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Classic ep: Victoria falls through the ice (Emmerdale 25th December 2008)
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Simon is on holiday, so we're interrupting our usual podcast schedule with a review of a classic episode from Christmas Day 2008! We thought it would be primarily about Vic falling through the frozen lake, but it turned out to be largely about rabbit stew and rural church ownership battles, which on balance we probably enjoyed more.
What did you think of this episode? We'd love to hear your thoughts! You can watch it here (with intermittent audio at times) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHovDyVdqcc
Email us at dingleallway.pod@gmail or leave a comment on this episode!
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Transcript
Introduction to Emmerdale Christmas Episode 2008
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, welcome to Dingle All The Way. I'm Simon. And I'm Lizzie. And this is a little bit, you know, changed to the norm, ah because I'm away. By the time you listen to this, I will be in a different country. So we're talking about a special episode ah today, one of our classic lookbacks.
00:00:17
Speaker
um And this was my idea, and i' I don't quite know why, but we're doing it. In my head, the episode where Victoria falls through the ice, I guess it's also Christmas Day. Yeah, it's also like an awful lot of stuff is happening and thought it was just to be quite ice based, but it was mainly like quite rabbit based. Yeah, because I think I'd just seen the clips of the ice and didn't know the context or anything else that was going on the episode. It turns out everything's going on episode. Hmm.
00:00:46
Speaker
you'd be forgiven for not having a clue it was an episode about ice for a solid 35 minutes after 45 minutes yeah there was an awful lot of like church closure content as well which I found quite confusing and baffling but um I did enjoy yeah I will say up top I love this episode this is what i want Embedale to be like ah lots of stories lots of characters lots of comedy some drama was like, I've watched and it's like there's so much life and fun in it and then we just, we haven't had life and fun for a while. Yeah, and there was a fair amount of like arguing and obviously, you know, maybe incest, but we don't know. but it wasn't like, wasn't as dark as we've come to know on Emmerdale and it wasn't the whole episode. It
Episode Atmosphere and Opening Credits
00:01:30
Speaker
was just like a bit of the episode.
00:01:32
Speaker
So this is, yeah, as say, Christmas Day 2008, which is perfect for a heat wave. And neither of us were watching at the time. So this before I started watching, but only a couple years before I started watching. And I guess you've watched a lot of the early Rob Ron playlist. So we like a lot of people we know are involved in this.
00:01:51
Speaker
Yeah. And it was quite fun, i think, watching it on a day where it's 30 degrees outside, but there's snow everywhere. And it like it made me feel cooler, even though i am sheltering in my own home.
00:02:02
Speaker
She's sheltering in place. Exactly. but yeah, seeing all that ice, s seeing the snow, made me cool down sort of on the inside, if not actually. Yeah, there's a danger that it looks like falling through the ice would actually be a huge blessing. Yeah, if anything, it's something I'm praying for. um Can we, I know we talked about this before, but can we just talk about the opening credits again?
00:02:23
Speaker
Yeah, theyre they're they're loud, they're dramatic. I'd say like dirge-esque. Yeah, and like
Church Closure Storyline
00:02:30
Speaker
made me feel really deeply travel sick because I guess like they weren't using drones then. They were maybe like in a helicopter and it was just very jerky, all of the aerial footage. And I felt quite like, well, don't know where I'm going to go next.
00:02:43
Speaker
yeah and i don't if we've done a special episode with these particular credits maybe maybe they were the aaron coming out one but they uh yeah they they tell us that it's rural sure but i think particularly when you get to the like halfway or it segues and you go from a normal conversation to like what feels like someone crashing down on an organ somewhere and just being like yeah i think we've definitely talked about the opening credits where they seem really intent on showing us people like paragliding and rock climbing we were like that's not very emmerdale but this didn't feel very emmerdale either because it was just fields and a tractor and then suddenly it was like laurel was like shrieking about something and like this is kind a gear shift it's tiring you know you certainly would never expect to see a human person after this it felt a bit more like country file
00:03:33
Speaker
yeah and yeah as you say was a lot of rabbit and turkey content yeah an awful lot of rabbit and turkey content for sure so we'll come on to the ice v but maybe we should just go through the episode a bit chronologically or just like early impressions that sounds good i guess we start with a scene of laurel and ashley in their house christmas morning and i just thought was so nice to see laurel and you know we know and love her now yeah she's been a long-term character and she was she is kind of in a different mode i feel like she's more chilled these days Yeah, she was definitely more in her like mumsy, a bit like dowdy, like well-meaning. She's she's definitely got, I think I said before, like she and Nicola have got closer and closer to each other in terms of character over the years. And she's like she's clearly learned a lot from Nicola, whereas in this one, she was a bit like frightened of everyone and bit of wet blanket, but we still love her. Mm-hmm.
00:04:24
Speaker
And we saw baby Gabby and baby Arthur. Yeah, I know. So cute. Although I did think when she was holding Arthur, like, oh, he pushed you down the stairs recently. To be fair, he pushed her over and she hit the stairs. That's important. um And that, I didn't know how long that kid who played Arthur was around for, but the one who played um Gabby was there for quite a while and she looked for entire her entire time on the screen angry and sullen.
00:04:56
Speaker
Which he was bringing a little bit of it today. He'd be like, I want something to with Christmas,
Sit-in Protest and Rural Church Impact
00:05:00
Speaker
I forget. but Yeah, and they were like, well, just have this present instead. I was like, okay, great. I couldn't work out where we were because I thought, are we at um Laurel's house it's just like half the size now than it used to be I think so I think that's yeah I think just got rid of a fireplace at some point more compact but it was supposed to be there yeah because that fireplace was the size of my flat many many things are the size of your flat unfortunately so many things yeah I was sad to say but um and then Nicola came down the stairs and sort of smiled and I had no idea why so yeah same I was like I feel like I'm meant to know what that's about but I truly don't and also random that Nicola lives there but
00:05:37
Speaker
I guess everybody lives with everybody in Emmerdale. Yeah, you can't choose where you live. That's something they've come to peace with. Come to peace with. piece And so Arthur's big storyline was that the church was closing because Eric wanted to buy it. Yeah, it was like he was a secret buyer, the bishop wanted to close it. And I thought like, I just don't think that's something that happens. Like your church belongs to the Church of England.
00:06:04
Speaker
I suppose was the bishop saying like, we're going decommission your church so that someone can buy the actual property of it, brackets, Eric. Yeah. And look, there's no one to whom the issue of rural church closer is closer to the heart than me. That sentence was very complicated. But we got the end of it. We got the gist.
00:06:25
Speaker
My dad... He was a vicar and did a sabbatical where during that he did write about, he did a little paper on what happens to rural churches when they closed. Ooh, tell us more. Well, there's a lot of like, obviously turned into private houses, some businesses, some nightclubs, some mosques. It was all was all go. But I think importantly, he looked at what afterwards. they They choose to close them based on, like, yes, dwindling attendance as Edna was shrieking at everyone at some point. something She really did shriek. Yes. Like, I don't know, Edna, if you think it's going to encourage people to go to church.
00:07:00
Speaker
Side note, I could not stand the character of Edna. It's like, why is your Christian character... so horrible to everyone all the time is side note from the side note ditto to claudia yeah i know you think that probably is our reputation but it is gutting to see it laid out so stereotypically on screen and i would say having been immersed in rural churches for much of my life the older ladies do divide very precisely into that exact mold but or the absolute opposite where they could could not be nicer so you know you've either got nice cute little like friendly people or even the ones actually who are more edna tend to be nice once you're in a circle a formidable outer circle and i guess edna's point is that the church at this moment has no inner circle there's no one who she can show the gift of the spirit to at this moment yeah so it whilst yes a church could close what would be the deciding factor is certainly not whether or not eric pollard is going to buy it that's not going to like tip the one way or the other Yeah, like I would love to know, and I'm sure could very easily look up what Eric was going to use that building for.
00:08:03
Speaker
Like, did he see himself as an alternative sort of religious leader? a's Expanding the shop. we just with The thing is, we don't know. it We don't know. And I guess we never need to know because it seems like that storyline was in some way wrapped up. I couldn't quite follow. it was like, well, the press are here now, so we just won't buy it.
00:08:23
Speaker
Yeah, we we don't want the bad reputation that comes from someone being aware of this thing. But I don't know who's hoping to like, just to hope no one would notice when he like moved in. um Yeah, bizarre. And, you know, I love a sit-in. I love that the organised sit-in. The sit-in seemed to last maybe an hour and a half. So it wasn't like, you know, the most it almighty sit-in of the time. Well, that was the weird thing, was that it felt like they were acting as if the church service had gone on for about an hour and that they were all like really ready to go home.
00:08:51
Speaker
And then that they'd been eating somebody's turkey dinner for like at least three hours beyond that. and all of this stuff was happening while people were playing on the ice. But then at the end, I think, who was it? It was like Nicola or someone else has been like, thanks so much. I can't believe you've been here for an hour and a half. It's like my church service is longer than that.
00:09:11
Speaker
Yeah, i did ah it did amuse me when they they announced the choir was coming and Rodney literally said, we can't be here all day. It's like, Rodney, you've been here for 45 minutes. You can sit and hear the choir. You've barely been here, actually, Rodney. yeah it was quite confusing and then was it was actually sort of like losing his nerve at one point but i was like truly nobody's asking you really to do anything are they yeah you literally just have to be there yeah and you yeah i mean in some ways the vicar being in church on a sunday morning doesn't feel like a sitter and it's more his job so been literally what he's paid to do
00:09:45
Speaker
And also like, I'm not sure what the sit-in was intended to prevent because even if they did sell it, it wasn't like Eric was going to like turn it into a sweet shop overnight or something. But maybe it was. Can you, can you see yourself ever ending up spending your Christmas
Character Dynamics and Plot Twists
00:10:00
Speaker
day doing a sit-in at your local church rather than like seeing your family? i mean, sadly, yes. i think I could see that in my future. Cause I do love a protest.
00:10:11
Speaker
um I've not been on many, but I do i do enjoy them when I'm on them. Okay, yeah. I mean, can I see it happening to me? My church doesn't even have a building. We rent somebody else's church hall. That's tricky, yeah.
00:10:24
Speaker
It's a different reality for myself. Yeah. I can see myself either getting swept up in the frenzy of it all or not quite knowing how to say no. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there seem to be plenty of people who are there just for like, well, actually, this is more interesting than whatever we have planned. So because I will say like, what are we, 18 years in the future from that date? They're not getting packed congregations ever since in the church.
00:10:49
Speaker
Yeah, I did think that I was like, oh, they I i didn't realize that it was obviously going to turn into a protest and stuff and not happen. And so then at the beginning of the episode when Ashley was like, like this is the last ever church service we're going to have.
00:11:03
Speaker
I did think, oh, that explains a lot because no one ever goes there. Charles never seems to do anything and you never see a Sunday service happening. So I guess the church like doesn't really run as a church and that does make sense.
00:11:14
Speaker
But then it ah actually didn't happen. i was like, oh I couldn't tell. I truly couldn't tell that they won the protest. Yeah, no. and In fact, I mean, the idea that any rural wicker only has one village church just wouldn't happen. Like all rural wickers have at least three, often like eight.
00:11:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, my brother-in-law had like nine or something. Yeah, my dad applied for a job, had ten, crazy. um And he, like, I've complained before about the fact that there is no vicarage for the vicar to live in, so if he was actually losing his only job, he would also be packing to move, but but obviously that's not a thing in a bit at all. Yeah, but there was a line in there that was like, you're going to get yourself sacked, and I was like, he's...
00:11:56
Speaker
already losing his job. Like, what else is going do? The one church that he's vickering for is closing. Like, what did do you think he was still going have a job? Just like his job is just wandering around and dispensing slightly profound wisdom that's got nothing to do with Jesus, which tends to be the vicar's role in the, uh,
00:12:12
Speaker
Yeah, i wouldn't cross their minds to mention Jesus at any point. Absolutely not. Like, why should they? I'd enjoyed, I think it was Betty, was it? Who had said the word stuff and was like, stuffing. And was like desperate to stuffing, not the longest part of roast dinner cooking, I would say, particularly if you're, you know using prep pre-made, which maybe she isn't. but Yeah, I've put a lot effort into real stuffing before, but mean. Was it worth it? Yeah, it actually really was, but you're a vegetarian, so you wouldn't enjoy sausage meat stuffing, I guess. Well, I would not. But sausage and onion stuffing I do love a lot. Okay, yeah, I've never made real vegetarian stuffing.
00:12:52
Speaker
just actually have Just think about me when you're making your Christmas dinner next time, thanks. Yeah, sure. um Yeah, so Nicola was curiously impassioned about the whole issue of rural church closure, and I don't know if that was just because she's a friend like a fan of laurels or if she just needs to fill her at filla days, but... um I think it must be something to do with that weird smile that she gave them when she came downstairs because I just thought like you surely don't actually care about this like and it was yeah it was quite strange but her arrival and everything there was there was definitely an atmosphere and then she stood up after Edna was like I agree with Edna and no one looked more shocked about that than Edna. has She's like it's never happened or even feasible at all. No one's ever agreed with me on anything before.
00:13:34
Speaker
Exciting to me, Riedna, was her sister Lily was there, who I've never seen Emmerdale. But that is the late great, she's not late, she's still alive, the great Anne Charleston, who played Madge in Neighbours for many, many years. So it was very exciting. And yet obviously I knew she moved to Amadale. She was only there for like a year and then she quit because she didn't get anything to do. And she's, you know, she's a free speaking woman. and So she was basically just like, all I did was sit above the bar. So it's a no from me. But yeah, the late great Mad Bishop was wonderful to see Anne Charleston in her in her two lines that she had.
00:14:10
Speaker
Yeah, i don't remember that at all, but it's lovely to know the backstory. And Val, my gosh, what a loss to the show, What woman. I love that she was just like, he's my husband and I'll tell you everything you need to know about Eric. like Every line she had. And apparently they write her has so well, but also her delivery. I wrote down, We're down there in ecclesiastical oblivion and you're here salivating over a dead bird. Yes.
00:14:40
Speaker
I she's incredible. And I love that, like, obviously they seem to have like quite a free speaking tempestuous relationship, but that Eric is still like, she was the love of my life. And I love her. I don't believe it, but like, if we can bring back Graham, we can bring back Val. yes really Yeah. She was spliced by a hall of
Victoria's Fall Through the Ice
00:15:00
Speaker
mirrors. Sure.
00:15:01
Speaker
But you that's something, it's something you can bounce back from, I think. Stick a plaster on it, have a few deep breaths on you, Gabe. And it'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah, I guess Graham just lay still for a long time and and she could have been lying still for a long time since then.
00:15:17
Speaker
could. She could have been lying real still. Like, so still. She's also much younger than I expect her to be. I'm just going to Google how old she actually is, although can't remember her name right now.
00:15:27
Speaker
um Because I think I always thought she was approximately his age, like Eric's age, but Is she meant to be a lot younger than him? but i't I don't know if she's meant to be a lot younger than him, the actor is a lot younger than him.
00:15:38
Speaker
So she is currently 65. So what? 18 years ago, she would have she's in her 40s in that episode. It doesn't look like that. I think they've dressed her very old and like styled her very old. yeah i think they must have been trying to get her closer to Eric's age. you know Maybe the character was older. That's crazy. Wow.
00:16:00
Speaker
Wow. Fair enough. So yeah, she was definitely a highlight. Yeah. um And I'm delighted that they could sort out whatever was going on with the judge to never be mentioned again. never never be mentioned again. um Do you have any thoughts on this quite strange storyline with um Jasmine, Debbie and Eli, where it seemed like they were just needlessly sort of burning money and Eli had the most awful hair. Yeah, I will say my main take was Eli's hair, which was, it was, it was like a beetle had been lost in the forest for a hundred years. yeah And by a beetle, I mean a member of the band, not the insect.
00:16:37
Speaker
It's like he was trying to pretend to be Jesus on
Comparisons to Newer Episodes
00:16:40
Speaker
his birthday. was like a Gallagher brother on a desert island. It was just, it was so much. I like literally couldn't see who it was, partly because we were watching it on like a very pixelated YouTube video and partly because he was just a shock of dark hair. I thought he had a hood up and you could just see a small amount of his hair and head. And I was like, that's so stupid. I can't see this man's face. And then someone called him Eli. And i was like, oh, it's he Eli's in there. He's there in ah in the thicket. Um, I, yeah, i mean, I don't have massive thoughts cause I've written, really know what's going on, but I, from reading previous times, I have learned that, uh, they, well, we'll come onto of course, but I believe they accidentally or deliberately, I don't know, killed the guy who's in the ice under the ice. Oh, I wondered what that body was. Yeah.
00:17:33
Speaker
Uh, And then they tried to cover it up by throwing him a lake, I guess. But um guys I don't know how Eli got involved. think this is i think's the time that Jasmine and Debbie were a couple. Eli's involvement is a mystery to all, including himself, I assume, him because he doesn't know where he is. Can't see. but I guess at that point, if anybody was doing something nefarious, he was probably somehow linked to it.
00:17:58
Speaker
Yeah, I guess so. um so i know there's a lot of, well, or possibly just a small number of very vocal Jasmine Debbie fans. So they presumably would have loved this storyline. But yeah, I don't really have any thoughts beyond the haircut, if ah if I can speak my honest truth. And it was one of many difficult haircuts because like Andy's was also quite upsetting. Yeah,
Final Thoughts and Future Plans
00:18:20
Speaker
he had a lot going on. Yeah, David's was quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah, thought Debbie and and Jasmine both looked lovely, obviously. um Yeah, they got through okay, yeah. Yeah, I do remain quite heartbroken that Debbie's not in the show and I know that the actor has said they don't want to be and that's obviously fine. But I just think like she seems really great and she does seem like she is part of their family it' ah in terms of like the way that she looks, whether she acts. I'm like, oh, this just works. And I don't think that with everything that's gone on in Sarah's life, that you would just still be out in Australia, never visiting. It doesn't seem plausible to me. Yeah, she is a real lass to the show. And she obviously, yeah, they talked about Sarah. So I guess Sarah would have been like three, maybe at this point.
00:19:08
Speaker
Yeah, because somebody said to Andy, like, oh, let's hope going to get Sarah back or something. And I was like, well, he doesn't seem to care about that now. no And who knows where Sarah was on this particular Christmas day, not with either of her parents, apparently. so Yeah, that is an interesting one, isn't it?
00:19:26
Speaker
Yeah, shame. um Speaking of little ones who are still around, wasn't Belle cute? know, I adore her. I thought that that little... um conversation between her and Zach was something I found very amusing and you probably would have absolutely hated when they're like oh look how cute the bunnies are and then she's like yeah I know I'm getting cold can you just shoot one yeah it's like no that's not what I expect from a from a character who's apparently besotted with a turkey
00:19:54
Speaker
Yeah, but it was really sweet seeing her and obviously the other young people we saw and now played by other characters, but ah but by other actors rather. But um nice that we had the continuity of her. Yeah, what other children were in it? Was it just Gabby and Arthur?
00:20:10
Speaker
i guess it must be. We did see Donna, but we didn't, but April was not around yet. Who's Donna? Donna's April's mum and she was with Marlon because they were dating at the time.
00:20:23
Speaker
oh that does make sense I don't think I clocked who that was oh yeah she was very brave not even sure she had any lines but she was she was there um were there any other young kids maybe not no yeah um yeah so yeah we had had David and Eric David have maybe had an affair with Nicola was that referenced didn't know that was a thing ah I don't think that was... Didn't Nicholas say something? What did they say?
00:20:55
Speaker
didn't speak to each other, but Nicholas said something to Laurel or something or someone about like, oh yeah, moving on from David now. yeah. Maybe she had a crush or something. I really couldn't work out and what on earth was going on with Vic and Daz. And I mean, I could have gone away and done research, but i didn't.
00:21:18
Speaker
Yeah, the fact that Valdis came in at some point, saw them kissing him, like, are you two related? And they were like, no. And it's like, okay, like, what is the backstory there? I did a tiny bit of Googling and it looked like he's like half son of like one of Vic's parents or something. And so there was like, and not they don't really share genetics, but they kind of also do.
00:21:44
Speaker
I think if you have to like ask the question, it's probably a no, isn't it? You probably shouldn't go there if you're even wondering. so yeah, we had we had this sort of weird love, well, not necessarily love pentangle, but five people involved. So we had we had Vic, we had whoever Week Daz is. We had Scarlett. I liked Scarlett. She was around for a while. She was Jimmy's half-sister.
00:22:08
Speaker
like sort of posh princess type she had a nice relationship with adam him at one point um and we had a guy whose name i didn't ever learn but aaron called him kitchen boy so not yeah i didn't know who that was i thought he reminded me somehow of deck from anton deck just saying maybe it was deck from anton deck we don't know yeah it was you must jonathan fella He made me... literally said it, I guess. i did't i I don't mean this offensively, but he did remind me of Frankenstein's monster. So that was a vibe that he was carrying.
00:22:43
Speaker
and Just talk me through that. Just quite a square head, I suppose. okay yeah um Yeah, I see. this I see the squareness. I see the vision. And I do think Kitchen Boy is an insult. It's not great if he's like, it's his job working in the kitchen because that's just a job. That's okay.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's like me being like charity sector. Yeah. you' Like, yeah, that's that's literally what I do. That's me, actually. um i did he did used to call adam farm boy a lot so he's obviously just like he's not he's not thinking through his uh his insults obviously he just like assumes that everyone's deeply insecure about the job that they have and at that point i guess he was still at school so he wouldn't have had a job but school boy that have triggered him i don't know was he at school maybe i don't know but uh yeah he was the fifth yeah and they all well he get he leaves the church that apparently he was going to go to and uh
00:23:36
Speaker
gets drunk on the ice because because why not do you have to it's christmas and it's a tradition um yeah so let's see tell us more about all the ice mishaps There's just so much ice drama. like Aaron is like just bobbing around on the ice singing Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer to himself and then Kitchen Boy turns up and is like, what are you up to? And they have a bit of back and forth.
00:24:02
Speaker
I couldn't tell if it was meant to be a romantic thing. This was before Aaron came out or and i think before the script writers had even thought of him being gay. So I just suspect not. Probably not. and then um And then is it Kitchen Boy who's invited Vic and Daz and Aaron's like, why did you do that?
00:24:20
Speaker
yeah I guess so. I didn't really know why they were there. Or like, then who would issue a formal limit invitation to go and hang out at a pond? but Yeah, everybody is being really mean to Vic, which I didn't enjoy, especially because, I mean, obviously we love her. but I thought that Aaron like always had her back and they were always tight and like good friends and looked out for each other.
00:24:39
Speaker
so I found that quite tough to watch when everyone was making fun of her and i didn't really know why. yeah i didn't really know why and i'm trying to think they've definitely were friends before he even came out or anything and they dated briefly in the show maybe um but yeah so that was sad it was obviously it was sad seeing her being um yeah being the target and erin was very new at this point and i just looking at when he came back so he came back in 2008 so so it would have like just happened he have just returned yes sometime that year i can't find the exact date very recently yeah so i guess they hadn't um maybe formalized that friendship yet he was just that being like the bad boy with problems unspecified although i always look back and think obviously even though the screw writers didn't know this this was not long after he'd been like child sex abuse victim so yeah true um you can see why the anger was there yeah
00:25:34
Speaker
I get Cover of side notes when you say like, I thought his singing voice was actually rather nice. Yeah, considering you were supposed to just be sort of an angry boy with lot of issues. was like, oh, bless you just singing Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer to yourself. Rather lovely. And then Vic looks exactly the same. Like she's not aged in Asian years, it seems. She's not aged a day. And I think she's brilliant.
00:25:54
Speaker
Yeah. So there's a lot of people giving each other necklaces this Christmas. It seemed to be a theme. And I don't think I've ever received a necklace at Christmas.
00:26:06
Speaker
I haven't received or given as far as I can recall. I guess it's a bit of a trope, you know, the love actually famous sort of Alan Rickman necklace thing. yeah maybe Maybe it's a sign of love that neither of us will ever receive. And granted, I don't know the ins and outs of Daz's character, he does strike me as someone who would give an homage to Kenneth Branagh at every opportunity. have idea who that
00:26:32
Speaker
Kenneth Branagh? Yeah. The guy in Love Actually who gives the necklace. What? is a No, that's Alan Rickman. Is it? Who's Kenneth Branagh?
00:26:42
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. Kenneth Branagh was actually married to Emma Thompson in real life. There we go. But you know who Kenneth Branagh is. He's in everything. i'm sure I would recognise him. He played Poirot in Poirot recently. He's like, he was Gilderoy Lockhart. He's Will Wollander. He's...
00:27:01
Speaker
He's in every single Shakespeare play. and i And apparently not Shunab actually, although i vividly remember him in those scenes. He was not not a factor. He was not, I promise you. um So yeah, there was there was quite a lot going on on the ice.
00:27:16
Speaker
But equally, like it did seem to take a long time for anything to really get going, didn't it? Because we all knew that she was going to fall through. and they I guess we knew that. We were probably doing quite a shock watching that the first time because you've got a lot of the expectation is that Daz is going to fall through. is it not? That's true, yeah. They probably all would have thought someone was going to fall through, but maybe not Victoria. But yeah, it was it was troubling. And obviously I was thinking, I know she's going to be fine because she is still in the show this day. But I think if I was watching it for the first time and felt as fond as Victoria as I do now, I would have found that quite scary.
00:27:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think, so yeah, there's a bit of like throwing this necklace back and forth on the eyes. You know dogs do? Fetch, she said as she threw it. know. It was like, yes, trash talk, Vic. And lot of Scarlet sort of uselessly screaming. Erin, just like, why am I here? She was useless, even on the phone to the emergency services. She was like, I don't really know. know. It's like you're literally moments from your home. Like you may figure it out. um Yeah, she was dreadful. But ah yeah, i as you say, it was quite slow. But I thought the actual moment when Vic fell through, it was done really well because it wasn't, you didn't have all the foretelling of like, yeah, she's definitely going fall through and then she does. Because I was obviously, even though I knew, I think you could watch that scene knowing someone's going to fall through, but you didn't know who. And it was so sudden that,
00:28:41
Speaker
I just think it was done really well. Like good good drama that wasn't super overplayed, but really effective. Yeah, no, it was really good. And I did think, I know that when you do fall through the ice, you personally, um that it is very, very disorientating and it is hard to find where you get like back up through the hole again.
00:29:03
Speaker
But that she seemed to have ended up a really long way from the hole. She swam to the bottom of this deep lake at some point. And then have the hand of a dead body, obviously. yeah And then Daz obviously couldn't find her and would never, ever be able to find her. And then he suddenly did. i thought I'm really glad that you did find her, but you would not have been able to do that.
00:29:24
Speaker
Yeah. Best advice is not to also go under the ice if in such a scenario, yeah if you're like untrained and with no protective equipment. Yeah. But I suppose you would also if feel terrible not going in.
00:29:36
Speaker
to try and help because you think like, I'm just letting you die. And he did have the big advice of Daz holding his leg whilst also fully on the ice. like, it's like, yeah get i get the whole like, holding someone if you're on land. Yeah. yeah that's true you're just sort of still the same weight but holding each other i holding ice was treated like one of those ones that eskimos do in cartoons or inuits doing cartoons where they like drill in her circle to fish through where they were just like there's no way the surrounding parts of this can break even though it cracked you you know but like 30 centimeters from where i am it's like i'm safe here
00:30:11
Speaker
Yeah, Vic was under the water for, I'd say, the best part of quarter per hour. She was, she's, sometimes for quite a long time, with her mouth open. Yeah, but then, like, amazingly, as soon as she got out the ice, had a little bit of a pat on the back and was just completely fine. no hypertherms for her no not at all which I guess there was a lot of mirroring wasn't there in the limo crash ice on the lake episode was gonna say how do you think they compare yeah well I think in this regard when um Amy came out she did look a lot more convincingly not okay than yeah that's true convicted um but yeah I thought it was interesting like
00:30:50
Speaker
seeing the body under the ice and that was very like Nate coded. cause I did think that when when we got to the Nate under the ice it's like oh wow again there's always bodies under ice. i know and we did at the time say it's kind of weird that Amy saw Nate under the ice and then said the word Nate to Mattie in the hospital but nothing ever came of it and I wonder if they did just want to kind of do a throwback but hadn't necessarily thought through how it would end up as a plot point because it just didn't end up as a plot point.
00:31:19
Speaker
it's also weird that no one in the show ever referenced the previous time that someone had fallen through the ice. Yeah, that was different. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Yeah. I think obviously the limo one was a lot bigger scale and a lot more drawn out. And was the focus of like two episodes or something. um And I think probably overall more, more drama, but this, I don't soft spot for this one because it was, we haven't had like a good gang of teenagers for ages. It's nice. for There is that the sort of, yeah.
00:31:47
Speaker
I, ah sometimes you can go overboard like neighbors had a period where it was just teen storylines for years on end um whereas it's nice have that gang of people similar age more believable they get together and break up with each other constantly um just yeah i like that it wasn't a really huge stunt but it was like it felt like quite character heavy and yeah obviously we don't fully know the names for the characters let alone the situation sorry in what they Vic also referenced when she wanted to stay on the side, oh, not long ago I was trapped in a van underwater. It's like, well, tell us more, Vic. Yeah, that did seem to just be a throwaway line for her. It's been like a bit like Mac in the bunker now. He's like, you recall I was trapped in a bunker? And they're like, oh, yeah.
00:32:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah, so true. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, she's, I'm amazed she's ever gone near water again. i mean, maybe that, maybe, maybe that's why she didn't go on the limousine trip in case it crashed into the ice. Yeah, she just knew, she had a sense. She can't go through it again. Yeah, she truly can't. um I think my favourite bit was just like in the middle of all the ice drama,
00:32:54
Speaker
Just like an almost split second cut to Wishing Well Cottage where they were playing like a game where you have to flip paper fish across the floor. Nothing was said, no dialogue, and then back to the ice.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yeah, that was I mean, I love going back and forth. get me wrong. We can spend too long in terms of worries, but it was quite serious. I'm like, I don't know if it was meant to emphasize like they're having a really fun Christmas day. you're not fixed trapped under the ice i think that's exactly what they're trying to achieve and in a way it worked but like when you just watch it you're like why did that happen yeah some of the editing was quite jarring in this one but yeah there was also the moment where during the church like sit-in bit there was just like a cool care line if you want to talk to someone here's the number and i was like about church closures i'll be finding this especially tough to watch See how it's like scrolling on the bottom, like someone's always here to help. it was yeah i't I didn't know which story, because it was it church closures? Was it the dangers of being trapped under ice? I don't think the ice thing had happened at all yet. It was only church closures.
00:34:01
Speaker
It does hit home. It does. And I wonder whether if it was maybe at that time on Christmas Day, they just had those like every half an hour or something. Like if you're alone on Christmas, maybe you're really sad and you need to talk to someone. Maybe. I want to go back and phone that number and see if it's still phone line. Well, it'll cost you more if you're not on a BT landline. I remember that.
00:34:21
Speaker
wow. I'm on a BT mobile. Does that count for a anything? i don't know like shall you get it right now enough probably i think yes yeah i tempted would that be funny um why wouldn't we had to find it when i say maybe maybe we won't do that but um maybe in the next episode we can see if you still want to do that uh one of my favorite moments is i i can't remember who shouted to this maybe scarlet um Daz, you've got to find her.
00:34:51
Speaker
Such useful advice. He literally came out of the ice was like, I don't think I can do it, which is obviously the right call. They're like well, you've got to. And he's just like, okay, yeah, sure, I'll i'll go back in. yeah see ya and yeah none of their families seem to notice they went around on christmas day like i know chas was trying to find aaron on the phone in church but um other than that again we don't have a clue who it's related to it sounds like no one really knows who does it's related but um He's an international man of mystery. I feel like the actor who plays us as a twin brother, that's in my head somewhere.
00:35:29
Speaker
I'm just looking him up. He's played by Luke Titzner. ah He does have an identical twin, in Elliot Titzner. Was he ever in M&L? Oh my gosh, sorry. um So I don't know about Luke Tinnis. Apparently Dads was there for six years. Oh. After six years, was announced that he was released from Emmerdale due to conviction of GBH.
00:35:53
Speaker
On set? Well, I don't know. wow and he attacked a 16-year-old. goy That's high drama. That's basically Emmerdale. Yeah. in real life. That's why he's never acted again, I assume. Wow.
00:36:08
Speaker
He didn't feel like he was someone who'd been in the show for five years at this the point in the year. No, it felt like he'd just turned up and nobody quite knew who he was. Yeah. Gracious. Yeah, love that for him. but Yeah. Also, you be sad? um So, oh gosh, I looked on Victoria's page and brutal that they decided to include as her photo at the time that she had a quite upsetting Bob. but Is this Emmerdale wiki?
00:36:35
Speaker
No, it's just regular wiki. Oh, I'll go for it. uh was just trying to find out on her page if maybe i'll be able to find out who was in the um who was who kitchen boy is but oh yeah um no he doesn't seem to be mentioned on the yeah so he's dating scarlet there's any we will get to the bottom of this and that's something that people need to hear in live my computer's also just gone to like um
00:37:03
Speaker
battery-saving node. Oh no, Daz was dating Scarlet, not this other guy. gro kitchen point Who is Kitchen Boy? just don't think you're going to get anything for that in emmerdale christmas 28 that's what we say right 20 08 yeah um ai says there is no character named kitchen boy are you thinking of marlon so that's no we're thinking of marlon i hate ai that's absolute uselessness so we've no i'm sorry that we didn't do our research and we don't know this gentleman is but um
00:37:37
Speaker
Someone else can. Also, we haven't mentioned the fun, fun feature, which is that like the last five minutes of the video on YouTube didn't have any audio. And we were just like, well, I guess you can sort of read between the lines and tell what was happening.
00:37:49
Speaker
That was funny. And I think my my suspicion is that it's because it was mid them singing Oh Holy Night, which, you know, Jenny's got a lovely voice. And there's apparently a whole storyline about her during the choir. And i guess maybe YouTube like auto detected it being a soundtrack or something. And then cut this off. It was a bit of muted at the beginning as well, but then it like sprung into action again. yes I think the f episode started totally silently, but i guess maybe that was because they were playing a carol or something. Yeah, maybe that was similar. Who knows?
00:38:21
Speaker
So it was very, like the clip tiny bit we did get of her singing and then it going back to the ice and Vic being like getting CPR or whatever on the ice. it did actually work rather beautifully and then it went totally silent and we had like a mimed conversation between Debbie and Jasmine which potentially was important. Yeah I did seem, I think it seemed like they some sort of silent seance because they were just like surrounded by candles and like quite a lot of things going on. Yeah they were trying to contact Sean assume. It can be the only option.
00:38:54
Speaker
here um but i guess any any more thoughts we could any more thoughts um any more stray things to say quite enjoyed the dog being sat at the table at wishing well cottage that was a nice touch and i also liked sam in his yellow sweater vest but other than that i don't think i've got anything else to say Yeah, it's nice see all these characters and see how many of them have been around for so many years.
00:39:20
Speaker
um And thank you, UK Soap Classics ah YouTube channel for uploading this. We have said at the beginning, if you also want to watch this, just search Emmerdale, 25th December 2008, and eight in you you'll find a quite blotchy, but another and you know slightly silent, but nevertheless there. Blotchy, very lovely.
00:39:38
Speaker
Um, yeah. And as I said at the top, this, this actually just made me quite sad about the current state of Emmerdale. I was like, this is the Emmerdale I want and this is not what we currently get. Yeah. I mean, it didn't have farming content, which is obviously what I relentlessly want. They hit turkey with a car. Is that not a cap for anything? Yeah. They hit a turkey with a car.
00:39:58
Speaker
Sam did kill a rabbit. other than that, there was no farming content. But other than that, i this is the Emmerdale I want. yeah it was It was chilled. It was a lot of people doing a lot of wholesome things. There was obviously a level of confrontation, a level of, like I don't know, strange things going on and criminal activity.
00:40:22
Speaker
But there was also a lot of lightness. There was depth of characters that we don't get much these days. And I enjoyed it. So... recommend to go and enjoy that that it might cool you down in the heat wave yeah do it at your leisure but also probably make sure you do it in the heat wave because it will bring balm to your soul in a way that i personally can't um are you gonna put the youtube link in the show notes or indeed i could because i think it is my turn to oh yeah i think you will take over for a yeah am i gonna get my permission to put the youtube link in the show notes
00:40:55
Speaker
yeah and And we still have on the back burner, we will do the Hot and Bad Pass Crash week at some point, but we like we don't have time to watch five episodes before we do this. I'm on a one day slash sort of like 18 hour break between two kids camps, which I really enjoyed you saying with love and light, what is wrong with you? I don't have time to be watching sort of the, what would it be? five or six episode run up to the Hot and Bad Pass Crash. Another time, i would genuinely enjoy investing that sort of time and energy into it.
00:41:25
Speaker
But we'd still love to know other any other special episodes you'd like us to cover. um And maybe one day we'll do it. Yeah, maybe one day. Yeah, tinglealltheway.pod.gmail.com. Maybe if you want to be a guest to talk about an episode, let you know throw that in there. love that. Something to consider. Yeah, that would be really nice. We're going be off off air for a bit after this because I'm going away. For once, it's me that is the problem. It's not a problem. Don't mark it a problem because I'll feel like a problem. And then we're going to cover, I guess, like a month of episodes or something. It's going hectic.
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah, it is a shame that I'm going away the first time that Cami gets a storyline, but, you know, never mind it. Oh, I adore that man. good. So hopefully that storyline will not be long over by the time I come back.
00:42:12
Speaker
Fingers crossed. Great. Well, happy Christmas, everyone, I suppose. Happy Christmas, happy heatwave. Wishing you well. Happy blessing. And also with you.