot different than this movie does, but that is my recommendation.
01:09:36
Speaker
All right. I think I
Movie Recommendation
01:09:38
Speaker
got to go. I may have recommended this before, but I watch it pretty much like the same time every summer. Just since I first found it, but it's no, no, that's, that's, that's like a spring show, but, um, I'm going to go hunt for the wilder people by Taika Waititi. I just found it randomly scrolling Netflix one day. And it's, it's just such a fun, fun movie, fun, like coming of age movie. It's just so good altogether. Oh yeah. That's a good one.
01:10:06
Speaker
You love that movie, Ryan. I do. Great movie.
Daredevil Nostalgia
01:10:11
Speaker
Well, I'm going to recommend something that we've been talking about kind of the whole episode. And that is right up there on the wall. There's a hand to Gavin. I've never seen it. I've been watching this week.
01:10:25
Speaker
If you're going to watch it, watch the radar director's cut. It's a much better version of the film. I know people love the Netflix show. I get it. I love it too. There's something about that suit that's so comic accurate without, but it's like a weird leather.
01:10:42
Speaker
I adore that suit. I as a little kid, I loved it. I had the whole suit as a child and I tried to learn when numchucks because of this movie. I got rid of the math like a week because I kept hitting myself. But I adore that movie. And I think with a better right with better writing, the movie could have been a lot more successful and without a bald Colin Farrell.
Daredevil Suit Speculation
01:11:04
Speaker
But yeah, I wonder, I wonder what a Daredevil suit by the Lotus suit team
01:11:10
Speaker
would look like. I've been thinking about that the whole episode since you brought it up. This is a trailer coming from someone who's not on the team, someone who's just watching everything. I think the people who made that suit can make a really cool Daredevil stuff because it has that same texture as the Spider-Man. Just without the webbing. I think it looked really dope.
01:11:34
Speaker
Hopefully we're going to see that at some point. Maybe. We'll have to make a phone call or two. Maybe. Yes, you should make these phone calls again. But yeah, this was a lot of fun.
Premiere Event Excitement
01:11:46
Speaker
Everyone go watch Spider-Man loose when it hits YouTube, right? For everyone? Yes.
01:11:53
Speaker
And yeah, guys, it was a blast getting to talk to both of you. Yeah, thanks for having us. So yeah, I can't wait to see both of you August 6. That's going to be really cool to meet you guys in person and not be August 5th through Zencaster. August 5th, yeah. August 5th. I'm sorry. August 6th. We'll see each other the next day.
01:12:14
Speaker
I'm like, no one's here. This is the worst premiere ever. No, August 6th, I was supposed to see Fall Out Boy. But now I'm in California. August 5th. I'm excited to go out and meet all you. See you guys both. Ryan, is there anything you want to add?
Upcoming Movie Anticipation
01:12:31
Speaker
No, I mean, I had a lot of fun. I'm super excited for this movie now. Not that I wasn't excited before, but now that I've had some more insight on it, you guys are talking about how much it meant to you. I'm really excited to, A, go to Cali to see it, but also to see it in general. I'm pumped. Absolutely. Thank you.
Closing Remarks and Social Media Promotion
01:12:50
Speaker
Is there anything you guys want to add before we go our separate ways? Well, thanks again for having us on. I had a really good time. This was such a fun podcast. I love the... I mean, you guys said you guys don't usually do structure, but this was fun. I enjoyed this. Yeah, I had a lot of fun too. You guys did a great job.
01:13:07
Speaker
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, next episode will not be the structured. I don't know what we're talking about yet. But we'll figure that out next week. Thank you guys for tuning in. Make sure to continue liking and sharing the podcast. Go follow us on TikTok, YouTube, wherever you find us. Gavin and Warden, thank you one last time. Ryan, you get to say the final thing like you do every single episode. Thank you for watching and we'll see you.