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Episode 2: Startup Draft Recap!
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Recapping the Startup Draft of the NSFW Dynasty League. We run through all of the trades involved int he draft, breakdown each round with best & worst picks, grade each team's performance, and a sneak peak at next week's Rookie Draft. This is a monster episode so buckle up!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. And that is our stock opening music as we wait on Gage and Dirty Work to provide us with some exclusive tunes.
Meet the Hosts
00:00:20
Speaker
I am your host, Dave Reed, joined by my co-host Joey Gallo and Ryan Wilkinson. What's up, guys?
00:00:29
Speaker
Happy to be here. Yes, we are. We are in episode two. We made it, guys. And we got a beast of the show for you today.
Draft Completion Recap
00:00:36
Speaker
After a little more than two weeks, we officially and finally finished our set up draft last week. We are going to run through all the trades that went on during that draft.
Trades and Draft Highlights
00:00:46
Speaker
The best and worst picks of the draft give each team a draft grade and a quick look ahead at next week's rookie draft.
00:00:53
Speaker
We got a lot to cover, so I do think it'll take a little less time than the first round of our drafted, but with that, let's just jump right into it. So throw out some of the draft stats that we had. There were three pre-draft trades and 15 mid-draft trades for a total of 18 trades. There were 74 picks or assets that were traded during that, and 11 out of the 12 teams and leagues were involved in at least one of those trades. Mike Hafford and Mike Loomz did not participate, step it up guys.
00:01:21
Speaker
And then Schluter led the charge with eight total trades, nearly half of the trades that went down. Second place was a tie between Scott and the Rosinski Boroughs with five trades apiece. Yeah, I'm not at all surprised to see Schluter on there. He just loves trading to trade. And then Scott and Matt, I think it was pretty clear that they went in with the strategy of trading back for more mid-round guys. So seeing them as the top three makes a lot of sense.
00:01:53
Speaker
Pretty awesome to see guys just going out there and deciding who they want and doing what it takes to get those guys on their team. I think that was the approach that I wanted to take going in. And it seemed like a lot of people followed, too. So it was a fun draft. It was one of the more fun drafts that I've been a part of. I know we were making a lot of jokes about the length of time it was taking, but I've never been in a draft where there were that many trades. So fun times.
Dynasty vs. Redraft Fun
00:02:23
Speaker
Yeah and I have to say I had never done a dynasty draft before and I figured the first round would take a while so I wasn't too shocked there but I was definitely surprised at how long the second, third, fourth rounds went as I think everyone was but I have to say I thought it was awesome. I had a ton of fun and like way more fun than a redraft startup draft so I thought it was really really cool.
00:02:52
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, I just thought it was awesome about how much participation we got. Like Joey said, I've never seen so many trades, but I also never seen so many owners participate in trade. Usually had like maybe half the league are like really active. And like, even though I know Kaffir and Mike Williams, they didn't actually get one done. It wasn't that they weren't in discussion. So it's cool to see that everyone's like willing to try to get a trade done, which they'll set up for a good year.
00:03:17
Speaker
With that, I figured we'd start jumping into some of those trades.
Early Key Trades
00:03:20
Speaker
Last pod, we did talk about some of the pre-draft trades, and I just want to quickly touch upon those. I want to spend too much time there since we already talked about them. But there were a couple of pretty significant trades before the draft happened. So the first one was our very own Ryan Wilkinson traded with Schluter. Schluter was trying to move back, and Ryan and Sean were trying to move up in the first round to get a second first round pick.
00:03:44
Speaker
Those player equivalents turned out to be a trade of the Wilkinson's giving up. Tyra Kale, T. Higgins, J.K. Dobbins, Derek Henry, and the rookie 201 for Justin Fields, Ramadre Stevenson, Isaiah Pacheco, Jordan Love, and the rookie 207. None of these players, I think, were actually drafted by these teams. All these assets, for the most part, were used for subsequent trades. But overall, from the value standpoint, I'd say it's pretty even overall there. But I wanted to see if you guys had any other thoughts
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Stevenson's the only one that ended up actually on our team. So like you said, it's kind of hard to, you know, compare the trade when so much happened after that, but I think it did end up pretty fair on both sides and we both ended up using those assets in different ways later on. Yeah, I was going to say, um, it, the biggest thing to me, the biggest outcome of this deal was that it,
00:04:41
Speaker
ultimately led to Team Wilkinson ending up with Allen and Hertz at QB. If that was the big downstream, that could have repercussions for a lot of years to come in the league.
00:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. And it is, and we'll get into it, but it's cool that a lot of teams are thinking multiple trades ahead. It wasn't just, this is the trade, I'm getting these guys, like, I got this trade, how can I continue to improve? And with that being said, Schluter immediately made another trade after this trade was done. So he then traded picks that turned out to be T Higgins, Tua, and Derek Henry to the Racinski Bros.
00:05:21
Speaker
for players that turned out to be Trevor Lawrence, Joe Mixon, and Jameson Williams. So Schluter moved out of the first round and then immediately moved right back in there. And in this trade, I think Schluter got like incredible value. I thought that was like a really good move for him. Yeah, I thought he got really good value with that trade. You know, the 108 pick moved hands so many times. I think I ended up with Dave.
00:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about this trade and the players that ended up with each pick, but I definitely would take shooter side of the trade. I think he made out better than the Rosinski's on this one. Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's tough to assess this one, given the fact that that 108 changed hands up a number of times. But in a vacuum, I think I would have liked the trade better for Schluter if that pick was ultimately used on
00:06:15
Speaker
Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. I think that the value there for that first round pick would have been a little bit more, but I think ultimately he would then turn the 108 into a trade up for Lamar Jackson.
Trading Strategies
00:06:32
Speaker
So again, it's kind of about getting your guy and in that instance, if he was ultimately trying to end up with Lamar as his QB one, which he surely was, and it got the job done.
00:06:42
Speaker
Yeah, sometimes it's hard to make a major step up, so the way you get to those values, you take two incremental trades to make it a little easier for the seller to give you that more valuable piece.
00:06:53
Speaker
There was one other pre-draft trade by, again, surprise prize, Schluter. Schluter, yet again, made another trade to, as Joey mentioned, to move up a little bit further to the first round. He traded at 108, which we mentioned was turned into Trevor Lawrence, and a player turned into JK Dobbins, Scott Rapizotti.
00:07:13
Speaker
for the 105, which turned into Lamar Jackson and came acres. As we know, Schluter is a Ravens guy, so we kind of all knew he was moving up for Lamar, but as you mentioned, you go and get your guys, so I have no problem with that.
00:07:28
Speaker
Yeah, I actually think this was one of Scott's better trades. He only moved back three spots in the first, but moved up three rounds from the seventh to the fourth. I think Schluter maybe overpaid a little bit for Lamar, but obviously, like you said, he's a Ravens guy. And if you want your guy, you don't want to risk it. So he went out and got him. Yeah. I mean, I personally view goblins as a significantly
00:07:54
Speaker
greater asset than Acres. So in this particular instance, I think the gap between Dobbins and Acres is larger than the gap between Jackson and Lawrence. But again, you got to get your guy. And if you're a big Ravens guy and you want Lamar on the squad, I completely understand it. So at the end of the day, right, like
00:08:15
Speaker
there's Lamar has just as much upside with his rushing and the fact that they've added a lot of weapons in the passing game and I think the offense has been a look a lot different this year and you know I'm just like not so sold on Trevor Lawrence which I think will be a common theme of my commentary in this entire pod but can't wait
00:08:43
Speaker
I think that's kind of where I stand on this one. Awesome. Well, those are the pre-draft trades. And then we had our first in-draft trade. I think it took us about 17 hours for this trade to finally happen. This pick was on the clock for. So the Wilkinsons were on the clock with the 107 that they acquired. And mind you, they had the 101 already. They took about
00:09:09
Speaker
Seven and a half of the eight hours plus the what is it ten hours that we had overnight to finally get this deal done, but
00:09:15
Speaker
It was definitely worth it. It was a blockbuster. So they ended up trading the 107, the 608, the 806, the rookie 112 and 207 to Krope who had already drafted at the 103 jail and hurts. So this is a move to get jail and hurts. And with jail and hurts, they got basically garbage in the 25th round and 26th round pick. Those are basically
00:09:39
Speaker
plays you will cut eventually. But they did get a 2024 first, which I found to be an interesting piece of the deal. And Krope basically turned the 107 to Justin Fields. So effectively, Krope downgraded from Jalen Hurts to Justin Fields. And he got to pick up Pacheco, Jordan Love, a late first and mid second. And he did give up a future first. So I personally thought this was really good value for Krope. But I also, if you're making a move for an elite guy like Jalen Hurts, you're not.
00:10:10
Speaker
You're not doing this at fair value. You have to overwhelm someone to make that happen, which I think what they did to get their guy. And I'm perfectly fine with it. I do think, personally, that Fields has a lot of similarities that Jalen Hurts had about a year ago. Now, we know Jalen Hurts is that, and there's value in knowing what the asset is. We don't know what Fields is going to do if you can make that step up. But there is potential that Fields could get
00:10:37
Speaker
Close to that tier to make this a lot more favorite rope, but want to get your guys though It's obviously we have the man involved in the trade here, too So it'd be great to get his inside as well. Yeah, I'll let Joe go first Again hindsight being 20 20 here. I think I would agree with Dave that from an asset perspective I would say croak won this trade. I think he
00:11:06
Speaker
made the right move and picked up some good assets to only move back. I would say to make what I would consider to be a acceptable downgrade from Jaylen Hertz to Justin Fields. The assets that he ended up with,
Quarterback Trading Drama
00:11:28
Speaker
with the 608 and the 806, which he acquired, I'm not a huge
00:11:36
Speaker
Jordan Love guy. I'm not a huge Isaiah Pacheco guy. And I think taking a look, again, hindsight being 20-20, Tralon Burks could have been taken with that .608. Mike Williams could have been taken with that .806. So if you kind of look at a package of Justin Fields, Tralon Burks, Mike Williams for Hertz, you know, for me, that's probably a move I make. And if you throw in
00:12:04
Speaker
the two additional rookie picks. So asset-wise, it was the right move. And, you know, for me, I might have gone different directions with those picks, but, you know, I like to trade for both sides and I commend both of you guys. I mean, well, the QB situation you have is legit. But I think that, you know, Cope did pretty well for himself too, though.
00:12:28
Speaker
Yeah, so obviously, as Dave mentioned, it took a long time. Let's say it's funny, we really thought Crop was going for Jefferson. So we were actually shocked when he then took fields. To me, I'll start there. I think, you know, if I look at the players that Crop ended up drafting, I actually like it even a little more for us. I think
00:12:57
Speaker
You know, it definitely can work out for him. And I think it was a very fair trade. I'm not saying that we had the better side of it at all. But I think Fields is actually a pretty big downgrade to Hurts. He wasn't even on teams in redraft leagues for the first half of last year. And then he was rushing for like 200 yards a game, which is not sustainable. And then kind of like Joe said, I'm not a huge love Orpacheco fan. So like seeing those guys used as those picks
00:13:26
Speaker
Neither one of them really is you know up there for me and then The rookie picks I will say at the time we kind of looked at it as well if we're taking Hertz from crope Then the 2024 first might actually be a little more valuable there's some trades that happen later on that we'll get into that I think
00:13:48
Speaker
you know, lowered the value of that pick a little bit. And then for the picks we gave up, you know, we're giving up the last pick in the first round and we had already traded back in the second round. So to us, those really weren't super, super valuable picks. So even, you know, I would
00:14:05
Speaker
taking the 2024 first over both of those rookie picks this year anyways. So we still like the trade. We like the way it worked out. Our whole goal going into it when we traded with Schluter initially was to grab two top QBs. And when it turned out we could get Hertz, we felt that we were getting two QBs that are kind of a tier above everyone else but a Mahomes. So we're going to ride with them and see how it works out.
00:14:32
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I have no problem with that trade at all. Again, when you're going for any, basically any one of the first 10 picks in this draft for the most part, uh, you have to overwhelm like, and we'll say this like after Jeff, you try to get any of these guys going forward. If you like do calculators, you, and it comes out fair trade, it's never going to get accepted. Like no one is going to say you have to go big and that this is a big boy traded. You did like, and I, again, I don't think this is like,
00:15:01
Speaker
an overpay or overwhelming. I think stroke got better value, but that's what it takes. That's what you need to get to accept the trade. Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. If we tried to trade for Hertz right now after the draft, I don't think it happens.
00:15:17
Speaker
We kind of looked at that too. We're like, this is probably our only shot to get someone like that. You know, if, if we had fields, Pacheco in love and we offered them to him for Hertz, I don't know if it's guaranteed that he takes it with his 2024 first. So yeah. No, very true. But, uh, yeah, I mean, that's where the firework started. Um, and they didn't stop the first round, continue to have a lot of moves. So we move right in at the very next pick.
00:15:45
Speaker
Another trade was going on. It was the continually moving 108. Also, we ended up in my lap.
00:15:51
Speaker
So I was at the 111 and I wanted to move up to 108. So I ended up packaging my 111 with the 311 and 402 to get the 108, the 408, and the 412. So moving back a little bit with those two later picks to move up three spots. Players turned out to be me giving up A.J. Brown, Devontae Adams, and Austin Eckler to Scott for the player who I eventually drafted and Joe Hates and Trevor Lawrence, T.J. Hockinson and Jay Cadavans.
00:16:19
Speaker
Joe, we'll lean into it. I also was very in my right nose too, because I was talking about this. Very conflicted with this pick between Lawrence, Chase, and JJ. JJ is definitely the value. And like if I was in Ryan Chute and I already had a quarterback picked up, that's who I would have gone with. I actually personally like Chase long term more than JJ. I don't know if that's like
00:16:40
Speaker
spicy or not, but I think Chase is the better dynasty asset than JJ. But ultimately, I was looking at the whole scheme of my picks, and I knew I could get a higher end wide receiver in the next pick, so I went with Lawrence and paid up for it to get my guy, because I was like, this is a tier break at quarterback for me. I don't like any quarterbacks after Lawrence, and I think Lawrence can be in that upper echelon eventually, but paid up for it. But when I hear your guys, so rip it into me, when I hear it.
00:17:07
Speaker
So I'll start and then I'll let Joe rip into you because I actually like your side of the trade.
Team Strategies and Surprises
00:17:13
Speaker
I have to say if Sean and I kept the 107, we were probably going to take Trevor Lawrence. I liked him more than fields and we were just debating between him and, and Jefferson. Um, so I liked the move up for Lawrence. I don't think you actually gave up that much. Like you gave up.
00:17:32
Speaker
you know, a late third and an early fourth for two fourth round picks that to me, I don't think Scott made you really pay enough because I agree with you. I think there was kind of a tear break there. So I liked it. Yeah. So not going to, not going to totally, totally work into you on this one because I get it right. Like I was in a very similar position to you at that time where
00:17:57
Speaker
the quarterback situation was looking bleak and more quarterbacks were going. I think just like general commentary on how that first round went. I was not expecting, I was expecting that Jefferson and Chase would go before Lawrence and Fields. So that was kind of a curve ball. I mean, playing devil's advocate, Scott basically ends up with the unanimous startup draft 101.
00:18:27
Speaker
player like non super flex 101 and granted we're playing in a super flex format here a lot of the rankings that you would look at out there even for a super flex would have you know your top three or four guys at QB and then Chase and Jefferson so to lock in Jefferson there when you know you can make the argument that like I said Lawrence still probably has a little bit to prove as a long-term asset I mean
00:18:57
Speaker
He definitely has the pedigree. He definitely had a very strong season last year. So the odds are certainly in his favor. But I think that Jefferson is very valuable. And I don't, I wouldn't say that, I appreciate where Dave makes that move to lock in the quarterback at the back end of the tier. But I also think that
00:19:26
Speaker
I mean, as somebody who also moved up in the first round to lock in the other wide receiver of those two after feeling like they were slipping back far beyond their actual value, it's hard to hate the Jefferson side there. Yeah, I mean, and I was in full transparent. When I was on the clock, I was very torn. I tried to trade with Adam for the next pick to get JJ.
00:19:55
Speaker
I then tried to trade with Harry and Dacosta, and they just said no at night, and then the very next morning, find out what happened with the next trade. They ended up making, they traded back with our very own Joey Gala. They ended up trading their 110 and the 603, the Joey for the 201 and the 401. So they moved back three picks, and they moved up about two rounds, which is a steep price. But again, this is where, in my opinion,
00:20:24
Speaker
hyper, hyper elite assets of the, of this draft, we're going to fall off and chase for the last of it. So Joey moved up, he effectively traded Garrett, Wilson and Drake London. When you look at the names is a pretty steep price to get your Marches, Johan Dotson, who
00:20:40
Speaker
Ultimately it wasn't drafted by Joey, but it's another valuable piece there. But, um, I, I love the move to go up and get chase thinking high, high in, uh, asset, but also like for Dan and Harry, like those two wide receivers are two of the better wide receivers and dynasty as well. So, but let's hear, hear what you guys think.
Wide Receiver Trade Strategies
00:20:59
Speaker
Yeah, this is a close one for me on paper. I think it is pretty fair.
00:21:05
Speaker
I might actually lean a little more on the Harrison to Costa side just because like you said I think you know if you look really long term about it right now Chase is no doubt one of the top Dynasty assets but
00:21:19
Speaker
Wilson in London could both be up there in a year or two So I think it might have been a little too steep for me, but I do totally get it right now Jefferson and chase by far the top two receivers So, you know you want to move up into that tier you you're gonna have to pay a price Yeah That's pretty much what it came down to for me my opinion was essentially that fields
00:21:49
Speaker
And that Jefferson and Chase should have gone to three picks earlier than they did. Um, like Dave was saying earlier, right? Like at this point in most times, the non super flex formats, Chase and Jefferson are essentially the top two untouchable assets. Um, so.
00:22:15
Speaker
to be able to move up and lock in Chase as hopefully, you know, cornerstone piece for the roster. And also keep my first round pick so that I would have an earlier shot at QB. Like, I think in my mind, I was thinking that, you know, if Harry and Dave came back to me and said, no, we want your, you know, 112,
00:22:41
Speaker
then I would have said, all right, well, then I'm going to send you back my fifth instead of my sixth, or I'm going to want your fifth instead of your sixth, because I kind of view that as a decent break, right? Because again, another thing that we're going to probably get to later on is that I actually think Kyler is pretty undervalued in Dynasty right now from a quarterback standpoint.
00:23:05
Speaker
If you look at his pedigree and what he's actually been able to do over the last however many seasons with Quite a bit of production Not like totally sure where it's like such a general consensus that guys like fields and Lawrence are being drafted before him so for me it was all right, you know, like I get to lock in a a start up the wide receiver position and
00:23:33
Speaker
also a guy who I think is pretty undervalued and I'm probably getting a decent bargain with a QB as well. So, I mean, happy with the way that it turned out. And I think that, you know, as far as, you know, fair and balanced, it was, you know, worked out pretty well for both of us. Yeah, for sure.
00:23:56
Speaker
And, uh, it was just more of the theme of like going up and getting your guide. It happened again, like the first round, like I feel like half the pace got traded and the next trade as well after the one time got traded, the one 11 got traded as well. Scott just kept moving back and Schluter kept finding ways to get back in the first round. So.
00:24:13
Speaker
Schluter traded up. He traded his 206, 307, and 508. Scott's move up and get the 111, the 905, and the 2024 first. So in this, Schluter gave up, who ended up being Christian McCaffrey, Tua, and Joe Mixon, the Scott who effectively gave up A.J. Brown, Bryan Robinson, the 2024 first. So Schluter clearly wanted to get another high-end wide receiver and felt highly of A.J. Brown.
00:24:41
Speaker
and somehow scooped up another 2021 there too. So he's also not only getting current year assets, but he's getting some future draft capital. But what are your guys' thoughts there? Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure what your take is here, Rod. But I actually like the Scott side here. I do think long-term AJ Brown is the best
00:25:09
Speaker
asset if you will but CMC to a mix in while I have longevity concerns about all three of them and mixes over the hill and I think that there could be there could be two maybe three really really strong years still ahead for the three of those guys and when you're talking about that for potentially you know one guy in the future first
00:25:35
Speaker
I like the production profile of the trio there that Scott was picking up. Yeah, this is where I lean towards. I think Scott just traded back a little too much. If he would have picked here, I think I would have liked it better. But he not only traded back again, he also gave up his 2024 first.
00:25:57
Speaker
I don't know, I lean towards Schluter side of it. I like trading up to get A.J. Brown there. I think he could definitely be the cornerstone for quite a few years. So I lean a little toward Schluter side, but I do see, you know, McCaffrey too and Mixon are all pretty good assets and Scott should, you know, be pretty good with those guys going forward. So I think it was pretty fair, but
00:26:24
Speaker
I don't love the trade back on Scott's part there, so I'd lean towards Schluter. I mean, this is what I love about it and why Dynasty trades are pretty fun too. The values of players are so much wider than in Redraft. It's very set in stone. Dynasty, the way people value it is completely different. Obviously, we have two different good points, and that's why trades get done more often in Dynasty as well, because of those viewpoints there.
00:26:52
Speaker
I thought Scott got really good value there, mainly because of the drop off to the 905 is a pretty big gap. But to your point, the 2024 first could be pretty valuable as well. That'll definitely be an interesting one to kind of see how that one turned out. I actually don't think all those players ended up on Scott's theme. These were two of the more active players in the trade market, but that is definitely an interesting one. The next one we got is one where it definitely seems when you look at the names, like a pretty pricey,
00:27:21
Speaker
tag to move up, but one that I could definitely see working out. So, Krope wanted to move up. He'd been talking about this to me pre-draft as well. He wanted Travis Kelsey, and we're also, the reminder, a title and premium format, so that means
00:27:35
Speaker
tight ends get a full point per reception where everyone else gets only a hat point. So Travis Kelsey definitely carries extra value, especially in the current year. He was drafted at the 205 and he traded with Matt Brzezinski for. He traded away his 210, so he moved up five spots. And to do that, he gave up his rookie 110, which is definitely not a cheap price, but when you also see the name that's associated to the 210 with Jonathan Taylor, who's a very valuable Dynasty asset. And I think even maybe last year,
00:28:05
Speaker
if we were doing this start-up, Jeff, he was probably a top three, top five overall pick. Maybe not in super flex, but in single quarterback leads, he was top three, top two. He had it down near last year, but he's still a top three, top five running back. So you give up that and a back-end rookie pick to move a five and
Tight End Trade Analysis
00:28:22
Speaker
get it. Travis Kelsey, who will dominate this year, but is getting a little bit older.
00:28:28
Speaker
It's definitely an opinion of like what it's more opinion. What are you trying to do this year? I do think Jonathan Taylor's also went out peace, but I do see the massive advantage of getting Travis Kelsey by making this move. So what do you guys think? Well, I think you're definitely right on Taylor. I think when the trade was made, though, you didn't know Taylor was going to be there for Matt's pick. I was shocked that he just kept falling and falling.
00:28:52
Speaker
At the time, this trade killed me. I thought it was actually a great trade on Crope's part, which I hated because we had his 2024. I think Kelsey is just a super, super valuable asset. Instantly makes Crope's team a contender this year. I would do it. I think he only... We're looking at it as he gave up Taylor, but at the time he only
00:29:20
Speaker
you know, moved up five spots for a rookie 110. So I personally would have done the trade. I think it makes this team really, really legit. And you know, running backs are just so hit or miss. He had a down year last year. Let's say Kelsey retires in two to three years. Who's to say Taylor is still considered a top running back at that time. So I really liked the trade. Yeah. So I would try and I'll give my
00:29:46
Speaker
Assessment that this one based upon the lens of I have Kelsey and another one of my super flex dynasty leads and if someone offered me right now Taylor and the 110 I Would probably decline so that for what it's worth. I think I I think I value Kelsey more than Then those two that being said, right?
00:30:10
Speaker
I think if you were to replace Taylor with one of the wide receivers that were drafted subsequently, like Chris Lance, I'm in wrestling Brown, and especially Chris Olave, who I love. You know, if somebody offers me Chris Olave in the 110 for Kelsey, that I probably accept.
00:30:27
Speaker
So I think the value is there. I think it was a fair deal. I like the move by croak to move up for Kelsey there. And I think as it turns out, you know, if I'm assigning a winner of that trade, the way that the picture made, I would say Kelsey size. Yeah. I mean, I will say in this format too, Kelsey is going to push to put up
00:30:52
Speaker
numbers that rival the top five wide receivers this year. That's what I was going to say. He's going to beat most of the wide receivers. He's going to be super, super valuable. So I really like it. Yeah. The only downside of Kelsey, and again, this is just nipping. He's like 32, 33, but Kropa is setting up to win this year and he's definitely making a push. He also, he picked up before that trade, a second first round pick, which he's now and moved to next trade, leveraged to make another move up again, to get another player who is going to
00:31:21
Speaker
really make that 2024 first ride that you got less valuable again.
Win-Now Strategy with Key Trades
00:31:26
Speaker
So, Krope moved up, he had the 303, he wanted to move up, again, only, I believe, three, yeah, four spots in the 212. He gave up his other rookie pick that he picked from the Ryan trade, the 112. So, he effectively traded Chris Olave and the 112 for Tarek Tyrikale.
00:31:46
Speaker
This one, I'll let you guys talk about this first. I have a viewpoint. I think this is actually a win for both teams, but I want to hear you guys' view on this. Yeah, I'll jump in first. I mean, like I said a minute ago, I'm a big Crystal Labby guy, so getting a Labby and a rookie pick is obviously appealing. I think that at the same time, Tyreek is being undervalued right now in these formats because it kind of had those
00:32:12
Speaker
comments in the all season of how I'm gonna play on my current contract in Miami and then I'm gonna retire. Because you've still got three years left on that TV. Yeah, three years. So, yeah, three years is a lifetime. And, you know, I mean, again, it's, it all comes down to preference when you're kind of like, you know, we're talking about wide receivers that are drafted within two or three spots of each other and are ranked within a slot or two of each other.
00:32:40
Speaker
you know maybe the Schluter side here gets the nod because you get a rookie pick thrown in there with the receiver but you know this year alone who would I bet my life on to produce more it's got to be Terry yeah yeah I like Olave so I kind of like Schluter side of the trade better because he does get that rookie pick I don't think
00:33:07
Speaker
It's like such a huge step up long-term between Hill and Olave, but you know, I don't know if you can really say it's an unfair trade or anything like that. I think it's just another move for Krope and kind of loading up his team to try to win this year.
00:33:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I do. The Tyreek side is you're making the move to win now. The side is longer term. I do think this year there's going to be a significant gap between Tyreek and Olave's points per game. That's not going to be close, but obviously, Olave has much more long-term value and can eventually put up top five wide receiver numbers potentially.
00:33:50
Speaker
Crobes team is currently trying, especially the Kelsey move to win this year. And this was a great move to do that. But for the Schluter as well got awesome, awesome. So again, I think this was a win-win for both teams.
00:34:02
Speaker
Moving to the next trade, we're getting a little bit late in the draft. We hit our stride in the draft. We moved through some rounds before making too many more trades. But Joey and Chris Kanellis made a trade. So Joey was trying to move up. He moved up from the 512 to 506. And with that, he traded a 603 as a swap for the 706. So he effectively traded Brandon Ayuk and Jehan Dotson to move up and grab Miles Sanders and subsequently grab Russell Wilson.
00:34:30
Speaker
I love Sanders. I was looking at him too. So I thought that was a savvy move by Joe. I do think he's a good value and a little underrated. And, but I also do love Ayuk. There's like the middle rounds here, five, six, this is where like, there's a lot of good value. This is all a lot of personal preference. I think this is fair value all around. I don't think there's a real winner is more team construction, but what I want to hear what you guys think. Yeah, same. I think it was a pretty fair trade. I don't think, you know,
00:34:57
Speaker
Person made out anything crazy. I'm just not a huge Russell Wilson fan I had him last year destroyed me and I like wrote him off But look if he rebounds a little bit then he's a great value there. So I think it was pretty fair trade Yeah, so for me this was all about all about locking in miles Sanders I had at the time I
00:35:21
Speaker
First of all, I was like probably five or six drinks deep at dinner with Paul So there's that a lot of new nurse, yeah Yeah, it was really all about getting my own Sanders I was waiting on running back and Obviously knowing that I have the rookie 101 and be John in the back pocket was a big advantage But in this particular spot
00:35:50
Speaker
knowing that there were a couple of guys before me who probably would have been looking at running back and rather than looking at Sanders. I just love the situation that he's in in Carolina this year with an absurdly good offensive line and quite literally like no running back deck behind him, a deck chart behind him is like, you know, Chuba Hubbard and Raheem Blackshear.
00:36:20
Speaker
So I think that if he stays healthy, it could be an absolutely phenomenal season for Myles Sanders. Last thing I'll say, Canelo's made two very, very strong picks here. I was looking at thoughts and thoughts. It might have honestly been my roster if I didn't make this trade. Probably would have been who I would have taken with the 512. So if you're taking a step back and before, obviously with
00:36:50
Speaker
with the Myles Sanders scorched earth season still yet to come. Looking at this one in a vacuum, I think the IU dots inside is probably the stronger side, just objectively. But that's because you can also make some good picks, and we'll have to see what Russell Wilson can do this year, but my money is on Myles Sanders.
00:37:15
Speaker
I mean, I like it all around. I think you got your guy that you needed for roster construction. I love the guys Kanell's guy. That'll be a theme. He took all the wide receivers I wanted. Very annoying, but he had a very good draft.
Unique Trade Strategies
00:37:29
Speaker
Moving forward, this one was just like weird, this trade. More so, we got to look at like when this trade happened. So Matt Resinski made a trade with the Clark brothers.
00:37:41
Speaker
to move up from the 7.08 to the 7.04. So moving up four picks. But at the time, we were at like pick 6.10. We were like not near the 7.04 yet. So it was a very weird pick to move up there. They move up four spots in seventh. And to do so, they gave it the rookie 1.10, which is not like a cheap price to move up four picks in the seventh round when you don't even know who's gonna be on the board at that point. They ultimately ended up trading James Cook and the rookie 1.10 for Christian Kirk,
00:38:10
Speaker
I'm still interested to know if that's like who they were targeting. It was just a very bizarre trade at the time for me. I don't know what your guys know us, but I was just very confused when I saw this one go down.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It seems weird. Like who's to say Kirk's not there at seven Oh eight. Like you just, you have no idea at that point what's going to go on. I think it was a great move by the clerks to get the rookie one 10. I think that that's too steep of a price just to move up four spots, especially like you said, when you don't even know who's going to be there. I don't love the James cook pick. So that makes it to me a little more,
00:38:44
Speaker
uh... understandable from the resinsky side of things but you know i would take the court side all day there uh... the way it turned out uh... i actually do you like russian her uh... sketch of a lot of stuff
00:39:14
Speaker
I mean, partially, but now I mean, I guess the way that it turned out, it's not a bad move despite being a little bit of a head scratcher at the moment. Like you said, it'd be curious to know if Kirk was who they were eyeing if it was somebody different. We'll see what happens with James Cook. I mean, obviously there's a couple of guys in that factory right now.
00:39:44
Speaker
Who knows what that one can turn into. So at least Brzezinski's getting the most established asset of those transferring levels. Yeah, just bizarre timing to me. I just didn't understand the strategy behind it. But definitely again, I could see it working out. I just thought it was a weird booth.
00:40:07
Speaker
Then moving forward, we had yet another trade with ours truly, Joey Gallo here. This was, again, to move up it and get a player who definitely was at the end of, I guess you could call it a tear gap of just starting quarterbacks. But Joey moved up from the 9-12, two spots to the 9-10. Basically just leapfrogging me. But he gave up the 9-12, the 10-01 and 12-01.
00:40:34
Speaker
with Harry and Picasso to get the 9.10, the 2.03, and the 12.03. So he effectively gave up Greg Dolchitz.
00:40:40
Speaker
Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas to get Matthew Stafford, Mike Evans, and Jacoby Meyers. Honestly, across here, I think it's pretty even value. I don't think there's like a, in my opinion, a true winner. Although four wide receivers, they're all kind of mismatching of like the same tier. They, obviously Jacoby Meyers is the one who's never reached Hyatt and level where the other ones have, the other wide receivers are older and have some question marks with injuries and or a quarterback play.
00:41:10
Speaker
Harrison at the cost and they got a tight end in this format, which is nice. Joey ended up getting a quarterback because you definitely needed a third option with Kyler, maybe not playing to start the year. We don't know that, but it definitely makes sense. I don't know. I don't think there's a true winner here. Just, it's what you needed for your team. Yeah. Not much, not much sticks out to me on that one. I think pretty fair trade. They both moved around a few spots just to get the position that they wanted, but I'll let you discuss it, Joe.
00:41:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple. Dave at the 9-11 with, I think, the kind of shit options on, well, I mean, with the uncertainty of Trey Lance's starting, like starting positioning at that point in time, I thought that Dave might be looking at quarterback there and obviously given Tyler's situation at the beginning of the season, I wanted to make sure that I had a
00:42:06
Speaker
startable producing quarterback, third string quarterback on the roster. And I would have, I had Keenan Allen in my queue at the time. So I ended up with Mike Evans as opposed to Keenan Allen. So in order to move up, I basically sacrificed having Allen on the roster who I didn't want. And I don't even think Dave was looking at quarterback there anyway. So we'll see if that one ends up coming back to the haunt.
00:42:35
Speaker
What's the verdict, Dave? Would you have taken Stafford? No, I would not have, because there was a quarterback I was eyeing, but I knew he wasn't going to go yet. But I knew he was going to go soon. So the next trade is what happened for me to get my guy. I was eyeing Sam Howell for quite some time. And in the 11th round, I was getting very antsy. And I actually sent out a ton of offers trying to move up here and finally got one to accept.
00:43:01
Speaker
I moved up from the 111 to the 107 with Schluter because I also know he's just trade happy. So I traded the 111, the 1202 and the 1402 to move up four spots to the 1107 and traded back to the 1206 and the 1406. So I effectively gave up Azea likely
00:43:19
Speaker
Darnell Mooney and DJ Sharp to get Sam Howell, who I love, the starting quarterback for the Washington Commanders, for those who don't know, at a UNC. He's great. And I also was able to nab Rashad Penny and Odell Beckham with the picks I got back. I mean, I love this trade. I thought it was insane value, probably the best trade in the draft, but want to know your guys thoughts.
00:43:43
Speaker
I do like Cowell and I think Schluter's pick of likely is just another Ravens pick. I don't love that pick. So like if you're comparing players to players, I definitely like your side better. But yeah, I mean, I think it all just comes down to whether he ends up being a usable QB over the next couple of years, which is definitely possible. And if he does, then it's a great trade for you.
End-of-Draft Trade Reflections
00:44:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean... Joe hates my quarterbacks. I think that I like Rashad Penny the most out of anybody who's moving in this entire deal. No, I mean, joking aside, Sam Howell does look like he's going to be the starter for Washington, and he does seem to be somebody who's going to run the ball, which is depressing, but it does actually seem to be in the cards for him. We'll see.
00:44:41
Speaker
And how long he actually ends up holding this starting job, but they're certainly upside there and Like I said, I like the situation the shop pens in so overall a pretty you know fair balanced trade I mean
00:45:07
Speaker
Will say about Isaiah likely I have him on one of my dynasty other times I knew he wasn't gonna let that go He's an athlete and You know, I wouldn't totally totally rule him out as having a yeah being a decent asset down the rules I Do like likely as well. Obviously he's blocked by Andrews, but he does get in Andrews gets her sometimes and he does have upside so
00:45:36
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think it's a bad pick. And again, at this point, these names, he's just who ended up being drafted, but there's like, it's an ADP at this point is all over the place. So Penny was, ended up being a good value for me. Also, what's said how he's got so many weapons too. Everyone loves the Washington wide receivers. How is he not going to be good? I mean, I do, I do have his top wide receiver, so I'm hoping he's good.
00:45:59
Speaker
Yeah. Again, Schluter couldn't stop. This was a tiny trade. This is more just the grabs during guys. So I don't have to spend too much time on it, but Schluter moved up from the 14.02 and the 13.07 to 12.12 and the 14.12 with the Wilkinson Bros. He basically moved up to get Sumaji P. Ryan and he got the pick who turned into Khalil Shakir who he didn't end up keeping.
00:46:23
Speaker
But he traded away DJ Shark and John Metcie. All these guys are kind of like upside shots. I do think Smajic Pieron has some early season value. I'm personally the belief that Javante is going to be back sooner than others. I did draft Javante, but I also think if Javante was really that injured, they would have used draft capital to run it back and to assign someone better than a 28-year-old career backup as the only other starting
00:46:47
Speaker
Run it back, so to me, the team definitely thinks Gervonta will compete this year, but I think Smazza, Pierre, Brian will have some short-term value, and I think it was a decent move in the 12th round. Yeah, I agree. Not much more to add other than I had P. Ryan in my queue at the time, and thought it was a good move to move up and get him, because I do think he's going to have value, especially in the early season. He's a good running back. He's certainly not bad.
00:47:15
Speaker
Not bad in the league for as long as he has and actually produced. He's like a Latavious Mervin. He's a backup who's good when he gets thrust in, but you don't want him to be your starter. He produced on Washington. He produced in Cincinnati. He'll produce. It's almost like he's been around for a decade. Is that good for running backs? I don't know. Certainly not bad.
00:47:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to say either. We just figured we could move up one of our later picks to get someone a little better. We weren't looking at anyone too hard there and Schluter wanted to trade up, so we did it. Yep. So again, the next two picks, I feel like we should probably combine. It's the same two owners. They were kind of the first of the picks put the clock on for Scott, and then he used that pick based on the subsequent trade.
00:48:08
Speaker
So Scott and Matt made H8. They initially traded the 13.08 and the 14.05, the Raczynski's did to Scott for the 13.05 and 14.8. Again, this is just like late round picks positioning just to try and get guys. But what ultimately happened was Scott also then traded with the Raczynski's. He ended up trading away Austin Eckler, who he drafted with the 402, to the Raczynski's for Jamal Williams and Ryan Tannehill.
00:48:37
Speaker
Uh, Scott had not dropped the quarterback until I think like the ninth round or something. And he was unfortunate to be at the very end of a long QB run in that round. And I don't think he had like a pick in the round before. So kind of got stuck in a bad position and the quarterback was able to get at that point was, uh, Jimmy G as his QB one. So he did have a second quarterback, super fleshly.
00:48:58
Speaker
And he ended up trading away Austin Eckler for Ryan Tannehill who is still currently the starting quarterback for the Titans and Jamal Williams I'll go last but I'll let everyone else out first talk about this and get your opinions on the move also I should say he subsequently drafted Malik Willis and After he made this trade as somewhat of a backup to the Titans, but let's hear what you guys think
00:49:26
Speaker
go first. I mean, obviously I think that it was a little bit of a tilt move. Scott had actually reached out to me, you know, talking quarterback at the time too. So yeah, look, there's definitely times where you can kind of see that, you know, you are, you know, weak at a particular position and cause you to go on tilt a little bit. That being said,
00:49:56
Speaker
If the trade had been for a quarterback with just a hair more long-term value than Ryan Tannehill, then I would like it a lot more. I think that's really the only thing, that's really the only hold-up for me. Tomoe Williams, I think, is going to have some near-term value in New Orleans. They did draft a running back, and obviously Kamara's still there, but he'll hold value, and Tannehill's gonna be the starter.
00:50:25
Speaker
at least for the near term. So we'll see what the rest of Austin Echler's career looks like. And for this year, obviously, I would skew that one a little bit more towards Wazimsky's. But the tilt sometimes is real.
00:50:46
Speaker
Yeah, I mean obviously anything can happen and we'll see what happens with Echler, but I just don't understand it at all from Scott's perspective. I think it was a bit of a panic move. I think he realized all of a sudden he was short a quarterback in a SuperFlex league and he went out to get one. I just think he could have let the draft finish, looked at his team and started to shop for a QB then. We haven't even had the rookie draft yet, so who's to say he couldn't have got in a quarterback in the rookie draft.
00:51:15
Speaker
I think he could have returned a lot more value than trading for Tannehill mid-draft. So I didn't really get it. I would take Echler there for sure. But what do you think, Dave? Yeah, I mean, it just wasn't the right move, in my opinion. And not to say like, and I want to say it very well can work out. Echler is an older running back, running back to shorter shelf lives.
00:51:45
Speaker
There was obviously contract disputes. Sorry, I got a little dramatic there. He had a contract issue with the charges at the time. It has been kind of worked out, but it is definitely a one-turn deal. He's going to be gone next year.
00:52:00
Speaker
So like I can understand in dynasty, he's not as valuable, not a top 10, but for the current year, he is a game changer for this upcoming season for sure. As long as he stays healthy, one of the, he's probably a top five option and redraft this year. And to get back only Jamal Williams, who like obviously is a solid back and kind of hell. Who's like.
00:52:19
Speaker
probably in the bottom six, seven of the quarterbacks in this format. I just feel like you could have done better, but to your point, Ryan, we were midway through the startup, Jeff. You didn't need to solve it right now. It was May at that point as well. We had three more months before not having a backup quarterback was actually going to be
00:52:38
Speaker
hurting you in some way or format. I also like Scott Scott, I love his team across the board. Like, yeah, he doesn't have the quarterback, but he's stacked everywhere else. He has like so many assets that he could use to get a quarterback. And maybe not like a top 10, but somewhere in the range of like 12 to like 20, I think he could have got or at least get like a first round 20, 24 first round pick with that back. Like if I was training, I'd be looking to get like a higher end asset than that, then rather
00:53:06
Speaker
two other old aging assets. Now to be said, to be said one more time, he could absolutely end up on the right side of the straight and it would not shock me at all. Like Eckler can get hurt, Tannehill could start for two more years, Tannehill could have shown that had pretty good value before Jamal Lynch could score another one who was like 16 touchdowns again. Like he could go off and it could definitely work. And if it works,
00:53:27
Speaker
Scott we're gonna give you a full minute to come on here and lean in to the whole league that you want right there And I'm I hope it works out for you But for me it was just not the best way to maximize the value of the asset that Echler was at the time But in fantasy is very weird thing. We've been weird wrong on many trades before and we could be wrong here too, but I
00:53:47
Speaker
My opinion was, stop trading with Matt. Oh my god, why does he always get such a good value in every year in one year? Just stop doing it, people. But anyway, we had two more small trades to quickly talk through. One, it was just Joe and Schluter, again, positioning. Joe traded the 212 to upgrade, basically, Sam Darnell to kill Bill Shakir. I think that's a decent enough side shot. He could be the slot wide receiver for the Bills.
00:54:16
Speaker
So I thought it was a solid upgrade, but I don't know if you guys have any other thoughts on that. No, just I think everyone's just moving up for who they want here. I don't think it's anything crazy. And then the last one.
00:54:29
Speaker
I had to get in one more thing and I had to get make sure that we got 11 out of 12 teams instead of 10 out of 12. So I was able to rope in Adam and cats into a trade. I traded the 1711 1802 to move up to two spots in the 1709 and 1804. Basically I was grabbing Hunter Renfro because I really, I thought he was the last like usable live receiver at that point.
00:54:50
Speaker
traded basically Bailey Zappi and Justin Ross, who are good upside options. And I also got Garderman too, tech went back in that too, which I'm positioning for the rookie draft with that pick. But those are the trades, 18 trades in all. So good work, League, I'm proud of all of you. But with that, we're gonna move to the next round.
00:55:12
Speaker
All right, using the soundboard, it's great. Then we're gonna go through the draft high
Rounds 1-3 Overview
00:55:19
Speaker
level. We broke it down into a couple rounds. Just a quick overview of how the rounds went and give some of our best and worst picks of those sections. So the first session we're gonna break down is rounds one through three. This is obviously where the more elite out talents are. We've alluded to it many times. The first eight picks were quarterback to this age. So you definitely saw the urgency and the super flex elite.
00:55:41
Speaker
After that, we saw a bunch of wide receivers, and there were 15 wide receivers in total in the first three rounds. There were a few running backs, about six of them, and then three more quarterbacks came off, and then the three elite tight ends also went off the board. So this is where you get some of the elite of the assets in the dynasty. But with that, I guess I'll start over to you, Ryan. What was your best and worst pick of these rounds here?
00:56:06
Speaker
Yeah, so he kind of touched on it. I don't know if I really consider it a pick because he fell into his lap, but I think you gotta go with Justin Jefferson at nine in terms of the best value. I was really shocked he fell that far. Sean and I were really debating taking him when we had the 107 before we made the trade. We probably would have ended up taking him. So I was shocked he fell that far. I thought that was obviously a great pick. I did also like CD lamb at 14. I thought,
00:56:35
Speaker
You know, he was the fifth wide receiver off the board in our draft, but I viewed him as kind of the number three after Jefferson and Chase, so I thought that was a pretty good pick. In terms of worst, I'm not a fan of Pitts, so I was a little shocked to see him taken in the middle of the third. He's been super hyped for two years, only has three total touchdowns, just had a major injury. I don't think he ever become that top-top tight end that everyone thinks, so I don't love that pick.
00:57:04
Speaker
but there's definitely some high reward there if it does work out. Oh. Yeah, and Ron, I want to thank you for that. Who made that CD pick? That was our very own Dave Reed. Yes. That part led in my Lawrence pick, which saying probably leads into, hey, Joe, what were your best and worst picks? Yeah, so most value I'm going to say is definitely Mark Andrews, who
00:57:32
Speaker
I mean, look, I'm a big Kelsey guy as we talked about, but if we're talking about who the longest term asset at the tight end position is right now, let's say five, six, seven years down the line, the guy with the most chance of being the number one is Mark Andrews.
00:57:56
Speaker
getting the third tight end off the board towards the back of the third round I think is pretty good value there. Worst pick, I want to say worst pick was Trevor Lawrence because I understand why the pick was made. I do think that in that position I would have personally opted to go with Justin Jefferson.
00:58:28
Speaker
maybe another... No, those are the two that make the most money. I will say too, you know, one other... I do like the Garrett Wilson shot by Team Parody and Dan. I know we were talking about that one on the side. And I think that was a risky but, you know, high upside pick there for them as well.
00:58:54
Speaker
I was actually hoping Wilson fell to me at my pick, so it was sad to see that go. And honestly, I'm all in jest with the Trevor Lawrence bit going on. But I also do one of the better picks. I agree. JJ was one of the better picks. I agree. JJ should have gone off before Trevor Lawrence. And I said that many times. He should have. It was for me purely looking at what I thought what I would get between the two picks. But from a value standpoint, JJ should have gone like four picks earlier.
00:59:22
Speaker
So I thought that, and that was Adam and Cass, we got that. So I want to give him credit there. Another pick I thought was great value. I just, JT fall in the two 10, I thought is just like by the resist you bros was a really good value there. And he just like felt in my opinion, a little bit too far. And I think he's still a high end asset. As far as worst pick, again, like a lot of these players are again, I'm the lead athletes. I thought just Kenneth Walker going off at three or four by the Clark brothers.
00:59:50
Speaker
After the Seahawks just drafted Charbonnet, it makes it seem like he's not going to be a workhorse or in the lead back, or at least one that should, in my opinion, be drafted in the first three rounds. I don't think he's a bad player there. I just don't think, I think he was being viewed again as like a top 10 running back. Again, he was one of six drafts in the first three rounds. I don't think he's a top six running back next year or potentially have it going forward.
01:00:15
Speaker
I think they're going to split that workload up a bit. So to me, that was probably one of the worst picks or least valuable picks in the first three rounds. At the risk of seeming, well, at the risk of reiterating some stuff that I've heard on other podcasts that I've listened to over the last couple of weeks, but it's worth repeating because it actually resonates a little bit with me.
01:00:39
Speaker
I think we're as a community probably a little too low on Kenneth Walker post Charbonnet pick. I think if you kind of look back retrospectively about how Seattle took Rashad Penny the year after Chris Carson kind of had his breakout and everybody in the fantasy community loved Rashad Penny and kind of were downgrading Chris Carson and then
01:01:04
Speaker
Carson went out there and was a viable asset for Seattle for the next like three or four seasons after that. I just think that there's a, there's a non-zero chance that Charbonnet just doesn't work out. And Kenneth Walker has another three to five in seeing seasons. So I just, it's in the range of outcomes. I agree with you, but the thing that I think people, cause I've heard that argument, what I think is severely overlooked.
01:01:31
Speaker
What has Penny done his entire career? He has it like, that's just the use case because it was Rashad Penny. Like, Charbonnet was viewed hot and came from a bigger school. Penny came from a smaller school. Obviously had a lot of injury history. I think that's more of the use case is that Penny just couldn't take the job away. I don't think it was that they're like, oh, we're just gonna lean in. I just don't think Penny could earn it but Charbonnet, a lot of people view them potentially as the RB2 going in this draft class and he got a lot of draft capital.
01:02:00
Speaker
I don't think those are comparable circumstances, but agree with you. I think people swing too far the other way. I don't think Walker is a bad pick. He showed that he could be very valuable. I just don't view him as a top six running back, basically. And if you look at the options who came after him, you probably could make the case for guys like someone like ETN or, you know, even Jacobs being drafted before him given the circumstances. But at the same time,
01:02:29
Speaker
I don't hate it. And I might've been willing to take Kenneth Walker before even Saquon Barkley there, which I know is gonna sound outrageous. But if you look at, if you consider their even situation, I am not 100% sure who I'd rather have. Yeah, Barkley's contract situation as a giant fan does not make me happy. Yeah, but moving to picks, rounds four to six.
Rounds 4-6 Analysis
01:02:51
Speaker
So this is where the running backs really started to pop off the board. We had about 14 come off of the board in these next three rounds.
01:02:58
Speaker
A few teams started grabbing their second quarterback, so people were really, were still keen in on the super flex aspect. And then more teams started looking at the, or getting a, one of the more reliable tight ends after the elite options fell off the board, knowing that it was a tight end premium league. And then there was a run on wide receivers to close out the sixth round. I think there were six in a row there. But yeah, I'll start with you. What do you think was your favorite and our best and worst pick in this round? Yeah, I mean, best pick, I think,
01:03:28
Speaker
everything that Canelo's did in this round, I thought was, was strong. I liked the Pollard pick. I liked the Burke's pick mentioned earlier that, uh, I thought he did well with the picks that he acquired from me in the, in the trade up for Sanders, obviously gots and I'm big on. So overall, I think Canelo's had the strongest around here, like that I even got, um, you know, worst pick, obviously hindsight being 2020, I think there's been some,
01:03:54
Speaker
some verbiage out there from Kyle Shanahan, which is kind of leaning towards Brock Purdy being the Niner starter going forward. So in a vacuum, you probably, if it's me and I'm in that spot there for you, if I could swap Purdy for Lance and I do it, knowing what we know now, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a bad pick at the time. It's just, this is the nature of, you know, fantasy football where we get information
01:04:24
Speaker
It was a risk pick so I donate that.
01:04:33
Speaker
So for my best pick, I had Ridley at 6'10". I actually really liked him. I was really hoping he fell to us, and then Krope grabbed him two picks before us. So, got to give a shout out to Krope there. I think he... Who's his quarterback? He's got Trevor Lawrence as his quarterback. Not a lot there. So, yeah. It's funny. Everyone loves my quarterback's receivers, but they don't like the quarterback.
01:04:58
Speaker
definitely be a stud. So I liked him. I also like Daniel Jones at the 404 from Adam Katz. I thought that was a really good pick. I think he's...
01:05:08
Speaker
you know, a little undervalued. He almost could be a tier up. And they just gave him a huge contract. So they're obviously hoping for him to be that guy. So I like that pick there too. Worst pick actually, I'm going to stick with crope. I don't love at 503. He had the top brushing on the Eagles. We traded him away. Jalen hurts.
01:05:32
Speaker
So, you know, is this guy there? I don't know. Seems like it may even be a bit of a timeshare, so I don't love that pick. Yeah. And then for me, I mean, my best pick, I'm going to get props. I love the Dallas Good Air pick at 61. I was actually severely thinking if he came to me, I might actually double down on tight ends because I think he's in a high powered offense. When he is on the field, he is very, very good.
01:06:00
Speaker
getting targets and getting touchdowns. So I would have been happy starting him in a flex in this format. So I thought that was a great pick by Joe, especially when there aren't that many strong tight end options to get him at that point. As far as worst picks go, I didn't like the Pacheco pick by Krope, not to pick on Krope in these rounds because I think Krope actually has a very strong team. And I think Pacheco actually will be very good.
01:06:24
Speaker
at that point of the draft seemed early to take a check out with the other options on the board. He's not a pass sketching runner back. He's pretty much just a rusher two down back. Obviously part of a high powered offense, but just seemed like a little bit of reach, not horrible, but just not who I would have gone to at that point. Also, this is personal preference Deebo at 409 by the Clarks. I'm not a Deebo
01:06:47
Speaker
uh, believer long-term, um, obviously he's had super high. I think he only had like one super high end, uh, season, but everyone remembers that. Um, he just, there's a lot of options in that offense. He doesn't see when it brought pretty really is the quarterback. He didn't seem like the main go-to option there. And with McCaffrey there kind of is a duplicative role. So I don't really view him as like a top end wide receiver anymore. I think he's like a better two. And I think I, I you actually is more upside to him long-term. Um, so I wasn't a huge fan of that, thinking that point either.
01:07:19
Speaker
Moving to the next, we have a block of four, excuse me, another area, four rounds here between seven and 10.
Rounds 7-10 Insights
01:07:27
Speaker
So at this round, we started seeing most teams starting to focus on either grabbing whatever value they could get or trying to fill a glaring hole that they see in their roster. So almost all the remaining starting quarterbacks came off the board at this point, because everyone knew that they had to get a second quarterback. And you started to see a mini run and tight ends.
01:07:47
Speaker
start going as teams realize this is tied in premium format and there aren't that many viable options. And teams also started grabbing running backs that have secure playing time as that becomes harder to find later in the draft. So, Brian, with that being said, what were some of your favorite and least favorite picks these rounds?
01:08:05
Speaker
Yeah, so this one's pretty easy for me. I actually really like Marquis Brown at 7.10. I think he's a little underrated and definitely worth the late seventh round pick. I think there's a lot of upside there. DeAndre Hopkins could be on the move soon and even if not, he's 30. I actually looked it up in weeks one to six without Hopkins last year. Brown was the wide receiver seven in fantasy.
01:08:30
Speaker
We almost took them actually our pick before that so I kind of regret it. I think that was a really good pick and then in terms of the worst pick
01:08:40
Speaker
I'm not necessarily saying it was a bad pick, but based on the full picture, Dawson Knox at 10 11, they had just taken Waller the pick before that, I believe. So I'm not sure why they grabbed Knox right after grabbing Waller, which I thought was a great pick. Um, I don't get why you take another tight end there. I think that's maybe a little bit of the Bill's love from like at first. So, uh, I guess if you gotta get your guy, you gotta get them, but I don't think they needed them there.
01:09:13
Speaker
Joe, what about you? Yeah, so I also like the Hollywood pick. Um, I like, like I mentioned earlier, I liked the Keenan Allen pick by Harry, uh, with the asset that he picked up for me and Alexander Madison by Schluter was a good pick there in the middle who very well may end up being starting running back, uh, by the start of the season if Dallin Cook is chipped along. So some, some good, some good choices there.
01:09:41
Speaker
picks that I, and, and Colcomat, I honestly, I think Colcomat's actually a little bit undervalued. That was Propedo, I think. I think that YoungDude, great pass catcher, and, which was, I, and I don't love the Bears wide receivers, I know they picked up DJ Moore, they have Darnell Moon, but, and, you know, like, Chase Cleeple, but they're, they're not knocking anybody's socks off their wide receivers there, so, I think there's, there's plenty of target shows shared to go around with Matt.
01:10:10
Speaker
picks that I didn't necessarily love. Tyler Algier was a wolf, personally. I mean, I had him last year and the experience wasn't great and obviously bringing in B-Job is certainly not ideal. I think that I probably would rather have, if you look at the next probably
01:10:38
Speaker
five or six running backs off the board. Beyonce Foreman, Damian Harris, Jamal Williams, Smudgy P. Ryan, Kenneth Gainwell, Roger Mitchell, Rashad Penny. I think I'd rather have all of those guys than out here, so that one wasn't my favorite. And also, while I gotta probably be fair here, probably take a little bit on myself, in retrospect, I'm not crazy about the rust pick.
01:11:07
Speaker
Again, if I could go back and do that again, I probably would look to someone like Purdy or Carr. Not to say that I don't think that Wilson has a chance to bring it back this year, but I don't love it. That's right, Jeff. That's right. You know, I gotta be fair and that wasn't great.
01:11:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think we have a lot of agreement on our best and worst picks in this round. I mean, I, again, everything you guys said, especially like I took note, I thought the Madison pick was great. I also, when I saw the LG pick, I thought that was, that one was one where I remember, I was like, yeah, it's not a good pick.
01:11:54
Speaker
at that point. But then some other picks I liked, I really liked Deontay by Kanellis at 9.06. I had tried, I think for like four picks in a row to try and grab. I actually almost grabbed Deontay in the eighth round. And the fact that he was still on the board almost fell back to me and I knew he wasn't going to get there. And then Kanellis again, who scooped up every young wide receiver, just got him again. I thought that was just great value. But my favorite pick, I thought Darren Baller at 9.02 was awesome value because
01:12:25
Speaker
It's very possible he's the wide receiver one for the Giants. And as we mentioned, this is tied in premium league. If he stays healthy, he could easily have over 100, like 120 targets this year. He'll be a monster. I mean, the rest of the wide receiving core, obviously they just added a couple total rookies, but everyone else is like 5'8". Like, Wallace is going to be a monster on that field, so I thought that was a great pick there.
01:12:50
Speaker
But my worst pick, same team, the pick that they made before. So that was by Kaffir and Mike Bluntz. I also did not like the Khmer pick at 811. It's still up in the air, but it's like the main assumption is he's gonna get suspended this year. And he had a major drop off from production last year. He's only getting older. They signed Jamal Williams and they drafted a rookie. Like the writing's on the wall that Khmer's career is in the twilight right now.
01:13:18
Speaker
To me, that was a little bit early. That's not who I would have been targeting there. Again, he has shown the ability to have big weeks. I just don't think those are going to be as frequent as you think, and you're going to have to find another starter for at least maybe four, maybe six weeks next year. Didn't love that pick. Moving on down to rounds 11 to 15.
Rounds 11-15 Evaluation
01:13:42
Speaker
Uh, just so we're getting later in the job, but there's still some value to be had in these rounds. There's a lot of, this is where people are targeting a lot of the wide receiver twos and threes on the NFL teams and some backup running backs. You could potentially find some, uh, playing time. Um, so there's definitely value that you can find here. And this is the rounds where if you hit, like that'll make a big change in, uh, and where you'll end up at the end of the season. So, uh, Joe, why don't you tell me who you thought some of the best and worst picks of this round were. Yeah. So, uh, best, my personal favorite, I think
01:14:12
Speaker
a ton of value with Jarek McKinnon. I was just listing off in the last section that kind of string of facts. Jamal Williams, Magic B. Ryan, Elijah Mitchell, Devin Cickletary, Rashad Penny, all of these guys going before Jarek McKinnon, who was extremely productive. I mean, how many touchdowns did Jarek McKinnon score between- Stupid. Like 13 through the end of the- I think he was running back like seven or something like this. It was stupid the last six beats.
01:14:42
Speaker
And, you know, like I, they, they, they, they re up, they gave him one, at least one other one more year, maybe two, maybe one more year. But I think it was a one year. Cause he, I think he's like 31 right now. He is older. That's the only thing. I mean, you know, there's, there's a little mini hype train for private hyper jalera right now. I'm going into, I can't, you know, I hurt some. Yeah.
01:15:05
Speaker
Just just a little bit. Oh, he's in great shape. We're like, we're real happy for him. He looks like they've said that every year. Yes. Just the guys who have him on his dynasty league trying to hype him up again. I think picking up someone like McKinnon in the 13th round who could, who could very, very well be a strong contributor this year. Lee's favorite. Honestly, at this point, nothing really sticks out to me. I know we're in the late rounds here. There was nothing that really stuck out as you know, particularly
01:15:35
Speaker
I mean, I guess maybe terrorist marshal because I think the drawings on the wall that guy stinks but other than that I think Yeah, mostly that's it What about you Ryan?
01:15:47
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't really have too much on the best pick side. I think at this point, you know, you're kind of taking who you hope has some upside. I liked Ritter as a pick. Just, you know, if he pans out, he could be a star long term. But I don't know how you could possibly say any other pick as the worst pick than Malik Willis. I just also thought it was hysterical because Canelo's noted in the group chat that he might not make the roster.
01:16:15
Speaker
And then Scott took him right after trading for Tannehill. So I did not love that pick and was pretty shocked to see him come off the board there. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we talked about that. I didn't love the pick either. But for me, some of the best picks
01:16:37
Speaker
I'll give some love to the Clark brothers. I actually thought the Eliza Mitchell pick at 1209 is a good pick. You see, even though CMC is the man there, when Eliza Mitchell's not hurt, they're going to give him touches. And he is pretty explosive and can make some big chunk plays. So I thought at this point in the draft, that's a running back that you could definitely flex and we'll get some pretty good value from. I also know Alex Pierce.
01:17:01
Speaker
by Canales at 13.06 is a pretty good upside play. He's good on the long routes and half quarterback can throw bombs, accurate bombs, we'll see, but definitely has some upside there. Again, was another wide receiver. I was targeting that Canales right underneath me. As far as worst picks go, I did not like Patterson by Cropa at 15.03. If we don't like Algier,
01:17:29
Speaker
I don't think we can like Patterson, uh, Algier got way more work than, uh, Patterson last year. I think Patterson is like what? 33 now. And the guy's just, and he's converted wide. He had the ceremony before the beginning of the season where they put like a shed out at midfield and they dragged Patterson back behind it. And then just put him that, just put him it out. Like he is, he's done. So like, I didn't love that pick.
01:17:52
Speaker
I know he's had a big season here and there, but I don't see him getting more than like three touches a game really going forward. So his, and he's going to have to retire soon. So yeah, moving on. We got, we're getting in the late rounds now.
Late Rounds and Strategic Risks
01:18:07
Speaker
So 16 to 20, you're definitely, these are where people are just doing backup quarterback step, tight ends, dark throws, a wide receiver running back. Anyone who's like, if someone gets hurt in front of this guy, maybe he'll have some value. But Joe, who do you think you have as something of the best and worst picks here?
01:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, best I like the shot and I'm quite a virtual layer. And maybe that's maybe that's recent advice because there's some positive news out there about how it looks going into camp. But yeah, it was worth a shot. And worst, I mean, Zach Wilson, come on. You guys stinks. So. Yeah, preview ahead. That was my worst pick. That was just a joke pick. You know, Dan just jumped on the phone and took him. Yeah. Ryan, what about you?
01:18:52
Speaker
I didn't have much. I like DuVernay has been hurt in the past so around 20 there's some potential upside there but you know worst pick I don't really have anything all kind of dark throws now.
01:19:05
Speaker
Yeah, for me, my best pick, I mean, I like Michael Carter with Joey at the 1601. I thought that was a great value. He could, early on, Breeze is definitely going to be wearing his way back. I know they drafted, uh, avocado or whatever, uh, as a rookie, but I think Carter is still going to get work too. So I think that was a pretty good value. I know Joey looked at him like a round or two earlier and still was able to get him. So that was good value. I loved Hahnike at 1812 though, by the Wilkinsons. Um,
01:19:30
Speaker
I think it's very realistic like Heineke has a way to get the starting like in the starting roster and when he's in he he puts up points and the last year Mariota was playing ahead of Ritter granted he was a rookie but when Ritter was in I think he had some like abomination games
01:19:47
Speaker
And like the passing offense was abysmal. Heineken is mobile and he is willing to throw it downfield and he supported McLaurin. He's done it with Samuel, a little bit of Datsun. He can put up some plays. And I actually think the offense would be better with Heineken if he gets in there. And I think once that happens, I don't think they'll go back to Ritter once Heineken gets a shot. So I think that is a very savvy pick.
01:20:13
Speaker
for someone who could start in the back half of the year by the Wilkerson bros right there. The last six rounds, 21-28. This is just a crapshoot. Pure Hail Marys. You're probably going to cut these guys once you want to promote a rookie. Honestly, there's no bad picks right now. And there's only like, there's honestly not that many good picks either, but there is a couple of diamonds that are rough here. So I know me and Ryan have the same guy. I'll let Ryan take it away and tell me who you thought the best guy is.
01:20:42
Speaker
Yeah, so we both had, I don't even know how to say his name, Schoronic. I don't know how to say it, but I don't know. Yeah, something like that. At this point, you know, he's the wide receiver three, which, you know, if you're getting that this late in the draft, he's got some upside there. I think that's valuable at this point. So, you know, I like that pick. And Joe, what about you?
01:21:07
Speaker
I would say probably Trevion Williams. I was looking at Trevion Williams. Well, I think I looked to see if he was available and then noticed that he had been picked two rounds earlier. So, you know, I think the situation, the running back situation in Cincinnati is pretty good at this point and who really knows what Joe Mates' future looks like. So, you know, Williams is definitely a high upside option that could actually turn into something pretty late in the draft.
Draft Completion and Grades
01:21:37
Speaker
Yeah, well, that was it. 26 rounds, guys, took us again. I think it was a total of 16 days. Great work, Lee. But on to the next one. We'll get better soundboards next time, guys. This is all came with the platform. But yeah, moving on to the next one. These are the draft grades. So we're going to throw out a grade for each team. We each have our own grade there. We're all abstaining from our own. We're not going to self-grade.
01:22:05
Speaker
And we're just going to go whatever the draft order was. So the first team was the Wilkinson brothers. Obviously Ryan is not going to create his team because he would love it. Don't hold back. Joe, let you go first and I'll hop in after. Give me one second. All right. So I actually, I actually would have given my greatest beat.
01:22:35
Speaker
and it would be, oh, sorry. Yeah, my grade is a B and in the notes, I basically wrote, it's hard to grade this team lower than a B given their quarterback situation. So when you're in a super flex and you have your two quarterbacks basically averaging 50 to 60 points for your roster on a weekly basis, that is a huge advantage over the rest of the league. I do also like,
01:23:05
Speaker
Some of the upside guys that you have, Cadarius, Tony, if he stays healthy, which is probably like a 5% probability. But if he does stay healthy, could easily be a top 15 wide receiver. He's looking like he's going to be the number one for that offensive series. If he's out there, he's going to get most targets at the wide receiver position almost definitely, which, again, huge advantage. I'm a big Remondre Stevenson believer.
01:23:33
Speaker
Overall, I think that the depth is potentially an issue. I don't see it too, too much in terms of plug and play guys from a bench standpoint here. So that's my biggest concern. But overall, it's really it's hard to start to create this team too harshly when they have such an advantage at the quarterback position.
01:24:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I somewhat, somewhat, I put it as a B minus. I mean, the QB position, I think, they're set for the better part of a decade. And it's the hardest position to knock down in a dynasty. And they don't have to think about it, and they're going to have an advantage every week. However, the moves that they made to get hurts, they made basic two trades. That did hurt them when it came from a death standpoint. Not to say they didn't get
01:24:28
Speaker
other good players. I also am a big Vermodre fan. I love Vermodre. I was actually crossing my fingers. I can grab them. So I thought that was a great pick. Rashad White is a nice pick. They got Terry, Scary Terry. They got Mike Williams, Tony, and Lazar. Those are all fine wide receivers, but they're not true wide receiver ones for fine dynasty. And they're more likely in the wide receiver three wide receiver two range, but they do have the spike week, so they could have big weeks and win a week there.
01:24:57
Speaker
there's no like true alpha there but they have a lot of guys that are like good enough you can put them to start there as Joe mentioned not a lot of depth of the bench and they also don't have any they traded away both their rookie picks in the first round so they don't have any rookie picks until the last big third round so you're not gonna see
01:25:13
Speaker
a lot of improvement in depth this year, but they did gain a second 2024 first, which can be a big improvement. They can obviously save it there with the quarterbacks that can build in a year or two, but they can also use those to just improve the depth that they don't have right now. And that is a very realistic way to get done. And as you mentioned, having Josh Allen hurts, they're going to compete every week. Like there's not a week that they can't win because those guys are like,
01:25:39
Speaker
Like yeah, we said averaging 50 60 they could put up 80 plus in a given week and that was easily Went a week for them. But with that being said if either one gets hurt It's gonna get very ugly for this team. So like that's the one thing together There's like not a lot of depth there and it's very contingent upon those two quarterbacks Yeah, be honest, but I tons of upside and they've solved the two hardest things to solve for so nothing too critical there. I
01:26:07
Speaker
Moving on down, do you have any concerns you want to, you can't have her ball, I'm sorry, you can't grade yourself. Moving on down to the mics, Caffer and Williams. Ryan, I know you were quiet, so I'm going to let you go first in this next one.
01:26:26
Speaker
Yeah, so I gave him a B plus overall and I picked three teams that I think are going to be the contenders for the title this year in 2023. And this is one of them for me. It's the only team that didn't make a trade. So it goes to show if you stick to your position and draft value each round, you can put together a good team.
01:26:45
Speaker
Obviously they ended up with Mahomes, who's going to be a staple for years to come. You throw in Rogers for a stopgap. Hope Ritter Excels are drafter rookie in the coming years. Running back is the weakest position to me, but they do have some stud running backs in the short term in Barkley.
01:27:04
Speaker
And then I think they're potentially loaded at wide receiver. They have Saint Brown, DJ Moore, Pitman, Godwin. They do all have some risk. But then you round that out with Waller at tight end. Dave, you talked about how good of a pick that could be. I think it was a solid draft start to finish for them. Yeah, so I think I
01:27:29
Speaker
I think I would put these guys at a B plus. I know I was originally leaning towards a B. I've been kind of puddling back and forth between B and B plus. The biggest thing for me from a concerned standpoint is the running back room. Obviously we talked about the concerns with Kamara and I'm not necessarily sure how what the future looks like for for Barkley. You know, when you also kind of consider that there were
01:27:58
Speaker
you know options like Chris Olave, who I've kind of professed my love for numerous times. Available at that point in time, I do feel like this roster could have been very, very strong if you kind of swap Olave in with the Barkley pick and then try and scoop up a little bit of mid-round value at the running back position. That being said, right, these are nitpicks overall. I think this roster is
01:28:26
Speaker
Very very strong like Ryan said the wide receiver room is already with even without a lot of a they're really strong to Quarterbacks that are both going to likely produce quite a bit this year. So, um, you know, I like this roster a lot and that would I'd say b-plus I I would agree they are a contender So, I mean i'm probably the most critical of this team But again, not that I think this was a badge after all I gave them the b getting my homes in super flex. That's a win
01:28:56
Speaker
Plain and simple, like that's huge to get. This team, as we mentioned, didn't make any trades. So they just kind of stayed where they were and they grabbed value and they got a lot of value there. The Mike squared, they got nice piece across the board. And I think they, and I do think they're going to be the top half of the league this year. I truly believe that. I love Amman, Ron St. Brown, Godwin, DJ Moore, and Pittman. They all have wide receiver, one pedigree, but I don't love any of their situations. So you're like hoping these guys are more wide receiver too.
01:29:26
Speaker
Even though long-term they're still young, like I said, you're hoping wide receiver too, but they're very likely these guys could be closer to wide receiver three outputs or low end wide receiver two. So I'm a little bit more down on the wide receiver room for the current year. Kamar, as I mentioned, is like he gets suspended and they don't have a lot of depth behind of it running back. I do like Rogers this year, but I also think he's only got one to two years left. He almost retired. He only came back for the Jets.
01:29:53
Speaker
The Jets wanted a conditional pick to make sure he played a second year, so it's very realistic he doesn't play a second year, and if he does play another year, that's it. He's only playing two more years. I actually liked the value they got in the Giants with Barkley and Waller. I already said Waller was one of my favorite picks. Granted, neither player is a stranger to injury, and Barkley does have that contrast dispute, so future, who knows what goes on.
01:30:17
Speaker
Overall, I didn't think there was any reaches, but I don't think there were also any home runs or major hits here. So I just thought it was a very solid draft. I think they're going to compete. And that's why I'm giving them big. Moving on down to Krup. And I'll kick this one off. So I'm giving Krup a B+. He made a lot of moves early in Austin. And I actually believe the move back from first to field was a worthwhile one that he got. As a matter of fact, it's
01:30:46
Speaker
Not a certainty, but I don't, I think it wouldn't be out of the realm possibilities. The difference between fields and Hertz isn't as big as we're thinking they could be. But again, that's a lot of projection. Kelsey was a big price to pay, but at the end of the day, like that guy is a league winner for the current year.
01:31:02
Speaker
and we'll put up huge numbers. Tyreek, another league winning type of player, he'll win any given week. So you get those two combined, I think is huge. I actually thought Najee, I was really good at the back of the fourth for your RB1, who has an improved offensive line. Darnell Washington is gonna just improve also with the blocking and he should be held like he was good at the back half of last year. He wasn't good to start the year because he had that injury that in the preseason. So I think he'll actually be,
01:31:30
Speaker
potentially top 10 running back again going forward. Cooper and Ridley, and even Swift and Pacheco, even though I don't love Swift and Pacheco, they could be contributors here. I'm not saying that, but I said they weren't great picks or anything. I think we all see the path for them to be good. It's just not like super safe is the only risk, but they can compete. And I do like Cooper and Ridley. And he has some upside wide receivers on his bench as well as like some like good tie down depth.
01:31:57
Speaker
Honestly, the only real risk I see is love is his quarterback too. If he does take the step forward, I think Rope is easily going to be one of the teams to beat. I still think he's one of the contenders regardless. So I thought he had a very strong draft. Joe, what did you think? Yeah, I would agree. I think probably my favorite roster out there right now. I think that he's
01:32:25
Speaker
I graded the roster in a-minus, but I think he's a Jordan Love away from being an A or an A+. I think you just take Jordan Love and punt them to the moon and substitute in a better quarterback there. And I'm not sure what Crope's draft capital is like in the rookie draft. Do you have any early first rounders? No, that's the thing. He gave away his first both this year and next year, so he doesn't have any firsts. Yeah. Well, nonetheless,
01:32:54
Speaker
Obviously, we talked about Justin Fields earlier, and I'm high on Najee Pacheco, long-term, no bueno, but this year, plenty to be excited about. And he's also got Jared McKinnon on the bench, so however that goes, he'll be all right there. If Calvin Ridley hits, obviously, Swift is in an interesting situation competing for carries on the goal line. Jalen hurts, but it's going to be a high-powered offense. They're going to throw to him.
01:33:24
Speaker
I like the team and I think he's got a lot of guys, if you look at his bench too, one of the things I talk about a lot is his bench depth. I like to look at the roster and say like, looking at your bench, how many guys would I feel good about just like randomly throwing in on a given week? And McKinnon, Phelan, Aguilar, Claypool, Elijah Moore, Sky Moore, Colcomet, like these are all guys who you could like generally throw in there.
01:33:47
Speaker
and you cannot say the same about a lot of the other rosters, the bench-ed on the rosters in the league. So overall, I do think this is a good roster. Yeah, and I agree. I gave him a B plus as well. He is my second of three contenders. I think he easily competes this year for a title. The only reason I gave him a B plus rather than an A is because of the draft capital that we talked about. He, in my opinion, kind of gave up
01:34:17
Speaker
his draft capital over the next two years to get this current team. But there's no doubt he's pretty stacked this year. And if the guys we've talked about like Love and Harris and Swift and Pacheco end up working out, he's gonna have a really unbeatable team. So I don't think there's too much more to say. He's got Kelsey, he's contending and I think we all like his roster. Yeah.
01:34:44
Speaker
Moving on down to the Clark. So this one I think has the most split across the True Vow. So we'll start with the bad news first and ascend up to the good news to finish this off. So Rhydog, why don't you start this one off? I gave him a C+. Now Joe Burrow is a stud, but their second QB is Mac Jones. I don't love him.
01:35:04
Speaker
You know, is he still a startable QB a couple years down the road? Who knows and then if you look at their backup, so Wait a second. They didn't draft a single back You know, I'm assuming they're gonna address that in the rookie draft but looking at this roster right now I'm not loving that QB situation and then their wide receivers
01:35:29
Speaker
You know, I love digs, but he is older. Debo Samuel, Dave, you talked about it a little bit. I think there's too much talent on that team for him to support high-end numbers anymore, so I just don't see that. The running backs are definitely strong. I think that's where they're probably strongest, but I do think there's a lot of risk there. Walker, Pierce, Cook,
01:35:57
Speaker
They could work out and be great, but they also could not work out. And then, you know, I think they're weak elsewhere. So I don't love it. It's not the team that I would like to go into Dynasty with. But let's hear what you guys think. Yeah, I was I was in the middle of that. I gave him a B minus. This team made a few picks that I deem were reaches, and I mentioned it in the previous section.
01:36:23
Speaker
I personally would have passed on Walker, Deebo, and Algier at those points. But again, I don't think any of those moves were detrimental. I don't think they were great values at that point. I thought there were better players on the board. Additionally, the rest of the picks that they made had a lot of safer picks that kind of fell out of their laps. And not to say these are not higher in upside good players, but I at Burrow, obviously a good pick, fell out of his lap, but I also a great guy, a player that can have digs.
01:36:50
Speaker
Very consistent still like a top 10 wide receiver But again, he's older, but I think it's good pick. I even like Pierce and James Cook I know some people are down on maybe either both of those or one of those I think they're both pretty solid. Thanks I don't think these guys are gonna be like like the rolling fire But I think they're solid running backs to have in the league as where I mentioned QB to me is a risk behind burrow they have Mack Jones and that's really it so
01:37:17
Speaker
You're gonna have to rely on other options there, and I don't have to have the depth to like to do that so Generally the bench is more dark those than anything else if one or two of those guys hit though Which they could hit I think this team can actually rise a little bit and that would increase their grade But as of right now I'm given to be minus there's still some projections that need to be done to make them Kind of hit that higher level, but Joe you were the highest on them. What'd you think?
01:37:42
Speaker
Yeah, I gave him a B+. I really don't hit the roster. I think we talked earlier about my maybe higher than consensus valuation of Kenneth Walker at this point. I think he's being slept on a little much. Obviously, Burrow we talked about. Diggs and Samuel and George Pickens. That's a solid, wide receiver for me. There's youth, there's upside.
01:38:09
Speaker
Diggs is not young, but he's not old either and tied to a young quarterback like Josh Allen's not going anywhere anytime soon So if you got another three to four very very productive years out of fun things I would not be surprised at all We talked about the agile Algier pick he wins some you lose some but overall I think that
01:38:32
Speaker
There's, uh, you know, there's, there's, there's upside on the bench. When you look at, uh, Elijah Mitchell, who you could probably should swap right in there for Algier and the starting lineup. And, you know, at the tight end position, guys like Alberto and Kate, Kate Otten, who I think are, you know, decently upside, decent upside tight end guys, in addition to Dalton Charles. So the foundation's there. I think there's, I think there are some good pieces here.
01:38:59
Speaker
And I think they're on the younger side, so I don't hate this one. B plus. Yep. I like it. And that's the beauty of fantasy, man. The value is all over place. Next one we got here is Scotty. So Joe, why don't you start us off? Yep. I'm going to bring the roster up.
01:39:25
Speaker
I gave Scott's roster a B, and I know that maybe I'm a little bit higher than consensus on this one, but I do, like I said, mean, if you look top to bottom, I mean, it's a very, it's a strong starting lineup. I mean, like McCaffrey, Mixon, Breece Hall, that's James Connor. Like these are, these are, these are all strong running backs. Kittle is a strong tight end. We'll see what Davante Adams turns into,
01:39:55
Speaker
You know, if he ends up hitting, he does have the Garoppolo Adams stack, which probably will be the least intimidating power stack of all time, but it worked out. I mean, look, Cooper Cup 2, like, if we're talking about this year, you know, we can joke about the, the, the Tannehill, you know, play the sad music once more, uh, Eckerd deal, but
01:40:21
Speaker
I mean, I think that even despite that move, there's still a lot to be excited about on this roster. And again, like we said earlier, if you flip over to the bench and you look at the bench and you say like, how many of these guys on the bench can we just like throw in there in a pinch? We got quite a bit. I mean, Jamal Williams, Boston Scott, especially against the Giants, Tyler Boyd, Marquez Valdez Scantling, Ricky James, Darius Slayton, Devin DuVernay. Like these are all guys you can, no offense. These are all guys you can throw in there. So.
01:40:49
Speaker
Not only do I think that there's some chance for Upside this year with some of these older guys who probably have some left in the tank, I think he'll be just fine for Upside.
01:41:05
Speaker
I had a similar sentiment, but had the Ekler trade not happened, literally, if he just kept Ekler and didn't make the trade, I would have probably game his team with B+. I agree. I like this roster a lot. He passed in quarterbacks and superflakes. Obviously, that's always a risk, but he picked up so many picks
01:41:25
Speaker
Um, constant moving back, move back. I think like three times or something in the first few rounds and use those picks to get some league winning game changers at every other position. CMC briefs are like elite running back assets. They're going to be top five in the position, potentially tough position every week that they're healthy.
01:41:41
Speaker
Cup and Adams are both guys who have finished wide receiver one and still have it and will still be wide receiver ones But like I mean like the wide receiver one overall And they're still considered top ten. They got Judy mixing kiddo Connor fan Those are all excellent depth pieces you threw Ekler in the mix That'd be great like obviously he was unfortunate He didn't have a pick in the seventh round the QB run in the eighth round kind of derailed his draft And he got Jimmy G as a starter
01:42:07
Speaker
Um, which if it was his QB two, again, I think would be fine. Um, but like he had, even if he started with that, I think all his other assets that he had, even if he didn't have another quarterback, uh, to there, he has such an advantage at every other position. I think it would have been fine if he had kept Echler. I think the move for Echler was a mistake. So that's the only reason why I'm talking down there. But again, as I mentioned previously.
01:42:33
Speaker
I could be very wrong in how this turns out next year. I still think he's going to compete this year. Regardless, I think he has a lot of, a lot of high upside pieces. It will be very solid this year. I would project him probably still be a playoff team this year. And honestly, we've seen Scott, he's made 10 moves. And if we've seen anything from the tape,
01:42:50
Speaker
the people who are the most active, they don't win every trade. You lose some, you win some, you just keep making trades in Scots and sales, so I'm sure we're gonna make more trades. And he has the pieces to do so, but just coming out of the draft because of that trade, it put a sour taste in my mouth, which is why I docked it, but I still think it's a pretty solid roster. But what about you, Rhett? Yeah, I was a little harder on him. Scotty, I love you, but I see you was all I could come up with. I just think in Dynasty Superflex,
01:43:19
Speaker
I just can't imagine that you can compete year after year with Jimmy G and Tannehill as your quarterbacks. And then on top of that, he gave up his 2024 first. So even if you think you're going to take a rookie quarterback and that's how you're going to turn around your QB situation, it's almost not there for him.
01:43:40
Speaker
You know, I don't love that. I do agree with you guys. I think he has probably the top running backs. If we looked at everyone's teams, you'd probably rank number one there with, you know, Hall, McCaffrey, Nixon. So he definitely can compete, but I think looking full picture, long-term, I just think that QB situation is going to hurt him. To add insult to injury, there was a report that Jimmy G had foot surgery today. So it's like,
01:44:07
Speaker
He might not even have a starting quarterback, you know what? So I didn't I don't love going into dynasty with that. So that's yeah, I could give them I will know the Near-term looks like pretty good the he definitely needs to make moves in the next year or two. Otherwise, I
01:44:29
Speaker
It'll get ugly, but he has. I will say he has tons of assets to kind of turn around. So this is again why I see the wide range. He could be good this year. Doesn't have a lot of great long term pieces, potentially has some good ones, but he definitely has to stay active. I'm hoping he stays active. I think he will be able to figure out, but I would not at risk. I would be shocked if he missed the playoffs. If we were putting gambling odds on his playoff chance this year, I would set the line at like minus one.
01:44:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think he does too, but next year, if he didn't make any moves, then you start getting risky. But that's where I think he'll make moves and mix up the roster a little bit. Moving forward to Canelo's. I'll start off, I think we're all pretty impressed across the board. I gave him just a flat out A. It was a very impressive draft, one that was extremely frustrating for me, because he kept sniping everyone I was targeting. He locked in on a young, high-end quarterback in Herbert,
01:45:26
Speaker
He went early to get his QB2 in Dak, which as a QB2 is a great option. Like I thought he would be someone's QB1. He got him as his QB2. He got cars, QB3, which is huge value and gives him a lot of flexibility going forward if he wants to make trades or just like five weeks or injuries.
01:45:42
Speaker
He picked up one of the most sold-off to Dynasty tight ends and pits, scooped up Pollard to lock down his every one spot, which I think is an incredible spot. He courted the market on young wide receivers who have the potential to grow and become high in options, so he got good value there. Like, I love Deontay, IU.
01:45:57
Speaker
Burks even peers Gibson as an RB2 is also great value because I think the commander is gonna use him more with this skill set And he owns the 107 in the rookie draft like that No, that's not part of this But I just like a projected for like I think he's set up to be competing right now and be and also as a launcher So I just thought it was an incredible draft by canals. What do you think right? I
01:46:19
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I thought he had a great draft. I gave him an A minus. The only reason I didn't give him an A or an A plus. I talked about it before. I don't love pits. And then I think his running backs are a little weak. Obviously Pollard stands out, but I'm not sold on Gibson and Singletary. So I don't love those as your two and three, but I think he had a great draft. He's got a ton of value at QB, tons of young wide receivers, as you mentioned. And I think he ended up with a great team. So I liked it a lot.
01:46:52
Speaker
Yeah. Um, you know, maybe I'll throw some counterpoints out there because I agree with a lot of what you guys said. I do think that his draft was strong, but if, if, if I was, if I were to play devil's advocate here, so I was between an a minus and a B plus and why I was considering a B plus, you know, upside is, is, is just that it's upside. And at the end of the day, right? Like these things have to pan out and Kyle Pitts was not a, a usable fantasy asset last season.
01:47:22
Speaker
Kaitlyn Brooks had a lot of injury concerns. Deante Johnson did not score one touchdown last season. Antonio Gibson is in a crowded back. Two for a positive aggression. Again, just playing devil's advocate here, right? I love the Pollard pick. I love his two quarterbacks. I'm very high on Brooks and Dawson. I think that they are going to be guys that we're talking about in like tier one or tier two next year, but they're not there yet, right? So that's it, right?
01:47:48
Speaker
Upside doesn't necessarily win championships and there's a lot of upside here and a lot to be happy about, but it's got to pan out for them. So good draft and hopefully it will, some of these guys will work out. Moving on down to the trade master Schluter and also a brother-in-law, Ryan, I'll let you start it off.
01:48:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but I gave him my highest draft grade. I gave him an A. He accumulated a ton of rookie draft picks. So even, you know, not looking at his team, I don't even know what it is, but he's got a ton of rookie draft picks this year. I know he's got two 2024 first round draft picks next year. So tons of draft capital.
01:48:31
Speaker
Moved up for Lamar. He's obviously a stud. Paired him with Kirk Cousins for now. Could realistically end up with three top wide receivers with Brown, Olavian, Williamson. Madison we talked about. Could take over. We've seen what he can do there. He could be a great running back going forward. Bryan Robinson showed some promise last year too.
01:48:53
Speaker
I really like Evan Ingram at tight end for now. So overall, I think a really, really solid team, a ton of draft capital. I think he set up to compete right now and to compete for years to come. What about you, Jeff? Yeah, I would. I would give this one. I was on the border between an A and an A minus. And the running back situation is not my favorite.
01:49:21
Speaker
To be, to be frank, um, I mean, obviously P. Ryan is a good value and, um, can makers and Brian Robinson are values and look, right? Like this is a lot of what I was suggesting earlier, which is, you know, solidify the tight, the, the wide receiver and quarterback room, and then just grab a bunch of later mid round upside guys that running back. So, um, I think that this is, this is the way to go from a roster construction perspective. And that's why I have him on the.
01:49:50
Speaker
on the A minus border. I think that he did a good job making moves and we're not even mentioning the fact that he's got Jameson Williams on his bench who I actually am pretty high on as well. So if we're looking at a situation where Jameson Williams hits and he's got AJ Brown, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams as three young locked in stud wide receivers in addition to Lamar, that's a good foundation. Plus all the pixie accumulated. So I think
01:50:18
Speaker
I think it was a very strong draft. Yeah, I gave him an A as well. He was wheeling, dealing so much. I think he just made people dizzy and didn't realize what hazards he had anymore. Before he would get into his roster, I'll give you Ron and his pick. He's got two 2024 firsts. He actually ended up this draft with two startup first draft picks. So he ended up getting all this capital while also getting two picks in the startup first. But he ended up two firsts in the 2024 rookie draft.
01:50:47
Speaker
What spots are those in this year's draft? Well, I'll get to that in this year. So that was 2024, he's got two first. Then this year, he's got three of the first 13 picks. He's got the 106, the 112 and the 201. And then another, I think like the 207 or something like that he's got. So he's got a ton of like draft capital this year as well. So I put like, so this just shows like not being afraid of trades and worry about winning every individual trade. When you look at the body of work, if you're just making trades going on like,
01:51:18
Speaker
being active will benefit you. You're not gonna win every single trade. He didn't win every single trade. Look, he overpaid sometimes. But at the end of the day, I think he won the full trade market there. So I think it paid off. And then just looking at the talent on his roster, he still did this with getting high-end options. He got Lamar, obviously, if he reaches his MVP levels, he's gonna be a game changer again. Even his QB2 cousins is a good floor play and a solid QB2.
01:51:46
Speaker
And he got purdy, who has a ton of value as well as a QB three, who should be getting playing time as well. He got some extremely valuable. Why does he is AJ Brown in a lobby? And then as Joe mentioned, Jamo as well, who like, we, we don't see him for, he won't start his real game. Like we've seen in NFL really for like a year and a half. I think he's played like, I don't know, like 30 snaps or something, but he's got a ton of talent. It could be a game changer.
01:52:10
Speaker
He went on running back and honestly, I think he still found great values. Even though they're not like game changers, Acres, Brian Robertson, Madison, and Pete Ryan, those are four running backs that you can at least throw in. So I think like, even though it's not high end options, I still think that they'll be startable. And Ingram at tight end, because he's got Tyre Lawrence as the quarterback. Great, great value there. I expect him to be in the playoff hunt this year, and I'm not going to be shocked if he uses all that draft capital to
01:52:39
Speaker
like upgrade further. He's got so much up capital that we should be watching him to use that to really upgrade his roster in the near term. So I thought it was a great draft. Going down to the Rosinski bros. All right, I mean, Ryan, you go first and then I'm gonna go last on this one with Ryan Gough with the Rosinski bros.
01:53:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they're my third team that I think is a real contender this year. You know, the RBs alone, they have Jonathan Taylor, Austin Eckler, Nick Chubb, and Derek Henry. I mean, you know, no one can really compete with that. They should carry them, you know,
01:53:21
Speaker
I only gave them a B overall, though, because this is Dynasty, I think you gotta consider the future too, and all four of those RBs could see massive swings in their value over the next couple years, but for this year, they're no doubt that it's an absolutely stacked running back room.
01:53:38
Speaker
I don't love the QB options. You know, 2-1 needs to stay healthy. Golf isn't something to write home about, although he isn't a pass-happy offense and did pretty well last year. The receivers are definitely solid, but I'm not sure any of them are a true wide receiver one right now.
01:53:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think potentially they could win a title this year. Um, and if they make some moves over the next couple of years, they can stay competitive. So be overall, definitely a contender this year. Um, I liked the, liked the draft for them. How about you, Jeff? Yeah. Big time win now team. Um, uh, from a longevity standpoint, I personally have opted to be out on tour and maybe that ends up coming back to.
01:54:27
Speaker
to haunt me because he's a young dude and maybe he's able to avoid concussions and have a long and prosperous career. But I'm betting against that at this point. And like you said, a lot of his strength is in the running backs with Henry Taylor, Eckler Chubb, who are all very close to, if not over the hill. So near term, the next year to two years, a great situation for him. But, you know, like a lot of these running backs,
01:54:55
Speaker
Eckler and Henry specifically if I owned them right now and in some leagues I do, they're probably more trade away guys than trade for guys just because their value is coming to an end. But if we talk about this year, I think this team is probably the favorite to win it this year and for the next probably two or three years would say the same, but I would
01:55:24
Speaker
I'd probably say that it would be wise for them to also consider getting some value for some of these aging guys, so if they're not in a terrible rebuild come 2025. Yeah, I mean, I gave them an A plus best grade for me. They were very active in the trade market. They missed on some trades. They hit on some trades. Obviously, we talked about one. The Nauseam, I agree, like the two of fell because of the health concerns.
01:55:53
Speaker
which is a legitimate concern but if he stays healthy he's going to put a few B1 numbers and golf is a QB2 I actually like that as QB2 it's a pass happy offense he throws a ton they don't seem to fully be out on him either so like he could be sticking around
01:56:08
Speaker
Um, the wide receiver and like tight end isn't deep on their bench, but they do have like some decent starters and the young ones at the, uh, there'd be with T Higgins, the Vonta Smith and a Joe Koo and the Ava of Christian Kirk as a wide receiver three, but the running backs that we've talked about it, they got, uh, JT, Eckler, Chubb and Henry. There's very realistic, uh, scenario where multiple weeks, they have the one through four running back of the week on their roster. So like this year.
01:56:38
Speaker
they're very like they're my favorite to win it this year as of right now. And as we mentioned, like, yes, these guys are on the near end of their their careers. But because they have four of these guys, these are tradable assets. And
01:56:53
Speaker
they were going to be willing to trade them. So like also coming to me out of the draft, like you're trying to accumulate assets and they got assets that can easily be moved and teams are going to need running back. So I think they did great. And also to mention, obviously not part of this draft, they have the one Oh five in the rookie draft, which is going to be a very valuable pick. Either they use it or again, they can use it in a trade and combine. Like they just have so many pieces that they, if they don't do anything, I think they're the favorite to win this year.
01:57:20
Speaker
They can trade some, still be the favorite to be this year and get younger. I just think they have so many options right now and that they're my clear favorite to win this year. And I hate it for the record. I absolutely hate that they had my favorite. I just want that to be known. Next, we're moving down to Adam and Katz. I'll start it off. They, and I expect this out of Adam, he is just very level-headed and analytical. Where all of us are going for quarterbacks and JJ Falls, he goes and just,
01:57:49
Speaker
This patient gets the best value in the first round, it's an absolute steal. And then he pairs them with Waddle, who's like lethal to have as their one and two. Their two wide receivers are better than most people's first wide receiver. Even adding Christian Watson, who has high variance, he has weak winning upsides. So you pair those three wide receivers together, all three of them can win a week. And I do like Etienne and their RB1 spot as well.
01:58:12
Speaker
Danny Dimes I'm personally high on I know he's got a lot of Russian building and I still I'm also biased than the giant fan But waiting on him get him in the fourth round. I thought it was a huge value In the middle rounds he grabs about some like solid value pick it as the QB 2 Don't love them, but I also realized they're probably gonna draft a quarterback with the 104 obviously not part of this grade But overall I gave it a B plus to think they stayed water in the early rounds later in the rounds They just kind of they didn't hit any
01:58:39
Speaker
really home runs later on, but they hit some real big home runs to start the draft. So I thought it was a B plus there. Joe, what'd you think? Yeah, so game would be plus, I think they have an amazing quarterback and wide receiver situation, which is exactly what you want in this format. Some good youth and upside at the running back position depth might be a little bit of a concern. I don't
01:59:05
Speaker
see too much by way of plug and play guys on the bench right now that they could sub in there if they get bit by the injury bug but overall a strong team and I think well positioned at the right spot so yeah I'm a fan of the roster. Yeah and I was just a little higher than you guys I gave them an A-
01:59:25
Speaker
You know, my favorite wide receiver group, obviously Jefferson and Waddle, hard to compete with that. He'll be staples for years to come. I also talked about how I love the Daniel Jones pick earlier. So I think that was a huge grab for their quarterback. And yeah, the RBs, you know, they do have me a little worried, but there is some upside there. But, you know, if picket performs, I think they have a really good team and I liked their draft.
01:59:53
Speaker
And then moving on down to Harrison and to cost the run once you kick it off Yes, I gave them a B+. I love their wide receiver core You know Garrett Wilson we talked about it a little bit, but I actually do like that pick Drake London I think
02:00:14
Speaker
You know, he could be in a higher tier conversation in a couple of years. I also already talked about how much I love Hollywood brown. So I thought that was a great pick. I don't love their quarterbacks, but I do get Watson and Smith. They could both have good years. I just question if they'll, you know, continue it for years to come.
02:00:37
Speaker
Uh, Mark Andrews, Joe talked about, I think that that was a great pickup, probably the best dynasty tight end moving forward. So overall, I think they had a solid draft. What about you, Jeff? Yeah, not as high on the team, but there's definitely something to be said for the upside. I gave him a B plus. I mean, there's definitely, definitely have a great, great team, but it's just a lot for me personally, it's a lot of question marks, right? So.
02:01:06
Speaker
Does Deshaun Watson return to form? Does Garrett Wilson take the step with Aaron Rodgers? Is Michael Thomas going to be a productive fantasy option again? Does Drake London spend the next two to four years of his prime on an offense that is only throwing the ball 18 times a game? You know, is AJ Dillon going to bounce back from posting like a three yards per carry last season?
02:01:34
Speaker
There's just a lot of questions. I love Andrews. I love Alan. I love Jacobs. I think it's a strong team. It's just if you want me to tell you, is this team going to be a contender for a title in the championship? I think a lot of it comes down to, like I said, a bunch of these guys like Michael Thomas, Drake London, EJ Dylan, Deshaun Watson. If those guys hit, then we got a contender. And if they don't, then we don't.
02:02:04
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, I actually think they had a very strong draft here that Dan and Harry, I do, begrudgingly. Moving back out of the first was a risky move, but ultimately what I think that paid off for them, there was no QBs on the board with that pick, and rather than go for the Super Elite, they ended up getting, in my opinion, two Elite wide receivers, second year wide receivers in Wilson and London. London obviously needs to have an improved situation, but he's got the talent and the youth that I think he eventually will become a high-end option.
02:02:34
Speaker
I don't personally love Watson. I think that is the consensus on this podcast here. But he has shown the ability to be top five and who knows with the full off season with the team, maybe he returns to some of that form. But Mark Andrews in third in this format is like difference makers. I think Jacobs and Gino were great values in the fourth and fifth. I think Gino has no excuse not to be successful next year. Long-term, who knows, but at least for the year or two, I think it'll be great.
02:03:02
Speaker
I think Keenan Allen and Michael Thomas, I know Michael Thomas has injury, his issues, but like where they got them, I think was good value where it's just, it's pure upside at that point. If they hit, as Joe mentioned, I think that'll be the difference maker. The bench though, it's a mix of like interesting option and clearly joke picks like Josh Corden, Zach Wilson, but those are, I want to think about, but again, I think it was a very strong draft and knowing that they're going to be going into rookie draft, the 103, I think the team only gets stronger, so I gave them an A.
02:03:31
Speaker
Yeah, I mean if you want to talk about we've been saying guys that you could throw in in a pinch, right? They'll say oh, yeah, Ronak Clyde Edwards hilarious Damien Harris Baker Mayfield. These are all guys you exactly There's they got a good bet, but then you have like the guys you know or just straight up for the content exactly
02:03:57
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like just Gordon has been put on the trade block four times already Moving down it is my team I will abstain from this but I'll let you guys do good after who goes first or second Yeah, I'll jump in so initially had you graded as a B but later actually upgraded you to a B plus considering that I I was
02:04:19
Speaker
sort of overlooking Javante Williams lingering on the bench. I think that that makes a big difference. The main issue for me with your roster, honestly, is the absence of a QB2. And then if you kind of take a step back and realize that you have the 102 in the startup, which is likely going to turn into your QB2, you know, your team probably becomes closer to an A minus of great. So, you know, it's, it's, uh,
02:04:47
Speaker
I think that you have a couple situations that we'll have to see how they pan out, right? Like, does Javante come back to form and how long does it take? Does JK Dobbins have the second year after the ACL bounce back? Does David Montgomery still hold value with the drafting of Jameer Gibbs? How much does Tyler Lockett still have in the tank? Odell Beckham, does he have like legitimately anything in the tank? You know, I
02:05:14
Speaker
But I think that there's a lot of young pieces here that are strong. And when you consider the fact that you're going to have two young quarterbacks, a solid young tight end, some solid young wide receiver and running back pieces. I think you're firmly on the cusp of B plus and A minus.
02:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I went with the A-minus. I thought you had a great draft. I talked about it before, but I loved the move up to grab Lawrence. I do think he's gonna be a legit quarterback for quite a few years. You are definitely lacking that second QB option, but as Joe said, I'm kind of assuming you're gonna take a rookie QB with that second overall pick. So if he gets thrown in there, then that fills that void.
02:06:11
Speaker
I think running back is potentially your weakest. Like Joe said, there's definitely some question marks there.
02:06:19
Speaker
But there is a lot of upside. If it works out, then you'll definitely have some solid running backs. I love CD-Lam. I had them as one of my favorite picks of the first three rounds. Hopkins and Lockett are older, but for right now should be pretty good options. And then I actually really like Hawkeson as your tight end one. So I think you had a good draft.
02:06:43
Speaker
Thank you. Now, moving to Joe's play. No, you guys are all, it's a lot of risks for my team, but if it hits, if it doesn't, whatever. I'll move on. Joey Gallo, it's the last team. It's been a marathon. Joey will abstain.
02:06:59
Speaker
I'll start it off, since I was quiet last round. And obviously, because I was drafting right before Joey, drafting at the end is just rough. It's like impossible for players to fall for you. And if there's someone you want, you have to reach. You're not getting better. I think you saw our best grades came from the middle of the rounds. The end of the round is just like impossible.
02:07:19
Speaker
That being said, with that scenario in mind, I think Joey came out pretty well. Moving up to grab Chase and pairing him with DK, which I think we overlooked. DK was actually a good draft value there, too. I think that's a very lethal combo. Kyler's value is suppressed a little bit because of the injury, but he actually may start the beginning of the year, and if he does, he's shown that he's a top 10 QB option. I like the move up to get Sanders, and grabbing Dalvin where he falls,
02:07:47
Speaker
It's very well that one's like a top 10 running back next year again, like, and I, so that's good. I love go there. It isn't as I mentioned.
02:07:54
Speaker
Evans and Bateman, I actually think they have their question marks, obviously, like they have, Evans is shutting down with a bad quarterback. Bateman hasn't proved to be healthy, but they also have shown they could be very strong options as well. So like, I think those are the variables that can kind of tilt his team either direction. And the bench does have some interesting options. I felt Carter was a good depth piece. Even Warren is a good one. Dobbs, Shakir and McBride, like McBride was a,
02:08:21
Speaker
was the first and second run tight end pick for the Cardinals. So like, there's a lot of health in production that could, for a lot of these options, but the team is going to come down to the quarterbacks. And it is really coming down to like, hoping these quarterbacks are healthy, and for the most part improve. Like Kyler, as I mentioned, I like Stafford and Russ, like
02:08:44
Speaker
You're just, they need to be healthy and they need to improve. If they're not, this team's going to be in trouble. Fortunately, you have, like, and honestly, I think you could go 50 50. Like, I think that's the best possible gift for either one of them. I think, cause that friend, like that neck issue, if he's actually healthy, I think he'll produce it. I'm actually a staff for fan. It's just health for me with him.
02:09:02
Speaker
Russ I have more questions because it kind of is healthy kind of is Just skill set but they both have upside they both have a lot of good weapons So if they eat just one of them hits, I think this team is gonna be okay. We compete for a playoff spot also
02:09:17
Speaker
We keep saying all this, and again, I'm not giving him credit for having the one-on-one in the rookie draft, but he's going to have the genre on this team. So this draft grade is not where I think he's going to be in the power rankings. I think this team is going to be higher in the power rankings. So even though I'm giving him baby, that's purely on the startup grade. It's not where I think he's going to actually be at the end of the day. But with that being said, what about you, Ryan? Yeah, I gave you a B plus. I'll start with your wide receivers.
02:09:43
Speaker
You actually have potentially the strongest wide receivers after maybe Adam. Obviously, huge move up per chase. I think that'll be worth it. I think DK was a great grab.
02:09:53
Speaker
And then as Dave said, Bateman, Evans, Myers, all those guys could be really good if things go their way. So, love the wide receivers. Running backs, I do love Sanders. Cook is obviously a question mark, but as Dave said, he could work out great this year. And then, you know, obviously you have the 101, so assuming he might go with...
02:10:16
Speaker
Robinson there. My biggest knock is the quarterback. You know, I personally am not a huge fan of Murray, so I don't love him as your QB one. And then I hate Wilson. So as your QB two, I'm just not a fan. And, you know, Stafford as your backup definitely could be there, but they're both so both older. So don't love the QB situation, which is why I couldn't give you an A, but still a solid B plus. I think you had a good draft.
02:10:44
Speaker
Do you have any rebuttals I guess before I close this section out? There's a lot of question marks at quarterback position. Even if Kyler is healthy in week one, what kind of season do they have? They're projected to have like the second
02:11:01
Speaker
for third fewest wins in the whole league. Yeah. And they have the first and they have two, they're going to end up with two very high picks in next year's draft. So this is Caleb Williams going to be the quarterback of Arizona next year. And where does that leave Kyla? So yeah, a lot of questions, but we'll see. Drafting at the end sucks. I'm just going to leave it at that. But, um, with that being said, that, that was all the grades in the league. Uh, if you have,
02:11:29
Speaker
Any comments, feedback on the grade we gave you? Leave it in the comments section. Let's get some extra interaction on this pod. But with that said, that closes out the grade section of our podcast. Cue the baseball music. All right, moving on to our final quick hitter. We're just gonna quick overview of the rookie draft. We are going into rookie draft next week. Joey is currently on the clock. He has the first overall pick.
02:12:00
Speaker
We've talked about it's likely going to be Bajan. I have the second overall pick, likely going to be a quarterback. I'm leading the guy from Indianapolis, Anthony Richardson. I may have showed my hand in the draft when I grabbed Minshu as like an insurance there. If Joe does not go Bajan, I kind of try to position myself at ground percent with Howell, as like just in case Howell doesn't work out, I have the backup there.
02:12:27
Speaker
Yeah, with that on the set, Joe, I guess what are you looking forward to? Are you excited about the draft other than Bijan? And do you have any tips or strategies that anything else relates to rookie draft? I am excited about Bijan.
02:12:47
Speaker
I will say for me personally, it's exciting to have the 101, but the fact that I'm not picking again until 24 or 25. And also like, you know, if we kind of like revert back to the trade I made for Khalil Shakira, part of the reason I made that trade is because my second pick is not until the 24th overall. So overall, it'll be interesting to see how
02:13:11
Speaker
the league values, some of these rookies, you know, we just had our startup in another league, Super Flex dynasty league recently. And it was interesting to me to see how, how that one went down. So, Joe, let me ask you a question. So on the last podcast, you said you weren't a hundred percent sold on Bijan. And we just talked about how QBs may be your weakest position. Any thought to potentially go in quarterback
02:13:41
Speaker
You know, short answer is no. So I spent some time just kind of, at this point, I would say I'm committed to Bijan because of the way that I drafted, which was going younger at the wide receiver and the wide receiver position.
02:14:07
Speaker
not really giving myself too much upside at running back outside of, I mean, my boy, Miles Sanders, but outside of that, I have Dalvin. And I mean, I just think that Bijon has the highest probability of being a really valuable fantasy asset relative to some of these other quarterbacks who I have my concerns about.
02:14:36
Speaker
Yeah, I was just curious. Yeah, no, it's, it's, uh, it became clear pretty soon after when I started looking at projections and listening to some of the people that I trust that not taking Robinson with the one-on-one would have been an asinine decision. So that was. It would have been, and I was, I mean, come here, I was kind of hoping you would. I was like, oh wait, there's a chance I get Pajan, but I know that's dashed now. Um,
02:15:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, for me, honestly, I'm next on there. I'm excited to get a quarterback, because that seems to be the biggest pitfall on my team. And I kind of drafted, assuming I would get a quarterback. I am interested, because for me, I think the top, there's like a couple of tiers within the first top 10 picks. But for me, the first time, there are clear, in my mind, top 10 assets in this format for the rookies. I'm interested to see if it plays out that way.
02:15:35
Speaker
I'm also interested, like, as I mentioned, Schluter has, like, a ton of picks. I'm just curious if he, like, uses them all, if he trades any of them or moves up or whatnot. But, yeah, other than that, it's, like, no real tips in there. It's just, it's funny. Whenever you look at any mock Jazza rankings, after you get past, like, the top 10 again, the rankings start getting widely, like, ADPs all over the place. So it'll be interesting to see where it's at. Like, Joe mentioned we saw some, like, freaky drafts. People ended up in weird spots.
02:16:02
Speaker
So it'd be kind of interesting again to see like what this week does. I'm also very interested to see what the Wilkinsons do with their first pick at the 312. It's a big one. I'm really pumped for the rookie draft in 2024. I'm just going to be sipping on a pina colada at the beach, but yeah, excited to see what you guys do.
02:16:27
Speaker
Yeah, well, with that, Brian, as this being your first rookie draft, any other questions? Because you're not really participating in it, you don't really care? No, I don't think so. I mean, having been through the startup draft now, I think that gives you some insight into how the rookie draft will go. So I think it'll be interesting to see where some of the guys fall on the first round. And yeah, I'm excited to get the season started. Yeah, me too.
02:16:57
Speaker
even more chairs will happen. But with that being said, it's been a marathon boys. Happy to have done it with you, but that is the end of the show. I am looking forward to the startup draft and once the startup draft ends, we'll start going through, we'll analyze it and maybe start giving out our initial power rankings. But with that, we will be signing off. So thank you very much guys. You made it this far and you're listening to this. Cheers. Especially if you did it
02:17:23
Speaker
Not on like one and a half or two X speed. Thank you guys.