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lizzie: Hello and welcome to Dingle All The Way. I'm Lizzie and we're excited to be back on the air.
simonthomas: I'm Simon.
lizzie: We're not really on the air, are we? We are.
simonthomas: We're live on Ding Sorry about that, guys.
lizzie: worry We're excited to be live in our own special way, which means pre-recorded, um because due to my diary, really, we haven't recorded in three weeks.
simonthomas: We had unannounced absence. Well, so there's quite a lot going on in fact.
lizzie: Yeah, I know. It's actually been high drama. I think Simon and I have both been feeling like, wow, we're really enjoying Emmerdale again. And it's so nice to be like, wow, this is back on form.
simonthomas: Yeah. And I realized watching today's episode that part of what I was enjoying was that Graham wasn't there. And because when he came back, I was like, oh, that's hard to take.
lizzie: not kidding.
simonthomas: But yeah, I mean, it has been, we've had some new stories. It hasn't just been the same stories going on forever. We've had some good comedies and good actions, for good twists and turns, turns and twists.
lizzie: turns and indeed twists and something quite exciting happened to me the day before yesterday which I decided to save until um we were recording for a live response from you I've definitely pepped this up too much and you are not going to care um but I was driving down one of the parallel roads to mine recently and I saw the guy who plays Noah
simonthomas: my gosh. Oh my gosh.
simonthomas: I do care. That's fun.
lizzie: I know i do feel bad that I can't remember his name what's the actor's name
simonthomas: the smallest idea.
lizzie: and I'll just do a quick Google in case, you know, people want to find out.
simonthomas: Gosh, we need to, so seen, you've seen you've seen Joe, you've seen sorry, Noah. you've seen mos no sir noah
lizzie: Jack Downham. I've seen Jack Downham.
simonthomas: Jack Down, I've never heard that name before in life but um you're just beset by them I think you do need to like screech to the side and be like could you record a work on Tridingle on the way?
lizzie: i Yeah, it is tempting. I guess... some I was on my way somewhere, but next time maybe I will screech to a halt in a way that doesn't seem terrifying.
simonthomas: time yeah ah I mean he might not even remember he's in it he doesn't seem to do very much nowadays yeah
lizzie: He may have forgotten, but it was quite exciting for me. i was in a car with my friend who simply didn't care.
simonthomas: what's exciting for smooth her tu and indeed ah What's exciting for me is Lizzie, the day came, the the day long foretold, Charity had her baby.
lizzie: Hmm.
lizzie: I know. And we have been waiting for this for about three years, I think.
simonthomas: the world's longest pregnancy, and I think it did come in about eight and a half months or something, but it felt eternal.
lizzie: Truly.
lizzie: It really did. And I really enjoyed the kind of setup for how it happened with them not being able to get to the hospital and like not being able to tell you anyone it was happening in that, like, they really did make it obvious that nobody had their phones with them.
simonthomas: yes yeah yeah it's like great okay thanks for announcing this check-offs phone charger uh yeah and of course if nothing is simple for charity goes into labor in a broken down lift with with her husband and with the father of her baby
lizzie: It's like, well, my phone is charging behind the bar. Yeah.
lizzie: Thanks for announcing.
lizzie: Of course.
lizzie: Yep. And nobody who thinks the baby is theirs is present or indeed any medical professionals. So that was fun. um it was like, so yeah, that's true.
simonthomas: i guess ross I guess Ross knows the baby is his but yes no yeah yeah
lizzie: um yeah it was so classic soap wasn't it and I did enjoy the kind of nod to that when the others were all in the pub and they were like well I gave birth in this situation like well I had to give birth when I was in prison and I had to give birth like I love all these characters being like is it is it at all weird that these things happen to all of us
simonthomas: that was so fun as has anyone given birth in a normal sort of way not once
lizzie: surely not not once
simonthomas: Yeah, um I enjoyed that. ah i think my favorite small moment for this was when Charity was like groaning or something. Then Ross goes, what? And Charity says, what do you mean what?
simonthomas: It's like very clearly having contractions.
lizzie: I think we know.
simonthomas: ah This happens all amid the world's most depressing baby shower. Yeah. it's
lizzie: Yeah, like what was going on there?
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: Is there normally karaoke at a baby shower?
simonthomas: Is there normally karaoke that is entirely like songs that have the word baby in it? Like, we've got a bit a sunny engine.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: Yeah, I got you, babe. and Would you normally have Jimmy at your baby shower? These are all good questions.
lizzie: There were a lot of very random people there. And look, I'm obsessed with Cammie and Belle as a couple. But do we really think after one date it would be, obviously you should come to our family baby shower.
simonthomas: Of course.
lizzie: One date.
simonthomas: Yeah, and it did seem to be a baby shower that was arranged in the middle of the working day that everyone was able to attend.
lizzie: Look, that's just what happens in Emmerdale. Nobody ever sticks to their working hours.
simonthomas: ah
lizzie: And you know that.
simonthomas: yeah Yeah, everyone except for the father of the baby, I should say, of course.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: Which I suppose often fathers of the baby aren't at baby showers. They often are female adults.
lizzie: Yeah, I think baby showers are just female only, so it was quite unusual that anyone was there, but especially Liam.
simonthomas: I like they made some sort of nod to the fact that Sarah and Jacob were in their twenty s and might have actual friends by having like a cluster of extras were about Sarah's age just in the background, but she didn't seem to interact with them in any way.
lizzie: Well, she never has before.
simonthomas: Where would she have encountered them?
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: She's never she's never she's never left the village. he did it
lizzie: She's never not pumping breast milk, it would seem.
simonthomas: it What are they doing with that two-week-old breast milk before the baby was born? i assume tossing it, or they're freezing it. I don't know what's going on.
lizzie: going to say it's probably on ice.
simonthomas: On ice, on the rocks.
lizzie: Oh, milk on the rocks. Yeah.
simonthomas: um ah Yeah, of course, first of all, they break down on the way there in the middle of nowhere, which is also the road that everyone else breaks down on and the road that we have been down.
lizzie: yeah
simonthomas: say
lizzie: And the road there where Aaron and Robert have had many liaisons, also John and, yeah, plenty of proposals.
simonthomas: More than one proposal, Yeah,
lizzie: Like, they could have found the way.
simonthomas: yeah if you look around slightly to the left, there are I believe the farm, the band, we'll see those.
lizzie: yeah They were basically as lost as Bear was, i.e. on their own doorstep but unable to identify it.
simonthomas: but yes yeah had to have to glance out of the window or through the sackcloth that was obscuring the wall you'd have noted your own home and relatives um
lizzie: yeah
simonthomas: um mac was in a costume of a baby another thing that you don't often see here at a baby shower i think although someone's like oh i'm sorry this is really insensitive it's the day after your son's birthday like okay i guess but
lizzie: yet ah i like it would have maybe made more sense to me if Mac had remembered as in like yeah it would be insensitive if Mac seemed to take any interest in his child but doesn't seem to care
simonthomas: No, just in Fitz and in Inverse. Fitz and Bursts, yeah.
lizzie: some bursts are we saying that
simonthomas: Yeah, that's a great expression. um I did like a nod to the fact that Mac didn't love being trapped in small places because of the bunker, which people like in general have been, particularly Ross, but also more broadly, quite unsympathetic to the fact that he was held in a bunker for weeks, not that long ago.
lizzie: Yeah, nobody cares, including, I think, Charity. Like, as soon as he was out of the bunker, she was just like, cool, the bunker never happened.
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: And then he had to really spell it out to them.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: He was like, I'm feeling quite claustrophobic. And then almost immediately, everyone was being back to being like, Mac, why are you being so rubbish? You're not helping with this birth at all. And it's like he just told you he's got like PTSD.
simonthomas: yeah Yeah.
lizzie: Can we not? And then after the baby was born, he was saying Charity, like, sorry, I was so useless. And she was basically a bit like, yeah, you were.
simonthomas: You were trash, actually. Yeah. Whereas Ross stepped up, um she had obviously had catastrophic bleeding that we couldn't see this time slot. So I don't think we saw any of that, which I'm grateful.
lizzie: A nod to the bleed.
simonthomas: um And now to the bleed. um lady gaga's latest this album and i did i did uh think just actually stunning work all around from this year particularly as always michael power bringing the emotion when we didn't expect it a real kick in the in the uh let's say kidneys when he um when he handed over baby layla to jacob and sarah and just the look on his face and i mean in the in that room you might look at him and think why are you looking this sad he's not hiding it but
lizzie: and know.
simonthomas: But yeah, it's beautiful.
lizzie: Yeah, I think Michael Parr has been my standout for the last few weeks.
simonthomas: Very moving.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: He's been incredible. He's really doing this, like, he's trying to be all macho about it and being like, i don't want be part of this baby's life. It's so fine. But you can tell he's feeling things and he doesn't know what to do with it.
simonthomas: He's feeling things.
lizzie: I think, yeah. Well done, Mike Parr. We love you.
simonthomas: We love
lizzie: You're incredible. You're a ray of light. He's still also bringing a lot of humor with, like, funny nicknames people.
simonthomas: Yes.
lizzie: He's doing it all.
simonthomas: He's got the whole show on his shoulders. What Cammy is not holding up, he is holding up. The two of them between them are saving the show.
lizzie: yeah
simonthomas: I also thought Joe Warren Plant did amazing job when he first met the baby. And then when he was talking to Kerry about like, how is that he said, it's the happiest day of my life and looks so sad. And she was like, sometimes those are the hardest days.
simonthomas: So beautifully done. And um look, there's there's no real reason that Kerry and Joe pretend they're family to each other because it's so complicated, but it works. It works.
lizzie: But it is lovely. He needs a mother figure somewhere. And we all know that Dr. Todd is not doing that.
simonthomas: knew, nor indeed is the woman he grew up with and called mum, but you know, that's, she's just not around for this.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: I wonder if anyone's texting her like, Alicia, you've got like a grand a granddaughter now.
lizzie: Yeah, true.
simonthomas: She's like, okay, bye
lizzie: Send her a quick Skype in invite or something.
simonthomas: The last time she caught sight of her child was when Skype was all the rage. And they called her Layla, and you know I love Layla.
lizzie: I know. I miss Layla every day.
simonthomas: Yeah, she'd have been so
lizzie: Probably more than Jacob.
simonthomas: Oh my gosh, can imagine her on the phone to charity while she was in labour? would have been hilarious. would have been so good.
lizzie: It would have been so good. I know Bring back Roxy Shadihi, War Woman.
simonthomas: Yeah, we can we can find a way. we can find a way. She
lizzie: If Graham can come back from the dead, surely Layla can come back from the dead.
simonthomas: lay really still under the ice for quite a while, and then she came back.
lizzie: Yeah, exactly. She's learned a lot of skills.
simonthomas: Except she didn't go through. it Yeah. I mean, she does yoga. She can lie still in any number of contortions. so
lizzie: That's her thing. Yeah, so true.
simonthomas: That's literally what she's paid to do professionally. say yeah ah So, yeah, um I did like that Sarah acknowledged what nightmare she'd been throughout the whole thing to charity.
lizzie: She's just been in child's pose since then.
simonthomas: She was like, yeah, you were you were the worst.
lizzie: That was refreshing.
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: Yeah, and Charity was just but like, yeah, like I've never been so pumped full of vitamins. like It's nice that that's over. It's nice for us that it's over.
simonthomas: Isn't it? And, um, ah Charity's probably only got one or two more pregnancies left in her, so it's... Yeah, bless them. Mac is going to be godfather, apparently, say that's nice, in a way.
lizzie: That is sweet in a way until it comes out that it's not, you know, the surrogate child and the charity cheated on him to create it.
simonthomas: if
simonthomas: Yeah, I do think they sort of painted themselves into a corner of this storyline because it's going to destroy so many people and like, you so many marriages and like, who's going to, who's going to enjoy the baby?
lizzie: Yeah. And so many marriages.
simonthomas: Are they going to end up with some like weird, like pentagonal parenting where they just all pretend that they're the parents?
lizzie: I truly have no idea where they're going to go with it. um Something I do think will inevitably happen is what happens. It would seem with every storyline that the writers don't quite know how to draw it together is that Graham will just go off and like find something or do something and bring it back and everything will be okay.
simonthomas: Yeah, found another baby. this one.
lizzie: Yeah. Graham will do something mysterious off screen and the plot line will be solved.
simonthomas: ah Yeah, yeah that maybe that is his purpose. Like, to use maximum, don't you say that? um Yeah, just like solving all the problems off screen in a way that doesn't make sense if you think about it too hard.
lizzie: Yeah, he just brings together storylines that have hit a dead end and it's all fine.
simonthomas: We need that.
simonthomas: Because, yeah, I mean, I don't even know what I want to have a long time because I don't want Jacob and Sarah to have to give what give this baby, but I also can't stand Ross looking sad all the time.
lizzie: Yeah, I mean, i wouldn't be surprised if Ross just sort of moved in with them because that does seem to be the thing that happens in Emmerdale. Shared parenting.
simonthomas: Yeah, where do they live do they live? Do they live above the shop?
lizzie: Oh, don't they live with Eric?
simonthomas: Do they? don't know.
lizzie: Is that above the shop? I don't think it is. I think they live with Eric, maybe.
simonthomas: No, maybe they do. h Or do they live with charity? don't know.
lizzie: have literally no idea. Also, such
simonthomas: Someone one lives above the shop, but maybe it's empty at the moment.
lizzie: such a weird one that like under a year ago, Cammy was sleeping with Sarah and then he's at her baby shower.
simonthomas: That's true. Maybe the baby's his. Twist.
lizzie: ah
simonthomas: Twist. uh yeah is it he he seems to have forgotten all of that so that's fine
lizzie: Yeah, it's a lot.
simonthomas: um oh yeah another sort of i'm just looking at my notes another moment i enjoyed was when they were like mentioned how ross helped charity go first and jacob was just like ross it's like why is ross here it's like you know it's great it's great thing great point yeah
lizzie: Yeah, like why is Ross there? but and And to his credit, he didn't want to be there and he did put up quite a bit of a fight. So, you know, he was trying not to be involved.
simonthomas: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that was more convincing than some of the like, oh gosh, we're all here for it together moments that we have.
lizzie: Yeah,
simonthomas: um Something else I noted down, when Jacob had that lovely hug with Carrie, there was a huge sign behind saying, can you claim free prescriptions? Which did sort of take me out of the moment slightly.
lizzie: but
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: yeah quite true to life, I suppose, of the sort of thing that happens in a hospital. But yeah, you wonder whether they put those things up as like a, is that what the NHS hopes that Airmodel viewers will be taking on board in the back of their minds?
simonthomas: Maybe a SponCon, yeah.
lizzie: So yeah, exactly.
simonthomas: They've been sponsored so much by, like, Yorkshire Water filling up water bottles, they're now like, what else can we give you all for free?
lizzie: Yeah, I'm still just desperate for Yorkshire Water to round off the slurry thing.
simonthomas: Finally, please.
lizzie: Like, why can't Mac be exonerated for that?
simonthomas: Maybe when he notably leaves after all of this fallout, it'll be like a parting shot. I thought the rumours were that he was going to leave, like, a year ago, but clearly he's not gone.
lizzie: There's always rumors that people gonna leave. That's why I never believe them.
simonthomas: yeah fa and they're not going wax man are they they they love wax women women and womenly gay men oh ah dear um so yeah i when when do you think the the fallout will come do you think soon or you think it's going be dragged out
lizzie: I know, it's not fair. Women and gay men
lizzie: I guess it depends what Dr. Todd does with the information that she now knows, because i wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up that Jacob is like, no, I actually really do want to complain about you.
simonthomas: of course so she knows yes
lizzie: And so in revenge, she's like, that's not your child, you know.
simonthomas: Yeah, interesting. like I assume all the stuff they said about blood types is true.
lizzie: Yeah, I would have thought so.
simonthomas: I'm just going to take on faith. So it does suggest that medical doctor, student, whatever he is, Jacob, has not looked at his daughter's medical file in any way. Because surely he would also know about this.
simonthomas: about this
lizzie: Yeah, I guess he hasn't been working since, so he maybe wouldn't have access to the medical files unless he's, like, at the hospital working, but
simonthomas: Maybe...
simonthomas: they don't know how it works.
lizzie: I don't know i i haven't had a child, i suppose, and neither of you.
simonthomas: not No, so it's not. and I've never looked at the medical records of a child. um
lizzie: think that's a good thing.
simonthomas: And that's my alibi, if anyone's looking into that. name
lizzie: If anyone's sort trying to do an enhanced DBS on you.
simonthomas: i Don't worry, I've got one of them that renews every year. as long as i yeah
lizzie: Same. It's so liberating being on the update service, isn't it?
simonthomas: Oh, I know, it took me years to get on it. I'm so glad I finally did, because I hate filling out forms.
lizzie: It is the bane of my life. I think i had to find a DBS check in my filing system and I counted.
simonthomas: know
lizzie: and I've got 13.
simonthomas: i did The only reason I have one is because I do stewarding at church and sometimes youth... members do that, because obviously i don't otherwise go near children, because I don't want to. But um I did consider quitting that role just so I didn't have to fill out the form. But I did in the end fill out the form.
lizzie: Whereas I tend to end up running a kids camp approximately six times a year and every single organisation I volunteer with needs a different DBS. But no longer. I'm on the update service. This is the most boring thing we've ever talked about.
simonthomas: It's important stuff. Can you imagine it didn anyone Emmerdale who would pass a DBS check?
lizzie: um probably just Lydia.
simonthomas: Lidia, although she's probably been to prison, hasn't she? They normally have all been...
lizzie: Yeah, true.
simonthomas: Do you fail a DBS jack if you've been to prison?
lizzie: Gosh.
simonthomas: or
lizzie: No, I think it just comes up as like, like and if you haven't done anything, then your DBS check comes back with nothing on it.
simonthomas: me
lizzie: But the other I think it's just literally like, hey, there's all the stuff that you've done just to be aware of.
simonthomas: Just like an advisory on an MOT.
lizzie: And then it's up to the organisation to read it and be like, yeah, do we care about your advisories or not?
simonthomas: You know? Yeah. And if it's anything like an MOT, I don't care.
lizzie: Yeah, you're still roadworthy.
simonthomas: hey don't even glance at them. Yeah. um So, yes, I say Mac is going to be godfather. And it made me think, who would you ask to be godfather of a hypothetical child from within the Ammerdale cast?
lizzie: Oh, I think
simonthomas: Or characters, not cast.
lizzie: Cammie, because I love him.
simonthomas: Cammy... Yeah. Yeah.
lizzie: And because I think he would bring sort of like fun uncle energy, but that he would actually still be responsible at the end of the day.
simonthomas: Let's sketch out.
lizzie: Like, I think he would.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: example bring a child to like a bare knuckle fight like he did um but that he would like be fun and be playful and like be cute with kids
simonthomas: Yeah. mean, obviously, partly I'd love it to be someone who is a Christian if he's a godfather, but they're few and far between. and I don't want Charles or Claudette to be a godparent to my child.
lizzie: yeah you yeah you do want them to be praying for the child but who would that be to be fair laurel
simonthomas: but But...
simonthomas: Laurel is sometimes a Christian. So she she'd be on my list.
lizzie: She dips in and out.
simonthomas: She dips in and out, ah much like a baptism. um And I think that i ah my thought was, um I've now forgotten who I was going to do.
simonthomas: Carrie. I thought Carrie, because she is chaotic, but she's also like very maternal and caring.
lizzie: oh Aww.
simonthomas: And yeah, she'd definitely have your back in ah in any situation, right or wrong.
lizzie: Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. And maybe that's why people ask me to be godmother to their children. They're like, Chaotic, but caring.
simonthomas: She's scrappy.
lizzie: She's scrappy, but she'd have your back in a fight.
simonthomas: And of course, famously, I've got six godchildren. um and that's because of my fighting prowess, I assume.
lizzie: Yeah. Chaos. ah
lizzie: but a
simonthomas: Gosh, we've got a lot to get through, so maybe we should keep going. um What do you want to talk about next?
lizzie: Why don't we talk about Dawn and Jo and everything that's going on there?
simonthomas: Don and Joe. um I'd like to say well done to us for predicting that they would have a wedding, but they wouldn't get married because I can see it's going towards she's brought the wedding forward and she's clearly going to like dump him at the altar.
lizzie: Yeah, why? oh is she going to be like, I'm not going to marry you because you're a horrible man in front of everybody?
simonthomas: That's my thinking.
lizzie: Wow.
simonthomas: That's my thinking. i like Why else would you bring it forward?
lizzie: Yeah, well that was, I literally wrote in my notes, why does she want to bring the wedding closer? But that does make sense. Yeah.
simonthomas: yeah Or she wants to get half of everything he owns when she instantly divorces him. but
lizzie: That was something I was wondering about. Maybe it's that because she does have to care for the child.
simonthomas: That's true, because I thought at first that she was lying about the child, but it does seem like she genuinely is pregnant.
lizzie: I think it's real and I cannot believe that Jo told the other children. That's so bad.
simonthomas: Well, it was so bad. And then she was like, just go and tell, and she told Lucas or whatever, just go and tell Clemmie the news. She wasn't even going to tell Clemmie herself.
lizzie: What?
simonthomas: just Just go tell Clemmie that she's having a big brother or sister. I mean, to be fair, Clemmie getting a new brother or sister is like a daily occurrence for She's like...
lizzie: That's so bad.
lizzie: Yeah, and I was thinking, like, given that they never seem to remember that Evan exists, I don't think it'll make that much difference to them having yet another child because babies just get hidden away in cupboards, it would seem.
simonthomas: ma
lizzie: um But i yeah, the delivery of news of a new sibling should not just be done by, like, your little brother running into her being like, by the way.
simonthomas: yeah I know something you don't know.
lizzie: exactly. so not okay. And what if he just never did and they didn't even know? Never actually got round to passing that news on.
simonthomas: it's like it's only when they're stuck in a lift later that she realized that she's having a baby but um yeah so the development is that dawn finally like it took a lot for her to be like joseph addy like stealing a kidney didn't do it like all these other things
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: um and i'm i'm glad that robert seems to have got off relatively scot-free from moira and a everyone else even kane maybe kane doesn't know about robert's involvement but um but yeah they seem for once they've actually gone to the root of the problem unlike when everyone hated kim when it was clearly joe but you know
lizzie: That's true.
lizzie: Yeah. Yeah, I think I just don't really know what's going to happen next in terms of surely Robert would be scheming behind the scenes to like make things happen in a way that he's not at the moment.
lizzie: Like...
simonthomas: And Joe has put the rent up after a week, whatever it was.
lizzie: Yeah, what is going on there?
simonthomas: Yeah. And I think we have new renter's rights coming in just now, haven't we?
lizzie: um
simonthomas: So is he allowed to do it? I don't
lizzie: Yeah, I think he's breaking the law, but that is something he does quite a lot, so.
simonthomas: Yeah, and the police don't care. Can you imagine if they'd actually acted on that?
simonthomas: um I did enjoy joe suggesting that he was going to quote look into morning sickness in that scene like what does that mean he's like don't worry guy ask I'll throw some money at the problem no more morning sickness
lizzie: What, does he think he's going to solve it
lizzie: Yeah, don't worry. I'll buy you out of it, if that's okay. Okay.
simonthomas: yeah I feel a bit like that but you know if anyone can you're welcome ladies Joe's gonna get one done
lizzie: ah Thank goodness, women's health is just solved.
simonthomas: yeah i mean it's gonna devastate the vitamin business that sarah was heavily investing in but big follic is done but yeah so i'm quite excited to see where this goes i love a little team up so i like that moira and um
lizzie: yeah who's going to be buying folic acid now? Nobody, presumably.
lizzie: Big F is over.
simonthomas: and Dorna teaming up against him. And, yeah, I assume if he's not leaving, he'll come back from it.
lizzie: yeah that's cute.
simonthomas: But, you know, I mean, but yeah I wish they just made him like more of a morally gray character than just like pure evil.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: But, I mean, definitely.
lizzie: Yeah, because I think for a while we did get that nice, like, morally gray middle ground of like, he had redeemable features, but he was also nasty. Whereas, yeah, they've definitely just gone the whole hog on making him a nasty piece of work, haven't they?
simonthomas: yeah yeah and when he's like i swear in your life that i didn't do this and and all that sort of things like it was really over the top it was like joe come on why are you doing this
lizzie: know.
lizzie: But maybe that's what and Dawn needed to finally realize, like, if you're willing to swear on my life, something that I know isn't true, it's a no from me.
simonthomas: a
simonthomas: yeah she should have said it was sweet billy maybe
lizzie: i know, well, maybe she'll be back to him now.
simonthomas: she will if she can find him i was trying to think where he lives do we know where he lives
lizzie: No, and I think that's because he's barely in Emmerdale anymore, which I think is such a shame. He's such a good normal character.
simonthomas: It really is. And, you know.
simonthomas: Yeah, if you know ah what Billy's up to, dinglealltheway.pod at gmail.com. Do let us. He keeps abreast of his movements.
lizzie: Yeah, I would love to have some sort of insight into well
simonthomas: At least he's got transferable skills from working at the haulage firm. So maybe the actor is also doing some light haulage.
lizzie: Maybe he's just having a normal life like nobody else in Emmerdale is. of like He just goes to work, goes to the gym, cooks himself a dinner and sees his kids sometimes. like That would be so legit.
simonthomas: Yeah. it's true just haven't got few
lizzie: Yeah, just enjoying being a human being in a way that the others in the village can't seem to.
simonthomas: must be so restful for the children to go to his and just like have a bit of peace you know um so what else so so much else we've got we had ah we had another very special episode of
lizzie: So true.
lizzie: was so special. It was so special that I forgot to watch it until this morning because I accidentally missed the Cain and Moira episode from a couple of days ago. And then you texted me like, I'm trying to watch this, but it's really boring.
simonthomas: if
lizzie: And i was like, well what? What are you talking about?
simonthomas: if
lizzie: There's a whole episode about Cain and Moira having sex.
simonthomas: yeah if we learned one thing in this episode is that moira flipping loves she who loves it
lizzie: can She can't cope without it. I don't know. I think it is a good thing that they are covering that as a topic and that like that is a good conversation for them to be having in a marriage.
simonthomas: it's a good thing to address i grant you
lizzie: I think I just do find it quite tedious seeing Cain realise basically on a weekly basis that it's quite good to talk about your feelings and then completely forget again.
simonthomas: it's
lizzie: And you're like, we do this all the time.
simonthomas: so frustrating this is because basically this this episode did not move the storyline on at all it just did exactly what kane learned in that one form of liam like two weeks ago the charity and charity yeah yeah
lizzie: Yeah, and what Cain learned in the one time with charity. Yeah, you're just like every time that Cain has a conversation, he realizes, oh, maybe I should share my emotions more. And then he never learns.
simonthomas: And then he does not learn. ah
lizzie: But if actually real life, maybe.
simonthomas: and and
lizzie: Like it does take a long time for people to change, but it's tedious.
simonthomas: Well, to men are stubborn.
lizzie: Normally we don't have to watch it.
simonthomas: Normally you don't to watch it And I do think the special episodes are just a way of saving money on cast, is my theory.
lizzie: That's why we have so many of them and so few female cast members because they keep axing them.
simonthomas: So many...
simonthomas: And I will say, yeah, think it's great to talk about later middle-aged people and the fact that they still enjoy sex too but do we necessarily want to have that conversation with the brother so with the sister of one of the people involved where more is just talking to Cain's sister and being like I flipping love sex with your brother it's like that's it's just it's quite upsetting and then Liam's simply like I know what it's like Liam's like I know what it's like to be with a wild woman talking about Cain's sister to him it's like why we
lizzie: Yeah, true. I hadn't thought about that. I would find that very difficult.
lizzie: I thought he specifically was like, oh no, not Chaz, someone else.
simonthomas: is that Is that better? I don't know.
lizzie: I don't know. yeah
simonthomas: Look, we know it's Bernice. Obviously, we know it's Bernice. But yeah, it was it's very, like, Maury didn't flinch and being like, your brother knows what's up.
lizzie: It was just a lot all round, but maybe we're both prudes.
simonthomas: It was a lot.
simonthomas: Maybe we are. the thing i The two things I most enjoyed about the episode were, one, that Moira was visibly sickened at the idea of wearing Chaz's cast-off clothes. to bags And then, two, there was, for some reason, a cuddly cat with like a plastic cone around its neck on the table.
simonthomas: like some like Maybe Eve has been like taking that cuddly cat to the vet, to fake vet.
lizzie: Oh.
lizzie: I completely missed that. I think um I was in the thick of making some beaded fish.
simonthomas: Yeah. Yeah.
simonthomas: I'm sorry to say it's not the first I've heard of those. but yeah because they wasn Because had you looked up, it was very dominant on screen and for quite a lot of that conversation.
lizzie: And it may have been a case of me sort of seeing Emmerdale more as a podcast than a visual medium.
lizzie: That's quite sweet, though, if she's like playing vets because of Paddy.
simonthomas: Yeah, because of their dad.
lizzie: I like that. Yeah, that is nice.
simonthomas: It was nice. It felt like something that maybe should have been explained, but also why not?
lizzie: Maybe it was a deleted scene.
simonthomas: Same.
lizzie: Just
simonthomas: Maybe it was. Yeah.
lizzie: unexplained cat.
simonthomas: So yeah, we went through all of that. came Ken and Liam had another talk. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
lizzie: Yeah, I think Liam is just a tough watch. Like when he was trying to fix that chair and being like, you're going to need this wood glue soon. And you're like, don't say that.
simonthomas: Now also, if that's your medical advice, I'm truly concerned about all your patients. Just shove some glue down there.
lizzie: just Does Liam have a DBS check?
simonthomas: Look, the fact that he hasn't been struck off is... the wrong sort of medical miracle but um yeah i'm sure that come at some point or maybe he's just never actually qualified just sort of wandered in and they're like oh you seem middle class say probably go for your life yeah see that's true yeah
lizzie: Yeah, you're so right.
lizzie: You're wearing a shirt, so yeah, it's fine. Which is essentially what Monty told us about how easy it is to get into a hospital. Like, if you're wearing chinos, probably just pass as a doctor and it be okay.
simonthomas: do what you like um Lydia and Moira had like a short-lived feud that was maybe for three minutes
lizzie: I know, and that made me quite sad. i didn't like that.
simonthomas: No. And in fact, I'll of have character for Lydia as well.
lizzie: Yeah, it felt very out of character for Lydia. I feel like Lydia, sadly, is just becoming more and more of a plot device.
simonthomas: And she does exclusively cook rabbit stew. Like, every time they ask what she's cooking.
lizzie: Why is she so obsessed with rabbit stew?
simonthomas: And I get it. some people Sometimes people eat rabbit stew, but not for every meal every day, surely. I'm
lizzie: Yeah, it's like the guy who ate fish in ice cake.
simonthomas: obsessed with fish. But... um
lizzie: but it's just like, I got fish on the brain. um Yeah, like every single meal is rabbit stew.
simonthomas: yeah yeah and she also was at one point seemed to be developing a crippling addiction to energy drinks for that again was maybe short-lived
lizzie: Yeah, true. And then didn't she like crochet herself senseless because she was up all night or something?
simonthomas: good a good Oh dear. Yeah. And that, oh every time we see that horrible sign for Dingle Farm with like this leading against some corrugated iron, it's like that poor woman has come like unjustifiably arrested.
lizzie: I know.
simonthomas: And they're like, don't worry that whilst you're in prison, we've lost your farm because we've got you a new farm. It's just like, what, like, what am i looking at? It's just some scrap metal.
lizzie: And the fact that that is meant, the fact that that's meant to be Sam's handwriting is kind of just beyond belief. And actually, you know, there was that note that Isaac had written, like, can I have special chips for tea?
lizzie: I thought that Sam had written that because I was like, wow, I guess that's just like the way that they are presenting Sam as a person.
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: person And that's kind of problematic. It was so obviously an adult trying to do child handwriting. that I was like, that must have been Sam. Yeah.
simonthomas: And it always is. It's like, why don't just ask the child to write it? Why do you need an adult adult in the art department to write this?
lizzie: Yeah. Exactly. It's quite troubling. Oh, do you think when we go on the Emmerdale site tour this time, we're just going to be like tearing it apart and being like, you should do this differently. Have you ever considered like,
simonthomas: We love Emmerdale. That's the main thing, guys.
lizzie: we love Emmerdale, but have you considered doing a lot of things quite differently?
simonthomas: Do
lizzie: Cause we know best.
simonthomas: do you think we'll get to see that farm? Like the Dingle farm?
lizzie: Oh, maybe. We'll probably get to see, like, Zach's grave. Although, no, we didn't go up to Wishing Well Cottage last time, did we?
simonthomas: No, we didn't, did we?
lizzie: But it was sort of, like, pointed at.
simonthomas: No.
simonthomas: Yeah. I really can't work out where they where the funding is coming from or how this is raising money.
lizzie: Maybe we'd be allowed to go off-paste.
lizzie: For the farm.
simonthomas: or just like how the farm is like an income to them at the moment. Because surely it isn't.
lizzie: because they don't appear to have any herds, and every time they are thinking about it, Moira just goes off to help on the other farm.
simonthomas: Yeah, and I like that she's... yeah i mean, she didn't seem to any farming when she was there. She was always just sending other people to do it. But it's nice that she's... a
lizzie: As soon as she's gone, she's really into it.
simonthomas: getting involved now she yeah she had she had that scene where she went back to look at it and robert found her and presumably kyle was on the stairs or something but um what found weirdest was like they put the new photos up and i think it was i think it must be in victoria or maybe it was bell i can't remember now it was a photo on the fridge where as far as i could tell she was like cosplaying myra hindley and they were just like what's what's the context here
lizzie: so dark.
simonthomas: yeah well and then there was a fire at the barn that was ah apparently caused because someone thinks he's human trafficker and i thought that was going to be like a cover for something and we'd find out it was joe who'd done it or something but it was just like oh no someone's angry that moira got released from human trafficking charges so they just set fire to a barn and it's like okay
lizzie: Yeah, that is tricky.
lizzie: Yeah, I too thought that was going to go somewhere, but I guess we're just meant to believe it was an an anonymous hate crime and the police don't care. Were the police even told?
simonthomas: well, why would you at this point? They'll probably just arrest Bear for it.
lizzie: Yeah. It is quite confusing. um
simonthomas: Oh, I can't believe what Bear is having to go through.
lizzie: ah Yeah. what
simonthomas: whether like we we found out evidence that there was a bank account. Therefore, even though you're clearly a vulnerable old man who was terribly mistreated, we think probably you were in on it.
lizzie: Yeah, I just think, I know we say this every episode, but this is such another example of how Emmerdale like to try and do like a spotlight on a genuinely terrible issue, i.e.
lizzie: human trafficking, modern day workplace bullying, but then the way they do it, it just spirals out of control and becomes completely unbelievable.
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: Like this would never have happened.
simonthomas: no like not a single bit of it and also the big solution that obviously graham was involved in when they find simo which i assume is sort of a simon and maybe something i should consider for myself and and theyome is i do have one friend calls me simo actually but um i don't know what that is but yes
lizzie: It's not raising awareness anymore.
lizzie: Simo Thomas.
lizzie: Like Flymo.
lizzie: lord i
simonthomas: oh, okay, can we get it? She's got a lawn.
lizzie: Thank you.
simonthomas: Yeah, ah yeah and they think they seem to think him just going up and being like, yeah, no, what you said is true is like really compelling new evidence in a way that I don't fully understand because surely, like he could lie.
simonthomas: could also be in on it.
lizzie: Yeah, I did think like the strength of one witness who was a relative stranger so two days ago, and we don't really know what he's actually going to say when he gets up to the stand, and he's maybe been blackmailed by Graham to do it.
simonthomas: Yes.
lizzie: I'm not sure if it's going to completely change the case, but also I'm pretty sure it will because this is Emmerdale.
simonthomas: Because that seems to be the way they're framing it, yeah.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: um And Burbing, like, I did horrible things to him. It's like, okay, do we know what he's going to say?
lizzie: Yeah. Yeah.
simonthomas: her Yeah.
lizzie: Yeah, he could just get up to his stand and be like, Bear was awful and he was Ray's right hand man.
simonthomas: Yeah,
simonthomas: it's true. And when Paddy's like, he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail, it's like, he might do that before the court date happens at this point, and he seems to be teetering. Yeah.
lizzie: He is on the edge. Yeah, I did find it quite sweet the way that Paddy was like just sorting out all of his affairs and being like, everybody needs to like know what to do when I'm gone in a way that like, Basically, everybody in Emmerdale has at some point thought they were about to go to prison and nobody has thought to get their finances in order.
simonthomas: No one else prepares.
lizzie: so that was nice to see.
simonthomas: Although I did think it was quite patronising when he was like giving lists of what's one of the vet to Rona and Vanessa, who both worked there for like 10 years. It's like, they do know this already, Paddy, surely.
lizzie: Yeah, that did feel a little bit mansplaining, unfortunately.
simonthomas: He's like, do you know what an animal is I'm going to write it down.
lizzie: Animal.
simonthomas: who
lizzie: um Something about that final sort of night before the court date, though, was I just I can see that. it was maybe sweet that Mandy organized for everybody to come over. But it was just a huge sort of trampling over his boundaries of him being like, actually, it's my final night at home before I maybe go to prison for the rest of my life. I'd just like it to like be a quiet one, spend it with you and Dylan. And then she was like, actually, I'm going to have your whole family over.
simonthomas: yeah it's like I'm gonna disregard that um if that's okay and then day or two before that when he was like reminiscing about Eve can't remember it was with Mandy or with Chaz but he was just like in paroxysms all after about Eve being genuinely terrified of giraffes and it's like this sounds like a traumatic experience for her why are you finding it so funny
lizzie: If that's okay with you.
lizzie: yeah he like it was also kind of unhinged because he was like almost unable to finish the story because he was laughing so much and then literally and then like five seconds later he was like completely incensed because um of Mandy being like oh maybe we don't have to do this and panic and stay in prison and like
simonthomas: he seemed hysterical
lizzie: It was so one extreme to the other, like he was hysterically laughing and then hysterically shouting, being like, I want to be anywhere but around you. And you're like, oh, this is a whirlwind. This is a lot take in.
simonthomas: He's very hormonal. He's got a lot going on.
lizzie: Yeah, he's going through a lot.
simonthomas: um Speaking of all this, like, evidence and stuff, who saved the day? it was Cammie.
lizzie: It's always Cammy and nobody ever cares.
simonthomas: Who's Cammie? um yeah I forget the exact details of how he saved the day. who like, learned about a storage locker or something. Is that right?
lizzie: um Yeah, didn't he like run a check on some registration plates and that got them to the right storage locker or something? I ah don't know, but it was Cammie and nobody thanked him.
simonthomas: Oh, that's right. no detect him I enjoyed how much he was bringing himself up. We just kept being like, this is all because of me. I'm great.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: was like, yeah, you are great, Cammie. Well done.
lizzie: I'm spending quite a lot of time at the moment thinking about how much fun it would be if he's the person that we meet on the star tour.
simonthomas: Oh, we mustn't get our hope up too much, but it would be so...
lizzie: Maybe I'll make him a beaded fish.
simonthomas: I think he'd find it very hard to know what to do with that. But...
lizzie: I know, so would I.
simonthomas: Imagine if you just go through like, firstly, I'd like to present you with this.
lizzie: they are key rings, so I think they'd be useful, but I just don't know if I want to become the type of like soap fan who makes gifts for the actors. That seems like a bridge too far for me.
simonthomas: It is a lot, isn't it? And maybe we need to save that for like our next tour to the NBL set, because I assume we're going to keep going every couple of years for the rest of our lives.
lizzie: Surely.
simonthomas: bret um
lizzie: Surely.
simonthomas: I guess also when they give guests, they're often in some way relevant, which I feel like could be a Bina Fish might not be.
lizzie: It might be though.
simonthomas: Unless you like do it as him, you're like, I'm recreating cast members in Bina Fish.
lizzie: oh that sounds awful.
simonthomas: ah I honestly don't know where your lines are, and I can't pretend to understand.
lizzie: Okay. I'm just, all I'm hearing is that you definitely don't want me to make you a beaded fish, Kiering.
simonthomas: I would love a beaded fish skiering, you know that.
lizzie: That's a shame. You've been nothing but anti the beaded fish since we started this call.
simonthomas: That's not true. I've said repeatedly, maybe it was before the call, I thought they were cute. say
lizzie: you You said you didn't know why i was doing them.
simonthomas: That's something I'm like, hey, stand by. But that's...
lizzie: I already told you it's a cry for help.
simonthomas: it
lizzie: That's why I'm doing them.
simonthomas: Yeah, fine. bring the I mean, I think it'd be weird to customise them for Cammy since we've got no reason to believe he'll be the person there. think that i hope but
lizzie: Well, I could just make a sort gender neutral one and give it to whoever we meet.
lizzie: Let's see how we feel.
simonthomas: You could bring loads. You could hand them out. You could put our web address on that.
lizzie: I've given to everyone on our tour group.
simonthomas: We have a web address. We could put them all the way on them. Can you do that in Beans?
lizzie: It'll weave a QR code into its body. ah
simonthomas: should we Should we at the very least bring business cards?
lizzie: Yeah, maybe. i don't know
simonthomas: Yeah, or macarons.
lizzie: It's worth a try.
simonthomas: One of the two, but um yeah. Great. um So for some reason, Belle and Cammy are back on and it feels so weird.
simonthomas: like They had that storyline that they just decided to postpone and they've just picked up now and it's great. I love i love that they're back together but it didn't make any sense why they broke up. it didn't make any sense why they're together but let's just forget all of that and just get with it, I guess.
lizzie: Yeah, apparently they had no spark and now they do have a spark, which I guess maybe it would happen in real life.
simonthomas: Another all-sparkled day.
lizzie: But it does seem quite clearly that the writers were like, actually, we don't have space in the schedule right now for this to happen, but we'll do it in a year, right?
simonthomas: Yeah, it's that great find. Lewis and Vinny are obviously very invested in it. We haven't seen much of them since they got together. That seems to be the end of their storyline. Okay,
lizzie: Yeah, but I did see Lewis posting on social media recently that he's having he's got a storyline coming up. So presumably it will be maybe to do with, oh my word, I've forgotten the name of that guy,
simonthomas: I have...
lizzie: have I think that maybe Kev's coming back and we'll presumably see more of Vinny because Lewis will be on screen a bit more.
simonthomas: That's true, and Vinny can empathise with finding out who your dad is at a later date.
lizzie: Yeah, so true.
simonthomas: um Yeah, Cammy and Belle go on their dates during the working day, as usual, and indeed go to give blood, which, ah you know, the most hygienic place to give blood is in a pub.
simonthomas: so
lizzie: Oh yeah, absolutely.
simonthomas: yeah Also, the day before when they were inviting people to this, there was a terrifying poster up saying, give blood today for an event that was not happening that day. it was quite confusing.
lizzie: Give blood today brackets if you read this poster tomorrow.
simonthomas: yeah Yeah. um And like, I've never given blood because I'm very squeamish and I recognize that makes me a better person. I wish I were the sort of person who could give blood, but but I would not do it in a pub.
simonthomas: It's so bizarre. There's literally a doctor's across.
lizzie: Yeah, it doesn't seem right, does it? And I don't think that makes you a bad person.
simonthomas: thank you for saying that. I offset my guilt about it by being an organ donor, but can do what they like when I'm dead and gone.
lizzie: That's nice.
simonthomas: Take what you want.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: Have a real rummage.
lizzie: Or maybe alive if you come into contact with Joe Tate.
simonthomas: Yeah. It's true. haven't consented to that. I want to make that very clear on on the record. fit
lizzie: Neither did Caleb.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: um I have a blood story, which is not squeamish related, i promise.
simonthomas: Oh, gosh. Okay, great.
lizzie: um But one of my friends, Jenny, was recently like went to the doctor because she was just really tired all the time. And they did a blood test and they were like, wow, you're very, very, very anemic.
simonthomas: Hmm.
lizzie: And apparently like the levels of iron in your blood or like ferritin meant to be between 40 and 100. And like if it's below 40, you're anemic.
lizzie: If it's below something like 30, they're like incredibly worried about you. hers was on two i know and theyre like so like how how are you in yourself and she was like yeah like I guess I do fall asleep if I sit still for more than like 10 minutes but I thought that was just like life in your 30s and they were like that is not life in your 30s so yeah she's just like doing all she can to get more iron in her body
simonthomas: What? Oh my gosh. How are you going through the day?
simonthomas: goodness. Sure.
lizzie: And then on the other side of the story, we've got in my family, um there's like a genetic condition called hemochromatosis, which is the opposite of anemia where your body retains too much iron.
simonthomas: my goodness sure
lizzie: And on the same scale where you're meant to be between 40 and 100, my uncle was once on 900.
simonthomas: Oh my goodness.
lizzie: I know, isn't that wild that you can be so different? And I'm like, is there a world in which my uncle could just give Jenny some blood?
simonthomas: So much iron or not.
simonthomas: I guess. Is he still with us?
lizzie: He is still with us, yeah.
simonthomas: There we go. We'll get Jacob on it. Just siphon between the two.
lizzie: Yeah, so could be quite cute.
simonthomas: if I told you my iron blood story? i can't remember.
lizzie: No?
simonthomas: Years ago, i went, sorry, this is so irrelevant to Emmerdale, but um every now and then I mention Emmerdale characters, so it feels more like it's relevant to the podcast.
lizzie: That's nice.
simonthomas: um I went to get some various blood tests because I thought I was diabetic at one point because you classic me. And I ah i wasn't. um And the receptionist phoned later to say, like, can you come in to talk about your abnormal iron levels?
simonthomas: is like, okay, fine, yeah.
lizzie: Oh.
simonthomas: So I went in assuming that they'd say like I was anemic. And they said to me like, oh, your iron is a bit high. And because I'd self-diagnosed with low iron, I was taking iron supplements. So was just like, it just seemed like the sort of thing I would be. But they were like, you don't need supplements, to stop taking them.
simonthomas: i
lizzie: Please stop putting more iron in your body.
simonthomas: And I stopped my iron return to normal. So that's but that's a lesson to us all is don't don't just medicate yourself on the basis of nothing.
lizzie: that's good.
lizzie: Yeah, that is a good life lesson, actually. Maybe we should have a live lesson life lesson from each um episode.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: This one is don't give yourself more iron than you need.
simonthomas: That's mine, yeah. um if Please, or anything. um Yeah, well, Godspeed to your uncle and to Jenny. What a lot going on iron-wise.
lizzie: Yeah, exactly. It's just a lot happening, yeah.
simonthomas: Um, speaking of health, like I thought Lydia referred to Cain being very poorly, which I guess is true, but it feels like maybe not far enough for terrible cancer. Like I feel like very poorly as for like needed stay or sick because you're feeling a bit, yeah, a bit under the weather.
lizzie: Fever.
simonthomas: but
lizzie: Yeah, I think poorly is one of those words that like people use for a variety of things when to me it just means that you've got the sniffles.
simonthomas: Who was I? Oh, this was someone that,
lizzie: It's very poorly.
simonthomas: I was wondering other day, and I can't remember who it was. um Oh, yes, my friend's sister's boyfriend. So he's German, and so he's not familiar necessarily with all of English idioms. And I referred to someone being under the weather, and he hadn't come across that before.
simonthomas: And he was like, why are all British expressions about the weather? And I was like, great it's a great question.
lizzie: but So true. So true.
simonthomas: um Apparently, there's a family group text for arranging to go and see Cain. So there is that Dingle group text we wondered about.
lizzie: Yeah, like absolutely desperate to get insight into some group chats that are in in Emmerdale. Like, can they please just do a bit of that? Like even just on the social media, that'd be great.
simonthomas: Yeah. And that was a thing that lots of people were getting into, like Neighbours certainly did it maybe like early to mid 2000s. They'd set up loads of Twitter accounts for their characters and they'd like talk to each other.
simonthomas: um And I don't think it ever got enough engagement for people to keep going.
lizzie: So good.
simonthomas: But it was a nice, nice time for a social media intern, I suppose.
lizzie: Yeah, like I would do that. I would put that up on our account if I had more, you know, time. That would be something I would be into.
simonthomas: i think I think we should overcommit given the yeah stagnant state of our current social media presence.
lizzie: I know. And I do love to overcommit and underdeliver.
simonthomas: Do you remember when we started this podcast and you were like, we should do it every single week?
lizzie: It's my brand.
simonthomas: And I was like, Lizzie, just don't think we can do that.
lizzie: know.
simonthomas: And I was like, we barely do what we say we'll do.
lizzie: Thank you.
lizzie: I know. It is tragic, isn't it? I'm so sorry. Sorry that I'm the person that you have to do this with.
simonthomas: ah well, I'm going away for once and in May slash June, so maybe I'll be the problem for once. Maybe I've got something going on in my life, actually.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: So it would be a real fresh wind.
lizzie: That would be lovely for both of us.
lizzie: Yeah, exactly.
simonthomas: I didn't, yeah. um I think I'm down. Oh, no, i guess I'm not down to Therese because we should talk a bit about the workplace bullying story. Which I'm actually...
lizzie: Oh, I don't have loads to say, but
simonthomas: i I know it's getting, I see on Reddit, like people are a bit bored of it. I'm really appreciating the story. I think it's still quite interesting. um And I think, like, it's hard to know what her, MO is other than just being evil I guess we still don't know but um i't I don't think Jacob's doing good job in it I think she she's an interesting villain in that she isn't just like evil all the time she seems to have bit of nuance to her um I was interested by the HR lady he gave the complaint to who seemed very bored by the whole thing but
lizzie: Yeah, but then the next day was like, I'm so grateful that you've finally done this because we are we have been trying to take her down for a while. i'm like, well, you didn't give much away yesterday, did you?
simonthomas: No.
lizzie: Yeah.
simonthomas: And the fact that he's withdrawn the complaint is like, oh, well, over my day. So...
lizzie: Oh, well, that's life. Yeah, I think I'm kind of with you in that, like, it is an interesting storyline and I'm not bored with it yet. But I think I do just find it frustrating when, like, they're trying to bring a proper issue to light and give it exposure. and then they just make it, like, wild in terms of, like,
lizzie: I don't think workplace bullying normally involves like manipulating the birth mother of your surrogate child or moving to the same village as you and then complaining that you're stalking them.
simonthomas: Not normally, yeah.
lizzie: You're like, there's just, they've made it too much for it to be like,
simonthomas: Yeah, that was a weird moment, which was like, he's in my space. It's like your space, the pub. Like, what are you talking about?
lizzie: yeah, like the village that you moved to where he already lived. And I wondered,
simonthomas: Where he's lived for like 15 years.
lizzie: I wondered whether that was like quite a good opportunity for Manpreet and Vanessa to see that she is being a little bit like OTT with it. And like, cause they, I couldn't tell whether they were sort of being a bit like you weirdo, like that's not true.
lizzie: I don't
simonthomas: Yeah, and when she's also like, he's got a crush on me. It's like, you're you know, she's a very pretty woman, but she's also like 30 years older than him. And like he's like just recently got married. like i don't know I don't know if he's necessarily going to be like straying with her, but...
lizzie: Yeah, I don't think so. But it does seem inevitable that she's going to get together with Vanessa soon on their darts team.
simonthomas: Yes. Oh my gosh. It did seem quite culturally insensitive that the darts team is entirely made up of gay women, as far as I can tell. It's like, what are gay women like? Darts. Yeah.
lizzie: Yeah, so true. I hadn't even spotted that. um And Bernadette. No, Claudette. I always do that.
simonthomas: We love to call her Venda. And Manpreet seems to be hovering around peripheries. And then Nicola got involved, which I enjoyed. And
lizzie: And that was nice. I mean, didn't Jimmy sort try to? Oh, no, it was Bob.
simonthomas: and they're like, absolutely not. You're not a woman.
lizzie: thing is you're actually not a lesbian sorry
simonthomas: He's like, yeah. And I hope this is okay to say, but I think Nicola gives bisexual energy. and i wish I went with that.
lizzie: wish her all the best but she is so annoyed with him all the time but also so deeply loves him i think it's really sweet
simonthomas: Look, frankly, at this point, I think she would happily have relationship with anyone who is not Jimmy. So she's just like, she's not fussy.
simonthomas: Yeah, i love i I would be devastated if they ever broke up permanently, and I'm sure they won't at this point. I love them so much together, but I also love how she seems to be sickened by the very thought of him.
lizzie: It is cute, isn't it?
simonthomas: and I will say that when Jacob went to make this complaint, it was quite flimsy, because I think he has got good grounds, but in the actual complaint he made, he was just like, I'm quite tired. It's like, okay.
lizzie: I was thinking, I was thinking like surely if he had brought that like amount of paperwork to be like, I'm presenting my case for workplace bullying, there would have been something else in that paperwork other than like, I just feel a bit targeted and sad.
lizzie: Whereas like he has got examples of specific incidents that have happened and specific things that she said, and he didn't appear to say any of them.
simonthomas: yeah
simonthomas: no I guess he was overwhelmed and he was missing his own child's birth I guess but yeah but everyone missed it except for Mac and Ross so and obviously my favourite part of it was Ross teaming up with Jacob and yeah
lizzie: True, which was a bit gutting.
simonthomas: apparently has got a thirst for workplace justice that I was not aware of because I think you know anyone who works at the garage has got a good case for Cain being a workplace bully.
lizzie: yeah
lizzie: Oh yeah, so Drew, maybe he's just like living vicariously through this HR complaint. Oh, there's a football rolling down my road, but no one's claiming it.
simonthomas: well
lizzie: fun
simonthomas: um Yeah, i'm actually i've only got two strays left so we've really ratted through everything I had.
lizzie: Really, I've got, a yeah, I've only got a couple as well. Should I give one of mine?
simonthomas: Please, yeah.
lizzie: um There's been mention of mayor
simonthomas: Yes.
lizzie: And I don't know whether we've said this out loud or if I've just read it, but I thought it was pronounced Maya. Not that I was watching back then, but i've ah I'm sure I've only ever heard it pronounced Maya and now everyone's saying Maya.
simonthomas: Maya. I mean, certainly every other context I've heard that name is Maya, but i I was watching when she was there and I don't remember what she was called on screen.
lizzie: and maybe I've just only read about her and that's where it came from but I was like who's Maya and then they were saying Maya but I still my pet theory is still that that is Todd's ex-wife who's now in prison
simonthomas: Maya.
simonthomas: Maya. Maya.
simonthomas: It does seem possible, doesn't it?
lizzie: then
simonthomas: Yeah. Yeah, I'd be intrigued. I mean, yeah um
lizzie: so yeah
simonthomas: yeah. had, like, it was weird when April was apparently told by the court that she wasn't allowed to see her own boyfriend because they were testifying for different sides. It's like, can the court stop you seeing your boyfriend for that reason?
lizzie: Yeah. And then they did just sort of give up on it in the end, didn't they?
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: Because they have just been hanging out. so
simonthomas: Yeah. mean... Yeah, they live across the road from each other. They're literally you're dating. a duty I don't know where the jurisdiction of the court begins and ends, but I don't think it can really be called witness tampering when it's like seeing someone that you've been dating for like a year.
lizzie: Yeah, me neither.
lizzie: Yeah, that does seem like sort of, I was about to say heavy shepherding. I don't know if that's a phrase we can use outside of a Christian context.
simonthomas: How easy it is. I mean, it's very it's very much a farming metaphor as well. Yeah.
lizzie: So true. My only last thought was that um in that period where gar ah Gary, not Gary, Cammie, Cammie was just like holding the garage together and was really, really stressed and needed loads of help.
simonthomas: Who's to Gary? Okay.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: At that point, Sarah didn't have a baby and was sort of not doing anything. Like, why wasn't she helping at the garage?
simonthomas: That's true. She's not maternity leave yet. and Unless she started on maternity leave early, because you can you pick a date, don't you?
lizzie: No,
simonthomas: um
lizzie: Yeah, maybe.
simonthomas: Yeah.
lizzie: I think that is normally when you are pregnant, though, rather than waiting for someone else to give birth.
simonthomas: I guess so, but I don't know how it works.
lizzie: She's just like pumping breast milk all the time, and I you could be doing an MOT at least.
simonthomas: I don't know.
simonthomas: Yeah, whilst you're doing pumping and doing oil change, it's basically the same thing. So...
lizzie: Exactly. Oil, colostrum, it's much of a muchness.
simonthomas: Yeah, poor Cammy. And poor Vanessa with her, like, I need my MOT right now. And Cammy's like, yeah, i'll do it in the next 10 minutes.
lizzie: Yeah, I know.
simonthomas: And then, like, actually I didn't. But... um so was Also, like, when when I take my car from MOT, assume it will take, a like, an extra day to come back to me. Because who knows if it's going to pass or not.
simonthomas: But...
lizzie: True, yeah. She shouldn't have been playing with those expectations. I did think it was a masterclass in um like giving good expectations. like Belle just walked in and was like, we're just going to tell everyone it's going to be later than it actually will be.
lizzie: And then they're prepared for the worst and we can improve on it.
simonthomas: yeah
lizzie: And you think that's such a good life lesson.
simonthomas: so yeah under promise over deliver unlike our social media um my final one is when nicola and jimmy were talking to jacob and sarah about their baby and being like oh it's cute now but you know they'll get to the age like like angel angelica where she's like slamming doors and it's like she also committed like vehicular manslaughter like are we are we
lizzie: Well done, Belle. Exactly. Unlike everything ever.
lizzie: Yeah, that wasn't the worst thing that she did, actually.
simonthomas: yeah like Are we prioritizing the wrong things here?
lizzie: Looking at her phone. Like, I think maybe...
simonthomas: She's been to prison. or
simonthomas: um
lizzie: Oh dear, so good.
simonthomas: anyway
lizzie: um yeah Yeah, is that everything?
simonthomas: Shall we do our yes we do are a random character?
lizzie: Random character generator?
simonthomas: who what do we think about?
lizzie: Yes.
simonthomas: Oh, it's a big one. Aaron.
lizzie: Well, we did like a whole special episode on Aaron.
simonthomas: We did...
lizzie: So we have many, many thoughts. And if you want to hear them all, then you can go back to our episode about Aaron coming out. um Simon, do you want to give a summary on how you feel?
simonthomas: yeah and another one we did on rob ron as well oh yeah it was that well i yeah aaron was the character i was certainly most invested in when i started watching like 2009 2010 sort of time and he was the center of the show and got every storyline that was basically he was the show in terms of all his publicity um an amazing actor even at that young age and I think for a lot of time we've been watching, he was sort of sullied with that John storyline, which was so tedious and really dimmed his shine.
lizzie: Oh yes, I'm sure you're obsessed.
simonthomas: I didn't know.
lizzie: Dole to sparkle.
simonthomas: I still love him. I love when he gets to do a bit comedy. he was amazing in the storyline about his debt like his historic sexual abuse coming out. He was so good that.
simonthomas: He did feel for a while they were piling onto so many miserable things. We had self-harm and he's had like, suicide attempts and all sorts over years so it's nice when he gets to be a bit funnier my favorite things are him with Robert and him with his friend Adam who you know sadly is well he's just one I'm a celebrity so maybe he'll come back to Emmerdale after that um yeah
lizzie: That would be nice, but i kind of sight somehow doubt it.
simonthomas: but yeah it does it does feel like he's not the center of the show in the way he used to be and maybe they're not using his full potential because he hasn't had like big big stories well suppose the John one was big but it was so boring you know
lizzie: but Yeah, I'd say John was pretty big, but it'd be nice if he had another big story soon. I think that him and Robert... Sorry, I was going to say him and Rob Ron.
lizzie: Him and Robert might have a big story coming up. I don't know. They're certainly trying to start a farm.
simonthomas: Aren't they just? ah And I guess we might get Seb back at some point. I don't know if I necessarily want them to have endless, like, what's it like raising a child storyline. But um maybe I do.
lizzie: Yeah, maybe you do, maybe you don't.
simonthomas: I don't know.
lizzie: I think at the moment it's quite nice just that they're having a bit of downtime setting up a farm and stuff. And I mean, Robert is clearly w racked with guilt about sending Moira to prison, etc.
simonthomas: Et cetera.
lizzie: But other than that, they're having a bit of downtime and setting up a farm. Although I was a bit confused about why they are prioritising, like, redecorating the kitchen when it's like you're trying to set up a farm. Like, why are you doing this?
simonthomas: are you doing this? And I can't imagine either of them being like, we must have a sage green.
lizzie: Clearly Moira felt the same.
simonthomas: I cannot live another moment in here without this. but
lizzie: I know it's quite confusing to me but still we like Robert I mean Aaron we also like Robert we like Aaron he's good Danny Miller's incredible one of the best actors I think on the show we love it when he gets bit teary-eyed there's lots to love about Aaron
simonthomas: Yeah. Yeah.
simonthomas: we do he cries a lot um i think i'd like him to have another friend like his friendship with max seems to have rather like fizzled out because max just being friends of ross instead um obviously his friendship with adam was great his relationship with victoria was great but these people are not currently with us so
lizzie: oh yeah
lizzie: Gone but not forgotten.
simonthomas: Gumbit's suddenly not forgotten um so maybe some more friends for him but I do think he's also one of those characters you can put in with anyone and the chemistry does work like for a while he was just being trundled around to do like grief therapy with anyone so yeah um and he's also traditionally been like a dingle obviously but like sort of on the outskirts he wasn't always invited to like big dingle things and he does seem to be a bit more core dingle now which is nice can go okay
lizzie: Anyone and everyone.
lizzie: Kingdingle. king dingle um And then we normally do if we got any farming content, but like, it's just a lot of farming content these days. Not that we're really seeing any animals, but they're just talking about farms all the time.
simonthomas: Yeah, there's a lot about farm blackmail, but not much about actual farming. So, yeah.
lizzie: I think what they need to realize is that I just want to see a sheep.
simonthomas: And who is running, what's that evil lady called? Celia's farm.
lizzie: Celia.
simonthomas: There's a whole farm there that's going to look dead.
lizzie: i mean, it wasn't that just like all turkeys that died.
simonthomas: if if Maybe it was. so Yeah. well I'm sure Paddy went to do something to a cow there at some point.
lizzie: Really, I thought they just like had turkeys and killed them all, but I don't really know.
simonthomas: Yeah.
simonthomas: Who knows? there's a seems There seems to have plenty of farms go around considering they're squabbling over this one. But yeah.
lizzie: yeah true. Well, and this one's riddled with ragwort, so.
simonthomas: Yeah. So we'd like, we...
simonthomas: I guess you absolutely mustn't put cows on that hill. That much we know. So that's something.
lizzie: Yeah, Matty was right all along and they didn't listen.
simonthomas: So sick of Matty. But yeah. if
lizzie: Sweet Matty.
simonthomas: Can't stand him. Anyway, on that note...
lizzie: Well, imagine if you have to meet the actor who plays Matty, I'll be gassed and you'll be like, I hate my life.
simonthomas: Oh no.
lizzie: I'll just be giving him a beaded fish.
simonthomas: you'll be we What we do know at this point is you will be giving computer fish to somebody. Because
lizzie: Whether they want it or not.
simonthomas: yes, we were going to go a couple weeks ago and then we move it and we learned that Mac is the person we would have worked met. So that's you know that's the ground that our friendship rests on.
lizzie: I
simonthomas: Is the person we see better or worse than Mac?
lizzie: know.
simonthomas: And I think there's plenty of people that I'd rather see the Mac and some people I'd much less like to see the Mac.
lizzie: I would have been really excited to meet Mac.
simonthomas: So yeah
lizzie: Gutting.
simonthomas: But you ah you were away. You were a busy gal.
lizzie: I know. was a busy girl. It does happen.
simonthomas: But if we if we do see Matthew or Graham, then that is probably the end of our friendship.
lizzie: Okay. Sorry. I'll be praying against that.
simonthomas: And we must be coming up for our first anniversary of Dinkle All The Way. exciting.
lizzie: Surely.
simonthomas: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
lizzie: that's so true. We should look into that and find out what on earth we started this thing.
simonthomas: and we'll be back in a couple of weeks, which might be our special anniversary episode.
lizzie: We may or may not have found out by that point. um But yeah, until then, keep in touch. Send us an email, dinglealltheway.pod at gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram. I probably won't put anything on there, but it's a fun touch.
lizzie: and keep on listening. Also, comments on Spotify are always really fun to read, so drop us a comment.
simonthomas: oh we love those yeah every blessing to you and yours
lizzie: And Godspeed. Godspeed.
simonthomas: hi
