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Soccer Dad w/ Two Bit Woodworks
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Jeff and Keith from Two Bit Woodworks sit down this week and catch up on Keith's shop build-out and more. Listen in and enjoy!
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Rob's Absence and Keith's Introduction
00:00:53
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Welcome back.
00:00:56
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Rob is absent today. He's a little under the weather, but I am joined by our good buddy, Keith. Hey, everybody. How are you doing? Two-bit Woodworks. Yes. Before I forget, there's a paper. It's probably the top paper over there.
00:01:09
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Yes. You're going to have to be the fill in ad read today. All right. So, we'll find a segue into that somewhere about halfway in. Okay. If I don't forget, which happens pretty much every week. All of them? The pink is you. Pink is me.
00:01:29
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So yeah, what's been up?
Keith's Personal Life and Soccer Commitments
00:01:30
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Not much. It's gotten a new house about a year and a half ago. Finally starting to get the shop kind of moving. Starting actually recording again. I've been getting a lot of mess. Not a lot. I've gotten a few messages saying, you know,
00:01:46
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Hey, we haven't seen any videos from you in a while. Like what's up? What's going on? So it's just been a very, I think ever since I had the shoulder surgery, it's kind of been like a, you know, I'll work in a shop and then I'll break and I'll work in a shop and then take a break. And soccer has a very strong hold on free time.
00:02:04
Speaker
Yeah. So we were talking about that at maker camp. That's the last time we saw you was maker camp. And, um, so your son was on what to travel teams. He was on, he plays for one travel team, but he's on like the A and the B team. It was kind of in between. Um, there's controversy with that, but you know, it is, it is what it is. Um, it's, it is soccer, you know, it's pay to play system, but he enjoys it. He has fun with it, but it takes up a lot of time.
00:02:33
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It's crazy when we were kids, I mean, did you play sports? I did. I played soccer, hockey. Yeah. Yeah. I played football, lacrosse. And I mean, I feel like there was definitely a time commitment, maybe because I didn't play soccer. I think soccer is pretty hardcore, but it wasn't like, I feel like it wasn't as big of a time commitment back then.
00:02:56
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I did like the New Jersey state team for a while as a goal is pretty good. And then and now there's all these academies and everything. And that's where he plays is at an academy. So, you know, we're in a new league. So we're going up like Saturday. He's got a game in Connecticut. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, we've had games up here 40, which is really cool. We've had some
00:03:21
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Queens, Bronx, Manhattan, so we're getting really cool backdrops on this and it's a good experience for him. You get the chance to go out with some teammates after and get dinner, whatever, but it's a good experience, but it's the miles, the gas, and the time is just a lot. Yeah, and when it's your kid, you're like,
00:03:41
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you know, you got to do it. Yeah. And he loves it. He loves it. Like we just sent him some new training on Monday and cause he was kind of like losing it a little bit, a little bit at fire. And he got there and like halfway through, he was just like, Oh, this is fun. You know, my wife and I were like, Oh, it reminds us of this, like that Ted Lasso episode where they brought one of the guys back to like regain that
00:04:06
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at fun out of it and he did and like he had training real training for his team on Tuesday and it was just like a light switch again and he was just on fire so it was good yeah you got to keep it fresh you know i guess if you play you play with the same people all the time and you're you know it could
00:04:25
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get dull. Yeah, it gets stale, same training over and over again. So we tend to like three days a week is his travel team or his Academy team. And then we do one day with the personal trainer and maybe one day doing that other training. So, and then sometimes games, Saturday, Sunday. So there are times, I think we, our streak is 14 or 14 days straight with soccer.
00:04:51
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What position does he play? Striker. So that's what, like a... Forward. Okay. Yeah, I don't really know soccer, but... Yeah. So my wife actually just joined an adult league and they play... Where the hell is it?
00:05:06
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I want to say it might be wall township. Um, so she's, she just turned 37 and hasn't played soccer in probably over 20 years. So she joined her sister who's turning 40 and another girl that they know who's younger, but, um,
00:05:25
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So yesterday they had their first like, I don't think there's practice. It's just like games. It's like, it's like when my son played soccer for five year olds. It's like, you just show up practices for like three minutes and then they play two games. And she's like, yeah, we got beat 11 to one. Yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah.
00:05:43
Speaker
They have a lot of leagues like adult leagues in Tenton Falls. Maybe that's where it is. Yeah, that's the one. That's where my son plays like full time. So that's their home fields. Where is that? Is that like where Capelli is? Yeah. Yeah. So it's the Capelli. It's off of behind ShopRite. Oh, it's up by. I want to say off of Hope Road that way. Oh, OK.
00:06:11
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I'm thinking of on Shrewsbury Avenue, you know, like the Shrewsbury Shop, right? Oh, yeah. Isn't that Capelli right there, too? It's something like the one we go to is the one up by where Fort Monmouth used to be. It's up that area. Oh.
00:06:29
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Yeah. That's, you know, without the wah wah and the tractor supplies. Oh, yeah. That part of foremost. Yeah. Okay. Like Shafto road. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's, it's nice. It's fun. I never played soccer.
00:06:49
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I don't think I would have been cut out for it. Not much of a runner. Neither of mine. So that's why I still don't play. I did play attack. Well attack, I don't know what the equivalent will be in, in soccer, but attack is like you're on offense. You stay on that side. You know, you stay on the opposing team side. Yeah. Yeah. You run a little bit, but not, yeah. I'm not running up and down like a midfielder. Right. Yep. Yeah. That's what my son does. He stays up kind of front.
00:07:18
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Nice. Can you move him around? Does he have aspirations of like, is that what he wants to do? He wants to be a soccer player? He does. He wants to be a soccer player, but he also wants to play for his school. So that's a big thing he wants to do is because we've told him like we played for our school, my wife played for her school.
00:07:39
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So in middle school, they're going to have a soccer team. So he wants to try out for that. He wants to play in high school. I mean, if he goes broke, great. He doesn't, that's fine too, you know, but he wants to play for school. So we're kind of urging him to, to go that route. Um, so there's certain leagues and places he can and can't play. Um, so where he's at now, he couldn't play at school. So we've got to just kind of figure out what he wants and go from there.
00:08:07
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Yeah, it seems like soccer has like a different structure there where like playing football on lacrosse, it's like you played in the rec leagues, not, you know, whatever, popcorn or football or the whatever the local lacrosse team is until you could play in school. Then it's like nobody played in those leagues anymore because they only went to maybe eighth grade at the highest. Right.
00:08:29
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In New Jersey, there's not really middle school football teams. No, so you play Pop Warner till eighth grade, then then it's done right now because you go to high school, but it seems like soccer. There's like a contention between like playing for school or playing for this. Yeah, like ED was an EDP. Well, there's EDP, but that's still kind of at now.
00:08:50
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It's funny the way that soccer is created. Soccer used to be rec, it was rec. And then you played travel and it was like travel and you know, so intense. And then it became kind of everybody was just making travel. And then so we moved up to an academy and that was like, you know, to make an academy, you just got to have to have it. Yeah. And then it now that's kind of becoming like,
00:09:13
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You know, there's some kids that we've seen play and it's kind of like, hmm, maybe like an Academy, especially with the cost involved. It's not the route that they should be going. Yeah. You know, it's nice that he gets to be friends and meet other kids outside of the area. Um, I wish it was closer because now that we're out, we're at, it's, uh, about a 40 minute drive, three days a week plus all the travel, the gate. Yeah.
00:09:43
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I mean, it's a lot, but, you know, when your kid just enjoys something. Yeah. Yeah. It would be one thing if you were,
Workshop Updates and Laser Challenges
00:09:50
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if you were the one pushing him to want to play, you know, right. Which I don't think people should do anyway. I mean, you know, you push a little bit, but you shouldn't be like, my kid's going to be a soccer player, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of, he's like, he's asked sometimes, can I go to this training or can I, can I, his personal trainer is Ollie.
00:10:12
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And he's like, can I go train with Ollie this week? I'm like, all right, let's see if he's available. And he comes out to Jackson and does a nice hour training. And again, cost time. Yeah. It's expensive. Yeah. We don't, we don't add everything up. I call it. Yeah.
00:10:30
Speaker
Best to just, just pretend it's not happening. Yeah. I mean, cause you got winter league, you have winter training and foots all and spring break camp and he's got summer camps. He went to a summer camp last summer was eight 30 to eight 30 every day. Wow. I remember like baseball kids would go like, they're like, yeah, we're going to spring training in Florida. I'm like, that sounds like pricey. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And he's doing a camp. He's actually that same camp and he's going to be sleeping over there this time. That'll be nice for him.
00:11:00
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Yeah. Oh yeah. At 10, that's like probably a huge, huge deal. Yeah. Yeah. So he'll be, he'll be 11 by that time, but still that's, it's a big deal for him and for us. Yeah. Yeah. But like I was telling you, my niece is 10 and uh,
00:11:16
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Kids at 10 now are like, they seem a little more mature than probably when we were 10, but they're still 10. Yeah, they're still 10. Yeah, they still cry when they lose. Yeah, they might think that they're mature, but they're not. Yeah, that's true.
00:11:30
Speaker
So you've been, you've been building out the shop, you're building some drawers and some storage and stuff. Yeah. Finally working on building out some storage, uh, tired of looking through boxes to find stuff. You know, it is, I get these projects here and there and I kind of have to step back from doing the shop stuff. And then I can't find stuff.
00:11:51
Speaker
So now I got to go buy a tool that I know 150% that I have. So now, you know, my wife's like, didn't you have one of those? I was like, I do. You want to go find it? It's like, just buy it. I'm like, thank you. No. It's in the bottom bin underneath of the 10 other bins. Exactly. You know, you got those black bins with no lids. So they got like eight of them on some dollies. And I just.
00:12:12
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I can't find anything. So the storage is getting billed out right now. And so we're getting there. We started from scratch again. Yeah. Yeah. We're still finding stuff from when we moved. So I just got this. It's a pressurized
00:12:29
Speaker
like a sprayer, like it's an aluminum bottle that has a, what are they called, a Schrader valve, like a bike tire. And you can pressurize it and have like a pressurized spray of whatever you put in it. I got it for water for those pre-glued dowels. So I could like dose the water out into the holes. And I'm like, I know we have a tire inflator.
00:12:53
Speaker
Somewhere there's just that little that little fitting I couldn't find anywhere No, I had to get the we have a 18 volt Makita insulator in the van We I have a the walkie one. Yep, and it goes with me everywhere bigger camp anywhere It goes goes with me Keith was using that Keith Blackthorn was using that a maker camp to charge up the t-shirt cannon Yeah, yep, I couldn't find it for a second. I'm like damn it. I'm like
00:13:19
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It was like buried in the back of the van. Yeah. There's too many Keith's. Yeah. There's a lot of keys. There's a lot of mats and a lot of Rob's. Yeah. In the woodworking tent, there's three Rob's. Yeah, that's true. Rob Barone, Rob Bliss, and Rob DiMarco.
00:13:35
Speaker
I think we actually, we got a picture at maker camp. There's like six of us. Yes. Somebody posted that recently. Mark posted it. Yeah. It was a you Keith Drennan, who else? Keith KJ sawdust. Keith decent.
00:13:55
Speaker
Shipwright skills. I can't remember. Okay. Yeah. And then, um, another guy, Keith would you, would you kick? I'm horrible with names. Yeah. I can't pronounce his last name. I, I recognized everyone in the photo, but yeah, exactly. I have that, that problem where when somebody tells me their name, I don't hear it in and out. Yeah.
00:14:13
Speaker
I know exactly what you're saying. Especially at Maker Camp. It's brutal. Oh yeah. Maker Camp. It was so many people. And at Maker Camp, like I see people and I think I know who it is sometimes, but I'm not hot, you know, cause I know everybody, most of those people just through Instagram. Right. So I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's, you know, so-and-so, but I'm, I don't know for sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But it's a good time though. I'm glad I got to go again this year.
00:14:42
Speaker
Yeah. Got word that Highland is going to be the sponsor again for the woodworking tent. So that's great. Yeah. Hopefully start planning that soon because it's March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October. It's I mean, it's only six months away. Yeah. And it takes.
00:15:00
Speaker
with all the back and forth takes six months to plan. I can imagine. Yeah. I think I'm going to be actually just going this year, just being enjoying it the last couple of years. You know, I've, I've had a good time, but I haven't really got to do and make stuff. So I've been doing the makers for Jesse stuff, which is great. I'm just kind of want to go one year and just enjoy it. Yeah. He passed up a ton to somebody else for next year. Exactly.
00:15:28
Speaker
We, I mean, last year with the rain, that didn't help, but we didn't get to do anything. Yeah. The year before, same thing. But that was our first year, like, instructing. I think had it not been raining so hard, we probably would have been able to sneak away. I'm sure. But we'll see. I'm going to plan again this year to try and be able to.
00:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, the rain was. That was crazy. It was horrible. I was talking about that with somebody yesterday with John and the guys from New Doors were over. We shot a video about cabinet doors. And yeah, it was like I didn't see it, but John was saying the pavilion was just like a river.
00:16:14
Speaker
Yeah. Of like three inch high water going through. Yeah. We were sitting at the table, me and my buddy JD, and we're just kind of sitting there all of a sudden and I'm like, what's going on? Like, you know, you tap your foot and all of a sudden you hear like a puddle. He just watched the water just come through and I was like, oh, this is not going to be good.
00:16:31
Speaker
Yeah. We had a river going through the woodworking tent, but thank God we were on blacktop. Right. You know, so it was coming through, but, but it was moving fast. And it was, yeah. Yeah. That, that big field was just muddy mess. Oh yeah. Nasty. We watched people all day trying to walk up that little hill to the woodworking tent. Yeah. A lot of people didn't make it. And he survived all the fittest, right? Yeah. Yeah. Just going to like go to the bathroom was, was treacherous. Yeah. It was a lot.
00:16:59
Speaker
took a while to dry everything out. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people were like, man, I only brought like one pair of boots, you know? Exactly. But what are you guys going to do the same thing this year? You're going to have like a project that people are going to build? I think that's probably the best way to go. I think that's what people are looking for. You know, like to be able to take something home is, is a big,
00:17:21
Speaker
I mean, that's what all the other tents do. You go to the blacksmithing tent, you make a bookmark or a hook or something. You can take that home. You go to the... You get your thing cut out and powder coated, take it home, welding tent. So I think that's definitely what we're aiming to do. I don't know what Highland is gonna wanna do. I was talking to Bliss a little bit today. He said that,
00:17:50
Speaker
They're not they're not positive on ideas yet, but. You know, we're receptive to whatever they want to do, too. Yeah, absolutely. That's cool, though. Yes, it's tough to think of something sort of.
00:18:05
Speaker
quick like that, you know, that you can like woodworking usually takes a while. Right. Right. You got to have everything kind of prepped. Yeah. Unless it's just something that you like sand and finish and take home, but that's kind of like one of those wine drinking, paint a piece of wood. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Pinot's palette. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It could be like, uh, I don't know.
00:18:26
Speaker
Like a salt box or something. Yeah, that only takes like It takes a laser and a whole bunch of time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I finally got that file So I used the same file last time that I used For the batch before that and I just made a little tweak to it. Yeah, I was doing three at a time The laser will hold four
00:18:49
Speaker
But I get better smoke extraction when there's three because obviously there's less. The smoke gets sucked out from the bottom. Okay. When I'm making that dado, it makes a lot of smoke because I'm, you know, making a eighth inch by eighth inch dado on four pieces. So that laser is just going across and just vaporizing the wood, you know, making smoke. And the smoke makes the lens dirty and the cut gets bad.
00:19:14
Speaker
So I kind of I made it into four again, but I slowed everything down a little bit knowing that I have the time. OK. So now it's like forty nine minutes for four, which is pretty slow. Yeah. Could you cut the data on the table?
00:19:34
Speaker
Yes. But then, you know, you got to handle all those pieces. It would probably, you know, it would time wise, it would equal out. But when it's on the laser, it's perfect. I'm not touching it. So it's, you know what I mean? Yeah. Kind of hands off. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. The, um, actually, well, the one thing is the sides, the little sides has a, they have a stop data. So, Oh yeah. See, I think I have it right here.
00:20:04
Speaker
Oh no. The, the, the front and the back have a stop data. So to do that. Yeah. It's going to take some time. It's a pain. Yeah. Be like with a chisel. Yeah. Forget that. Yeah. Yeah. You can see like I even, it runs past here so that I make sure 100% that it clears it all out. Yeah. So that's the file version. This has 14. It's really 15, 15. And you're working on 500 more.
00:20:34
Speaker
Yeah, so I think I have one layer on that table is 90. So there's probably like 80, 85 on that table now. So it'll be like 10. Wait, no, six high.
00:20:49
Speaker
I just stack them up. They come off of the laser, they go on the table. When one layer is filled, they put a piece of cardboard and just keep stacking. So the last time we did 650 and I was using a different table, it was 10 layers high. A lot. Yeah. It's got to be intimidating to like, I still have to do all these other steps. It's not just laser. Yeah, it's a lot. You know, it's cut them out.
00:21:19
Speaker
sand parts of the lid, parts of the sides, parts of the front and the back, put a rabbet on the bottom, put a round over on the lid, drill the holes for the hinge in the lid, assemble it, put the pins in for the hinge, and then sand it on the belt sander, sand it by hand, break all the edges, finish it.
00:21:45
Speaker
And then you got to like, you know, buff the finish a little bit. Right. So people like, so John made, came and made that video two years ago or whatever it was, um, $100,000 laser project that's called, which is, you know, it's a little click baity because
00:22:00
Speaker
It's not a hundred thousand. That's like the total sales because a thousand boxes at a hundred bucks. But people were like, who would pay a hundred bucks for a box? It's like, you see how long it takes? Exactly. It's really, it's only a $75 box because 25 bucks getting donated. Right.
00:22:17
Speaker
I mean, it takes a lot of work. Yeah. And I think that's kind of what people don't get. I've had a lot of clients say like, Oh, that's a lot for this. Or even I was at a craft show for cutting board and some guys like, Oh wow. The overhead on that must be insane. I'm like, dude, it's $65 cutting board. That's cheap. Like it's cheap. It's an inch and a half thick, like a walnut. Like I don't know how much do you want to pay for it? Like $65 is
00:22:44
Speaker
You can't even, you know, you can't get like a boost block or something for that price. Right. Yeah. And it, you know, you got to find your people, I guess, you know, I did it at the, uh, mama's racetrack. So, you know, kind of people. Seems like a good place. Yeah. You would think, you know, I had a good location too, right between the beard tent and where they placed their bets. Oh yeah. They get people just more into bedding and getting a drink than buying. So yeah.
00:23:09
Speaker
Yeah, people are so out of touch. I don't think I talked about on the podcast, but there's a guy on Instagram who makes these like.
00:23:20
Speaker
plywood, like little router tables that fit like a trim router or something, like Newman something. I think he's in upstate New York. And I stumbled across this post just like on the browse, a feature of Instagram. And he was saying that he was looking, he came up with this idea and then he like did a presale on Etsy and the company that he was going to have CNC cut them
00:23:47
Speaker
shut down or something. So he found like a local place and got a quote. And he was talking about how he got this God awful price. He said, got this God awful, ridiculous price. And it kind of piqued my interest. So I looked in the comments and he said something about it. You know, they wanted 500 bucks to cut up a sheet, you know, one sheets worth of these things.
00:24:08
Speaker
And I was like taken aback. I commented back. I'm like, I think it's pretty unfair that you're like saying that this is like a God awful price. I'm like, do you understand what it costs to run a business? Yeah. I'm like, you know, and he kept saying like, it's only an hour and a half for them to cut this ball. I'm like, yeah, but they have to pay for the rent, the machine, the electric, the insurance, the just having learned the skill, you know? Yeah.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot more that goes into it than
00:24:40
Speaker
You know, it's not just, you know, make money. Yeah. You got to actually do the work. An hour and a half, you know, they had to program the CNC, right? You have a file, but whatever file you made isn't going to run on an industrial CNC. You know what I mean? They have to run it through cam and. Right. That'd be beyond like version 14 or 15. Yeah, exactly. That's a lot of extra work. I said 500 bucks sounds like a deal. It does. Yeah. Like around here, CNC shops, not going to do anything for 500 bucks. We need to open up the CNC shop.
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah. Well, have you seen timber that's over here? They're in Keensburg now, too. I don't know if you ever heard of them, but they were in Atlantic Highlands on Route 36. And they moved to Keensburg. If we've been here for a year, maybe it's been two and a half or three years. So they went from like a 3000 square foot shop to I think the new shop is 15000. It's big.
00:25:40
Speaker
They have maybe three or four flatbed CNCs. They have two robot arms. So there's like a rotating pedestal and a robot arm. Like four axis kind of thing. Yeah. This is like five or I don't even know. Yeah. It's insane. I think it's five with the pedestal. Right. They do all kinds of crazy stuff. That's a lot. That's a lot of space. Yeah. I don't know. Like we talked about that when I got here. I was like, I don't know what to do with all that space.
00:26:09
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Once you get it, it's all over. Yeah. I just need to get it. Yeah. You know, we have all good aspirations of eventually building a shop in the back of the property, but you know, it takes time, it takes money. Yeah. I'm doing all this work now on this one. You know, I don't want to waste all that time and effort. Yeah. And so I'll probably work in it for a couple of years and figure out what we really want to do in the back. You think of like a pole bar, maybe, or?
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, whole barn, even the metal structure. Yeah. You know, the Amish like sheds are, they're like such a good value. Yeah. So I mean, they'll drop, I don't know what the access is like, but they could drop a frigging 20 by 40 building back there. Yeah. And they, they're like 12 grand. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's, that's good. I mean, that, that's for me, that's, I think right now we're just in a one car garage. So anything above that is, you know, bonus.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It, like I said, you could go, you could put a 50 by 100 or a one 50 by a hundred and you'd fill it up. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. We, you know, we're thinking like 20, 30 by 40, maybe 24 by 40 somewhere around there. Yeah. It's a good size. Yeah. The old shop was a 24 by 36. Right. Which I mean, we put a lot of work out of that, out of that shop. That's okay. Yeah. Um,
00:27:38
Speaker
It's a, you know, a lot of it's how you lay stuff out. Yeah. Yeah. And then I have to like really be mindful of what tools to buy. And at one point I was like, Oh, I want to get a drum sander. And then I look at the shop and I'm like, where? Yeah. It's like, well, when I rip him, I'm going to run into that. And if I cross cut, I'm going to hit this. Exactly. So, I mean, I do have some vertical storage, so I could probably, you know, break something up where I can, you know, doesn't have to leave it out all the time or something like that.
Real Estate and Home Renovation Discussions
00:28:07
Speaker
It's still, it's a lot of, a lot of stuff. Yeah. And you get, you know, analysis paralysis trying to figure these things out. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've been working on the design of these cabinets and they're just cabinets, just shop cabinets, but I think I've worked on them for God knows how long.
00:28:24
Speaker
Well, because we've all done it, you come up with a design, build it and you're like, well, I wish I had done it this way. Exactly. Yeah. And then when, you know, I'm like sheathing the walls and all this other stuff, because we moved in and it was just studs. So we had to redo everything we did in the old shop.
00:28:43
Speaker
And, you know, we got a little bit better planning, you know, because now we can figure out where all the electrical is going to go and kind of do it that way. So it's helped definitely. But in all that time that I had, I'm like, Oh, I wonder if you can do it like this. Or, you know, you go from doing like normal metal drawer slides to like, Oh, maybe I'll do wood drawer slides. And you're like, no, that's going to take so much extra time. It's just easier to buy the drawer slides. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker
Yeah. We still, you know, like the, the dust collection hose is coming off of the United still running on the floor because we can't decide even over a year later, it's like, I can't commit to like a layout, you know? So if I hard pipe that in, we're committed. Yeah, absolutely. Like I'm not ready to make that commitment. No, no. Yeah. Everything and most everything in your shop is still kind of mobile.
00:29:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of stuff is on mobile bases, the white belt, even that boring machine that we just got. I should probably mention that we didn't have a podcast last week because I ran up to Boston and picked up. Keith was supposed to be on. And this was the only day that the guy who was loading the machine for me could go up there. A boring machine, construction boring machine. So it's a Ganomat Optima 25.
00:30:05
Speaker
25 spin little boring machine. So it's pretty sweet. Heavy. Yeah. Yeah. 1,100 pounds. That's heavy. Yeah. So that the guy, so basically this place was closing and guy was retiring up in Charlestown, Boston. And, um, so we bought the machine and you have to call the people to schedule getting it out. And we bought it on, I think it was like the 12th.
00:30:34
Speaker
It was Monday the 12th and the removal instructions said that the removal dates were the 13th to the 23rd. So basically the next day until the following Friday.
00:30:49
Speaker
Okay. Um, so I call him on like Valentine's day because I had to wire the money and everything. So it was all paid and we were eligible to pick it up. I'm like, yeah, so like, I'm thinking maybe I'll come on Friday. He's like, wait, he's like, what are the dates? I'm like, says the 13th of 2030. He's like, Oh man, they told me I had like 10 days to get all of this. I'm like, Ooh. So he's like, I'll, I'll let you know. I'm like, okay. So then a couple of days later, I get a call from a guy.
00:31:17
Speaker
He's like, oh yeah, I got your number from Greg. I'm going to pick up a bunch of machines that I bought. He bought like a 16 inch SCM joiner, a 36 inch SCM wide belt sander, a 25 inch SCM planer. He bought all this stuff.
00:31:33
Speaker
He's like, yeah, I'm going to pick it up on Thursday. I'll be there at nine o'clock. He's like, if you want me to help you load, I'm going to bring a forklift and an excavator and blah, blah, blah. Just throw me a couple of bucks. I'm like, all right, that's good because, you know, it's a loading dock. So how the hell am I going to get in the van? So I show up there at nine o'clock. Like you said, this guy's like an hour late, of course.
00:31:57
Speaker
And so they show up. He didn't bring a forklift. So all he had was the excavator. It was like a ramp up to the loading dock from the shop floor. So they pulled it up the ramp, which was cool. And then I'm like, how are we going to get it into my van? He's like, I don't know. We'll figure something out. I stand there like, oh, here we go. So they pull out his planer and they're putting it in the back of his dump truck and they had it on like a sheet of steel that they they had some
00:32:24
Speaker
What do you call it? Like shackles on so they could pull it with the chain. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, how can he doesn't just like hook into those lifting points and pick it up and put it in the right. But I'm like, I'm staying out of this. Yeah, I'm just standing there watching. So they struggled for a while and they finally got it got because they had to get the steel plate back out from underneath of it.
00:32:44
Speaker
Right. So it's like this probably 4,000 pound planer sitting on top of this thing. Anyway, so then what they ended up doing was taking two solid oak like Mason's planks.
00:32:58
Speaker
And I backed up to the loading dock. So we had these planks going down into the van and they literally just slid it down the planks into the van. That sounds safe. Yeah. And you know, he's not like a real rigger. So it's like, if the machine fell off of the thing, what am I going to do? Sue the guy? There's no picking it up off the, well, I mean, he had the excavator, but still, I mean, the thing would have been wrecked. Yeah. The damage would have been done. Yeah. That's,
00:33:28
Speaker
Yeah. He was, he's like a, a, um, an excavator. He's like, Hey, I just do this for fun. He's like, he buys the machines and it's a write off, you know? Okay.
00:33:40
Speaker
I'm like, all right, good for you. Very expensive pieces of equipment to buy. Yeah. Yeah. He bought like the whole table of hand power tools. And there was a lamello biscuit joiner and I had a buddy, uh, Freddy Roman up in, he's up in Boston. He was bidding on it. And he's like, if there's anything you see in there that you want, let me know, you know, you can buy it. Like I want to buy that the mellow biscuit joiner.
00:34:03
Speaker
So Freddie didn't end up winning the thing. The guy won it for like 850 bucks. This whole miter saws, drills, sawsaws, sanders, nailers, like a screaming deal, 850 bucks.
00:34:18
Speaker
And so I asked him, I'm like, I want to ask you, like, could I buy that biscuit joiner? He's like, well, you know, I'd want to get like whatever they cost new. I'm like, it's from like the eight, like 90s or 80s. And so we walk over. He didn't even know what he bought. We walk over and he's like, oh, he's like, I don't have one. He's like, I really want to keep it. I'm like, all right. So you didn't get it.
00:34:41
Speaker
probably doesn't know what to do with it. I know. It's probably going to sit in like a box. Yeah. Probably going to get wet, get destroyed. It's a shame. Yeah. But I threw him 250 bucks cash. You know, it was worth I, I, cause I, I'm like, how much you want? He's like, you know, whatever. I'm like, there's five bucks in lunch. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:04
Speaker
I felt like giving him like, yeah, like a hundred bucks after he said he was gonna bring a forklift and bring a forklift. This slide. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good thing. I brought like a four by four and I put it against the wheel wells and then they brace the planks up against that. Oh yeah. Because what's keeping those things from just sliding out and they were, they were pretty bellied. He's like, those are not going to break. He's like, those are solid. I'm like, I hope they're not going to break.
00:35:33
Speaker
And what kind of auction was that? It's called IRS auctions. It's not like in, it's not the internal revenue service. It's industrial recovery service. Yeah. I've been on some of those before. Yeah. I never went. Yeah. It was a, we got a pretty good deal. 30, we paid 32 50. We paid 32 50 or 30. Yeah. 32 50 plus then you got to pay the 15% buyer's fee. It worked out to like 3,700 bucks.
00:35:59
Speaker
Then you have to pay loading fees or anything or fees or something. Some auctions, you have to look at the specific auction terms or whatever. Like when we bought the sliding table saw and the edge bander off of there, it was a hundred dollar flat loading fee. So they had someone on site with a forklift. You pull up and it says it's like must be side loaded onto a flatbed trailer. So they just pick it up, put it on the trailer. That's it. A hundred bucks. So you got to tie it down and everything they don't do.
00:36:29
Speaker
So this was like, there were no, so it was either hire riggers or do it yourself. And, you know, to pay riggers to do that probably would have cost me like 2,500 bucks. Yeah. And then, then it's a $7,000 machine. Right. So you could have bought new. Yeah. Right. Not worth it. No. But worked out. I got it back, picked it up with the forklift. The driving, driving is the worst part. You drove it in the van. Mm hmm.
00:36:56
Speaker
the bottom out? No, no, no. The payload on that van, excuse me, is actually pretty crazy. Really? Yeah. I want to say it's 5,000 pounds. Yeah, that's good. Better than my truck, I think. Yeah. There's something about, uh, vans for some reason. I don't know if it, I don't know what it is, but like vans have pretty high payload. Could be this stronger chassis. Yeah, it is a 2,500. Okay. Yeah.
00:37:22
Speaker
how you like it. Oh, it's great. Yeah. Get to see it up at makers camp every year. Yeah. Park it there like a big billboard. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. I mean, that's why, that's why we got it wrapped. Yeah. It looks good. We've had people, um, like we went to, have you heard about new doors?
00:37:41
Speaker
It's a shop down in South Jersey and they make solid HDF doors to their CNC cut. They're nice. We've been using them for anything that's painted because they don't crack or anything. But they have a finished store there too. United Finishes and that's where we buy our finished. But they did an event back in November and it was called Spray Day with Nate.
00:38:06
Speaker
basically like a class, you know, teaching you how to spray prep doors and spray and stuff like that. So we did that and we were driving down and we get there and this lady's like, I saw you on the turnpike. She's like, I'm an interior designer, blah, blah, blah. You know, you only have to get one job and it pays for the wrap. Exactly. You know, people are like, I'm not spending. I think we paid like thirty five hundred bucks. And it's your whole job. Yeah. Yeah. That's all it takes is one job.
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah. So that, uh, perceived, what do they call it? Perceived value. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's what we're talking about with all the machinery and everything, dude. It's expensive, but it saves time. Yep. The less man hours, more profit. Yeah. And you know, if you're trying to grow, you need to try and innovate how you're doing things. Right. Because unless you have some magic bean, how are you supposed to make more money doing the same thing? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:06
Speaker
It's a, you know, it's a constant evolution. We're always trying to stupid stuff like that, that little spray bottle I was talking about, right? You know, we have regular spray bottles, but if that could shave off 10 seconds, a cabinet is when right for 20 bucks. Absolutely. Yeah. Cause if you build, you know, 200 cabinets a year, five, whatever. Yeah. 10 seconds adds up. Yeah, it does. Yeah.
00:39:33
Speaker
And even if it's not like the ultimate way to do it, it might lead you to the next. Right. The next iteration. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know I've built a couple of things that I probably could have bought. You know, I built a small router table and just because I didn't have room for a big one. Yeah. But, you know, so I used a little one here and there. It's good. Sell the plans for it. And, you know, obviously it's paid for itself.
00:40:01
Speaker
That was like the first batch of boxes that we did. Now I do the rabbit on the lid on the table saw. But it's all about what you can do at the time. Then we didn't have enough power in the shop to run the laser.
00:40:16
Speaker
and the dust collector and the table saw at the same time, like it would literally shut the laser off. We didn't have enough amperage. So I couldn't do that. So that's what I did. I made a little router table out of a piece of acrylic. I just like screwed the acrylic down to the router. That's how I do the rabbits. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to make do with what you got. Yeah. It works. Yeah. What, uh, you got any plans of to build anything? You got anything that you want to build?
00:40:44
Speaker
So we want to do, we haven't done much since we've been in the house. Like we've been in a house almost two years in July, but you know, we had a lot of stuff going on during the move and we didn't get to really, haven't really got to do a lot. So we've got like our list of things, our kitchens.
00:41:00
Speaker
super small now compared to like our old kitchen. I think our old kitchen, we showed pictures, it was like 56 doors and drawers. Yeah. Cause you were going to refinish them. Yeah. It's huge. And I was like, should I remake them? Should I refinish them? Luckily we moved and we don't have to deal with it. New doors would have been a good option. Yeah. So now we have,
00:41:19
Speaker
I think maybe it's maybe a dozen. It's very, very small. That was like my house when I moved in. Yeah. I'm still working on kitchen. Oh yeah. I mean, we definitely like downgraded moving into this house as far as size and everything, but perfect for us. Yeah. It's out in the country. Yeah. That's one thing that you can't replace is habits, a little bit of space to yourself. Yeah. So we're, we've got plans. We want to do the kitchen.
00:41:43
Speaker
Uh, we want to add some cabinets down in the basement. The basement's fully refinished. Oh, nice. So we want to set that up as more like entertainment area, like movie theater kind of type deal. Do some cabinets down there. Then a lot of the shop stuff.
00:41:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I like building shop furniture. It's nice. Okay. I don't, you know, I, I'm not going to go out and spend a ton of money on plywood and all that. Like I'll use the cheaper plywood because I'm not, you know, it's shop furniture for me. I don't need it to be show quality. Yeah. It's about functionality. Right. Right. So build it with what I can and affordably, you know, do it.
00:42:26
Speaker
She goods are pricey now. Yeah. Well, if you ever had to buy any and let us know, because we get a pretty good, you better than like the, the big box stores. Oh yeah. I'm trying to think like a sheet of three quarter import birch is probably like, I don't even know. I think let me see.
00:42:47
Speaker
Probably like a dollar 38 a square foot. Yeah. So I think I got 44 bucks, like half what I paid for the big box store. Yeah. And then I went to the big box store and I'm like, Oh, use my veteran discount and it'll be good to go. Give me like 10% off. And then one of the two big box stores will not let you use it on building materials. What? I'm like, well, how is that possible? Like,
00:43:14
Speaker
a discount to discount. They're like, Oh, we're not ripping everybody off on these prices. We don't have a high enough margin. I'm like, so like, what is the discount on? Like, you know, no building materials. I'm like, that is what you guys sell. Yeah. Everything is building materials here for the tools. Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
I wonder if it's like, what if you were buying like PVC pipes or something? Is that you're not allowed to get a discount on anything? I don't know. I was building, I had a shop full, a cart full of, had about four sheets of quarter, four sheets of half, three quarter, two things of MDF, two metal pieces that I'm using. And they were like, yeah, you can't use it. I'm like, that's like $200 off.
00:44:04
Speaker
And they're like, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm like, okay. And I walked and I left the cart right there. And I went to the other one where I got my 10% off. You want to say who it was? What? Who didn't give you the discount? Oh, Home Depot. But Lowe's did. Lowe's did. Yep. I'm a Lowe's guy anyway.
00:44:22
Speaker
You know, Lowe's is close to us. That's when I say, when I say close, like an old house, when we were in Howell, it was five minutes. Where do you have to go? Neptune? Me now. No, I still got a Howell. I know. Manchester. Oh yeah. Manchester, which is close to Jackson. Jackson's so big. It's like Jackson's huge. And I tell you, like every once in a while, you know, we sit down and we're like, oh, 40 minutes to soccer, 15 minutes to the grocery store.
00:44:49
Speaker
But then you think about it and you're like, yeah, it's 15 minutes from the grocery store. Like that's not a bad thing. Yeah. You know? And so when we do have to go into our old town or when I come in a red bank, when on the way home, you slowly like de-urbanize, you know? And then you go to town and you're on the turnpike or the 195 and then you just kind of slowly, I mean, by the time we get down to our road,
00:45:17
Speaker
It's quiet. No one around. You don't hear anything. It's really nice. That's like going to Keith Blackthorn's. I know that he's right around. You've been there. Yeah. It's like, you know, you you're on 195 and then you get off and then or or sometimes we take like Parkway to 34 maybe.
00:45:36
Speaker
I forget, but you take a couple of different ways. And like you said, it just gets less and less densely populated until you, you know, yeah. And it's not like the sticks, but, you know, but it's nice and quiet. It's right around the houses. Yeah, it's close to the sticks. It's next to the sticks. The houses are spread out a little bit. It's nice. I mean, my neighbors are freaking right on top of me.
00:45:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's how it wasn't how we were in a very small like cul-de-sac kind of area. And the neighborhood was turning over from other towns leaking into our town. And we saw a couple houses go up quick and we were like, we had a two to three year plan. We're like, you know what, let's do it now. Yeah, it did. And we were like the third house, like they bought like the first two houses went up as soon as you came in our loop. And we were like,
00:46:23
Speaker
They're just going to keep buying up. Oh, yeah. So we put it up right away. We got well over what we pay for it. So we did really well with that. And we got out of that area before everybody else started selling. Yeah. So it was nice. You know, by the time we were done, it was kind of. Running its, you know, ran its course, everything the market, the mortgage rates were going up. And I was going to say, you probably got a good mortgage rate. No, no, we were like.
00:46:52
Speaker
I hate to say it, like in how well we were at 3.25. Now we're at like 5.25. And we're looking at doing... Not terrible, but... Not terrible. You know, we were looking at doing home equity. Just, you know, now we're kind of going through that process of, you know, we had to get new roof and windows and doors and all that stuff. And now we're paying for it. And it's like, this sucks. The home equity, you know, we know we have it. So we're, we're thinking about doing that.
00:47:20
Speaker
I would love, I want to, like my house, when you drive by, like it has got awful ugly. They have, it's all this aluminum siding. It looks like split cedar shake, but it's aluminum. It has like these awnings and it, I mean, it's, I don't mind admitting it's freaking ugly. I would love to strip the outside and do new siding. And I have a garage in the back that I got to take down and replace.
00:47:48
Speaker
So that's, that's like on my next couple of years list is like a exterior upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. We did. We knew, we knew moving into that house that we were going to need doors, windows, roof, gutters, all that stuff. We knew moving in there. That is what we needed and we were fine with it. We didn't ask for anything off. We didn't, you know, we got a fair price and now then now we're kind of like, man, we should have,
00:48:17
Speaker
Like, Oh, now we have to actually do these things. Yeah, we did. We did it all with one company and you know, they were great and the house looks fantastic. And those are awesome. But you know, now you get that the projects finished. So now they're like, okay, here's your payment list. Like, Oh man, we're going to be paying this for the next seven years. Yeah. It's like, how long are we going to have this house? We get a, yeah. And it's funny because every house we've done,
00:48:42
Speaker
big projects. So like in our first house, we had the attic, all the energy saver people come out and do all the spray foam and the crawl space and the attic and all that. And then we end new AC. We did all that, everything new, furnace, all that. And then we moved. And then we got a new house and we got to get through the winter and then we did the roof and then we did the AC. And it was like,
00:49:08
Speaker
The other thing is like, yeah, and we had, we keep downsizing, which is nice. Now we're, you know, it's cozy, it's manageable size. But we had three bathrooms in the first house.
00:49:19
Speaker
And then in Kyle, we had two. Now we have one. I don't live in that nightmare anymore. Cause if we move anymore, just a hole in the ground. Yeah. And we want to add a half. It's septic. So it's a little, Oh yeah. It's hard to do, especially cause we're going to have to put it in the basement. You got to get the pump and all that stuff. Yeah. My parents just had an issue with their pump. They needed a ejector pump for a first floor bathroom for some reason. I don't know why, but
00:49:50
Speaker
Something happened. The pump went bad and they had to have somebody get into the crawl space and replace it. That's not good. Yeah. It's a crappy situation. Yeah. Yeah. I have one, one bathroom. We went from one to one. It's really only ever been one. So it's not, luckily we don't have anything to compare against, but
00:50:14
Speaker
I'm not even sure where we would have to like do an addition to, to put in bathroom. Yeah. That's, you know, we're thinking either the basement or eventually go blow out the back of the house a little bit and put it, cause we don't have like a master suite or anything. So we could maybe build something off the back and do a master suite back there with the bathroom, the closets and bedroom. Yeah. Yeah. So when we bought our house, we bought in like, uh,
00:50:43
Speaker
Around this time, 2020, I think, has it been four years? 2021? Must have been 2021. We're going on three years in the next month or so. We immediately had to do the furnace and the air conditioning. Thank God I had central air ducting and forced air ducting.
00:51:05
Speaker
So we did that and then I completely redid my son's room. And then all we did was like rip up the old carpet and stuff like that. We didn't even like paint aside from my son's room. Right. That was it. Yeah. Then I got to the kitchen and I took down a wall and that's still, that's still in progress. In progress. Yeah. Yeah. I have some cabinets built. Yeah. Two more weeks. One guy, 10 minutes.
00:51:31
Speaker
I have like, I don't know, maybe four or five cabinets built in there. It's not the cabinets. I could build the cabinets. That's not a problem. It's all the other stuff. Yeah. I mean, she rocked right now. I have a one coat of primer, but it's
00:51:46
Speaker
It's been Sherock for a while. It hasn't moved much further past that. Yeah. I mean, there was, there was a lot of projects in our last house that we were like, all right, yeah, we're going to do this when we move in. And then we moved out and it's still there. And you know, and I've been noticing that I'm like, why did I buy this? I was like, Oh, is it for that project we were going to do in the old house? And we never did. Oh yeah. I have, I bought stuff. I'm like, Oh yeah. I'm going to need these flooring tools. Yeah. I hate that. Yeah. I find that all the time. I'm like, now, like when we moved into this house, I bought like,
00:52:15
Speaker
It was little kits to hang your TV on the wall. You can run the wire up. Oh yeah. And I'm like, all right, got one. Cause I needed to do it. And then you didn't do it. You're like, gotta get the TV up. It's just cords. It's just cords, you know, and then it's, and it's just sitting there. Like, why'd you spend this money? Life gets in the way. It does. Yeah, it does. That's for sure. Yep. The best was a maker camp.
00:52:41
Speaker
Must've been the first year that we went. I came home. My wife had painted the living room, but like she doesn't know how to paint and like didn't do, I'm like, you totally skipped like steps one and two, which are like protect everything and then like take off or like take off like the light switch covers and like, she painted like up to the TV, you know, on the wall. And it's still two years later. Yeah.
00:53:09
Speaker
That's actually, I did paint behind the TV, but she never painted the trim. Yeah, that happens. We did a lot of stuff on our last house when we moved. We like finished up a couple of things. It was like, Oh, we got to take pictures of the house. We got to like redo this and or finish this or whatever. And we did, we did all the floors out in the bottom all by ourselves.
00:53:32
Speaker
That's on my list too. When I do the, when I finished the kitchen. Well, it's part of the kitchen. Yeah. Everything's part of the kitchen. Yeah. Cause my house is just like a little, um, I don't even know. It must be only be like 1200 square feet. Just two bedroom, 1920s little, uh, I don't know what style you like a salt box, I guess.
00:53:52
Speaker
So downstairs is just kitchen, living room, and then upstairs is just like bathroom, two bedrooms, that's it. It's just nice though, you can redo the whole house. Yeah, so when I do the floor in the kitchen, I'm just gonna do the whole first floor because it's only two rooms. Absolutely, yeah.
00:54:11
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, we're only, we're in a ranch now, which is kind of nice. I mean, we have the full finished basement, but you know, we can, if we wanted to do hardwood everywhere and upstairs, you know, and it'd be manageable and you know, financially. Okay. But you know, we're, we're projects. Yeah. A lot of projects.
00:54:33
Speaker
Hardwood's nice. I'm doing just LVP because I have a five year old and you know what it's like. Like constant, just like spills. I'm like, man. And then I'm like, I don't want to put this new floor down. I'm like, it's going to get ruined. Yeah. We did that in the West. We did Lamit.
00:54:52
Speaker
throughout. And that was like our COVID project. We did that. We did the faux shiplap on the walls and all the crown and everything. We did it all. And it was just so much. It was so much, but it paid off in the end. It looked great. Oh, yeah. You know, as soon as you put it down, you know, you get water spilled on it immediately. It's like, no, you got to get it up.
00:55:17
Speaker
Yeah. Now I have like this old, um, it's either like longleaf pine or, uh, um, Doug for something flooring and it's so old and it's been saying it so many times that, you know, you there's all these gaps. And so now like if my son spills something in the living room, like it will literally like drip into the basement, like just through the floor in the sub floor. Yeah.
00:55:43
Speaker
There's like no wood left on it. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, you know, it has the diagonal sub floor, just like those wide tongue and groove planks. If you're going to basement, look up. There's a gap between every single board because they just shrunk so much over time. Oh yeah.
00:55:58
Speaker
Yeah, ours makes a lot of noise. If you're in the basement, forget it. You're not watching anything. Like if someone's walking around upstairs, it's just loud and creaky and everything. And they have like the weird cross bracing. Yeah, we have that. And those just pop out. Yeah. And they're like rough sawn. Yeah, they're all like half of them are broken. The screws are like out like an inch from the thing. So, you know, we're going to like do like normal blocks.
00:56:26
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walking in there and everything. I think that would be sufficient. Yeah. Yeah. Bridging, they call it. Yeah. Yeah. My house, the creeks are insane. So I grew up in a house from the like the 1860s. So I'm like used to walking around like a creaky house. You know, you find, you find where the creeks are and where you can walk. So it's like when I walk up the steps, like I know how to walk on them. So that it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. I do that in our office. Like I know where to walk. I got to go charge my laptop so I don't wake anybody up.
00:56:55
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like right in front of my side of the dresser is like the squeakiest area in the whole house. So like in the morning when I'm getting dressed, you know, I come to the shop, like whatever, six o'clock, my wife's still sleeping. I'm making like a total racket. Yeah. Old houses are good for that. Yeah. I like old houses. They're a lot of work, but, um,
00:57:20
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There's just something about it, you know? Yeah, it's got some character. Like the new houses are nice, they're pretty, but. But usually the workmanship is pretty bad. That's the thing, like a new house. Turning it over and stuff's popping up all over the place right now, too. Oh, yeah.
00:57:37
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especially Jackson, certain areas in Jackson are, you know, have certain communities living in them and they're just building like crazy. It's ridiculous. Like one day you go by and there's nothing there. And the next day you go by and there's like six big buildings. I'm like, where do these things come from?
00:57:54
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Yeah. You drive all over and you see the sites like, um, where maybe they haven't been approved yet to build something, but they're prepping the site and cleared the land. Yeah. Big piles of dirt like, yeah. All over Jackson by Keith. There's a big, uh, there was something, I don't know if it was like a chicken farm or like some kind of like landscaping place where it looks like they're going to build a. Yeah. Which that's worrying because he's only, it's only like two turns.
00:58:22
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Like I pull out of my driveway and make a right. I make another right and then another. So three rights and then a left in his driveway. If you know where I live, you can get there in three turns. Yeah. Oh, so you're that way by that chicken farm or whatever it is or the other way. The other way. Okay. Where the cow gets out. Probably. Yeah. We were going over there one time to whatever, drop something off or pick something up and uh,
00:58:50
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We're coming down. We passed like that Brooklyn square pizza place, wherever. And then, so we came in from that way. It was like a little bridge or something. Yeah. And I text Heath, I'm like, there's like cow in the road. It's just like huge cow, like a cop, like trying to like, whatever cokes it back to where it came from. Yeah. He's like, Oh yeah. It gets out all the time. It's rural for sure. Yeah. We've had Fox and deer and all sorts of stuff. We actually had more deer and owl than we do.
00:59:14
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But we get like the other animals. We had a chicken just roaming around the front lawn for about a month.
00:59:24
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Just random chicken. You get to hear a lot of the planes from the Lakers. Yeah. Lakers. I mean, it's some of them are low. You can like wave at the pilot, you know, see the tail numbers. And they have the big, like the whatever, Globemasters and those big. They did it in the 30s at 747s. Yeah. Yeah. It's loud. You know, and then they have the helicopters go over them to once in a while.
00:59:48
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But no, like, like fighter jets or anything. No, no, no. Instead, some helicopters, the big, big planes, definitely they do their flying all over the place and they're so low. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So huge. Yeah. I was outside a couple of summers ago. And, you know, you hear it and then you just see, I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, they're pretty massive. We had friends come over and they're like, what's that noise? I'm like, oh, it's a plane. He's like, are you kidding me?
01:00:16
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So we went outside and waited for it to come back around because they just like do loops. Yeah. Cause I mean, we're maybe five, 10 minutes from Lakers. Um, so we see it all the time, like the airship and all that stuff. So, you know, they do big, um, like events, you know, from the Hindenburg went down there. So they do a lot of stuff like that, but.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah, they fly constantly. And they're what? Just training, I guess. Yeah, just training. Yeah, the pilots got to keep up on their hours. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to like leave a plane sitting and then you're like, all right, now we got to really fly. Yeah. It's like, I hope this thing works. Yeah, exactly. Or have a pilot who doesn't have all their hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So my grandparents lived in Rojo Beach, Delaware, which is like south of Dover. So they used to have the fighter jets. You know, you'd hear them like,
01:01:07
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Whatever 30 seconds before you see him and then they're just like yeah, come on so loud. Yep So loud we were up in one summer up in New Hampshire and I don't know what base is up. There's gotta be some air force base, but they had these a 10 jets Oh those things have a crazy sound. Oh my gosh, and they just kept flying over I was like something's going on. Yeah, those are those are fun
01:01:33
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I saw something about a passenger plane that, you know, they're saying like the jet stream is changing and it like broke the speed of sound.
Blade Sharpening and Tool Comparisons
01:01:42
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Like it was like doing 800 miles an hour or something, just like a passenger plane. Cause it got into like this good jet. It's like a Concord or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.
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01:02:42
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I just got a bunch of blades back from. Did you? Yeah, I sent out nine blades. For sharping? Yeah. There's a place in Jackson, across from the Speedway, New Egypt. Oh, really? Like literally right across from the Speedway. He cuts, it's all blade sharpening. I wonder if it's the same guy that the shop where we used to work uses. I don't know. It's just some dude's house. I'm going to try it. I guess if you got the right machine. Yeah. I mean,
01:03:11
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just try it out. And if it's good, it's good. If it's not, I just think it sounds a rich carb. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've ever sent a blade out for sharpening. No, you have any like, um, I don't want to say good blades, but you have any like blades that would be, I do now. Yeah. Because I was having a lot of problems with, you know, you get the,
01:03:36
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the blades that come with the table saw, you get the Diablo blades, you know, and it's good for... They get hot one time and they got a wobble. So I just think it just bought the woodworker too. Yeah. And it's fantastic. You know, I get a little bit of tear out on the cheap plywood, but... Yeah, with a with a 40 tooth blade, there's not much you can do about that.
01:04:00
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Yeah, so we sent out nine blades to be sharpened and then two of them I had re-board, so they actually changed the size of the hole. Really? Yeah, so they could do that kind of stuff too. So the Stree Big, like a table saw uses a 5A.
01:04:15
Speaker
5.8 inch hole, what mitre saw uses a one inch hole. The Stree big uses a 30 millimeter hole, which is like an inch and whatever, inch and eighth or inch and three 16, something like that. And then two pin holes because it's got a break. So if it didn't have the pins, the inertia of the blade would actually like loosen the nut and, you know, and back it off. That sounds fun.
01:04:40
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Yeah. So, since we're not really cutting, well, we had a 10 inch sliding table saw, so we had a bunch of blades for plywood and stuff for that. The Stree Big is, it's technically 250 millimeter, which is just slightly under 10 inch, but you can run 10 inch blades on it. So I had them re-bore a couple 10 inch table saw blades so that we could use them on there. That's a little bit better.
01:05:07
Speaker
Well, yeah, just because the holes and everything. Yeah. So you still have the old miter saw. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I sharpen the blade up for that too. Yeah. We actually just changed the blade on that. We bought, we bought this blade and I accidentally, it's funny, we're talking about boring. I accidentally ordered it with a five ACE inch bore.
01:05:32
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not thinking that, you know, miter saw needs a one inch. So it came and we were using dynamic saw in Buffalo for our sharpening at the time before we started using Ridge. So I called him up. I'm like, yeah, I got this blade. I'm like, I want to see if you could re-bore it to one inch. He's like, oh, what is it? I'm like, it's, you know, Everlast, whatever, blah, blah, blah, 100 tooth. He's like,
01:05:56
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What are you using that for? I'm like, well, we break down rough lumber. He's like, that's not going to work for that. I'm like, OK, whatever.
01:06:04
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We used it for like two years. It worked great. And then so finally I just, uh, I ended up buying another one of those matching blades that was the right bore and then sending that one to, um, to rich to get reboard. But I finally just changed it to the second one. Like this guy said it wasn't going to work. I use it for two years. It was still like, I mean, it was still cutting good. I didn't need to change it, but it was like, well, I might as well send it out. Yeah, why not?
01:06:30
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Yeah. I like the new, uh, that would work it too. Yeah. It's pretty clean. We use those for a long time. That's a nice blade. Yeah. We have a forest on the, um, street big right now. Duraline H T or something like that. Or AT Duraline AT. It's just like a super aggressive look to it. It's got like really pointy teeth. You know, they have that like alternate bevel. These are like the angle is really steep. Really? Yeah.
01:07:00
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That was have a hard time finding quality blades for like tracks.
01:07:06
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Yeah. The Makita ones that we've, we've, uh, used are pretty good. The Freud industrial are pretty good. Um, I think like, so we use a lot of Everlast blades and that's actually Ridge Carbide's like parent company. It's like they're, you know, more industrial kind of line. Um, but the pricing is really good and I'm pretty sure that they make track saw blades. I'd like to try those out. Yeah. Cause I think I,
01:07:30
Speaker
needed one because I was just getting some crazy tear out and I think I just went on Amazon, grabbed something. It wasn't much better than the Makita crap one that was on there. That was already like, not crap, but it was already dull. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just sent out a Makita. Those, the silver Makita ones that come with the sauce seem to be pretty good quality. I think they're made in China, but they're, they're pretty good for,
01:07:58
Speaker
You know, for like a $40 blade or whatever. Yeah. I see a lot of people using those white track saw blades. I can't think of the name. I think it starts with an O. I like it. Not Oshlin. Yeah. No, that might be it. O-S-H-I-N. Okay. Yeah. I thought that's one of the ones I got. Yeah. But it was silver and it had like green on it. It's the one I got. And it wasn't, wasn't too much better. No. Maybe it's just wrong teeth or.
01:08:26
Speaker
Yeah. I don't like any blade that has like paint, like the Diablo, like that red paint. Yeah. It's on everything. Yeah. And they're like, Oh, it's like an anti-stick. It's like, well, that, that part of the saw really shouldn't ever be touching the wood. Yeah. I'm not cooking an egg on the blade, you know? Like the teeth are wider than the plate of the saw for a reason. Yeah. Like if, if that is touching the wood, it means that your blade is wobbly. Right. Yeah. And you're pinching and
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01:09:12
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Yeah, great stuff. We've been using the three by four sanders a ton and looking at, looking at another sander. Not sure if we're going to go what you need or somebody else, but we like to try, try a little bit of everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I think did nice.
01:09:26
Speaker
Just an all-purpose sander. I've got the big Rotex and yeah, it's okay. It's really like it's got to be like a rough like I used it on those doors that I'm restoring to like with like 80 grit and it like really took it off fast, but like you can't finish saying with that. No, it's too big and yeah, and doesn't have a fine enough orbit. Yeah, so I think I need to get like a ETS or some kind of orbitable
01:09:53
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That's a new one. That's the high-end one. I like that we got a couple of air sanders. I mean, a massive compressor, but we got a couple of air sanders. They're pretty good. They're good for that in between. Like they sell them with a finer orbit. We got with a three sixteenths orbit, I think. So it's like somewhere between like the ETS and the Rotex. So it's good for like that.
01:10:20
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you know, up to like, say 150, 180, and then I would go to the, even finish sanding, like if I want, if I was going to finish sand at 180, I'd use the ETS because it's got smaller orbit, but right. It's got good ergonomics.
01:10:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I got the Rotex cause I was like, oh, this thing can just do everything. Yeah. It's like, you know, you can't, you mess with the suction settings and all that. It still gets swirls. Yeah. I did everything right. The Rotex does a lot of, it makes a lot of swirls. It's very frustrating. You know, it's working on something and then you're like, Oh, it looks so good. And then to finish on you, like those come from all these pigtails. Yeah. Yeah. The little squiggly lines and
01:11:03
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And the thing with the Rotex, like, you know, with the ETS, if you put it down, for the most part, it'll just sit there. The Rotex goes like this and falls over. Right. Because it's so back heavy. Yeah. So you have to counteract that as you're sanding. Yeah. And it has so much power that it wants to just get away from you anyway. Right. So yeah, that's that's the thing about the Dynabrade is you're on top of it and you're
01:11:27
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you have to push the paddle down. So it puts you in like a, and same thing with the, you need to put your hand in like a very controlled place, you know? You have to check something out. Check that out. Cause I have the 92, which that's a complete waste of a tool.
01:11:49
Speaker
I mean, it's great. I, you know, I use it, but not, not often enough to warranty the money spent. Yeah. Like a, so 90 is what it's like three, a little bit bigger than three. Yeah. Three and a quarter, I think. Yeah. Cause three would be 76.
01:12:09
Speaker
76 millimeters. I was looking at that for, so the sander that I want to get is for like onsite stuff for scribing fillers and stuff. Use it with like whatever like 60 grit instead of like a belt sander where I use a power planer.
01:12:25
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just better dust collection, little bit slower than a power planer so you can like really like work up to the line. So like the Rotex 90 is on that list, but it just seems too big like to hold it upside down with one hand seems still still a little large. Yeah. And I even got the, I mean, it came with the little triangle pad on it. So that's nice to get into the little corners.
01:12:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's the best thing about that. It's not a triangle, but it's a square or rectangle, the three by four sander. Yeah. Like door panels and stuff. You can't get in there with an orbital. No. And good luck like hand sanding and then using the orbital, like it never comes out, right? It doesn't. Yeah. It's always uneven. And you run into the edge one time with the orbital. Yeah. And the whole thing is jacked up. Exactly. Yeah. We were just talking about the little, little lines on that just show up randomly.
01:13:16
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Yeah. And you know, God forbid you get like a little something on the sand paver and it's making all these crazy swirls.
01:13:24
Speaker
Yeah. Nothing worse than sanding. Yeah. I've been like going through different kinds of sand papers and stuff. I mean, obviously you get the rotex, you want to use their paper, but I was, I used like the thin stuff, almost like see-through. It's like, I'm almost like a mesh. Okay. I got some of those and that seemed to work pretty well. I used it on a, I don't get caked up.
01:13:48
Speaker
Yeah, the mesh is good for dust collection for sure. But I found that the problem with the mesh is the Velcro actually goes through it a little bit and then it cuts it off basically and then like it ruins the pad. So you have to use that in between pad. Correct. And then you got this like spongy. So it's like you can't win.
01:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. And there's just so many attachments. It's like, oh, do I use the blue head or the blue pad or the black pad or the green pad? Like, I just want to pick it up, have sandpaper on it and sand. Yeah. I guess it's too much to ask nowadays, you know? Wow. Yeah. Especially with Festool is all about the accessories. Yeah. A lot.
01:14:32
Speaker
I did get there, I do have one tool I got that I really enjoy is the router. They're 1400. Yeah, the 1400 is nice. We have the 1010, which is a little quarter inch. Okay.
01:14:46
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Yeah. I like it so far. It's better than like the, the big, the Walt one I had. Yeah. Yes. It's nice and it works. Like it's just, just made to work like it. Yeah. The festival routers are sweet. They have that little like kickstand. So if you're like routing on top of something, you can bring it down. So it rests on whatever, you know, the table or whatever so that it stays flat and, uh, the dust collection is so good. You know, people,
01:15:14
Speaker
I mean, I'm not like a Festool fanboy and I'm willing to point out where I see fault, but some people hate on Festool so bad. It's like you've clearly never used some of these tools because they're so well-designed. They really are. Yeah. You know, that OF 1010 for a quarter inch router.
01:15:30
Speaker
I doubt that there's a better quarter inch router. Yeah, probably not. It's, I mean, it's so good. Yeah. The plunge, everything. I mean, it's set up so nice. All the little, you know, features that they don't have. Yeah. The way they have the insert in the middle for the dust collection. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. I like, you know, it's slowly been picking a tool here and there for them. I got a big, nice, big stack.
01:15:58
Speaker
This has been wheeling that around the shop. I think it's the hardest part about having a shop is you get all these tools and now you gotta, especially in a small shop, gotta move this to get to that. I want to do this, great. I gotta do it all now, because then I have to move everything so I can do the next step.
01:16:16
Speaker
That was like in the old shop. If I wanted to cross cut eight and eight foot or not even eight foot, it could be like probably seven foot piece of plywood had to move the shaper. Yeah. Moving a shaper is not that easy. It's heavy. Yeah. And there's not really anywhere to move it to. Right. So it's like you could get like 24 inches maybe. Yeah. But if you have to do bigger than that, you're out of luck. Yeah.
01:16:39
Speaker
Well, in the old shop we had, so you would walk in from the outside, the shop through the garage door, you could, the table saw was running that way. So I could run it, you know, outside the garage all the way through. And now it's on the other side. So it backs up to the wall. So it's like, I have it nine feet, the blade is like nine feet from the wall, so I can at least get one sheet. But if I ever have to cut anything,
01:17:05
Speaker
longer than that. Screwed, like turned it around. Put it at a little bit of an angle. Cut a hole in the back of the wall or something. We had that at the old shop on the miter saw as we moved it. So the wall, you know, it was like in a corner almost like this. And we had like four feet or something. Then on the other side of it hit this thing. So we cut a hole in the wall and I had like a little trap door that would flip up and it could go inside the wall.
01:17:35
Speaker
Yeah, that's what we're doing. We had to cut a hole in the wall for the air conditioning. You have one of those little portable ones somehow. So that was like, you hook up a dryer, but magnetic thing and put a little, it's a lot of extra work that
01:17:53
Speaker
That was like the, we had the laser like that. It went out the wall at the old shop and vented the smoke. Yeah. Here I have, there's a window upstairs. So there's like all this duck work that goes up, up the stairs and out the window. So I don't know if you could smell it when you got here, but I had, I had the laser off for, I don't know, maybe a half hour or so. But, uh, when that thing's running, you go outside, you could smell, it smells like a campfire. That's good.
Local Area and WorkbenchCon Experiences
01:18:19
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Yeah. It's nice. I'm sure everybody likes it.
01:18:21
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Yeah, I'm not worried about them. How do you like now, though, into the shop area? It's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, Kingsburg has a reputation of being rough around the edges. It's not so bad. This this section, you know, this is Main Street. So it's pretty it's pretty civil here. Right. But, you know, you get a little further in and some of the spots, it can get pretty rough. But we haven't had any issues. We had some kids like graffiti, the wall and stuff like that, but nothing crazy. Yeah.
01:18:48
Speaker
if we had i actually grew up but i was born in east keensburg really yeah so right down the road on ocean have that's uh oh that's like where that school is right yeah yeah that's ocean have school right yeah so i mean i don't remember it because it was two when we moved
01:19:05
Speaker
Yeah, my my mother-in-law actually lived like across the street from the shop over there at one point. Really? Yeah, like back in like the 80s or something. Yeah. Yeah. Keensburg's always had like, I mean, this was like a hot spot in the like
01:19:22
Speaker
early 1900s to the 50s. People would take the ferry from New York and like, you know, they'd have houses here for the summer and, you know, like anything neighborhoods change and not always for the better. That's true. Yeah. Yep. We had, we used to go to Kingsburg and Museum park here once.
01:19:42
Speaker
I've never been. My my mother-in-law took my son once. He had a good time. They have some roller coaster there that was on like the History Channel or something. Some like one of those antique kind of like a not American pickers, but one of the spinoff shows. Right. Yeah.
01:20:03
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's a nice place when you get a little ones. Yeah. You can outgrow it pretty quick. I haven't been back in a long time now. Have you been to, uh, what's the new place in Jackson, adventure America or something? Is that what it's called? Oh, down by six flags. We haven't. I mean, we've been there because that's where all the good restaurants are in the outlets.
01:20:30
Speaker
Yeah. I haven't been to that in that bubble yet. I'm not even really sure what it's like golf or something. Well, they have golf is doing a top golf, but that's in like the back. So the big dome, it's kind of like one that they have at Capelli. They do like sporting events and stuff. Okay. But they haven't really gotten around to it yet. We're hoping they open like a really nice academy there. Yeah. So we don't have to drive 40 minutes, drive like 10.
01:20:55
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. Every, every good team is kind of far from us. They've been teasing that place for years. Yeah. They had a, um, I don't know if you ever drive on 33, but on 33, there's like this Airstream dealer and across the street from it, they had a, um,
01:21:13
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like a shipping container, but like on the body of not the body, but the back part of a tractor trailer and just sitting there and it said whatever it's called, the adventure USA or something like that.
01:21:29
Speaker
I'm like, what the hell is this? You know, it's like coming soon. Yeah. And that's not even like really close to Jackson. No, not at all. Um, like Manalopin or something. Yeah. Well, uh, Milstone. Yeah. Like, yeah. Cause that's colonial hair stream.
01:21:44
Speaker
I guess so, yeah. There's like a Kawasaki dealer. I have a friend that works there. He's a big YouTube guy too. I think you told me about that guy. Patrick, yeah. I went to high school with him and then I helped him do his cabinets in his van.
01:22:01
Speaker
Airstreams are pretty cool. I wouldn't spend the money on one. It's so expensive. We did a table in one for a client. A lot. That like, you know, it like holds down or whatever. He bought like an old one. I mean, because they get some that people bring him in all the time to just sell them like old ones. He got one, a smaller one, and he actually redid it all inside. It's amazing. It's great. Yeah, that'd be cool. My wife wants a camper so bad.
01:22:28
Speaker
Mine too. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. We passed one the other day and she's like, Oh, look that campers for sale. I'm like, that thing's bigger than our house. I'm like, it costs more than our house. And then they're like, you know, like a tin can, like they're not made very well. If you buy like a, whatever a Coleman or I don't know what the other brands are, but yeah, there's like bliss was saying he rented one for maker camp one year. It's like, this thing's like man of aluminum for, yeah.
01:22:55
Speaker
Yeah. I was thinking about doing that because every year I always miss like the first year. It was so quiet. There was like maybe a hundred people there. I think so rooms weren't always sold out day after dance. Yeah. I called it like 9 0 5 and they're like, nope sold out. I'm like,
01:23:13
Speaker
All right. Cause I did not stay in a, the greatest of, Oh, were you at the, at the Wesley house or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. I was, yeah. It was like. I haven't seen it, but I get the reference. If you've watched it, you know exactly what I stayed in. Well, yeah. Corey from CT Woodwork. He saw like a spider so big in his room that he went and slept in his truck. Yeah.
01:23:38
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I. Yeah. And the smell like nose just burning because, you know, there's mold in the back. Oh, yeah. So, you know, who stays in those places like I did like aside from like maker camp time, you know, that's like their overflow. Yeah. Yeah. Like in the summertime to like, yeah, we're going to the Catskills and that's where you're staying. Yeah. I think that's more like winter.
01:24:04
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Like when they have all the scheme going on, I think it's more of a more used, but I don't know. There's some upkeep needs to be made. I guess. Yeah. Maybe the smell isn't as bad in the winter when it's cold. I doubt it. I doubt it. Yeah. Some of those rooms need some upgrades. Yeah. But it's a, it's a fun trip. I'm glad I got to go again this year. Last year we had to bail.
01:24:28
Speaker
Baker camps. Yeah. It's a, it's an experience. I think if you, uh, if you haven't gone, it's worth going at least one time. One. Yeah. Yeah. I've been all years except for last year. Didn't make it. Yeah. Uh, I think once three years now we went. Yeah. Cause my second year was your guys first year.
01:24:48
Speaker
Yep. And that was technically the third year, right? But the second year was online or something. Yeah. The second year they canceled it because of COVID. Yeah. So that was the year I was like, Oh, I'm going to go to this and this. And then it was like, no, not canceled. It's canceled. It's canceled.
01:25:06
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Yeah, I went to KBIS and then WorkbenchCon and then it was like, then everything shut down. Like immediately after WorkbenchCon. Yeah. Cause I was, I had tickets to go to Springmake. Oh yeah. So I was like, yeah, I can't go to both. Like I got to go to one or the other. And I was like, I went to WorkbenchCon once. I'll just go to Springmake this time and it cancels. I was like, you can't do anything. But I know WorkbenchCon is going on right now, right?
01:25:33
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Yeah. I think, uh, does it technically start today or tomorrow? Maybe tomorrow, Friday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Workbench Con is one of those things where I think one time is enough. Yeah. That was my like first, I did a couple of maker fairs and then I went to, uh, that's where I met Jimmy was that maker fair. And then for the first time I met him and then we did workbench Con right after that.
01:25:57
Speaker
And it was okay, but I mean, it's 200 people that do what you do and are vying for this exact same 10 to 12 to 20 vendors. And now I think it's like 500 people. Yeah. And it's a lot.
01:26:17
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It's very expensive. And there's a lot of ego involved. I feel like, you know, you got to deal with a lot of people who are a little full of themselves. Yeah. Yep. Yep. A lot of chest puffing and peacocking going on. Yeah. I've got this many subscribers. Yeah. Congratulations. Good for you. You put videos up. People like, you know, they don't outright say it, but it's like, you don't know who I am kind of thing. Right. Right. Why are you talking to me? Yeah. Yeah. I've gotten out of
01:26:47
Speaker
I gave, I was the first year I had just put out that pocket hole workstation thing. And I gave plan, some of that, one of those type of people, cause they had asked and I was like, sure. And it's like, Oh yeah, I was thinking about making one of these myself. And I'm like, Oh, okay. So when I see my design on your page, but
01:27:07
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It is what it is. John talks about that too. It's like, you know, we'll talk about something or do something or he'll do something. It's like, man, I got to like make a video about this so that somebody doesn't just take my idea. You know what I mean? Like I got to put my name on it before somebody else takes it. Right. Right. Like I have, I've got, I've talked with a couple of people about something that I'm going to incorporate into this. It's kind of like a miter station. It's cabinets with a miter station, a miter saw on it. Right. So it's not, you know, based around it, but
01:27:36
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there's a feature that I want to put on it that I haven't seen done yet. And I've only told like, don't say I'm not, but I like, I talked to Chris from make everything. And he's been a really good friend to me over the years, got me really started going and I got told him, he's like, Oh, that's great. You got to do it. I think that was like three years ago. I told him that I got to send him a message and like, Hey, I'm finally going to do it. You know, so
01:28:03
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You're going to start shooting the video and then you're going to get like, it's going to pop up on your YouTube. Like, yeah, the ultimate miter. So I got to get back into it. I haven't, I don't think it's been.
01:28:18
Speaker
two years since I did a video. Like I tried to record a lot before I had the shoulder surgery, the replacement. And that's when I was doing those videos with John. And I got back and I just, like during recovery, I was just doing small videos like that. I filmed already and they just never, I know they just never took off and I would did like one every week for like eight weeks. And it's just, they didn't pick up back again. And
01:28:46
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Stuff happens, life happens and I just haven't put another one out yet. Yeah, it's I mean, it's easy to get burnt out like Instagram. I'm lucky if I post every not even once a month because I just.
01:28:59
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Yeah, burnt out. I'm in here trying to get stuff done, you know, and that's the thing, too. Like you're trying to build out your shop. You're trying to record all this. It's going to take three times as long. Yes. And then you're you're trying to think about the shot and what you're going to say and how it's going to, you know, be combined to become this little movie, for lack of a better term.
01:29:21
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then you're losing focus on the project itself. So then you make mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. So I've actually like with these, you know, when you're building a cabinet, you don't need to watch me build five cabinets or 15 or 20, 30 drawers.
01:29:37
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Like one. Yeah. That's enough. And then you keep, then I shut the camera off and then I just like crank out the other 30. Yeah. 30 seconds of each little task. You know, that's like, you know, when John comes by, same thing. Well, uh, you know, you usually shoot like a lead into what's about to happen and then you get a little footage of the thing. And then he just comes back in when I'm wrapping up, you know what I mean? And going on to the next thing. Yeah.
01:30:03
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See, one thing I don't do is I don't actually talk to the camera during the build. Mm hmm. So that kind of helps me out a little bit. Yeah. I think I probably do better. People might like I'm better if I did something like that. You know, this is why I'm doing this rather than just say it during the voiceover. Yeah. So you feel do you do you edit the video and then do the voiceover or you don't kind of at the same time? No, I've been doing the video editing all the video down.
Video Editing and Social Media Challenges
01:30:32
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Cause then sometimes if you do the audio and the video and like try to cut them all together at the same time, the audio tends to be longer than the actual clip you're working on. So by the time you get the whole sentence out, you're already like three steps down the road. That's what I was going to say. Like I've tried to like do it on like an Instagram reel or something. I have a hard time like trying to
01:30:54
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to fit what I'm trying to say like into the allotted amount of time. Yeah, I definitely do it after. I tried doing it in the beginning and tried doing it one way. But it's all about time. Everybody wants to do the Jimmy DeResta video where it's just
01:31:11
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Time-lapse. Time-lapse and just crank it up and just no talking, no nothing. But not everybody's Jimmy. Yeah, I think that ship has sailed. He did it and now it's like, you can't do it anymore. That was his thing. And it was so popular because it really hadn't been done, I guess before. And he did his, like the voiceover ones were on his
01:31:41
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It's a Patreon page. But yeah, I mean, everybody's, I'd love it to just have someone record. I don't have to worry about it. I have to edit. That'd be awesome. That's what we always said. It's like, man, you know, cause like when our social media started to pick up a little bit a couple of years ago, I said like, man, I would love to just have like a full-time cameraman just, you know, because
01:32:07
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It's so easy to document what's going on, but if you're trying to do both, like do the thing and document it, it's next to impossible. One of them is going to be done half-assed. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to make things take so much longer. Today's craftsman thing is great because John does the filming and the editing and we do the
01:32:28
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uh and you know john gets in the videos too but for the most part we're doing whatever is being filmed and it's just great and he really enjoys that and i've really enjoyed this so it's a great combination yeah have john come over and film a video for me yeah john john's gonna have like six channels yeah yeah that was fun i like doing that yeah oh yeah
01:32:50
Speaker
Yeah. John's fun to shoot with. He's, he's good at, um, you know, leading, leading you to water. Yeah. You know, he's like, what do you think about this? You know, he's just, uh, he's got an eye for how the video, me, it's like,
01:33:05
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He's got like a storyboard in his head. It's like, yeah, if I tried to do it, it'd just be all over the place. I mean, when you do as many videos as he's done, you get like to understand what works, what doesn't work. So I'm still trying to figure that out. And that's the thing is like, I love doing it. I love putting out the videos and everything. It's just so much work. And then now it's been so long.
01:33:26
Speaker
And I'm like, how did I do that? How did I set up that project in Final Cut? How did I do that? You know, and the games change in every two weeks, you know, as to I have zero shorts on my YouTube channel. And everybody's like, oh, what are you doing? I'm like, I haven't put a video out in so long.
01:33:43
Speaker
I could take the videos, cut them down, make them shorts, but that's how long it's been since I've done a video. Yeah. Maybe that's what you should do is just put out a bunch of shorts. Yeah. Cause I mean, you never know the most, um,
01:34:00
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unexciting little 30 second clips are the ones that go millions of, we have one on the Today's Craftsman now that's got like 260,000. It's just like John cutting a little miter on the miter slit I made. Like we thought it was going to go nowhere. It's just like, I might as well just throw this up. And next thing you know, it's like picked up like a thousand followers.
01:34:23
Speaker
It's crazy. I mean, I'm still, it's still, the channel's still growing, but I mean, I'm not anywhere near, like some of these people, like they started well after I did, and they're already over a hundred, 200,000. I mean, obviously it's these, you know, like KJ saw this, like he started YouTube late, but he's just, he already had such a big following on Instagram that his channel just blew up overnight.
01:34:48
Speaker
Yeah. It's funny how like some people on, like some people are pretty proportional on platforms and then some people are like way swing. Like you might have somebody on YouTube who's got like hundreds of thousands of subs and then put on Instagram, they're like relatively unknown. It's crazy how there's like sort of this separation sometimes. Yeah. And then with sponsors, it's, you know, Oh, how many Instagram you thought?
01:35:11
Speaker
It's like, well, I've only have like 2000, but I've got like this many thousand on YouTube and they still, you know, it's some like YouTube, some like Instagram. TikTok. TikTok. Are you on TikTok? I am. But again, I think I've got, if I have 10 videos on there, that's a lot. Yeah. I started one for Green Street.
01:35:34
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You know, you always start out gung ho. You're like, all right, I'm going to do it. I'm going to make sure I cross post everything here because people are making money on TikTok. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And Facebook, apparently.
01:35:47
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But then, you know, like anything, it fizzles out. Today's, I started one for today's craftsmen a couple of weeks ago. I posted like four things and then I haven't been on it since. Like we got like nine followers. Like when I moved in, I'm like, Oh, the shop's coming along. You know, we got so many projects to go. And then it's like crickets for like six, eight months. And I'm like,
01:36:04
Speaker
Yeah. Here's the project. This picture of this, like we have electrical done, you know, and they're like, wait, who are you again? Yeah. You know, and I see people maker came to like, Oh dude, Hey, how's it going? I haven't seen you in a while. Like you still doing stuff. I'm like, well I'm here. So yes, it's just not post. This hasn't been documented yet. Yeah. Yeah. You know, life gets in the way and life changes happens and sucks.
01:36:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you got to focus on the most important things. You can't always, you know, things have to take a backseat sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Everything takes a backseat to soccer. Yeah. Yeah. Just wait till he's in high school. It's a lot now. I can't imagine not looking forward to it. Well, you have any closing words for all our fine listeners?
01:36:56
Speaker
Don't, don't really just try to keep making stuff. You know, like I still make stuff. I've done a bunch of projects that have flower cart for a local florist in Allen town. Oh, nice. And she's great. I've got a couple of projects for like people I work with and stuff like that.
01:37:18
Speaker
Christmas tree box stand thing. You know, but again, I took pictures and I did not video just pictures that I post them. Not yet. I have plans to post them all though, you know. It's the intention that matters. It really is just attention or intentions don't pay the bills. That's true. So I still collect a little a little bit of a check every month from YouTube, which is nice. Yeah.
01:37:43
Speaker
What do they say? All the pennies add up. They do. Yeah. Even like the couple of 30, 40 bucks from the Amazon affiliate helps, you know? Yeah. So it's nice. I actually went through and figured out how much like a video actually made. I'm like, Oh, that definitely was worth, you know, making the video and this idea of doing the plans. Cause that's the other thing. You got the plans and put it on your website and put it here and put it there. And a lot.
01:38:13
Speaker
Yeah. And then you can put ads on the website and get your Google AdSense there and blog. And you know, it's like anything. It's a full-time job. Exactly. That's the thing. You got to try and find the time to figure it all out and do it. And you know, let's be honest, at the end of the day, we're all tired. Yeah, exactly. It's been a couple of days. I'm like, all right, I just got to go out to the shop and I do. And then I'm like, all right, this is fun. I got the
01:38:37
Speaker
You know, I had a day off and I just made drawer boxes all day. Film one and build the rest of them. That was like the website I've been putting that off. It's been on my, I have like a little list on Milanote of all the stuff I got to do. And it's been on there. Today's craftsman website has just been there. And so finally today, I just buckled down and did it. Yeah.
01:39:00
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And I actually I haven't touched my website in a while, which is sad because that's what I do full time, right? Like, if anybody knows that you should be maintaining their website updating this, it's me. And I just, I'm too busy doing everybody else's website.
01:39:16
Speaker
the shoemaker whose children don't have shoes. Yeah, he has cleats though. Yeah, that's cleats. More than one pair, I'm sure. Yeah, you got turf, you got firm ground. Well, thanks for coming in. Yeah, thanks for having me again. You're one of our most, I always struggle with trying to find a word for this. You've been on the show some of the most times out of anybody.
01:39:40
Speaker
I think three, three or four times. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe two. No, definitely two. This is probably three, three. Yeah. It's definitely at least three. Cause I came in once when you had someone else here, had three people working here.
01:39:55
Speaker
Oh, Rich was with us then. Oh, wow. And then. And then you came in either. It was just you and Rob. Either right before or right after your shoulder surgery. I think right after. Was it? No, it was before because I went and did a video with John and then came right over. Okay. Yeah. So that was, yeah, it was right before that was in 2020. Wow. Yeah. Been a couple of years. Crazy. Yeah. Time flies. We've been at this podcast for that long. Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. Well, we appreciate everybody listening. Yeah, absolutely.
01:40:25
Speaker
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01:41:29
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