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House of Gucci Recap
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We're back from the break and in this week's episode, we are recapping House of Gucci with APT Fashion Expert, Giuliana Porro. Giuliana joins us for her third episode to share not only her thoughts on the film, but gives us some history on the looks from the famed fashion house.
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Embracing Italian Heritage with Humor
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, hello, and welcome to Art Pop Talk. I'm Gianna. And I'm Bianca. Well, Gianna, the time has finally come to drop the M-A-R-T of our names and become full on Gucci Italians. I really think that we could be the ones to save the Gucci empire if we just change around our name a little bit. Totally, totally. All it takes is a name change. I think totally.
Fashion Insights on House of Gucci
00:00:28
Speaker
In today's art pop talk, we will have a special guest to help us dissect the movie, APT resident fashion expert, Juliana Poro. We'll be asking her some behind the scenes question about the fashion of House of Gucci. Father, son, and house of art pop talk.
00:00:52
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I just have to say that I love that your accent dropped off at Art Pop Talk. I feel like Art Pop Talk is not an Italian phrase that one can just whip out willy-nilly. Yeah. It's been such a good week for the Italians. Bianca,
Emotional Reactions to Great British Bake Off Finale
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can I just say?
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Did you watch the great British baking show finale? Oh my God, Gianna, we just watched it last night. I couldn't cry. As hands are thriving. Thriving this week.
00:01:25
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I was like, oh, okay, so for those of you who have not watched yet, spoiler alert, if you didn't already pick up, freaking Giuseppe came through. Oh my gosh, the Italians are taking over the world. I have this conspiracy theory about Great British Bake-Off this season because Jurgen was
00:01:47
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Too good and I feel like they had to find like it doesn't make for like good TV even for Great British Bake Off if the guy who's like the most Consistent and you know wins. It's like it's like the person who's a murderer is a person that you medium Suspect, you know, there's like a balance And so I don't know that week. I felt like was a very strategic week for your again to go home and
00:02:13
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so they could have like a little bit of an underdog. So I'm not saying that it was planned, but I'm saying it was planned. He was slipping up a little bit. No, he definitely like, that was not the best week. Like his little huge ass, were they McCrons or he was just making like meringue. It was like the matcha thing. Oh yeah, I can't remember. They fell for that. And I was like, uh-uh.
00:02:40
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but I was getting so nervous with poor Joseph B's Belgian buns. I was like, that made no sense. Did he have a stroke? Because me and mom were screaming at the TV. Like we could see them through the oven and we were like, they're so dark. And he's like, maybe one more minute. Joseph B. And then Shakes was literally like, are those burned?
00:03:11
Speaker
I was like, oh my gosh. I just have so much anxiety and I hate the music that they play. It gets my heart right up so fast. Oh my gosh. That was wild. Something happened in his head and he just was out of his body. Maybe one more minute, like yo. Those buns are toasty.
00:03:37
Speaker
take them out. I was
Thanksgiving Celebrations and Food Traditions
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getting so scared. I was just terrified. My heart sunk when I saw those little buttons. I know, but he pulled through and he's just so freaking cute. Oh my God, I love him so much. Yeah, I cried.
00:03:53
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Oh, of course, of course. I was telling Andrew that I cry at the Great British Baking Show and he was like, are you serious? I was like, you don't even know. Yeah, yeah, truly. I don't know. And then it's so cute because he's gonna write a cookbook with his- Of course. Literally me and Rosella were sitting on the couch like, oh, we gotta buy that. I've gotta buy that cookbook. I know. I'm so excited. I mean, I definitely have like
00:04:15
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my favorite bakers over the course of Great British Bake-Off history. You know, Nadia is obviously up there. She's our gal. But if we get a cookbook from the first Italian who won Great British Baking Show as I'm doing the hand gesture, ah, yes, Italian. Italian hand gesture. It'll be everything. Chef's kiss. Chef's kiss. Oh, I'm so excited. So did you have a good Thanksgiving other than watching Bake-Off?
00:04:45
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Yeah, I did. The Thanksgiving was another chill one for the books, but it was really nice. We didn't do a full turkey. Mom just made, I don't know, you can buy half a turkey or just turkey breast. We did that really only to make turkey and dumplings the next day. That's also a big staple in the Martucci household. I think we might have that tonight. There's a possibility of turkey and dumplings on the menu.
00:05:11
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literally my favorite thing and you have to make dumplings with this quick. I really hope that smack sound came through. That was good and then mom and Theban actually made a lamb dish. I don't know. Ever since Theban came into the picture, he made lamb one time and now we just have it on Thanksgiving and it's really delicious because turkey is very impressive looking. It's part of the aesthetic.
00:05:41
Speaker
I don't know. I think we all need to calm down a little bit when it comes to turkey. It's okay. I'm not saying that I don't want it, but that's a lot of work for a dry poultry dish.
00:05:57
Speaker
Well, yeah, and I'm a big fan of the turkey breast because I think it always comes out moist. It's a little bit smaller. You don't have a huge amount of leftovers, but with the lamb, it's a good mix. It's really good. Yeah, and then we have carrot soup because, Bianca, for you, you're welcome. I saved chestnut soup for you for Christmas.
00:06:18
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Gianna, I know because I talked to mom and I meant to tell you this and I totally forgot, but I called mom because I was talking about my plans to come home and I was asking about Thanksgiving and I was like, oh, are you making chestnut soup? And she was like, no, no. And she was like, no, Gianna said that we should save it for you. And I literally was like walking outside. I was like, that's so nice.
00:06:49
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So thank you so much for telling mom to save Justin's soup for my arrival. I mean, truly, that is the nicest thing anyone's ever made. What can I say? I'm just a really generous person. Good soup. Good soup. But Justin said soup is just not good soup. It is like the soup of soups. It is the soup of soup. And I want to save the soup of soups for Christmas.
00:07:19
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Christmas soup, but the carrot soup was the top. So, you know, it's all good. What did you guys have? Did you do like a classic Thanksgiving meal, cranberry?
00:07:33
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All that jazz. Yeah, pretty classic. Uncle Paul did a turkey roublade that was very delicious. Also, we did have turkey legs, so a few people at the table were just munching on a big fat turkey leg like we were at the Renaissance Fair. So that was good.
00:07:53
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Uncle Paul also made delicious stuffing. Stuffing is probably my favorite Thanksgiving food. Oh my God, it was so good. Did you get pigs in a blanket? Oh my gosh, update. Yes, I did make pigs in a blanket. They were a little bit fancier. We had a little side of delicious fancy mustard with it. We cut them in half, put them on a lovely serving tray. You know what, Giada? Everyone at the Poro household
00:08:21
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loved the pigs in a blanket. They said they were delicious, they said they were buttery and yummy, and I was like, oh, you know what? I worked really hard on these, so thank you. I'm really happy for you. I must say, though, I feel like I might have one star baker compared to your mini pigs in a blanket because my gingerbread macarons turned out very well.
00:08:46
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They've looked incredible. I made them really big though. I don't know. Sometimes like the more that I make them, which is kind of a scarcity because I don't have a KitchenAid mixer and you just really need like
00:08:59
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both hands because it's better like put in ingredients gradually. So it's just hard to do it with a hand mixer. But they came out good, but the recipe that I followed, they're one inch in diameter, which is pretty big for macaron. And I just wasn't thinking about it. And gingerbread is like, I wanted to do something a little bit more like festive. Otherwise, I think the next time I make them, I'm just going to do a classic one and like dye them and make them look Christmasy.
00:09:29
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We can make them when I get there. Yeah, no, they turned out good, but they were just gingerbreads, very intense. I also use molasses for the icing. I had a really nice sharp flavor, but they were just huge. I don't know if I can finish it. That sounds good. Well, it might be time to discuss a little bit of art news.
Spotify's Album Play Change and Music Listening Habits
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I love it.
00:09:59
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So for today's art news, this will be a short little story that you guys have probably already heard of, but Spotify has removed the play button that automatically shuffled songs regardless of an album's track list. And it's all thanks to Adele. So to quote Adele, this was the only request I had in our ever changing industry. We don't create albums with so much care and thought into our track listing for no reason.
00:10:27
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Our art tells a story and our story should be listened to as we intended. Previously, pressing the play button for an album on Spotify auto shuffled songs rather than playing them in order as the artist intended. The shuffle feature is still available when playing an individual track from an album, but the main play button no longer defaults to playing an album song.
00:10:51
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out of order. So I have yet to pay for Spotify Premium because I have this weird thing with subscriptions. Maybe I just don't like to commit. I would like Spotify Premium, but I just have this thing. Why are subscriptions always so hard to cancel? It is impossible to cancel, and I don't know, I get really annoyed with it. So I just listen in on my computer and have the occasional ad.
00:11:21
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It's hard for me to even like, I can't even listen to things like in order if I'm doing it on my phone. So Bianca, you said the other day that you can still shuffle things. So what's the situation on your end?
00:11:34
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While I just opened up my Spotify and now all of my albums that I have downloaded are shuffle free, shuffle button free. But the other day, whenever you had told me about this story, whenever I opened my Spotify, the shuffle button was still there. But I feel like
00:11:53
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i don't know i mean maybe it depends on the way that you press the button or the way that you enter the album but whenever i go to an album i guess maybe i just don't click the play button or the shuffle button first i click on like the first song yeah and then i never really had a
00:12:11
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problem with that, I guess, when I'm listening to an album. But I do love shuffle. I I'm one of those people that listens to a lot of not necessarily albums, but I don't know, I just I like a variety of music. But I guess I do with albums, listen to it start to finish. It's like they're still giving options for you to experience your music and how you want it. But yeah, if you're clicking on
00:12:39
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the album and wanting to listen to it in its entirety it will be more like conscientious of playing start to finish which i do kind of like i think it's fantastic yeah and not that this isn't something that like as Adele mentioned like this isn't like a new things like artists
00:12:58
Speaker
definitely curate their song list. But for some reason, I don't know, maybe for me, everything just goes back to Gaga. But I feel like as of late, this is something that I've just become more apparent of. I think as I start listening to more albums, just in my own music discovery, it's been something I've been more conscientious about.
00:13:20
Speaker
Well, I think for someone who I do pay for Spotify Premium, Spotify Premium is just one of my favorite things in the entire world. Like I just, I use Spotify.
00:13:30
Speaker
every single day of my life. So it's definitely worth it for me. But I feel like before I had Spotify Premium, or I don't know, depending on your living situation or your vehicle situation, like when I was driving a lot in my old vehicle, I was a big radio listener. And now I can't imagine listening to the radio. I think part of the reason why I also haven't gotten Spotify Premium is
00:13:56
Speaker
My car is a 2003 Honda Civic and she does not have an aux cord. And so you best believe I still listen to the radio. Yeah, that's how I was until I got my new car because my old vehicle didn't have an aux cord either. No, I think it's fantastic. I think it makes so much sense. And I guess it is weird that Spotify originated out of a shuffle mentality. I'm kind of
00:14:23
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curious about that, like why shuffle was the default in the first place when they're a music company. Why hasn't this been has this been brought up before? I don't know. I don't know. You know, I know Spotify is kind of interesting in the sense that
00:14:40
Speaker
I learned this from Audrey Gleason, we all go gaga for the Spotify wrapped and I believe that feature was implemented by an intern or it was an intern's idea. Also, in terms of their relationship with artists, I don't believe artists get a huge cut from music on Spotify. I don't know how that works for big name people, but I've talked to Josh a little bit about it in the past and it's the
00:15:09
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you know, not the most bang for your buck. So I don't think any artists, even before Spotify, like with iTunes, I don't think a ton of artists made their money through iTunes either. Yeah. Yeah. So I think they do have Spotify exclusives too. Like now that Spotify is such a major platform, they're all like Spotify exclusive songs. And they did that for Chromatica, like that. And for Christmas too, like I've started listening to holiday music and there's like Spotify singles by different artists that are
00:15:40
Speaker
only on Spotify. Yes. I remember Katy Perry did that. Was it with Amazon music or something? What did she do it with? Because I couldn't listen to that Christmas song. Oh, her cozy little Christmas. Yeah. It was with Apple music or something. Oh, it's on Spotify. Is it on now? But when it first came out, I couldn't listen to it. Interesting. But I don't know. I definitely am totally on board with respecting artists' wishes. I know that it's a platform for both artists and users.
00:16:07
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Spotify stated that this was a long request by both of those people. So yeah, but at the end of the day, I think Adele using her power for good. I love it. I'm here for it. And this album must be listened to at least a few times. Yes. How did you like it? So I really like the album. It's growing on me.
00:16:33
Speaker
But the first track, Strangers by Nature, I could listen to 24-7. The other night I went to bed and I listened to Strangers by Nature just on repeat before I let the album play in full and lull me to sleep. I love Strangers by Nature. I don't know how to describe it. It's just one of those songs that comes out and just fucking makes you feel something.
00:16:59
Speaker
So, Strangers by Nature, oh my god, when I listened to the album the first time, I was driving down here for the holiday, and I was like, holy shit, this album's about to blow me out of the water. And it's a great
00:17:14
Speaker
album i like the sounds i like that it's um she has this like rhythm throughout the whole album that i really enjoy i just don't get the feeling throughout the rest of the album that i do in the first song and so i think for the rest of the album i was like a little bit like just let down because i love the first song so much and
Adele's New Album: Track Highlights and Vocals
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also i hadn't listened to easy on me
00:17:43
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like info and just like heard it on tv or whatever um but easy on me i i really like it i think it's a great song also just like the the noises that she makes like how does that sound like possibly come out of like a human being like it's so beautiful like i just but the i get i get a little lost in the middle of the album it is growing on me but i will say that the last two tracks is that i drink wine
00:18:11
Speaker
No. That one is one of my favorites. To Be Loved. To Be Loved. To Be Loved. I could also listen to a million in one time. It's like, oh my god. That song is... But I also love Love Is A Game also because I can hear Love Is A Game
00:18:31
Speaker
In a movie, when I listen to Love Is A Game, I can picture a movie set and I can picture the story she's telling, but I love the way that the album just opens and closes. I think that that's probably my favorite thing about this album in particular, but I don't know if that also says something like, the beginning and the end tracks are my absolute favorite. To Be Loved, I think, is just unreal. It is so fucking good.
00:18:58
Speaker
It's funny to listen to describe it like that because that's how I felt. I listened to the album while I was finishing this painting for an upcoming show. I didn't know if it was just because I was painting and just having background music, if I wasn't just paying attention to it, but I felt as though I got a little bit lost in the middle, the beginning tracks. I do really like, I drink wine. I think that's kind of like a mood. There are some
00:19:28
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things that stand out on me or like, love is a game. Like I can kind of like, I'm already, I've only listened to that album in its entirety twice, but like I can pick out those like lyrics and there's some songs in the middle that I couldn't even like play in my head right now. They all just sound very like Adele. I'm like, ah, yeah, say some Adele like, you know, bops in the middle. Yeah, I don't know. I think she has a different sound in this album, which I like a lot. Yeah. It's not like typical Adele maybe.
00:19:58
Speaker
I don't know. I still feel like this is an Adele album, but in the sense that there is a song, and I don't know which one it is, but there's this emphasis on some of the background singers that have maybe more of this vintage vibe to them, where they quote what she's saying three times over.
00:20:18
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and that's probably not a helpful descriptor, but there was something about it that I know how much she loves Amy Winehouse and how important Amy Winehouse was to her. It does feel very- She was British and she was a woman and singing these types of songs. She's British and she's a woman. Yeah, but she is. That's why I watched an interview with Adele recently and just going down the research hole and why Amy was so
00:20:45
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important to her because, you know, that representation. But yeah, I don't know. So there was some of that in there, but it just it kind of felt like it felt like an Adele album to me. Yeah. Yeah. But in other kind of music news, we will get into the Gaga of it all here in a little bit. But
Anticipation for Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett Concert
00:21:05
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I believe tonight they are broadcasting the Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett concert.
00:21:12
Speaker
Yes, they are. I'm very excited. That is happening tonight, Sunday, so I hope you guys have watched it by the time this episode comes out, but I definitely will be watching. I wonder if it'll be available on Hulu or something like that.
00:21:28
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I don't know. I think it's going to be on CBS. It is. Yeah, it's CBS special, but anyway, I'm very excited. Yes, we will be watching over here, so I'm probably going to ball my eyes out. Yeah, I could do with a good cry. That sounds so good. Sounds fun.
00:21:43
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Yeah, but I'm not alone. Oh boy. Well, speaking of, I think it's time to bring in our fashion expert, Juliana Boro.
House of Gucci: Fashion and True Crime Elements
00:21:53
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So we are going to take a little break, and when we come back, we will be joined by our special guest to recap House of Gucci.
00:22:30
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Welcome back, everybody. We are here with resident APT fashion expert, one of our favorite APT guests, Miss Juliana Boro. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much. Hi, everyone. It is so good to be here.
00:22:47
Speaker
I'm so glad you're here. This was whenever Gianna and I, you know, saw the first House of Gucci trailer, we were like, it's time. It's time to have Jewel back. And when you texted me about it, I was like, my three favorite things, Gaga, fashion and true crime. So I'm here, I am ready.
00:23:03
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nothing I love more yeah yeah I wish I was there with you guys on my love I kept looking over at Bianca like different scenes and Bianca was like completely immersed just staring at the screen with wide eyes and I was like oh my gosh I just I couldn't wait to talk about it with you guys it's it's one of those things to where I feel like I
00:23:22
Speaker
I can't even blink because I want my eyeballs to soak in every single second of Lady Gaga content that I can get. Do you know what I mean? I just don't even want to close my eyes. All I want to do is stare at her gorgeous face all the time for three hours, which I did. It was great.
00:23:38
Speaker
Um, Jewel, we need to kind of paint a little picture though for the art pop tarts because you arrived in a little bit of a costume in style. I did, I did. Yes, I was wearing ski goggles and a red jacket just like she wears in the Swiss Alps scene.
00:23:57
Speaker
And I had a teacup that I stole from my mom's cupboard and was like, gosh, I hope she doesn't notice this. And a little tiny spoon, because I wanted to do this scene where she says, I'm not the particularly ethical person, but I am fair, which also sounds like I'm from Moscow.
00:24:15
Speaker
But I wanted to do it, and I did it, and I even texted our Aunt Rita. I was like, can you bring your ski goggles? Because I forgot them. And she said, oh, well, I sent her a picture to show her the ski goggles. And she was like, I have a red jacket. And I was like, bring that too. And then she was like, do you want me to bring ski poles? And I was like, no, I'm OK. And she was like, that was a joke. I was like, OK.
00:24:37
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So, teacup in hand, I was ready. And also I got the most premium photo of Juliana at the movie theater also. I really hope that lady got us all in because I just want her to know the lengths that we will go to just embody her in any type of way. And Juliana truly looked incredible.
00:24:56
Speaker
That is so sweet. Thank you. It's really funny because, Bianca, you had sent me that Snapchat, or Jewel did, and then I saw the photo that you posted. But right before Theven was talking to me about how, he's like, you know, like, Jewel kind of, like, looks like Lady Gaga.
00:25:14
Speaker
And he's like very convinced that you look like Gaga. But I think there are like a lot of things in which I also agree with him. Like I think that in some ways you guys have the same face shape. I do think that you probably looked more like her before you got your nose job. I hear it. But you guys are the same size. You are the same size. I know. I'm literally the same size too. And also please thank Theven for me. Tell him that he's my favorite person in the world. That's not true but thank you and thank you for saying that too.
00:25:42
Speaker
I read online that someone said that she was encapsulating, short girl Italian energy, which is something that I strive for every day. So with that in mind, Bianca and I wanted to open up this conversation about the movie, just kind of shooting the shit. But one of the things that I noticed, Jewel,
00:26:06
Speaker
like in terms of Gaga's stature is that she felt like small to me in this movie and I feel like when I've seen her like on the stage or when I see her in like other movies I'm not as aware of her size but and this one like Patricia is is a very tiny person and so obviously like she fit the stature for that film but this was the first time I had seen her where I'm like very aware that she is a very short person
00:26:34
Speaker
Mm-hmm totally in like her red jumpsuit in the Swiss Alps when she did like a wide shot where she's walking towards What's her name? Paula Paula. She looked so small and so short and that's when I was like, whoa, like she is tiny I also think the actress who played her was kind of the entity. What is that word? Antisisis Antisis I can't say it. It's not happening this morning Opposite
00:27:04
Speaker
It's opposite of Patricia or Lady Gaga. You know this tall, super slender blonde chick. Blonde, yeah. I also, I was telling Juliana this, I noticed Lady Gaga's size in comparison to Adam Driver also because we got to talk about the sex scene too because that was nice and steamy.
00:27:28
Speaker
Adam Driver has his hands around Lady Gaga's waist. First of all, I mean, we all know what Adam Driver's hands look like. Adam Driver's hands around Lady Gaga. I was peeling some veils. I was like, oh my word. I know. I was like, Adam Driver's about to snap Gaga in half.
00:27:51
Speaker
He was. Oh, gosh. I wasn't even looking at his hands. I was looking at her butt. And now I've got to watch it back just to see his hands. I know. Of course, we are big fans of Lady Gaga's ass on the show. And when we got a nice shot of it, I was like, oh, thank you. Thank you. Maybe the one good thing Ridley Scott has ever done. Truly. Should I read that quote from that tweet that I sent you guys? Yes, I was going to say, please do.
00:28:20
Speaker
Okay, so from Gaga Daily, there is a tweet from Aphrodite Lizzie that says, the Oscars should go to Lady Gaga's wig glue during the sex scene in House of Gucci because baby girl got railed and it didn't move a millimeter. Amazing. Truly such a good scene. And she was talking, they were talking about it on the Graham Northam show as well, which was pretty funny.
00:28:49
Speaker
One of the things I thought was about that Gaga daily post that you shared, Bianca, I can't remember if it was in the caption, but they asked the question, like, did you laugh? Did you, like, did you giggle, like, in relation to the sex scene? And I was like, you know what, that's so funny, because I didn't know what to do. So I did, like, I giggled, like, I laughed. And I'm not, like, I don't, I don't think I'm not a person who particularly laughs at sex scenes. But I was just like, Oh, my
00:29:20
Speaker
I thought that was amazing. That was one of the best sex scenes I've ever seen. I was in shock. Yeah, I was in shock. I just kept going. I was like, like, escalating. And I read online that Adam Driver said that he was like, yeah, we got into it. All the noises were ad-libbed. And I was like, we got into it. What does that mean? Oh my god. Spicy. He said that they shot it a month into shooting, so they felt comfortable with each other. That's nice. Interesting. So the other thing about the sex scene, and maybe this is a good transition into some other parts of the film,
00:29:50
Speaker
But the transition from them like banging very, very hard and then we get that stark transition and it's Gaga in white and it's her wedding date. That was probably the best transition of the film. I loved that transition a lot of the beginning of the film. Not that I didn't enjoy the end of the film, but I really liked a lot of the scenes in the beginning of the film when we're kind of watching the beginning of Maurizio and Patricia's
00:30:19
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relationship. I really liked seeing that and I loved the wedding scene except I have one, this is a weird thing, but I thought the song Faith that played during the wedding scene was just a little too like weird for me. I don't know what it was about that song in particular that I just like, not that it ruined the scene, it just like I thought was a weird song Joyce.
00:30:40
Speaker
I thought the music choices were interesting in the sense that they're nostalgic, they were for the time period, but they also had a really strong presence. The music was a little bit distracting. I kind of felt the same way. What was the song that they used for the trailer?
00:30:58
Speaker
Heart of Glass. Heart of Glass. Yeah, that was the song I think I found like the least distracting. Yeah. But that original song has, I don't know, more of like a softer like tone to it. But yeah, I don't know. It was like, it's not that the music like doesn't work. Like it's
00:31:15
Speaker
it's appropriate for the time, but I agree. There was something about it that was a little bit distracting. A lot of the other music didn't bother me. I kind of want to listen to the soundtrack. I wonder if it's on Spotify. But the Heart of Glass version, I liked that it was Heart of Glass, but it was just a different version. Should we do highs and lows of the movie? Our favorite and not so favorite things on the movie.
00:31:39
Speaker
It was also just their relationship in the beginning, like they did seem very cute together. I think the sad part was in reading these kind of quotes about Maurizio and how he said that Petrizio looked like Elizabeth Taylor.
00:31:56
Speaker
It truly felt like to sacrifice so much for her and to be with her that he really did like truly like love her. And so as the film progressed, I think they captured that like actual loving relationship very well. And that's a testament to, you know, Adam and Gaga. And then it just made everything all the more devastating.
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah, it was almost how we were talking about Adele earlier. I think the time period or like the time span timeline, that's what I'm going for. The timeline was a little bit like rushed or I wish I had more like time or like date stamps in the film because I felt like the middle from me was maybe a little bit lost. And then I really liked the beginning because I liked the relationship. And then of course, like we get the plot to murder Maurizio and that is enticing.
00:32:43
Speaker
But the middle, I don't know, there was just like a lot of things that happened and I wasn't sure of the timeline.
00:32:50
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And to me, it seemed like you were supposed to gauge the timeline kind of based on the growth of their daughter. And not that that was a bad thing, but she would the daughter was the thing that kind of like was the key to helping you stay tethered to like the years that we're going by. Because by the end of the film, she's like a teenager, you know, so it's well, the other confusing thing about that to me when I looked it up later is that they had two daughters.
00:33:20
Speaker
right yes they did and so i'm like what i'm like i kept waiting for her to get pregnant with the second daughter yeah oh they seem like they're gonna get a divorce but she still has to have that other kid right right yeah and by the time it's like christmas and that's like their kind of big family moment with the three of them even though it's not like the happiest moment i'm like where's your other kid right
00:33:42
Speaker
right and also something too that we found out later is that Maurizio and Paola were together for five years before Maurizio was murdered so like his relationship with Paola too was very long-standing like I mean that's a very long time five years to still go back and plot to murder your
00:34:04
Speaker
Your ex-husband. I guess if they weren't legally divorced, also five years to still be just separated is a very long time, I think. And then she wasn't convicted until three years. It took like three years. Right. 97, I think, is when, yeah. No, I think it was 98. And 95.
00:34:25
Speaker
I think she was convicted in 98, right? Okay, maybe the trial started in 97. Yeah. Yeah, so the timeline was very odd. I think we can all agree on that one. Yeah, more time stamps would have been good. Should we talk about our other Debbie Downer of the whole movie? Truly a disgrace to all Italians watching. Freaking Jared Leto. Oh, boy. Oh, my gosh. What the F?
00:34:55
Speaker
None of that made any sense to me. I was embarrassed for him watching it. I felt cringey and uncomfortable and I wanted to disappear. It just I first of all, let's just celebrate the triumph that was Adam Driver and Lady Gaga.
00:35:11
Speaker
excellent actors, excellent at being authentic in their characters, their accents were amazing. Just their performance, they were embodying Patricia and Maurizio. And
Critiquing Performances in House of Gucci
00:35:25
Speaker
Jared Leto comes in and is standing next to them and just acting a fool as a caricature of an Italian man.
00:35:34
Speaker
And it was offensive. Absolutely. At first I thought what would bother me was the makeup that I could see, but actually that was not the most offensive part. And actually it wasn't that bad. In the movie I didn't feel like I was like, oh my gosh, look, maybe a few scenes like when he's laying down he has like this fake double chin. I was a little like, eh. But the acting was a master in overacting.
00:35:58
Speaker
it was just I think also not only the stereotype of the Italian but also the stereotype of the artist too because he wants to be this designer and I wish that we would have gotten like a better shot of the sketches that he brings in to Maurizio's father because I was kind of curious about that because I thought it was interesting
00:36:22
Speaker
one of the first scenes that we get of Paolo is he's in this like pink like corduroy looking like suit and I was thinking how that feels very much like a modern kind of like Gucci suit exactly the more research I did about Paolo the more information I got about basically his biggest legacy or his biggest contribution to Gucci was the logo and how we see like the double
00:36:50
Speaker
GE situation on like belts and that was kind of his biggest biggest accomplishment. But yeah, maybe like it because he was a part of the plot. I mean, we did get looks of of his clothing, you know, when Patricia is like manipulating him in his house and trying to get him to
00:37:11
Speaker
you know, leak information about Aldo. But on top of that, I didn't understand why they went to the lengths to put him in this makeup when it didn't even look like the original dude, like the real dude. Right, exactly. And Gianna, you know, what I kept thinking too, is you and I had that fear. I think the moment we found out that Ridley Scott was the director of this movie, I think you and I had very strong concerns about casting.
00:37:41
Speaker
outside of Lady Gaga and Adam Driver. I think Al Pacino was fantastic. Selma Hayek was, you know, she was pretty good. She wasn't in it that much, but she was good. She also didn't look like the woman, you know, Pina, but I guess, you know, that's Ridley Scott. You know, he's gonna cast a star and not someone who's kind of authentic, but yeah, Jared was just
00:38:05
Speaker
his performance was really really bothersome but I also had the same thought in regards to his fashion. I will say like that Corduroy suit and his ideas throughout the film I thought were gonna play a larger role in the making of what Gucci is today because his outfits did feel very centric to to the brand's identity today which we'll get into a little bit later but
00:38:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah my other casting complaint also as much as I love Jeremy Irons as an actor He was just like a regular British man and I did not feel like he was as committed to
00:38:47
Speaker
Playing an Italian like I feel like Lady Gaga and Adam Driver Al Pacino were hitting it right in the middle like right on the money and then on the two opposite ends of the spectrum you have Jared Leto just going above and beyond us this caricature and then Jeremy Irons whose accent is just like fading in and out between like part Italian and part Brita
00:39:07
Speaker
I also you know it's funny that you describe like Jared Leto as being this like caricature of an Italian because did you guys notice that he thought it would be a good idea to give himself a catchphrase and it was like boof kept saying boof boof and I really when I was watching the film I only noticed it like once after they
00:39:30
Speaker
like Aldo was signing over his shares and it was like, he's done. And then Jared Leto exits the room and he's like, Boof. And then later on, you know, reading articles about how like, oh, Boof, well, sure. You know, it was an artistic choice by the actor, but it will be sure to, you know, make an impression in pop culture. And I'm like, the fuck it does. Like, what was that? Like, it was dumb. Like, Boof, really? Like, really, Jared, did you think that would
00:39:58
Speaker
That's not cute. And it wasn't anything, even again, the original Paolo person said, again, this was like an artistic choice that they thought would be fun for the film. It was not. Yeah, no, it was not. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.
00:40:20
Speaker
The other quote that I wanted to tell you guys and I've been meaning to tell you this for like it just got me so mad was that they interviewed Jared Leto about playing an Italian and he said, I'm like paraphrasing but this basically what he said is that he was so Italian by the end of making it that he had parmesan cheese in his blood is what he said and that he had olive oil running through his veins and that he was snorting pasta sauce. I'm like that's not what Italian is it's like that just
00:40:47
Speaker
Proves to me that he saw it as a caricature. Oh I'm sure he was not but that's how Italian he was that his whole body Also, do you know do you know anything about pasta salt? Like do you do you know anything about like the the variety like? Do you just think like you're talking about like a fucking ragu and you're being like an asshole like yeah, yeah
00:41:10
Speaker
Also, I know Jared Leto is, is he a method actor? And I know there was all those stories about him like playing the Joker and him like enthralling himself in the character. And like, I'm all for you being a method actor, but I'm also, you can do that in a way where you're not being an asshole. Right.
00:41:32
Speaker
The whole, his whole thing, oh that makes me so mad. That quote makes my blood boil. Makes my olive oily blood boil. It's like he just went to an Olive Garden and just decided this is what it is now to be an Italian. Like, oh my god.
00:41:46
Speaker
I know that in you know, I'm all for things having like an artistic take or having someone to provide like comedic relief in a drama that is like very heavy. But that wasn't what that character provided if that was the goal. Right? Yeah, right. It was a distraction. Yes. Yes. Definitely.
00:42:07
Speaker
Well, are there any other pits and peaks of the film we'd like to discuss before we ask some more questions? For me, I feel like we hit it on the head. I think I'm ready to ask Jewel some good questions. Let's do it. So let me kick this off. Jewel, what do you know about Gucci before this movie? How was it discussed as a fashion house when you were in school?
00:42:33
Speaker
Sure, so I studied fashion at the University of Delaware, fashion merchandising. So for the majority of my education, I feel like we talked about Gucci a few times, mostly in fashion history courses, like the fact that it started as a leather goods company. So in the movie, they talk about that too. Gucci O Gucci was a bellhop.
00:42:53
Speaker
And then he worked in a luggage store and then he owned his own luggage store. So it started out as luggage and then kind of expanded to accessories. So that's like what I remember learning about. But we also mostly talked about it in terms of their legal counterfeit issues. Basically, they're very vocal about stamping out anyone counterfeiting their products.
00:43:16
Speaker
And so to give you kind of an idea, like in the late 70s, they had about 200 lawsuits going on to end counterfeiting. And we saw that in the movie too, Lady Gaga or Pajitia was very upset about it. In the 80s, it went to thousands of lawsuits in the world. So they really did not
00:43:34
Speaker
you know let it go kind of like Aldo was saying right that's really interesting yeah and um they're still doing it today actually um they just had a lawsuit with Alibaba I read um they said that they would not be selling real Gucci things on their site unless Alibaba takes the counterfeit ones down which is understandable yeah yeah so that's mostly what I remember and I went to college a little bit early
00:43:57
Speaker
than you two, so I don't have the best memory of college, but I'm a little old. But that is what I remember hearing about mostly at school about Gucci. I also just want to say that if I ever have a son, I will name him Guccio Gucci. That was such a good name. Fantastic name. I mean, you can't find a better name out there. It's luxurious. Guccio Gucci. Wow.
00:44:24
Speaker
What a great name. That's super interesting. That's interesting that Aldo was kind of ambivalent to all of that in the movie when it seems to be a pivotal point of the brand itself.
00:44:37
Speaker
Yeah, I was surprised at that one. He was like, let the Long Island wife believe that she can wear. I thought that was a little weird because I would be a little upset too. I think it is kind of knocking the luxury part of it down. You know, if everyone has these fake ones, but I guess they, in real life, they were very litigious about it. So thinking about that, what did you think about the Gucci brand as a whole and its fashion before seeing this movie? Like what were your personal ideas about Gucci?
00:45:06
Speaker
So for Gucci, what really comes to mind for me is Tom Ford. I just knew very generally that like it wasn't doing well. Tom Ford kind of came in and revitalized it, kind of like what Karl Lagerfeld did for Chanel. So I really thought of Gucci in terms of like the Tom Ford rebranding of it, like very sleek and sexy. So I just basically knew the differences, but I worked at Nordstrom for a few years and I worked in the accessories department, sunglasses department.
00:45:32
Speaker
and I sold so many Gucci sunglasses. So personally, not because I was a good salesperson, I'm a terrible salesperson, but you know, you're there for a while and you tend to sell a lot of Gucci. They had the bamboo arms.
00:45:45
Speaker
arms for sunglasses or these things. People just loved the bamboo design, so they were going like hotcakes for a while. When I think of Gucci, I think of accessories because I worked in that department. I did like in the film that we did get that turning point and how we got the fashion show, we got to see like the assless chaps with the thong.
00:46:07
Speaker
I was looking up some images from the original runway show and they had a nice sleek Gucci thong in the mix. I thought that was cool that that did make an appearance in the film. Let's get into the film a little bit more. You've talked with us before about your education and costume history. Can you talk about how the clothing for this film came together? What did we see that made us believe this was the clothing of the major fashion house?
00:46:37
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely.
Costume Design and Vintage Fashion in House of Gucci
00:46:38
Speaker
This was like super fun to research, by the way. I could have looked this up for like hours, which I did. So there are a few different ways that the costume designer, her name is Jantee Yates. She also, she's worked with Ridley Scott a long time. Like it's like they're like her right hand man woman.
00:46:55
Speaker
So she did a lot of different methods to create the look from the movie. There are actually 60 to 70 outfits just for Gaga. Not all of them made the final cut of the movie, but that's like a lot for a movie. And this is a fun fact. Lady Gaga insisted that no article of clothing or accessory was to be repeated scene to scene, even earrings. So like if they finished a scene and they knew they were done with that particular like scene that she would take off the earrings, they would put them away and they would start from scratch the next day building like the other one.
00:47:24
Speaker
Even the ring, which I thought was interesting, because I was like, isn't that her wedding ring? Oh, really? But if you look at it, I don't know that it repeats. But maybe it does, but they said every piece of jewelry does not repeat. So that was interesting. So there are a few different places from where they actually got the outfits. One was the Gucci archives. But the Gucci archives were actually in the middle of moving during filming. They were being moved to a different area. So they only had a really small selection.
00:47:53
Speaker
So there were a couple ones in the movies that were actually vintage Gucci when she gets the divorce papers and she's wearing like the double G shirt blouse with a leather skirt. That was really Gucci. And then in the earlier scenes, she's wearing the Saint Laurent Chanel Burberry because the real Petrucci really did not like wearing Gucci. She preferred to wear these other designers and at the time,
00:48:20
Speaker
she was really more an accessories company than apparel. And so she preferred to wear the other ones. So for like those outfits, they went to costume houses and also they went online. So the Burberry coat she's wearing where she kind of flips it, that was her idea, Gaga's idea to flip it so you can see the plaid on the outside. They got that online. I'm like, can you imagine selling something and then you just see it in a movie? Like, that's amazing.
00:48:47
Speaker
And then other outfits were just recreations of actual Gucci costumes or outfits. So the wedding dress she wears, she actually did wear Gucci, Petruchio wore Gucci. But the costume designers thought that the real dress she wore was more like, quote, I think it was up.
00:49:09
Speaker
Catholic girl trying to please her dad. Like they didn't think that in the movie she would be wearing that. So they kind of spiced it up a little bit with a high low gown and illusion bodice. And then so for that, they just kind of went over archive footage, they did photographs, making the looks and then recreating them and Gucci gave them complete creative freedom. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, to create those. And then what's most exciting is that Gaga opened up her own vintage
00:49:36
Speaker
Wardrobe for them to use so she actually collects vintage pieces and she said they could use whatever they needed So the one of them only went to the final cut But it's the scene where she's at the Versace show and she's wearing a chain-nail shirt and skirt. That's from her own wardrobe. Oh yeah, so different methods for like getting everything together and then if we're talking about the men's and
00:49:59
Speaker
which I kind of is a little footnote for me. You know, I'm not too interested in men's work, to be honest. And when you have Gaga on the screen, it's like, she takes my full attention. But they got those suits from Taylor's from Savile Row and an Italian brand called Zegna. Never heard of. And also fun fact, Adam Driver was offered the suits to take home with him. He didn't want any of the suits because he felt like if he did, he would
00:50:24
Speaker
be think he would think that he was Maurizio. Oh, that makes sense. Yes. So he only took the low for a song. Oh, interesting. Yes.
00:50:32
Speaker
I need a pair of Gucci loafers. Julianna and I, whenever we got home, I was like, what can I buy? Yes. I need a pair of Gucci loafers. That's funny. I was reading something. Yeah, the gold leaf ones. The gold leaf was an artistic choice. There are those loafers and how rare they are, but the gold leaf was just a choice by the movie.
00:50:55
Speaker
That's interesting. Just an added selling point, I guess, to make the movie more interesting. The gold leaf had to be the marker in the sense that Aldo knew then and there he was betrayed by Maurizio. Right. That makes sense. That was a cool scene. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. That was an interesting scene. And Al Pacino in that scene I thought was very powerful. Yeah.
00:51:18
Speaker
Do you think Al Pacino, I'm sorry, can we just like, I really wonder what he thinks about Jared Leto. I was like, that in the sense worked in favor of
00:51:32
Speaker
Al Pacino's performance, like loathing this person. Yeah, maybe. So true, maybe he was method acting. I also thought that about Adam Driver, Lady Gaga, when they were in scenes with him, were they like, oh my god, this is so weird. I don't know. I don't know. I can't imagine that, Lady Gaga. I mean, I don't want to speak for my queen, but that must be rough.
00:51:57
Speaker
Carrying the whole freaking movie on her back. Honestly. There's a pitiful point, speaking of that show, the Versace show, where the audience starts to realize that Gucci is not necessarily at the caliber globally that we know it today.
00:52:16
Speaker
And there's a person, Walter, who says this to Maurizio. And then later we see the new Tom Ford show for Gucci, which reminds us of the brand's identity today. Like we start to get that more recognizable feature, I suppose. So what can you tell us about this evolution of Gucci kind of failing and how did Tom bring it in and bring it back to life and what was so innovative about him?
00:52:42
Speaker
that he became
Tom Ford's Impact on Gucci's Brand Identity
00:52:43
Speaker
the creative director. Yeah. Sure. That's a good question. Um, so in the mid to late eighties, Gucci mass produced a ton of product in an effort to like boost sales and it worked. They increased sales, but it also kind of, they lost their exclusive position as like a luxury retailer. Um, so Maurizio Gucci hired a woman named Dawn Mello to be the new creative director.
00:53:05
Speaker
And she tried to put Gucci back on track. The stores went from 1,000 to 180, so she closed a bunch of stores. She also reduced the amount of items sold, 22,000 to 7,000. So she really limited the amount that was out there to kind of create that exclusive feeling again.
00:53:25
Speaker
She revived the classic bamboo bag and the loafer, so she kind of went back to the basics. And then she hired, most importantly, an up and coming designer in America called Tom Ford. And eventually he became the new creative director. So she hired him as the woman's wear, ready to wear.
00:53:42
Speaker
designer and then he became the creative director later. So she in the movie Maurizio, doesn't he find him? Yeah, Domenico and Marie like Domenico said you should take a look at this guy from Texas and then they bring him in and Maurizio interviews Tom Ford who we later find out is Tom Ford.
00:54:02
Speaker
Right. And then, so they kind of cut her out of the whole movie, basically, which is interesting. And so when they do hire Tom Ford, he kind of introduces these sexy white cutout dresses, and I Googled them, and it's kind of like a hole right by the hip that people have just gone crazy for. And so after that, he, that's kind of the starting point. He becomes more, the designs become more and more sexualized. So like Yank, or Gianna was saying, there's like the G string.
00:54:29
Speaker
the assless chaps and then their ads become more sexualized so there's like an ad where it's like the double G that's shaved in pubic hair so they're really like pushing the envelope and Maurizio didn't love that and the woman Don Mello who I mentioned she had a quote that said that
00:54:48
Speaker
Maurizio was thinking more in terms of like round and brown and that Tom Ford was more square and black. So to me, that felt like she was saying Tom Ford was seeing more in the future. He was more sleek and sexy.
00:55:02
Speaker
Maurizio was kind of hanging back a little bit. So then if we go to what's happening today, we have a new creative director, Alessandro Michele, and he kind of taking Gucci into like what's known as geek chic. And it's kind of more sophisticated. It's androgynous. He did revitalize the double G's, which are like really big right now in all their designs, which I think we looked at on. Yeah, they're like repeating in like,
00:55:30
Speaker
one pieces and kind of zip ups and they're doing really soupy soupy. Good soup. It's good. Adam Driver. Good soup. Super chunky heels. So kind of like geeky or what would have been geeky and fanny packs, things like that. And oversized glasses, kind of like Adam Driver wore in the film, like these 70s style really big glasses.
00:55:56
Speaker
And it's doing really well for the company. So I looked it up in the first half of 2021, their sales racked up to 5.2 billion dollars. And they're really being spurred on by like Billie Eilish. She's just been wearing it everywhere. Lizzo wore like a head to toe double G kind of cape dress. That was really cool.
00:56:14
Speaker
And of course, Jared Leto has been in Gucci, not just because of the movie, but he was a fan of Gucci. Yeah. And Harry Styles, you know, also wore Gucci to the 2019 Camp Met Gala. And that's also what I think of Gucci, I think of 2019. I don't know. And yeah, back to like the Androgyny, we talked about their perfume ads. Miley's doing a collab with Gucci Flower.
00:56:37
Speaker
Also, I think Gucci tights also are huge, which I really want to pair the little bows with the G in the middle. The Gucci bow tights are... I feel like a lot of people are investing in those as well. They're very trendy right now too, so that's really interesting. I got to get some... I was on the reel reel afterwards. I should buy Gucci everything now.
00:57:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think in terms of creative direction to the film hit on the fact, I don't know that Maurizio may have not been the best businessman. But also, you know, this was a family company, a fairly new company in terms of like, I like Chanel has like a probably a longer history, but then to do the 180 into something like that
00:57:31
Speaker
that turned very sexy, very fast and kind of branching away from those family values, which I thought was so interesting that Maurizio in particular felt the need to have because during this time in the film, I feel like doesn't even hit on the fact about how many lawsuits were actually happening between family members at that time.
00:57:59
Speaker
It felt very much like a facade, but I do wonder at that time too, like how much the public was aware of all these different
00:58:08
Speaker
lawsuits and the tension between the family as well. Probably not much, I can't imagine. Also, it seems like a small family, too. The Gucci empire, at least in the movie or the major players that we're getting, are kind of, what, four people? The two brothers. I think there's two cousins, Patizia. And then Gucci or Gucci, who's mentioned in the film.
00:58:38
Speaker
There was two other cousins, I don't know if they were brothers of Paulo or Maurizio, that were probably shareholders. I don't want to say major players, but had a stake in the family company. We have Guccio Guccio as being this grandfather of the company, but then really getting it taken over by his two sons.
00:59:03
Speaker
right off the bat. It's so sad that we find out there's no one in the Gucci family involved. Just in the sense that Gucci does feel like a very young company. Again, just going back to what you were saying with someone like Chanel, which I know, we're not big Chanel fans at the show, but
00:59:20
Speaker
you know she's not a living player anymore and then like with Versace obviously oh I love that we got a little shot of Gianni too in the movie um but obviously we have Donatella today I just think it's so interesting that for a young
00:59:36
Speaker
such a young fashion house. We don't have any of those family members attached to what it is. And we didn't get that for very long. Like three generations, two and a half generations of Gucci's.
00:59:51
Speaker
Um, so Jewel, what were your favorite looks of the film? That's a fun one to kind of end on. Yes. Oh, there are so many. So I audibly gasped at the scene where- She did. She really did. I heard her. And I was like, Oh, this is a very Jewel.
01:00:08
Speaker
that's so sweet for you to say and it is this is like my ideal outfit would be it's the one where she goes to like the cow farm where they're making it the leather goods Aldo's farm is it and she's wearing a blue blouse tucked into like a midi length big full skirt very like Sophia Lauren and she I thought looked the most beautiful in that scene when they're sitting down talking to him they're doing close-ups she looks so tan she has dark hair it was like a very Italian yes I just love the energy
01:00:36
Speaker
So that was one of mine. Of course the outfit where she is skiing, that red like cinched, smashed, snatched waist was stunning. I loved her. And she also looked beautiful on the net too. Look at the matching goggles and everything. I thought that was great.
01:00:53
Speaker
And then I was thinking last night about another one and I forgot about the late combo scene where she's wearing like, she's meeting Aldo for the first time, the whole family for the first time. She's wearing like that white dress with the white cape. And she also looks very like Italian, like this hourglass figure. Ugh, there's like too many. And we gotta call out the Joe Calderone scene. Were you getting Joe Calderone vibes at the end where she's wearing like the leather jacket?
01:01:20
Speaker
You know, it's funny because in the trailer I was trying to pinpoint like, I wonder like where this moment in that in the film is this going to take place because she's not wearing the most glam outfit. I thought this was like a before Gucci scene. This was Petrizia like before she met Maurizio kind of. But it looked very 90s I thought. Like it just like that whole vibe was like punk 90s or something. Totally. Yes. That was a great scene that she just acted into. So I was just like,
01:01:50
Speaker
For the art pop tarts, if you don't know, Joe Calderone is Lady Gaga's alter ego featured in you and I, if you're curious, but we'll post some images. I'm so glad that Juliana and I had the same thought because as soon as she was on screen, I was like, wait a second. I was like, that's Lady Gaga.
01:02:12
Speaker
one thing that we didn't talk about too much just in regards to her like hiring the hip man with like Pina's involvement in that. You know, the movie didn't really like pinpoint how close Patricia and Pina really were and how at one point Pina was so trusted she owned a Gucci store. Wow, I had no idea. Man, that's wild. Truly, I don't know.
01:02:41
Speaker
I was
Mystical Influences in House of Gucci
01:02:42
Speaker
telling Juliana and Rosella and Rita that Pina was giving me Rasputin vibes. Like Alexandria's connection to Rasputin and I thought there was something that's supposed to be kind of very mystical about Patricia's like invatuation with Pina and I thought for me, I don't know, just that.
01:03:08
Speaker
that comparison is what I kept kind of going back to, but there's this kind of figure that someone is so blindly trusting, has all this faith into, but the viewers can just see so clearly. There's no rationale to that type of relationship because the viewers can just see so clearly that Pina's milking it raw, she's taking mud baths, she's going to the Cayman Islands, all this kind of stuff, but there's just no rationale for that type of
01:03:36
Speaker
Yeah, relationship I suppose. I think in real life they met like Patricia Maurizio like met Pina while on like vacation somewhere.
01:03:48
Speaker
but I did really like the artistic meeting in the film of Gaga calling and just being like, what's your name? Hi, Pina. There was something about that little moment and that interaction that I did really like. The same goes for Pina's vision of Maurizio first cheating on Patricio or meeting Paola and how
01:04:16
Speaker
In that moment, we have this one fleeting moment where Peanut isn't just a total scammer. She's actually having this vision, which is, again, not realistic or true to the real happenings, but for the film, it humanizes her for a second. That's interesting. Well, friends, are there any other thoughts that you guys have
01:04:42
Speaker
For this recap, Adam Driver has a beautiful smile. Oh, very good, astute point. I have to make that note. My heart melted every time he smiled. He looks so much like Maurizio, and I feel like he got skinny for this role, or they made him feel... Because we're so used to seeing him these days being in Star Wars with the maraudish, widest shoulders I've ever seen in my entire life.
01:05:07
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Totally. I like that dark hair I don't like. I like him with his lighter hair. He just looks so much better. And I like his curly coming in here. We'll of course we will be updating you but I wonder if there's a chance for nomination for Best Actress in a leading role coming up here soon. It definitely depends on what other films come out. I think her and Adam Driver
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definitely have shots at that. I will, you know, be making a personal phone call to Ridley Scott if Jared Leto gets any type of nomination. But I'm also curious about the costuming, the makeup for Jared Leto, I might see as something that would get a nod to, you know, I could see that. But again, I don't know what other movies are on the horizon. But we shall see. So
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Yeah. Hoping everything for my girl. Well, I told Bianca when I left the theater, I really didn't have any thoughts. I didn't
Mixed Feelings About House of Gucci Movie
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know how I felt about it. I had thoughts about Gaga and Adam and how they were just very stellar. But the movie as a whole, my mind was kind of blank afterwards. I needed some time to think about how I felt about it. It wasn't like after I saw Stars Born and was just
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bawling my eyes out, you know? Yes. Yeah. Great. Yeah. All right, everyone. Well, we hope you enjoyed this recap of House of Gucci. Juliana, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm so glad that you were able to not only see the movie with us, but thank you so much for doing all this research for us today. Thank you so much for having me on. It was my pleasure. I had so much fun.
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