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EPISODE 15: WEEK 10 RECAP & NSFW TRADE MACHINE
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We hit 15 episodes! We dive into all of the happenings in Week 15 and then as most league's trade deadline approaches we throw out a few trade ideas for other teams in our own personal league that we think could make sense as you contemplate building a trade in your own leagues!
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts Update
00:00:08
Speaker
Welcome to the Nonstop Fantasy Weekly Dynasty podcast. We are here with your hosts, Dave Reed, Ray Wilkinson, and Joey Gallo.
00:00:26
Speaker
Welcome in to the NSFW Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Reed, joined by my co-host, Joey Gallo. And unfortunately, no Ryan Wilkinson this week. This is not our day job. I don't know if you can tell by the production that we have, but sometimes our normal jobs do get in the way, but he'll be back on next week's pod.
New Segment: NSFW Trade Machine
00:00:47
Speaker
But Joe, Joe, you and me today. Yeah, man. I know that you hear the intro music.
00:00:53
Speaker
It sounds very professional. You hear the analysis. It sounds very professional. But it's just a hobby. Just a hobby. But one of these days, when we get to episode maybe 50, we'll call it a real job. So right now, we're only on episode 15. And we got a fun one. Week 10 is in the books. The playoff picture and your fantasy and dynasty leads are starting to take shape.
00:01:18
Speaker
And for many leagues, the trade deadline is actually approaching. So you have to make a decision. Are you going to go for it this year? Or are you going to start building towards the future?
Injury Updates: Key Players
00:01:26
Speaker
With that in mind, we have a new segment that we'll be debuting later in the pod called the NSFW Trade Machine.
00:01:33
Speaker
I'll let Joe take it away when we get there. But before we dive into that, going to hit up the medical ward and all the injuries that occurred in week 10. So there are a couple of big ones. The most noticeable one that we had was Deshawn Watson is now out for the year with a shoulder injury, I believe, with a fracture. And he's going to have season-ending surgery. He also had a high ankle sprain, just to make matters worse.
00:01:59
Speaker
Matthew Stafford, he was on by, but he should actually be coming back from a spring UCL on from his thumb. He is expected to play this week. Derek Carr left the game with a concussion, which made Jamis Winston come in to play the Saints are actually on by this week. So we'll see how they have the concussion protocol developed for Derek Carr.
00:02:19
Speaker
Taylor Heineke left with a hamstring injury, which let Desmond Ritter come in. They were also on a bye, so we'll monitor that. Alexander Madison had a concussion. Also, he's just not good at football, which is another injury. But Ty Chandler came in and started to look pretty good. Damian Pierce missed the second straight game. Hasn't had an update on this week on his injury, so it's still a bit unknown if he'll play on week 11. But Singletary did step up in his absence.
00:02:48
Speaker
sticking with the Texans, Niko Collins, missed another game this in week 10. And we haven't really heard much about his status either, so he's still at risk for week 11. T Higgins has already been ruled out for Thursday Night Football tomorrow with a hamstring injury. Jamar Chase was able to get in play in week 10. He actually ended up having one large touchdown in a classic Jamar Chase fashion. And he's trending pretty positively for a Thursday Night Football, looks like he is improving.
00:03:16
Speaker
Michael Thomas had a fairly significant knee injury. Don't know too much about it yet, but again, they are on the bias. We'll monitor that. Keenan Allen did leave the shootout game against the Lions, but he was able to come back. It was his shoulder, but he dominated when he came back. He's day-to-day, but overall not too worried. But Gerald Everett, who did nothing in that game, ended up leaving with a back injury also day-to-day.
00:03:41
Speaker
And also, someone who wasn't actually hurt, but if you were watching it, every single catch he made, it looked like he was going to die was TJ Hockinson.
Quarterback Discussions and Concerns
00:03:49
Speaker
I don't know if you, Joe, saw the Twitter threads on gifts of him catching the ball, just getting beat up. It was literally the funniest thing. I couldn't get enough of it. Yeah, so unfortunately, my second son was baptized on Sunday. So we had the reception lunch from two to five.
00:04:11
Speaker
So I was watching the early slate of games on the cell phone while hosting this party at the restaurant. So I didn't get to see too, too much on the social media. But from what I saw, he absolutely
00:04:25
Speaker
filled up the statue. I think he had, what, 15 targets? Oh, yeah. But every single catch, he got annihilated. Like, he was on all fours crawling. It looked like he was going to come out of the game 10 times. There was one catch. They were looking to see if he actually landed a bounce, because he had one. It looked like one foot landed. And then he got taken out from underneath and went flying. You know, it looked like he went out of bounds. And again, he, like, rolled out of that. Like, it was, I've never seen any player get beat up so hard in a game. But he just kept coming out.
00:04:55
Speaker
But with that being said, other players who are also looking like they're coming back. We got Devon H. Hand. His practice window opened up. Justin Jefferson's window was open up last week. It looks like he might play this week. We'll see. It hasn't been confirmed yet. And Justin Fields has actually been confirmed that he's starting this week with coming back from that thumb injury. So which of these injuries or return from injuries, Joe, are standing out to you? Yeah, so some thoughts that I have. The Stafford injury is it's good that he's coming back.
00:05:25
Speaker
It is mildly concerning that, um, he's had this injury in the past and hasn't played well with it. So I don't know exactly what to expect. Um, have cup and the cool shares. I mean, they did sign Carson Wentz who is better than Brett Ripon. So if in the off chance, you know, Stafford can't give it a go or re-injures or sustains another injury, at least there's someone functional throwing the ball to those guys.
00:05:51
Speaker
Taylor Heineken disappointing to be totally honest. I had high higher hopes for him for the passing offense with him coming in and he was disappointing for two weeks. Again, I wasn't watching those early games. Except for on my cell phone and when I saw that doesn't remember was in a game. I didn't know if Heineken had been benched or if he was hurt, but the fact that he could have been benched based on how he was playing kind of indicates how he's been playing. Yeah, T Higgins.
00:06:21
Speaker
Uh, I kind of went to bat for him earlier in the season, but I've been, uh, I have to, I don't always eat my words, but I'm going to be eating my words this time because, uh, I did go to bat for him as not being as injury prone as Mike Williams that only for him to miss. This is now his third injury that he's missed time with this year. So I called it. I'm just saying he's Mike Williams. I think when he's out there, he's a, he's a better receiver than Mike Williams, but.
00:06:46
Speaker
Uh, this year he has looked a lot like Mike Williams with his propensity to miss time. So that's unfortunate. And quite frankly, it almost seals the fact that he's not going to be back with Cincinnati because they have, they would have to bend their salary cap backwards to sign him. And they've already got. Enough at the wide receiver position. You would think in guys like Chase and Tyler Boyd, although Tyler Roy literally cost him the game, dropping a pass right in his hands. Uh, they could probably.
00:07:15
Speaker
get somebody much cheaper to fill in. Gerald Everett, I know we have him on the list, but I think there might be a clause in Gerald Everett's contract that says that he's not allowed to catch more than three passes in a game. I was looking at his game log earlier, because every game, especially with the injuries they have at their receiving query, you're like, oh, Gerald Everett is probably going to be a decent play. And he starts the game off with,
00:07:44
Speaker
one or two really strong receptions, and then you just never get the ball again. Donald Parham is involved. And there's another guy. Yeah, with that real quick, I don't think I've ever seen a player ranked in the top 15 more frequently who just gooses. You always think, oh, he's on a high-powered offense. He's starting tight end. They're in red zone.
00:08:11
Speaker
It just never, and we still keep buying it every week. I'm like, I have to stream a tight end. It's got to be effort. He's got to go through his games this season. He has two, three the first two weeks. I did it again this week. I started him in one week and six, six, six week three, and then two, three, three to zero. So it's just, and he gets targets, you know, like, but it's just, that's a frustrating situation. And quite frankly, he's, he's on my.
00:08:39
Speaker
I'm done with him. I can't tell you how many times I've started him in like the past three years. I'm not putting him in any parlays. And honestly, I'm not putting Donald Parham in anything either. I'm just out on their whole tight end situation because the tight end is hard enough to figure out when there's only
Running Back Roles and Future Uncertainty
00:08:59
Speaker
one guy that you need to get targets to. You can't be starting a tight end from an offense where it's a coin flip
00:09:05
Speaker
when you get a tight end target if it's going to be your guy. I think we keep thinking it because we saw Antonio Gates dominate for the Chargers for so long. And it's just like not the same offense, not the same players. That was like decades ago at this point. And you got Echler and Aquino and soaking up targets there. So this is more time than I thought it'd ever spend on Gerald Everett. So we should probably move on. And I guess the last thing, Devine H. And so it's interesting, right, like when he had his,
00:09:34
Speaker
What's the word you want? I don't want to call it resurgence, but when he hit the scene and, you know, like came on strong earlier in the season, it came kind of at the, at the, the expense of Raheem Mostert. So interested to see, I mean, Mostert's like.
00:09:52
Speaker
you know, a little banged up doesn't seem to be anything too, too serious. I'll be interested to see, I mean, I'm personally like, I think this week, Mostert could, if he plays, could have a little bit of value just because I don't know if they're going to take HN coming right off injury and throw them out there for a ton of work. And just in general, I don't think that Mostert is going to get nerfed as much the rest of the way here as he did earlier in the season when, uh,
00:10:21
Speaker
when HN kind of first went nuts for those two or three games before the injury. So I think most of it could be like a little bit of a buy low, like right now, or if HN goes out there this week, has like an explosive run, 70 yard touchdown on three or four carries, you know.
00:10:39
Speaker
I don't know that they're going to be running him too, too much inside the five and the 10. And that's kind of where most makes a lot of his living. So I don't fully, I mean, I don't think most of it won't be, but I do think he's older and honest, like he is banged up. He,
00:10:55
Speaker
doesn't look as elite if when i've watched the games over the past few weeks as like you might expect he's gotten touchdowns which has helped it but if you watch it he gets stuffed a lot um so i think they'd welcome hn back uh obviously they're gonna be careful with him so i like i don't i'm not a doctor i don't know the extent of the injury and like you know uh
00:11:15
Speaker
he's in the back end. But I think they want him back because he was doing stuff that most are good. You did see him using the red zone. So I don't like most has been a locked and loaded RB one for most of the season. I don't think that's going to happen. Maybe this week to your point like they won't flip on week one. But I think back half
00:11:35
Speaker
Uh, both are going to be great, but I don't think you're going to get most are to be. A consistent RB one, I think going forward, but
Quarterback Performance Comparisons: Jackson vs. Lawrence
00:11:42
Speaker
I think, I think you're still, you could still confidently start him the rest of the world. I would start that there's no way I'm not like getting rid of these gaps or both. I mean, that offense is just so point and honestly, I think they potentially help each other. Uh, because you get the rest, but it's a different style running. So the defenses are all balanced a little bit more. Yeah, I agree.
00:12:01
Speaker
Yeah. A couple of other ones, I just want to keep calling out. So the Derek car, I hope, like I don't want anyone hurt, but I hope for some reason, Jamis gets to keep playing because I am a recently new Olave owner and
00:12:18
Speaker
This the difference between before and after car getting hurt and I am playing was Insane I think their car got hurt on the first catch that a lot they caught so a lot of it had no points the whole game Makes this catch car goes down and then a lot of a blows up for a month his best game of the year because James just hyper target said he's making great and he would have a bigger game there's like a
00:12:39
Speaker
a, I think a legal shift or something. You were called back, yeah. Called back. It had nothing to do with the play at all. So I don't know what is going on with Cardinal Lave. And James just comes in out of nowhere and is feeding him. Make that work, car, or get out of the way, because feed a Lave. So that one's big. Damien Pierce, I'm always getting worried about Damien Pierce just losing his career at this point, too.
00:13:07
Speaker
He doesn't have Josh Capitol. He's looked bad and now Singletary's stepping up. So I think that he'll get another crack at it, but it's getting hairy there. Yeah, I think Pierce benefits from the fact that the team is better. You know, when they were, when they had less promise on offense, there was a little bit of concern from, from, from what I've heard on, on the ballers and you know, anecdotally in the articles and stuff, like he's pretty, you know,
00:13:35
Speaker
well-liked and respected in the locker room amongst the coaching staff. So if he's healthy, it's less likely that he'll just get completely superseded on the depth chart. But at the same time, you're right. He wasn't looking good before he got hurt. He had a lot of 10 zone carries that he wasn't converting to touchdown. So part of that's because they're offensive line stinks. But I'm certainly
Game Highlights: Lions vs. Chargers
00:13:57
Speaker
not looking to acquire him at this point. The draft capital. Absolutely.
00:14:02
Speaker
And Derek Carr, my only thought there is just beyond Chris Alavi, who I also have shares of, and I completely agree with everything that you said, the Saints just look like a better team while James was at quarterback, right? Like, I don't know. It's more fun. Yeah, like. Yeah, I'm. We're not doing the awards this week, but if we weren't doing the awards this week, Derek Carr would be getting my You're Not That Guy award because it's shit list.
00:14:31
Speaker
He thinks he's not like he has a good offensive line, a decent offensive line. He's got skilled guys all over the field. And the Saints offense is just like completely hapless. And then he goes out and James Winston comes in there and throws nine interceptions and still manages to put up a couple of touchdowns and get them back in the game. So, you know, it's a clear indication that
00:14:59
Speaker
you know, he shouldn't be starting and it's actually a Derek car problem. Cause Jamis went out there and they just immediately started scoring points. The Jamis is one of my favorite players. Obviously fantasy, like everyone understands he does not care. He will throw a million pick sixes, which is great for fantasy. Cause then he has to throw more touchdowns, but also just like his personality could not match his gameplay more. And I love that. It's just like the most local goofy dude. Like he doesn't care. He's just out there trying to win it. He has like plenty of the physical traits you want. Oh man. He's the best.
00:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. He's really not bad, but he's just his judgment. I mean, I don't want him to coach my NFL team. I mean, a quarterback from my NFL team, but, uh, yeah, but it's just so much fun. Um, but yeah, moving on, uh, to some other items, uh, talking about an actual quarterback, I wish was on my team is CJ Stroud. Just like,
00:15:53
Speaker
We, I feel like every week we keep talking about him, but he just keeps him amazing. Like he had another game winning drive this time against a team that many people thought were super bowl contender after a lot, two weeks ago, the bangles. Uh, and he's elevating every player around him. He didn't have Nico Collins who was like blowing up the front half of the year. Noah Brown, who was, I think on the Cowboys is like the wide receiver three or four, like even last year, I think it was.
00:16:19
Speaker
He's going bonkers. I think this is what is like second or third game without like 130 yards or something. It's like going crazy. He had a, and then it allowed finally for Singletary to get off because they're just aerating the offensive. You don't know how to stop this guy. So I'm like running out of words. Like he is a stud. Like he's already, I think he's starting to get MVP votes. Like people are literally starting to say, can a rookie win the MVP? It's crazy.
00:16:44
Speaker
Yeah, because quite frankly, I mean, like you said, he's like, it's, he's having a profound effect on the entire team. It's not a great roster. They have first year head coach. They don't have a ton of, I mean, they have, like you said, no Brown and tank Dell rookie and, you know, Devin Singletary, uh, you know, veteran change of pace back and cast away from the bills. Yeah. The defense isn't great. Um, but you know, like it's easy to play hard and, you know, I think that.
00:17:14
Speaker
effort is like half of the handicap when it comes to NFL guys and like how much effort these guys are going to put forth and like they they're all they're all trying like they're all putting forth a really really strong effort they believe they can win because they have a good quarterback so pretty cool yeah it's awesome to say you know who he's not awesome see max jones or sack jones um hopefully it's the last we've seen of him uh i just want to say that for the sack jones nickname but they're on the buy
00:17:43
Speaker
I believe in.
AFC Playoff Standings and Team Analysis
00:17:44
Speaker
I hope he gets punted, because he's not as good as Joshua Dobbs, who I think we need to start talking about as a legit weekly fantasy starting option. He won again, and honestly, he's going to get JJ back at some point. He is now one of the reasons why I think Justin Jefferson is also willing to come back. Obviously, the Vikings don't think of a loss of games since JJ went out, but now
00:18:08
Speaker
They're making work. He also, if you're a Hawkinson owner, you love Dobbs. He apparently loves a hyper target for tight end. They were doing it when he was on the cards with Zach Hertz. Now he's dealing with Hawkinson, despite the beat that Hawkinson got. But yeah, I don't know. Josh Dobbs, who I, one of our league mates acquired, I laughed at, and man, he has become a great value, I think.
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I was just doing. As you were going through that, I was quickly looking at the league to see exactly what the trade was for Joshua. So basically free. Yeah.
00:18:47
Speaker
you know, there was a lot, honestly, Scott got a ton of ridicule for making that move. And I remember kind of saying, Hey, you know, like it's nobody really knows what the fuck's going to happen with these trades. And that was, that turned out to be one of the more savvy moves in the entire league this year. To be totally honest, like whether or not Dobbs is the starting quarterback for Minnesota next year. I mean, who the hell knows, right? Like right now they're about to be a,
00:19:11
Speaker
playoff team and he's not going anywhere so you know we'll be surprised i'll be surprised if they don't make the playoffs at this rate and if he's not the quarterback from minnesota he's i think he's earned the right to be a quarterback somewhere so he's gonna get paid yeah no that yeah that was a definitely real sneaky uh pickup there and one that like yeah that that's the cool thing about dynasty too is like you
00:19:38
Speaker
You have this knee-jerk reaction initially when trades happen, and you're often wrong. Because so much changes, and the values can complete shift. So that one turned out to be quite the win. But talk about his old team that he came from. Kyler Murray came back. And I know you've been patiently waiting for this. So Joe, why don't you give me your input of what you saw out of Kyler. Yeah, so I actually got to watch, because he was in the late game. And honestly, I thought he looked pretty good. I was happy.
00:20:05
Speaker
He was running around doing things. He led them on the two minute drill last drive to kick the game winning field goal. Part of it was scrambling, not to mention like he definitely looked a little bit rusty, right? Like and he's still definitely trying to get his timing down some of these new guys, but same time my man Trey McBride.
00:20:26
Speaker
Looking looks great. It was like the number one receiver in that game I mean that's not gonna be the number one receiver every game, but I I really love what I see and I was excited about Trey McBride because he was putting up good numbers before Kyler even got back so it's kind of like me maybe you know and yeah, he had a really big catch on that last drive down the stretch that was pretty awesome and
00:20:51
Speaker
Yeah, like what I see from the cards, like what I see from Kyler. They're a frisky team, and they're definitely better than I thought they were going to be. Jonathan Gannon is a dweeb, but seems like maybe he's a decent NFL head coach. So yeah, they're a good team. They're not the worst team in the league. They're definitely now with Kyler back, they might win two or three more games. Which is great for the Giants, because
00:21:22
Speaker
That went alone, moved the Giants up. But we're not going to talk about the Giants because they stink. But we'll talk about a couple other games, one that I want to call it. The 49ers, they look fixed coming out of by. Purdy was very efficient. He threw for nearly 300 in three touchdowns. Kittle has his classic blow up games that you get very hard to predict. But when he has them, they count. CMC had a great day. He had actually about 17 plus points.
00:21:50
Speaker
but he saw his touchdown streak. Unfortunately come to an end, uh, despite them trying, I think they were, he was out of the game. They got on the colander, like one thing I
Fantasy Trade Proposals and Strategies
00:22:01
Speaker
thought was crazy. Cause I was playing against CMC in a couple of leagues and I was watching him. He scored like 17 points. And you know how,
00:22:08
Speaker
When you're watching your match ups, you're trying to see is this player going above or below the projections when they're your opponent. So you see the green red, he scored 70 points and it was below his projection. That is insane that he's being projected for like 18 plus. So it doesn't score a touchdown score 17. And that's a disappointment for CMC. What a, what a legend.
00:22:28
Speaker
No. And I'm sure he'll be right back on the touchdown train. He'll probably get four. He'll probably make up for it. And on the other side, Trevor Lawrence had a brutal day. I still love him. Thing's a great town. And I don't think the 49ers coming out of bye with a newly acquired Chase Young is a good barometer for like how good of a player you can be.
00:22:50
Speaker
annihilate it the whole day, but again, it's not looking great. And a part of it that is like, we touched upon a few weeks ago, the trend of Ridley is now like being an afterthought on an offense. It's happening far too frequently to ignore now. Kirk is still far away in the number one target. Ingram's still easily the number two. So I think we've really got to start adjusting your expectations. I know we talked about this to really counter everything, but it hasn't changed.
00:23:17
Speaker
So I'd be, uh, I'd be concerned myself. I'm a Ridley owner, which I am in redraft, but dynasty more so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. If I, if I, if I take the, like the, the preseason banter that we had about Trevor Lawrence and put it to the side and just kind of like objectively.
00:23:39
Speaker
It feels like he's taken maybe like a half a step backwards this year. Like he was, he was better at the second half of last season than he's been most of this season. And that's with more options, like more weapons in the passing game this year, that's with like more familiarity against an NFL defense. And he's got the same coach and the same coordinator and the same offense, you know, like it's just that whole part of it, granted.
00:24:06
Speaker
Some of it is the touchdown variants and the touchdown luck, right? Like they're, they're not, they're a six and three team. Yeah. They're so great team. Right. So like, I think as much as I like, as much as I like, uh, I'm doing like a half a victory lap. I do, I do kind of feel like he's a little bit of a by low right now, especially in dynasty because the team is playing well ish.
00:24:34
Speaker
and they're winning and Travis Etienne has what, like eight touchdowns, nine touchdowns on the season in 11 weeks, 10 weeks. So if that variance flips back, you know, it's, it's, I don't think he's as bad as he's playing this year. I'm obviously an owner, but if in dynasty, I still view him in the top 10 quarterback still young. He's got all the talent in the world. And even when I watch it, it's,
00:25:03
Speaker
It doesn't look like he's taking a step back from a talent standpoint or even really like too much of decision making. He obviously throws some picks. He's gotten a lot of sacks. Some of that maybe isn't feeling the pressure or not, but he's also like not be protected as well as you'd like to see there. But last year, like he, the back of the year, he was winning games. They had it for, they were coming from behind. Like that was also why he dominated. Like he was throwing all the time. The run game was basically abandoned at that point. That's changed this year. The offensive philosophy has changed. So,
00:25:32
Speaker
He's taking a step back for sure for fantasy. I don't think there's any argument there, but I don't view it as like, there's a problem with Trevor Lord. So to your point, like I'm not personally buying a lot, but if you own him, I wouldn't be worried about him in the longterm. Again, Dynasty.
00:25:48
Speaker
It's a long game that you're playing there. But if you can acquire him for like a discount, I would a hundred percent be doing it because I do think the town's still there. And honestly, like you thought he got the number one receiver that levels up a lot of these quarterbacks. That was also why people were buying in as to him in the off season. I don't think really is that number one receiver. I think they're going to move. I personally think they're moving on from him at the off season and the off season and try to find someone else, maybe target T Higgins or someone else. But, um, yeah. And.
00:26:16
Speaker
religious has not been that guy. Another quarterback who is disappointing though, Lamar Jackson. Not because the offense is just like, well, the offense is moving. That's not disappointing. It's just the fantasy points you're not showing up. I don't even view Lamar Jackson and Trevor Lawrence as
00:26:35
Speaker
all that different from a fantasy perspective, right? Because if you have Lamar, you're probably feeling, and I can just look at Schluter's team right now to see if the last couple of games, he's been disappointing, right? Like, I mean, he had, we put up a 40 spot against Detroit, but before that, 9, 19. And then after that, 13, 10, 16. And I think those are all games, obviously, except for this past week when they got, you know, sniped in the last minute by Cleveland, that Baltimore is winning a lot of people.
00:27:05
Speaker
I was just saying, they destroyed the Browns and it lost. I don't, it didn't make any sense. Their play, their team is great. And obviously there's a lot of, uh, a lot of that is due to the ground game. He's running. He's not, he's not not running.
00:27:22
Speaker
So, you know, like I just think that he's in a similar situation as Lawrence right now where team doesn't need him to throw that much. They're still winning games. So he's not throwing that much. Yeah. Or downfield is a lot of shorter throws too. And the rush, the running game has been getting a lot of touchdowns like the running backs. Yeah. Yeah. Just hang on both of them. Yeah. Hang on. There'd be better days ahead.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, and on a more positive note, a game that had tons of fantasy points, the Lions Chargers game was like fantasy galore. Obviously the Lions ended up winning that thriller. Gibbs looked great. He got some goal line work. Monty didn't get everything. And I think there's differences, opinions, potentially. Some people out there, Monty did get some goal line, unless he got stopped in the goal line, but he also got a 75-yard. It's funny, go ahead. He got the 75-yard touchdown run and Gibbs got the goal line touchdown, not what you would have expected.
00:28:15
Speaker
And Amaron say Brown dominant. Amaron's like a top four wide receiver or like top five. He's elite. The guy's just one eight for 156 in the touchdown. And then the other side, Herbert went nuts for three 23 and four with one interception. Most of that going to Keenan Allen who went 11 for 175 and two. Eckler was solid. It wasn't elite, but very solid. Guidance is looking a little interesting. And QJ had an okay stat line. They had a touchdown. I'm personally still think he's not going to
00:28:44
Speaker
be the answer there, but that was a fun game to watch. I don't know if you got to see any of that because I think that was in the four o'clock slate.
00:28:58
Speaker
Burying opinions on the Gibbs and Monty situation because obviously like we're in a bunch of leagues and you know, like some leagues I I took scooped up the value of Monty later in drafts and in other leagues I actually drafted Gibbs early and so, you know like it's tough but at this point right like for better for worse the Monty injuries have kind of Given Gibbs the opportunity to earn a true kind of times timeshare going forward if if Monty never gets hurt and
00:29:26
Speaker
then maybe we're still in a situation where it's like earlier in the season where it's like a 60 40 65 35 situation where, you know, Gibbs is getting a little involved in the passing game, not getting to but but at this point, it's, it's going to be 50 50 with them. And they're both going to be startable assets going forward. I think I probably with a gun to my head,
00:29:50
Speaker
If I had to water bet more fantasy points the rest of the way, I'd probably lean towards Monty because I think that he's more likely to get the goal line carries moving forward. And I think Gibbs will be a little more hit or miss depending on game script and passing volume and the like. Yeah, I agree. I think Monty will get more of the work still overall. When it grinds it out, I think they're going to give to Monty.
00:30:18
Speaker
they still know he's like the bigger play threat but when they went to volume and like beat down the on the defense they're gonna go to monty i do think monty gets more goal line work this was his first game back but the when gibbs got the goal line work it was after he got him down there and i think that was a big thing that people kind of lose the context around it's like dang campbell wanted to reward the rookie you got us down there we're going to give you the look there uh obviously that didn't happen at all and it's good to see that
00:30:44
Speaker
He is given those opportunities if he makes a big play and gets in there, because he ripped off a huge run to get to the inside the five. But after that, later in the game, they didn't go to Gibbs again. They went to Monty. Monty Dean wasn't able to punch it in, but that's to me the more telling of the game script in future games. Yeah, I agree.
00:31:03
Speaker
I gotta just keep throwing out Sam Howell, did it again, I think he's the QB4 in our league, just howl, love him. Yeah, but the Seahawks actually won that game in OT. And honestly, most of the players had a decent game, Geno was pretty solid, three, six, nine, and two, finally kind of stepping up, DK was solid with seven for 98, Lockett showing up with eight for 92 and a touchdown.
00:31:28
Speaker
Walker so his stat line and or fantasy point looks like a solid day because he kind of saved his day on a One catch for a 64 yard touchdown, but other than that he was kind of inefficient I think you only have like 60 something yards in the ground for like 3.3 yards per rush But for the third straight game he played less naps in Charbonnet Charbonnet was getting a little bit more work as well this time around for a finish perspective still you don't want to start him yet, but I'm
00:31:57
Speaker
If I could cash out on the top five mentality people had on Walker earlier, and I'm personally trying to do that, again, I don't think Walker's going to be bad. But I do think, just from the snap percentage, of course, I think he had 19 rushes or something like that still. But I'm still a little weird. I think he's still a back end RB1, maybe an RB2 going far. But I don't know what your opinion on Walker is, Jeff. I mean, quite frankly, so much of it is going to be
00:32:26
Speaker
similar to the Gibbs and Monty situation where if Walker were to pull a Hammy right now and miss two or three weeks and Charbonnet were to have the opportunity to demonstrate, which he assuredly would because he's also great, I think that would be a tough blow to Walker owners. Conversely, if you're a Walker owner, you're thinking to yourself, well, if Charbonnet could pull a Sami too, and then I have a locked and loaded RB1 who's getting
00:32:55
Speaker
you know, 20 some carries and quite honestly, I think some of Walker's diminished production has been game script related. They got absolutely smacked last week. So it does not a huge surprise that when they were down early that he wasn't and against Baltimore in Baltimore, you know, like he also has a really tough playoff schedule, apparently. Yeah. So yeah, I,
00:33:25
Speaker
I don't hate the thought of, so I don't have Ken Walker or Zach Charbonnet anywhere in any league. And if I did have them, I think all that I would be thinking is I just have to hold onto this guy in case something happens to the other. Like each of them in isolation could be a league winner. I don't think at present that
00:33:52
Speaker
with the two of them out there, that one will emerge strong enough. Like it's just, it's not as explosive as an offense as Detroit. They're not scoring as many points. It's, you know, like the opportunity for points is just not the same as that Monzie Gibbs situation. Yeah, I think what, why I personally would be a little bit more concerned as the Walker owner with the injuries that if Sharpenay gets hurt, you know, Walker's getting out of the work and we've seen that and he is very productive.
00:34:22
Speaker
But when Charbonnet comes back, they're going to try to get them back in and get them more integrated in the offense. So Walker, if Charbonnet gets hurt, it's only going to benefit Walker for that exact time here. But going forward, it's not like Walker's going to run away with the job. They're going to forget about Charbonnet and not give them another chance. But Charbonnet, if Walker gets hurt and Charbonnet shows out and they really like to see Charbonnet,
00:34:46
Speaker
Then Walker's never getting that full time. He's losing part of that job for good until Charmaine gets hurt. That's the thing. Walker can't be like, oh, I ran away with the job now going on. He can only lose the job. He could have weeks here where he's better, but it won't be a going forward thing. He will always have that risk of if something happened to Walker, your value is immediately gone, like Charmaine is involved.
00:35:10
Speaker
But finish it out with the Monday night game, just talk about it, because there are some key things of note in there. It was the Bills and the Broncos. The Broncos somehow won. Russ is still getting it done with a high efficiency pass, like touchdown department, sudden getting all the touchdowns. And a lot of miraculous catches. He doesn't get a lot of yards, but makes like a crazy catch for touchdown seemingly every week. And Javante Williams is looking like potential top 12 running back right now. He's getting strong again, all the work, catching balls now. He looks fast. He looks strong.
00:35:40
Speaker
So that offense is somehow coming together. And the opposite side, the Bills offense is lost. They fired their offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey, replaced him with Joe Brady. Everyone was just dropping the ball, fumbling it. James Cook was the only really effective player. King Kade looked pretty solid, I guess, too. But the Bills are kind of a mess right now, which is tough because there's so many fantasy options there.
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah, you know, like it's just maybe I'll start with Denver because like maybe a little bit less complex there. I completely agree on Givante. I think this is kind of what we were. What we were more expecting to see earlier on in the season, there was some. There was a lot of camp hype that he was, you know, looking great and yada yada, but take some time to come back from the from the these
00:36:31
Speaker
uh, bad ACL tears. And quite frankly, uh, he was getting the volume all along and it just kind of seems like he's getting more of that burst back and just running better now. So he's got still gonna have a rushing touchdown, maybe on the whole season, I don't think. Uh, but he's got receiving touchdowns the last two weeks. So, uh, it's good to see that he's involved in the passing game, even though they have
00:36:55
Speaker
you know passing backs like julian mclaughlin and it's my jp ryan out there that are also getting passing down work it's not like he's not getting any of the passing down stuff um and and uh russell wilson looks good i mean he he he looks significantly better than he looked last year last year i think was an aberration right like the throw he made to courtland sutton
00:37:17
Speaker
with like the defender in his face coming in and on the sack, like to just like drop that ball right into the corner in the spot where Sutton can get it and keep, like it was, it was a great play. And I've been pretty impressed with Ross the last couple of weeks. So, you know, I think he's, I was worried earlier in the season that he would be benched. I don't think he's going to be benched at this point. And the Denver defense getting embarrassed early season.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah. They, I mean, like they've, they've had like, I don't know, something like eight to 10, eight, nine, 10. Like they were putting up numbers graphics during that Monday night game. The defense has been like pretty good the last couple of weeks. So yeah. And it's fun too. Cause Russ is like one of the things what's propping up his value. And people are saying he's like, he's
00:38:05
Speaker
He's getting a lot of touch, and it's not throwing for a lot of yards. But that's kind of always been Russ's thing. He has a very high touchdown percentage on his past attempts. He's always been like that. He's not a volume thrower. So obviously, he's not prime, Russ Wilson, that he had on Seahawks. But he's still a very, very useful quarterback. Yeah. And Buffalo?
00:38:28
Speaker
Look, I like Buffalo the rest of the way. I think that there were a lot of mistakes in this game. There was some bad turnover luck. There were at least two balls that were off hands that should have been caught that resulted in interceptions. There's a fumble in the beginning from James Cook.
00:38:53
Speaker
I think that they have a little bit of upside the rest of the way. I think they're like two to one right now. Plus 190 I've seen is the best number. And I actually put a decent amount on that for them to make the playoffs. I think that the change in, in offensive coordinator will kind of light a fire.
00:39:11
Speaker
I think that I don't think that their defensive problems are going to be resolved overnight because they have a number of playmakers that are just out for the season. So they're going to continue to give up points. I just think the offense is going to be good enough and competent enough to win a couple of shootouts and also produce for fantasy. And I think there are a couple
00:39:32
Speaker
Fugazi teams ahead of them in the standings in the AFC. So, and I even brought the AFC playoff standings off on a separate tabs so that I could kind of like substantiate this, right? So if anybody's looking for Buffalo two to one to make the playoffs, right? Buffalo is five and five right now. Las Vegas is five and five. I, I, I do not think Las Vegas is making the playoffs that story for Antonio appears former giant, but yeah.
00:39:59
Speaker
Directly above Buffalo, Indianapolis five and five. I don't I don't think Indianapolis is making the playoffs.
00:40:04
Speaker
Cincinnati, five and four Cincinnati. I do think we'll make the playoffs. Yes. Houston, five and four. Houston maybe has a chance, but I think that Buffalo is better than Houston. If I was just betting the two heads up at this current moment, I, my money would be on Buffalo above, above Houston, Cleveland six and three just lost a quarterback and Pittsburgh six and three, the biggest fugazi in the history of the NFL. They will always have a winning record.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah. I meant to bring up their schedule too. They get the Browns. Obviously they get the Browns this week. They're going to get another lucky win. Bengals, Cardinals, Pats, Colts, Bengals, Seahawks. They're making the playoffs. The Steelers are in the playoffs. You know they're going to get in. They're going to get enough wins.
00:40:53
Speaker
I would love to bet the no. And I actually looked at it too, because what I went to do was to parlay Pittsburgh no. Oh yes. And Pittsburgh no was like plus 100. So it's like they're six and three and they're still only like even odds to make the playoffs because it's just like a remarkable. It's a remarkable feat that they have such an incompetent offense and yet they're still, they're still six and three. That might be the worst six and three team that I've ever seen. They stink.
00:41:20
Speaker
Actually, I'll take that back. The defense is plays inspired. The defense literally wins them all of these games and they have incredible coaching. My Tom's never had a losing record. It's so hard to watch their offense play football and maybe that's how people felt watching the Giants last year. It's sincerely possible.
00:41:44
Speaker
Yeah. I don't like watching the stillers, but yeah, they, they win. The giants are just bad and don't also everything you say, how much better is the AFC? So bad. Yeah, it's really, it's remarkable. And yet I think that the NFC is going to produce the Superbowl winner. I think that it's high end play teams in the NFC are very good, but yeah. Yeah. Top to bottom. It's a pretty, pretty trash conference.
00:42:11
Speaker
Well, with that though, gonna move into our next and new segment. So Jill, why don't you take it away?
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah, so Dave teased this earlier. We have a new segment on this week's episode, specifically tailored to our dynasty league, the NSFW dynasty league. Hopefully lead to some fun dialogue in the league chat, maybe even spark a trade or two, who knows. But the idea is that Dave and I both went into the NSFW trade machine and tried to come up with a handful of suggested trades that we think could make sense for various teams in the league.
00:42:46
Speaker
We did this at random it wasn't like oh you know we tried to come up with a trade for each individual team you know like sometimes it's it's actually not that easy to look at rosters and kind of say like what do you what do i think this person needs or wants and let me try and find a trade partner who is looking to
00:43:03
Speaker
Yeah. Fill that need while also, you know, so it's just, but the idea is to just kind of, for us to, you know, propose these trades to each other and give some logic as to why each side would do it or why we think each side would do it, why we think it makes sense. And then the other will say yes or no. And if the answer is no, then, you know, what, which side, you know, who's, who's, who's going to be the one to shoot it down? So we'll see, you know, and maybe we can, uh, maybe we'll get some feedback from you guys in the chat.
00:43:32
Speaker
You know, you like these suggestions, you're not like these suggestions. And, uh, you know, who would actually want to shoot this one? I would love to see actually, if any of these actually happen, they'll be like, yeah, that's not bad. And just literally just, just like put these together like in an hour before the show. So, you know, if you're offended by how we're valuing your guys versus other guys, save it. It's, we, we, we did use, uh, like some online trade analyzers to ballpark and it's just a matter of.
00:44:02
Speaker
Just, it's in the spirit of content, so. Exactly, and honestly, it may not be the direction you're trying to take your team anyway, but I do want to call out too, because you mentioned the trade calculator, analyzer, those are just like a guideline tool that we use, but also for anyone who listens and is in Dynasty, you cannot take trade calculators as gospel for values either, because they're not static, they're constantly changing, players' values are changing,
00:44:29
Speaker
If you did the same trade two weeks ago, the value is going to be vastly different. And that's what you're trying to get ahead of on that, is you're trying to find the value in your trade. So maybe you are selling so on, it looks like you're overpaying or you're not getting the right side. That may be the point in that one point in time, you're trying to be better in the future. So even if the trade doesn't say it's exactly fair or you're winning at that moment, it doesn't mean you're not going to be the winner at the end. And we kind of alluded to it earlier in the pod with the Joshua Dobbs.
00:44:57
Speaker
Trade I scoffed at it. I look I took a huge L from a Perspective there like that was a great trade Because like I can't predict the future and he turned out to be there so he that is the concept here But moving on I'll let Joe take it take it back here. Yeah, so I'm gonna jump in with first adjust the trade so the parties in this trade our team Adam Cohen and team Harry and Dan and my proposed offer is
00:45:26
Speaker
Harry and Dan, on the Watson News, decide to sell, finally commit to the sell for the rest of this season, and they trade Geno Smith and a 2024 third round pick to Team Adam for TyJ Spears. Now, why do I think that Team Adam does this?
00:45:48
Speaker
Adam seven and seven and three in first place in his division, but he's also starting Kenny Pickett as his QB two. And you just heard my thoughts a second ago and the Pittsburgh Steelers offense.
00:46:02
Speaker
They stick. They're extremely unreliable and there's been a couple games that he's put up scores this year randomly of 3.4, 2.9, and most recently this past week in a win against Green Bay, 6.6. So this gives out of an opportunity to upgrade at QB and make a bigger push for this year.
00:46:23
Speaker
He's got the depth at running back to shoulder losing a young RB and Spears. He's got Keaton Mitchell, who's kind of burst onto the scene. Travis Etienne, Aaron Jones, and Adam and, sorry, and Harry and Dan, who have a need at running back. Pick up a young running back in Taiji Spears, who's likely to be the starter next year for Tennessee.
00:46:52
Speaker
And honestly, and the limited opportunity he's gotten this year has looked really good. So that's my first. So what do you think? Do you, do you think, who do you think is the one that shoots this trade down? Um, I think, uh, I saw it first of all, I liked the trade. If I thought anyone would shoot it down, I think it would be Dan and Harry mainly because of.
00:47:12
Speaker
trying to trade with them. But in general, I like the trade because I think it makes, you did a great job of identifying a lot of needs here. And that's one thing I think when you're trying to structure a trade, even in your own team, like look at the other team and try to predict what you think they need, because it'll make the conversation go a little bit better. And that's where like, also, if you're trying to find value, if you can fill a need, you may be getting better value of the player there. But here, both teams are filling a need.
00:47:40
Speaker
Dan and Harry need a running back battery. It is gross their running back room. And it's tough because a lot of the running backs available in the trade market right now are older guys. And I do think they're better to start rebuilding than try to go for it this year. And Tajay Spears looks like he could be a top 20 back as soon as next year. And if something happened to Henry this year immediately, he's a young guy. Running backs don't have long shelf lives anyway, but he's got at least three years in him after this. So I think that's a good asset to go after.
00:48:10
Speaker
And Geno Smith is, he's taken a step back this year. He's older. I don't think he's the long-term answer there.
00:48:17
Speaker
But for this year, I think he is useful, and he has a great playoff schedule in half the year. So if you're a contender, targeting Geno Smith, and I have him in the trade later as well, is a great, great target if you're a contender right now. And throwing in the third just to even it out makes sense. It's not expensive, but I do think Taji Speer says a lot more long-term value than Geno. So I think this is a fair trade on both sides, and fits actually a pretty good need for both teams.
00:48:47
Speaker
Yeah. The one thing, the counterpoint or the one kind of area that I didn't really address, but I kind of had it as a thought was like trading Gino, not getting a quarterback back for team Harry. Dan does leave them in a situation where now they've got Bryce young and Zach Wilson too. And Deshaun Watson. And Deshaun Watson. That's true. I forgot about the show. So there's no reason. And again, I don't think Gino, Gino maybe has next year. I think they're going to like, he, I think he signed a three year contract technically.
00:49:17
Speaker
So next year will be year two, but I don't think they're going to want to rely on what is genome going to be at that point, like 37, 38? Yeah, it's pretty old already. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So why don't you give us your first trade machine output?
00:49:33
Speaker
Yeah, so my trade, this one is between Scott and Kanellos. So Scott has actually two 2024 seconds. So he'd be sending both of those 2024 seconds to Kanellos and he would be getting back Derek Carr, who I know you hate, Jamis Winston as well. So you're locking up the Saints QB room and Trailon Burks as well. And the overall motivation for this, and we've obviously talked about Scott like trying to get more
00:50:00
Speaker
quarterbacks and he's made moves and he had made the Kirk cousins trade, which looked great. And then just super unfortunate. Literally right after the trade, he goes down with the Achilles, but he had struggled with dogs and I still think he has a great roster. And even though his record right now is only four and six, he's not far out of the playoff hunt, actually. And he can put up points. He put up a third most in the league this past week. So he's got a lot of playmakers. If he could just get a QB two,
00:50:28
Speaker
It doesn't have to be like a high-end one, just a consistent QB2. And with the car, Winston, hopefully, honestly, you might hope it's Winston that you get to start there. But you're locking it up. So no matter what you have, you can start two quarterbacks every week between the Saints quarterback and Dobbs. But also, he doesn't have too many young wide receivers on his team.
00:50:49
Speaker
From Canals has a ton of young receivers, but a lot of those are going to be hard to come by. I think Burks is one that Canals probably willing to part with. If I had a guess, I think most Burks owners are probably of that mindset right now with the injuries and just can't get in the field. So you're taking an upside lotto shot. So yeah, you're getting the quarterback for now, but you're getting one upside shot that maybe doesn't pay off, but maybe does in Burks. What are your thoughts, Joe? I like it. So my thing with Burks is
00:51:19
Speaker
When he's on the field, he's been good. The problem is he hasn't really been able to stay on the field. Also, not for nothing, but Tennessee just doesn't really have the most dynamic passing attack. So part of it is the situation he's in. Part of it is the fact that he hasn't been able to stay healthy. I'm not personally giving up on him. So, you know, in that situation, I think this is not not not a terrible move.
00:51:45
Speaker
I don't know, I'm looking at Scott's draft pick situation for next year. He does have two thirds as well, so it's not like he wouldn't be drafting at all. You know, I might try to maybe retain one of those seconds and try to maybe send a second and a player for that, just to retain a pick in the first two rounds. But if I'm trying to say who says no there,
00:52:15
Speaker
I don't know that, I think it could get done. If I had to say who was gonna say no, I think Scott would say no before Canelo's would say no. I think Canelo's would be happy to move Carl Winston and Burks for the two seconds given he's in a rebuild. And it's just a matter of how much Scott values those seconds and how in on Burks he is. But you're right. I mean, the thing is his team can't compete this year. So you definitely don't wanna
00:52:44
Speaker
uh, definitely don't want to just toss that away when you got a chance. Yeah. And that's what makes the, uh, because I looked at the player and a pick as well. Cause I was thinking about that and he, he doesn't have too many young picks, which is what you'd want our players that you wanted to rebuild. Um, it's all the older, but they're all like very strong current year players too. So like, if you're going to go for it this year, you can't really lose those pieces. So that's kind of where I was like,
00:53:10
Speaker
He's kind of have to just go with the picks there, maybe. That's true. You're right. And in doing a quick look, there's not really anyone who fits the mold of who Kanellos would be looking for, given that Kanellos is in an aggressive rebuild. So yeah, it'd have to be the picks.
00:53:30
Speaker
All right. So moving on my next one, I'm going to toss out there is a one for one. And this one is a little, a little more simple, but, uh, I think that it actually strikes two needs. So in mine, team Rosinski trades, Jonathan Taylor to team Schluter.
00:53:49
Speaker
in exchange for Staphon Diggs. And essentially this one is pretty simple. It's a team or since he has way more depth at the running back position than. It's unbelievable. Yeah. It's very, yeah, it's just super impressive. And not to mention that they have Nick Chubb on the IR who is going to be coming back next year, right? Like obviously. And they traded away Henry I think too. Yeah.
00:54:17
Speaker
Yeah. So in this in this situation, right, they have the ability to trade Jonathan Taylor, who, again, is on the third year. And granted, he just got re-signed what he what he signed the three year deal with Indy. You know, he's got that's exactly what he's got two or three more years left in the tank. Right. But you're still you still have Mostert Gibbs Pollard, Eckler Chubb and on the depth chart at the running back position.
00:54:46
Speaker
And, uh, you grab Stefan Diggs who, uh, if there's anything, I think that, uh, anybody in the league knows it's that, uh, team or since he's been looking for a wide receiver, they need a true one. That's for sure. They finally get their wide receiver one. And, uh, for saluter, uh, I think that this enables him to continue to compete. He's got a little more depth at, uh,
00:55:14
Speaker
wide receiver, so I think he can afford to move digs, especially, right, like, slooters on the verge of competing this year, like five and five, and got some guys that we talked about underperforming, like Lamar Jackson, from a fantasy perspective. And the running back room is a little bit of a concern, right? Bryan Robinson, Gus Edwards, James Connor. So this is kind of an opportunity to
00:55:43
Speaker
Get out from under Diggs, who knows what the future is going to be beyond this year, right? Like, if Buffalo doesn't make the playoffs, and he's not on the team anymore, his brother's putting out on Twitter that he should get out of Buffalo. Grab a young running back. And obviously, there's still plenty of wide receiver depth on the team by way of A.J. Brown and Zae Flowers and Rashid Rice and others.
00:56:10
Speaker
That's my, uh, that's my next one. Who do you think, who do you think says no there? Yeah. So, I mean, I, I love this trade because you don't often get a trade that's just this simple. Um, and it, but it makes sense that I, I think both teams hesitate on this one now, uh, more so not because just human nature when you're dealing with players, this value of this level.
00:56:34
Speaker
You stop thinking about what you're acquiring sometimes. He's only focused on what you're losing. And I think that potentially can get in the way here, but in reality, I think this makes a ton of sense for both teams. And it's something that if I think both teams thought long enough about it, hopefully they would do something like this because to your point, it's like they are, they're literally starting a sitting a running back. That would be potentially most teams heartbeat one. Like they have so many running backs, so they can't even start them all.
00:57:02
Speaker
but they need that level up of a wide receiver one. And because they have a lot of like solid, you know, wide receivers, but no one who like is a game changer. And that's what they need to really get to the next level. And yeah, to Schluter's point, like he's got more depth at running a wide receiver, but very little at running back. And the Raziskis are definitely set up to like, they go for it this year and they have it. And this would really start putting them over the top.
00:57:28
Speaker
This also I still think makes in like digs. I think, uh, I think digs this year probably scores more points than Jonathan Taylor, but who knows what's going to happen in Buffalo. Like that's not a guarantee. Things kind of go off the rails, but I also think Jonathan Taylor prize, a little bit better, long-term value. Um, and schlitter, like it makes his team more competitive this year and he still could be going for it. Like I don't think he's a step, a huge step down. Like in a redraft, you might still take Jonathan Taylor over for digs.
00:57:58
Speaker
They're both elite. But going forward, I think it's also like, if you don't make it this year for Schluter, you're still OK going into next year, where digs may not be as valuable as Jonathan Taylor next year. So I think this is actually a great trade for both teams. And sometimes, simple is the best. That is great. Because I have some a little bit more complex trades later, so I'm happy to see some simple trades in here. Yeah, I mean, if it's me and I have to be stuff reflect,
00:58:27
Speaker
I think between the two of them, it's probably the Schluter side that turns it down based on the fact that it's hard to trade someone like Stefan Diggs who up until this past week had double digits every single week so far. I think he just made a big trade for Diggs like a couple weeks ago. So that's also a hard thing to do as well. Yeah.
00:58:47
Speaker
Not me, though. I'll flip people. Left and right. I don't care. All right. So Dave, moving on to your second trade machine output. All right. So this one is another way for the Resinskies, actually, to level up. They are, if you haven't picked up, they are one of the favorites, if not the favorite, to potentially take it all this year. But this one also gets them.
00:59:07
Speaker
a wide receiver one that they've been looking for, but also a couple other depth pieces that I think they potentially need. So the Brzezinskis would be trading. They have two firsts in 2025. So they'd be trading both 2025 firsts. And DeMaro Douglas, who is a rookie wide receiver, who's looking pretty good. The Pats aren't a great offense. They don't really know what the quarterback situation is going to be there. But you do like what you're seeing there. So it's like an upside shot at a young wide receiver.
00:59:34
Speaker
Harrison and Dan would be the trade partner, and they'd be trading Keaton Allen, who's dominating this year, Geno Smith, who we talked about earlier, and Daniel Bellinger, just for additional tie-down depth, just because they don't have a lot of depth there. I think they only have Ninjoku, and I forgot who they had, Ninjoku and Mike Mayer, or they're only real tie-down. So you kind of want a little bit more depth there, but they're also a quarterback. They're pretty good. They have Goff and Tua, which seems great to get Aiden O'Connell,
01:00:03
Speaker
whatever, but I already mentioned Gino Smith's playoff schedule is great. Uh, run through who, who Gino has, uh, so weeks 15, 16, 17 has got Philly who secondary has been terrible. Tennessee who you don't run on, you only throw on and the pits who you can also throw on as well. So those are, that's a great player schedule. The reason why I say this is as I mentioned, they get golf and they got to, uh, and to his playoff schedule is like terrifying.
01:00:33
Speaker
You got the Jets, whose past defense is elite. Then you got Dallas, who is just annihilating people. And then you got the Ravens, who are a very strong defense. And we haven't seen the Dolphins play well against any strong playoff teams, which the Dallas and the Ravens are. So it's hard to sit to a, but it's something where I was like, I may want to get another option for that playoff run if I'm not seeing what I like attitude there. So that gets you there.
01:01:01
Speaker
Keenown is the wide receiver one. He's like a top five wide receiver this year. It gets them over to the top there. So who do you think says no in this trade, Joe? Probably, probably the Racinski's not being willing to part with the two 2025 firsts. Because I think if I'm Harrison and Dan, although it kind of sucks to
01:01:24
Speaker
to acquire two first round picks and not be able to cash in on those two first round picks until 2025. Just kind of like banking those picks and then like trying to like build forward with the team between now and then. Like if you make any sort of momentum whatsoever between now and beginning or middle or end of next season, now you're suddenly like, now you've made progress with the team and you're picking twice in the first round 2025.
01:01:49
Speaker
depending on what happens with Ritsinski's team or I don't know who the sec, I don't know who's, who's other first. Does he have it? I think it might be Schluter's. It is the Wilkinsons. Wilkinsons. Okay. So those are both good teams. Those are most likely to be too late. First time in 2025, but still right. So I think
01:02:12
Speaker
I think the Racinski side is the likely side to say no, but that's not to say that it's not a, an even move. And, you know, like Harry and Dan might say, nah, fuck that. I don't want to trade Keenan and not be able to cash in on, on the profits until 2025. I want, I want some more immediate, right? Because they still have to put a product on the field next year and they're still going to pay an entry fee into the league next year. So that's possible. That's why I was thinking the two pay. And this is again, when, um,
01:02:42
Speaker
One of the things when I say trade calculator, this is not exactly fair, but this is also where if you're going forward a contender, sometimes you pay up a little bit more to get what you need to win your match-ups and win the league. So this is kind of an example of that. Yep. All right. So moving along, my third trade is involving Team Crop.
01:03:10
Speaker
Uh, team Clark, and I'm not just suggesting this trade because I have crooks first round picks. So, uh, so in this move, uh, I have crop trading, Justin Fields, uh, Calvin Ridley and a 2025 second round pick. So Fields Ridley and a 25 second to Clark sauce, uh, in exchange for Jordan Addison.
01:03:36
Speaker
and Will Leves. So my logic here is this is really, it really all depends on, you know, like how croak or, you know, insert any random fields owner fields, feels about fields right now, right? Because there's definite uncertainty there. Chicago is not a good team. They're going to have high picks. They're
01:04:01
Speaker
Likely gonna use one of those picks on a quarterback more than likely right? So like what is the future like for fields earlier this season? He didn't look good at all He definitely turned it around before the injury the past couple games Do you is this is this kind of cashing in on those those couple games that he looked pretty good even last year? It was kind of a tale of two seasons first half of the season. He was poor second half of the season He was phenomenal, but it was mostly running
01:04:25
Speaker
So, you know, I don't, you don't really know what the rest of the, what the future kind of looks like. Crope has two starting quarterbacks on his roster in Mayfield and love. Neither of them are losing their job this season. Um, so, you know, the uncertainty around fields, obviously there's some risk to trading him. Uh, but then in exchange, you're getting back a young dominant rookie wide receiver and Addison.
01:04:50
Speaker
And not to mention an additional quarterback in Will Leves, who's just won a starting job. And, you know, because he's not a Russian quarterback, and it generally, generally, I guess, like pocket passers tend to last in the league longer. But they're kind of like a little bit less valuable for fantasy, right? So it's like a Russian quarterback is going to burn brighter, but for a short period of time. I'm not saying that Will Leves looks good enough to that, that I think he's going to be a long-term starter in the NFL. I don't know. He's got good arm strength.
01:05:20
Speaker
Uh, he's making some pretty decent throws in his first couple of starts. Um, so it's kind of like, uh, swapping out fields for Levis and then significantly upgrading from Calvin Ridley, who's back end of his career, like definitely hot up there in age, no idea what kind of offense he's going to be on.
01:05:42
Speaker
obviously has lost a little bit of a step and replacing him with someone like Jordan Addison who's looked fantastic. Yeah, this one, it's definitely, it's fair. You kind of already alluded to it. It comes down to like your personal preference and views and the quarterbacks, I think.
01:06:02
Speaker
makes the trade, because I agree. I think Addison is a huge step up over Calvin Ridley, especially for Dynasty. I think even this year, potentially Addison is just better than Ridley, but going forward. 100%. There's no question about it. I would significantly rather have Addison the rest of this season than Ridley. Yes.
01:06:20
Speaker
He and like going for like he's he looks legit so then it comes down like how you value the difference between fields and lettuce and To your point like I think long term like fields. I don't know if he'll be with the Bears don't know if that means he doesn't have a job, but So like I think I'll be playing but again like he hasn't shown that he can win he more is a rushing I know that before the injury he was starting to get the passing down so like it was starting look good, but I
01:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's a fair trade. If I had a guess, I would assume Prote would probably balk at this trade a bit. More so, because do you see how much of a, what is really the difference, I guess, between fields and left? Because fields, I would assume, would score more points than Levis this year once fields is healthy. Again, that doesn't translate into long-term success in the NFL level in retaining a job, where Levis's job security seems a little bit safer.
01:07:14
Speaker
So then it comes down to like, how, how much do you want Addison? And, and that's really the difference there. Um, but yeah, I agree. I agree. I think, I think the crop side is again, like it kind of comes down to what you think about fields, but you know, in the two games before fields got hurt, he put up 35 and 43 fantasy points. He looked great. They look great out there as Connecticut's Washington. And, uh, you know, I think if you're team Clark, this is a good opportunity to
01:07:44
Speaker
you know, potentially try to go after, uh, like a quarterback duo of burrow and fields. Um, and you know, at the end of the day, right? Like you're trading Addison, but he's got, Clark has, uh, the Rapasotti first round pick.
01:08:01
Speaker
They have a lot of capital. Yeah. Yeah. Like if that's a mid round middle of the middle first, then you can just, you know, more likely you're going to be able to replace that wide receiver depth. So it allows them to keep competing this year and still have draft capital that isn't their own, which is always nice where you can try to win and you still can get a high draft pick. So that's always kind of nice having other people's first. Yep.
01:08:23
Speaker
All right, Dave, so take us home. You have one more. Yeah, so I build each trade. I got it more complex than the next. So this one's a doozy. So this one is Mike Kaffir and Mike Williams trading with Clark Sauce as well. So Mike Kaffir and Mike Williams will be trading Marvin Mims, Jacobi Myers, Chris Godwin, a 2024 first, and Joey's 2024 third, which should be an early 2024 third round. Basically a second.
01:08:52
Speaker
It's basically a second. It'll be a top four pick in the third round. And then Clark Sauce would be trading Kenneth Walker, Deebo Samuel, Tyler Lockett, and Dalton Schultz. So overall reason for this trade is I think the Caffer Williams team is a pretty strong team, but I think they could use a bit more juice when it comes to their flex and wide receiver room a little bit more. And running backs on like two,
01:09:20
Speaker
too exciting. They had Zach Moss. The only year is kind of falling off. So they needed to fill that hole. So getting Kenneth Walker, who I mentioned, I'm not super excited about, but I do think still at worst is going to be a higher end RB2. So I think it's an upgrade for them and he's young. So it's not like he's going to lose his job or won't be valuable at least for the next couple of years. Debo Samuel and Tyler Lockett are solid wide receivers, but upside they're not, I love Tyler Lockett myself. I'm not the biggest Debo guy, but I do think he's a big upgrade for the current year over Marvin Nims and
01:09:51
Speaker
And honestly, even Godwin, who hasn't really been that great this year. And they've lost a lot of tight ends to injury this year. They still have Dolman Kincaid, which is great, but he's got a week 13 bye. And honestly, right now, they don't have, I think, any other healthy tight end to start that week. They had Waller, they had Knox.
01:10:12
Speaker
So they kind of need to get a tie down for that. And Schultz's look really good and couldn't even be someone they flexed out. So it gives them a lot more depth because this is also what's going to happen to playoffs. You're not going to want to just rely on just your starting lineup. You're going to need to mix and match a couple of players, depending on the matchup, especially we have three flexes in our lineup in our starting league. So you want that diversity there. So I think this gives them some additional upside, but additional flexibility as well.
01:10:41
Speaker
So I think personally it's probably the Clark side that turns this one down because
01:10:49
Speaker
There's uncertainty in, uh, the 2024 first round pick, right? Like it's, it's obviously a like good solid draft capital. And you have, there's a little bit of, I think there's a little bit of uncertainty with Marvin mittens, right? Like has looked great and has definitely like, looked like he'll develop into a solid wide receiver one or two and in the Denver offense in the future, especially because Denver's wide receivers, Judy and Sutton are.
01:11:17
Speaker
have like a foot out the door already, right? So the sucks are definitely going out, pointing up on Mims. But again, there's still like a little bit of uncertainty there. To Kobe Myers, I just traded and partially why I traded to Kobe Myers is because he had a couple of years in the league prior to this season where his performance was not as strong as it's been early this year. So it's kind of like maybe try and capitalize on some of his early struck earlier this year, strong performance. And like I said, Godwin hasn't really been great this year.
01:11:47
Speaker
So you're kind of like, if I'm Clark, I'm looking at it like, I'm giving up Ken Walker and Deebo who are probably the two best players and surest things in the deal. And I'm not really getting enough of like a sure thing back. Granted, a first is very solid. I probably would want to swap out one of those three receivers for somebody who I think is like slightly more on the level of Ken Walker or Deebo.
01:12:13
Speaker
And then that would be more attractive for me to make that move. That's kind of how I would view it. And honestly, looking at Mike's team, let me see if I could throw a name in there. Let's see who we got here. Great content here. Let me just look at it. Yeah, so I mean, as you're looking through that, the way I was. Maybe DJ more. That could be worth a shot.
01:12:40
Speaker
I feel like if you do that, you take out both Myers and Godwin because I thought about DJ Morber. I felt like that might be too pricey after just a bit more. I would agree. I think that if I'm Clark Mims, more the first and the third is more attractive to me than Myers and Godwin. So that might be able to get it done. Yeah.
01:13:05
Speaker
Oh, this right here is live negotiations for other people's teams. That's right. Um, one more. So I'm just going to throw this out there and I don't want to do a formal one on this, but I just, as we were looking through the teams, I had the thought of like, what if Scott were to trade McCaffrey? Like, what would that look like? Right? So like, let's just say for the sake of argument, I mean, we obviously know that like, as we've kind of said a couple of times, like he, Scott's team is.
01:13:34
Speaker
in contention for sure at four and six right now. But let's just say he wants to, like, let's just cash in the value on McCaffrey, right? Like McCaffrey's had maybe the best season of his career, one of the best seasons of his career. He's a little bit of an older guy, not exactly young, 27, I think, 28. I think this is his fifth year in the league, sixth year in the league. So, you know, maybe the thought is like, he's like, this is probably like the
01:14:03
Speaker
the highest value I'll ever get for McCaffrey. So I just, just a little bonus one out there. I want, I want to know who, who, what you would, which side you would take here. Scott trades McCaffrey and Cooper cup to team Mike Williams in exchange for I'm in Ross St. Brown and Jerome Ford.
Trading Top Players: Strategy and Value
01:14:23
Speaker
So the thought being, obviously it's like pretty brutal to give up. I'm in Ross St. Brown. It's also pretty brutal to give up McCaffrey. So if you want to start,
01:14:32
Speaker
a top 10 stud, you're going to probably have to give up a top 10 stud. So in this particular case, they're giving up. I'm in Ross, same Brown, but you know, like there, there's, there's a little bit of concern at the running back position for, uh, for this team, right? Barkley. Is he doing anything the rest of the season on that offense? Not much. Jerome Ford just lost his quarterback, but he'd be moving in this deal. He's young. He's probably going to get quite a bit of volume to be totally honest.
01:15:01
Speaker
So I mean, uh, and obviously they have, uh, Alvin Kamara. So I think that this might, might be the deal. And if it's me personally, like, and I'm, and I'm Scott, like maybe I'd rather just cash in my chips on McCaffery and cup and move forward with the sun God and move it on in the future. So which side do you think says no here? So I.
01:15:26
Speaker
Personally, I had lean Scott actually potentially passing on it because I feel like if you opened up CMC on the trademark, you could get more per like with cup, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. A combination of two, I think you could get more. Um, I, but I love the idea like CMC for Amara cause like Amara was very tough to give up, but CMC is like also very, very, like even if you're not
01:15:53
Speaker
Like even if you're teetering on like selling cash in there, like it's just so hard to give up CMC. Cause like he's still, like I don't view him on the same trajectory or path that like other running backs go in. Like I think he'll last a little bit longer. Yeah, he's 27, but I still think he's got like another like two, three great years in them. So I would, if it was CMC for Omron and then like maybe smaller pieces, it gets on, but I don't think Jerome Ford
01:16:22
Speaker
mashes enough to get the cup piece in there. But I also understand from the Amaran, that's where you're giving up a very young, someone who's going to be elite for years and a long career. They're tough ones to play, but I think it makes sense doing a trade like that from the William side. Maybe they throw in one other young pick or something. If you're going to rebuild, you want one other. Because Amaran would get you there. Is Ford, if you're rebuilding? I don't know if that's someone I really want, because Ford doesn't have a locked
01:16:51
Speaker
It's not a guarantee. He's like a future back nature. So I think that's like the piece. I would want something other than Ford to really make that get done. But in general, I think that's what happened. Like originally, I was thinking about like a tight end or, but maybe it's a pick, right? Like maybe it's a, maybe it's a, uh, I mean, realistically, right? If you're Scott and you're actually going to trade McCaffrey and cops.
01:17:11
Speaker
That's probably, you probably start out by offering McCaffrey a cup for Ram and Rana first. First, exactly. Yeah, I think something like that can get it done. And then you kind of negotiate from there, right? Like, uh, but yeah, just, this was fun exercise. I mean, honestly, like this was, came up with these in like, like you said, like an hour or two hours before the podcast, but you know, who looked at the teams and, you know, if I honed in on one individual team or two individual teams could probably come up with a bunch of these. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you guys think, uh,
01:17:41
Speaker
if you have thoughts on the trades that pertain to your team. And if your team didn't have any trades pertaining to you, like David, we tried not to include our own teams. Yeah. Wilkinson's have made a number of trades already. So yeah, I mean, we can- Some teams are tapped out of resources. Yeah, we can give it another shot down the road, maybe. Yeah.
01:18:07
Speaker
That was an awesome exercise and also we can we're gonna quickly give you two real trades that actually just happened just to run through both by our man here Joey Some with some of the teams that we mentioned before so first one that actually went down and it as a message trade headlines coming on I hope your League is having cluster trades going on. We're certainly having them
01:18:27
Speaker
But the first one we had was Joey traded away Russell Wilson, Jacobi Myers, and a 2024 third, which we alluded to in a lot of the trades earlier. And he got back Michael Pittman and a 2024 fourth. Overall, I think it's a fair deal. I think he accomplished a lot. But Joe, I know you were involved. So if you have any thoughts on this on the straight or your point of view.
01:18:52
Speaker
Yeah. So honestly, the logic here is just Kyler's back. He looks pretty good and, you know, uh, injury notwithstanding, hoping that he's, uh, going to be quarterback for the team on it to the future. Ross is on the older side. He's still producing at this point. I still think he's going to produce in the league for a couple more years. I think he's on the edge of retirement, but, uh, given that I'm not going for it in the near term and I'm likely to have a high pick in next year's draft.
01:19:18
Speaker
Uh, the thought was move Russ and Myers, who I mentioned earlier, he could continue to produce the way he is. And that's just the chance you got to take, right? Like he's been really, really strong early this year. Uh, thought was, let me try and get a, get an upgrade at wide receiver. And, uh, you know, hopefully I'll be able to backfill Russ's position in the, uh, in the rookie draft next year. Yeah. And I liked the acquisition equipment who was like,
01:19:45
Speaker
I think like a top 15 wide receiver in dynasty. So that was a great get. But you weren't done there. Only less than an hour, I think, later. You made another trade. You traded away Mike Evans and Romeo Dobbs to the Wilkinson brothers and got back Croops 2024 first. He's got a very strong team, but he's currently sitting at sixth place at five and five. So depending on what happens from a luck perspective, this could end up actually being a top six pick.
01:20:12
Speaker
Or it ends at, who knows, he could go in a round one at all and it's the 12th overall pick. It's a risk you take, but you at least have a better chance than the Wilkinson's brother's pick, I think was the mentality, but elaborate further. Yeah, that was definitely the logic. There were a couple of other trades that were discussed for Evans and different receivers on my team in exchange for the Wilkinsons first, ultimately ended up trading
01:20:43
Speaker
Dobbs in addition to Evans in order to get croaks first and again croaks got a strong team. I've actually been A big fan of croaks team in the power rankings from the very very beginning but You know the the Jalen hurts and Josh Allen quarterback duo is very formidable and I think that that can make up for a lot of other
01:21:12
Speaker
lineup holes that the Wilkinson Bros team has. And not to mention, like we said, they're actually making some moves now and filling those holes. So the more moves that they make, the more of those holes they fill, the stronger their team gets. So obviously picking up Mike Evans is great for them. So, you know, I think for me personally, you know,
01:21:36
Speaker
Again, in a rebuild and I just picked up a young wide receiver and Pittman obviously have two other young wide receivers and Chase and Metcalf. So this was an opportunity to cash in a little bit on Mike Evans. He's on the older side, Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs has looked okay, but their offense doesn't have a competent quarterback. And he's also got competition with, you know, four other mediocre guys for targets. So.
01:22:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, this is a quintessential selling out trade and just go for
Trade Deadline Anticipation and Weekly Scores
01:22:13
Speaker
the report. That's what you see this time of year, though. It's awesome. I'm loving it. I can't wait to see what we see over the next. I think our trade deadline is the end of next week, week 12. So can't wait to see what else we got coming up. Before we move on, I want to give a quick update on the high and low score.
01:22:31
Speaker
high score this past week was actually Kanellos with 172.88 points not enough to take the highway from the cat for my cat for Mike Williams from week seven and the low was actually Adam Cohen and cats
01:22:45
Speaker
At 90.68, we are running out of time for that score to be taken away. We have four weeks left. And with that, I might be in contention for it these days. If I keep making trades, we'll see. I don't know, man. It is such a low score. It's hard. You already didn't have a quarterback one week and you didn't. It's a low score, but I'm currently flexing.
01:23:13
Speaker
Rashad Bateman, Xavier Gibson, and Khalil Shakir. So we'll see. I mean, I'm going to need Chase. Oh, I have miles to say. This is the week, honestly. If there's a week where anybody gets the low score, I'm putting it out there right now. Take a look at my squad this week with Pittman on by, with Bijon on by. This is going to be the week. I'm going to need you, Mark Chase. I hope so, because I get you this week. Yeah. I'm very excited. That's what I'm saying.
01:23:42
Speaker
I see very icy. I am hoping so. Cause I am now miraculously. I am. I know people have been looking at the power rankings and I've been low. I am number two overall on the standings, top of my division, all the haters, fuck them. Fuck all the haters, man. I am dominating. I'm taking it back. We've been with Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence. I didn't have a Chan. I didn't have Monty forever. They're back. My team's getting stronger.
01:24:09
Speaker
Um, it's great. I can't wait to see next week, uh, on the pop, we're going to start giving a little preview where we think the visions are going to end, but I'm taking my division. I'm doing it. Um, but before, I mean, it's amazing how it works. It really has been pretty much all on the back of lamb, Hockinson and, uh, Sam Howell, just how I drew it up, man.
Upcoming NFL Games and Closing Remarks
01:24:30
Speaker
Uh, but before we close it out, any closing thoughts, uh, for the upcoming week at all, Jeff?
01:24:39
Speaker
Now, if anybody wants action on me breaking the low score this week, I'll give you one-to-one odds on me setting the low score, because I think this is the week that it happens. Well, we'll keep an eye on it. Also want to say we are now Panthers fans here on this pod, as we want them to win some games to help the Giants trap pick out. But they're probably the Cowboys this week, so probably not going to happen.
01:25:07
Speaker
I also want to say we finally got a good Thursday night game and Monday night game. We got our Ravens Bengals tomorrow night and Monday night is Chiefs and Eagles, which should be a really fun game.
01:25:17
Speaker
I know. Finally some high scoring games. Hopefully they don't disappoint because Monday night is stunk. But with that, I want to thank everyone again for listening to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. And good luck with your match ups and on the trade deadline. Enjoy. Take care, guys.
01:25:53
Speaker
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