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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 12 | Giving Thanks
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On Episode 12 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we sit down and talk about all we're thankful for.
Beer of the Week (Rusty Rail Waffle Sauce): http://www.rustyrailbrewing.com/brews/waffle-sauce-maple-pecan-imperial-brown-ale/page.aspx?id=2414
Tool of the Week (Wiha 26-in-1 Screwdriver): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J92O23U/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=greenestreetj-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01J92O23U&linkId=0389dad6e931e73afc79e7fa615260f0
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Transcript
Episode Introduction
00:00:22
Speaker
Welcome to The Big Show. What number is this, Rich? This is podcast number 12. The American Craftsmen Podcast. I got it right. I haven't practiced since I was away. It's good to be back.
Personal Updates & Teasers
00:00:39
Speaker
I was away for a weekend, a week, because of my
00:00:44
Speaker
injury to my foot that it was happened in, I'm not going to say it happened in Vegas, but somebody told me it would happen in Vegas. Oh yeah. If you want to hear that story, sign up on our Patreon page. We talked about it last week. Doesn't that stay in Vegas? Isn't that the catchphrase? Well, obviously I thought it stayed in Vegas until I had the list of the Patreon podcasts and realized that nothing's sacred. I think your tendon stayed in Vegas.
00:01:13
Speaker
Well, welcome, everybody. It's good to be back. I hope everybody's having a great weekend, a week.
Thanksgiving Theme & Movember Update
00:01:19
Speaker
Thanksgiving week.
00:01:21
Speaker
Yeah, if you're listening to this, maybe Thanksgiving morning. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, and today we're going to change it around a little bit. Instead of a gripe of the week, we're going to have what we're thankful for. That's right. Which I think is as good at this time and this stage in our lives or this 2020 to where it's going. Yeah, we probably don't give thanks enough. Exactly.
00:01:45
Speaker
Well, we got to shout out to the Movember has done real well. And in fact, I actually said this before, I thank the person who donated, anonymous donor, who brought us up to what, $480 there? Yeah, so we're 20, $20 away. So we're quite short of our goal.
00:02:03
Speaker
And as you could see, well, this looks like I normally look don't want to look stiff in his Rob He's got some kind of peach going on going on under his lip, which I can't wait for November to be over So yeah, so anybody out there we just need 20 bucks and we'll hit our goal Yeah, 20 you give a dollar. Yeah, great. Yeah, perfect
00:02:30
Speaker
And hey, thanks to David from DWS Remodeling on Instagram. We got our shirts. Yeah, actually a whole one up. I have mine right here.
00:02:40
Speaker
You got heels on the back of your jacket. That's right. Well, yeah, Chad. I mean, none of us, we haven't worn them yet. Nice. Thank you, Dave. It's D.W.'s remodeling. Did I say that? You said D.W.S., but I see the apostrophe. That's his Instagram handle. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got it right. He's in Frisco, Texas. Hope you're a cowboy fan. Yeah. Better than an Eagles fan.
00:03:04
Speaker
Yeah. I know Frisco. I know Frisco. You've been everywhere. I've been to Frisco. You've been everywhere. Yeah, thanks David. Dave's a nice guy. Yeah, really appreciate it. And you know, you guys out there who've got your own t-shirts, don't let David show you up now. Yeah, I know. We could do a t-shirt swap. Two lodge, one extra lodge. There you go. There you go.
00:03:28
Speaker
The next part I'll leave up to Jeff because he's more in touch of what's going on with this This nest next project
Community Engagement & Events
00:03:35
Speaker
of us. So I'll let you take Jeff take this away Yeah, so some of you may have seen I was posting about on Instagram We forgot to mention it last week If you watch the podcast or listen to the podcast last week, you see that we kind of without rich We were like all over the place. We forgot the gripe of the week We didn't do the tool of the week till the very last thing we like
00:03:56
Speaker
I don't know what the hell is going on so we totally forgot to mention this last week so we're doing a I had the idea to do this Secret Santa I saw
00:04:10
Speaker
On Facebook, I think, somebody was doing something similar with women to women kind of thing. So I said, why can't us woodworkers, carpenters, all these guys that kind of make sawdust, why can't we do the same thing? So the idea is you sign up. It's over on our website. Go to the navigation bar. You'll see Secret Santa 2020. Just click on there and fill it out. All the details are there.
00:04:37
Speaker
So it'll be a 25 US dollar gift. You could spend more than that if you want, but keep it even.
Expressions of Gratitude
00:04:45
Speaker
Make sure it's at least 25 so you're not ripping off the guy that got you. The signups closed November 29th at midnight, which I'm now realizing
00:04:56
Speaker
What I what I really meant is November 29th at 11 59 p.m. Because that's the end of the day not the beginning of the day so Yeah, so you'll get assigned someone and you send them a gift and somebody will send you a gift All right, and if you get us yeah, so if you get us we're gonna All three of us are gonna send you something so you'll get three twenty five dollar gifts exactly you only got to send us one right yeah, yeah
00:05:26
Speaker
Actually, we have a and then I don't know if he wanted to stay anonymous. I'll say he's anonymous at this point Gentlemen who he's gonna be giving away to $25 gift certificates to our website. Yeah, so you can get some You know a t-shirt some blue caps and just the first time here in this too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we don't forget on everything We already told you you forgot
00:05:57
Speaker
It's true, it's true. This is going back. This is going back before your surgery. I don't remember this. Yeah. No, you know what? I'm not buying it. It's that anesthesia. I'm not buying it. I'm going to record it now. From now on, I'm going to record everything that goes on.
00:06:11
Speaker
They have rich on some heavy meds. If he says something outlandish today, just excuse me. It's not rich. Oh, no, we've told you. Yeah. Oh, must be medication. You guys got minds like steel traps when we can. You know, just been talking this up all early afternoon here and it's time for the introduction of the beer of the week. Yes. Yes. I was hoping to get something that was kind of Thanksgiving theme, maybe a turkey flavored beer.
00:06:41
Speaker
Oh, bacon flavored beer. Yeah. I've seen like the soda, the ranch dressing soda. People have tasted that. I didn't have tasted it, but I had people that have tasted it. Yeah, I've never had it. It sounds foul. So here, I'll show you guys what I got. I guess, I mean, I guess it kind of is Thanksgiving themed. I just saw it and it was like, well, this kind of is appropriate. Does it have a turkey on the label? No.
00:07:09
Speaker
a pilgrim no so this is from a brewery called rusty rail brewing rusty rail and the beer is called waffle sauce
00:07:31
Speaker
Oh, okay. This is a maple pecan imperial brown ale. Or pecan. Do you say pecan or pecan? I say pecan. Yeah, I say pecan. Unless I want to be impressive, I say pecan. Yeah, I think it kind of depends on what I'm talking about. Let's say tomato, tomato. Like pecan pie? Pecan pie. Yeah, see, it's like, it depends on what you're talking about. You might say it one way or the other.
00:07:55
Speaker
I say pecan, as I said, unless I want to impress somebody. Yeah. And I say pecan. I don't know. What if you're in Savannah? Yeah, I know. Rusty Rail Brewing. Imperial Pecan Imperial or Maple Pecan Imperial Brown Ale. Where's it come from? It's from Mifflinburg, Pennsylvania. Mifflinburg! Brewing boldly in the heart of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania drivers, stay off our roads, please. Dunder Mifflinburg. Hope you're not an Eagle fan.
00:08:27
Speaker
He's looking at you. Doesn't smell very much like maple. Oh, it's maple-y. Oh, yeah. Mm. Tastes like something. Doesn't taste like maple, though. No, that tastes like maple to me. Yeah, it's like cough medicine. It's not great so far. Alcohol, eight percent by volume. It better be. Yeah, Rob snuck like a nine percent beer in here last week.
00:08:55
Speaker
And we sucked them down in about 15 minutes. Yeah, I noticed he's also a little giddy. That's why we went three hours, I guess. And we had a second one in the Patreon podcast. Yeah. That's when things got out of control.
Tool of the Week & Shop Tips
00:09:08
Speaker
Yeah. But things were said that shouldn't have been said. Not going anywhere. We did. We did pay to play some secrets. All right. Well, we got next we got.
00:09:19
Speaker
The tool of the week. Oh, the tool of the week. I was going to add a real good tool of the week, but I was vetoed on this. But so I had to come up with my secondary tool of the week. So. It's my trusty. We are screwdriver. German made. As all the bits in it.
00:09:46
Speaker
Yeah, I love that thing. I think they call it a 26 in one, right? Yeah, 26 in one. It's very handy. See, it's double sided, right? Yeah, exactly. You just loosen it up like that, pull it out, flip it over. Even as a posi drive bit, which is I was kind of surprised you don't you don't see those a lot, but this has a posi drive bit. Looks like somebody's been using this and damaged this piece there. I don't know anything about that.
00:10:16
Speaker
Yes, this is my I have another we're a screwdriver as a backup. I have two of those one at home. And because you know what at home, I got screwdrivers all over the place and they're always flat heads. And I don't know why I collected them. But now I just bought one. I threw them all out and just kept keep the one screwdriver around. Why is that two of the week as opposed to just the tool? What makes it so special?
00:10:45
Speaker
because I love German tools. There you go. And this is very affordable. It's very well made. As I said, got that slow motion tab that opens up to my 26 different bits that I could use. And that's about it. And actually spins around too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. German made bits too.
00:11:10
Speaker
They have a couple different versions of it like with different different kinds of bits. Yeah. I think because I have that same one. They call that like the tradesmen tradesmen. Yeah. They have a technician, which I think has more like electrical kind of focus bits.
00:11:28
Speaker
Well, I had a better tool of the week, but... Go ahead and talk about it. No, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not going to talk about it at the Patreon podcast. Okay. The bonus footage. Have you paid for that? No. Have you paid? Yeah, we're... No. You pay with blood, sweat, and tears. Oh, don't you remember I paid? Blood, sweat, and tears. Oh, yeah, you forgot. I remember. You remember, don't you?
00:11:51
Speaker
Where am I right now? It's on the tool of the week. Tool of the week by Weha. Screwdriver. Put a link for it down in the description. I actually really endorse that as well. I don't have one because I just borrow riches. Yeah, I can tell. There's a pattern in that train of thought. Yeah. That's why I like to do things around here. I know we should have locked up my bench. Yeah, around Christmas time too, you see a lot of sales going on those.
00:12:18
Speaker
Is Wiha the one that does the calendar? Or is that Wira? The advent calendar? I think that's Wira. Yeah. Yeah. Wiha might make one too. I think a lot of those German companies do that. The advent calendar seems like kind of like a German thing for some reason. Yeah.
00:12:34
Speaker
All right, well, what are we up to now? This is what we're thankful for. Yeah, we're going to talk about what we're thankful for. Are we going to take the listener submissions first? No, we'll do that. You can do that. So we'll talk about what we're thankful for. Yeah, I mean, that's the order that's written on this list. All right.
00:12:55
Speaker
So you want to start first? I'm not thankful for anything anymore. I came here thankful about a lot of things, but then I realized that I'm just not thankful. No, I'm thankful for a lot of things. I'm going to start with my family, my wife, my four kids, Ricky, Lauren, Danny, Kendall, my three grandkids, Gracie, Nate and Balaki or Blake.
00:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm just Being laid up these last couple of days has really made me Think about a lot of things and I'm thankful that I have my health There are a lot other people worse off than I am who had their legs amputated and just
00:13:48
Speaker
Can't walk anymore, but I have a small injury. I should be thankful for everything. I can't complain about anything anymore. And I have a habit of being a little bit of a complainer as people have known me. But what? So I'm going through an epiphany. And I also I'm thankful for my my two partners here to my right.
00:14:18
Speaker
Mr. Rifflin, Mr. Green. Now my two partners here, if we can get together, we wouldn't be here. And I'm thankful for everything they do and and help out
Integrity & Brand Loyalty Discussion
00:14:33
Speaker
and how we mesh nice together. So those are the things I'm thankful for. I'll probably have some more later on. But yeah, I have to drink. That's a good start. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll
00:14:47
Speaker
What's the word I'm looking for? Sort of ride your coattails there. Definitely, you know, very thankful for you guys. I'm, you know, definitely blessed to be able to work a place like this and do what we do. I'm thankful for you guys putting up with my bullshit all the time. No. Certainly a difficult... I think we could all say that. And it rings just as true.
00:15:15
Speaker
You know, thankful for my wife, my son, Hunter, Allie and Hunter, my family, my health, everything. So thankful for everybody out there that, you know, takes the time to listen to the podcast, reach out, ask questions. I'm thankful for all the listeners.
00:15:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's a cool, you know, cool thing every week to hear from people and interact with people from Europe and Australia. Yeah. It's amazing. Except that one character from keyboard. We don't want to hear him. Hippity bippity. You know what I'm talking about. Union Beach. Yeah. Union Beach.
00:15:56
Speaker
Oh, well, at least up to you, Rob. Well, you know, I have to mirror all the standard things that we're, we're all equally thankful for our friends and our family. And, you know, my wife, Andre and my dogs, Sammy, Zuma, we got our a great house here, my health,
00:16:19
Speaker
You know, it's it's hard to, if you really give it a lot of thought, not be thankful for for so much. Even in, you know, 2020, in the midst of the pandemic, these tumultuous times where, you know, you find people so divided over issues and
00:16:42
Speaker
you know seemingly ordinary events sit back and you go man. Life is life is pretty good and in fact.
00:16:55
Speaker
Almost a day doesn't go by where I say, I can't believe I made it this far. I can't believe I own my own home. I open the refrigerator and it's like, hmm, what do I want to eat? And the rice came sandwiches in there. There's no ice cream sandwiches, but there is some devilishly
Woodworking Community & Collaboration
00:17:15
Speaker
good ice cream in there. And we always have plenty of treats. My wife is some treat shopper. So, you know,
00:17:25
Speaker
I'm thankful for all these things in a way that I can't even measure because I didn't plan on any of this. The idea of having a business and then finding real partners to have a business with because that's what we're really lucky enough to have. That's why it works.
00:17:47
Speaker
all the kidding and the joking and sometimes friction and some. But that's all normal. When you have a partner in life, whether it's business or personal, that's what makes it good because we're always challenging each other, supporting each other. I'm just thankful for all that stuff, the ability to sit here and and speak my mind.
00:18:16
Speaker
have a good time. So that's just a start for us.
Tool Preferences & Practical Debates
00:18:25
Speaker
We're just thankful for everything that's come our way. And even some of the hard times, some of the bad things that have taught us lessons
00:18:36
Speaker
Whether it's teaching us that we can overcome things teaching us how to overcome things So Thank you Thank you to the spirits. So yeah, it's a long list
00:18:50
Speaker
Yeah, it is. There's so much to be thankful for. I mean, you can get through this year. Yeah, this thing's got to be looking rosy after this f in 2020. Hopefully. Don't get your hopes up. Yeah, I mean, it's been a trying time. But, you know, for us, we've we've weathered it pretty well. Yeah. You know, we've known a few people that have gotten sick, nobody that's, you know, been gravely ill.
00:19:19
Speaker
And we have a really good little situation here. So we're able to keep working, stay somewhat isolated. And yeah, I mean, we'd love to hear from more you out there how you're how you're making out. And you want to, you know, pop some of these listener submissions in. Yeah, this is great. These are pretty good. That's all you can start.
00:19:43
Speaker
Before we get into that, I want to say our buddy Manny. You know, we're thankful for, you know, all the favors you've ever done us. That's right. And we know that you're always doing favors for other people. So we wanted to show you a little thanks. We got a little something coming your way. So keep an eye out on I think Tuesday. Yeah, it's coming to the shop. So don't let somebody get their greedy hands on it. Yeah, they're greasy hands. It's not a case of wine.
00:20:12
Speaker
Yeah, so it should go unnoticed. So we have our listener submissions. Yeah. Oh, that is tough. Yeah, I'm gonna come in a little early and say this beer is not very good. I'm hoping it'll get better. So Keith from two bit woodworks, he says he's thankful for his amazing family and friends and thankful for being a part of a great community.
00:20:40
Speaker
Keith, I hope you're doing well with your surgery. Hope everything's working out all right. Yeah. Hope the shoulder is feeling, uh, feeling okay. I'll second that. I mean, we actually talked about that a bit.
00:20:51
Speaker
when we were thinking about what we were going to do for the podcast this week. And Jeff and I were talking about how this is a this is a great. It's a really big net, too. It's not like a regular. It's a jumbo. This is a great community of woodworkers. We're all sort of in the same boat, you know, with these small businesses.
00:21:15
Speaker
We all deal with the same, you know, pitfalls. And rather than being, you know, ultra competitive, we're supportive of one another. And that's that's really, I think, even more rare than. Yeah, I think that's a very rare thing these days. Maybe it's the times it's just the way everybody can communicate easier with one another through social media and all that.
00:21:43
Speaker
It's not like the old days, you'd have to call the guy or see meet him at the bar or something like that. Now it's there's so much connection going on between people. That's great. I love it. I love that it's happening.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Ryan came by this morning. We chat with him for a bit. Ryan from Massey Carpentry. Actually, he's here on this list. Ryan is, he's thankful to be scheduled out for several months. Yeah, good for him. Yeah, congratulations, man. It's awesome. Yeah, he's working on a couple of doors. Yeah. Right down the block from us, actually. Yep. And
00:22:19
Speaker
I wasn't told this. So don't say to me that, yeah, you don't remember who Ryan is. The guy that came and picked up the cherry. Yeah, you know, Ryan. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Now I remember. It's all coming back to me. It's all coming back. The fog is lifting. He needed a couple of pieces to supplement this door. Very nice guy. Very nice guy. Get him. You got him? I don't know.
00:22:46
Speaker
Anyway, he's he's creating what, barn doors from French doors or is it right? So taking taking French doors and making them barn doors. Yeah. So he needed to add some stock to, I guess, the bottom of one of them. He needed some, you know, some thick wood cherry. No, we blew it up some maple for him. Nice.
00:23:08
Speaker
And and that's the way he popped in. Sent him on his way. He said, what do we owe you guys? What do I owe you guys? Nothing. That's. Yeah. He said told him to pay it forward. Pay it forward. There you go. That's nice. We got we got we have one in between there. This is from Tim at True Trade Carpentry, a fellow Jersey guy, family and friends and being able to do what I love with an exclamation point.
00:23:34
Speaker
Yeah, why not? Why not be thankful for that? Yeah. Tell us what's next, Rich. This is from Barry Conrad. Faster horses, older whiskey, younger women, more money, and my Martin guitar.
00:23:53
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder where Barry's from if he's from like Tennessee. Yeah, Kentucky. I'll have what he's having. Yeah. It'll be slower horses for me. I'd be thankful for that. And no wild younger woman. I think he means the horses he's betting on. I think so too. Okay, there you go. That's how detached from a horse I am.
00:24:19
Speaker
We have freehold Raceway right over here and at Monmouth Park, actually. What's the term I'm looking for? There's like a lot of horse racing and breeding and stuff sort of. That's right. There are horse farms in Middletown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the that one super famous horse that like bordered at Monmouth Park for a while. Yeah. The I don't know. I'd be lying if I told you. Yeah.
00:24:49
Speaker
That war horse horse from that World War two movie World War one Flicker Not to be confused with flipper, yeah, you know a little horse flicker
00:25:05
Speaker
No. It sounds familiar. Yeah, there's a story. They wrote a book about my horse Flippa. Oh, yeah, no. Well, I wasn't making it up. I remember Flippa. Flippa, yes. Rob only knows the book Italian Stallion. Yeah. Now, there's a horse. I think that was boarded in Staten Island. The Rocky story? Yeah.
00:25:27
Speaker
Behind a deli Where he got that from Ryan, he's got a lot of work scheduled up for next year We're gonna have to we're gonna have to ride his coattails into the new year Very good being healthy Randall from R&M RM craft sand customs
00:25:45
Speaker
Crafts and custom. Crafts and custom. Oh, crafts and custom. He doesn't make craft sand customs. Look at that. Ryan, how do you make craft sand? It's like at the fair when you get the bottle and you fill it up with the different colors. Aren't you glad you came back, Chris? You don't remember that sand art you used to get? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you pour in the different colors in the old Coke bottle.
00:26:08
Speaker
All right. I can't. There's no hyphenations there. All right. Kevin, I want to say it's Locke. I know you've we've said your name a couple of times on here. Let me know if we're saying it right. Kevin Locke, L.A. U.C.K. Health and family. Touche. Yeah. Oh, I'm embarrassed and humbled to read this next one from Neil from New England Treads.
00:26:34
Speaker
Your great podcast, giving me some goals to shoot for in the shop. Well, thanks, Neil. We're actually thankful for you. I thought that was new Wang Landtreads. Ain't no bum cover. In all seriousness, we are thankful for you doing this podcast, knowing that people are listening. I mean, it still kind of surprises us and we really get a kick out of it.
00:27:01
Speaker
when people write in and, you know, we try to get to every single, uh, inquiry question. Yeah. Take it.
00:27:13
Speaker
Oh, this is from a lady who we did a job for. Came from the Highlands. Thank you for transforming my spiral staircase into something that can actually show off. We did a job in Highlands. We replaced threads on a spiral.
00:27:32
Speaker
staircase using the bolted birch. Yeah. Russian ply, whiskey ply. Yeah. So I used to call it. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, we did. We we put out a couple of different options. We were was rich light. Yeah. Some Baltic white oak, white oak, hardwood treads of some sort. And she went for the. Yes, you know, Baltic, you know, the exposed. Yeah. 16 or 12 different plies. Yeah. Kind of that industrial look.
00:28:01
Speaker
Like Apple Play used to be. Yeah. Yeah. I think it came out. It came out nice. And I think it probably I mean, Rich Light would have been really cool. But with the the black steel. Right. Right. Spiral staircase. It looked look pretty sharp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Kim. I'm happy. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving.
00:28:21
Speaker
and we have one more from Brent at Blue Ridge Customs thankful for those who are willing to share and teach on Instagram yeah aren't we all yeah absolutely I mean we're still learning
00:28:37
Speaker
almost every day something new from online or you know somebody we met online that's happens to be local yeah it's a great resource and that goes back to um you know Keith and talking about the community that we're a part of and um it's it's great to be a part of the positivity that's going on in our community um
00:29:06
Speaker
you know, again, these are these are tougher times than a lot of us are used to seeing and bucking that trend is really a great feeling. I feel great after we do this podcast every week because I know there's there are folks out there that are enjoying it, whether it's just passing an hour or two while they're at work, you know, putting on the headphones and just sort of zoning out or every once in a while we have
00:29:35
Speaker
A kernel wisdom. Yeah. Sometimes not from us. We just pass on. Yeah. Right. And we've had some great guests. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's something to be thankful for. Right. All the great guests we've had in our little short career of podcasting.
00:29:53
Speaker
Um, yeah, we'll definitely have more too. We're kind of taking a break now with everything that's going on, uh, you know, with COVID. And so, um, you know, we'll probably, uh, stick to just the three of us for the next couple of weeks and see how things pan out. I know, uh, Ryan, we're hoping to have Ryan on and actually Tim. Um, and I mean, there's a lot of people we'd love to have on. So far we've had wild Willie. Yep. John Peters, Keith, buddy Manny.
00:30:24
Speaker
There was everybody. No, let's see. Well, Willie, we had John first. Then why? Yeah. All right. Seems like more. Yeah. Yeah. And we'd love to have any of those guys on again. That's for sure.
00:30:39
Speaker
So before we get too sappy, let's, let's get on to some of the, uh, the other questions, huh? Yeah. All right. I'm going to ask this first one from Jack at, uh, Jack Thornton 98. I guess that's on Instagram. All right, Jack, he's asking us, what are some essential work tools to carry in the apron?
00:31:04
Speaker
I carry a pencil, a number of pencils, tape measure and a little position square and a plane, a hand plane. That's what I carry. I travel. Yeah, I travel pretty late. I have a.
00:31:23
Speaker
A pencil, a white pencil, a sharpie, a precision square, a double square, usually a card scraper, and a little knife, and a big eraser.
00:31:39
Speaker
Which I think I think I actually may have taken that out. I haven't really been using a lot lately. Well, Jack, if you've been watching the show since maybe the beginning, it was maybe our first or second episode. I think I'm going to start with the apron itself, right?
00:31:56
Speaker
We all wear Calaverle leather aprons. They're they're pretty intense. They're all custom made by hand one at a time. So I'm going to start right there with our our full bib apron by organic animals.
00:32:11
Speaker
I don't know if they're organic. But essential, I mean, tape measure and pencil of choice. I take a lot of ribbing and I deserve it, but I like a nice little tape measure.
00:32:27
Speaker
So he can stick a lot of things in his bib. Yeah, I got a lot carry. I carry lots of little tools for my bib. I have a little 12 foot tape measure, a couple of mechanical pencils. I go for red and the regular lead. I have a double square, a little olfa knife. On occasion, I'll have an apron plane. I definitely have a couple of different bits.
00:32:55
Speaker
for the drivers in my pockets. And we all also have a key fob that turns on and off our dust collection system. So those are those are our essentials that we pretty much
00:33:10
Speaker
all have with us at any given point during the day. Yeah, because we're not far away from our benches. The shop's only 24 by 36. Yeah, when you're on an install, sometimes it's a little bit different. Yeah, you wear a like a carpenters. Yeah, babe. Carpenters usually pop out to more like a builder style belt. Yeah, I wear a tool belt if I'm
00:33:34
Speaker
Out on install because I you know, I don't carry a mallet on my apron. Yeah, if I'm out on an install I have either a mallet. Somebody carries a mallet on his apron now. I can't use a mallet that's small enough to go on an apron. He's Kleiner. Kleinerhammer. Kindehammer. Kindehammer. Yeah. That's right. Well, you know, you don't have to be jealous. You can get one. I'm not jealous. After your Christmas list. Yeah, and tape measure. I forgot to say tape measure. Yeah, yeah. But if you could only have two things, what would it be?
00:34:04
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Well, I think a tape and a pencil. You can't really do anything without that. All right. Three. What's your third? Knife. Knife. Yeah. Knife. Well, I could have the other things, but they just can't be in the apron. Yeah. Yeah. You just these are the three things you carry. The Veritas precision square. OK. Tape and pencil. I think I'd go tape, pencil and a knife.
00:34:28
Speaker
Okay, I would go with the double bevel or the double square. Double square. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've just been using it for so long. Yeah. Just force a habit.
00:34:39
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Yeah, that I mean, that Veritas precision square, maybe it's just me, but I use that thing for an ungodly stuff. I mean, it's exactly three quarters of an inch thick. So if you're like planning material, a three quarter, you can use it to get, you know, that's what that is. Yeah, I like that thing, too. Yeah, a little like it looks like a little framing square. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it in my top pocket. Yeah. Forget the knife.
00:35:04
Speaker
You know, they sell all these fancy depth gauges and stuff for like setting your table saw height. You don't need that. Just use it's little square. You can, you know, check things for square inside corners, outside corners. Yeah. I use my double square for all those things. But I have to say, even though I'm getting stronger prescriptions all the time, there's one side of that that I almost can't read at all because the double square. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a 60 force.
00:35:35
Speaker
Every time I pull it out, I got to flop it over now because that that side is almost useless. Yeah, it's like a it's like a machinist square almost. So it has really fun. It's just a blur on that side. All right, Rich, you want to read the next question? OK, what is your favorite shop made jig or what are your go to most used jigs?
00:36:05
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I seem to make a lot and the good ones are indispensable. This is from Miles from Eat Drink Wine Guy on Instagram. We've kind of touched on this subject before with the jigs. Again, we don't, we make jigs depending on the job.
00:36:26
Speaker
And the jigs that we've used, we've kind of stabilized and gotten more from outsourced companies. How could you say that? We don't have a sled anymore. We bought the table saw with a slider on it. Yeah, there's not too many jigs we have here. Again, it's based on the job, on what job we're working on.
00:36:53
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely agree. We don't use a whole lot of jigs because everything is so specific really. There's not a lot of overlap from job to job. I just made because the one that we had before was set up for the Delta and now we have the Unisaw or the, sorry, the SawStop.
00:37:14
Speaker
is a 45 degree miter sled. Yeah. So we're making these. They're actually sitting over here. Did a great job. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It worked out nicely. These, what do you call them? Window grills. So they fit over top of the inside of the window, you know, with the grid.
00:37:32
Speaker
So I had to make up a quick miter sled to do that. So that's something that'll stick around. We have a circle cutting jig for the bandsaw, which we use quite a bit. That's probably the answer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that I mean, we look around, there's not a whole lot.
00:37:50
Speaker
of jigs hanging up no well every time we make one that works really well for that specific job we we tend to keep it and then you know three or four months down the road we realize we're never going to use it again it's just taking up space and we wind up disposing we usually will repurpose it somehow
00:38:12
Speaker
I think we have more templates, I'll say, than jigs, and we don't even use those. Those are mostly holdovers from things like making guitar bodies and routing specific openings, you know, whether it be for an outlet or a pickup or something like that.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yeah, they they're so you don't think about it until the you're asked a question. I would say, oh, yeah, we use jigs all the time. Yeah, but really, they're all usually just a quick and dirty. Yeah. You know, like on the dado saw putting sacrificial fence with you might have a stop or, you know, we do stuff like that all the time. But typically they're just use it and then on to the next thing.
00:38:56
Speaker
I will say one thing that I use a lot, it's not really a jig, but the bench hook. Yeah. So, you know, hooks over the edge of your bench and then it has a stop parallel to that. Good for planing and sanding and routing, cutting, all kinds of stuff like that. Yeah.
00:39:15
Speaker
We're into little doodads. I mean, the other day when I was playing in those moldings, you made all those bench dogs for me and use those all day. I mean, so we like that kind of stuff. Yeah.
00:39:29
Speaker
Excuse me. This is from Wild Willy, this next question. One of our favorite guests. And it's a pretty interesting question and it can get pretty deep. Would you use a tool brand you don't like for a paycheck? I mean, everybody probably understands how that would work, right?
00:39:54
Speaker
Well, I'll tell you what I asked while, Willie. I said, how big is the chicken? Yeah. Yeah. Which is tongue in cheek. Yeah. What would it what would it take, Jeff? Let's say that and we'll use off maligned tool brand Ryobi as the prime example. Ryobi comes to us and they say, we really like what you guys are doing.
00:40:19
Speaker
We we follow you on Instagram. We'd like to outfit your whole shop if That's the only brand that you show, you know, we want to see that lime green logo and we want you to talk us up What's it what's your answer? Yeah, I couldn't do it not not with a brand like Ryobi What if they said?
00:40:42
Speaker
we're going to give you $100,000 a year to do it. See, the thing is, I don't think we could get our job done the way we do with a tool line like Ryobi. You know, I'm a big, if we're talking like, let's just talk cordless tools. I'm a Makita guy and a Bosch guy for the most part. If Milwaukee came in and said,
00:41:09
Speaker
You know, we'd like to set the shop up with all Milwaukee tools and we're going to give you guys a, you know, a $4,000 a month or a tool allowance. Yeah. Or no, or I'm saying a literal paycheck. Okay. Well, then there's something to be considered because at the end of the day, it's close enough.
00:41:28
Speaker
There's not really that much of a difference between your preferred battery platform and the other one. Right. It's all about very slight personal. I like the Makita track saw, but really, and I have the Makita router, but the Milwaukee router is a slightly better router, but I have the Makita because that's what I have. I have all the batteries and so.
00:41:51
Speaker
You know, it's a tough question because there's a lot to be considered if it was to ever come about. I'm certainly not going to use something I don't want to for money. Right. Because it really goes against everything that we sort of stand for. You definitely don't want to feel like you're selling out. Yeah. I mean, what is that? We could get into that because, you know, I come from a music background
00:42:20
Speaker
and so that's a particularly dirty phrase um and i would like to think that as i'm older now i would make a more um reason decision but we you guys know uh i've made some decisions in the past where i have been given the opportunity to do something that
00:42:45
Speaker
was a little distasteful for a lot of money and i didn't do it you want elaborate because i think it's it's pretty uh it's an i mean it's an interesting story and i think people would probably be hearing about it well as much as you're willing to tell when i was in my twenties um i was uh
00:43:03
Speaker
a singer-songwriter with a band in New York and a big label with a major distribution came to me. And in the 80s, this is the way the industry worked. You had to have backing from a major label because that's how things went. And for those not familiar with how the record industry worked at that time,
00:43:30
Speaker
A record label would sign an artist to a seven record deal. So that meant that they owned you for seven records. You had to give them your first seven records if they wanted, if they elected. And if they chose to drop you at any given point, they could do that as well. So it was a really one-sided type of thing.
00:43:54
Speaker
And then they would once they signed you, they held all the power they would give you. They would assign a producer. They would tell you which recording studio you're going to. They would have a big hand in selecting the music for the record, the single, the artwork, all sorts of stuff they had control over. And they really lorded it over the artists.
00:44:24
Speaker
saying well, you know, you can go back to playing at Seabees and You know the bitter end and and go to work or live on, you know some girls couch or you could take our deal
00:44:37
Speaker
So I was presented with an offer and they really chat you up. You know, you're the best thing since sliced bread and you go into the offices and everybody treats you like you're Elvis. And it's kind of a special feeling. And, you know, after being unknown for your whole life, you're kind of wondering, is this real?
00:45:04
Speaker
And then, of course, comes the gut punch where they say, you know, Rob, we test marketed this particular song and we want four more just like this. And you say, well, that's not really what I want to sound like. But you know, you think about it and you go, well, how bad could that really be?
00:45:31
Speaker
And while you're thinking about it, they give you a call and they go, you know, Rob, we're just not comfortable with the lyrics of song A and song B. Could you change some of those lyrics? And that's the type of chilling effect that
00:45:50
Speaker
You know the record label could have on an artist and all of a sudden I was starting to to doubt who I was and why I did this and why I did that and the end of the day I realized that You know, I didn't want maybe the only record I'd ever get a chance to make because you're only guaranteed one record in these deals the first record
00:46:15
Speaker
I wanted to be proud of it. I wanted to be able to show all my friends and Colleagues like look this is this is a record. I made that's that's me and this is my band and these are the songs I wrote So the the great fear was you know
00:46:34
Speaker
being attached to something that I couldn't be proud of and would maybe be embarrassed of and then never getting another shot to redeem myself. So, it didn't happen and they closed down the steel gate and Electric Lady Studio was off the block and everybody who, you know, would want to be my friend, stop returning my calls, just like you might imagine in like a satirical movie.
00:47:02
Speaker
Everybody stopped knowing me was like from walking down, you know, six damn. Hey, Rob, how's it going to like people running away? Blackwiston. Yes. So that's the long story. And I guess the short story is I guess I couldn't take money for something that I didn't believe in.
00:47:26
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean that story draws a lot of parallels with our business because I mean there's plenty of jobs that we... You don't do them. Right, we either flat out say that we don't want to do them or sort of just design our way out of it.
00:47:43
Speaker
To sort of put it nicely, I mean. Chip away at that stone. Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. Like, do I want to get paid to use a Ryobi drill versus a Makita? And do I want to build a Home Depot cabinet? Right. Or do I want to build a Green Street cabinet?
00:48:01
Speaker
for money. I don't want to build the Home Depot cabinet, so I'm not going to take the money for it. And we're not obstinate or condescending about it. We really do believe we have the client's best interest always at heart. And we believe that there's a way to marry the two things, our artistic and ethical values.
00:48:27
Speaker
and give the client what they want at or around their their their price point. That's something that we really work very, very hard to do. Right, Rich? Yeah. Yeah. I would go back to this question now. I wouldn't sell myself to the devil.
00:48:47
Speaker
That's kind of it. It's a tough thing to do when you're first starting out. I could see people getting swayed and saying, yeah, well, okay, I'll do it. I don't want to do it.
00:49:04
Speaker
you know what I gotta make I gotta eat this week or I gotta feed the family this week and people might make that decision so I can't I can't make that decision I can't criticize people that do that because they don't know what the circumstances are we're not I personally can't do that yeah but I yeah that but we have a different
00:49:25
Speaker
feeling towards this. I mean, we have a different perspective towards this, but a young person coming in that they would offer the chance to say, oh, you could sponsor. We're always going to sponsor. We'll give you everything. And yeah, it's a slippery slope, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, when does
00:49:43
Speaker
When does that when does it start swaying your opinion and you start giving a false narrative as to the reality of the tool? That's the thing. That's my point of contention is.
00:49:57
Speaker
Ryobi pays us to use their tools. Well, even if they don't explicitly say, you have to say that these are good tools. Well, I feel obligated because I'm being paid. I'm a company man. I want to do good by the company. Right. It's not as if Ryobi is not coming to us to give us
00:50:15
Speaker
tools in secret. We don't work in this clandestine bat cave and nobody knows we're using them. So we're implying that we're using these tools to make our products. So if you want to make products like us,
00:50:35
Speaker
Use Ryobi tools. Yeah. So yeah, you're right. It's dishonest because we wouldn't really use them if we weren't paid to. And we might be giving out bad advice, like advice that we wouldn't give under different circumstances. Yeah, it's just untrue. Yeah.
00:51:01
Speaker
Because I'm not going to recommend Ryobi tools to anyone. Right. So it's like a spokesperson on TV. Oh, you see that Ryobi glue gun. I do have. I will recommend the Ryobi glue gun. Hot glue gun. Hot glue gun. Yeah. Hot glue gun. We've said that's the outlier of the tool line. But again, it's one of those things where that might come out if it comes out once a week. It's lucky. And believe me, it's not once a week. It's maybe once a month. When it does come out, it'll come out maybe a couple of times in a week.
00:51:30
Speaker
And it's fine for that. But a drill that I use every day, the Ryobi's not going to cut it. And even if it physically could keep up with the work, it doesn't feel right in your hand. It feels like you're holding a brick. It's heavy. It's clunky and clumsy. I mean, we've used them in the past. So these are not opinions we've formed just because we think it's
00:51:53
Speaker
Not a good tool. It's just not it isn't a good tool for us. Right. And it's not just because it's the cheap one. Right. It's just because it's just not. The ergonomics are kind of wrong. Yeah. I mean, we worked in a shop that had all 18 volt Ryobi drills and a couple of like the super cheap Porter cables mixed in.
00:52:14
Speaker
orders Chicago pneumatic's from Harbor Freight. Yeah. Or Harbor Freight, some people may call it. I mean, I brought in my own drills to use because they're just, it makes, makes a difference. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just nice to have nice tools. You know, that brings up a question that I'm going to bring up on the, the Patheon, uh, part of the broadcast about this. So remind me. Yeah. Maybe remind me about this subject.
00:52:40
Speaker
Actually, I want to say I was talking with Willie about it last night. I guess I won't say the name of the company. It's a what I guess used to be a very high end hand tool company, which is now owned by or owns a power tool company. You probably know who I'm talking about. I haven't owned any of their tools. I've looked at some of the older stuff on eBay and almost bought it, but
00:53:07
Speaker
You know, they have this guy on Instagram who I don't know, I don't follow him. He might be a nice guy and a good woodworker for all I know, but using this $400 miter gauge on a rigid job site table saw. So they send this guy a $400 miter gauge and he's using it on a $400 table saw. That makes sense. So it just, you know, the prospect of
00:53:36
Speaker
taking tools, free tools or tools for money. It just it comes with a lot of. I don't know. You know, my Uncle John used to say, nothing's for nothing. Yeah. You got to pay somewhere, right? Yeah. Right, Rich? Oh, yeah. The old old expression, you got to pay the ferryman, you know, to get across sticks. Yeah, coin on each eye. Yeah.
00:54:07
Speaker
So hopefully we answered your question. Hopefully we didn't go too off back. You know we digress so that if you've been listening. You could ask a question about this, we're gonna be over there. Yeah.
00:54:20
Speaker
Who we got next? Adam at Far Out Woodworks, what's he want to know? Adam wants to know, do you have any tips or tricks for organizing your shop? Well, this is somewhat appropriate, right? What did you just pick up in the mail?
00:54:40
Speaker
Oh, my screw box? Yeah, so I got a new truck recently, so I was switching around some tools and trying to pare down what I have. I had a couple of those Bosch L boxes, the ones that, you know, clicked together and they're all beat up and starting to break and I'm just not a big fan of how they work.
00:55:02
Speaker
So I bought a sustainer screw box, so I was putting that together and reorganizing our, we have a drawer full of screws. So going through that, moving things around, getting things all labeled. So that's definitely, I think, a big tip. Label as much as you can and separate out, you know, things that don't go together.
00:55:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Get rid of things you don't use. The purge. Yeah, definitely purge often and. Yeah, you know, sometimes it's cheaper to to buy something again, not like a, you know, small tools and stuff like that, but to buy something again, then to continually move it around and have it in your way. We have a couple of auxiliary sheds.
00:55:51
Speaker
the red shed the tool shed the wood shed the yellow shed the trailer the trailer and and things usually get outsourced if they're coming out like the the the pocket hole um machine and and things like that for you know drilling pockets for the hinges
00:56:12
Speaker
Um, that goes into the red shed because it'll come out for a job and get used in a few days. And then we don't need it taking up space. We don't have an unlimited amount of space. Yeah. Yeah. Like the painting supplies. They're not in the shop. Yeah. Cause we, we hardly ever paint. Right. So when we paint comes in either in a tote, you know, the sprayer is on its own rolling, uh, little cabinet kind of deal. So it comes in, it gets used when we're done, goes back out.
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah, you have anything tips or tricks? We actually we talked about this in length at other times, too, about whether you've put your stuff in drawers or doors. I mean, it's the same concept. Whatever you feel comfortable, organize yourself the way you're going to feel comfortable. Drawers make the best, better sense because they roll out and you could see in there.
00:57:07
Speaker
Doors and other cans, you got to bend down, look and see. Sometimes that piece you want is all the way in the back. You got to dig your hands in there to get it out. So me, I personally, I'd rather go with something with a lot of bank of drawers and organize my things that way.
00:57:21
Speaker
Yeah. I think what we were alluding to was staying clean is one of the things, you know, try and put the tools away, keep the shop clean as possible during the workday. Just keep, you know, the most essential stuff out in the arena of work. And lean. Yeah. Don't be a collector.
00:57:44
Speaker
That's that's a separate thing if you if you're a collector or pack rat have a separate room for it Bridge is a king of organization. I'm not even here So so that would be our tips, you know, basically Stay on top of it. You know, don't let it get get to be too much and to be overwhelming. That's for sure
00:58:11
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say a tip for getting organized. Like, let's say so we we did a big shop sort of overhaul and organization at the what the end of last year, beginning of this year, basically a year ago in the winter. We built like a sanding cart and oh, yeah, six months later, tore it apart and redid it because it just it it didn't really work the way
00:58:37
Speaker
Yeah. Well, also we thought, wow, if it's just an inch taller, it'll line up with this and make that possible. So that's what we did. Yeah. So don't dive headfirst into building an organizational cart or cabinet.
00:58:57
Speaker
Maybe start with the carcass, put your stuff in it, see where it's going to go, live with it for a couple of weeks because you might build all these drawers and doors and put this here and that there. And then two weeks later, you realize this does not work and you sank all this time and effort into it. So maybe start with like a rough draft kind of build and then finalize. Don't put your dividers and stuff in the drawers right away. That's good.
00:59:23
Speaker
All right. Well, this one's, this one could cause some friction here. This next question, uh, Jackie's a frequent flyer. Jack Thornton, 98. He wants to know Phillips square head or star screws slotted for exposed. Always. Jack likes to say, yeah, I don't know about the electricians use slotted all the times on the, all the, uh, plugs and all that or the outlet covers.
00:59:53
Speaker
I think he means like when we were doing the confessionals and we did use. No. Did we use slotted on those with the brass washes and stuff? Those were Phillips? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was thinking the hinges. Yeah, those were slotted. I don't remember. No, they were Phillips, I think. Were they? Yeah.
01:00:11
Speaker
No, they weren't. They were slaughtered because I remember I went in there and I pushed, pulled them all. Oh, yeah, we did. We learned them all. I learned them all. Yeah, it's called clocking. Yeah. Clocking your screws. Do you guys clock your screws? I did then. Yeah. That one. Because I remember I changed them while I was in there doing that.
01:00:34
Speaker
But I don't use it for a lot of joinery. I basically use square drives or stars. Phillips. Pick one. Square. Square. Yeah. Or the combo one that'll take both of them.
01:00:50
Speaker
Yeah. I'm going to say square. Um, I think I could be converted to a star, but you know, we only have those one or two sizes. Usually they're those really long ones. Or when we did the deck, that was like a star. Wasn't it? Or was that? Yeah. The camo screws. That's a story. I really enjoyed those. Um, but if I had to choose between square and Phillips, I would go with the square head.
01:01:19
Speaker
Yeah, I like Phillips. Oh, I like a straight Phillips, though, not a combo, because I feel like the combo sort of doesn't work as well. It's two things that aren't as good as the individuals. Yeah. You know, I pre drill everything, so it's what do they call it? Caming out hasn't really been an issue. If you're using a good bit, it's not an issue.
01:01:45
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, I work with square as a as a carpenter for a long time. And I just I don't know. I prefer the Phillips. I like star on like the G.R.K. cabinet screws. Yeah. I like Phillips because you can clock the screws, too. Yeah. So you get them nice. Could the square. Yeah. Square a little more difficult to clock them up. You square. I like that, Rich. I like that. Square it up. There you go.
01:02:14
Speaker
I don't know, man. It's actually looking, you know, we need to get some more screws. And McFeely's is who we get our screws from. They happen to be sold out of the inch and a half screws. They're having a little Black Friday sale. Shit. Yeah, because now we're pretty much trying to keep everything America made. Yeah, they've been using SPACs. It's not easy, but. Yeah, because they're made in America. Yeah, designed in Germany, made in America. We have a lot of the McFeely's
01:02:45
Speaker
I don't know what they call those, just the regular sort of construction screw, not construction screw, an interior screw. You know, I don't know if it's just me. I mean, I've been using those. I mean, I don't even remember when I started using them. That's how long ago it was.
01:03:02
Speaker
I feel like the quality isn't as good. Like the the head shape isn't as horrible, totally accurate as it used to be. Square, their combo head, the square fits like shit and the Phillips like shit. Yeah. And they. And I've never I've never had. Crisper. Yeah, I never had them stripped before. And these these strip.
01:03:27
Speaker
It's like they're not deep enough. Yeah. Like the, you know, the bit doesn't get enough purchase. And were they manufactured?
01:03:35
Speaker
I don't know. I'm going to assume China. Yeah. As you know, that's probably it. They may not have been at one point or, you know, which is sometimes more common. The parent company, which is probably an American company, says these are the standards we want you to build to so that we can save a tenth of a penny on every screw. Well, there's the other question. That's another good for the Patreon. Can can manufacturing come back?
01:04:04
Speaker
in the United States. Oh, man. We got a lot to cover in 10 minutes. Yeah, that's that's that's another subject by itself. Yeah. I don't know if we can. I really don't know if we can. But I'm going to leave it at that for now. It's a little teaser. All right. So maybe you can start asking those questions for another podcast and we can make that discussion because that's that's going to be an interesting subject.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah. Now those SPAC screws as I'm yesterday reconnoitering that drawer, we had some three by three inch by number 10 or something open up the boxes and they had a bit. They're Philips, number two Philips. That fit was so tight. Rob saw me. I'm over here holding the screw just in the bit and shaking it like this. No magnet. Would not fly off.
01:04:49
Speaker
Just a little one inch bit by itself. So there actually I was in a comment thread on Travis tools by design. He had posted a like sort of like a little meme. It was carpenter and it was a guy just how was it?
01:05:06
Speaker
It was like different, different people running screws in. It was like a landlord and he like ran it in halfway and then like painted over it. Carpenter like ran it in. You have to go watch it. But, you know, these guys, I somehow got sucked in because I had commented and somebody replied and another guy started replying. They're fighting over people using drywall screws as, you know, construction screws.
01:05:32
Speaker
and about how, well, if I'm building something that's only going to last this long, I'll use a cheap screw. Well, who decides at the beginning of a project that there's this finite lifespan of their job? I mean, that's quite a... I don't want to say it, but... Well, and who has the time to be picking and choosing what kind of screws you're using for what? Just buy one type of screw and use it.
01:06:00
Speaker
They don't cost anything. They're three cents a piece. That's, you know, kind of the joke is let's look into that guy's toolbox and see if he actually has the screws for his jobs that he, you know, pre-determents will last 10 years as opposed to three. What do they say? Penny smart, dollar dumb. Yeah.
01:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, I guess. Something like that. All right. Next question, please. I guess I got this one. Yeah. How do you guys assemble face frames on cabinets from terraformwoodworking.co on Instagram? Yeah.
01:06:40
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Well, it depends if it's hidden, the sides are hidden, pocket screws. Before that, I used if there was not, I'd use biscuits and glue them and clamp them. Yeah, that's what I would put them on. I think he's asking how do we assemble that actual face frame? Not to the cabinet, but the face frame itself. Oh, the face frame itself. Pocket screws.
01:07:06
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Yeah, that's pretty much it. You know that end grain to side grain joint isn't that strong, but with a pocket screw it's not going to move.
01:07:20
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Clamp it up, line it up right. Just don't put that one clamp on. I think it's going to hold it. And when you screw in, so. Yeah. And if you're using Craig, Craig pocket holes, it's going to move. Yeah, they always move. Those the castle holes are much better. I wish we had a castle machine. We have the the nice Chinese made Craig that we actually got for free from Craig. I won it at a thing I went to. We sold out then.
01:07:48
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No, I won it. It was a prize. OK, that's different. They were supposed to give us that janky track saw that they make. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, they didn't have it. Yeah, that's a that's a pretty quick, straightforward answer. We we make them with the pocket holes. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people use dominoes.
01:08:10
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I don't really see the need. It's not a structural joint. It's going to be literally attached to a cabinet. Yeah. There may be applications where you have a face frame that's not supported behind. Well, and it's definitely a good idea there if you're going to see the back and you don't want a pocket hole. Yeah. You know, visible.
01:08:31
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Yeah, we take all that into consideration. We wouldn't, you know, put a pocket hole where it's going to be unsightly or anything like that where people could actually see it and we go with something else. You know, then there's any any number of choices.
01:08:48
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Yeah. All right. Terraform. I have a pedal that's called Terraform. Hmm. Yeah. By Wampler. Oh, yeah. USA. I know about Wampler. I didn't even play guitar. Yeah. OK. Is that Judge Wampler? Yeah. Wampler. Like Judge Wampler. Like our waffle sauce. Neil from Portland, Maine. He wants to know our thoughts on a spindle shaper.
01:09:12
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Now, Neil is actually the same Neil that asked or that said that he's thankful for the podcast. So thanks, Neil. Thank you, Neil. Yeah, Neil. I have no desire to use a spindle shaper.
01:09:26
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Why not? We don't have it. It's a big machine. We don't have the need for a spindle shaper. No, no. If we had that type of production, yes, I could see using it. But for us. Yeah, we don't. Unless you're getting one for free. Even then, we would say, well, we're going to put it. Well, we've gotten rid of we've gotten rid of that one shaper.
01:09:50
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Yeah, we had a small, it wasn't, I mean it was a spindle shape, but it was a small one and we actually had it set up for half inch router bits. Yeah. Yeah, we got rid of that. We know what that is. That's in Jamaica somewhere, isn't it? That's right. Uh, Kiana. Kiana. Kiana. So any of you at Guyanese using it, it came from us. Yeah.
01:10:12
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Yeah, see, if we had the space, I'd love to have a shaper because there's all kinds of crazy shit that you can do. You know, you can stack up all kinds of cutters and make different profiles. I saw Jack English is a guy up in Canada. I've shown you guys before. He restores a lot of old machines and stuff. He was shown yesterday this sliding, tenoning sled for a shaper. So I think it would be really cool to build some doors, cabinet doors and stuff on a shaper.
01:10:41
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But like we said before with the organization, we keep it as lean as possible because we only have 800, 900 square feet. So there's no room for a shaper. It doesn't get used. There's a lot of people on the John Peters little top shops tour that he did that said, man, these guys don't even have a router table or we just don't use it. So we don't have it. Exactly. We're lean and we're mean.
01:11:14
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Then you can take it apart and put it in the one of the offside places we have. Spins of shape, you're not going to be able to move that too easy. For me, I'm kind of like somewhere in between Rich and Jeff. I mean, I might be inclined to, you know, use it for something if we had the space that the thing I've seen them use for before CNC became the way to do things.
01:11:35
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I'd rather have us route a table.
01:11:43
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in that arena, guitar bodies, you know now they're all seeing seed, they used to be done on a spindle shaper tracing a template but that you know that two inch high cutter exposed like that and it just always
01:11:59
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You know, it's not something I have a lot of experience on. And that's why, you know, I'm a little bit sketchy, intimidated. Yeah, intimidated. That's the right word. Like the tools that I've been using my whole life, they don't intimidate me because that's just the nature of the beast. Yeah, I was saying this before because we were we were kind of talking about this question. I'm like less intimidated by those big machines because they sort of command the respect.
01:12:30
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You know, I've always gotten hurt on utility knife blades and stuff like that because you just, you know, you're not thinking about it. You're just using it because it's so unassuming. But like a 16 inch table saw.
01:12:46
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When you're using it, you're locked in. You're concentrating. Because you're thinking to yourself, well, one wrong move and my freaking hand is gone. So it's fine. We mentioned this the other day. I was on the band saw and the one little cut because we have a saw stop. So somebody was in here and said, you ever cut your finger on a table saw? And everybody's got some sort of story. And thankfully, I've never done that.
01:13:15
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Uh, but one time I was on the band saw and you know, it moves kind of slow compared to, uh, you know, most of the spinning blades in the shop and it seems kind of, I don't know, benign, you know, carving around this little thing and just, just nicked my little finger, you know, not even enough to hurt.
01:13:38
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thinking, oh, that didn't do anything. But sure enough, there was a nice little bloody patch there. So you're right, Jeff, you know, don't be lulled into a false sense of security. Yeah, even even stuff like the the drum sander here, you know, you're always one second away from getting your arms sucked into that thing. Well,
01:14:01
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I had this cut that I had to wrap up twice yesterday because the orbital sander, I was sanding and just touched the edge of my thumb. And I didn't even think I got cut. But, you know, of course, when you're working and it's maple, it happens to be dread everywhere. Yeah.
01:14:24
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Oh, yeah. All right. Well, I hope that answers your question, Neil. We're really we're not we're not users of the Spindle Shaper. Maybe somewhere down the line we might be. Maybe if you got one in your shop, you could you could tell us about it. Give us some of your experiences on it. Show us some of your work. You'd love to see it. So that's that's bringing us what's I'd say, you know,
01:14:54
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beer of the week. Yeah. Okay. I can tell you this. It's still full. This is a, this is a green street forest. Yeah. I mean, mine's almost empty, but no, I can't drink it. This was so disappointing. I'll say that I had high hopes.
01:15:11
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Yeah, you know, they have this nice. Stack of pancakes on the front with the syrup coming down, it doesn't taste anything like maple pecans or waffles to me. I'm going to say. I don't like the name waffle sauce. Yeah, it's it's nonsensical. I like I don't think it belongs on a can of beer. And I didn't like the way it tasted.
01:15:40
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So I don't know what went on at Rusty Rail, who was the guy who said, let's green light this. I don't know if he's still working at Rusty Rail. He might be drinking a little too much that guy. Yeah. What we're going to do is we're going to try another Rusty Rail Brewing Company beer.
01:16:01
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If they're not out of business from this terrible beers, I mean, yeah, we're going to we're going to try another one that's not like this sort of like novelty. Yeah. And we'll give it a we'll give it another listen because we're sure their intentions were good. Nobody puts out a bad product. I mean, it's not a it's not a bad beer.
01:16:22
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Yeah, I mean, you guys, you guys have a very specific sort of beer that you like. Yes. I mean, it's not a bad. It's not a good beer, but it's not a bad beer, but it just it doesn't deliver on what it says it is. I can't even do it. It might have like a little bit of like an Aunt Jemima kind of maple flavor, but not.
01:16:42
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It just the flavor. That's what throws me off. It's it's the picture and waffle sauce. Just it's not a name of a beer to me. If you smell it, it smells sweet, but it doesn't smell like maple. No, the two flavors don't go together. Which ones? The waffle sauce and beer like maple syrup, pecan and beer don't belong together in the same can. Yeah, I've had maple beers that are very good, though.
01:17:12
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Maybe it's the pecan. It must be the pecan. Maybe that's more what I smell is like a sort of a anyway Yeah, I'll give you a middle a middle thumb or a middle something yeah
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That's nice. You're missing out on all kinds of stuff. I got an Aetna mask in the mail the other day. They probably charged it. No, they sent me a care kit. Here's this free mask. It's 250 bucks. I guess when you hit Medicare, they fell sorry for me. So I got this box in the mail that had
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It was a care kit that they called it.
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Any of you other older fellows, have you received this kit? You have to be on Etna, though. Did it come from Nigeria? No, I'm telling you, this is all brand brand stuff on the CBC. It had to be connected with CVS because a lot of CVS things. There you go. Was it one of those like you send in your box tops and then you go. No, I was not. I was not expecting this thing at all. All right. That's strange.
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Jeff, explain how our listeners can get their own tool of the week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So if you want to support the channel, we always put an affiliate link. It's called in the description. We also have a list on our website. So anybody that uses that link and anything that you buy, even if you don't buy the tool of the week, if you use that link,
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01:20:09
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We also have a patreon so you can support us there. That's right We have a sort of a after show so we'll do Which we just we we watched the last week's after show at rich you're cracking up because it's We'll let a little more loose on there Yeah
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