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Unprotected Sex and Abortion
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Stop with your principles and belief systems. Join Matt and Lance as they sift through common abortion scenarios. No matter how hard they try it's difficult for these "Pieces" to take a definitive stance on abortion.
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Introduction of Podcast and Hosts
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Speaker
old school friends from nine to four. Start a podcast, could they feel involved? 29 listeners just ain't enough. Gonna go big if they
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Welcome to I'm a POS. My co-host Matt is with me as always. He's got big hair today. A lot of curls flying up over his headphones.
The Hosts' Non-absolutist Stance on Controversial Topics
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But Matt, I'm a POS because I'm not willing to be an absolutist about topics of significance, such as abortion, which makes me a wishy washy bitch.
00:01:14
Speaker
Wow, you look like a piece of shit when you say it, dude. I appreciate you bought you really putting your heart into your POS-ness. I'm a POS, like the way I handle issues like abortion is just kind of ignored and hope that it never happens to anyone around me. And anyone who has a strong opinion about it, I immediately am turned off. Like abortion and any other politically charged thing that I feel like is not a prominent issue, like I just immediately, if someone's like,
00:01:44
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If their whole life is committed to a pro-life or pro-choice or gender therapy, I just immediately am like, nope, can't do it.
Procrastination in Addressing Serious Issues
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So a form of putting your head in the sand, disengaging. And I do that with other things in my life. And that's the true essence of my POS-ness is just, yes is it a void? Is it deflect? Is it not deal with the issues? Is it procrastination? It's ah it's a bit of all that.
Diverse Views on Abortion and Women's Choices
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But you can't procrastinate too long if you're out there thinking about having an abortion, folks. Like, I do think after if you get to second trimester, it's a murder. So you have an opinion, all right.
00:02:23
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Well, that's good. Well, so this idea of absolutism and not committing, we're going to try against our better judgment to talk it through via the lens of abortion. Yay. I'm sure people are like, sweet. ah But let's go through some scenarios related to abortion and see where Either you're not committed or I'm ah not willing to be an absolutist. Okay, let's let's take a scenario, a provocative one to start, dude. Slutty women that have a lot of unprotected sex. I think they make great mothers. Deflection, no, yeah, that's a good joke.
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No, they will. It's a joke, but it's also like, all right, the one is I'll deal with the consequences. You'll be out there having protective sex. You got to be willing to have a baby. And then you're like, oh, that might not be the best person to guide someone through life. Right. Right. But so ah again, I don't have an opinion. I mean, there's a whole other thing there of slutty women like It's like we want we want women to be slats and we criticize them at the same time. there's Yeah. Do you think there's a large contingent of women who want to have a ton of unprotected sex, get pregnant, and then abort the babies? Because they they crave the skin on the dick as opposed to the rubber on the rubber or whatever other form of contraception. They just really need it to be to lack contraception.
00:03:49
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and they just crave cock in that way. Do you really think there's a large contingent of women out there doing this, knowing that their backdrop is an abortion, that their bailout is an abortion?
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No, I don't think that, I mean, I don't think they've thought it all the way through. Like, I don't think that they're, so I guess, and you're kind of saying it's one we're going, well, I want to, I'm going to have sex.
00:04:17
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I like it this way, and if I get pregnant, I'll just abort it, so no big deal. I don't know, but I haven't been out in the playing the field that much in the last 25 years, but I'm guessing the answer is yes. Not quite as what you said, but there's enough women out there that want to sleep around and let it happen. Do you think?
00:04:45
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Yeah. I mean, this is again, I can't, it's a gray area where I just on a personal level, there was a girl in our won't name names, but she was rumored to have had three abortions. And just because she had unprotected sex with various guys now.
00:05:02
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Think what you will of this girl, she's right she has a right to have sex. But that's kind of a weird thing to happen multiple times. ah Because I think there's this misnomer about people who are pro-choice that they're essentially pro-death. And it's like, let's let's kill as many babies as possible. Let's be as freewheeling as we can about how we have sex. And then we'll just knock off these unwanted babies.
00:05:26
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That's not really real, but perhaps in opening up this as an option, just like anything, people that take advantage of it in maybe an amoral way, and I could see both sides, sadly. So that's- Amoral being like the person giving black market abortions and making money off of it or something like that, or the man doing acting in this sluttiness and leaving, leaving the woman without a support No, the amoral in this case was more of like i am a I am somebody that wants to have unprotected sex when I know that ah I've already experienced it a potential consequence of that as I get pregnant and I have to have an abortion. Now, that's not taking into consideration the bigger picture of the man's role in this, the age of this person, other socio-economic dynamics. You could see people taking advantage of that and that wouldn't be a good thing in my mind.
Poverty's Influence on Reproductive Decisions
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Like, oh yeah, I know I can get abortion. I could just hit that pill or I could just, you know, that just seems to be not a moral way to live. I wonder, you we mentioned it in our prep show, people, a look inside behind the scenes, but but you did mention that having sex is actually a pretty easy thing. And also like a thing that just could kind of happen in the moment, oftentimes, almost always that's how it happens. And I don't i don't know if people are thinking thinking it through a lot.
00:06:51
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But za now the other side of that, if we play out this woman, this slut, as you said, like it's OK. The one that's had a bunch of abortions is criticized. What's what's going on with the one that has 12 kids from seven different fathers that you see like in the hood sometimes in the US? like Should she be criticized? Should she have aborted? Or is it just easy enough to? like Chris Rock, you had a great joke about this. like I'm one of his earlier specials, which essentially the punch line was like just put the dick down.
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like What are you doing to yourself? you know like Can you stop? And so there's something else going on there. like Is self-esteem issue or or are this person was educating away to think that that's that's their only thing they have to offer? you know like There's something else going on there probably, right? Yeah, it's called it's called poverty. It's called poverty. And poverty has a whole host of downsides.
00:07:43
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When, yeah, I'll give you poverty for the first three or four kids from three or four dads, but when you start pushing up into double digits, is that poverty? When do you hold the person accountable? Well, right, I don't know. And I don't know of the hood mothers that have seven, eight, nine kids. I don't know those mothers. i don't I've never interacted with them. I haven't even seen them reflected in ah society in that way. i so I've just seen more of the struggling mother who's got a couple, maybe two, three kids from different dads because perhaps they're in a shit situation and they've had sex in ways that maybe aren't the most healthy.
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That's what I've seen. But more, more of what I've seen is, as you said in the prep, black guys, no, you didn't say that, but um young men who are getting multiple women pregnant and have kids all over the place. Now that that I've seen in and not being responsible for it and not being responsible for it. And so there is this scapegoating that happens with women because they have to stick around. You know, Chris Rock's joke might have been more funny the other way around. Put the vagina down? Yeah, exactly. Like leave leave the hole alone. ah These guys go around and impregnate multiple women and then they they bounce. So my take on that is if you get a woman pregnant, your wages are garnished. I'm not going to say I know how to implement this policy, but your wages are garnished for 18 years at a rate commiserate to the estimated cost to raise a child in the city or state you live in.
00:09:17
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period They could call it the Sean Kemp law. They could put a name on it. You go. See, all the examples of this, you know, not to sound racist, they are black dudes in the media. Now that could be racist on the media's part, but like, you know, that's what we hear about.
00:09:35
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the guy in the hood banging all kinds of women. He's likely in prison because of privatizing prison. I mean, if you look at the statistics or he's five states he five states away on the run. I don't, yeah.
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I don't know if it's a
Roe v. Wade and Crime Reduction
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race thing. It's probably a poverty has something to do with it. I was talking to somebody about this topic and they were like education is ah is a big big thing which I was like I don't know if anyone had to tell me like educate me on taking care of somebody but I had enough of an example from my family to know that, to kind of get an idea of what's right. But man, you grew up wealthy, bro, like wealthy, ah relative standards. You grew up wealthy. I mean, your house was huge. You had all the food you ever went on. When I'm up in it, I'm like, I had a five bedroom house, 1993.
00:10:31
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Yeah, boy. I'm just talking about your education of the consequences. Well, we're saying the same thing, right? Like if you're in an affluent, supportive system with resources, there's for whatever reason, you're, there's a higher chance you're not going to be in having unprotected sex and multiple people and you're probably going to be more responsible because everyone around you was responsible and that's the only image you have. Where some of these people in like poverty-stricken areas, this happens in fucking trailer park, white rat tail in trailer parks. Oh yeah, absolutely. Multiple kids. So they're not a race thing. Oh, let me get this out. It's not a race thing. Those are jokes.
00:11:07
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Yeah. you You got real right on me there for a second. I love it. Those are jokes. it's It is a poverty thing. Drop that L and change it to a B. Change Lance to Vance, bro. Yeah. No, you're going to edit all this out. but um But there's a cycle. There's a cycle of, oh, my dad wasn't around. And then it's crazy how that works or or it cycles of teenage pregnancy. and ah it It happens. It really does happen, you know? And like,
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And some people get out of it. like Some people just got out of money. You might become a professional athlete. and ah LeBron James that didn't have a relationship with his dad, but he got out of it by becoming a billionaire through athletic ability. right like he He takes care of his kids. like So yeah you can do it. But the that for whatever reason, the chances are, because actually, I think LeBron, Bronny is 21 now. LeBron's like 39. So he he probably had a teenage pregnancy. right like it ah him, and his wife. So, um but you can get out of it. But it it is a cycle. So there's an aspect of poverty education. um and But absolutely is. Yeah. So we've, we've stirred off the path.
00:12:20
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No, we're we're on the path. I think we're good. It is a cycle. And so you can you can explain some of these issues, at least the first two we've talked about, slutty women that want to have a lot of unprotected sex. um and But the women I have to say, though, women encourage that behavior. what like I mean, if a guy is like promiscuous, women go, oh, he must have something to offer. He must be good. like ah You hear that argument, and you're like, what? I don't hear that argument. You may hear that. Where do you hear that? at On the stage, the comedy stage?
00:12:51
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I don't hear that. No, no, no. I think that on the street. I do. Yeah. When I'm hanging on the street court and shooting dominoes, dude, you don't think that like a guy who's kind of promiscuous, like Will Chamberlain or I don't know. OK. Is there what David did come to me to try to run away? Yeah. Like people are like, oh, he s sleeps around. He must be good. Like that's what people think. Women think that I. Yeah.
00:13:15
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Okay, is there an appeal a bad boy appeal? ah Perhaps there's a bad boy appeal of men. ah But we can't escape the fact I just want to go back to the to the poverty thing, the education thing actually, which is like, what are we talking about? So we're talking about like a stable family can model some healthy behavior is one, but we're also talking about contraception. And we've got a real in the US a real batshit mindset because of religion about contraception. And I think a lot of folks, poverty or not, think that contraception is, yeah, more religious thinks it's a form of abortion. And what they're left with is a bunch of unwanted kids that lead to a number of things that we can talk about later. So what's your take on that? Contraception.
00:14:04
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All kids are unwanted unless they're yours. That's the idea. yeah Well, when I think when people talk about education, most really what they're saying is contraception, right? that Okay, I was clarifying. I wasn't sure. Well, I don't know. like Like some of these people that might have a couple different i have a pregnancy scare or whatever you think or they have multiple babies from multiple partners are they like I didn't know that's how it worked fuck after like the third one they're like really you put that in me there's a chance I might have a baby I got the education part of it seems like
00:14:41
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May I could be that simple. It could be like, well, I didn't I didn't think it would happen. I didn't know that there's a high probability of a woman getting pregnant if they have a man semen planted in there in the reproductive system. Like maybe maybe the education is that level where you just go out. It's probably not going to happen. Yeah. fine Or but.
00:14:59
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I mean, contraceptive ah contraceptive is probably, I mean, i I'm Catholic, so that I don't think Catholicism is big on contraception. And I'm like, that's hurt people. But it just seems unrealistic. Like, I think we're programmed to reproduce. like it's it's like an instinctive natural thing. I mean, besides all the, you know, sexual energy that's created modern society and and all this kind of porn and all that shit, but just what program to reproduce. So the idea that you're going to stop people from having sex is probably not realistic. So the only option is if you're trying to control them when a pregnancy is contraception.
Pregnancy from Rape: Morality and Practicality
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Right? Like just going, Hey, you probably shouldn't have sex. It doesn't seem to work. Well, no, it doesn't work. Although teen pregnancy is down 75% in the last 30 years. I think that has more to do with porn and only fans on your phone. And you're probably afraid to have sex because you think you got to choke down a cock. So it's a different world.
00:15:54
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Yeah, people are like, well, that doesn't look fun to women in particular. Yeah. Or guys like, oh, wait, we're just gonna have missionary sex. What is that? I didn't even know that it goes in that hole. Everything I'm watching is it's going somewhere else. Yeah. And also although All our chemicals in our food system, most most people's digs don't work anymore. So that's really one way to control the population. Yeah, that's that's happening. ah But back to this so this idea. There was some interesting research ah that came out in the 90s. You probably heard of it because it was popularized through that book for economics, essentially saying that there is a very strong causal effect of Roe v. Wade happening where abortions were legalized.
00:16:36
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And 20 between 18 and 23 years later, so much less crime, crime going down across the country. And we can debate like the research or whatever, but like because people are less horny.
00:16:48
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No, because that they have unwanted pregnancies are a problem for society in that like when there's an unwanted pregnancy, the outcomes for those kids are ah just a higher percentage of engagement and crime. Like murders, rapes, all go up when so-called unwanted humans are running around in their teenage years. You like to call the people unwanted or unplanned? Unplanned seems a little softer, right?
00:17:15
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Well, this is this research uses the term unwanted. right so you can just Just to go back to the image of the baby mama in the hood, like when she's forced to deal with all these kids, and and because you hear these one-sided arguments of like, yeah, she wants more kids to get more welfare. But when those kids are born,
00:17:36
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And they are unwanted. And this is a person that knows they can't take care of them. And you have to you have to say to yourself, this is somebody that you know all human beings have the right to like make a judgment about that. But when they are forced to take care of somebody, a kid they didn't want, those kids engage in much, much higher levels of crime. And so I go, people of Ohio, where they just banned abortion, 20 years from now, 2040s, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton,
00:18:02
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There gonna be a lot of white people murdered in the suburbs. It's gonna be great. I'm kidding, but like, it's a true phenomenon and- Crime will go up is what you say. It will. Yes, it will. However, because teen pregnancy is down so much, you know, maybe not as much as it or as it went down. Is it down across the board or is it down in like certain communities, you know? It's literally down across the board. There are like a few exceptions.
00:18:29
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There's got to be something else at work there, not just the. There are other factors. No, there are other factors. It's called multivariate regression analysis. It's econometrics. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yes, sir. you'd You'd learned it in your finance classes. Now, I got a graduate degree, so you can assume I know a little bit more. But no, you you learned it. And there are other economics that said it's also the removing of lead in gasoline and lead in our lives, because that created basically dumbasses who did dumb shit cognitively. They were dumbasses. Really?
00:18:58
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Yeah, so there's there's that factor, but there's also ah the the crack epidemic you know and that petering out a little bit. But a very big predictor was legalized abortion. I only bring that up just because the image we have of the welfare mama and the absentee black dad and all that, it's, again, not so simple. And because I'm a piece of shit and not an absolutist, I have to call out these these contradictions. yeah When I think of, yeah,
00:19:27
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But what my image when I think of abortion is honestly, like I have an image of maybe like the the hot girl out of high school who's good looking. So then she's naturally going to be dating a little younger, maybe a little older guys. She's she's just kind of like maybe not that excited about it, but she's a little more promiscuous just because that's that's what everybody wants her to do. And then she gets pregnant, but she her parents, she comes from like a decent family.
00:19:57
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And then she's like, someone's like, you know, you got a lot going for you. And this, this might set you back. You want to go off to college, you want to do this or that. And then she has a secret abortion, kind of a lonely place that I have that image more than like these, like some lady who's got in the hood or something like that. I don't know what the percentages of yeah i don't either abortions are, but like, I have that image. Uh, and I have empathy for that girl.
00:20:24
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right? Like when they're really young, you're like, well, they they're probably not thinking it through, like, and that might be like an experience or education thing. But also, like, there's a weird thing about peer pressure, you know, like, and it's not always like this horrible thing, like, do it, do it, do it, but it might be a um ah group thing where it's like, shit, I have a boyfriend or I have a girlfriend, this is what people do, so I should do it. And so that there's a consequence, which you're not really thinking about it in the moment. Luckily,
00:20:55
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I was born with this giant nose, so I didn't have to worry about getting anybody pregnant in high school. Yeah, well, you could have. Thanks, buddy. That's the nicest thing you ever said to me, dude. I could have got someone pregnant in high school. You could have, but like do you think, just to play the other side a little bit, which is actually interesting and maybe compelling, that because of legalized abortion, we, many, perhaps many on the left, have viewed having getting pregnant as just this negative side effect of sex, like this thing we need to get rid of, as opposed to like you could have you could perhaps have a beautiful life raising that child, even being young.
Unequal Burdens in Child Rearing
00:21:36
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And maybe religious folks say that's more of a God's plan viewpoint, and you should you know be in support of life. Well, it probably is, don't you think? God's plan? I doubt God's plan is abortion.
00:21:51
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Like this comes back to my, yeah, this comes back to my thing about about ah the instinct of need to have sex and reproduce. Like it is God's, what you can call it whatever you want, but there is a plan and we and to survive as ah as a animals that we are, you have to have sex, you have to reproduce. Sure. I can i can accept that now, but late let's go to the next case and like test that because now this girl was raped.
00:22:18
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Should she have the choice or should she roll the dice on God's plan to live a potentially fulfilling life raising her bastard child? This is where I clam up and turn into a piece of shit because that's like too much for me to think about. But you have to, you have to solve problems. I don't have to do it because I'm not now raping. And now, okay, you go, all right, what if someone in your family was raped and you had to help them make a decision, okay?
00:22:44
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and that's i just hope I just sit here and go, I hope it doesn't happen. Because I would hate to have to walk through that. you know yeah But the point of the podcast is trying to resolve your piece of shitness. So like you have to engage. So what's your take?
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um
00:23:00
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I would... I don't know. Help me. Help me, Lance. Can we go through a real like example of your own daughter? Like imagine it. Can you imagine that? Or is that too tough? I wouldn't put that eye on anybody. My daughter got raped. She got pregnant. And then I got it. And then she's like, dad, what should I do? Should I have an abortion or should I have this baby? And then will you ever be able to love the baby? You know, like, will you, will you ever be able to good parent to it? We always resent the baby.
00:23:36
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would you Would you be willing to, because this is maybe be my only absolutist standpoint here, would you be willing to accept a scenario where your daughter along with you and your wife could make a choice? Or is it reasonable for you to have to live under a state where you're forced to have the baby? There's no choice.
00:23:59
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Is that a scenario where choice makes more sense to you? I mean that, yeah, you put it that way, definitely it makes more, more sense. Yeah. Like, but I don't know. I mean, I wonder, I, this is where I land on this, right? That's probably a big issue. Like people are like abortions that happen in unwanted sex or forced sex, rapes. Is this a big issue? Like does this happen 10 times a year in a country of 300 million or is this happening a lot?
00:24:29
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You know, it's a horrible thing that you don't wanna ha- it's like you don't walk outside and prepare to get hit by lightning. But it would suck if it happened. Like, is it- is it like getting hit by lightning? This is where I- this I guess is my piece of shit aspect, but I'm also like, why do I have to make a decision on this? This is like a high probability this isn't gonna happen to me or anyone close to me? I hope the answer is no, but it might be yes, you know? This is not- I don't wanna sound like an idiot. I just- I wonder how often this happens.
00:24:54
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I can't help sounding like an idiot, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I get you, man. and That's like what volume are we dealing with here? I think it's a tragic example, but the it points to a very narrow-minded view of policy. In this case, would we have an exception? And so this is where the absolutist of so-called pro-life people, which I think is they don't deserve to have that term because of what happens after.
00:25:20
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unwanted children come into the world, but we'll talk about that. But like, if somebody's right to force them to have the baby to me, it's just it's sort of a non starter of like a horrible cycle of life. It is. I don't see how you could support that. I wonder too, like we're talking about these hood, some of these ladies that were there worth trying not to criticize, but we probably come off as we're criticizing them. That's probably an issue for them to these situations where they're like rape isn't always just someone like walking down a path and and next to a college at night and someone attacks them. they They might be in a situation where they feel like they can't say no, you know, or or something like that. Give me some role play. I don't have an example, bro. You have like a role play, like, come on, girl, you know who I am, girl. No. You know you wanted to do that. i was taken I was taken up for these ladies in that situation, you know?
00:26:16
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Well, they'll switch switch it back to the trailer park. Like, you're in a trailer park, you you got a couple kids, a guy comes in, he's buying you groceries and shit. So there's like a manipulation, it's like a manipulative tit for tat, like, I did this for you, now let me put this in. You can't talk and go work, because you got a couple babies, and like it and then you can't get to work, because you don't have a car, because you can't get enough money, you got a car, and like, you're in this cycle of health. Psychological rape. Yeah. Yeah, and you need some D.
00:26:45
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You have to have the D to pay the bills. Yeah, I don't know about that, but that's an interesting scenario. yeah Off the rails again, but back to the thing. I mean, in that situation, i'd this would be bad too, probably. Like maybe it's not the right answer, but I would let my daughter or somebody close to me make their own decision without trying to criticize them. But that also sounds like I'm just kind of letting them sit on on an island of horrible decision without any support.
00:27:10
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But I don't, I find it hard to be like one way or the other. But like, I mean, I think it'd be really hard to like if you had a high school, a relationship in high school and you got pregnant. I mean, I would love that if it wasn't a moral issue, I would love to tell my daughter, take care of that fucking thing. You're a beautiful young girl, break up with him, have an abortion and and live a great life. I would love to be able to say that without any guilt, but I probably would feel terrible saying that.
00:27:36
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Yeah, I think just to acknowledge like that pro-choice or as the opponents would call it pro-death is just a bit more complicated because you have to sort of decide when life begins whereas pro-life can just say at the moment of conception that's when life begins and so the truth of it is though even somebody like me who is very pro-choice none of us are like oh yeah I want to kill right None of us are like, are like oh, this is like a great option, right? Yeah, this is a great option. This is great for society. It's great that in society we are aborting lots of unwanted pregnancies. No, no, absolutely not. But there are examples probably for some trivial reasons for you and I, like, oh, I want to advance my career this next five years, which by the way,
00:28:26
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is not something a man has to consider, which is something we should talk about. But this whole thing, they do a little bit. Really? Well, I mean, if if you're making a decision, like I'm going to take care, I'm going to be responsible to take care of my kid versus all right, this is going to screw up my life. Like it could affect the man, too. I mean, obviously, it's a lot more at stake for the woman. Yeah, way more.
00:28:47
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If you abort that, i don't have to I can pursue other things. Whereas if you have the baby, then i and I'm gonna be a good person and support you. It's gonna it's kind of drastically change my trajectory in life.
00:28:58
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Right. um But the the idea of being pro-choice is just inherently more complicated, because like what's the line when abortion makes sense, both from a medical standpoint, but also from ah um what are the reasons that I can justify this? And so all of us are going to vary in into terms of what we think is a justified reason. I would say, for sure, rape You don't seem like a POS on this one. You seem like you kind of have a guideline of ah where you think it it has a place and where it doesn't.
00:29:29
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Well, I really don't know. I don't know enough about the medical side to say when when is the best time or when is the drop deadline, if you will, to have aboard the fetus. ask that I think that most people would say it's like when they can live on their own outside of that womb, but I don't know. Oh, they would say that's when it's become the human life when they're not like a parasite essentially? Yes, but then here where I'm not so staunch pro-choice is like, I think there are life circumstances that I would pass judgment on. So we're going that's what we're talking through right now. like you know We talked about being raped, but now let's talk about teenage pregnancy. Who am I to say whether that isn't going to be the most positive change in that teenager's life? Do they have a right to like, oh, I want to go to college and party instead of have this baby? Sure. But like this is where I don't know what I would say.
00:30:21
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and I'll say this, you know, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm not, I'm just not a kid person. There's some, you don't meet a lot of people that actually have a kid and then don't end up like it being the most important thing in their lives, like almost everybody. Yeah, once you lock in, yeah, like they're one of the lettermen, for example. Oh, yeah, Dave, he loves it. Like, but you see people like that, they're like, you know, I never wanted a kid, I was career people, other people's kids bother me, they all of a sudden have a kid and they're the most annoying picture showing ah pirate ever you know and high stress like so I I will say that I like anybody anybody who this is like maybe the rape example is a bad one but a lot of people that are like yeah I just never wanted a kid or like thank God I had the kid seems like a lot of times you know it's a blessing in their life
00:31:06
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It is, and that maybe that's a maternal instinct, but I would say this, and I hate to use these bombastic phrases like make no mistake, but I will. Make no mistake, the burden of raising that child and all likelihood is going to fall on that teenage girl and not on that teenage boy. He is likely going to be able to flee that situation in one way or another and go have his life.
00:31:34
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She is not that is an unfair burden and i would put in policy as i said before where no. You guys both had a very ah but perhaps trivial sexual act that led to this and both of you are stuck with that for eighteen years in a very serious way. You think so you you would be able to like the regulation.
00:31:54
Speaker
I don't know the policy. I'm just saying it is a, is grossly unfair. but Yeah. Cause how do you garnish a wager of a, of a, I don't fucking know, but do you agree? It's grossly unfair that the male gets off easy, which is why you see dudes go and do this multiple times with multiple partners with no consequence. It's a choice. They can make the right decision, but it's still a choice for them in the end. Yup. Yup. I mean, I don't know what you can do about that. Like,
00:32:21
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I'm just saying acknowledge it when we're when we're gonna sit here and talk shit about slutty women and demonize them. We don't know like as as as society not you and I when we're gonna do that stuff like if we can't acknowledge what's what i was a little bit. Yeah, just the fact that like it takes two to tango as they say and so like it's all we always look down on the guys like sleeping around but it's like there is a little bit of like alright ladies.
00:32:45
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You're encouraging that behavior. but But also, I mean, yeah, I don't know what the solution is for that. i got It is bad that it's a choice for a it's a choice of sticking around for the guy, and it's a choice of killing a baby or supporting a baby for the woman. right like That's it's either like, I have this thing for the rest of my life that I have to worry about and take care of, or I have the guilt of ending a life. and And the guy's like, oh, I can either stick around and help or I can go live my life. But he doesn't have to make a life or death decision. Some people would say it's not a life or death decision if you do it early enough.
Personal Anecdotes on Abortion
00:33:20
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I don't really actually know the mechanics of an abortion, believe it or not, pretty naive on that. I don't know how how you do. What about, does it matter to you, like plan B, that kind of stuff. Like, so you, there's been a sexual act, vaginal.
00:33:35
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I'd like to point out a vaginal sexual out act. And so a fetus, I don't know, hasn't been created yet. And then you take a pill like a morning after pill that that stops pregnancy. I don't know how that works, but is that? Well, I don't know. Is that contraception? Is that abortion? And I i i don't know. the The humane version of me goes that's trivializing a sexual act that despite you know your needs to get your nut off is also the source of life. And so I like kind of think that morning after pill is is a little bizarre, ah for but what I don't know why I can differentiate that between catching the cum in a rubber.
00:34:17
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ah it's Life for me starts when I buy a girl a hot girl a drink at a bar. That's very hard. I'm a player, but I'm Catholic, dude. That's how it works. We stop it right there. Stop it there. But so I don't know. i can't I don't have a strong opinion about that. But I guess in terms of offering people the most options to avoid unwanted pregnancies, which is, I think, what we really should avoid, it's probably a decent thing to have.
00:34:46
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Yeah, and were we're talking about this as people that are like, have their, I mean, this this is also a marriage thing. How do you how do you have a 30 year sexual relationship with somebody when you, and it's not like 1940 where you're gonna have 15 kids, like everybody's managing it, like everybody. Yeah.
00:35:04
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This scenario of where do you draw the line? like Is it not a career-driven woman's right to abort an unwanted pregnancy in order to stay successful or pursue the C-suite? Now, that feels, when you say it out loud, like the most inhumane, amoral thing. And yet, we're not asking anybody, any man to do that. We're not really asking any man to do that.
00:35:32
Speaker
And to do what? To put the kid ahead of their career? To sacrifice, yes, number one, to carry a baby and have it come out of a hole, but also just to like, yeah, be stuck with that baby their whole life if it was an unwanted pregnancy. They don't have to grapple with that decision in the same way. um It happens, but not, I mean, there are, you are here situations where the mom actually left the situation after they had the baby, of course.
00:36:00
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Yeah, you do. But it's a very, it's a rarity. It's less. Yeah, it is much less. So anyway, that that scenario, like, here's where I would go, gosh, do I think that that is a good thing that's happening there? No.
00:36:15
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Do I think that that woman should have a choice to decide? Yeah. And in some ways do I think that she should maybe regret that later on in my own personal judgment, perhaps. But I can't be an absolutist about it even though I think that that's potentially a little sketchy. How about? I don't know. It just doesn't seem right. i I just could fall back to like, what would I do? What the great thing about being a parent is just like, you can just focus, you can you can eliminate all the other noise and just strictly focus on how this would affect your your kids and how and what you would do in that situation. It's kind of nice. I don't have to represent all of mankind. I just got to make sure two people have a decent chance in life, which is pretty cool. And so I would just, my cop out is I just focus on A, telling them like,
00:37:06
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the Consequences of having sex and make sure you're doing it with somebody that you feel like if anything bad happened You could like work something out doesn't mean you're gonna like marry them or stay with them, but you can work out something good and and Sex leads to human life and in most cases That life should have a have the opportunity to live and and you should be around to take care of it No matter how hard it is for you And then all the other bullshit, like if my daughter got pregnant or or my son's girlfriend or or wife got pregnant and she was physically like, oh, she it's one of those things where she has the baby, she could die or the baby could die. Those are all things that I'll just have, it'll be game time decisions on how I would how i would address them on that. Cause I don't really know.
00:37:55
Speaker
I would be so devastated, dude. I would be like, it'd be hard, but you you have to suck it up. But I think we, a lot of times we suck it up in hard situations and we don't know that we can, but we kind of forced to. So I'm leaning on that, that I'll find some strength and just be like, I got this figured out. buts honestly, how I feel. so Well, you will you will, you will. I mean, that's what I think we all do. and it But you don't sound non-committal because you're able to you're able to envision the scenarios. I mean, the one about the the woman in the career ladder thing is like,
00:38:29
Speaker
I don't, I mean, ah to me, there seems like there's a there's just a natural thing where like women give birth, women actually have to feed the baby. And that's like a natural thing. So to get to into like, well, they shouldn't have, you know, there's career. And it's like, I know, but you were born with the ability to produce milk to feed babies. And like, it's a there's a maternal thing.
00:38:48
Speaker
regardless of modern society and women's ability to assimilate and succeed, that is a thing. So you want to dictate how they raise kids, whether they're career or incident or not? That's what I want to do, dude. Yeah, you want to dictate. No, like if if you go, they shouldn't have to feed a baby. they shouldn't have It's like, I'm not making that fucking decision.
00:39:07
Speaker
Right. It's a biological thing. Right. Like people that are like, you shouldn't tell them what to do. I'm not. It's just how how a baby gets food the first whatever year of their lives. You could argue you need it for more. and That's why we're having so many problems with with this formula and all this crap. So I think I be should be, I mean, I'm already telling my kids like on anything, including like meaningful relationships, like romantic relationships. I'm just like, just fucking wait. There's no,
00:39:37
Speaker
There's no way you're gonna be the same person you are now or even when you're 14 or 15, I know it flies in the face of your marriage. Like for some people it works out. For a lot of people it's like just wait as long as you can. And and like, yeah that's what I keep telling them. they're like you Don't be in a hurry to be an adult. And then I'm like, I know you guys don't aren't gonna listen to me, but there's nothing great about drinking or smoking weed or having sex that you can't do when you're older. And so the longer you wait, the better chances that you have that's not gonna fuck up your life.
00:40:06
Speaker
Right. And that's why it goes to this, what happens after. One of the philosophies I hold is that an unborn child has the right to be created by parents who will love love them and make sacrifices for them. And that's not the case a lot of times. That's just not the case.
00:40:23
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this is the this is the gray or do you want those children to exist exist and exist in a. Unloving potentially like hateful environment that leads them to become something similar and to live a life potentially of crime and do.
00:40:39
Speaker
You know, is that God's plan? I don't know. Is that the plan of the universe? So that's why I lean more pro choices. Like if you don't want the kid and, you know, there we we haven't crossed the line into murder, especially when we don't have the resources, especially when poverty is such a problem, child hunger is still a problem. It's definitely a bigger problem than fucking trans women playing sports, but you wouldn't know that. Anyway. I mean, that's my cop out at all. This is trans women playing sports.
00:41:07
Speaker
rape-related abortion, some of these things that come up every election cycle where you're like, how is this being, why is this being talked about? Poverty, import, export, like foreign relations, all these things are so much more important in my opinion. And and like, it's like, why do we always focus on these things?
00:41:26
Speaker
But women making a choice for whatever reason to not have a kid ah is an indication that that would be an unwanted pregnancy. And the gray area is like, if you're in poverty already and you make that choice, it seems like a good decision for a society.
00:41:41
Speaker
But if you're in a good place and you have consistent income and a solid career, it seems like sort of an immoral choice to abort, which is putting a lot on the woman or somebody that maybe made a mistake because having sex is so easy. But still, that's where I am wishy washy and that's why I'm a bitch.
Societal Impact of Unwanted Children
00:42:05
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It's an uphill battle, so to speak, in life worse than no life.
00:42:11
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That's the ice for the baby. Yeah. Right. We're like, all right. Well, this baby is going to come into a challenging situation. Probability, it's going to be kind of tough and might even might better chance that they're sort of a detriment to society. But on the flip side, they might be that inspirational case that pull themselves out of it. and And and so they have they should have the chance to do that.
00:42:31
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Right. I will say too, I know pro-lifers that have had an abortion and they're praying to God. There we go. I'm not going to name people, but it's it's it's hard on them, I'm sure. ah For sure. it's hard on It's a much more complicated real life choice than the policy would have you believe.
00:42:53
Speaker
What's the and what's this the like outline of the story? In those cases, the decision was made because of financial circumstances? or Yeah, financial unwanted, not equipped to to do it at that time. The other thing though is like, does anybody feel equipped? Like nobody's equipped. um but My kids are almost teenagers. I still feel like, ah, I don't have the resources to get through this one.
00:43:17
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You know, like I know what you're saying, but I think that's more of one of your non-committal deflections because it's like, well, that's more like a warning or like, Hey, you can figure it out. We all like, it's kind of like, yeah, we all, it's, it's pretty scary. You know, people are like, I can't do this. I don't have a, I don't have, I mean, there are people that go extreme.
00:43:35
Speaker
They're like, I need a half million in the bank because kids are expensive now. you know like Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's ah that that phenomenon is definitely what's causing the birth rate to go down. Right. People are waiting. They're delaying. They're not having it.
Guiding Children on Unplanned Pregnancies
00:43:50
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ah Well, the close this topic, because there's one more scenario where you kind of touched on, but we didn't get into it in terms of potential gray area here is like you have well-meaning parents who got pregnant and then there are some significant complications. And this is where you get into down syndrome to other really more devastating, what do you call them, anomalies in this child's health. one did So you know that this child is going to be born compromised, so to speak. Yeah, do you abort in month three? Or do you like some of these cases are brutal? 60 year life sentence. Sometimes the mother develops a disease during pregnancy because of hormone stuff or other issues or they there's all sorts of dynamics there. I just I don't know another way to think about it other than to give choice in those scenarios. And this is where some of those states that just have outright bans. I'm like, really? I mean, what do you think there?
00:44:51
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Um, I, this is the hog one for me. Like I had uncles down syndrome and it was, you know, turned out fine. It was a good life for Mike. That one's widely accepted as like, let's have the baby now, I think. Yeah. That maybe back in the day wasn't, but like there, there are conditions where the baby's literally going to die right when it's born.
00:45:15
Speaker
oh Yeah, yeah that I mean if that's a known thing it seems like you probably should take care of it for the sake of I Mean, I don't yeah, I'm trying to think of a reason why you wouldn't you wouldn't do it Well, pro-life would be more of like the God's plan is so much more than what you want. And so you have that baby, the baby lives for however long it lives and you don't intervene. It's, you're not God. Oh, I think you meant like in the womb that the by the, by the whatever 30th week, the baby's probably going to die. And you know that.
00:45:51
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a few weeks into the pregnancy or a month in the pregnancy. Yeah, you in some cases you might. And so do you abort or do you have the baby to term? and And then are you forced to like be with it when it dies and then bury it and go through all of that? Not everybody wants that or can do that. I only can say I would lean on choice there as opposed to yeah just outright no.
Reflections on Pro-life vs. Pro-choice Debate
00:46:16
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I mean, what I just think like that situation is pretty funny to think like,
00:46:20
Speaker
What if like the whole election is based on that the candidate's take on that that piece? you know like I think for some people that might be the case. I can't vote for him because he he yeah he's not pro-life in the situation where... so Okay, first the the girl was raped.
00:46:38
Speaker
And then they found out that the baby had a less than 2% chance of surviving the pregnancy, let let alone, and then if it was born, then it had, there's there's a chance that it won't be born with no senses, no smell, sense, will not be able to talk, will be deaf, blind, and but. And has a heart condition. Yeah, well, and that's powerful. We'll be on a respirator for the rest of our life.
00:47:02
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um The God thing is so much more powerful though than any of those life circumstances. I mean, we're talking about people that believe Noah gathered up all the animals, put them on a boat and you know preserved wildlife or whatever. Those are fantastical things. And so the same mindset allows you to disregard, I think, reality in some circumstances. I like the peace in that though. there's some There's some peace in that. There's some simplicity. pause you just Yeah, you just go, oh, it's on him.
00:47:32
Speaker
Yeah and there is and that's why it's appealing actually yeah it's appealing in that way but at the same time like what are the ah consequences of. The trauma a baby you know that has a very extremely low chance of survival almost no chance.
00:47:48
Speaker
and watching it die as you deliver a full-term birth. Now, God's plan people will say, well, that's a beautiful thing in your life that will strengthen you and so forth and so on, but it's gotta be your choice. maybe Maybe that's the case, but. Yeah. In my opinion, my wishy washy opinion. Yeah, it should be a choice. It's just, I don't know. We can look at that as the people that wanna take the choice, you could really get,
00:48:18
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philosophical and ridiculous about him. Well, that's God's choice too, you know? Those people are making the decision. and ah So, but you know, I draw the line, my judgment, like if you had a Down syndrome diagnosis, my judgment would what say you do not abort that.
00:48:33
Speaker
Mine mind is like if the woman didn't have an orgasm during the sexual act, abort. It's not fair. You're not bringing it in correctly. You can need two two orgasms to create like a peaceful peaceful situation for a baby. Argue that. I can't. again You're right. You're fundamentally right. But it is a fascinating how Simple, the act is. I know. The consequence is so life altering. Like insane. Yeah. What is, is there any, I mean, I don't like, there's people spend a lot of time trying to convince people of pro life or pro choice or, or, you know, women, women who, who are men, previously men shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports.
00:49:21
Speaker
And i don't I don't think as long as I live, anyone's ever gonna be able to convince me or a lot of the people that have any sort of formulated idea. like um No one's gonna convince me that abortion's like great. And no one's gonna convince me that like there's 100% situation where you don't need abortion. yeah like No one's gonna convince anybody of a different outcome, I don't think. So it's like people are wasting their time.
00:49:44
Speaker
you know Well, I think I can be convinced, which like, just like situation to situation. Yeah. Scenario by scenario, which is why I guess in this era, I will repeat, I'm a piece of shit because you have the opposite everywhere you look. The opposite just digging in, digging in. And, uh, this will be my last thought. if Whether you look at Trump or Kamala and their behavior, you watch people dig in and it's so pathetic.
00:50:12
Speaker
It's all a joke, dude. I'm trying to try to be somewhat conscious of the election, this this um this cycle, but it's ah pretty quickly you kind of go, from 9 to 4. Start a podcast, could they feel any more? 29 listeners just ain't enough.
00:50:41
Speaker
Gonna go big if they
00:51:54
Speaker
I'm a P.O.S.