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Episode 16 Recap & Q&A Session
00:00:17
Speaker
ain't no shame but there's been a change loyal listeners welcome back to the show yeah thank you for coming yeah thanks for visiting uh we're here episode 16 i was just saying can't believe we're 16 episodes into season three already yeah well like you said that's four months worth of uh podcasting yeah
00:00:41
Speaker
So if you, uh, if you've been following along, you know what that means. That's a question and answer episode number four. All right. That's one of my favorites.
00:00:50
Speaker
Yeah, we got some decent ones today.
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00:01:19
Speaker
Check them out. Yeah. So. Let's see. Get my beverage situated here.
00:01:33
Speaker
We're doing an early podcast today. It's only nine 30, nine 40 in the morning. Yeah. We're still on coffee. Yeah. We just ran around a little bit. So rather than work and then stop and do the podcast, figure we'll do it now. Then we can put our heads down for the rest of the day. Yeah. So let's see where to start.
Platforms for Audience Questions
00:01:57
Speaker
So we have, um,
00:02:01
Speaker
We have some that came in via email and we have some that came in via Instagram. Let's see. I'm still having to beg for questions. Just saying. And a little pleading too. Yeah.
00:02:26
Speaker
So so we have we have one for Matthew Sario. It's a. I wouldn't say it's a follow up, but it's it's in the footsteps of his of his first question in the shadows of. Yeah. So I don't know if we should we should lead with that or maybe close with that. Yeah, let's close with it because it's a long one. I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's going to take some thought. Yeah. All right. So. Let's start off with this one.
00:02:58
Speaker
This is from our buddy Scott.
Original vs. Influenced Design Work
00:03:00
Speaker
Scott Taylor, Michigan man. How much of your business is working to other folks design versus you do it all? That's a good question. Yeah. I mean, it really varies, doesn't it?
00:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, there's the compressor. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I can see it on the waveform on cue. Yeah. As if the audio quality wasn't horrible enough in this room. I tell you, that's it's too appropriate. It's like the old adage of washing your car after rain before rains. The it always kicks on at the most inopportune time. Should stop here in a second.
00:03:49
Speaker
Yeah, we'll we'll tread water for a little bit. Yeah, I was thinking in here, you know We could even like put some two by fours on the floor and Build up the floor, you know, yeah to like and put some insulation in the floor
00:04:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's what we used
Hardware Store Checkout Story
00:04:05
Speaker
to do. Like when we were making studios, the floor separation was a biggie for the base. Especially if you are not on the ground floor. Right. You really had to like really jack up that that floor. And we use these rubber isolators. Yep.
00:04:31
Speaker
There we go, compressors off. But yeah, we already have low ceilings too. It's like this would be like an ISO booth. Yeah, a little hot. Yeah. All right, so back to the question, compressors off. I don't even know if you guys could hear, but it certainly looks like it's there on the waveform. Yeah. I'd say, I mean, really at the end of the day, when we build something, it's always
00:04:57
Speaker
our design. Like when we're working with a designer, we get a concept. We've gotten inquiries from designers and they have provided, you know, like drawings. But I don't think we've really done anything like that where they've provided the actual design.
00:05:19
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, some of them come close to sketching it out. I mean, dimensions will dictate and style will dictate certain things.
00:05:31
Speaker
But it goes in cycles, doesn't it? You know, there's some things where people just come in and we, you know, start from zero. Yep. I mean, even with this, the Christina job, like she's, I mean, I guess she was a designer by trade at some point in her life, but
00:05:49
Speaker
You know, she's just like a regular client and she gave us drawing. So it's like sometimes you have a client that will give you, you know, some concrete guidance. But most of the time, just regular clients like direct to direct to client business. They don't have anything, you know, they just say I want, you know, cabinets here. And then, you know, you.
00:06:11
Speaker
prod with some questions, you know, well, what do you like and, you know, what do you envision it looking like? So on and so forth. Then you design based on that. And it's sort of the same thing with the designers that we've worked with, where it's the same process. They're just coming to us with that information sort of from the get go. Yeah, where we have to, you know, do less prying to get that info.
00:06:36
Speaker
They had the swatches already picked out and they want us to try and include their little design cues and things like that. What can you think of that?
Custom Design Challenges
00:06:53
Speaker
we did, what was the last thing we did that was like totally from scratch? What about the, uh, the East Hampton, those two things like the, the Walnut cabinets were on now. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, everything there was from scratch. Yeah. The whole job.
00:07:13
Speaker
Yeah, so the only thing that limited you on design in that was the dimensions, really. Right. And, you know, you follow the function of the piece and all that stuff. That's true with any design, any good design. Yeah.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah you know some jobs there's more room for creativity and sometimes you know you're shackled by dimensional constraints and logistical constraints and you know
00:07:47
Speaker
constraints just put on you by the client in terms of what they, you know, what they want. Budgetary constraints. Yeah. I mean, that's a huge one. Yeah. Cause we can't just design whatever we want and expect them to pay for it. We've tried. Doesn't really work out. Sometimes more successful than others. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:11
Speaker
So, yeah, I hope that answers your question. Yeah, we didn't really put a number to it, but, you know, like if you wanted to. Yeah, 70 percent or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard,
Instagram Q&A Check-in
00:08:25
Speaker
definitely hard to quantify. Let's see, we'll go over to the Instagrams. Let me just see if I got any. Any additional ones in, I don't think I did.
00:08:46
Speaker
Doesn't look like it. All right. So, where to start? We got one here from our buddy Sal.
Joking with Sal about Furniture Line
00:09:03
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Sal the carpenter on Instagram. Another Jersey guy.
00:09:07
Speaker
When is your line of dripping wood furniture coming out with a winking face? Was that saw chasm? Was that jersey saw chasm? A little bit. Well, we can't talk about it, but there is a possibility of something like that happening.
00:09:26
Speaker
It's been, I don't want to say dead in the water, but it's been on the back burner for a little bit here. Yeah. Everybody's lives have been interrupted. All parties involved have been very busy. So I'd say stay tuned. And, you know, the joke's going to be on everyone else. Yeah. Is Sal in line for a piece? I wonder if that's why he asks. Sal?
00:09:54
Speaker
We flipped the script. Questions on you now. Yeah. We're going to offer financing. So, you know. Yeah, I've been getting all these things popping up on my Instagram feed. Now there's this new credit card vendor that doesn't take a three and a half percent fee. I'm not I'm not sure how they earn their money. Right. But that's their big selling point.
00:10:22
Speaker
Maybe they just charge a service charge to the purchaser, you know? Maybe. Like we use them and they don't charge us anything. But then when the client, if the client was to buy something, they charge like a 4.95 service fee or something. So they figure, wow, five bucks better than nothing. Right, right. Yeah, it's been like every 10th thing as I'm scrolling through. Oh yeah. I sent it over to Keith. I got a freaking ad for a pickleball paddle.
00:10:52
Speaker
I didn't even search for pickleball paddles, but who was saying it Tyler the PM on the Hamptons job that like Like so Keith was at the shop on Saturday and he's been searching stuff about pickleball paddles So my phone knew that his phone was near me. Yeah, so now it's feeding me stuff that he was looking at and
00:11:16
Speaker
Yeah. I worked with this musician whose son was into, he had a job as a programmer and I was asking him about all this stuff, you know, that back then was just rumors, you know, does your phone listen to you and all this other stuff? And he's like, yeah, you know, they, they'll track everything they could possibly track. Oh yeah. Like that's, that's the thing.
00:11:40
Speaker
That's like I was telling you, you know, they know how long
Phone Tracking & Privacy Discussion
00:11:43
Speaker
you stop on, on any particular thing. So they, you know, when you see the girl in the bikini and you, you pause on that for about five seconds, it knows that, that you did that. And then next thing you know, your whole feet is girls in the bikinis. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed because, um, I watched a George call and, and then I started getting all these, these comics.
00:12:06
Speaker
Yeah. He's got some fierce takes on, on our state of affairs. Yeah. Post-mortem. Crazy. Yeah.
00:12:20
Speaker
Yeah, his Boomer skits make me think about our interaction we just had at Lowe's. Oh yeah, yeah. Just went to Lowe's to get some flat stock for something. Just really wanted to see what they were getting for like 1x4, you know, like FJ Pine type stuff.
00:12:44
Speaker
So we're looking and it's like, okay, we could get one by six and split it and it'll actually, you know, work out better for what we're doing. Blah, blah, blah. So we're looking at the thing, 1998 or whatever. Sorry, cool. We take it the thing, you know, an eight footer, one by six.
00:13:02
Speaker
The lady, old lady at the register rings it up. She goes, all right, 33, whatever. I'm like, no, I'm like, that's that can't be right. She's like, that's what it says. I'm like, all right, we're not buying it for for that price, whatever. So when I put it down and she goes, well, you can go take a picture of the sticker. I'm like, all right. So we walked down the thing. I take a picture of the of the sticker. It says. Where is it? Was it 19 and change?
00:13:33
Speaker
Where the hell did my picture go? That's weird. I must have exited out or deleted it somehow. But yeah, it was like 19 something. It says right on the thing. 168 pine. One by six by eight foot prime pine. So I bring the thing up. She like scans it on my phone. And then like another lady walked up.
00:13:58
Speaker
I think she was more like a manager even. Yeah. Um, and that lady, the new lady manager lady was saying, yeah, you know, that's, you know, give it to him for that price. We got to change the thing. There's a mistake in the, in the system or whatever, because the 16 footer was only $40. So how could an eight footer be $32? Um, and
00:14:25
Speaker
I don't know. This old lady was just like not having it. She was like, you know, going to die on the hill of that. We, you know, we were trying to cheat them out of money or something. I don't know. She's like, well, that's a different piece of wood. But I'm like, look, it's I took out my tape measure. I'm like one by six by eight foot prime pine. She's like, this doesn't even say prime. The thing that she had scanned, you know, that was thirty two dollars. I'm like, it's white. Like it's primed. And
00:14:53
Speaker
She's been there for a long, long time too. Yeah. I never check out over there. I use, I go through the self checkout typically, but, um, so whatever. And, uh, she was just being a bitch. So I said, you know what, keep it and left, you know, kind of petty and whatever, a little bit of a waste of time, but you know, people suck.
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, they were clearly in the wrong. Yeah. Like, you know, and you got to put your foot down sometimes. Otherwise this type of shit just continues to happen. Um, like she was blatantly wrong. Yeah. But you know how those old folks get. Yeah. Yeah. George Carlin. He said it. The Boomer suck. No offense. I'm generalizing.
00:15:51
Speaker
I'm almost a boomer. I can be a boomer depending on what scale you use, but as a frame of mind and everything like that, in my life experience, I'm much closer to, what's the other one, Gen X? Yeah. You don't want to be a Gen X or either though. Yeah, but that's sort of like, you know, the broken home kind of, that was more my experience.
00:16:22
Speaker
Anyway, after that, a little bit of a aside, let's see, we go back to our questions. This is from our buddy CT Vader 1977. How do you come up with your designs and clients?
Design Influences in Client Work
00:16:38
Speaker
Are they interior designer driven?
00:16:43
Speaker
Well, um, the clients usually appear through Instagram or repeat business or referral. Yep. Those are, those are the three big drivers.
00:16:57
Speaker
And the design from influences, you know, like things that you've seen, read about, curious about, want to challenge ourselves for something. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And again, you know, the job.
00:17:15
Speaker
Yeah. You know, the parameters of the job really limit the design. Like, you know, there's only so much you can do when there's specific functions and spaces and all that stuff. So it's not like, you know, unfortunately we're not doing like a lot of freestanding furniture where it's just something that's just by itself.
00:17:34
Speaker
you know, like a like a chair or a table or or a bench or, you know, so there's piece of artwork. Yeah. Yeah. Like some of that, you know, studio furniture. It's there's a lot less room for, you know, creative freedom. Right. Christine's piece is a good example of that. I mean, there are so many
00:18:00
Speaker
things spelled out from the beginning. Right. She's like, I need this much hanging space. I need these, you know, these drawers to be this big. It's like, okay, well, it's like, this is all we can give you. Yeah, this is it. You know, we could change the edge treatment or the door style or, but that's really it. I mean, yeah. And a lot of it is, it's fairly obvious too, you know, the location, the existing architecture and design scheme, color scheme. Yep.
00:18:30
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, a lot of times when it's a job like that, the best course of action is to kind of just give them the simplest thing because, I mean, it's always going to be the most cost effective for the client. And every client is trying to spend as little money as possible. So in order to, you know, be competitive and do things sort of the way that we do it, it has to be simple when it's just like a regular job.
00:19:00
Speaker
You know, the jobs come occasionally jobs come in where, you know, there's a good budget and there's room to do something cool. But for the most part, it kind of just has to be something nice and simple. Yeah, it's I knew there was a name for that's Occam's razor where the simplest solution is almost always the best. Yeah. What was I going to say?
00:19:31
Speaker
Sorry about that. No, no, no. It wasn't like some, uh, some groundbreaking point. Yeah. Uh, Occam was actually a 14th century, uh, logician and theologian. I thought it was even before that. I thought it was like, we're talking like hundreds, uh, in the years. Um, what the hell was I going to say?
00:19:57
Speaker
Well, we weren't talking about the balancing costs and profitability with the design. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, you know, typically we're not getting paid for all of our design time.
Impact of Budgets on Design Complexity
00:20:12
Speaker
So like really you kind of just got to shoot your shot on the first draft and just go with it. It's like, you know, I'm okay with like, you know, every job doesn't have to be some like work of art where it's like, you know, we really broke, you know, broke ground. Yeah. Like we came up with some, you know, crazy new design. It's like, you can't do that on every job. It's not.
00:20:38
Speaker
Not profitable for one. No. That's like a good example is like that table. So we had a client reach out. They have this really cool piece of stone. It's 24 by 24 and they want to make a little side table for like next to the couch with some uplighting. You know, it's like a it's a $2,000 table. Solid wood, whatever.
00:21:03
Speaker
So they come to the shop. I had a design just that basically the simplest. That's what he said. He wanted it's just square legs, apron, top. That's it. So he came in and you know, his wife who it's for she didn't know about it prior. It was a like a Christmas gift.
00:21:21
Speaker
they come in and they're talking about you know what she wants and kind of they weren't on the same page no no and she's just like beating around the bush like she couldn't really give any like concrete things that she wanted just like this general like something with an axe or whatever so then you know then I sent over a revision Rob sent over a revision
00:21:42
Speaker
We can't spend any more time on that. You need to now hand us what you want because a $2,000 table, now all of a sudden we're going to have 6, 8, 10, 12 hours of design time. It's not going to be a $2,000 table.
00:22:01
Speaker
So a lot of times it's a waste of time to try and make like a, you know, a super unique, interesting design. Yeah. You can get a sense of whether somebody's open to it from the get-go or not.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah, the husband in Hawaii, the husband, he gives us the directive, simple. Then the wife comes in and she's like, no, it's too simple. Right. She's like, it needs something. I'm like, okay, but what? What does it need?
00:22:32
Speaker
I had to use all my strength to tell them that we'll build whatever you can imagine, but the budget's going to double and triple from where we are. You don't get to start at the price and stay there based on your imagination.
00:22:54
Speaker
Yeah. Revisions are not free. That's only like, you know, occasionally if you're like a really good client, it's a really big job, like with the Hampson's job, you know, there's like little things in there that probably should be change orders, but it's a big job. We're working in six rooms of the house. Like we can eat a little bit of that, you know, for the, for the sake of the client and, you know, and billing and it's just easier, you know, it's like whatever. We could be fluid on things like that, but
00:23:23
Speaker
She was a toughie. Yeah, I'm like just and you know, you say I'm like send me pictures of things that you like. It doesn't have to be a table. It could be a couch. It could be a chair just so that I can understand what you like and what you know, what are you trying to like? Yeah. And you know, we haven't got anything so. No, sometimes it's a it's a lost cause. You got to know when to cut your losses.
00:23:50
Speaker
Yeah, and you know what, you just push that off to the side and then who knows, in a month they'll probably email and say, oh look, you know, I'm looking for something like this. And then, okay, then we'll pick it back up. But for now, we ain't wasting our time on you, no offense. So I hope that, oh well, I guess we kind of answered your question, not really. Are they interior designer driven? At this point,
00:24:15
Speaker
Like last year, I'd say the majority of our work was with Jacqueline at Donnie Douglas. We had a couple of jobs that were direct to client. And do we work with any other designers last year?
00:24:31
Speaker
We did that one job with Kathy. So, yeah, a couple of designers and then we had a couple of our own, but mostly mostly with Jacqueline. And this year is shaping up to be, you know, I think a mix of some other designers, some jobs with Jacqueline and then, you know, more stuff that seems to be direct to client.
00:24:57
Speaker
I think it's those Google ads I've been running. Yeah. We're getting a lot of phone calls, you know. Got to get on Groupon. Oh God. Buy one kitchen, get one free.
00:25:11
Speaker
that Groupon attracts Angie's list. Yeah. Yeah. Porch. If we, yeah, porch, I get emails constantly. You got a new lead from porch, a trim, a trim lead. And I'm like, yeah, I might as well just unsubscribe from that because I, I never even look at them. When I have, it's like, oh, a custom furniture lead. I click on it. It's like, I have a cabinet door that's broken and I need a new door. I'm like, Oh God.
00:25:37
Speaker
I got a new microwave in my kitchen and it doesn't fit into the opening anymore. Can you cut this cabinet? I don't really care if you cut the door and just leave it like that. No, that's not really us. Oh my God. Yeah, we'll take that job when we're slow, but not now. So I hope that answers your question. We got one here from our buddy, Tim.
Future Guest Appearances
00:26:02
Speaker
Tim Beardsley, True Trade Carpentry. They're always building a cool door over there.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, man. He does a lot of doors. You see that tree that he's doing? Yeah. What's that for? Is that like in a lobby or something? It's for like a restaurant. I think he said it's going to be backlit. Yeah. That thing's awesome. Yeah. Tim wants to know, when are you going to have the most handsome Instagram carpenter on again?
00:26:26
Speaker
I think he's referring to himself. Yeah, humbly. Yeah, we really got to get into the swing of the guests again. Yeah. I was thinking about, you know, asking somebody to come in today, but we got to figure out the logistics of a microphone and all that stuff. We got another mic? No. I mean, I have, what kind of, are we going USB? Well, the problem is right now,
00:26:53
Speaker
It makes no sense. Like you can't use two USB microphones on a computer. You have to create this MIDI aggregate. So I have the aggregate called dual, dual MV7, which is our microphones. I don't think you can add a third. Okay. I do have a mixer, a USB mixer and another mic that, you know, with XLR. That would work. Cause these are XLR too. And we have the cables are built right into the stand.
00:27:20
Speaker
Yeah. So we could, we could rig up our guest thing that way. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually like to get, yeah, a little, uh, they have like the ones that are podcast specific. Yeah. Yeah. They have, I think they have like little triggers and stuff for, you know, intro music, stuff like that, which I don't understand why you would want to, you know, like why not just add that in post?
00:27:49
Speaker
That's a good idea. Well, I mean, if you're doing like a live, if you do a live live stream and then, yeah, that's true. And I guess, yeah, for like streaming, like Twitch streamers and stuff like that. Reminds me of my DJ days. You didn't know I was a DJ. No, I remember you telling me. Like a radio DJ. Yeah. Yeah. Arizona State University. Yeah. Broadcasting to the campus only.
00:28:17
Speaker
I love that there's like a meme where it's like, you know, like. You know what the radio sounds like when my dad turns on, it's like, oh, yeah, ninety two nine hard rock. Yeah. Like that cliche. And then it's like it plays Imagine Dragons. Yeah. Plays Radioactive by Imagine Dragons.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah. Um, that was actually back in the days of records. Wow. Um, but we had things they call carts. They look like kind of like eight track tapes and you'd, you know, you'd stick them in and they would play like the, the 30 second announcements and things like that that you had to do. Um, Oh yeah. Spinning records. Wow.
00:29:08
Speaker
Yeah. We'd like to, you know, turn this into a nice little studio. Yeah. Cozy den. Yeah. I wonder if we could blow out that wall. Yeah. I don't see why not. Just kind of there. Yeah. It's, it's definitely not load bearing. It's concrete roof, right? Or, and that's a wooden wall. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a steel beam right there. Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:29:37
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe we should leave it. Oh, look, there's a conduit. We got a conduit in here. We could just run new wires in there. Split them around. I mean, at this point, from watching Nick and Dave, we're pretty much electricians. We could just do that ourselves. Look, there's a connector right there. We could just disconnect that. Yeah. Run new conduit out of there. Oh, yeah.
00:30:08
Speaker
That conduit probably is open at the top and this light is powered by it.
Recording Studio Improvements
00:30:15
Speaker
Cause that light comes on. Yeah. If I had to guess the conduit probably just stops and the wire just comes out and then goes back into where it's cut, you know, it's just, they just cut a piece out. Yeah. That's what I thought. Oh, actually, you know, it looks like there's a box and the light is attached to the box. Yeah. We could even do like the, um, what I call it when like the XLR is in the wall, you know? Oh, that's cool.
00:30:40
Speaker
Um, with those boxes with the, with the covers on them. Uh, I don't know, but it's like, you just, you could plug your mic in there and then it would like go, let's say it over there and then the cord would come out and you can go into the computer. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. We're like a real studio. Yeah. You know, the cords start to get crazy.
00:31:03
Speaker
We could probably go to like a desk. I guess the only, you know, like a desk mic stand. The only thing about that is like, you know, if you like want to lean back in your chair and everything. Yeah. You really, for a podcast, you get the best audio with a boom and you really got to keep it close to your face. Yeah. So yeah, the answer is soon. We'll put you on the list. We got a short list going of
00:31:28
Speaker
of our next guests. We'll let that Tim on. Definitely want to have Manny on. Lou, I think is he's starting to break a little bit. He's he's becoming more open to the idea of coming on. Yeah. I think that would be a good episode. It'd have to be an initiation type of thing, you know. Yeah. And no one have John Peter's back. Yep. We got to have Wild Willie back on because that episode got ruined. Yeah. Yeah. I want to have Keith on from Blackthorn. Definitely. Yeah. He'd be a good episode. Yeah.
00:31:58
Speaker
Maybe if Rob comes down to use the laser, we could have him on. Yeah. Yeah. Long Island contingent. Yeah. Um, that would be a lot of fun too. Oh yeah. Yeah. We got to get, got to get that rigged up. We'll do like a casting call or do a whole day and we'll just have like, you know, we'll do four guests in one day.
00:32:22
Speaker
be like, you know, John Peter's walking out. Tim's walking in and then we got Manny comes in and then. That'd be crazy. Yeah. That would, that'd be a lot of fun though. Boy, we'd be exhausted. Oh yeah. Uh, next question here is from our buddy, Justin, Justin De Palma. Does the new shop overhead scare you?
00:32:47
Speaker
They call that nervous laughter. Yeah. Could we bring up the thesaurus entry for scare and and rattle off all of the synonyms? Yeah, the short answer is yes. Yeah, certainly does. It's you know, it's like a little black cloud that you know, you constantly have looming over your head. Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah, we were living in a little bit of a fantasy world for a while. Yeah. You know, everything has its trade-offs and limitations. That's the thing. Right. You know, over at the shop behind my house, we had that low overhead situation. Yeah.
00:33:38
Speaker
but there were a lot of limiting factors size wise and just in general, you know, this was a move that had to happen at one point in time.
00:33:50
Speaker
Yeah. And it, you know, it's like having a kid or buying a house or, or getting a new job. Are you ever really ready to do it? I mean, if you wait until that point, then you probably didn't have to do this. You know what I mean? Like if you get to a point where you're ready to do any of those things and you probably didn't really have to do it anyway.
00:34:10
Speaker
Yeah, we had this was a leap. And the timing was almost I mean, it was partially dictated by us finding this space, right? Because if if we don't find this space, we may still be back at the old shop. Yeah. Bumping into each other. And and looking. Right. Well, we found this spot. Yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, for as much work as it's been and as much money as it's cost us, I mean, I think it's the building's a good fit. Yeah. It's close. That's that's huge. Yeah. I mean, Rob now has a hell. What's it take you 10 minutes? 10 minutes in the morning. Yeah.
00:35:00
Speaker
Mine went from actually my commute is probably about the same because I used to take the back roads. Now I take the highway. So mine's about 10 minutes still. Yeah. You know, if I hit lights, maybe I got 12.
00:35:14
Speaker
So that's good. You know, we stay close to home, which is important. You know, you all of a sudden you have to commute an hour, a half hour or even 20 minutes. You know, it's a detraction from your day. Yeah. Also, I mean, being close to home, like the weekend work, like let's say, you know, I mean, eventually
00:35:37
Speaker
You're going to start your kitchen at one point in the future. You're not going to want to go an hour. What if you need to use something? What if you need to cut something?
00:35:52
Speaker
doing some home repairs, whatever it's, it's important because we have so many tools here that we kind of got used to having around. Yeah. Yeah. And even, you know, it's just, it's just convenient to like, so like I popped in over the weekend, like on Saturday and Sunday for a little bit. And like, it's no big deal because it's right down the road.
00:36:15
Speaker
But if I had to drive an hour, like I'm not going to pop in and like drop off stuff that I picked up and like maybe fiddle around with this thing for 10 minutes, which puts you ahead when the week starts. Right. And like, I don't mind doing that. It's not, you know, it's not a big deal. But if it was if the shop was an hour away, I'm not going to do that. No, it's like 10 minutes away. It's down the street. Yeah.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah, I like being in the neighborhood. I like being close to home. Plus, we're familiar with the area, you know, we could still go to the same places, you know, like we got to run the Lowe's. OK, it's the same Lowe's. We know where the things are. You know, the we've got to go to the paint store. It's the same paint store. We're not trying to, you know, create a new network of vendors and stuff like that. You know, when you got to pick up something locally. Yeah.
00:37:12
Speaker
But to your point, yes, it's it's scary. And I know, you know, I know you know, too. That's right. You know, Justin, he he moved from a home shop into a shop and I think he's, you know, hoping to maybe build a shop soon. I think he said so.
00:37:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's the ownership is of course the end dream, you know, for most folks, depending on your age and things like that. You want to have that stability, you want to have that, you know, the pride of ownership, there's all those things.
00:37:57
Speaker
Um, I mean, I, I always think of Corey and you know, he's, he's hoping to get ahold of that place. Yeah. Corey buy that place. Um, and hopefully things work out where somebody doesn't try and sell it out from under him. Yeah. That's what you got to watch out for. Yeah.
00:38:17
Speaker
I'm waiting for our landlord to stop by one day. See what we've done with the place. I'll be honest, I don't think he will. This is so low on his radar that, you know. I mean, it's our whole world, but it's like just a, it's not even Pluto in here.
00:38:39
Speaker
Yeah. For him, this is just, you know, just another one of his many properties, little comment, you know, one of the low earners, I'm sure. Yeah. But it's gotta be nice to go from a dilapidated, you know, eyesore to, you know, again, the checker and piece of the community.
00:39:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, let's say he wanted to sell this. We have writer first refusal, but let's say he wanted to sell this. He couldn't, you know, you couldn't bring people to see this before. You could. But what, you know, they're going to say this place needs to be knocked down. Now, you know, they might say they might still say it needs to be knocked down to do whatever they want to do with it. But at least it's, you know, it's habitable relatively. Uh, uh,
00:39:26
Speaker
acceptable, you know. Yeah. Yeah. We made a good showing here in the first month. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and we got five years to, you know, get it where we want to be. Yeah. So yes. And yes. Yeah. Okay. So here we go. On to this Matthew Sario's questions. Yep.
00:39:55
Speaker
Let me buckle up.
00:39:58
Speaker
So there's a bit of a forward. Jeff and Rob, I'm so honored that you have chosen my inquiry as the question of the month. I was laughing the entire lesson. Here's the thing, it wasn't a real question. That is a type of creativity exercise that I do and I have used in different workshops. And I must say you did it perfectly. The number of and the distance down the different rabbit holes you went was fantastic. But although it was not a real question without a real answer,
00:40:28
Speaker
You did not come up with the expected response. Thank goodness you called in the reinforcements and Keith knew where it was at with the hamsters.
00:40:37
Speaker
By the way, we did see each other at Maker Camp. I first accosted you in the middle of the driveway upon your arrival when I told you that you could not park your van there. And I said hello a few times in passing, but you guys were so busy that we never got a chance to chat and the weekend just went by so fast. Yeah, you're not kidding. It was a blur. Yeah. I will not allow that to happen next time I see you. Maybe when I help you move, if you need the assist. And Matthew did help us move and he valuable part of the crew. Absolutely.
00:41:07
Speaker
I understand that I just won question of the month for December and I'm not sure if you allow repeat winners. I would like to collect an entire set of glasses if possible. So here's my question for January. This one will not be so metaphysical, but be closer related to your area of expertise. Here it is. It's a good one.
00:41:26
Speaker
We all know that shake that, sorry. I got a shift in my seat. We don't have the nice. The Barca lounges. Yeah, we don't have the Barca lounges in here yet.
00:41:37
Speaker
We all know that the Shaker furniture style was a movement that originated in the 19th century and was an embodiment of the values and principles of the Shaker religious group. In so much as it is characterized by its emphasis on simplicity, functionality, and sturdiness. Adorned with unembellished and sleek lines, as well as a dearth of unnecessary ornamentation, their furniture is renowned for its practicality and utility.
00:42:02
Speaker
I believe it was frequently fabricated from natural materials such as wood and leather and I know it was celebrated for its artisanal excellence and fastidious attention to detail. That being said, shaker furniture remains in high demand for its ageless and functional aesthetic. So here's my question.
00:42:20
Speaker
If Taylor Swift were to beat a homeless person to death with a part of Shaker furniture, what part would she use? And from what type of furniture? Chair, desk, chair, desk, et cetera. Please keep in mind Ms. Swift's body type and upper body strength when formulating your answer. As always, it is a joy and pleasure to listen to your cast. Best regards, Matthew Serio.
00:42:43
Speaker
So I'll go back.
Hypothetical: Taylor Swift & Shaker Furniture
00:42:45
Speaker
If Taylor Swift were to beat a homeless person to death with a part of Shaker furniture, what part would she use and from what type of furniture? Oh, man. Do we clue in any first time listeners before the
00:43:07
Speaker
Yeah, they haven't even made it to this point. They shut it off like 45 seconds ago. First off, I love the ambition of, you know, collecting a full set of glasses. Yeah. Well, I mean, I got to say you're a front runner in this episode. It reminds me of back when I was a kid, when you go to the gas station and get gas, they'd give you a glass.
00:43:29
Speaker
You know, it'd be like something and maybe you had like a sports team logo on it or something. Really? Oh, yeah. Did you have to buy a certain amount of gas? I don't remember. I was too young. But yeah, it was a big deal. You know, you'd get that. That was a that was a thing back then in the 60s and like the cereal box prize. And now it's like, you know, would they give you a sticker, if anything?
00:43:53
Speaker
But see if you can somehow explain the link between Taylor Swift and the death of a homeless person. Well it must have been it must have been the last questions episodes of four episodes ago episode 12.
00:44:14
Speaker
We had the question from Matt Serio about the, if a, what was it? If this was that, then a panda was a lathe or something like that. Yeah. Something a hammer was. Yeah. If a, if this was a hammer and a panda was a, now I gotta go back and look. Let's see.
00:44:45
Speaker
In an alternate universe where a lathe is a panda and a hammer is a squirrel, what would a block plane be? So we said... What did we say? Beaver or something like that? Now I can't remember.
00:45:08
Speaker
He said hamster. Right. Because the whole hamster saddle thing. Yeah. Which you're going to have to go listen to Working Hands podcast if you want to find out what that's about. Anyway, we we brought Keith on live on a phone call. And so he he said the hamster thing, which we I didn't even think of. And then
00:45:30
Speaker
We had to fill out the episode for some time. So he had asked about that damn compressor. Must be leaking somewhere.
00:45:42
Speaker
Oh, it's actually, it's not even showing up. Ah, good. We got some good, good filters on. He had asked about the whole Taylor Swift thing because we got this weird comment on a, oh yeah, on an Instagram post about how Taylor Swift like is a murderer and like in the Illuminati or something. And then I tried to find this Reddit post where they were talking about how Taylor Swift is in the Illuminati and it's like,
00:46:11
Speaker
You know, first they make you like watch them kill a homeless person and then you have to kill a homeless person. It was this whole, you know, just some psycho babble bullshit. So that's where the whole Taylor Swift beating a homeless person to death comes from. Yeah. So back to our question. I mean, my first inclination is like a turned leg.
00:46:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. The leg. I was thinking a tapered leg. That's going to be, you're going to have to hit that guy a lot of times. I was thinking like a chunky, you know, where it's like four by four at the top with like, you know, you think she could swing a big chunky leg? Yeah. Well, I mean, even, even out of the heaviest wood, it's only going to be so heavy. Yeah. I mean, I think Taylor Swift's pretty tall. That's true. She's lanky.
00:47:06
Speaker
How tall is Taylor Swift? Five foot 10. She towers over me. Yeah, that's, I have to say she's just a hair taller than I am too. Yeah, but what she weigh? I don't know. She's pretty skinny. How much does Taylor Swift weigh?
00:47:32
Speaker
54 kilograms. So that's a 108 was we'll call it like 115 pounds. Yeah. Um, now I'm about the same height, but I'm, I'm, I'm tipping the scales more like 175. Yeah.
00:47:50
Speaker
But I mean, to be a performer, you know, you got to be pretty fit. Yeah. And she's got youth on her side. Yeah. And she's like, you know, one of the bigger acts. So she's, you know, torn all the time and you can't be a slouch and hand, you know, physically handle that kind of lifestyle. No, she probably goes to the gym on a regular basis working out, you know. Yeah. I could see her doing like maybe some like kickboxing kind of stuff in the gym or like some Zumba. You think she does Pilates? It seems a little too low energy.
00:48:21
Speaker
What about machines? I mean, she's got to qualify with the Illuminati. You know, probably like a schedule where you got to kill a homeless person every couple of weeks at least. I mean, she's a trained killer, so you got to keep that in mind too. I forgot about that. Yeah, well, I mean,
00:48:40
Speaker
What other pieces of furniture or elements of a piece of furniture could possibly be used as an effective weapon besides a leg? I mean, the leg is the obvious, like a table leg is the obvious choice. But is there anything we're not thinking of? Didn't they have some kind of like stick that like did something like lift it up like the clothes or something onto the or like the chair onto the onto the chair rail? I don't remember. I feel like they had something weird like that.
00:49:10
Speaker
Well, you know this according to the shakers they invented the circular saw so that's always good for dismembering. Yeah, that's true post post murder. Yeah Yeah, I could see like a like a table leg and then there's like shaker pegs like in it like, you know Kind of like the bat with the nails. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah
00:49:32
Speaker
I mean, there could be something like, you know, a big chest and, you know, it could be like hoisted up on some ropes and then waiting for somebody to walk under it. Yeah. I mean, maybe just like a whole chair. Yeah.
00:49:49
Speaker
you know, a ladder back chair. That's true. Just like WWF style, like right over the head. Right. Right. Like, cause the seat is a nice big hunk of solid wood. Yeah. Oh, I'm thinking like, yeah, like you're swinging the bottom section of like the legs, like holding the back and swinging like an old country and Western movie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:50:11
Speaker
I mean, Keensburg seems like a ripe for the pickin' for Taylor Swift. She'd come out here and just clean up the streets. Yeah, this'll get you goin' in that, you know, Dostoevsky and, you know, was it crime and punishment? You know, where the kid kills somebody that he thinks isn't gonna be noticed, you know, just to see if he could do it.
00:50:41
Speaker
That's this neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. We see a few candidates every day. It's like, yeah, it's just a ghost in the system. So, I mean, yeah, aside from a leg.
00:51:00
Speaker
Um, what's, uh, what's easily, uh, Oh, you know, like they had those candlestick
Humor with Table Leg as Weapon
00:51:07
Speaker
tables. Oh yeah. With that pedestal. You could get the swing in that thing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, hold on. It's got like the three legs. You can hold onto those legs and get some real bat speed with the top. Yeah. It's like a golf club. You know, that thing would be swinging 150 miles an hour. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:28
Speaker
Especially under the, you know, experienced hands of Taylor Swift. Right. Um, you know, like a bed post. Yeah. That might have some heft to it. You'd want the end to be, uh, you know, she's, her hands are probably somewhat small, you know, it's be able to get a good grip on whatever. Yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
you know, get the right amount of force, wield that deadly blow. Depends on what kind of homeless person we're talking to. Is this like a feeble, you know, a feeble homeless person or? Yeah, one of those really like rough and tumble that you really would have to like.
00:52:17
Speaker
Snuff them out like with yeah, like they've been sleeping on the street. They're pretty tough Seven or eight good shots might not do it. No, this is pretty morbid What if they fight back?
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. But they're they're unarmed, I'm assuming. Because is this like, you know, in one of those monitored Illuminati rooms where somebody would step in? Yeah, I think it's like probably like a case where they're sleeping on the street and then you just come up and kill them that are like you drug them and then take them to like, yeah, like some room. Oh, God. You know, like take him to like some abandoned building.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah, are we going to hell for this conversation? Probably. Good thing our sponsors don't listen, I don't think. We'll get demonetized on this one.
00:53:13
Speaker
This is for entertainment purposes only. That's right. It's like those like those betting shows. There's a huge disclaimer. Yeah. It is just a rumor. We don't know for a fact that Taylor Swift is in the Illuminati. Yeah. No. If the Illuminati requires any sort of murder, murderous initiation. Yeah.
00:53:42
Speaker
Um, all in chest. So, uh, I think we're, we're settling on some sort of leg. Yeah. I think, yeah, a nice sturdy table leg turned on the bottom square at the top. Yeah. Give you a good grip and maybe a corner. I'll do a little damage. Yeah. Oh yeah. A lot of damage. So, uh, Matthew, I hope that answers your question. Yeah. There you have it folks.
00:54:12
Speaker
And that brings us to the end of the episode. Yeah, we can't end on a lighter note. I'm not sure we have anything lighter. Don't forget to send in your questions. You know, I mean, clearly you guys have a lot of, there's big shoes to fill here with these questions for Matthew Serio. Yeah, he's got some issues, I think. He's just got a creative mind.
00:54:39
Speaker
I mean, these are as nonsensical as you may think it is. These are good questions. They make for a funny conversation. It's a mind exercise. Yeah.
00:54:50
Speaker
So, yeah, no question is too dumb. If it is too dumb, we'll just make fun of you. That's it. So don't let that stop you. You can remain anonymous if you prefer. And I guess I'm going to open questions up to email, Instagram, whatever, because clearly the whole email thing is a deterrent for people. It's a barrier. I guess. Yeah. I don't know.
00:55:13
Speaker
I guess people are averse to use an email. I don't know why, but so, yeah, so I'll keep. Posting, asking for questions, probably, you know, a few days before each episode. Yeah. Ain't too proud to beg.
Listener Engagement & Future Questions
00:55:30
Speaker
No, too lazy, but so, yeah, I guess next episode we announce the the winner. Yeah, sure.
00:55:42
Speaker
I mean, I don't think we have much to mull over, at least I think my mind's made up, but... Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have to bring in some competition. Yeah. Might as well just send them two more glasses. Save the postage. And a trip to the post office. Yeah.
00:56:04
Speaker
Well, folks, thanks for listening. Yeah. Yeah. Hope you enjoyed it. Yeah. And we'll talk to you next week. Send in those questions. All right. Take care. As always, Rob and I, thank you for tuning in and we'll see you next week. If you want to help support the podcast, you can leave us a review on Apple podcasts. You can join our Patreon or you can use one of our affiliate links in the podcast description for vesting finishes or Maya derm CBD pain relief cream.
00:56:33
Speaker
Again, we appreciate your support. Thanks for tuning in.