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Ep 158 - New Years Eve Paranormal UFO UAP Round Table
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It's a New Years special as Andy De Codes from Alien8UK and Chris Meek from the Scottish Paranormal Podcast join Ash and Greg for a round table to round off 2024!
Dominated by drones, the guys also cover their thoughts on disclosure, the events of this year and share some personal paranormal and UFO experiences.
Bring in 2025 with this casual chat, from Pursuit of the Paranormal
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Transcript
Introduction and Holiday Reflections
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Speaker
almost interesting but i don't know what to white those on or what it was it wasnt an airplane it was not in your plane it was so off you're listening to pursuit of the paranormal podcast with your hosts ash ellis and greg
00:00:26
Speaker
Welcome to our New Year's Eve Panormal Roundtable Special. We've got new and familiar guests joining us this month. First of all, I guess we've got Greg. Greg, Oi, that side, the co-host of the podcast. How are you doing Greg? Good things. How are you doing Ash? Did you have a good Christmas?
00:00:44
Speaker
I did. I did. It was okay. It was quiet and relaxing. Now all the kids are all just going to have to be tied out after Christmas. It's nice and fun. How was yours? How was your first one in a different location, I guess? Yeah, so it's the first one where I was um in a room in someone's house and not my own house so that was that was a bit odd um but yeah went up north and saw my girlfriend um so that was good fun um and it was yeah it was just weird to have sort of a and north and south christmas so yeah all good all good it's good fun you always start like a teenager when he say you say that you you always say they're sheepishly as well like my my but girlfriend
00:01:31
Speaker
What is happening? I'm 47. No, my girlfriend, yes. And she spoiled me with some paranormal equipment and stuff, so I can't um can't say anything other than it was great, which it was. So, all good. Awesome.
Guest Introductions and Paranormal Origins
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Speaker
Awesome. And welcoming back to the show, previous guest is Andy the Cold from Alienate UK. Thanks for joining us, Andy. How are you doing?
00:01:57
Speaker
ah Hello, Ash. Hello, Greg. Thank you for having me. Yeah, it's been good. A lot went on last year, got even more going on next year. I don't even know how I'm going to fit in. I just really, really don't. Awesome. We'll come on to that shortly, no doubt. Yeah. And welcoming onto the show for the first time.
00:02:22
Speaker
um see the power nor this chris the host of the scottish paranorma podcast welcome chris welcome to the hotta Hi Ash, hi Greg, hi Andy. Hello. um Good to be here, thanks for having me on. um It's been a good Christmas up here as well, apart from all the family had the word gate at one point, so my kids had chest infections, I had that, I was ill, so it's just going, so all good.
00:02:48
Speaker
right so we're quite evenly split across the country i think uh this evening we've got the north of england south of england and scotland covered mckayla was going to join us this month again but she can't get out of some family arrangements we would have had the proper down south covered as well but nah yeah i think we'll have a ah good chat between us So I guess as a first timer to the pod Chris, do you want to give us just a bit of maybe bit of background into what got you hooked on the paranormal, your kind of origin story into the interest and g tracks them then wanting to start the podcast? Yeah well I think originally I've been interested in the paranormal for years since I was younger.
00:03:30
Speaker
and If think you don't ever remember lee um the collection the magazines used to get called Unexplained and it made a blue binder. yeah and but had them I think maybe my mum had them or my dad had them so that started then but don't get into too much detail with the stories it'll take ages. We did have a few a interesting kind of family things that happened back in the day.
00:03:53
Speaker
Um, can he put our guest activity in the house? Weird stuff. Door getting chapped. Like door getting opened and things like that. Needed there. Um, a few can he black apparitions sitting in the house. Um, sister got grabbed a few times. My mum got grabbed.
00:04:10
Speaker
and it culminated in my mum and dad having a kind of blowout argument and this black ball type thing burst through the living room door and it went round his legs and he was a total sceptic and then ah it went behind the couch and disappeared and there's a bit more for the story but that's kind of where the main kind of bulk of the story I heard when I was younger is this thing around my dad's legs So it was always in my head. And then I think we start in the podcast. I always had the interest and I dig in and out of the rabbit hole and over the years.
00:04:41
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and I think during Covid like quite a lot of people finding more things to do, getting back into it again. I think it was just before Covid actually and then I was looking at Maury Paul Sinclair's material and was wanting to go down there and visit down there and I kind of thought you're sitting a plethora of stuff up here, there's loads of stuff up here especially in this area where I stay in the home town where I stayed as well at the time so Just kind of dug into a bit of that, got some kind of good witnesses and and read through some of the stories and then just just say, oh, get get guests on and stuff like that. So that was my kena origin story again. And then it just kind of builds to there.
Chris' Paranormal Experiences
00:05:17
Speaker
Awesome. That's mad. We always seem to have kind of people that have had paranormal experiences kind of when the younger and that kind of sort of carries on.
00:05:30
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kind of throughout the life, and that leads on to UFO experiences. That's something that you've had kind of any UFO experiences, or is it just an interest in? No, same as well. So it started then. It started there. And name that was the kind of interest. thing I mean, you actually start to remember the the instances you had when you're younger, things that you have you've basically um bypassed or made it logical in the brain and then just didn't think about it again and you've had so many of the instances and you start to actually go back and look at like no that was near right no that was near right and no making something to nothing there's been a kind of few things where um there was one where a few interesting ones where was it running
00:06:15
Speaker
One night I was running and this is where I was a bit older. I was like, this point I was married. And between two towns where basically street lights end and you're in the middle of nowhere, it's just farmers fields and stuff like that. And I got followed by a small red LED. That was the size of a red LED. I seen it in the middle of a farmers field. It was about 500 meters away from us.
00:06:40
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And asar as I was running, the first thing I ah any thought was a dog in the field being like a light you on its neck or whatever. That was the first thing I thought. And I thought if I keep, and it was but came bounding towards me. This thing. Because I was still running. So I was slightly elevated on ah an old, it was like a railway line that would change to a cycle path.
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So I was slightly elevated through the farmer's field. So you can imagine five to ten metres away from me was a fence line with some gosh bushes and then just like the field, usually cattle's in it. And name this thing came right towards me as I was running, so it was kind of intercepted me.
00:07:17
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and then paralleled in the field and it weaved in behind like the gauche bushes and stuff like that. And I was still thinking about the dog, got to the end of the gate. We went for maybe about, like you're maybe talking about on 700 meters of the if no, a wee bit more or less of that. and Got to the farmer's gate, thankfully is it was shut. So I kind of thought it was going to be a dog kind of thing.
00:07:43
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And then it disappeared, the thing disappeared, right? But when I was running, I was straining to hear if somebody would be shouting this dog for the amount of distance it had ran and nobody would be shouting it. And it was that close to me. But I could, when I stopped to think about it, I kind of stopped at the gate. Could they see this thing? I'd seen it like no long before I got to this gate and it disappeared.
00:08:03
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looking across the field could have seen nothing. I just had this kind of a fear aspect here. I'm not going back that way. And I wasn't scared of the light or the dark or nothing like that. And I ran to the next town and I went back the street lights until I got home. And the thing is, I never seen a dog. I could make out the fence line. It was dark, right? It was dark, but I could make out the fence line. I could make out the cross bushes. I could make out the field. I never seen a dog. I just seen this light.
00:08:29
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And you could easily chalk that up to being, right, it was a dog with a light on, he's never seen the dog or whatever, but I mean, I've never seen a dog. That was kind of one kind of strange thing that happened to me. When that happened, I used to run it all obscure times, I was just doing training and stuff like that for triathlon.
00:08:46
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And it it made me actually buy a ah light with a projector, a good projector light. It changed my behaviour in that aspect as I could get to see whatever this thing was, but basically I couldn't see a dog. But that was just one kind of small thing that you could probably chalk it up to anything, right? So I'm not saying getting chased by an orb or anything like that, but that's what I see, or that's what I didn't see, I didn't see at all. So that was one thing, it kind of stemmed on, about before that, in my younger years, I'd say between about 18 to maybe early, or maybe early 20s, I had some paralysis, or I had it for like of a two years short.
00:09:27
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used to get it like and probably every week or every other week. Never seen anything and in the room or anything like that at the time, but had the whole kind of thing with the presents and things. Let's just sleep with the light on as well, because yeah. And I used to get that quite a lot. And I used to, I only got it in, I could mind the first property I got it in, the very, very first property, which actually wasn't too far from the back of the hills where I met you the last time, the property where I harmed.
00:09:57
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and that's where I am to remember but it because I was actually sitting upright watching TV and I fell asleep and it was like waking up with a presence there and they couldn't turn my head round and a you could easily chalk that up to just sleep para paralysis right? I could agree with that.
00:10:11
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But this went on for about a year and a half, two years. Quite a lot. And I moved house to another friend's house at the time and I harmed in that house. It never happened anywhere else apart from one other property. And it's when I was moving down south to see my sister and this was like the very very last time it happened. The very last time it happened.
00:10:29
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and It basically culminated in, I woke up during the night and I seen this figure standing between the, if you can imagine, the street light shining through a living room window and it had like a set of curtains and blinds in between them but the curtains went and pulled right across so you could see like a a 600 millimeter wide gap with just like the blinds were and then like the street lights shining through. So I woke up, I was like sleeping as a tea, because I was ready to just get picked up to go down south for a visit, doing a penzance. And this thing was standing there. I thought it was the apparition of women or whatever. It was like, it was just black. I'm not saying it was a shadow purse or anything like that. It was just blacked out because of the fact that the room was dark and it was silhouetted by the light outside.
00:11:17
Speaker
but whatever this thing was I had sleep paralysis and it came towards me and it it it came down to my head height on the city and then it disappeared and that was the last time I it The interesting thing was the second property area I had it in but I had it in quite a lot I used to say, I moved in there, and because I was in the building trades, I decorated one of the rooms at my my friend's, it was his house, decorated a spare room, moved into that room, and I used to tell him about it, and he he kind of said to me, that's bull, you like, sometimes there's like something in the room, I got a pressure on my chest, and you kind of shout or talk, and it's like there's somebody there, and he was just kind of like, nah, did they believe it?
00:12:03
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What he did see is, when I came back after about a year or so back into town, and he'd mentioned to me, he says, well, remember, you used to say that, thinking about the sleep paralysis. I said, aye. And he said, well, when you moved out, he said, your room was decorated the bit that he said, mine, so I moved into that room.
Exploring Local Paranormal Stories
00:12:20
Speaker
And he said, the state it started to happen to me, which is quite bad, you know what I mean? So I'm arguing with that. So that was kind of one aspect of that one. Another interesting one was where when I was about 23, roughly some, I was out running in the Bathgate Hills again, I might have told you the story when I was up there, that would, called Raven's Craig would, sorry, which Craig, not sorry, Raven's Craig, Raven's Craig, get it mixed up, there's too many Craig's, so I was out running
00:12:55
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and they just basically run the Bathgate Hills. It's the road you see in the road you drove around the Bathgate Hills. You can get right around. and It was like a five and a half mile loop that used to run. And I've seen trails and amongst another wooded area on the way around there. So one day I kind of thought I'm going to go back and go in the trails and and run about in the trails.
00:13:13
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and name whilst running through the trails, just during the day, this is like maybe 12, 1 o'clock in the day, wasn't he thinking of nothing paranormal, just out for a daily run, and I got to the dense bit of wood at the top of the hill and something from my mind just basically said to me, didn't go any further, it wasn't a voice or nothing, it was just like a feeling in me actually, it was like, we have described it in the past as like,
00:13:38
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If you've been a kid and you've got that overwhelming theory, something you don't know what it is, like back in the day, that's what it was like. It was going back to that. And it was like a really, really strong theory. There's either something no good could happen if you keep going forward, or it's like something evil or or something like that. That's the kind of sense I got.
00:13:56
Speaker
So I cut my run short, went back home, I told the wife at the time, and that time I was married, I was staying in Bathgate and I told her, I was like, I had this, we had a feeling, and I cut my run short, blah, blah, blah, and that was it. But when I started the podcast,
00:14:10
Speaker
and I interviewed a guy called David Coleman about the ah Silverman account. He'd seen some type of creature or more like any light being creature type thing at the side of the road that ran into the woods. It was about roughly about 50, 100 meters for that exact spot where he'd seen this thing. So um things like that. I mean, there's like loads of things. Can you just, we actually go back and think of synchronicity, just different things that say, ah, that's right, that happened, that happened, things like that. But, yeah, apart from that UFO-wise, I mean, no other kind of thing I've seen that is like satellite-sized things, but doing 90-degree turns and things like that.
Theories on UFOs and Drones
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There was one time where we were fishing with friends when we were younger, and we seen a satellite coming through the sky.
00:14:56
Speaker
And we all had a joke and said I wonder what it does when it hits this star. So it's coming towards a star in the sky. Obviously it's not going to do anything. It's going to just pass right through it. As it got to it, there are 90 degree turn with it slowing down, arcing, nothing. It just, on that star with a cliche, it turned like on a dime. It just basically went 90 degrees and it just kept going until you couldn't see it again.
00:15:20
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because like numerous stories up in this neck of the woods which I've knew throughout the years and then they're a bit more digging with them and stuff like that, found a bit more and then there's more stuff came out as well, there's so much stuff out there that you just just need to tap into and that was the whole point, you're actually starting to do it to try and get tap into more of these stories and find them as well.
00:15:40
Speaker
Amazing, thanks for sharing and definitely, I mean the reason why we went up to that area was because of these accounts and stuff that we had reported towards from that area, it's like we've got to get up there to see what's what's happening. But that's a good intro, I guess, as we're finishing off, we've had UFO Month here on the podcast to celebrate our fourth birthday as a podcast, I guess.
00:16:04
Speaker
It's still on topic a little bit. It has been quiet for the past week or so, but these drones, apparent drones I've been seeing in the US, New Jersey, apparently in the UK. If you listen to any of the recent podcasts, you probably know my thoughts on it. But I'd love to know what you guys are thinking about it. So Andy, you seem to have some thoughts on it. Just a couple.
00:16:25
Speaker
you so it's just the word drone for a start is one of the most annoying words for it right the reason and i would say the reason for it is because i own a couple of drones and they're not drones they're either they are drones and that's it and that is what they are and they're remotely controlled by a person or a group of people where you do the flash mob drones. Whether you send them out like 5,000 drones up in the sky to create these um light pictures. yeah that but It's either that, or they are UFOs. They're not drones. and why This is my biggest thing on it, and Earl Grey had put some on Facebook. and ah It wasn't his. He'd got it off someone from Twitter. So I stole it off him. I did it on Michelle, the one before Christmas.
00:17:23
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and if that Why, if they are not ours, would they have navigation lights on it? It's the FAA, which is is Federal ah Aviation Authority, that by law you have to have navigation lights if you're flying a craft. If these are ETs and not from not from here, not from the Earth's surface, shall we say,
00:17:48
Speaker
that's another story completely why would you be having green red and white navigation lights on it if you don't need to unless you want it to be spotted it makes zero sense but the best theory, I don't know if it's a theory but the best story that I've heard from it is the looking for dirty bombs so during the cold war in the 60s 70s 80s and u.s and russia and everyone else in between obviously the cold war and do you know that some a or some nuclear warheads went missing ah either on the black market or something happened to them somewhere and they reckon that they was somewhere in the far or middle east and they're trying to get them back in on land to mainland america so these drones are flying over
00:18:41
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and they've got these big units on them which work like LiDAR so I don't know if you know what LiDAR is it's where the looking at the ground but you can see all the dips in it so if there's any craters any underground bunkers all that you can see into it I suppose you might use stuff like that at work with you Chris that kind of stuff No. so all right easy um jordans but No. You can use it to look in walls to see if there's a cavity or see like cables and what the construction is behind the walls or like the foundations. So it's all that kind of stuff.
00:19:18
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So it's so ah from what I gather, it's similar to that. So they can see, it's kind of like x-ray. They can see inside, but without actually seeing it. So they can know if it's a void in open space. So they're flying them over. So they're looking for stuff like that. And that's why it looks like they've got these great big air conditioning units on the bottom them bottom of them. And that is the best. I won't say, I don't know, story and fear isn't the right word.
00:19:49
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it's the best thing that I've read so far that can give a decent explanation as to why they are where they are because it's New Jersey New York um the other part to it is New Jersey is less condensed than New York it's an easier port to get into um they're doing it at night so less people are seen them, but then the app, well this is kind of where it contradicts itself, so you are seeing them because you've got the navigation lights on them, but it's kind of like a training SIOPs as well as to
00:20:23
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when they do these terrorist training exercises where they go out and they get the general public involved without them knowing about it it's similar to that to see what reaction what real reaction they're going to get from what's going on as well as doing looking for this stuff so I suppose it's like three in one so they're going in they're looking for whatever it is that's gone missing because I know as well there's a high radio radio radio bridge activity that's it he just wasn't coming out oh my god so as a high level it's like 200 summer higher than what it should be so that's why there's going in because that's where they think that these warheads are either been stored or buried it's just it shouldn't be as high as what it was and it was only on the east coast or like New England between like I say New Jersey New York so it's around the area but New York was too
00:21:23
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populated to go in.
Speculation on Extraterrestrial Intentions
00:21:25
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They didn't want to scare too many people, so that's why they went in New Jersey and then ran that way. And for me, that is really the only real explanation as to what's going on, because if it was ETs, it'd either be dropping these drones, it'd be like War of the Worlds, or Day of the Triffids, or something like that. It'd be mayhem. If there was going to do something, they would have done something.
00:21:50
Speaker
if he was going to like try and take over, if the fireman was running from that out, there'd be something big would be happening by now. It wouldn't just be, some drones are flown in. People say they shut them down and they've knocked them out of the sky, but they use You use drones for doing like Google Maps and all that. Now they use drones for delivering Amazon over in America. Do you know what I mean? So what's not to say? It isn't. And if Uber, each use them as well, don't they? Sure they do.
00:22:19
Speaker
you know these food delivery places over in the States like for the big apartment blocks but it's like they'll say that these loads of um lights in the sky traveling together it could be anything so please don't call them drones unless it is an actual drone yeah because I even have to look up what the word drone meant it just means it makes a low humming noise But the latest term is an unmanned craft, which is controlled remotely. And that's it. So Chris, what's your thought on the drones? I mean, through what I've followed and looked at, there's been a couple of different explanations here. I mean, you've pulled a couple of some already, you know what I mean?
00:23:11
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In regards to if you listen to the music that's on though in a different podcast he's been on and who he's spoken to, um potentially it's reading between the lines by him that there is some UAP there. There's been incursions of UAP and then there's been other assets or drones put up.
00:23:34
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in the same vicinity or even so one aspect could be drones have been put up to actually investigate what they are you need to remember where some of these sites are as well in New Jersey there's like naval bases there's air bases um
Challenges in Capturing UFO Evidence
00:23:47
Speaker
there's things like that as well and that kind of vicinity so that's one aspect so if there is a UEP already and then they're putting drones up to either one investigate it or two to actually put a bit of chaff in the area so it's it's just puts a bit of um discrepancy into the whole kind of thing um because if we do things like before he was he was talking on one thing where maybe have like a a crashed what's the for example was uh um
00:24:19
Speaker
a new type of technology they're testing and it crashes, they would maybe go and pick it up, retrieve it, but then put down some other types of bits of other planes and that to throw people off the scent, just in case people did get into the kind of link and they found it. So we'd have some type of backstory already there. So the one aspect there is, he reckons there's been incursions of UEP and then there's other been drones put up or whatever. That's plenty of one aspect there.
00:24:46
Speaker
But the other aspect is, I've heard by the whole radioactivity thing where a dirty boy has been like a warhead of whatever else and then it's going to be and because it's of a certain age.
00:25:01
Speaker
the mechanisms and it will be inert, so it needs to be like a dirty bomb rather like a nuclear bomb if you know what I mean, but still cause a bit of an issue. So that was one aspect where there's maybe drones getting used via another department because you always, when they refer to, there's no drones for the military getting used, it's not to say they've loaned these assets to somebody else to actually look for this if it is the case. That's another aspect here, could be, but then There's another thing we're seeing when we're talking about Aizen, it could be like adversarial technology where they're probing. And I've heard this when probing since 2019.
00:25:39
Speaker
But at the same time, I can't discount that to a certain extent for the fact that if you want to have some kind of clandestine operation, you're not going to stick like lights on them. You know what I mean? And things like that. So, I don't know. I mean, where my own thoughts about it is, I'm kind of in the bag with the Louise Alexander thing where there's probably a potential percentage of UEP because it dates back to like 2019.
00:26:04
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or even if more before that where there's been incursions and a lot of these bases be things um come back to that but they're just hitting the headlines now um so i kind of i'm kind of in that camp in regards to um there's potentially some uap and then there's um there's maybe something else there or people would put things up or whatever else but with that aspect here it's um
00:26:30
Speaker
It's a furry one, because if you're looking at adversarial stuff, as you know, it puts us at the game for the technology they're using or whatever else, or what they're doing, they're just actually trying to follow the technology to find out what it is, what they're doing with it and stuff like that. I don't know. I think it could be a wee bit of UEP, some technology put up there, and then there'd just be a mass hysteria, jumped on the bandwagon with it. You know what I mean? That could be it.
00:26:58
Speaker
There might be some minute. The way, if you're listening to Louise Elizondo, between the lines, there's some minute. Yeah. Andy, do you want to come back on? Yeah, please. He's killing me. No, I agree with Chris. There are a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon, but it's like, like I was saying about the flash mobs, what's not to say that they're doing stuff? Because there's a lot of stuff going on over Christmas and obviously going into the new year.
00:27:26
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but like Chris said about the military, maybe they're not doing it. If they they're not, train maybe they're not trained to fly these, because they're not easy to fly, it takes quite a bit of learning. I flew mine the other week, I couldn't see it. It had gone that far away, and it was only a minute, I couldn't see it in the sky. I couldn't fly it, but I forgot what controls were doing, what everything. So it's not, unless you you've had the proper training on it, they are quite difficult to, I won't say maneuver, but to go where you want it to go, I suppose.
00:28:01
Speaker
and So, if they are getting third party companies that know how to fly these, this is what it's getting at, that know how to fly them, so they would be using um people that know drones inside and out, they control everything about them. If anything goes wrong with them, they know how to um Get it back up and running that kind of stuff, but also This is my biggest question when it comes to these drones. How many people do you know that has actually seen one? or a group of them I Know of one person who lives around New Jersey area. They seen a few lights flying over and they think there was drones Like go to Chris now
00:28:53
Speaker
and ah One other thing I meant to add there as well, a few things in the mix, what they said there, the reason I was on those things where potentially there's UAP there and then there's been drones in the mix. The other one was obviously an adversarial, which I kind of discount in the dirty bomb thing, but there's one other aspect, what it could be,
00:29:17
Speaker
And because we're coming off like the last hearing I've got, I've got one part of the internal DOD trying to get disclosure pushed out a bit. You've got one part of it trying to keep it in. So who's to say this isn't a from either side of that. like Let's say for example, you've maybe got Lockheed Martin or you've got like that defense industry. And they're maybe on the side of the people who want to get it out.
00:29:46
Speaker
I mean, they're maybe be just actually trying to highlight the fact that these things are in your airspace and blah, blah, blah, whatever else, and then they've got the technology actually, put them up, take them away. and Because these things, they all know there's no hobbyist drone that's going to be, so and it's like hundreds of thousands of pounds if it's like a big drone the size of like a SUV. There's things as well where there was a, I think it was a sheriff's helicopter, whatever else they'd got close to one.
00:30:11
Speaker
and then they had to back off away from it and didn't follow it. There's been instances like that and people seeing them. Where's the footage? The only footage I've ever seen me looking into it is lights in the sky in which I could potentially replicate myself.
00:30:27
Speaker
Right? actually So I'm not seeing anything there. I've seen know we a few weird ones, but I'm not seeing and like anything with a good resolution for maybe like infrared coming out of a helicopter or something. That's what you want to see. You want to actually see um what this is. But yeah you don't go any of that.
00:30:48
Speaker
So, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of kind of things in there. I think it's interesting with that aspect where, let's say, as a part of the US government, which it could be, a one part would disclose it out or one part try to keep it and and in and then maybe try to do some kind of fear aspect or whatever. I don't know. It's interesting that we're coming up for the the Trump taking up into power and then it's maybe a highlighting factor if for having to basically and come out with this a bit more as well. I mean, it could be something like that.
00:31:18
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but the Sorry, can I just jump in as well? um but said um ah many people or How many people do you know that have actually seen one? That's the thing. Like Chris said, that you can you can replicate weird stuff in the sky. I can use my phone and get a clear image of the moon and just change it a little bit and make it look like some sort of orb. You wouldn't even know it was the moon.
00:31:42
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That's how we use it. And AI now, as you know, I use AI for a lot of the stuff that I do with the digital videos for the intros and outros and all that kind of stuff. um It's even using in the basic versions of these programs, it's so easy to create something like that. The ad one of, so apparently, so when I chopped this drone down, right, and it it fell, it landed on top of this car, then it dropped between the two cars.
00:32:12
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Yeah. And then it vanished. And everyone's like, oh my God, I can't believe that is so amazing. I can remember the same video. I watched that actually the day again and I was like. but In 2012, I had an app on my crappy HTC One. This is how long ago it was. And it was called FX Summer. And you could have a satellite drop and had it falling, hit the coffee table, smash everything up. And it looked, you watch it back and it looks real. And it was that. But everyone's like, oh my God, I can't believe you've shot one down.
00:32:48
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He's like, you can't see it. Is it fell through and all in the ground? There's nothing there. He's like, please, can you all just shut up? Even the thing is, as well, where I think of the whole can you think sometimes when you look at this and you're looking at right.
00:33:03
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Why would UEPs all of a sudden change from being some type of orb or some type of actually structured craft that looks like a UFO to then looking like a drone? But when you look at the whole aspect of UEP over like years and years and years, like back in the day, things were looking like ships in the sky and loads of weird stuff and back into John Keel stuff, you know what I mean? It's almost like they're replicating what you might be needing there, what technologies you might be needing to build, you know what I mean? And it's like stuff like that.
00:33:32
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I don't know, I mean it's it's a funny one, but when I was looking at, m see if it was going to be somewhere that was like, and Bill, I think it'd be poo poo'd be like well these hours on there, but the way he was talking, because he's obviously still got a lot of insight as I talk to him, and he said that there was a recent one in the last like few days at St Andrews yeah Air Force Base as well.
00:33:54
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and the people on the base didn't know what it was, you know what I mean? All these places have got like, they've got anti-drone technology, you know what I mean? The bounty of, you know what I mean? You kind of fly like a drone next to you like, if I went down and I flew a drone up next to you,
00:34:09
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just even down the coast through me, you've got Tournes Power Station. That's like a drone up there, I tell you that aren't response at me, you know what I mean? Or whatever, that would be there, you know what I mean? So, I don't know. It's it's a funny one, like it really, really is, but I think it's interesting the fact that Trump's coming into the office in about 20 days or something like that, and then he's got loads of people up his sleeve who are pro-UVP disclosure. So,
00:34:36
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To me, I mean, it could be a sigh of putting a good side for the fact that, right, it's just highlighting this fact and let's get it out, you know what I mean? But then they'd run the risk of getting caught doing that. And then it would be a bikini backfire, you know what I mean? So would they actually do that? You know what I mean? So I don't know. I mean, if you just go back to what I said, the way the measles was on, they was talking and saying, like, they think there's actually things coming off the sea or that aspect as well. And they had a good interview between John Kirby, the press kind of spokesman in the White House. He was getting kind of grilled on some of them. And they were giving them really good questions. And one of them was, well, if you're still trying to say that you can't get any decent footage, you still don't know what they are, or there's nothing to worry about, or know a threat and all that kind of stuff, well,
00:35:28
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m or they were talking about shooting the Chinese spy balloon down the shot that over and once it was safe with an overwater and I said well why don't you take one of the ones out like there's after the 30 or 40 are chasing like a coast guard boat off the coast you know I mean and things like that but it's just it's quite bad and I mean totally is.
00:35:48
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Can I just throw a few more things out? I'll be really quick, I promise. It just it it really just winds me up so much. But with Chris mentioning about the Chinese spy balloons and the tic tacs, look how quick they were to go out and intercept them and try and shoot them down. We were scrambling jets within minutes of it happening. it It's like, oh, well, a few weeks ago, there was a thing on the runway at Manchester Airport. We got some video footage, but that's it. And nothing.
00:36:18
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And then you've got Meldon Hall and Lake and Eve. Now I had the opportunity through work to actually drive round both of them sites, not inside on the outside, um two, three times a week before the two weeks run up to Christmas. There was no extra activity going on from what I could see. You can go right down past the runway. You can see these all different viewing points and it runs all the way along the road. You're only like two miles from Lake and Eve to Meldon Hall.
00:36:48
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They're literally back to back. There was no extra planes, there's no extra vehicles, there's nothing set like on amber or red alert ready to be scrambled. Nothing other than the normal, you could hear the jets flying over like practicing dog fighting and all that. And that was it. But as well, Chris said earlier about like with Trump, and they're gonna talk about it.
00:37:15
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or maybe they're gonna talk about it. What's not to say that they're not, with that initial, oh, these drones is this, is that, they're planting seeds. So if everyone's thinking about it, are we then not manifesting it? And there's no footage because you're not actually seeing it. You're seeing it in your mind's eye. And that's why there is no footage because through manifestation. Because we all know that manifestation is a real thing. It happens.
00:37:43
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ah we have I'd say we are now to do it, but we are now, it can be done. So if there's mass, could you speak to Steve Mearer or anyone like that? He'll say they've been out on hilltops.
00:37:56
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there's like three or four of them trying to manifest these lights and like these five lights came out of nowhere and flying about but everyone that was there could see him at the same time they all had the same recollection of what exactly was going on there's no whistle blowers where are all these whistle blowers that come out and start telling us exactly what's going on because I don't believe whistle blowers are actually whistle blowers That's another story anyway. and um When saying they're coming out of the sea, and this is going to ruin it for our flat earthers, because of the curvature of the earth, yeah sorry ah cu it it looks like they're coming out of the water. What's he saying? They're not on some sort of aircraft carrier.
00:38:42
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um Yeah, that could be a long scene. On tuna somewhere. Do you know, like just a floating flat floor, what's to say there's nothing there and there's a couple of boats and ships or whatever either side and the they're coming up and it looks like they're coming out to sea. Because that was one that was one of my very first questions. Who's actually seen them come out the water, ongoing the water?
00:39:02
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Yeah, that's the thing, I mean, as well, where if that is a that Navy Coast Guard boat that they basically could forward the about 30 or 50 or whatever it was. Yeah. I mean, somebody should be on somebody will have a camera on that boat. I mean, there'll be a camera on that boat. There'll be somebody at least with an iPhone on that. GPS, they have everything. He's probably got a boat cam. I don't know. It is frustrating. You know, I mean, some time you get I mean, I don't know about if you're the same, but you get frustrated with the whole kind of phenomena.
00:39:32
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and down too many rabbit holes. What you guys think? What have been Greg in because when we've been asked this sort of question the the past few weeks on our TikTok lives and stuff, he's always batted it off to me to answer.
00:39:48
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So I want to see Greg's thoughts on it. He's throwing you under the bus now. Massively. acidly so i have So I put up a video on Facebook a few weeks ago of some guy that Sky News had actually interviewed.
00:40:08
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where he claimed to see these drones again did he or didn't he i don't know but he claimed that these drones were actually trying to intercept and monitor orbs that were in the sky the clips he specifically says orbs he specifically says that these drones or UAVs or whatever you want to call them were monitoring the orb activity in the sky which is quite it's a different take that the mainstream news was actually saying which could be it's a great disinformation exercise by the US government because if they've got a contractor out there
00:40:51
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where they're flying drones on behalf of the government. The government can say it's nothing to do with us and technically get away with it because it isn't the government doing it. However, there is one thing that I'd heard some time ago. um Colin Kelleher, who done a lot of work with Lou,
00:41:14
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Elizondo etc and George Knapp around Skinwalker Ranch and has done a lot of investigations into weird phenomena. He wrote a book called The Brain Trust. This book was regarding Jürzfeld Krakow disease, CJD. Yeah, it was called Krakow disease. Yeah, um a mad cow disease, basically, um in humans. But the mad cowdessy the mad cow disease, part of it, in the US during the 80s and 90s when mad cow disease was a thing, um this disease was actually prevalent across the whole of the wildlife in the US. And they were trying to track the disease as it progressed across the US.
00:42:06
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bear with me on this. So in the 80s and 90s were um animal mutilations, cow mutilations, was massive. Now what the US government did was on the back of these particular sightings, I mean I've got no other reference point from than what he said, what he's talking about, is that the US s government and free letter agencies and whatnot were taking up um black helicopters, unmarked helicopters in the dead of night with no lights abducting cattle and wildlife but mainly cattle so they could test these cattle and dump them back down exactly like a cattle mutilation was though it was happening these weird unknown lights so is it possible that these drones wherever they are is actually
00:43:06
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It's the US government doing it on the back of UAP and whole sightings like Chris mentioned about the the UAP side of it. But they can actually, they're kind of like piggybacking on this phenomena to try and get away with testing technology and dirty bonds or whatever it may be. yeah So that that to me is a plausible kind of thing. You can say, well, it's nothing of us, it's a contractor, but they're actually piggybacking on this phenomenon like they did with mad cow disease and cow emulations. That's my take on it. Yeah, Chris.
00:43:46
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so Interesting take. I know we have gone back to the the cattle mutilations and stuff and I heard the stories before where it was to look at the prions and the the pre-ows and the the brain and stuff like that. They were at CJD and there was obviously stories testing the basically a population of cattle because to see how much it was in the food chain and stuff like that.
00:44:11
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But the argument against that was that they could easily test the m but that means. Through, going through.
00:44:23
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basically and slaughterhouses, things like that. All that i mean could be easily tested through that. i mean so But there was, there was but as you say, there was cases even, people like finding syringe underneath like the ah cows and stuff like that. But there's other cases with that, with prions, and over kind of jumping about a bit here, but there was, did you see the the documentary missing for one of the UFO connection where they had and there was basically forestry workers and they had seen ah ah small u a UFO like a small they said it was roughly about six seven feet wide and it was a carry in a moose
00:45:06
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this thing was like carrying a moose and there's been things like that where like it doesn't just happen to obviously just normal cow cattle and stuff like that and like beef cattle it was happened to like moose and stuff like that as well and they'd actually witnessed this thing picking a thing up and taking it away and that sort of, can you see I'm jumping up in a bit of tangent here I mean but that was that but I interested in taking in regards to that but that links into what you see would be the whole the orb side there and then these other thrones have been sent up to investigate the orbs or whatever else, you know what I mean? And that's kind of the same type of thing that Louise Alexander said. He said that there was
00:45:47
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Some UEP settings are in these bases, and they've been there since 2019. They were at Langley, they've been at some sites in the UK, and they've been there before. It's just been highlighted now more recently. And then he reckons that it's a mixture between them and then obviously things try to investigate them, and then now I think it's like, you've got a mixture of that and hobbyists. You know what I mean? That's getting an Andy. He'll be amongst them all. I will go when we get some dry weather.
00:46:20
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um Yeah, so I'm about to just jump in quickly. I promise this is the last bit I'm going to say about it. But you guys probably seen it, that news cut reel of, I think it was ABC News. it stood that so I don't know what airport it was. It was one in America. And you can clearly see planes are taking off and landing and they're supposed to orbs that are on the runway.
00:46:44
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if they knew that these arbs were on the runway, why would they still allow flights to take off and land? And you can see ah like all the others like taxiing about and even people that do doing the luggage on the little golf trolleys and all that. Surely.
00:47:02
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They are stood behind the fence and they're filming it and you can see these supposed lights on the runway and these planes coming in and landing. As soon as I seen that, I thought, it's a load of BS. I just don't trust the government. The government are doing something completely different. They're not telling us. And like Chris said, if it's a third party contractor that's doing it, the government can turn around and say, it's nothing to do with us because technically it's not. And that's it.
00:47:31
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So I used to work for a company that done FOD detection on runways. So anything that was that big, essentially, on a runway, they wouldn't let a plane take off. So the technology was being used, like a radar technology, te to constantly monitor the runway. So if anything that small was on the runway, they wouldn't let a plane take off.
00:47:55
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so why would they let it when there's essentially an orb there? My mate is an aviation technician so his job is when the plane comes into land or it's going to go out and to take off he has him and the team go on they check they've got to check every screw every river every sea every make sure everything is in pristine condition he's he it's his signature that allows that plane to take off or not and it's the same sort of thing the slight yeah screw could be halfway out that plane's not going anywhere because then they've got to do a full recess on the whole thing just because they found one there might be more in other parts that they've got to go like strip it back and have a look as to why this one's come out so it's a similar thing i think
00:48:42
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I also want to just cover off that I live literally a stones throw away from Bryce Norton, the runway, and any hobbyist drone that uses any kind of GPS will not be taken off. they You just can't take off. um So they they've got a geofence around the whole of Bryce for about five miles. I used to live in Whitney, yeah and even then you were struggling to get anywhere within outside of that zone to fly a drone. I used to be a commercial drone pilot or I had a commercial drone pilot's license a few years ago for the company. I worked with the radar company. And they could monitor anything in the sky, like roughly sort of up to house height. ah We were flying drones and they were detecting us even at a mile out. So, and that was just private technology based on
00:49:35
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security technologies and not even military grade so ah know it just ah it's fascinating it's fascinating if nothing i usually fascinating if yeah if nothing else it's fascinating it creates so much engagement on people around the world on podcasts everybody's talking about it but like you said Nobody's really seen one. no um My ass sent me a message a couple of weeks ago saying there's reports um of some drone activity round by Bryce. I was So we've got um some horses that are stabled right next to Bryce Norton, right next to the runway.
00:50:13
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So I was driving around that way, no heightened sense of presence of the military police. There's nothing. Didn't see any drones, couldn't hear anything. And I'm used to seeing and loads of shit in the sky because we're in the flight path. So if it's up there and it's not one of ours,
00:50:32
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but I would probably be able to spot it, even if I didn't know what it was. But also, like Chris said about the adversarial tech, if it was adversarial tech, they would have shot it down by now. they You couldn't let that shit in rare spots.
00:50:47
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but we've got an i sorry you've got an a emf um weapons that will just bring it straight down and i know what you'll send about Bryce Norton because um previous the job i'm doing now and the previous two jobs that i've delivered actually on Bryce Norton and he's one of the biggest air bases in the UK it you can hear the engines when they've got like five or six planes of helicopters and that going at the center you can hear it for miles miles around yeah and it's like the airspace around there you're not getting anything nothing at all
00:51:19
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you know And you know if you're going to see something, you're going to see something. Yeah, exactly. yeah And the main road, one of the main roads sort of around the back of the base is right next to the the flight path. So you actually, the planes come in over the the road onto the bottom of the runway. so Is that the one in the pub? There's a white pub, I can't remember the pub's name. I've not been in it. I just know there's a pub there. yeah I delivered to her. Yeah, there are pubs. But it's like literally as you go around, there's a bendy road. There's just the main bendy road that you go around the back to get to it. Yeah. And that's, you can see everything that's going on from this fence. But like you said, that's all yeah up and night as soon as you're 54 in the air with a drone, radar pick you up. They know exactly where you are.
00:52:06
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and pretty much who's flying it as well. And if they say they don't, they're lying because I can't see how anybody could get anywhere near a military air base and not be detected. It's just insane. Well that's, I think they pick up the controller and the drone, they link the two together because they'll pick up what frequency it's giving out and it's just, you don't even have to triangulate it, it's just a straight line. Yep.
00:52:36
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I guess ah guess to wrap up, very interesting stuff. I'll briefly kind of give my main three points, is not want to go over kind of the ground that you guys have ah covered. But for me, the two main things are one,
00:52:51
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what Andy talked about where the Dirty Bomb kind of fairy. For me, it's that what I've heard is more it's the testing of that technology. So if there was a Dirty Bomb or something they think was possibly there, they would use these drones to sweep these major cities. So the kind of testing that technology, one, to test it and two, to see how the public are reacting to it. And leading on from that,
00:53:18
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What we did see in in the height of this was, I think Chris mentioned the words mass hysteria, where every single thing in the sky was now a drone. It's like clearly planes, clearly, i like I say with the FAA compliant lights on, clearly even satellites and the moon are now being called drones. It's like like the new buzzword for anything weird in the sky is now a drone. It's like saying drones like you ah you and you may start, stop saying drones like no drones.
00:53:47
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Um, like even people saying that, um, it was an orb and then it turned, it morphed into a plane. It's like, no, it just had its landing lights on and it turned so you can now see the shape of it. Like it's just the plane. It's not calling it a drone or anything like that. It was a plane. It was a plane and morphed into a plane. And then it become the same plane.
00:54:08
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There are people saying that, oh, they're now, but <unk> it's UAP or it's something alien. They're now pretending that they can make themselves look like planes. And that's what it is. It's like, no, like you could say that about absolutely anything in the history of time. Yeah. That that pen is an alien pretending to be a pen. Yeah, exactly. You can't so just say that to fit your kind of narrative. I guess that leads into to the master theory thing as well, where The government is using this, is testing this technology, whether you're looking for a live bomb or the test in it, that technology or that process. They're happily like people think it's aliens, because it takes away from what what they're actually doing. They'll tell people, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the U.S. pay we don't know what the value is, UFOs, isn't it? and like They're doing a test of whether it's a demo or Lockheed or Boeing, whoever's actually doing it. And they're happily like people just muddy the waters. and So there's a lot of things combined to kind of blow it up out of mass proportion.
00:55:04
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that it kind of came into. Just quickly, I did a podcast with Jim Goodall a couple of years ago. He worked at Lockheed Martin. So when I go onto YouTube, as you guys all know, YouTube Studio, and it shows you all your analytics and that, for some reason, that interview has gone into the hundreds, like overnight.
00:55:30
Speaker
I was looking at something the other day and it's like 200 people have watched it in the last 18 hours. Why all of a sudden are they watching these particular podcasts?
00:55:41
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I'll tell you why, because Jim Goodall was in on the Daily Mail in the news this weekend. so And he's talking about um Area 51, the secret's coming out because he'd done an interview some time ago with some guy ah area who worked at Area 51 and he said, I can't tell you anything about it until 2025. No, some other some other guy there.
00:56:05
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It was, I was reading it earlier um and it said, sorry to hijack again, I bet I can't even find it now, but it said that Area 51 secrets are to go live um potentially in 2025. I'll find it and I'll send it over, but yeah in it in it specifically mentioned Jim Goodall. So as soon as you said it, I knew, so I bet people have been but i've interviewed Well I've interviewed him twice and he said he is good mates with Bob Lazar and he did ask him for me if he would come on the podcast but he said he's not doing them anymore. That would be good. Or he charges £1000 an hour or something stupid like that. What? Go on now. but We'll leave it then. But yeah it's just that strange then because with the Air E51. So why is Air E51 not being mentioned with all these drones? Because it's fucking miles away from anywhere.
00:56:58
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Well, I drove two hours from Vegas twice just to get there. And then you get like, it takes about half an hour to get off the main road from the main road to the main miles from the gate. Yeah. It's fucking is miles and miles in the middle of nowhere. So, um, yeah, I can't even find it now, but it was on day mail earlier. So Jim Goodall, that's probably what what's happened there. Just, uh, I might say I'm in the front of me, um,
00:57:28
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so you click on it and he's there so yeah good shout good shout thank you for that you're welcome so moving on from the dreaded drones i guess it might be hard to even think about it but any other kind of big stories from the year anyone can think about go on so this i spoke about this last night and this was january the 8th i got all the information the miami mall incident with the Giants. What the hell happened with that? It was such big news for like, I think me and you spoke about it Chris, a better girl. And like last time we did a podcast and there's all this footage and all these people, everyone's getting so involved with it. And then nothing, absolutely nothing. But I think was it the tic tacs was after that. And then the aliens in the garden in Vegas. And we covered that. And it was just,
00:58:29
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It was like a big fan. It was like yo-yos or, do you know what I mean? Spinning tops, that kind of, I'm just, it was big, big, big. And then nothing, absolutely nothing. What happened? Why was there no go back to it? No cross referencing, nothing, nothing whatsoever. It doesn't, that don't make sense. I guess, I mean, for me, I never,
00:58:59
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kind of looked into that one too much. As I'm quite, probably too skeptically minded. And I saw someone say, yeah, there's lots of kids fighting. I was like, please stay there. And I was like, okay. I left it alone. I never even thought about it again. As I just talked about that explanation is like face value. out Yeah. No, I'm happy with that explanation. I think, I mean, it might even tell like that this what's happened a couple of weeks and six months time, it like never happened again. No one talked about it again. It's kind of just gone it's kind of like be one of them kind of weird things that happened for a couple of weeks and then just kind of disappeared from the kind of the never could they be trying to do I'm gonna put this question to all of you could they be trying to create some sort of mandala effect by doing all this different stuff then people are forgetting it or not remembering it the same way because so Cern keeps getting mentioned a lot the Pope with his five portals or five
00:59:56
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um rituals that he was going to do. ah so yeah he was doing five I thought it was New Year's Eve, but it was Christmas Eve. Someone put on Facebook, ah he did the he did these five rituals and someone put how many cheeseburgers did he eat? Because he's massive compared to what he used to look like. i feel i I think I wrote, um he opened a portal to a local drive-thru.
01:00:27
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this is just but nothing's happened but I know CERN has been having a big big activity um with what lately whether it's to do what what's been going on something completely different I don't know but yeah I was, with the story, with the tall aliens and what have they were, and the shopping mall, I kind of discounted that one as well. I was kind of the same as Ash in regards to, I looked into it a wee bit at the start, seeing, I thought it was like, I thought it was cool, a lot of seeing, you know what I mean? But it was then off on it for me to actually follow it. But then, the one after that when you go to Vegas one,
01:01:10
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When you if you watch that interview with the guy telling the story with that, it kind of looked plausible in regards to just the way he was telling the story and stuff like that and the young guy. But them in the show with the video, I mean, I couldn't see nothing in that video. I don't know what it was they were trying to show about like some shadow or something like that. I just kind of thought, when I seen that, I just kind of thought, there's nothing there. I mean, I just kind of see it.
01:01:33
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So I know what you're saying, there's been a lot of different kind of things like that. i get on like one and the One of the kind of main things that has intrigued me over the last kind of number of years of the disclosure process is the event or some type of event. That's what intrigues me. I don't know if you all know what I'm kind of talking about with that. So you'll have a wee bit of backstory and just for the listeners. When some of these whistleblowers came out, or and there's not a lot of them that say that.
01:02:03
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But and John Ramirez, who was ex-CIA, worked for, well, part of the David Reeders and global spatial intelligence and stuff like that. I mean, the the part that he was in that might have put that wrong, but that career, the CIA, but it's basically sort of satellites and tracking and stuff like that. And then really knowledgeable and all that kind of stuff. And he, and when in one of the podcasts, he said he knows an official capacity that was going to be an event in 2027.
01:02:31
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Right, and then he um then, in another podcast, because he stopped doing them to a certain extent, I know he's back doing them now, but he also said that there was something coming here in regards to like a craft or some kind of contact event in 2027. And then you've got the whole thing where recently where the James Webb thing where there's been techno signatures or whatever else apparently have been seen on some kind of far off land or whatever.
01:03:00
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So there's all that aspect there. I mean, Luiz Alizondo has been asked about this event as well, of a number of different people. and And you can even link it back to when he's talking about the statement that he brought up, if you look at his interviews with that as well. For what he knows, he'd say, when he got asked about the event, he said, I know what the event is, but it's no more place to tell the public about it.
01:03:26
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and then they did go into it any more. And then I'm trying to find if there's other people came out from the inside and talked about this event. The only people I know actually, I know personally, but I've heard them via podcast, but I've been talking about it. It's John Ramirez for the CIA, and nobody's horizontal knows about it. People refer to a statement that Leslie Kane had said in regards to some type of event, 2027, but I can't discount that because I don't think it's the same event.
01:03:57
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um but i So that's kind of, I find that quite intriguing, whatever that is. I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that kind of stuff as well. ah god you say i watched um it's tiktok but it was a video which was Phil Schneider on stage, obviously, before anything happened to him, and he was saying about all these different events, and he mentioned what you mentioned, well, he said between 2025 and 2027, he's gonna start getting all hyper and getting to the point where we and not go to be we're not be able to understand exactly what is it's going to be going on.
01:04:35
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it's going to be too much for us to be able to take but it's going to happen but he's also saying that ah got it was him that it said the government had been given a deadline to disclose what was going on and if it wasn't done by this particular date then they're just going to come down and they show themselves regardless. That's what it seemed like. Yeah, I mean, that's what it seemed like in regards to if you look at where like when Louisa Lozondo and Chris Mellon and all the different people came out to defend the government and then I know obviously he was the one that resigned but there was other people who came out and then ended up working for Tom DeLonge and Two The Stars Academy but they had like Steve Justice for Lockheed Martin and Jim Semivan who was equivalent to General in the CIA
01:05:22
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and then, as in like the standpoint where he was, and then obviously Louisa Lozondo and others, and then when you look at all that kind of thing, it looked like there was a need, rather than them just being peed off where at no getting disclosed and the public should know, it was almost like there was They knew something that, why this had to get disclosed quicker, sooner rather than later. And it wasn't just because they didn't get me wrong, they'd be patriots and stuff like that and they want the best for the people and whatever. But at the same time, I think there's more to it than just being patriotic. There's something there why they need to disclose this in a certain timeframe. But the only other person, I'll just go back to what I said, it was like the main people who talked about the event,
01:06:10
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was and basically Louisa Lozondo had mentioned that he knew about it, but it was in his place to disclose it. And then John Ramirez went further than that and said it was actually like something coming here, like a craft coming here, right? That's it or some type of contact event. That's what he said. And then as I said, there's another one, Leslie Kane, who had the article in the New York Times, she'd said something about an event coming up and she basically was talking about something happening near future and she's no got a lot of what was the word she said she's I don't think we'll have all the things we've got now
01:06:46
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coming in the future. It was almost like she knew something, but I think maybe she's thinking about something else because being in the current news cycle, she'll be in. There's like a suspected thing that m China will invade Taiwan in 2027. If you look at 2027 and you look through stuff in an internet, that comes up quite a lot. And that dates back to like 2020 and even that folks expecting that. That's a data they'd probably can do this if it harms. The only other person I've actually heard talking about the event was Chris Bledsoe.
01:07:17
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um who wrote the, it was a book called again, UF of God. and He talked about an event coming at the end of 2026 as well. So um for what it is, I don't know. I find it interesting though. There's always seen that there's something coming around the corner.
01:07:40
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and Whether, like I say, I don't know what it is, whether we'll see If it would be anything, however, we get to 20, 27, it'd be like, there's something coming in, 20, nine, 20, 30. It just keeps, keeps going on. Cause we've had a few things this year regarding disclosure and things have been happening. Obviously you'd lose book imminent. Could that mean something is imminent to happening? Kind of take that, kind of take that name in a few different ways, really. We've, we've imminent, we've had, I think then Jason Sands came forward as another.
01:08:15
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whistleblower and not kept too much state with that one neither was for a few questions over his kind of um how genuine that was um not too sure how that kind of came out we've had more recently some more hearings that were kind of a bit of a damp script compared to previous years but guess what short guys thoughts on kind of that movement in terms of the hearings stuff like that do you think this year has been good year for that or compared to last year because obviously 2023 we had rush and kind of proper bombshell type stuff coming out whereas this year has not been like but there's just been quite a few things but not kind of as quite a bombshell this year before what do you guys think about that?
01:08:57
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I think, main mainly with the, ah some people were disappointed in the centium that got put out there. With Louise Alexander and what was her name? Shellenberger and Tim Gallaudet, Mike Gold, was it Mike Gold? So when they People are quite disappointed now, but I thought it was it was still quite a good hearing and I think the questioning from the congressmen and women were a lot better because we're more
01:09:28
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adept at knowing a bit more about the subject rather than the first time round. So we're asking better questions. and One question I did think should have got asked, but it didn't, because it opened up another avenue, is something else is in Lure's book when he talked about obviously the implant and talked about them, there was basically they had an implant that came for somebody.
01:09:50
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But we actually talked about in the book, there was a CIA officer, how many his wife got found in the garden and it ended up, it was an abduction scenario and they had an implant in the back of their neck or head, whatever it was. But then he talked further on in the book, he talked about them scientists looking at this implant and it basically had metabolism at its own.
01:10:11
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and never Nobody asked him about that, but yeah you would take that in and a sense where they would all need to read that book to obviously understand all that kind of stuff. But I just think it was a missed opportunity to open up another avenue, is something because that's where it's going to go after this. I mean, after like, let's say a friend comes in and it's like, well, what about these people? What about this? What about that? What would they contact and about What about abductions and everything? But I still, I think most people aren' in this subject would probably maybe disappointed in what was going to be brought forward. But anything to know,
01:10:40
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bringing this forward to the general public is going to just push more and more out. I mean, it might not satisfy us because we know what's going on, because we read it, we watch it, we listen to podcasts, we're following people and all that kind of stuff. So we're oppressed of what's going on before it hits that anyway. But I think then it's going to, the general public is, it's going to just push it down the road a wee bit further. And it's going to just, it's going to like push governments to actually do something. I mean, so that's a positive in that sense anyway, I think.
01:11:08
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can i just quickly say ah complete opposite to chris i just think it's all scripted the even because i don't trust the press one bit media anything like that because i said be that with the runway and you got the orbs going off and they're filming it and saying all this shit's going on and clearly it's not so I'm not saying it's all fabricated but I think it's choreographed so it's like you can say this you can respond to these type of questions but you don't respond to anything out the box and it's like there's a fence put around what they're allowed to disclose
01:11:53
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That's my true belief because it's just, if they're going to give disclosure, if you're going to be a whistleblower, why not just go the whole hog, one end of the line to the other and tell everything you're going to tell. Because if you're not, then you're not a whistleblower. It's like, well, I am a whistleblower, but I'm a bit scared. So I'm not going to tell you everything. It just as doesn't add up. Does it?
01:12:17
Speaker
Why would you say everything? Because if you said everything, what kind of, um what are the words I'm trying to think of? um You've got nothing in your back pocket to protect you. Yeah, I get that. But then why are they setting up a conference for you to disclose? But then like Chris, they're not answering the questions or they're not asking the questions in the correct way.
01:12:47
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it's two Do you think it's because the like the the congressmen and women, because they don't know all the information, they don't know what the questions to ask are? So they're asking only the questions that they think, based on the information they've got, they're only asking the questions that they think they need to know about if you see what I mean? Could be but if you're going into a room that you know what the topic is, you're going to do some research, you're going to have some knowledge of what's being done because that's their job, that's what they do, that's what they get paid to do.
01:13:25
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But in the grand scheme of things, UAP, when the world is going to shit, is probably, and this is me just playing devil's advocate, there they're less likely to be abreast of that situation than they are Ukraine war. escapes and the the yeah So that's probably why they get certain congressmen and women in there because they know they've got too much other shit going on to necessarily be focused fully to be able to ask those right questions. And when they do ask the right question, they go, can't tell you.
01:13:54
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Yeah, no, I get that, but then you shouldn't call them whistle blow as if they're not. They're partly blown away. I completely agree with you. I completely agree with you. Yeah, it's more of a fruit whistle that you can buy for like 20p from the shop.
01:14:07
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very i ah no it's funny I think that there's a ah part of this where the the Whistleblowers have came forward. Some have came out, some are still sitting on the sidelines but a there's always so much they can tell because they've signed the NDAs and there's no enough protection for them yet and that's the whole point. If they get these hearings, although they might be doing a lot for us in regards to What's there? As Greg was saying as well, it's down to sometimes the knowledge of the actual congressmen and women who's actually asking the question. You you maybe expect someone that will get briefed a wee bit by somebody saying, like, go and ask this question because it'll open up this rabbit hole that I want to push out. But I don't think much of that's happened. but
01:14:48
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The whole NDA thing, you understand where they are under NDA's and they might end up getting and basically put in jail or whatever else, or lose their clearances and stuff like that. So they need to have all their protections in place before they can come out. And that's what a lot of these kind of things were supposed to be getting done in regards to the bills that were supposed to get passed and all that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? but ah think i don't I don't think it was a nothing burger, as some people would say. I think it's still anything in the now that's getting put out as a positive kind of setting. And it is frustrating sometimes. I get i get put with paid off with it in regards to just because it's it's no quick enough. There's no enough stuff coming out. But you can understand at the same time, they've came out with so much. But I mean, one one thing it does for street media now is like you're hearing so much from the people who have came out.
01:15:42
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But the way I see it and the way I look at it is, you've got the views all is on there, you've got like people like Semivan, you've got like, and you've got like, all the people who worked on OSAP, they don't seem to be actually working on the legacy program, right? They, to me, if you look into all the stuff and you've read everything and looking at it, they've actually been set up and then they try to, they try to get made an SAP and then get refused.
01:16:09
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Right. They also tried to get like some of the stuff for Lockheed Martin or like any stuff we had all that if you can read the books, or whatever, right. But, um, but it seemed to be that. they obviously were privy to knowledge and stuff that was coming in through basically a task force, going to filllock but they weren't involved in the the legacy program. It was like they were a separate from that. And then it's like, so all the people that had come in and earlier, like Jay Stratton, unless he is in the legacy program, like Jay Stratton, Louisa Lozondo, they were all in the outside and but knew that was there. And that's like,
01:16:42
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they're trying to kind of get the suit and get the further it and that's where that immaculate constellations came from and stuff like that as well because that's part of the legacy program. The only person that actually, I think, unless learning that maybe come out with mere stuff and say the where but the only person I probably think who is prominently coming out you might think part of the legacy program is Hal Puthoff.
01:17:03
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Potentially, in the restroom you might know, you know what I mean? There might be many people coming out behind the scenes, you know what I mean? So, matter of what, two top ones worth. I just don't trust the media or the government. They all work together.
01:17:20
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rules We'll see what happens, but it's like you were saying, it's us that doing the disclosure. It's us doing the research and looking into it and talking and interviewing these guys. And they're giving us the information that they've been studying from pretty much the day they were born. So it's them that I trust more than anyone else.
01:17:41
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True. True. And Greg's trying not to laugh at Andy's comment. Sorry, I couldn't resist. So Greg put up a link to an asteroid that's probably going to hit, or 96% chance of hitting Earth in 2027. To his only applied 4% chance that it's a drone.
01:18:07
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Is this real, this document? Yeah, this that that first document came from JPLNASA.gov website. It's a briefing that I was just Googling ah from the 2017 Planetary Defense Conference in Tokyo, Japan. Then the second um link that I've put at the end is the link to um the NASA the planetary defense conference exercise 2017 provided to support an emergency response exercise conducted during the international academy of astronautics
01:18:50
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um And to the the the interesting bit that I had, that the leaders working group, the slogan was, no fatal no fatalities, nobody dies. So that's for sure. Well I was just looking at the impact zone, as long as you're not in China or Japan, you're going to be alright.
01:19:07
Speaker
yeah There's an interesting thing though, because I was looking at the whole thing as well in regards to, right, what is this 2027 event? Because you can, obviously, you've got ah a fly pass by Apophis and then you've got like, Apophis comes back and it's at 2029 and there's something else, right? And I was looking at and theono cities knew that he hit his new apoice and but I kind of, it's no more place to tell the public of what this is, right?
01:19:32
Speaker
But the other thing I was, you look right into it as well, so see the dark mission when the dark mission was up and they um were studying an asteroid and then crashed like that, smoke and a satellite type craft into it. There's another dark mission planned for, might be the same one, of a an object that's passing by here from 2027, the Chinese are doing it. And it's like some type of craft that's going to go up and obviously study, would you call it, like an asteroid or whatever. And maybe that's it. I mean, because these things now, they know now that they can do that and they can actually knock them off their course with crashing things into them. And that was one of the main thing, when they crashed the thing into dark mission, they could understand that they could actually knock the trajectory of the object off with doing that, rather than doing it really, really crazy. yeah
01:20:19
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they've done it far enough away so I mean I was always I'd look at all the kind of things and like really put one in five together and and come out to 12 or something you know just looking at all the different kind of data that's there. Just quickly and I think one of the best people to speak to about this because this is what he studies is Agnost, I've interviewed him a few times and his knowledge on like space and how things travel through space and how close things actually get is like somewhere else but yeah he's a good guy to talk to about shit that's going on up there i just wanted to cover off the fact that going move going back to uaps because i know we've kind of done quite a quite a lot on this episode i'm a garden now is that we um
01:21:14
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We see that these objects like tic-tac and all these kinds of objects travel at speeds that are nowhere near anything that we could possibly imagine, let alone um fly or or develop.
01:21:30
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so back in I think it was about 2018 I went to Florida on the way back they were actually I missed the launch of SpaceX thing where they were launching a particular probe that was going to be ah the Parker Solar Probe um and they launched this and this was going to be the fastest man-made object flying towards the Sun it was going to be the nearest thing to go towards Sun this week it actually happened which is weird and I've just googled it um
01:22:03
Speaker
And they say that like the TikTok and that instant acceleration, ah phenomenal speed. So the fastest man-made object has been traveling at 430,000 miles an hour. And that's because it's been slingshotting and everything like that. So it took years to even get to that speed.
01:22:24
Speaker
And we're talking about these drones are flying prosaically, but the tic-tac and all those kinds of things, they they fly at instant speeds across vast distances, clearly faster than 430,000 miles an hour. um So it's just interesting to note that our technology has only allowed us to get something up to that speed through slingshot, inbound planets and orbits. So just thought I'd mention that.
01:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, could I just quickly jump on that? Because I had... Can it be your slogan? Just quickly? It is. No, it'd be really quick on me. We've talked about drones of a week and someone put in the comments that a pilot apparently recorded one of the drones and this is what I just thought. It's absolute nonsense. It took off at Mach 5. That's 38,000 miles an hour or thereabouts. How can you even measure it take you wouldn't see it. it's see It's there, then it's not there. If you was to record it and slow it right down on the best video equipment, you'd probably just catch a little blur of something that could be anything. You ain't gonna see that.
01:23:40
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It's a pilot that recorded it. It took off a .38 Mach 5. So make of that whatever you will. ah
01:23:53
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Cool.
Podcasting and Future Exploration Plans
01:23:54
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I guess as we start to wrap up this podcast, I guess it'd be cool to kind of hear what each of you are going to be up to or got planned with your podcast, with your shows, with your research in the next 12 months, what you're kind of looking forward to. So I guess if you go around and the room, ah Chris, what have you got planned and where can the listeners find your podcast?
01:24:18
Speaker
Listeners can find us on our social media, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Podbean or other podcasts and sites and stuff like that. Just Scottish Paranormal Podcast. Just take that in, you'll find us there. 2025, probably a bit more busier than this year. Been pretty hectic this year with just everything. But look, they try and get a wee bit of documentary out for various stuff for the area. I've got a number of cases now at the take in at the up north as well, cryptid-wise, things like that. and Really wanted a recent kind of podcast with Jim Sagalla, if he's getting to walk around and he worked with Hal Puthoff and all that kind of stuff, developed the technology for recording some of the phenomena. It's got some really good technologies, good so I'm hoping to try and recoup some of that and get it planked up in some of these areas as well and do a bit of time-line over it and see if we can record anything.
01:25:15
Speaker
doing all that but yeah so just that and get guests on and do a bit more investigations to be honest when you get out there a wee bit more you know what I mean it's just ah and plenty to see and do up here so that's kind of my plans for if we're still here. yeah how How long have we got left? quick Quickly. Quickly. So Ash knows so I'm out with Ash in the warmer months of this year where we went out and I went, I was on a paranormal road trip, went out to different locations around the UK, so went up to Manchester, went up to Bempton, met with Paul Sinclair, went down to Nottingham, Woolston Hall, but about the Woolston Gnomes, Kate Hergo Ray. She was going to try and meet me but couldn't due to work commitment, so she sent me some audio.
01:26:07
Speaker
of what went on so I did a lot of filming around the area so I still need to put it all together I've not even touched it it's just sat on my iPad waiting so I've got to do that get all that together then I went over to Canada been down to Rendlesham so I've got all that going on I've got two trips planned to go out to the States next year but free in total but one of them I can't talk about um so I've got One to Florida and then one to um Gettysburg, like a week after each other. I might have to do it as two individuals go out and come back. Um, I'm doing the Paracan in September, the sixth and the seventh in now, which with, um, Ben and Ian, yeah they're doing. So I'm talking at that one.
01:26:58
Speaker
I'm going down to the cryptid conference with Daniel Barnett. He's running. it I'm not, I'm just going watching and seeing the people that are going to be guest talking and that. So I've booked me, it's not bad as well. Three day ticket is 25 pound VIP. So I've booked that. I've got the time off work and I've booked the hotel on Boxing Day night. I guess it was really cheap. So I was i was planning on sleeping in the car and because it's a lot of, um,
01:27:27
Speaker
wooded area around there was a lot going on because it's out it's just outside Bristol that down near Somerset. It's at Bridgewater, around that way. So I was going to sleep in the cab and just go out to these places and see what's going on. And then I thought, no, I need my comfort too much. One night it'd be all right, but I don't think it would do three nights. So like Chris, I want to go out and do investigating more. So I'm going a couple of meetups down at Rendlesham. I'm going up doing up into Scotland to do some filming meeting up with a couple of people that can't really talk about that um possibility of going to Massachusetts to do some cryptid filming still waiting for that to be put through and what have you yeah and just conference just conferences every other month starting in April
01:28:23
Speaker
and then right the way through you till November, it's just non-stop. I don't know how I'm gonna fit it in, I really don't. Don't know what I'm gonna do.
01:28:33
Speaker
So fun. Where can we find you on the show, Andy? Oh, so. You should. So I did have a different charge, I thought, do you know, what balock so I'm gonna stick it all in one. So me and the Mrs. Do one, which is more just us chatting. um And I thought, you know what, rather than,
01:28:51
Speaker
Do it here, there, and everywhere. I'm just gonna stick it all in one place, and then you get different types of viewers or listeners and that. So YouTube, Alien8UK, or Andy Decodes, type either of them to him, you'll find it. um As well, if you upload, I don't know if Chris knows about this, but if you upload, because I use Podbean, because it's Chris that told me about this, you also go onto Audible. So you can listen on Audible as well, there's a podcast.
01:29:19
Speaker
I only found this out about three, four days ago. So I'm on Spotify, Apple, all your podcast players. I am on TikTok, but I've started using Instagram a lot more now, on Facebook, two Facebook groups. And that's it. Nice one. Greg, what are you doing next year?
01:29:40
Speaker
Well you tell me. So we're looking to do more investigations out and about. We've been heavily investing time into social media and TikTok. um I've personally got a book that i'm writing at the moment so that'll be my first book but second book through me and ash type thing um but yeah like trying to get out there more we've i had a quiet year this year for for personal reasons um but that's all been sorted and life's good again so
01:30:22
Speaker
We, um yeah, hoping to to get up north a bit more. um I've been up more this the last couple of months than I have done in the four years that I've known Ash. So, um get to do some more of that. um Just getting some more paranormal equipment together. Got personalized equipment for Christmas, which was quite cool. Podcast personalized equipment.
01:30:43
Speaker
um so yeah just doing doing more of the same but more of the same um and about a bit more it'd be good to get more investigations um under our belt um enjoy doing that enjoy doing that with ash so yeah we've got some great guests coming up um yeah i just great to be sort of backing the thicker things again really No awesome like so got some big guests coming up some mainstream ah Kind of not by normal famous, but normal famous people coming on We'll get some more conferences ah definite I'm speaking at power con which as well
01:31:25
Speaker
and repeat upon um and released in the documentary hopefully late spring early summer hopefully have that out like that the editing process is just ridiculous yeah i know the air this sort of the fright of starting it but we have started it and we are cracking on with and with that and just getting out and i loved that went up to scotland for a week just did a full like six days of just investigation and filming and I absolutely loved that side of it. So we're going to do more of that this year. Um, kind of doing about maybe somewhere not quite as far as, uh, Scotland was a bit more local. Uh, but yeah, Andy. Yeah, sorry. Can I just add, um, I'm going to be going out on the kayak as well. A lot more that on the rivers and canals, because when you, like I was saying to you guys before, it's like, it's all right. Me going through the woods and that, but you don't get to see it from the other perspective. So if you're on the water.
01:32:20
Speaker
and you're looking out, you might possibility of seeing stuff that you wouldn't usually see as what you would walk in or cycling somewhere. So I'm going to be doing that. And like you guys as well, I've got guests lined up up till May and it's just, it's great, but it's ridiculous as well. It's just so busy, but loving it. Absolutely love it.
01:32:44
Speaker
Awesome, and I guess it just to finish off, it's the end of the year and and kind of ended on a bit of a down and out I guess.
Tributes and Closing Remarks
01:32:53
Speaker
We had the death of Jerry Pauley recently co-host of the Hillbilly Horror Stories podcast, one of the most popular ones in the US s is a guest on our podcast and he wrote the foreword, the foreword for our book That's good, we kind of got that kind of piece of him in our kind of history that he passed away not too long ago, as did Howard Hughes when he explained. I didn't want to just sort end this year without kind of mentioning.
01:33:21
Speaker
that one of the biggest and longest running shows kind of set the standard really for paranormal podcasts. I was a guest on his show a couple of years ago. The first time I did like a Poppy show, doing it live as well. So I was really nervous doing that, but frankly, he invited me on. Talk about Scotland actually, UFO signs in Scotland. And he passed away not too long ago. So kind of just as we end the show, we end the year kind of remembering them as well as kind of pioneers in the podcast, the paranormal podcast world.
01:33:52
Speaker
so yeah thank you guys for joining us really enjoyed this chat there news panel umtable um moves the shoulder off chris and i do so yeah but guys thank you very much and hope have a great new year new too fun you for bridgeds Thanks for having us for listening to Pursuit of the Paranormal with Ash Ellis, title music created by Steve Yarwood and Ambienfinity.
01:34:19
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