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Dingle All The Way x Conversation Street Crossover Episode!
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To properly dissect Corriedale, it felt right to have a crossover episode of our own, bringing together Coronation Street podcast Conversation Street and Emmerdale podcast Dingle All The Way. We talked about the highs and lows of the Corriedale episode and how it's shaped each of our soaps going forward, and It was so much fun to chat it all through for an hour or so - we hope you enjoy listening!
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Transcript
Introduction and Crossover Excitement
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome to a very special crossover episode of Dingle All The Way and Conversation Street. ah My name is Lizzie and I am joined by... Simon, your regular Dingle All The Way co-host, but more excitingly we have also with us... Michael from Conversation Street, hello.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello and Gemma as well from the same thing. Thanks for having us on, this is very exciting and very timely with Corridale just having ah been on.
Milestones and Comparisons
00:00:27
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah, we basically thought because um obviously Coronation Street and Emmerdale have just joined together in their historic and momentous crossover episode, we should have a historic and momentous crossover episode of our own between Dingle the Way hi and Compensation Street.
00:00:42
Speaker
Well, especially because we've just found out that this is like the thousandth upload for Conversation Street, isn't it? It is. One of our listeners told us this morning, because when we upload these to Podbean, it kind of tallies up the numbers as you go. Now, we just released episode 714 of Conversation Street because we don't give our bonus midweek episodes numbers. But yeah apparently this is going to be the thousandth thing that's on our RSS Podbean. Yay!
00:01:08
Speaker
It's probably historic moment. It is. We are probably going to go down in history for this. like Treasure these moments. I don't think many podcasts make such high numbers. No, gosh.
00:01:22
Speaker
And much like Emma Dale came after Coronation Street and has fewer viewers than Coronation Street, we came after you and have fewer listeners. yeah you li that you're You're getting close, aren't yeah you? You're catching up with us in terms of viewers.
00:01:34
Speaker
Yeah, Emmerdale. I mean, it's really exciting to do this with you guys because we always had people asking us, oh, is there an Emmerdale podcast? Is there an Emmerdale podcast? I was so excited when I was doing Soap Week last year to like see that you guys were were running and um it's really fun to... support the ITV soaps. yeah Especially now we've got the crossover. So we have a shared universe finally confirmed. Yes, true. stay Same characters appear in both now. Yeah, not just the same
Soap Crossover History and Speculations
00:02:01
Speaker
actors. can't remember, I don't know whether you knew this, but I was reminded of it just this morning, that back on the Dingles Go to Venice straight to VHS episode from 1999, what's her name?
00:02:11
Speaker
um what's name Mandy meets up with Reg Holdsworth, who had been a Coronation Street character up until the middle of the year. That's so funny. It's on YouTube. And and i I think I'd heard of it before, but never kind of sought it out. But you can watch it. And and it's her on her honeymoon with, I don't know, I barely know anyone from her down now. But yeah, she they get to Venice and and Reg Holdsworth is there welcoming them and as pervy as ever.
00:02:35
Speaker
That was back when soaps had the big budgets to do these sorts of things. When was the last time that Emmerdale went abroad? Oh gosh, I really don't know. Certainly, like, I'd say early 2000s. It's been a while. I would say the same for Corrie. It's maybe like 2006, 2007 maybe. i don't know whether we'll see those days again, sadly. Yeah, we're lucky if we get to go out to the Yorkshire countryside now. They didn't even go to London. Yeah, to me as a comparatively recent viewer of um Soaps and Emmerdale in particular, like the idea of them leaving the country, like, wow, they did that once? That's crazy. I suppose Curry went to Wales a few years ago. Does that count? Yeah, they did. That's exciting. That's big. Yeah, yeah in a way. Well, Tom and Belle were supposed to be in Wales, but they were just in like a different cottage on the side. Yeah, they go to anonymous countryside at some distance quite often, but you're like, oh I'm pretty sure i can see Emmerdale Village in the background. But yeah, okay.
Hosts' Personal Soap Experiences
00:03:34
Speaker
had like a dougie, no, it wasn't. It was a very nice hospital where um Bethany had her procedure. That was, where was that? Oh, yes, Turkey. yeah Yeah, a couple of years ago. We were closely in Turkey, but no. It was just a little set, but with blue wallpaper. Yeah. but but We love the set designers. They do a great job. yeah yeah Anyway, we're not talking about that. Are we talking about curry? Exactly. Thank you for getting us into order. Lizzie, you had a schedule for us, didn't you? Well, a vague sort of outline, but I i know obviously we'll go off track straight away. And indeed we have. um
00:04:05
Speaker
But I thought it'd be sweet to share, first of all, like, What is our experience or knowledge of the other person's soap? So Conversation Street, I feel like you guys seem to know a lot more about Emmerdale than we know about Coronation Street. But yeah, what is your experience of Emmerdale up until this point? Not much. Like, i don't I don't think we'd really watched much, had we? Last summer, we went to the Emmerdale Village tour. I watched that video.
00:04:33
Speaker
It was so good. yeah yes That was really fun. In the week running up to that, we watched a few episodes of Emmerdale, didn't we? I think. Yeah. just so so That was with john John running around again. yeah, that was with John running around with a bow and arrow. Like this guy. That's right. He had so much John content. He loves to run with it with a weapon. Yeah, that's his MO. Which was funny for us as well, because he used to be in Coronation Street too. So it's funny seeing him playing someone else. Yeah, so we watched a little bit of that. And then we went to the the village tour.
00:05:02
Speaker
And it was worth watching because we could then say, oh, I recognise that place. and Yeah. and Yeah, it gives you a bit of an understanding of where things are. And obviously there were some big Emmerdale moments and character names that we knew of, like we've heard of the plane crash. yeah We knew that there were one or two Dingles on the programme. But really, I don't think I knew very much about her and ah But we did, up from Christmas up to Corridale, watch Emmerdale just so that we were sort of properly up to date
Iconic Soap Stories and Characters
00:05:30
Speaker
with it. Do you know any more than me, Gemma? No, not really. I mean, I really remember...
00:05:35
Speaker
it coming on my radar when who plays kim tate claire king yeah she came into cory and she was played another character erica i really liked her and it was the same that happened when um stella came into the show because she was from east enders yeah michelle colin oh we've got i've got a big one from another soap and they're in our show now And Erica didn't really have a good time with it. And I wasn't super, I mean, I really liked her, but people weren't super impressed by her. But what's in her in Emmerdale, she's fantastic. So that's kind of like where it sort started on my radar. But what do you guys know about Corrie?
00:06:10
Speaker
so I know more than you, but that's a low bar. um i I've never seen a full episode of Coronation Street, but i um even the one between Emmerdale and Corridale, I did not watch, which really I should have done. It's only 22 minutes.
00:06:28
Speaker
I know. When I watched the Emida one, like first thing that morning, because they released it on YouTube that morning, and then I came back for Corridone in the evening. But um I used to read Inside Soap magazine, like late 90s, early 2000s, like religiously. At that point, I only watched Neighbours, and Neighbours content was very minimal in Inside Soap. So it's like, if I'm buying it, i'm reading every single article in here. And I still read the Digital Spy soap section for, you know, decades. So I basically know the big hitters and the big stories that are going on in Curry without ever having seen them. So like there were people and in this show, like, you know, you're Kembala, you're David Platt, like the big the big names who've been long time, who are like, I've never seen you move, but I've seen your face in stills for a long time. That is funny.
00:07:13
Speaker
it's kind of it's probably like you're being told it by like your gran something about yeah yeah into like hearing all this gossip secondhand going interesting what's david to now exactly exactly it's like oh you're real you're not just like a photo on a mantelpiece like everyone is a friend of a friend to you I've i've done some a bit of reading into Emmerdale. I don't know when, at some point, having done this podcast for so long, just because I'm interested in the history of soap opera in general. So we know a lot about how Corrie started. So I've like looked on the Wikipedia pages about like what was Emmerdale like when it started. Obviously, we knew it as Emmerdale Farm growing up. We saw that that was how it was advertised there. But yeah, reading a little bit about how it was back in the early days is always really fascinating to Yeah, didn't know that it started off as a daytime
00:08:00
Speaker
soap and then moved that's really interesting yeah because I was was sort of I did a quiz about Emmerdale on the on our podcast yesterday for for Michael and um I was like reading I was reading the Wikipedia page interesting interesting they changed name wow yeah I know that yeah and Lizzie how about you um Well, i feel like my knowledge of all soaps is very sparse.
Getting into Soaps and Production Insights
00:08:22
Speaker
i um I didn't really get into soaps in any way until being good friends with Simon. And I always knew that Simon was a big fan of Neighbours. And then he was ah visiting me. I live up in Leeds. And so he said...
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah, he said, um oh, i used to watch Emmerdale. Like, you want to go on the Emmerdale village tour? And I was a bit like, oh, yeah, I guess so. Like, that's not something I've ever really thought about doing before. And so then I watched a few episodes of Emmerdale before we did the tour, just so I understood, like a bit like you did.
00:08:54
Speaker
And then after that, just ended up carrying on watching Emmerdale. So i think because my sort of experience of any soaps has been just quite slim over the last sort of 18 months, really, and it's been pretty Emmerdale focused. I know even less about Coronation Street. But it's been really fun to sort of pick things up along the way. I know that um Chris Bisson, who plays Jay in Emmerdale, was also in Coronation Street as Vikram. So I think, similar to you, and I knew that Claire King had been in Coronation Street before as well. A few bits and bobs, but really not a lot at all. heard of
00:09:27
Speaker
Heard of Roy's roles. They have a lot of crossover with the writers and directors as well. Who is it that directed Corrie Dale?
00:09:37
Speaker
Oh gosh, can't remember. Duncan Foster. He's worked on both soaps. I don't know if the writer has as well, but there's so much crossover between the two anyway. And obviously you've got the shared executive producer Ian McLeod who he does both soaps and I was reading about where his inspiration came from for doing Corridale and I think it was the commute that he did between the two sets going along the M62 which i think is the one that was closed in Corridale hate this road so much and just imagining I guess he was just imagining crashing but yeah it's lucky that this diversion of the M62 was only like
00:10:18
Speaker
10 vehicles, all of whom lived in either Coronet or Emmerdale. I was thinking like, where was everybody else? we're We're all soap fans. We know that coincidences do happen on a regular basis. It's like a running joke in Corrie sometimes where the the ring road will be closed and that's why whenever there's some kind of disaster it always takes the ambulance and the police a long time to get there. close like I think that's what it was during the war. The ring road or something was closed, which is why it took days for me. yeah at least in emmerdale it's quite you can always rely on there being no phone signal for any emergency because there isn't any phone signal in like the yorkshire countryside whereas you know coronation street they met that didn't they because you said you didn't watch the preceding coronation street and as as carla was being driven through the the dales by kit she was there on her phone trying to contact becky i haven't got a signal oh lisa sorry yeah yeah so you must have been quite mystified by them oh my gosh yeah Even more than we were with Emma Jail, we did watch a bit of it, but I was still, when I was watching Aaron, John and and Rob, I was like,
00:11:28
Speaker
why doesn't this guy fancy the other one?
Current Storylines and Character Developments
00:11:31
Speaker
they're half brothers. They are brothers, yeah, yeah. At the end, I think, oh no, the episode after, after we watched the episode after. Yes, we watched Tuesdays. And was like, oh, I see, yeah, that makes more sense.
00:11:44
Speaker
Although we do sort of have a running joke about how, like, John and Aaron never really had any chemistry, and now that John and Robert are interacting, they seem to have a strange amount of chemistry, considering they are blood relatives. Yeah. Yeah, we had a theory that it turns out they weren't brothers and then they would get together just because they had so much more chemistry than the man that Don was supposedly in love with. But it did it not happen. now yeah so I was like, yeah, this seems like, it seems like these these two would be better. hey I think that you didn't know going into Corridale that Jacob was a, was it a trainee doctor or something? Yeah, well he's a medical student.
00:12:18
Speaker
I think they filled in the blanks when he kind of jumped out and started. To be fair, he doesn't do a lot of it. He's very rarely at work. Yeah. We've got people like, we have a character called Daniel who is a teacher and he is always just marking in the cafe. Yeah, as a teacher myself, I can tell you that that's not exactly how it works. There's a lot of marking, I guess, but other things are involved, it would seem. Yeah, and I don't do it in the cafe or the pub, I'll tell you that. During work. Yeah, I think I was able to keep up pretty well with what was going on. I think, who was it? Liam, the other character that turned up in Corridale? Will Chad? but also a doctor yeah yeah and they I don't think they'd been in the preceding week Sammerdale too much so I wasn't really sure about what was going on with them but the main story beats apart from you know when the big reveal with Graham came we were like who's that then well so was i lizzie's in the same boat yeah yeah i was just like uh simon who's this person who everyone seems to be quite like excited to see because i stopped watching between 2018 and couple years ago he was in when i stopped watching but i'd only been in for like a year so i missed like two years of him and when when i stopped watching he was quite a peripheral i think quite boring character but it must have become more interesting in the time after i stopped watching Right, so you were kind of like non-classified by this. When I saw him, was like, oh, really him? Okay, fine. He was killed off in Emmerdale like six years ago. In like four different ways, it seems like, yeah. He definitely dead.
00:13:50
Speaker
Well, we had Becky in ours. um She was the the one who got arrested in the ambulance. She was supposed to be dead, but she was never actually a character in the show. she she appeared with Lisa, who was the blonde lady, blonde cop, she was supposed to be dead, and then she came back from the dead, and everyone was, like, mad. much I do sometimes, the thing this in when I'm watching any, say or particularly Neighbours did this a lot, I'd look at a scene...
00:14:15
Speaker
and just think how many of these characters were dead at one point and you're all had like chatting like if one of my friends came out from the dead that's all I would talk about for maybe the rest of my life yeah it's a little bit Dallas isn't it luckily the people don't do it too much we did I remember talking to one of the um storyliners about like how you know why why don't people react they would remember that this happened to them because quite often some unusual circumstance will happen but it's happened like to three other people in the same scene but they never know that happened to me and if we had it like that then you would never stop talking about what had already happened and they'd all have nothing else done it's too yeah so I think one of the things on disease list was like trying to guess what was happening you've done really well by understanding because you did some actual research into but I did watch the I watched the little like you know one and a half minute clip on YouTube or or you of like what's been going on so I knew there was this like
00:15:09
Speaker
I can't remember her name. The the lady with short blonde hair who's got dementia. like Debbie. yes Debbie, Debbie. She's the best. And is was maybe kidnapped by somebody or being driven by someone, baddie? Yeah.
00:15:22
Speaker
that's Yeah, that's really interesting because what what happened was that's her brother, but we all we have a theory um that it's actually her her son. what we're kind of banking on at the moment. Yeah, we've been we've been thinking that for for a few weeks now. We keep thinking, well, surely they'll reveal it this week. Surely they'll reveal it in Curridale. As of now, they still haven't. So just look lot younger than Yeah. Yeah, they're about 17, 18 years difference. They're half brother and sister. scottcha mean He is a bit of a villain and he was going to escape to Germany with a bunch of money he'd stolen off her without her knowledge. And um so that's why when they're driving, she says something like, he says there's nothing more to say. And she says something like, get but there is. And then they crash. And we were all expecting her to say, I'm your mum or something like that. Of course, you could have done a whole EastEnders like, you're not my mother. Yes, I am. There's been a couple of moments where it' she's almost said it. So, yeah, she's got dementia. so that that storyline has been going on for a year.
00:16:23
Speaker
was and it could be very long storyline. She's still the early early stages and they're saying that it's going to keep running until at least next year. Yeah. yes what was going on with with those two i knew i've mean i've known about todd i guess because he's been around forever so i've read about him i knew about the gay vicar because that was the thing i've read about um didn't know about the third guy in in the love triangle who you know um And also didn't know what on earth was going on.
00:16:50
Speaker
i read subsequently about him like locking him in place the seatbelt because at the time he just looked like he was hugging him. And then i was like, I don't know what he's meant to have done because it was so dark. and I can see he's done something bad, but it looked like he just gave him a hug. Yeah, Billy billy the vicar, he um and unfastened himself to escape. don't know why he waited for Theo to come in before he tried to rescue himself. And then Theo has been abusing Todd and Todd was about to escape.
00:17:19
Speaker
from that situation. Billy was literally driving him to safety.
Interconnected Soap Universes and Humor
00:17:23
Speaker
Theo rocked up right as they were about to leave, invited himself back with them. And so that's why Theo basically fastened his seatbelt back in and left there to die, because Billy has kind of been a thorn in his side for preventing him from really having a proper influence over Todd. Yeah, because Todd and Billy used to be an item, and Theo is madly jealous of Billy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:47
Speaker
mean, the last time I checked in, Todd and Billy were an item. That's like like what I knew i knew of them. And indeed, the vicar in Emmerdale did say that he knew Billy in this week's episodes and he was sad to hear about his death. And my dad is a retired vicar and that rang very true. They all know each other. so I was going to ask how true that was, Simon, because I was like, sure, there's loads of vicars. They really all know each other. You'd think, but whenever I mention a vicar, dad's like, oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, I went to a theological college with him. It's like, okay. Wow.
00:18:14
Speaker
It was quite interesting we're tuning into Tuesday's Emmerdale, and they seem to carry on talking about Corrie Dale a lot more than Corrie did, and and people from Corrie Dale. Whereas John Sugden's got the odd mention, but i don't even think by name on Coronation Street since. Really? Yeah.
00:18:33
Speaker
no and And obviously Tuesday's Emmerdale, there was a lot of flashbacks to the night before with what was happening with John as well. But yeah, Corrie, they've talked, they've mentioned, you know, Billy's dead and and so they're going to mention it. But it felt like the momentum was there more for Corrie, for Emmerdale's way, would you say? And Emmerdale, we noticed that you guys in the episode before Corridale, there was that Yorkshire versus...
00:18:56
Speaker
ah The Yorkshire versus Lancashire, newspaper, headline. Oh, yeah. And Kim on the cobbles. Yeah. Damn cobbles. But Corrie didn't really do. Corrie was like, not going to. We don't care about that. I did one of those dates where one of them is much more invested than the other one. I'm like, Emmerdale's so excited and Corrie's like, okay, I guess we can meet up. But I've got going. I've got going. Yeah.
00:19:17
Speaker
Simon you were saying well I can't remember where you'd seen it but somebody was saying like Emmerdale kind of felt like they were really gearing up towards Corydale in a way that Coronation Street maybe weren't and like there was so the storyline that we have had like sort of dragging on for a really long time is a like county lines like teenagers involved in drug stuff with April and Dylan and then it sort of spiraled into human trafficking as well but we've basically been seeing like the same repeat scene basically don't know for like two months now of like just the situation getting worse and worse and more and more threats being made. And it doesn't feel like it's progressed at all. And we were in retrospect, we wondered if they were kind of trying to stretch it out until so that it could come to some sort of head. um in Corridale.
00:19:59
Speaker
But like, I feel like that story came into it because a lot of people on our Facebook group who watch Emmerdale were trying to help us and they were all saying this April storyline is going to be probably what brings them together because Becky, who was the cop who got arrested, the lady the lady with short hair got arrested in the ambulance. she's and She was an undercover police officer that was corrupt who was working with a gang and we were all thinking and then she's got a link to Hull, she was going to go to Hull. yeah um to escape from the country. And so we were all thinking, this is how it connects. Yeah, that would have been perfect. That would have made so much sense. And the new family that's just moved into the Rovers Return have come from Hull well.
00:20:39
Speaker
And they didn't even get a look in. They've not even been in it all. I think it was sponsored by Hull. I think Hull was the chorus called. Yeah. That's so unusual. The one moment it did have, which I think was a real blink and miss it, is that when Jay was in the van, he moved something and you saw dead Ray's face on the ground of the van. But like, obviously, if you don't do Raiders, that wouldn't any sense to anyone. But you mentioned on your um a recent episode of of Conversation Street that you're like, gosh, Emmerdale's had like three deaths in the last week. That's so dramatic. And it's felt very abrupt for us because, as Lizzie said, that storyline has really outstayed its welcome. It's just dragged on for so long. I think everyone's really bored with it.
00:21:16
Speaker
And then suddenly, very abruptly, like all the main players in it are dead. Like everything's finished. A lot of the key scenes happened off screen. You just find out they were dead and you're like, oh, we've sort of been waiting for that for, I don't know, four five months. And now we didn't even get to see it. Is Bear dead?
00:21:33
Speaker
We think Well, we're we're led to believe he is. Yeah, I didn't think he would be. We haven't seen a body. So as we know in soaps, that means he may well not be dead. But they are making it seem like he is. So what did you guys think about the fact that you had, John died in in Corridale, but you had you had three deaths coming up to you. had Celia, Ray and Bear. Do you feel like a bit short-changed? you think that they should have died in the episode or or what do you think about that?
00:21:59
Speaker
I mean, I'm mostly thrilled they're dead. Not Bear. I'm sad about him, but I'm so sick of the other three that I wanted them all to die. But I do feel, i I don't think they need to stretch this storyline up till Curriedale because it didn't really pay off particularly. I wish the Celia Ray death, whodunit, all that sort of thing we're going to because there's a big whodunit about who killed Ray now. Wow. And I wish we'd that had been like maybe like two months ago and I think that would have worked. And then the John death could have been this one and a different
Character Speculations and Dynamics
00:22:26
Speaker
storyline. Whereas we've just got like, it's not whodunit for ah John because we know it's Victoria. She's already. yeah yeah Although I still think maybe John might be alive because John, I don't know if you caught this, but John's big thing when he was still in the village was that he is an old like military medic and he used to like inject people with sedatives so that he could be seen as a hero when he brought them back round. And then sometimes it went wrong and people died. So what he had in that, um like what's it called, syringe... was a sedative that he was going to use on Vic, but then Vic used it on him.
00:23:04
Speaker
And I don't know if it was, maybe it was a lethal dose or maybe he he wasn't just hoping to sedate her, but he does love her. Like she is his sister. And so I wonder whether he's actually alive.
00:23:14
Speaker
oh my goodness me. But wait, didn't they say they found a body? maybe that Maybe that does mean he's dead. We haven't seen the body. I thought the police said they'd found the body, but we haven't seen the body. So i think it's all up in the air.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Anything. It's all on the table still. Yeah, Graham's dead and cremated, yet he's still... Can you tell us more about this police officer that got John whacked over the head? Who's he? Oh, that's Kit. See, he's a very controversial figure in Coronation. I don't like Kit. I love him. He's great. He is out for himself. He's more of an antagonist. um he is he's like He works with Lisa, who is is the blonde lady. She's like one of the you know she's the fandom's like biggest Yeah, like you can't be online without hearing about Swala. He's kind of like her coworker slash rival. yeah And sometimes he will help her out and sometimes he will compete with her because he wants, you know he's very ambitious. Well, yeah, he's also a bit of a bent copper as well, isn't he? Yeah, he's bent for justice. Yes. He will bend gold so that he gets his man. Okay. He doesn't care about, you know, all kinds of procedures. Yeah, like he might he might do a bit of evidence planting if it's for the greater good. And that sounds like if Kane Dingle was a police officer.
00:24:29
Speaker
Yeah. i Very chaotic. um But at the moment he's been a good guy, isn't he? He's yeah kind of like help trying to help Lisa out a bit and solving the crimes. Yeah. So he's been in the show for what, two years now, I think, is He's relatively new. He came in about the same time as Lisa became a main character. Yeah. I think. Yeah.
00:24:49
Speaker
And I assume he's recovered from his bash on the head now. He's fine. He's fine. Yeah, he went we had a couple of episodes without him, didn't we? He came into the Rovers during last week and everyone was saying to him, what's going on? Who's this? Who's that? What happened? And he's like, the investigations are ongoing and I cannot reveal any more information. that I think they know the stuff that they don't know. yeah He's the one who rescued Carla from the shipping container. she's And she's the one who ran in front of the minibus to stop them from crashing into minibus.
00:25:18
Speaker
yes we were saying our episode a while ago we knew we had this vote for which pairing of emmerdale and carlish it would get that scene and there was never any doubt that it was going to be in charity and it was a fun scene it was a fun scene but it did seem a bit shoehorned like it's not very in character for charity i don't if it is for carla but it seemed a little bit like there was sort of we should put this in Carla was being very subdued, actually. i thought Charity was coming on to her, but Michael didn't get... Oh, no, I think so she definitely was. She was a bit, yeah. I didn't pick up on her. I really enjoyed the scene. I thought it was a great scene. And, you know, from from what little I knew of Charity from two weeks watching, it it felt pretty in character. and and and yeah you probably didn't get... There was a line about... um
00:26:04
Speaker
The coat, the coat. And that's been quite a thing that people have been ah very disparaging of Becky's ah coat in the last... Terrible fashion, yeah I enjoyed you unpacking that on your episode. was like, that's a nice nod, yeah. Well, when when when Charity said, not this time, that's because, I mean, the Swala fans are rivaled only by the Vanity fans who are Vanessa and Charity. Yeah, I remember going to the Choking Awards where they were up for an award and that the whole... It seemed like everyone else was there for Emmerdale and they were all shrieking, weren't they, about Vanity? And we were oh my And they're currently like nemeses at the moment, but we think they could end up back together. think they're going to end up back together. I think that... Watching them going, oh, yeah, they... Oh, they were... Vanity, that's Vanessa and Charity. So I've never really... Yeah, yeah, No, we've only heard of... I've seen... I've seen Charity... Yeah.
00:26:53
Speaker
I've Charity, but I didn't know who Vanessa was. No. So that was quite... Well, the guy that the charity was with, Mac, with macck that she was with, is she cheated on Vanessa with Mac, and that's when their relationship started. um And I'm sure you picked up some of the like secret babies. shes She's carrying her granddaughter's baby at the moment as a surrogate. well they That's what she thinks, but actually it's Ross's, but then everyone thinks it might be Mac's. So there's like, yeah no one knows the actual truth of who this is except When's the baby due, roughly? Such a good question.
00:27:24
Speaker
Gosh, it feels interminable. I guess that's... It just feels like she's been pregnant forever, but I actually don't really know. We sort of thought she'd give birth at Christmas, but she didn't. So I guess so soon. I think she's supposed to be like eight months pregnant now, right? Yeah. I think Cory's characters are a lot more efficient. we They tend to have their babies scarily early. show Shona had her baby on Wednesdays. that That's out already now. And she was a very pretty boy. I was going to ask about the relationship with Shona because obviously coming in completely cold in terms of the dynamics. But the main thing I picked up on was when um Shona and I presume her partner were then david on the side of the road and he was just like, oh, everything's always so doom and gloom with you. And I was like, well, she has just been in a car crash and she appears to be like quite pregnant. And like, it sounds like she's also got health issues. So maybe you could be a bit kind. I was like, I don't know whether that was like said in jest as like, ah oh, this is like banter. Yeah, David is an incredibly dry side that makes a character. And their relationship is a lot is quite a lot based on joking with each other. Yeah, they are sarcastic to each other. yeah i mean, what the the issue with that is that Shona's baby has a growth on its neck. And so they had to have to have specialist surgeon when she was going to give birth to make sure that the baby was okay. And this this surgeon is in Weatherfield.
00:28:43
Speaker
so that's why she was panicking she wasn't anywhere near the hospital. Yeah, that makes sense. And also, um i don't know whether, so so some of the the sort of shocks that happened for Corrie, I wonder if you guys were like, so when David like collapsed in the hospital, were you like, oh no? When he started having a seizure.
Health Challenges in Soap Narratives
00:29:02
Speaker
Yeah, I was like, oh gosh, that man doesn't look very well, but that's sort of all it meant to me. Well, I learned from listening to your your podcast that he has epilepsy. I did not know that. So I was just is like, is he just a bit screamish? What's going on? I mean, he's fine. he's Yeah, literally the next episode, he just walks in the Jonah's room is like, anyway.
00:29:20
Speaker
Yeah, he can't drive for 12 months. Yeah, that's literally the only outcome so far. Corey fans would have known that he had epilepsy and they would have gone, oh he's having a seizure. Well, I don't know. I think a lot of fans probably wouldn't have known he had epilepsy. Because he only ever has seizures, like, once once a decade. He was diagnosed, I'm going to 2008, 2009 maybe, and there has been very, very, very, very few seizures. He only has epilepsy for plot purposes. Yes. Yeah.
00:29:46
Speaker
yeah once he was out of the park max and he had and had an ne attack in the park but uh yeah he's fine um the other the big shock for us as well as i guess for you was when kane um was shot did either of you see that coming no not at all no what is really funny is how much they've immediately forgotten about like within a day they're like you seem fine about the shotgun reading you can probably you can get out of hospital if you want like ready to discharge him David doesn't look like David. And then they found out this cancer, which, I mean, that's a storyline which I'm sure they'll do well, but Moira, his wife, has just finished her cancer storyline. Oh, no, no. It wasn't a cancer storyline, but like maybe if few years ago, it's some sort of brain, or maybe it's like a benign tumour or something, like so some sort of thing going on there. Oh,
00:30:32
Speaker
um and there was a semi it wasn't a big storyline a small storyline about prostate cancer last year about those characters who thought he might have prostate cancer and turned out not to and that was i think in connection with like prostate cancer awareness week or something um so the it's now come out that liam the doctor who is kane's unlikely best friend thought that kane had been tested for it so like well don't worry you won't have it because you were tested but turns out he wasn't tested and so it's all like it' ah it's a bit of awareness raising about if you think you've been tested for some cancers you might still have this cancer so it's a bit informational it was quite informational and um when kane just used like a medical acronym that kane dinger would definitely not know like oh no i only had the brcap2 jab so
00:31:15
Speaker
what did you think about how they revealed Kane's diagnosis or the discovery with like... I i love that. because You just don't know which soap it is. Even when he said Mr. Dingle, I didn't know who was because it could have been Aaron. So it's like, I don't know. really enjoyed that. I was just watching it thinking, I hope it's not Corrie. I can't feel another cancer storyline. Emmerdale can take this one. but Maybe the hooded figure will be ours. And it's like, no, it wasn't. That was Emmerdale well. Yeah.
00:31:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad we got the 100 figure, but i could i would I'd have swapped the cancer one as well. We don't need another cancer story. we We just had one with Kevin, who was not really prominent in Corridale, but he is this this he's the brother of Carl and Debbie who were in the car, the blondling. So he had testicular cancer earlier last year. He's been around forever, hasn't he, Kevin? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been in it 40 years or so.
00:32:04
Speaker
yeah Yeah. I don't know um whether you guys agreed with this or not, but Simon and I, I think both felt that the first half of the Corydale episode was quite um Coronation Street
Crossover Episode Analysis
00:32:14
Speaker
focused. And then the second half, it was Emmerdale. So in the first one, I was like, wow, I'm quite confused. And also it was very dark. So I couldn't really see what was going on.
00:32:22
Speaker
And then in the second half, I was like, oh, anybody who only watches Coronation Street is to be so bored right now because I feel like it's only our storylines that are happening. Yeah. Actually, do have a bone to pick with you, Gemma, about that, if I can, when you were like, I didn't i didn't care for the Rob-Ron engagement team. It's like, Gemma, you've got to get some enemies if you talk about them. I don't think all of us really cared about that, did we? Yeah, sorry, everybody.
00:32:46
Speaker
I think it's because that was all but that was kind of in the middle of the episode, wasn't it? And up until that point, we've been enjoying the fact that it was very Corrie heavy. And then we into this long Emmerdale scene. But to be honest, I really enjoyed all the stuff with John, yeah even though I didn't know much of the background of it. Because um we we really love kind of dark, villainous, murdery, serial killer-y types of stories. So we were properly hooked on that. Yeah, but I i mean, the Rob-Ron engagement scene was enhanced by the shotgun.
00:33:12
Speaker
Oh, yes. That's right. Yeah, we're hovering in the background. As all engagement scenes would be. Yeah. It is a third fourth engagement scene, and so they like they get engaged a lot. I've heard a shotgun wedding, but not shotgun engagement. Very good.
00:33:30
Speaker
Yeah, well, I guess the biggest thing that's, because we should cover like how these stories are developed, like the one that's really spiralled in Emmerdale is we saw Victoria looming over John's body and later learned that she killed him.
00:33:40
Speaker
that was all filmed by Joe, who was the guy who gave Robert a lift to get to yeah the crash. And he's now blackmailing the Sugdens. He's blackmailed them into, into putting incriminating evidence onto Moira's farm. And she's now going to be framed for human trafficking. Which is not what she needs after the year that she's had. She's been through a lot, bless her. So the storylines have come together in that way, in the least sort of least good way. Like Joe is, is quite an evil character who recently be mellowing and becoming a bit nicer. He like,
00:34:09
Speaker
he stole a kidney a while ago etc but but he's obviously taken like a handbrake turn back into evil but also graham who's back from the dead was sort of a father figure to joe i think at one point and like was the love of kim tate's life apparently yeah it was joe's aunt so it's like he's i think he's gonna have quite a lot of storylines coming together in the next little while Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
How much has Graham been in the show since Monday? Not at all. Not at all. luging ok No, we haven't seen seen anything of him. We've seen Rona on the phone, just one we think probably is Graham. So Rona is the step-mom, I guess, but effectively effectively mom of the girl who's been involved in all the county line stuff. yeah And she was going to run away with Graham when he was murdered. So they were they were in love and they were going to leave together. So...
00:34:57
Speaker
she's got that connection but Rona's now with now with Marlon isn't she and I don't know whether this is going to be a horrible a affair we hate affair storylines I don't know how you feel about them they make me feel really sad so I hope it's not going to be that relationship that's splitting up I suppose Yeah. Well, Rona it also described, because most of the rest of the week has just been Rona and Marlon telling everyone about the drugs the the drug cartel thing over and over again. And she described it as the worst few weeks of our life. And it's like, weeks? It's been like nine months. It's felt like years. And then my favorite moment, Celia, who was like the linchpin, the one who was murdered, the Bob, who's been there forever, was dating her. And my favorite moment of the week was when he found out and he said, like, I'm really sad that, you know, she was doing all this. If I'd known, and I wouldn't have bothered dating her.
00:35:42
Speaker
was like I wouldn't have bothered dating her. She was quite alone. Surely you'd phone the police or something. where I wish hadn't bothered.
00:35:52
Speaker
Bob is so funny. I think the scenes of where we got to see the slaves on the farm and the main difference seems to be between a normal farm worker and a slave is that they just look really sad and they walk through the slaves. Yeah.
00:36:06
Speaker
It's still their only job is moving things from one place to slightly further away. That's... Yeah. And they were like... Yeah. yeah it's all they ever do on the farm we have a recurring segment on dingle or the way of like have you actually seen any farming content and if we if we have seen farming content it is purely people moving sacks from one barn to another barn or even just across the barn sometimes so that's fun Oh, great. Yeah, I mean, most industry on current industry is is buttering rolls and... Yeah, yeah. I love that. Excellent. Graham's not featured too heavily because, you know, the girl who was tied up in the back of his van? I was going ask about that. We've seen bits of of her this week. She's basically been loitering around the hospital looking after, or looking at, sorry, David and Shona.
Family Secrets and Legal Tensions
00:36:56
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Who's a pregnant lady. Shona the pregnant lady. Okay. But it's been revealed a couple of days ago. Well, somebody saw her looking through the window and said, oh, you're a proud mother. And she said, no, I'm a proud auntie. And then yesterday she did walk in to David and Shona's room and said, hi, sis. So it's a long lost, never before heard of sister of Shona.
00:37:15
Speaker
But Shona has basically said, I can't deal with this right now. Let let us recover from this and then leave us your number and then we'll get in touch with you. So there's clearly... You're postponing that storyline until February, please. There's some kind of history between these two. um but But we don't know what yet. Shona's got like... And they were matching tattoos, didn't they? Yes.
00:37:36
Speaker
Shona's background is, she's a bit of a tea leaf. She came in the show... she's She was like in ah in a gang and she's on the wrong side of the tracks. Well, yeah, um because it was a grooming gang story that she was involved in. But I not i i struggle to remember have what she had to do with it. I think she was kind of a victim that was also semi-helping out. I don't remember, but she's been very, very good.
00:37:58
Speaker
as in morally good in most of the time she's been in the show. So she's not a but a wrong one in any way now. like Maybe Jodie has still got dodgy side to her. yeah But then she was tied up as well. So is she... There's something going on there if you're tied up in the back of someone's van. Yeah.
00:38:16
Speaker
Was she just being transported to go and carry some sacks around the farm? I mean, she looks like she could look really sad doing that. That is the main thing. It's true. She's got the charts. Yeah.
00:38:29
Speaker
um yeah So how how have any of the other like big moments in or the in the um or storylines in the corridor developed in the past week? Well, we've got lisa Lisa and Carla and Becky. So Becky was arrested. She's now in prison and she's blackmailing Lisa um because she still loves About what?
00:38:48
Speaker
um Because she's saying, well, because they were they were married when Becky was corrupt and then she ah faked her death and went to Spain. you do. Classic, classic. I didn't know about this, but Becky is kind of saying to her, like, what did where did you think all the money came from? You know, you're implicated unless you kind of... don't what she wants at the moment. No. um But Carla is still mad at Lisa because she was locked in her in a shipping container while Lisa was kind of shacked up with Becky and then they were both going to run off to Spain again because know where else is that you have to go to Spain yeah the school is not reconciled yet but we are kind of waiting for that yeah it's an inevitability yeah yeah we've also had the the other big development this week ah but apart from the you know Shona having a baby which was the whole of Wednesday's episode that was a great episode But Thursday, quite a lot of it was focused on the Debbie and Carl story. So Carl is now... Could you remember he moved Debbie into the driver's seat? Oh, yeah, to incriminate her.
00:39:47
Speaker
Yeah. So Debbie is backing up his story that she was driving all along. And again, we're thinking it's because they're going to... She's got a bit of a maternal kind of feeling over this supposed brother of hers. And so she's totally taken the rap for it, saying, yeah, he he was driving at first, but then I took over because Kevin saw him driving off originally. But she's like, no, I did most of the driving. It was me who crashed. It's totally my fault. She's been charged with death by dangerous driving. Yes. Wow. Crash was started by John Sugden, I'm going to say. Yeah, it was not fault. I was going say, she was not the problem. I wasn't sure how advanced her dementia was because I didn't know she would think she was driving this she couldn't remember if she's not that far advanced. They made sure to show us, like she looked in the mirror and she saw...
00:40:33
Speaker
the bruising from the seatbelt. So she knows what seat she was thinking in. Yeah, she's got passenger side bruises, hasn't she? But she hasn't shown anyone this. But Kevin, her brother, is absolutely adamant that Carl was driving. He was the one that crashed. And she's saying, no, no, it wasn't.
00:40:48
Speaker
At Debbie's wedding, Carl was um going to be exposed by Kevin with this video that they had of him driving the car that hit Tyrone, which is their their friend.
Villains and Redemption Arcs
00:40:58
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And so he's already in trouble, wasn't he, before he got to this stage. yeah and And that's why Kevin's got this, got it out for him. Also, Carl was having an affair with his wife. With Kevin's wife, yeah. yeah So he's just like a no good guy, really. yeah We were wondering, like going into the episode, whether any of our villains were going to be killed off, because I had the feeling that John wasn't going to make it to the end and that proved right. But we were wondering whether either Becky or Theo or Carl would ah meet their maker by the end of Corridale. No, no. Yeah, we just killed off all of our villains instead. Yeah, but all basically off screen other than John. Yeah. Yeah, we thought Mac was going to die. because it yeah There's been rumours that he's left. but um
00:41:42
Speaker
And we thought he was die in the bunker, so he was held captive in a bunker, ironically by John, who, you know having after having been held captive in ah effectively a bunker in Coronation Street himself years ago, he learned a trick or two from that. So Mac's okay. Well, yeah, he seems to be. he's All he thinks about currently is that he thinks that maybe his wife is pregnant with his baby. yeah So he's he's moved on from the actual injuries. now When he was in the car, i thought they were going to do like a signs with him. You know, like that moved the movie where um his wife is trapped but with a tree and if they move the car, then she'll die. oh no, Matt. Yeah, yeah. So, um, but he's a, so Moira, who's about to refrain for human trafficking is his sister. So he's going to be more like preoccupied with that now. Moira and Kane are together. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
00:42:31
Speaker
Yeah. They've been back and forth a lot over the years, but they've been together for, for a good few years now. And Cain's like still doing his diagnosis and working out how is how he's going to progress with the... Yeah, well, he keeps trying to leave hospital and then they're like, but we are still running tests. And he's like, okay, I need to get out. I think he really wants to like avenge John's death. Not avenge John's death. Like get to the bottom of the stuff with John. John killed Cain's son. so that was his first murder well it was manslaughter but that's the first the first death he definitely died so yeah um his his his hand was found under the ice when the lemig went through it in the ice oh that's it we did watch that okay yeah it all comes full circle no i don't think we watched that episode i
Stunts and Disaster Episodes
00:43:15
Speaker
think we did we seen that i think you did you mentioned it in the emmy dale tour podcast i think you did watch it
00:43:21
Speaker
but I often get a bit jealous of some of Emmerdale's stunts because I still think that like the Hotton Bypass crashes kind of the soap. The best stunt ever. And and even that in the eddie that the the lake crash last year, i thought that looked really, really well done. They did that so well. I can't believe it in the car park. They did that so well. So clever. We've got the tram crash at least for Kari. that's yeah True. you you know So not royalty, that tram crash. yeah How long ago was that? That was a long time ago, right? 15 years, just this part the month. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:51
Speaker
yeah I don't think they're ever going to top that, really. I mean, it was really... ah The thing is, it's like, if you... There's only a certain number of disasters you can really have. And I don't think... We talked about this yesterday. I'm not sure that Corrie's had a big car crash like the one we saw in Corridale. They've had a few smashes and, you know, a few cars crashing, but nothing like we saw in Corridale. No kind of... No, kind of... I'm lying ups, as far as I can remember. So I don't know whether you thought, watching it as Amidale fans, oh, this feels a bit like we've already done this kind of story. Yeah, I mean, Lizzie wasn't watching when the Hotton crash happened, but I think what was so good about the Hotton crash was that it did really brilliantly bring together so many different storylines at exactly the right stage of those storylines. And so this one felt a bit like, it's a great stunt. I don't think it's worked as well like storyline-wise. it has It did work well for Charity and Mac and for the John, but the whole like Ray thing didn't really work as we talked about. So it didn't feel as perfectly a meeting point, but
00:44:47
Speaker
yeah but The Horton Bay crash was like nine years ago, maybe. So it's like, yeah we're ready for another big pileup. I think that's fine. I think that like the same thing happened with the tram crash where it fundamentally changed or like developed completely new storylines. Whereas I don't think Corridale did that for either. So it kind of threw a wrench in the works and some things have changed because of it, but it's not like a fundamental shift.
00:45:12
Speaker
really yeah and so yeah certainly in emmerdale none of the things that shifted had anything to do with the car crash like it was it was graham appearing and it was john dying like and those things didn't have anything to do with the car crash
Romantic Dynamics and Relationships
00:45:22
Speaker
although i did wonder and i said this in our most recent episode whether so that final um scene with chas in the taxi it's like i feel like they've got chemistry like maybe they'll have they'll have an off-screen affair and we'll just find out it's a way for like the universes to in touch i don't know don't know if you sensed any vibes between them or not No, Tim tim is ah part of a very beloved um couple is with Callie. And um Sally, previously to that, was in a couple with Kevin. And they were like the so most solid couple. And I can't remember which producer came in and said... Oh, that was Brian Park. Brian Park was like, is how I need to wreck the best marriage on Corinne. No. And they've got break them up.
00:46:02
Speaker
So they've been broken up, kind you know, ever since and Sally's now with Tim. So if they were to break that up, I think people would get really mad. Yeah, really. Yeah, Sally and Tim are pretty safe. Tim is a pretty laid back kind of the guy i think he'd be the same with anybody as he was with her in the taxi from our end chas who is in the taxi is uh engaged to liam who's the doctor um but they're really really mismatched and they don't appear to get on on the rare occasions when they do see each other it's like they're just talking at cross purposes and we're all like obviously they're not going to get married yeah Yeah, nobody wants them to be together. We're all ready for that relationship. yeah
00:46:39
Speaker
Including both the fictional characters in it do not want to be in that relationship as far as we can tell. Yeah, well, you can't have Tim, sorry. No, you're not. I just thought it was a nice way There is obviously this link between Jodie now and Graham.
00:46:53
Speaker
And the idea that Graham is never going to come into Coronation Street, despite the link to this new character that we got is, is odd. He must be sure to be, he's going to be talked about. We're going to find out what she was doing in the back of his van.
00:47:07
Speaker
Yeah. So there's, there's a bit of a lingering connection there.
Future Crossovers and Character Legacies
00:47:10
Speaker
And we were kind of joking also about the idea that had, um, charity had her baby on the crossover maybe her and shona could have done a bit of baby swapping that'd be so good jonas baby did have a massive growth on its neck so i think they probably would have got that yeah the fourth possible father into the mix for yeahity yeah poor charity is confused enough about the paternity of this child it's like it's actually complete stranger I do wonder how much they discussed properly cementing the two together with like maybe swapping characters or something. i do think they're gonna That would have been good. i think they're going to revisit that at some point. It's too tempting. I hope so. It'd be fun. Hollyoaks and Brookside did that back in the day, didn't they? Yeah. went from one to the other I think what they really want to do is make people watch both soaps. Yeah. And i'm I'm not totally sure that Corridale has done enough to make Corrie fans watch Emma Dale and vice versa. I don't know what you think. No. i would agree on with you. yeah yeah Although amusingly, um Digital Spy this morning released a list of 15 suspects for Who Killed Ray. and the last one of those was Jodie. Like maybe it was Jodie. I mean she was too busy running into trees.
00:48:22
Speaker
Why did we have to have her? I was a bit confused about like which show she belonged to because she was just sort of an anonymous woman tied up in a van and I was like well that happens quite a lot in Emmerdale and I thought she might be ours and then was like oh we didn't see her again I guess she's yours. Then we saw the and it was like no okay she's yours. That was another problem with it being so dark as well, wasn't it? Because when they showed Jodie's tattoo, we were squinting going, is that the same as shown as a Corrie tail?
00:48:47
Speaker
Is that dirt? yeah but We did have the lights off when we were watching it, so it was it was not too bad. Wish I thought of that. Yeah, yeah that was a wise idea. Maybe Jodie's going to be better in Corrie because there aren't as many trees to run into. yeah It's a real hazard. yeah know we can't move for them. I think there's only one tree in Coronation. Yes. there's totally unrelated to any of this, there's a question I want to raise about, we had the iconic meeting of Ken and Eric, I think, obviously, more I think more iconic for Ken, really, because I i don't know how well-known Eric is outside of Emmerdale. Maybe he is. But I was i was looking up, ah but because obviously, I know
00:49:21
Speaker
who Kevallo is, but i was looking up how old he was and I saw that the actor is 93 and the character is 78. And I was thinking, does that mean when he started he was a 28-year-old playing a 13-year-old? No, the character is 78.
00:49:33
Speaker
so like Wikipedia lied to me. or not what Maybe it wasn't even Wikipedia, it might have been Google AI lied to me. There's a few years difference. with William Roach is a couple of years older than Ken, but Okay. Not to lie down. Yeah, why why why was Google telling me he was like late 70s, 78? And Cher was like, surely not. That's Google's AO mode.
00:49:51
Speaker
Yeah, I need to get rid of that. He was, in the first episodes Coric, he was like a student. Yes. So he was at you he was going to university, so... We've seen him squander his incredibly expensive education over the many years. He's not done really much with it. well he was the editor We've all squandered our expensive education. It's a safe space.
00:50:15
Speaker
Yeah, I just couldn't believe he was 93. He looks incredible. He's so great. We've got to see him a few times, haven't we, in person. And he is just like... just on it. he Yeah, he's still very, very on the ball.
00:50:26
Speaker
Yeah. Does he still have a lot of stories and things in Currie? He has had some some sort of, I'd say, mid-stories. He was nearly killed by Cassie. Yeah, there was a poisoning storyline where Cassie, who was hanging around with Steve in Corridale, she was his Ken's carer and was kind of putting, what was she putting into his? No, she was putting some kind of like medicine into his to make him sleepy because she wanted to keep her job.
00:50:52
Speaker
So it was like no hard feelings. Yeah. I mean, he does a lot of sitting down, doesn't he? Yeah. yeah but But I got the impression from watching the the Christmas to New Year's week of Emmerdale that Eric is being given a bit more to do. But he is, you know, he's early 80s, is Eric? Yeah, the character has just turned 80. Oh, okay. It seems like he has been ancient forever. Like even in the Plane Crash episode in 1993, he was playing an old, quite confused man. And we were like, that was ages ago now. Like, how are you still going? I think he was younger than I am now in it. But um yeah yeah, I mean, Emmerdale in general, I think British soaps in general soaps in are not always that. I think Coronation Street's better actually than, like Emmerdale doesn't give the old characters much story. And we've often had older characters who pop up for like one line a month or something.
00:51:39
Speaker
but um But Eric does get a bit more. He's he's just had, you might have seen this, I think it was after of Christmas, a bizarre marriage to Gary. It didn't work out what was going on. it was for tax reasons. Okay. I mean, I was surprised by the number of Christmas puddings I had left over.
Older Characters and Humor
00:51:57
Speaker
was about to get my hands on one of those. yeah And we have the history of the marriage. So he is trying to like safeguard some money for his family They keep calling his grandson. He's actually not his grandson, but, yeah if you know, effectively is. And he thought the best way to do this for some reason would be to to have a shotgun fake marriage with someone. But as people point out, he recently lost all his money through a Bitcoin scam. So I don't know what what money he's he been trying to save. Who's it she's married to? What's her name? Kerry.
00:52:24
Speaker
Kerry. her daughter who died in the limousine through the ice was eric's foster daughter for a few years when she first came to the show so that's sort of why they're a family unit of sorts and carrie sort of was his cleaner and then ended up moving in because he's got parkinson's so she was like trying to support him as well but again his parkinson's is very storyline approved you know pops up it's intermittent parkinson's i guess right so she was wearing the white dress to the wedding and then she said it was to fake their picture yeah but nobody seemed that surprised that she was wearing white to a wedding and She's quite unhinged. So like we love her. Like she's not had much to do in recent years, but she's a really fun, quite bizarre character. like she would do that sort of thing. She was sort of in a relationship with Jay.
00:53:12
Speaker
but like yeah, there were a few vibes there that I did really. Yeah, but it was horrible and nobody wanted it. So we like we did. It was really bad. Because they've been like enemies for years and you know sort of not like big level evil, but like petty.
00:53:26
Speaker
Right, yeah. Minor black male. They just really don't like each other, so it wasn't believable that they got together. It was interesting what you said about the impression that Corrie gives more for his older characters to do, because I wouldn't particularly say that's the case. I mean, Rita is definitely one who will be brought out for once a month if you're lucky to order a drink in the Rovers, and that's about all she does, isn't it? Although, Roy, he's his now, isn't he? Roy is a major character. Roy's still a very major player, so I think he's probably our... But it's all relative though. I suppose Because I don't know. We don't watch Emmerdale enough to see it. And we also have Evelyn, Maureen Littman, who she's kind of on and off the show at the moment, isn't she? She just phones them up and says, I want to be in scene. And that's her right. She's an eyeglass. I guess she could do that. I was so sad we didn't, I mean, maybe they've released it. I need to and find it. But one proposed couples was Nicola from Emmerdale and Roy from Corey. Yeah, I've seen that.
00:54:22
Speaker
Oh, Nicola's one of our favourite characters. She's like, ah she's, she's aging into sort of busybody territory, but she's always been like quite bitchy and sharp and like quite, ah but also a real heart to her when she needs to and she'll fight for the people she loves, that sort of thing, that sort of character. But she's always like snide little comments. And I thought, I mean, I know, i know more from sort the Roy and Hayley era, I guess, because that was such a big deal. But, um,
00:54:44
Speaker
I think they would have had a a lot lovely dynamic together. and i'd I'd love to have seen that. I'm sure they'll all come out. i have to. Yeah, i'm sure. There's no way they're not releasing them. wonder if they're going to do a DVD. That would be fun. I've seen the Sam. can't remember who Sam was with, won. was going say I really enjoyed the one with Sam Dingle. Yes, with Kirk. Yeah.
00:55:02
Speaker
Yeah. Why not do a DVD? Because nobody buys DVDs anymore. Yeah, but I think collectors do. like They sold us a blimmin' anniversary coin. We bought a stupid coin. Yeah. it's horrible it's we hate it but we bought it we can look at it and go look at look how low you sunk you bought this yeah and like them and the price markup on a dvd they can make a tiny profit even if they only sell that's like two hundred people that people they'll be fine print on demand down in the gift shop yeah put it onto a cd for you while you're waiting
00:55:39
Speaker
I did see that when they brought those votes, I don't know anything about Kirk, but was like, no one's voting for Sam. We like Sam, but he's no one's favourite character. I wouldn't vote Sam. He's up there for me. He's very sweet. Kirk is a type of, he's like the token comedy-thick character. Same with Sam. Who doesn't really ever have any stories at all. They bring him in every now and then to say something funny. They used to write better for him. They used to write a lot better him. He's just really funny anymore. Well, Sam's been in it for like 30 years something and he never got stories. But the last five years he has started getting stories, I think, because he's married this woman called Lydia who was more, I know, she's also brought in as a comedy character, but has got more depth to her, I guess. So it's been quite fun to see, like, you can be rescued from the once a month funny line territory of soap to actually...
Character Focus and Audience Engagement
00:56:27
Speaker
maybe B stories rather than A stories. yeah Your cast must be smaller than Corrie's. I think it's only a little bit smaller. it's about I think it was like 50 something. but and Yeah. 80 or so. Emmerdale and Corrie have got the same time on screen, haven't they?
00:56:44
Speaker
and i just wonder whether you your characters get more time to have their stories compared to the Corrie characters. because it's just Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, we don't have many, I think they also have got rid of a few, we have don't have many who only come up like once once a month. We've got like Rodney, who's who's barely ever in it, and and a handful of like Claudette maybe, but yeah if you're a dingle you're going to get all the storylines basically but but but there's no one who's like completely languishing except for like and a thousand anonymous children who we never yeah never see in this hotel yeah and teenagers who just like inexplicably disappear for like a a year and then come back like i'm doing my gcse's now and you're like are you i get now i've got that yeah
00:57:32
Speaker
We found that Corrie's been doing more in the last five years or so with like the late teen characters. and It's like they're trying to get more people, maybe trying to attract the younger viewers by having a bit more for the 18 year olds-ish to do. is is Does Emmerdale do much with that sort of age range? Well, April, who's been the centre of this drug story and before that was went missing and was homeless, she's the character's 15. I'm not sure how old the actor is, but she's been like so huge this year. And that's the big one. The shame is like we've got a few others who are around the 16, 17 age, but none of them are very good at actors. so i think I really like Arthur. Arthur's the best of at best of them.
00:58:10
Speaker
And it killed them off just before we started watching and who hadn't done anything for years before that so it didn't make real difference. And one of them went on a cruise for sort of two years or something recently. But I'm hoping they just start, I said this in our last episode, I want them to recast to all of them and then give us like good teen storylines. Yeah.
00:58:27
Speaker
I mean, we've we've had so many of them now. and Yeah, be careful what you wish for. It does feel like but they can only write for one type of character. It's like a naughty teenage boy who's up to no good and then there's a teenage girl who's on the wrong side of the tracks but she's got a heart gold and they keep coming out with the same characters kind of coming on yeah we we think it's been a little bit to the detriment of kind of characters our age yeah that's a shame yeah I mean it as as years go on and off everyone has ebbs and flows and peaks and troughs of how much they appear don't they so yeah yeah well it's interesting then coming to
00:59:03
Speaker
British shows relatively late because I watched Neighbours from 1998
Balancing Large Cast Storylines
00:59:06
Speaker
until it finished about a month ago yeah and that one the cast size was only like 20 to 25 and everyone would get the same amount of story basically so you wouldn't have the like the popular characters you get more stories it was really shared between everyone and and it's so interesting then to start watching British shows where it's like you've got your key characters you always get the big stories you get characters you get nothing it's like oh like it must feel more awkward on set in the British shows I really wonder how much of that is because of the awards and they because they're always trying to get awards and so they they kind of I don't know how much they really
Conclusion and Gratitude
00:59:40
Speaker
write and plan around them but I'm thinking quite a lot because you've got your A stories and you've got your A characters and then then it kind of goes down in tears and you end up with like some some stories some characters are only in a story for like a couple of weeks in a whole year because they know what they're going to get an award there's no point really putting much effort into that
01:00:00
Speaker
I'm not sure i do I do have my suspicions that's such a good point yeah and such a shame as well because sometimes you get them you think oh actually like we've got character called Manpreet who I think is one of the best actors on the show she's so good at comedy she's good at drama and she gets almost nothing to do and she well I think you said you watched some of the serial killer Mina it's her sister and yeah loved and she's she's one those ones who like she could do so much more but she's never going to because she's not like she's not in her 20s and she's she's not a dingle yeah i mean i think corrie's a good job of like having a wide range of character ages and i think that probably women in their like late 40s 50s get quite a lot of that's good yeah we do if they're dingles but not if they're not dingles yeah yeah
01:00:48
Speaker
yeah fab well we should probably wrap things up around there if that's okay with you guys i don't if had any any final thoughts that you wanted to share before we head our separate ways i mean we could talk for hours about this with all the main bases yeah i think so it's been really a lot of fun thank you guys yeah yeah no it's really nice to finally chat properly and like i think we spoke before we started recording about like international soap week and how grateful we were for you guys setting that and like spearheading that because it's such a nice way to bring together people who are invested in all the different soaps so we're looking forward to that this year as well yeah well thank you guys you did so much for it as well didn't you yeah it was really fun yeah um if you have got any ideas for how to to improve on this year's let me know because would love i'd love to hear some suggestions yeah that's fun that's really cool yeah and if anyone's got any cardinal thoughts you'd like to share with
01:01:40
Speaker
us you can get in touch at dinglealltheway.pod at gmail.com how do people get in touch with you guys conversationstreet at gmail.com that right isn't it yeah that's right you look like you look like i was promise our address or you can find us online we're on twitter and we're on instagram or on youtube we're not the top gear one yes yeah top top gear at that segment we called conversation street oh really yeah that's so rude But we've had that.
01:02:11
Speaker
ah Yeah, we have, yeah. I did find there was some sort of like ah Christmas countdown based in Dingle in Ireland that was doing lots of Dingle all the way stuff. But to be fair, they were before us and we inadvertently stole from them. we I doubt they'll ever find us.
01:02:29
Speaker
Amazing. Well, thanks so much for your time. And ah yeah, hopefully we'll cross over again in the future. Yeah, thank you for having us. Thanks. Bye. Bye bye. See ya.