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OPE Season 3 Episode 4 Roster Roulette: Predicting the Packers' 53
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! With the final preseason game having been played, we predict the final 53-man roster! Find out who we think survives the final cut!
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Introduction and Joe's Green Bay Journey
00:00:32
Mike __kawanomike_
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Hana Packers Edition podcast. The podcast where Iowa Joe has found his way to Green Bay and I am trying not to get blown away or drowned out by a tropical storm system. It's just another normal episode for us. Joe, how's Green Bay treating you so far?
00:00:51
iowa_joe
Actually, it's been pretty good. My legs are tired, my back hurts. I'm tired. So I think that's pretty, I got my cheesesteak rebellion in for today. um Sponsor us, shout out.
00:01:08
iowa_joe
um They were jam-packed, man. This is kind of a tangent, but they were jam-packed. I went to go over there about noonish to get something to eat, because last year when I went, you had a handful of people in there But there was no place to park.
00:01:25
iowa_joe
there you there was It was just jam packed. So I was like, all right, I'll come back later. I'll just i'll wait until like 3 o'clock, and I'll come back. Got back at 3 o'clock.
00:01:32
Mike __kawanomike_
hahahaha
00:01:33
iowa_joe
There was still no fucking place to park. It was still jam packed.
00:01:39
iowa_joe
But it's great food. Like I said, I got my breakfast. I got my lunch. I got my dinner. So while I kind of reversed that. I had my lunch and or my dinner, and then I'll have my breakfast, and then I'll have my lunch. so
00:01:52
iowa_joe
But other than that, it's been great. I've I met up with friend of show Sanjay at a little card show that they were having at the distillery. So we hung out for a little bit. I've been trying to coordinate meeting up with some other people, Matt Ramage, some bitch um and and some other guys that I know up here, including Brian Rago and and Aaron Davis, fellow oak people.
Packers' Preseason and Coaching Changes
00:02:20
iowa_joe
So There's still a ton of time to go and and and we'll get her figured out.
00:02:26
Mike __kawanomike_
Right on. Yep. So Joe, so the Packers played their third preseason game. It was almost a reversal of the Denver game where green the Packers had the good practice in the joint practice heading up to the game and then played a lot better than their opponent, the Ravens, who usually are a good ah preseason team.
00:02:48
Mike __kawanomike_
um and i say I say that under the guise of, they do well in the preseason and still have regular season success despite the fact that they win in the preseason.
00:02:58
Mike __kawanomike_
So it's more indicative of the talent on their roster as opposed to like, ooh, who are actually good players kind of thing. So um good it was a good showing for, yeah.
00:03:06
iowa_joe
And it really makes you, I was just going to say it makes you wonder about the coaching since they've lost so many coaches off staff ah because
00:03:16
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, I mean a big one is losing McDonald because yeah, he just left there there their coordinator for the last ah two seasons. He just left to take the the Seahawks job and yeah.
00:03:27
Mike __kawanomike_
the har John Harbaugh, he usually does seem to find good um assistance and and all, but that those kind of losses when you just keep, you know, you basically keep hemorrhaging them year after year after year, they do catch up to you at some point. And so it could be, Joe, you know, it kind of may just be one of those, we'll see where the cards lie for a year and how they're able to kind of bandage it over until they really find their long-term solution for that. but Luckily, Green Bay doesn't seem to have that problem.
53-Man Roster Projections
00:03:59
Mike __kawanomike_
Their new defensive coordinator put out a unit that took the ball away a few times and scored on one of them, so that was exciting. um I know you got into town after the game, yeah, but...
00:04:09
iowa_joe
Well, it goes, yeah, well, I was just gonna say it goes to show that when you put talent level versus talent level, how things go, not having the number ones from one team face off against your number threes and fours on another team. So this gives you a little bit more hope with some of these guys that they're able to rebound from a shit game to did pretty much dominate a a third game so I mean this should put a lot of the Denver crap to bed because it showed that okay well yeah they they were playing alright it's just the number ones were out there far too long for Denver which it looked like they did again today too and they ended up scoring a shit ton of points so
00:04:56
Mike __kawanomike_
yes yeah yeah um a lot of guys got their chances yesterday um so we're gonna kind of dovetail that into our um what the big item on our to-do list today is and that's our 53 man roster projections the Packers really the league I should say all um Roster cuts are due at 4 p.m.
00:05:24
Mike __kawanomike_
Eastern Standard time on Tuesday or today I guess the time that on this part will be releasing so Joe just lead into it take it away.
00:05:35
Mike __kawanomike_
What's your you know, how do you want to do this? I guess if we didn't we didn't talk about how we wanted to go down this
00:05:38
iowa_joe
Yeah, we didn't really talk about it. I i think we just go down the list. bre I mean, wellll position by position, because I have a feeling the way it looks right now, we're going to have some differing opinions a little bit here.
00:05:43
Mike __kawanomike_
Wanna just go position by position and rattle them off? Alright.
00:05:53
iowa_joe
So I'll go ahead and go first, because this one is going to be my our first differing opinion.
00:05:57
Mike __kawanomike_
Yep. Yep.
00:06:03
iowa_joe
I had right off the bat.
00:06:03
Mike __kawanomike_
Right off the bat.
00:06:05
iowa_joe
I had Jordan Love, obviously, and then I put Sean Clifford. with Pratt on practice squad. My reasoning is for that is I think it might be a little easier to sneak Pratt onto the practice squad, giving that he's, you know, what, a seventh round rookie, even though he had hype coming out of school and into the draft that he could possibly do this, this, or this. I think it might be easier with kind of the slow, so even though he played a little bit better with the slow,
00:06:38
iowa_joe
play that he really had that he might be able to sneak on the practice quite a little bit better. Clifford's had a year in the system. Clifford knows a little bit more to it. This would allow Pratt to, you know, learn more, study more, and then by all means next year, he could, unless he's picked up by another team, could fully just take the the backup position from Clifford. Or it could happen later on in in this season. I don't know, it just, it just seemed,
00:07:08
iowa_joe
to me that it would be easier to put to to sneak Pratt through than it would Clifford.
00:07:15
Mike __kawanomike_
Basically, I just went the opposite way. We both had two quarterbacks, but I went the route that um Pratt has more upside and therefore another team might be more enticed to try and pull them away if the Packers if the Packers were to um cut him to try to get him onto the practice squad. So um that's why I had Pratt kept. And you know it'd be one thing if Clifford had shown some ability to you know not necessarily take the ball and run with it if anything happened to Jordan. But the fact that he just looked so up and down running the offense, even against, as you kind of mentioned, um equivalent talent on the field around him,
00:07:58
Mike __kawanomike_
um i thought that that kind of just kind of shows like he is what he is um and yeah it would hurt in the sense that you would have less experience behind love if um some other team claimed him but at the same time that i think that just shows what i think of cliford is it's like i i just don't think there's much upside there i think he is what he is and you can I think you can coach someone up to learn the playbook if um the worst were to happen. So yeah, that's where I'm kind of at on that one. um Running backs, how who did you give and how many did you run with?
00:08:44
iowa_joe
i ah This one is one of the ones that I really toiled back and forth with. ah i
00:08:54
iowa_joe
My two locks for sure is obviously Josh Jacobs and then my other lock is Emmanuel Wilson. I flip-flopped with A.J. Dillon. It's not that big of a secret that I'm not a huge Dillon fan. He's a great guy, whatever.
00:09:12
iowa_joe
He was just never that big body running back that we were promised when he was drafted.
00:09:18
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:09:18
iowa_joe
And I do have him on my list as the third running back, but I can also see a spot where they put that McCreary on there because I thought that he ran very well in his limited snaps.
00:09:37
iowa_joe
And like I told Sanjay earlier, when we were kind of talking about it, I, there's a possibility that they could do like a player for player swap with AJ Dillon.
00:09:51
iowa_joe
And one of the things that another thing that kind of hurts him for ah for my 53 and you know no pun intended on this, but his injury.
00:10:03
iowa_joe
you know his Him being hurt hurts him for the roster because this is a repeat stinger in the same area or on the same side.
00:10:08
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:10:15
iowa_joe
And he's struggled to stay healthy for the most part Throughout his career. I think last year was as healthiest and he still missed a little bit of time with it and I Just I think they've given him enough chances. Yeah, he's a feel-good story. Yeah, he's You know a good guy the quote-unquote mayor of Door County, you know, blah blah blah has his gaming channel all all that good stuff I just don't and I think that's what people fall in love with more than them being a prominent member of the team as they just love the backstory.
Wide Receiver and Offensive Line Debates
00:10:50
iowa_joe
It's what we see every year with training camp is everybody falls in love with that camp darling. And then, oh yeah, they're keeping them on the team. They're keeping them on the team. And then they end up getting cut and they get pissed off about it. AJ Dillon is going to be in this similar situation. He's a, he's a, you know, the fan darling.
00:11:07
iowa_joe
and everything else. And I just, I don't think he, like I said, I think he could have a player for player. I do have the three of them listed on my 53, but he's the one that I really flip-flopped on a hundred different times.
00:11:24
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah so i have um i have the same three uh jacobs dylan wilson i do agree with you that if any of them if there's a like a deal if there's a um another you know a waiver claim that goes in for another running back Or if, like you said, if the front office and LeFlore is like, yeah, we'll just roll the dice on McCrary or Merriweather just to you know get someone who's healthy and or um you know has a little bit more upside in you know what we're looking for from a running back, I can see them going in that direction.
00:12:05
Mike __kawanomike_
i do have One note I will make is I do have Lloyd going on IR.
00:12:11
Mike __kawanomike_
I've seen like mixed report. Yeah, I've seen mixed reports, but I don't think he's one of the guys who came back to practice. I think it was actually, I know it was another guy I have listed on here who I had going to IR, so ah we'll we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
00:12:11
iowa_joe
And that's expected.
00:12:25
Mike __kawanomike_
but um
00:12:26
iowa_joe
And I want to clarify mine. I also agree that Lloyd's going to either end up on the practice, or not practice, but on PUP or injury, you know, the IR or something.
00:12:36
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, injured reserve. i I think he has to be IR because he didn't start on, and I don't think you can get added to pump midway through camp. So I think, yeah, yeah.
00:12:46
iowa_joe
Yeah, so it's whatever it is.
00:12:49
Mike __kawanomike_
I think you can only get added to either IR or NFI, and there I don't see any way they can argue his injury is a non-football injury. So, um yeah.
00:12:59
iowa_joe
Unless, because didn't he say he came in with an injury and it just kind of got worse?
00:13:03
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, and I I don't know the fine print of that so I'm not sure if like if he injured it, working out for camp kind of thing, if that you know allows him to kind of circumvent it that way or or whatnot. So I'm not totally certain how it works, but yeah, i it it would be either. And I believe he can be activated off of either. And just to kind of you know quickly go over the new IR rule. So teams have a total of eight guys over the course of the season that can be designated to return from injured reserve.
00:13:38
Mike __kawanomike_
And if a guy is put on injured reserve on the day of final cut down, so that would be today, the day this pot is getting released on Tuesday, August 26th or 27th can't count.
00:13:50
Mike __kawanomike_
um
00:13:51
iowa_joe
Numbers are hard.
00:13:52
Mike __kawanomike_
those yeah you can have two players who are designated ahead to be returned from injury those two designations are locked so you would only have six more that you could use on other players you would put on ir which i know it's like oh my god that's 25 of them but realistically If you're having to return six guys and thinking of a seventh and eighth one to return from IR, your season has gone kind of shitty from an injury standpoint. so
00:14:24
Mike __kawanomike_
And I'll be the first to jump up and down and say, you like, shit, they shouldn't have used one on Donovan Jennings or Marshawn Lloyd kind of thing. But at the same time, trying to be, you know, I don't even want to say glass half full.
00:14:35
Mike __kawanomike_
I think it's it's even more like you you shouldn't have. I don't want to say you shouldn't have, but if you need six guys that you're like, oh, my God, our season is contingent on those six guys.
00:14:47
Mike __kawanomike_
And oh, my God, there's a seventh one. It's like. Is your season really going that well? So, yeah.
00:14:53
iowa_joe
Well, not just that, but if the entries are serious enough that they're going on IR, there's a chance that most of them are coming back off IR.
00:15:02
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:15:03
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:03
iowa_joe
So, I mean, there's always you're always gonna have that, too, where, yeah, you're gonna have the random ones like, okay, well, Rogers broke his collarbone, and eight weeks later, he could come back.
00:15:15
iowa_joe
you You're gonna have that, but if a guy tears an ACL, he's not coming back, you're not going to...
00:15:15
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:15:21
iowa_joe
designate him to return. If he does, I want to know what kind of doctor he's going to because he can immediately fix my back and heartbeat.
00:15:23
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:31
Mike __kawanomike_
yep exactly so okay okay well we'll go there yeah so we'll go there
00:15:33
iowa_joe
Okay, so this one I'm going to say, do you have them separated? I have them combined as tied in full back. I have the slash mark in there, but yeah.
00:15:48
iowa_joe
um My, I mean, you got the obvious ones in Musgrave and Craft. I mean, they'd have to really have done, they'd had to like slap the floor or something for them to not be on the roster.
00:16:00
Mike __kawanomike_
I think he would like that. no It was a nice catch too.
00:16:02
iowa_joe
ah He probably would, but um then I have obviously, I can say this as, and I'm not even really a fan. It's just that we share the same last name, so I always root for this.
00:16:15
iowa_joe
I have Henry Pearson, but he did have, one catch for a decent game and he only yeah well i only got to listen so i didn't get to watch um so but they were they were kind of cheering it on and i think larry said that he only or he had one moment where he didn't put a good block but he he did put on some good blocks
00:16:25
Mike __kawanomike_
Like, for a fullback, it was... Oh yeah.
00:16:46
iowa_joe
before that so you know
00:16:47
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, I think and I i and i believe i i'm I remember the play you're referring to Larry talking
Defensive Roster Analysis
00:16:54
Mike __kawanomike_
about where it was more a matter of he didn't sustain the block than like he whiffed or anything like that.
00:17:00
Mike __kawanomike_
So that's that's one I can live with.
00:17:02
iowa_joe
No, I think the one Larry was more talking about was that he went down for like a chop block and he didn't nail them in the thigh pads.
00:17:08
Mike __kawanomike_
Hmm.
00:17:10
iowa_joe
He like.
00:17:10
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, so it, and I can live with that kind of stuff that's that's technique that's that's something they can coach up at all, like, it's a, it's a technique decision making but not like oh he just totally blocked the wrong guy or didn't know who he was supposed to block kind of thing.
00:17:12
iowa_joe
Yeah, so.
00:17:26
Mike __kawanomike_
Because all his run blocking and stuff, I was very happy with that.
00:17:27
iowa_joe
Yeah.
00:17:30
Mike __kawanomike_
um and And the catch, not to go so deep into it, but um i think he got you know I think he got some flowers thrown his way from Wayne and Larry because it was a pretty...
00:17:47
Mike __kawanomike_
like athletic catch for a tight end or even like a receiver because uh it was on that you know is that is that patented bootleg play that um Leflore always runs Pearson's running that under route coming um from the play action side to the play side and then um the quarterback had to hold it because the coverage like he was trying to wait to see if someone would uncover and then he had to hit Pearson late so Pearson had to like he kind of was he was about to straddle the sideline and then so he you know he caught it with his hands and got his feet down so it was one of those where I was like I didn't know you had that in your back pocket so that was pretty impressive and it's one of those where it's like if you're checking off boxes for things that Pearson needs to either show you he's improved that or hasn't done before that was definitely one that you're like I don't think we've seen him get the ball thrown to him at all
00:18:38
Mike __kawanomike_
And I was like, that was a pretty impressive play from him that, you know, to to kind of say like, all right, that club is in the bag too. So that only can help him.
00:18:46
iowa_joe
Not during the game, but I think they said that he he had some decent grabs during practice throughout training camp practices. So It's been there.
00:18:53
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:18:54
iowa_joe
He just hasn't been used in the game. And then my last one is I have I I kept four because like I said, I I combined them and I kept been Sims I I kind of had this with uh, uh
00:19:02
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:19:09
iowa_joe
kind of a bounce back with with Dusty, or not a bounce back, but, you know, we were kind of discussing this on on Twitter where he said he really liked Joel Wilson and, you know, that could he take a spot this year? Yes. But will he take a spot next year? Definitely. and i so And I said, do you really think that Wilson could take Sims a spot? And he said, yes.
00:19:37
iowa_joe
but next year and I'm kinda agreeing with that. The only problem I see is I see Wilson as a Musgrave light where they're built about the same.
00:19:49
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:19:50
iowa_joe
They play about the same. There's no real blocking to them. It's all
00:19:54
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:19:56
iowa_joe
ah stretch the field. I think Wilson will be back on the practice squad and maybe brought up if there's an injury and because he really did impress with some of the stuff that he did throughout the preseason.
00:20:02
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:20:10
iowa_joe
So I think there's a spot for him there. Maybe if he can learn to be what Henry Pearson is, he might have a better shot.
00:20:19
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah i was gonna say Yeah, I was gonna say that's his best spot is to be more of an H back full back type because like you said, he's only 240 listed, you know, he's listed 242 and Sims is that tradition, quote unquote traditional inline tight end type. So, you know, I agree with, Yeah, and of course Dusty is gonna be super excited about anyone who has, I you know, who creates was gonna say additional, and this is not a shot at Dusty. This is more like,
00:20:52
Mike __kawanomike_
louding where Dusty's brain comes from where he's like he's like yes yes more of the more of the fancy tools in the in the tool pocket kind of thing and stuff so I yeah absolutely but it is like you said it's more of a it's he's uh you put another year into him he becomes a better fullback hback option um who can also play the musgrave and do some of what musgrave and craft do
00:21:00
iowa_joe
But we all want to see that. We all want to see that.
00:21:17
Mike __kawanomike_
you know, to a light extent, as opposed to, you know, that being what he excels at. So I agree. I've got I've got the same for you've got um Sims is my Titan three.
00:21:28
Mike __kawanomike_
I've got Pearson just listed as a full back because that's how he's listed on the thing. I know you have the slash in yours. But um I think that and I Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:35
iowa_joe
That's because he was a tight end before converting to fullback with the Packers. So I see that role as kind of a mixture anymore because other than like the 49ers and there's one other team that has a tradition.
00:21:41
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:21:49
Mike __kawanomike_
the Ravens.
00:21:50
iowa_joe
Yeah, that has a traditional fullback. Everybody else treats him as a hybrid.
00:21:53
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yep. So that's what we got there.
00:21:57
iowa_joe
I'm going to let you start with wide receiver because this is one of the big ones that we're probably going to disagree on.
00:22:04
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay, so I have the top four as Watson, Dobbs, Reed, and Wix. ah They're pretty much locks.
00:22:11
iowa_joe
Nothing different there.
00:22:13
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, they, you know, Wix is the only one of those guys who has really played this preseason and he only played for like two or one snap. I mean, oh my god, why does he have a roster spot?
00:22:24
Mike __kawanomike_
But, and then,
00:22:26
iowa_joe
Well, let me go back to this, and we talked about this with Amr and Bernie. It's just really weird that they're not giving him time. I mean,
00:22:39
iowa_joe
I understand wanting to rest a lot of your guys, but you would think beings that he didn't get a lot of playing time last year because of injuries in that. And even though he did go off during the playoffs, you would think you would want to give him more opportunity through the preseason just to help build him up. But it just, it's really weird to me.
Kicker Controversy and Humorous Roast
00:23:06
Mike __kawanomike_
so my side of that is i think this is gonna sound kind of weird i think if love had played more i think he i think wix would have played more but i think that it's one of those where they look at his um his being on the field without jordan as I don't want to say pointless but like unnecessary because sure he can run the routes and he can but I think what the way I look at it is sort of like the more positive viewpoint on it where his position is kind of locked on the roster they they think he's really important
00:23:45
Mike __kawanomike_
He's not getting extra reps in the games because they trust where he's at in terms of learning the playbook. And on top of that, he's there to catch passes from Jordan. If he's not catching passes from Jordan in a preseason game, there's no point to put him out there. So that's where I do understand where you're coming from, though, on it, because it is kind of like a we want to see it a little bit because you know everyone everyone with any sort of ties to the team is talking up um you know how good Wix is and the potential he has and stuff but yeahre like you're right that we haven't necessarily seen it yet but
00:24:22
Mike __kawanomike_
I'm just not really there worried about it. um And then after those four, I have Melton and Heath making the roster. Melton, like we've kind of gone into, but in the receiver room, Melton gives you three guys who are burners with Watson, Jaden Reed, and Melton. And then you add in the positional speed that Musgrave and Kraft bring to the table.
00:24:49
Mike __kawanomike_
that's the kind of thing that um la floor wants in this offensive scheme to pressure keep push safeties back off the line of scrimmage and open things up for both his run game and his intermediate passing game and i think he has just put together a really solid preseason where um They obviously trust him. you know He got put in some key spots last season, made some big plays. The absolute pinnacle of that being the touchdown he got against the ah the Giants on that Monday night game last year. um Still blocks really well.
00:25:20
Mike __kawanomike_
and I think because Clifford only threw him the ball. um He just has more on film where it'd be harder to sneak him through waivers than it would be for Grant. I do think still has a chance to be a pretty good receiver, but I think he just has less on film. But he does do all the but dirty work stuff that LaFleur wants from his receivers. So I think Grant probably spends another season on the practice squad unless you know some kind of injury happens.
00:25:48
Mike __kawanomike_
I have more notes on that that will go over after we finish the um the full roster overview, but Joe, where are our disagreements laying on this position?
00:25:56
iowa_joe
OK, so we agree with the first four. Watson Dobbs reads wids. We also agree on Heath. I've been a big Malik Heath guy since his draft year. And it was I was really well spoken about how he didn't look like he was playing his all at Ole Miss. And if somebody can get him to play his all, he's going to be at a tremendous we're seeing that we're seeing him give us all because he's I think he's got to be one of our most physical wide receivers watching him fight on ah those catches that he's been getting has been amazing was it which game was it last year that he made a catch and it got so physical that his helmet popped off
00:26:33
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah Yeah.
00:26:50
iowa_joe
somebody like rip this helmet up.
00:26:51
Mike __kawanomike_
Was that the Saints game? Was that the Saints? i I'm remembering the play, but yeah, I'm not remembering the game.
00:26:55
iowa_joe
For some reason, I'm thinking of cold weather. Yeah, I'm thinking cold weather.
00:26:59
Mike __kawanomike_
Maybe it was that giant- Oh! Well, I mean, his helmet came off in the Giants game, because that was the one- I think it was that one, or... Is it the Giants game or the Bucks game, I think?
00:27:10
Mike __kawanomike_
But yeah, it's one of those I'm remembering to play, but I'm not recalling the opponent, yeah.
00:27:12
iowa_joe
I just
00:27:14
iowa_joe
Right. and And mine is to say, I can just, I can visualize the picture because he's, you know, screaming and you see the hair flying and, you know, he's flexing and and it was just right after that.
00:27:23
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:27:26
iowa_joe
So we know he's physical. Where we disagree, and we've kind of had this conversation a little bit before, I have to boze over Melton.
00:27:39
iowa_joe
And this is my reasoning behind it. We gave Melton, sin or we, like I'm in the fucking coach's room, the Packers were giving him all kinds of snaps ah during preseason.
00:27:46
Mike __kawanomike_
Hahahaha!
00:27:56
iowa_joe
He had the horrible game in the first game, then he's been silent throughout most everything until his touchdown catch against the Ravens. And you really don't have a lot out of him.
00:28:10
iowa_joe
And then you have the one boneheaded play. And I'll call it a boneheaded play because it really was when they put him on a punt team as the Gunner. He wasn't watching for the ball like they were.
00:28:21
Mike __kawanomike_
Go.
00:28:23
iowa_joe
So the only memorable play that I have from him during the preseason is just the touchdown catch this past Saturday.
00:28:34
iowa_joe
So DeBose, on the other hand, has constantly been making plays. They've constantly been hitting him. he's And on my notes, I said he pretty much caught almost everything that was thrown to him. I know there was a few drops here or there, but the catches were way beyond how many drops he had. I think he's starting to progress into what they had hoped as a seventh round rookie out of Charlotte.
00:29:06
iowa_joe
Was it Charlotte?
00:29:07
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, yeah, Charlotte.
00:29:08
iowa_joe
Okay. And you know, he's got the size, he's got the ability. It was just coming from such a small school, it was he's raw, he's raw, and he's raw.
00:29:27
iowa_joe
You know, can they mold him into what they want? I think the big thing for him last year, and I know a lot of it had to do with injuries, but they elevated him last year from the practice squad a couple different times. So that tells me that he's working his ass off in practice too. It's not just that they needed another body. They could have done that any old way they wanted to do, but they went with the bows. It's not that I don't like Melton. I do like Melton. He really showed up last year when the Packers needed him.
00:29:59
iowa_joe
He's got the all kinds of physical you know freak athletic ability.
00:30:05
iowa_joe
but I wanted more from him and I just, I i could be wrong. I just didn't see it in this these preseason games outside of that one catch. And I can't base everything off of just one catch. Grant DeBose isn't just one catch. He's had multiple, including one that on the sideline that strongly reminded me of the play in the playoffs against the Cowboys years ago.
00:30:34
iowa_joe
from rogers to cooks because it was that kind of toe dragging you know oh my god he caught it type catch so that's our biggest disagreement there
00:30:47
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah i and part of it is me trying not to be a homer because DuBose has been my guy since he was drafted last year um And it's one of those where I just don't know what they want in this room. The reason Eileen Melton is because I feel like they, LeFlore, and LeFlore saw it with his own two eyes. The 21 playoffs got torpedoed because they lost every speed speed receiving option on the roster um because, you know, MVS had his back and then he had the hamstring, or hamstring, then the back injury. Tonyan blew his knee out and then, um
00:31:26
Mike __kawanomike_
You just didn't have deep threats after that. And I feel like this is the first time in a long time that they've actually had like ah contingency plans to their... you know We spent all of last season going, oh shit, like Christian Watson's hurt, hurt, hurt. like What are we going to do for deep speed kind of thing? So um that that's the side of it that I'm kind of like, I do think that they'll lean on Melton.
00:31:51
Mike __kawanomike_
The other side of it, though, is with DuBose, he gives you another perimeter receiver, which Melton is not. Reid can, but you know and you look at the guys that they have you have. Of the top four, you have Wix, who's an outside guy. um You have Dobbs and Watson, who can play both. um And then you have Reid, who's really more of a slot than he is up you know he's a slot to perimeter, not a perimeter slot guy. So if you keep DuBose and Heath,
00:32:18
Mike __kawanomike_
that gives you two guys that you're like, OK, they're playing, you know, they're playing on the perimeter and you can put whoever of those other four guys on the inside. So it does create different kinds of flexibility.
00:32:29
Mike __kawanomike_
And so those are the part of those, um you know, conversations that we are you and I are not privy to. But I'm kind of going at it from DuBose.
00:32:35
iowa_joe
Right.
00:32:38
Mike __kawanomike_
I think he can be on a really good Packers roster. I just like you said, he's still a little raw. There's something about seeing a Packers receiver wearing the number 86, going back to the Lombardi days, going back to the 90s days with Antonio Freeman.
00:32:54
Mike __kawanomike_
I would love for DuBose to continue that, but I'm just... i I wish that Clifford had thrown him the frickin' ball more often, but, you know, that like I said, that's ah that's wishing and moaning over stuff that I can't change.
00:33:03
iowa_joe
that
00:33:08
Mike __kawanomike_
but And like I said, there's a point that I think we'll go over when we get, you know, we get through this roster stuff where it could change, it could really clarify this um receiver room really quickly if Goot gets on the phone and makes some moves.
00:33:25
Mike __kawanomike_
So we'll talk about that, like I said, when we get to the end, but yeah.
00:33:29
iowa_joe
And that could be another thing, you know, he could make a move or two, like player swaps and stuff like that that can completely blow a lot of this up.
00:33:35
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:33:37
iowa_joe
I, you know, the big hot rumors they've been.
00:33:38
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah, we're, we're going off of, you know, we're going off the vibes after preseason week three.
00:33:43
iowa_joe
Yeah.
00:33:44
Mike __kawanomike_
And yeah, so by that, like we said, by the time you're listening to this half, I don't want to say half, but at you know, any from a half to a half dozen to a dozen of our picks could be just like,
00:33:56
Mike __kawanomike_
just not applicable because they got dealt or moved or someone else got signed off of waivers kind of thing so yeah and took one of these guys on the lower end spot on the roster but i do not believe they'll be signing a receiver for that spot it'll be you know just whoever of these seven guys and it is these seven guys it's whichever one of one of these seven just you know for whatever reason whether it's DuBose because he makes the most sense to get through to the practice squad or
00:34:00
iowa_joe
Yeah.
00:34:23
Mike __kawanomike_
a Heath or Melton deal that, you know, Gudakus just can't turn away from comes up and, you know, an offer he can't refuse. So yeah, those are all things that are definitely in the air.
00:34:34
iowa_joe
The only thing I will say is my dark horse, and this, if I had to put on odds to it, it'd have to be like 1,000 to one, because i I agree with you.
00:34:34
Mike __kawanomike_
But
00:34:44
iowa_joe
I just don't see how anybody else could beat out the seven that we're talking about. But I think they really like, and I think they've seen a lot of good stuff out of that South Alabama kid.
00:34:58
Mike __kawanomike_
Mmm, yeah, Wayne, yeah.
00:34:59
iowa_joe
Jaylen Wayne.
00:34:59
Mike __kawanomike_
wane yeah he has He has put a lot of good stuff on film this preseason.
00:35:00
iowa_joe
Yeah. ah that could
00:35:06
iowa_joe
Yeah, so that could be the only dark horse that I could say that they're going to wipe the slate clean and just say, we're going with this kid because he's kind of like Heath where he's a little bit more physical and he's got this, he can do this, this and this. So, and one other thing I'll disagree with you on Heath is I don't think he's strictly just a perimeter guy. I think if anybody else could be a slot receiver on this team, it would be Heath just because of his physicality.
00:35:35
Mike __kawanomike_
in kind of how they use Lazard. Yeah, I can see that. But yeah, talking about the way they ran the offense last year, I think there's, but yeah, I could see it. old line how many total did you keep so i kind of have this in the notes the last two years they've kept 10 and 11 um but they've only kept double i was surprised i thought they kept double digits more up but they've only kept double digit old linemen on the opening roster three times in the past i forget how long spoff said but it was like 20 years or something so
00:36:07
Mike __kawanomike_
2017 and 2022 they kept 10 and then last year they kept 11 on the opening roster. I only have 9. How many do you have?
00:36:16
iowa_joe
Okay. So you remember when I told you earlier, numbers are hard.
00:36:20
iowa_joe
I have 10, but I will be honest. I'm not even sure if I'm at 53. I may be at like 52 or 54. I may be one over or one under on it.
00:36:32
iowa_joe
I don't know. Cause I was sitting there trying to toll them, but my mind kept wandering to other things just cause you know where I was sitting while doing this.
00:36:42
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah!
00:36:43
iowa_joe
Um. And so I have 10 total. And my breakdown goes five offensive tackle, three offensive guard, and two center.
00:36:58
iowa_joe
And that's the only reason I have it broke down like that, even though a lot of these guys can interchange in there um around that.
00:36:58
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay.
00:37:08
iowa_joe
But I broke it down in that way because it helped me put together the ones that I wanted on there. um so I don't even have your list pulled up so I don't know how much of a difference that we have really other than I have one more than you do uh okay I do see a couple um so for my tackle wise and this is how I'll break it down like this and then you can do it however you want to do to counteract it so
00:37:21
Mike __kawanomike_
So... Hahaha!
00:37:37
Mike __kawanomike_
Mhm!
00:37:43
iowa_joe
The tackles I went with Zach Tom, Rashid Walker, obviously.
00:37:45
Mike __kawanomike_
Hahaha!
00:37:48
iowa_joe
Travis Glover, I put in there because even though he had limited, I thought he was doing well in his limited time. And I think with him being a draft pick, that also gives him a little bit of leverage compared to a lot of the other ones.
00:38:04
iowa_joe
Andre Dillard. Even though I really think it's going to end up in disaster, I think he outkicked his coverage during the preseason. Cause where the hell did that play come from? You know, we just spent his last what, four years watching him be trash on the field. Now, all of a sudden in the preseason, he's one of the top rated tackles. Um, and then my last tackle is Caleb Jones.
00:38:32
iowa_joe
They love him for some reason. I think you could interchange Glover and Jones because they're both mountain men. And, you know, it is, I'd love to see Caleb Jones put in his guard one of these days because that would be a hell of a grow greater. Um, my guards are obviously Jordan Morgan. They're not going to cut a first rounder in his first year. Uh, Elton Jenkins, Sean Ryan, and then the centers are Meyers and Monk.
00:38:59
iowa_joe
And then Donovan Jennings, I actually had on there and then I took him off and then I had him on and I took him off.
00:39:00
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay.
00:39:03
Mike __kawanomike_
IR!
00:39:04
iowa_joe
And it's like, I don't know what they're going to do with him. I don't know if they'll lie or I don't know. what I know it it gets into one of those things and it's like, we didn't see him. They gave him a huge ass fucking roster bonus or a signing bonus when they signed him as a UDFA.
00:39:23
iowa_joe
I liked him. What do you do with them? if If he's still injured, do you just roll? Do you just put him in IR and don't bring him back like they did?
00:39:37
iowa_joe
Oh, shit. There was one other guy they did a few years ago. They did the same thing where they just IR'd him. Tanuta. Wasn't it Tanuta? They IR'd him for the whole season.
00:39:44
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, Tanuda. And I think Yosh, technically, I think Yosh, they technically did that too. Or I think he was pup. But yeah, i think I think you're thinking of Tanuda. Yeah.
00:39:54
iowa_joe
Yeah. And then the next year they brought them in and let them compete that way they could still keep them around and whatever.
00:39:59
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:40:01
iowa_joe
So, all right. So counteract it.
00:40:05
Mike __kawanomike_
OK, so I have i'll just got to go, but I didn't have it breaking out by positions. I have the quote unquote starters, um Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Ryan, Tom.
00:40:17
Mike __kawanomike_
ah Ryan, I have as a starter because Morgan, I think he's just missed too much time to start, at least to open the season. um We haven't seen him play our live rep in a and a long while. I know he's back at practice, but more in um individual drills.
00:40:30
iowa_joe
individuals.
00:40:31
Mike __kawanomike_
So I think Ryan will start for now. um And then I have, as the um backup side, so obviously I have Morgan on there, Jacob Monk, Dillard, and then Lesidus Smith, who I think has been OK. And you know he's a guy that they claimed off waivers and provides a little more overlap between center and guard. So um he's you know he one of those guys.
00:40:56
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, I struggled with one of the big tackles, you know, with whether it's one of Glover, Telford, and um Jones, but... I just didn't think any of them.
00:41:09
Mike __kawanomike_
So like, I didn't think any of them showed enough to be worthy of an opening day roster spot. And because of that, I think it'll be not too hard to sneak any or all of them through to the practice squad after final cuts are done.
00:41:24
Mike __kawanomike_
So that's where I've kind of got it. This is a position to where it could shift depending on who gets cut off another roster come final cut down. So ah yeah.
00:41:33
iowa_joe
And that's what my notes said, because outside of our starters, everything else seemed to suck during the preseason.
00:41:41
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah really and like the only two locks are whoever of ryan and morgan is not the starter and monk after that
00:41:41
iowa_joe
And I have to, and yeah.
00:41:51
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah like Dillard I think they'll keep because you want your swing tackle to have experience and he does have that you know it's not necessarily good experience but it counts and then like I said Smith it's it's a little bit not a little bit it's a pretty you know thin it's a thin um thin string to grasp at but is a guy that they like were obviously keeping an eye on from another roster and he has made it this far through camp so that's kind of where and i like i said i thought he's played well he's played fine better than some of the other guys that have been sucking up snaps on this roster so um that's why i've got him there
00:42:27
iowa_joe
And see, I don't know about that, because again, I couldn't go off visual yet. Saturday, I had to go by ears, and it just sounded like he was getting beat to hell the way Larry and Wayne were talking about it.
00:42:39
Mike __kawanomike_
Hmm. I only watched the first half and I haven't had a chance today to pick up the second half So I if if and if especially if Larry is saying things i I'll trust Larry's intuition on that side of it, but I thought the first couple games I thought his problems were more like he's not a starter, you know yet or maybe never but I thought a lot of his issues were stemming from that where he's playing out of his depth at this point, so um We'll see. But he is, of the nine I have, he's the guy that if like another team cuts a tackle that's like worth being a swing tackle, he's the guy that's on his way out. Because you have Monk, you have Morgan, slash Ryan, whoever's not starting at right guard, you have those two to swap and you know, so you're looking for that other swing tackle position. Yeah.
00:43:28
iowa_joe
Yeah, and i and that's why I broke it down the way I did was because it so many of them can interchange on things. Like, I think Diller could probably be a better guard than a tackle just because of his build.
00:43:37
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:43
iowa_joe
And I wish they would have played him that way in the preseason just to see what he could do. um Monk could be a sinner, could be guard. Elton and Tom could be tackle, could be guard, could be centered.
00:43:57
iowa_joe
They can play up and down the line. So it, you know, ah that's how I see it. Um, so yeah, let's go ahead and start on defense.
00:44:08
iowa_joe
How do you have it broke down real quick?
00:44:08
Mike __kawanomike_
All right.
00:44:10
iowa_joe
So I know how to find it.
00:44:12
Mike __kawanomike_
I just have I just have D line so but I can quickly break them out between end and then tackle if that's how you had it.
00:44:15
iowa_joe
Okay.
00:44:20
iowa_joe
Yeah, I broke it down between the end and tackle. I mean, you can keep it however you want to do it, but I kept it end and tackle.
00:44:22
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay. yeah so i mean like i said this one's pretty easy because i know i i have 10 total and i went five and five so if i break it apart as ends so the five ends that i have but so i'll go with the five tackles first because there's less controversy so the five tackles i have are kenny clark
00:44:30
iowa_joe
Yuck.
00:44:41
Mike __kawanomike_
TJ Slayton, Davante Wyatt, Karl Brooks, and Colby Woodin. The ends that I have are Rashawn, Preston s Smith, Lucas, Enigbare, um and Mosby is my fifth. I think he did enough to um unseat Cox, and I have Cox going to the practice squad if he makes it through waivers.
00:45:05
iowa_joe
Okay, so obviously defensive line is set. I mean, I don't think, for one, I don't think any of the guys that they had playing did anything to oust Carl or Colby.
00:45:20
iowa_joe
There's definitely nobody that outshone Kenny or TJ.
00:45:24
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:45:25
iowa_joe
And Devontae seems like he's coming along a little bit. Top three defensive ends are the same, Smith, Gary, Van Ness. I left off Enoch Barre.
00:45:36
iowa_joe
I thought he looked kind of rough, especially during the Denver game.
00:45:36
Mike __kawanomike_
Hmm.
00:45:40
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay.
00:45:42
iowa_joe
I have Cox and I have Mosby on there. um I think Britton Cox still looked pretty decent for the most part throughout the preseason.
00:45:53
iowa_joe
And I think Saturday pretty much earned Mosby a spot because he he had had, it was one of those slow builds where The first game, he really wasn't showing anything. Second game, he really started stepping up.
00:46:04
iowa_joe
Third game is when he went off on things. So I think he earned it.
00:46:07
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah Yeah.
00:46:10
iowa_joe
I do want to say Morton, at least. I know I promised you a roster spot just for scoring the only points, but I do think he is a priority for practice squad.
00:46:21
iowa_joe
to And that's not just being facetious.
00:46:21
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, I can see that too.
00:46:24
iowa_joe
That's actual being you know truthful.
00:46:25
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, the other one that I'm kind of curious and I didn't even notice they did this move was they signed Keontae Shad on I guess yesterday or on Saturday. You're listening to this on tuesday on Saturday ah the 24th. They signed him to a, granted it's non-guaranteed, but they signed him to a three-year deal which means like it's a little weird that it's this late into camp but it's one of those where like if he like really somehow takes a spot you have this guy side for three years on a cheap deal but really I think it's a funny money one to get him to like sign with Green Bay and then you can cut him and have kind of like first dibs on signing him to a practice squad spot so just throwing that little nugget out there yeah yeah hard to when you get signed the day of the game so yeah so yeah
00:47:06
iowa_joe
And that's pretty much the reason is. i don't Because he didn't really show much to me in his limited time. ah so
00:47:18
iowa_joe
Right. So it just i I think it was just to make it look good for potential suitors that somebody gave him. And you know it gives him a little, because he will get a portion of that as you know for his pay.
00:47:32
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:47:34
iowa_joe
and Yeah, it just gave him a look. So nothing really surprising there outside of we disagreed on Enoch Barre and Cox.
00:47:39
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:47:43
iowa_joe
I think Enoch Barre could sneak through to the practice squad just because of injury last year coming in, not playing that well to begin with.
00:47:43
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:47:52
iowa_joe
And and from there, because it really did he really looked rough, at least definitely during Denver.
00:48:01
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah and the internal like I said this is another one of those internal ones where it's like how healthy is he kind of thing and stuff but yeah the I think the bigger thing is that we have the same 11 names on here and the 10 that we picked were only off by one so kind of shows where we're thinking and um linebackers I had
00:48:18
iowa_joe
Yeah. This next one, we're probably gonna fight. I'm gonna throw down with you.
00:48:25
Mike __kawanomike_
Oh, and A, I did not take any pleasure on keeping your boy off here. It was close. But so I've got five. Cooper, Kway, McDuffie are the starters for now. Hopper I thought really popped the last, um the last um you know, really game and a half worth. And then um I have Wilson as the fifth linebacker.
00:48:52
Mike __kawanomike_
Welch is like I would not be surprised if he makes the roster I'm not entirely sure who he'd be over like I think it's one of those where to keep a six linebacker you're fighting it out with full back spot, the Ben Sims spot, um all these other like special teams heavy positions. And the reason I gave Wilson the nod, and I know, what and it's hard because Welch had a really good like two thirds of a season playing special teams last year after he was um elevated to the 50 theory man roster. But Wilson is your de facto, one of your de facto captains of the special teams.
00:49:35
Mike __kawanomike_
And I mean, if Green Bay had won that game in San Fran, we'd be talking about how he saved Kishan Nixon's ass by recovering that fumble on Nixon's long kickoff return. so And I know one play does not make it anything. But also, and on top of that, Wilson is kind of a starter right now, especially with um Cooper's situation. I know Cooper is another guy who he returned to practice. So the three guys are Cooper.
00:50:03
Mike __kawanomike_
Morgan and um Valentine all return to practice but only on an individual basis so but Wilson has been the third starting linebacker so it's it's by fine hairs that I left Welch off, but at the same time, I don't know exactly what the overall roster is looking at. I don't know how much Bisaccio will be able to push for Welch. I don't know how much Halfly, it's one of those where if Halfly and Bisaccio are both banging the table for Welch for different reasons, it might come at the cost of Sims or Pearson that Welch makes the roster. So that's kind of where I've got it with him being linebacker six.
00:50:47
iowa_joe
see mine is different because i I thought it came down to Wilson Welch like you did but Welch took the cake because of how well and this isn't being Homer or anything it was just how well he was playing he had the tip interception in Denver he had the tackles he had the multiple plays against the Ravens
00:50:49
Mike __kawanomike_
Hmm.
00:51:02
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:51:10
iowa_joe
I didn't PFF post something today saying that he was like one of the highest rated mind backers in the preseason or something like that.
00:51:17
Mike __kawanomike_
He was leading the preseason in a lot of solo tackles, stops, and there was something else that he was leading in. And it just go in the...
00:51:29
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, so like it's it's just into that whole... like um It's that whole side of it where it's like, do they go with the upside swing and keep...
00:51:42
Mike __kawanomike_
And I know Welch isn't that young, but he's like five or six years younger than Wilson.
00:51:47
iowa_joe
He's 26, so he's still relatively young.
00:51:49
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah yeah they're turning 24 before the season starts yeah so like i said i won't i'm not gonna fight you that hard if about it oh wilson's not even 30 i thought he was 31 or something so yeah so it's not something i would really go tooth and nail against you on
00:51:51
iowa_joe
I mean, most of the rookies this year, or not most of them, but a good chunk of the rookies this year are like 24. So for him to be only two years, yeah.
00:52:15
Mike __kawanomike_
and i do like that welch is like a he's not
00:52:16
iowa_joe
you
00:52:17
Mike __kawanomike_
big but he's a taller linebacker and I do like that you you kind of especially in Halfly system I do like guys who are lankier on the inside because it it gives you more versatility and it it helps like and we kind of saw that with his um not the tip drill interception but the one he almost had against the Ravens where it's like you can he can range a little more and like just be in throwing windows. So like I said, I'm probably gonna if we sit here and talk about it enough, I'll probably talk into him over Wilson. But the edge Wilson has is he has started in the NFL before he was starting for you in, you know, while Cooper and Cooper and Hopper both miss time with injury. But Welch really did come on strong down the stretch. And I could it wouldn't surprise me at all if they're like, yeah,
00:53:07
Mike __kawanomike_
We're going to go with the upside swing here because we, you know, for all intents purposes, they know what Wilson is. They've seen him in a 4-3 scheme before. And I think like he has one good year and one, oh, like he played above out of his out of his dome the year before kind of season.
00:53:23
Mike __kawanomike_
So um yeah, here we go. Like I said, talking myself into it. So yeah, I could see them going with the Welsh thing.
00:53:28
iowa_joe
Well, the only other things that i'll the only the other things I'll add to it is people also forget a couple of things. One, Welch does have experience in a 4-3 because he played at Iowa and Iowa runs a 4-3 defense.
00:53:39
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
00:53:42
iowa_joe
The other thing is Eric Wilson is a safety convert to linebacker. Welch has played linebacker period. So he, I would put it as Welch has more experience when it comes to that position, even though Wilson is a little bit older and for the most part outside of like one or two seasons, Wilson has played only the same position as Welch, special teams. He was only a starter last year because of injury in certain situations.
00:54:17
iowa_joe
He had the one starting year in in Minnesota that he looked decent on. But outside of that, he's been just a pure special teamer and a in case shit happens guy. So I just, I went with the younger, little bit more upside guy and the one that seemed to be playing out of his mind during the preseason.
00:54:41
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, like I said, I'm not gonna really fight you over that one. ah know It'll be interesting to see what they do. But it's a good place to be, and and it's not just by um default that they're here. I think the guys that are in line for these five spots, they've all played well and shown upside. So it's not, you know, we talked about how there's more linebackers when you go from a 3-4 to a 4-3.
00:55:04
Mike __kawanomike_
so and but they're not just filling it with like uh like we needed body guys like these are guys that actually showed some upside so uh good place for the packers to be cornerback um i have five how many do you have okay um so i've got jair stokes these are not really in an order i'm just listing them jair stokes stokes nixon valentine and rochelle
00:55:19
iowa_joe
I have five.
00:55:27
iowa_joe
Right, no, mine aren't in order either.
00:55:34
Mike __kawanomike_
And then like I, so the Valentine one until I read one of the articles that he came back I was like, do they put him on IR but no like he came back to practice so I don't think unless he like fell down a flight of stairs I don't think you could be able to say like oh he's still injured so um I think they'll just kind of nurse him and then I think they try to sneak Valentine and King onto the practice squad. um There's an outside shot, Valentine, you know, it's Valentine over Rochelle, but um I think they like the the height speed option that Rochelle brings to the table. But man, like Valentine did everything and more of what they asked him to do when he was just like put in a position that he was not expected to be in last year. So it kind of buzzed me out that he's not on the roster. But I do think he'll be on the 90 man roster when all is said and done.
00:56:26
iowa_joe
Okay, so here is my thing. I would normally ah agree with you ah about keeping Rochelle and trying to sneak um King onto the the practice squad, but I think Rochelle himself is injured right now.
00:56:49
Mike __kawanomike_
Oh, there you go.
00:56:50
iowa_joe
um
00:56:51
Mike __kawanomike_
I think you're right. Yeah, I think you got hurt during the game.
00:56:52
iowa_joe
it's
00:56:53
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, some kind of point or something like that.
00:56:56
iowa_joe
No, it was before the game because he wasn't listed as, he was one of the ones that was left off and Schneiderman said it's a hip injury.
00:57:00
Mike __kawanomike_
Oh, my that's what that's what I think he got listed as out during the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:04
iowa_joe
Yeah, yeah. So that makes me wonder how, what his availability is going to be for the start of the season. So could he be one of the ones that you put on IR and then bring back, you know, later into the season?
00:57:19
iowa_joe
With that being said, I kept King and you know i didn't put it I didn't go through and put practice squad guys or anything on this because that's even worse the thing to predict. um But I did have Jair, Stokes, Valentine, Nixon, and King.
00:57:39
iowa_joe
Um, King had a little bit of a rough outing when they got into live rounds, but I think he still produced a little bit better than, than for it still produce produced pretty well for his seventh round rookie. Uh, and, and like I said, the only thing that kept it any different is it had Rochelle listed as a, as an injury. Otherwise I think they really liked what they have out of him. So.
00:58:06
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah yeah we'll see uh we'll see if he's back at practice like if they put him on ir that shows in a different way that they do like what they have in him and hope that they'll he'll be able to come back kind of thing so yeah i just think king king is a year away from being a year away so that's why you try and sneak him through that the tackling was really concerning the past two weeks because he made the same mistake he did in Denver uh against the Ravens um so it's one of those words like gotta clean that up but we're talking about cornerback five and yeah so um we'll see we'll see where that goes safeties I
00:58:48
iowa_joe
I think we actually agree on this one.
00:58:52
Mike __kawanomike_
It's the three agent signing, the the holdover, and the three draft picks, right?
00:58:58
iowa_joe
Yeah.
00:58:59
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, McKinney, Bullard. but Again, no order. McKinney, Cyclone, Bullard, Williams, and Oladapo. And then I have International Man of Mystery, Zane Anderson, going on the practice squad.
00:59:11
Mike __kawanomike_
So, yeah.
00:59:11
iowa_joe
the And mine's the same. The only thing that I got to say is even though Oladapo only had limited play because he was just returning from injury, I think he did struggle a little bit. So I wonder if that's something that maybe they think that they could slide him to the practice squad. Or it might be one of those that he starts the season on the 53. And then like after the practice squads get settled, they release him and then they move him to the practice squad.
00:59:42
iowa_joe
or they just stick with them.
00:59:42
Mike __kawanomike_
could be, but i I thought his struggles were more. It's a guy who hadn't played football in eight months kind of thing, then like, because I thought that it was more the type where he'd have a, he'd have just inconsistent play.
00:59:56
Mike __kawanomike_
He'd have a couple of plays where he looked pretty good, and then you'd have one where you're like, oh man, it looks like Bambi learning how to walk out there kind of thing.
01:00:03
iowa_joe
Yeah.
01:00:03
Mike __kawanomike_
So um I think I think it's one of those where he'll make it and yeah maybe if there's another guy they pick up he comes back you know he comes off and goes on practice squad but I think they would prefer to keep him on and then yeah Anderson he was a key special teams player last year even though we weren't sure if it was really him or not but um I think these the other safeties on the roster just have more upside than him so I think that kind of makes it a clean concise cut but if they can bring him back to the practice squad I think they will
01:00:35
Mike __kawanomike_
um And then for the specialist, Orzic Whelan Carlson, I think is the kicker. I know that he had the miss from 32. I actually didn't see it and I still haven't seen it, so I'm not sure.
01:00:48
Mike __kawanomike_
how bad it was but um i so I just I saw both of Joseph's kicks and I still just do not trust how he kicks the ball I know that's gonna sound really weird um for a lot of fans but the way that he tries to just laser beam shot every kick through it makes me really nervous because it's one of those where everything's got to be perfect for him to have consistent success and you're kicking in Lambo you're which means you're kicking in elements and if you divot the ground in front of it or the wind is wrong more other than you're expecting it to be and you don't have a perfect rotation on the ball after you kick it he's gonna have all kind of issues like you know that kick that he sent into Wyoming when he kicked in Denver the other week so yeah that's like I said
01:01:35
iowa_joe
shit
01:01:39
Mike __kawanomike_
It's not with resounding, um it's not with resounding confidence, but I do have Anders being the kicker over Joseph. Unless, like we kind of talked about, unless someone gets cut that it's like, oh shit, like we can't pass that opportunity up.
01:01:53
Mike __kawanomike_
So yeah, what's what's your direction here?
01:01:55
iowa_joe
And I don't disagree on any of it. I was trying to look at for Andy Herman's post because he posted The, uh, here we go.
01:02:07
iowa_joe
The percentages.
01:02:07
Mike __kawanomike_
The final counts or whatever, yeah.
01:02:09
iowa_joe
Yeah. So Anders went 62 for 76 for 81.6%. Greg Joseph's was 60 out of 76 for 78.9%.
01:02:20
iowa_joe
And then of course you got Alex Hale 14 at 21 for 66.7%. So if you want to believe full competition,
01:02:32
iowa_joe
just going off numbers and everything else, you would have to settle on Anders because he won it fair and square. He had the higher kick percentage.
01:02:40
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:02:41
iowa_joe
So I think, I was talking with Sanjay earlier today and kind of about this too, that I don't, I kind of want to stick with him one more season because I don't want what happened with his brother to happen with the Packers.
01:03:01
iowa_joe
I don't want the the Vikings to just cut ties with him and then next thing you know he's an all-pro kicker.
01:03:01
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:03:07
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:03:08
iowa_joe
There's something that's still got to be battled out with him and the one thing that me and you pounded the table for all last year with him was he never let it affect him.
01:03:21
iowa_joe
Yeah okay he missed one but he didn't miss five of the rest of them.
01:03:21
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah
01:03:27
iowa_joe
you know, kind of like we were talking about with Mason, what Mason would do.
01:03:31
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:03:32
iowa_joe
Mason would miss one and then you wouldn't know if he'd make any of the rest of them because he would let it get into his head. Anders wouldn't allow that. Now is that something to do with Basaccia there with them?
01:03:46
iowa_joe
Is that, you know, what? I don't know. But yes, unless a major kicker gets released During cut downs, I think they'll roll with Anders and hope that Alex Hill can prove progress as the IPP guy.
01:04:04
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah so yeah i'm there like like i said under kicking style there's more upside and because he does the like nuanced kicking stuff that, you know, you you want to see him slice the ball or um to draw it in when he kicks from a certain side and stuff.
01:04:27
Mike __kawanomike_
And yeah, like I said, I just don't like how Joseph kicks the ball. So um but yeah, if a named kicker gets released from another team.
01:04:35
iowa_joe
I go back to, how do you kick from the left hash mark and send it wide right?
01:04:37
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:04:40
Mike __kawanomike_
And shoot it. Yeah.
01:04:46
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah so yeah that's that's kind of where i'm at um like i said i have some notes at the end of mine so the guys that i listed on
01:04:56
iowa_joe
Go for it. I didn't do any practice squad guys, because that's just a crap shoot.
01:04:58
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah these are just sort of like my thought process is um going into it so we kind of went into it some of these guys um certain ones of the guys that i have going to the practice squad are like you know with the uh ncwa basketball tournament they have the first four out so this a bunch of those guys are like my first so many off the roster welch is definitely top amongst those and it gets into the whole nuance of like what are they looking for at the position if they're looking to go young then Welch is going to get it over Wilson or do they put him against guys at different positions and you know where do they like I said if it's Basaccia and Halfly banging the table for him does he get the nod over someone that LeFlore is like oh like I could use a fourth tight end kind of thing and stuff so that side of it uh Marshawn Lloyd on IR just makes too much sense like I know that he could be less than four weeks away but
01:05:55
Mike __kawanomike_
I don't, okay, let me just put it this way.
01:05:55
iowa_joe
Why rush it?
01:05:57
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, why rush it? He's missed so much of preseason that I can't see him being a key contributor to open the season anyway, especially if Dylan is healthier sooner than later.
01:06:08
Mike __kawanomike_
and um yeah it's hard i just find it hard to put your the eggs in the basket of a rookie who just hasn't played a lot in the preseason like that's just kind of where i'm coming so like you said don't rush him from an injury standpoint don't rush him from uh learning the offense standpoint I know he can't take part in practices while he's on IR, but he can still go to the meetings. The coaches can still, you know, show him film coach up his technique from like a, you know, a classroom point of view kind of thing and they can check in with him as he works out and stuff so I would take the slow and steady approach with that.
01:06:45
Mike __kawanomike_
um i think Lafleur really likes Pearson given how many times that you know I I do think there's kind of a handshake like hey we like you but we want to take a look at some other positions but they've kept bringing him back it might have been Larry or something yeah or
01:06:56
iowa_joe
who was it that said what did i hear it on the oh it was um um yeah wayne or larry said that he was on his way to cleveland for a workout and the packers called last minute and said hey we want to bring you back and he said fine i'm coming so that tells me that they both want you know both the packers and he want to
01:07:18
Mike __kawanomike_
turned the car around yeah
01:07:26
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, like I said, I know that people will be like, why have they cut him four times? it's Like, why would Pearson keep coming back? Like, that's that's the side of it that I point at. I was like, he can look at the other 2019s and be like, hey, I put decent stuff on film. Let me just go find an opportunity with someone else. But the fact that the Packers keep calling him and the fact that he keeps saying, yeah, I'm back, baby. So that's where I'm like, there's something there that both sides are like, let's figure out how to make this work. And like I said,
01:07:55
Mike __kawanomike_
what he put on film this past week I think it shows that like his past catching translate I know it's only one but how often do we really throw to the full back in a given game anyway so I like Pearson making it
01:08:06
iowa_joe
The only thing we haven't seen him as a true fullback do is take a s snap, ah take ah a hand off. And I just don't think the Packers offense does that anymore.
01:08:12
Mike __kawanomike_
Right, and LeFlore and LeFlore's offense isn't that, they're probably going to hand it off to Musgrave or Tucker before they hand it off to the fullback. um This isn't the Coon Dive offense anymore, so yeah, I'm with you there.
01:08:28
Mike __kawanomike_
um Yeah, like I said, we we kind of were wondering like what they're going to do at O-line. Yeah, that after the starter after the top seven, which includes Morgan and Monk, or whatever. So it's the top four, then Ryan and Morgan, and then Monk. After those seven guys,
01:08:49
Mike __kawanomike_
Whatever they do won't surprise me, because I just think that they're not in love with any of those guys. And it's just a matter of who can cover the most spots in a backup capacity is what they're looking at there.
01:09:00
Mike __kawanomike_
um kind of made and I've gone into the whole special team side of it. So the two names there are Welch and Anderson. you know How much does Basaccio pound the table for those guys?
01:09:13
Mike __kawanomike_
One more note I had is I do think they're so last season they went into the the regular season with just nine DBs on the opening roster. Halfly is a DB coach so I get the feeling he's gonna want 10 defensive backs on his opening roster plus add in the fact that they have you know you had the situation last year where Stokes was on pop you didn't really know who was a good corner after Nixon to make the roster.
01:09:37
Mike __kawanomike_
And then at safety, it was like, who gives a shit after? her um After, um yeah.
01:09:42
iowa_joe
Well, and that's the same thing. That's the same thing this year. I mean, you have x Xavier McKinney and then you have a bunch of kids.
01:09:51
Mike __kawanomike_
But at least they're guys that you've like invested, picks like recent picks in.
01:09:52
iowa_joe
So.
01:09:55
iowa_joe
Right.
01:09:55
Mike __kawanomike_
It's not like, yeah, it's not like we signed Rudy Ford, we signed Jonathan Owens, They didn't play that great in the preseason, but we did just sign them. So I guess we're keeping them.
01:10:07
Mike __kawanomike_
kind of the it's It's a little different in that sense where it's like we have just invested three draft picks. Johnson has stepped has taken, ah I think, a pretty substantial step forward this preseason.
01:10:17
iowa_joe
Oh yeah, he was flying around.
01:10:17
Mike __kawanomike_
So yeah. Yeah, so I think that it's it's easier to justify keeping 10 DBs on this opening roster and um The next big one that we dabbled into but the one position where I can see good kind of calling around is or fielding calls is you're not touching our top four unless we get something like a starting caliber tackle or a day one or two pick which i know people will say like that's that they'll never get that but that's the price that goose should set if you want to talk about what's in dobs wicks or reed like
01:10:53
Mike __kawanomike_
You know, anyone can call, but if you're not going to pay the price, then, you know, thank you, goodbye. But I can see him having conversations regarding Melton Dubose or Heath, you know, for whether, like you said, it's a player at another position or, you know, like a mid to low draft pick kind of thing like.
01:11:12
Mike __kawanomike_
the Caleb Schlotteriff or the Coven-Lanin trade, but just for a receiver, that that kind of movement. So I can see that those kind of moves happening. And then the last one, rejoice.
01:11:25
Mike __kawanomike_
Royce Newbin should finally not be on this fucking roster.
01:11:26
iowa_joe
Yeah.
01:11:28
Mike __kawanomike_
So, Holly fucking Lupe.
01:11:29
iowa_joe
He's another one that i I think they could do a player swap with, similar to the Josh Jackson, Isaac Yaitam.
01:11:35
Mike __kawanomike_
right and like yeah and that's one of those where i'm like that should be the only reason he got so many fucking snaps this preseason because again he played into the third quarter against the ravens just like he did the first two weeks of the preseason and on one hand i'm like okay i get it you're trying to like show him as a potential trade target but at the same time it's like play anyone like just just give anyone else a shot kind of thing so yeah i i we've been done with that for two years but this should finally be the year where it's like it's finally over oh yes yeah yep
01:12:10
iowa_joe
Oh, and Tyler Davis is completely gone too. Those are the two big names. and we we no longer have we would We should no longer have to deal with Tyler Davis and we should no longer have to deal with Royce Newman.
01:12:24
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah cutting the two would save the team two and a half million on the cap so and only create i think five hundred thousand of dead money so and okay my whole thing with that yeah and my whole thing with dead money is like when it's that amount it's
01:12:33
iowa_joe
And it would make all of us feel a lot better.
01:12:41
Mike __kawanomike_
It's already in there and you just look at what you're saving. So that that's how I've always looked at it. I know some people get like, well, it's still dead, but I'm like, you're in that current year already.
01:12:52
Mike __kawanomike_
So who gives a shit? That's been my attitude about it. It's like, what can you save me to get dead weight off the roster?
01:12:55
iowa_joe
The only time, right. And the only time, uh, dead money should matter is if the dead money outweighs what the savings is. So like the whole Roger situation where, or the bactiari situation where you're only going to save 5 million, but your dead money is going to be 20 million.
01:13:05
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:12
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:13:15
iowa_joe
You know, what do you do? That's why they waited so long to do it.
01:13:19
Mike __kawanomike_
Yup.
01:13:21
Mike __kawanomike_
But, yup, so that's gonna be it. Joe, you got anything else for today?
01:13:25
iowa_joe
oh We got our ah we had to scramble for this one with Our segment we still haven't come up with the confirmed name.
01:13:27
Mike __kawanomike_
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the new segment!
01:13:33
iowa_joe
It's either boom roasted right now or shut the fuck up and this one comes from old Not surprisingly ESPN Milwaukee because I didn't pay attention to them.
01:13:44
iowa_joe
So I don't know if What's his face has said anything yet or not? Um, but this one's from locked on Packers, Pete, Peter Bukowski, um, talking about the under situation. Let's see if this will play.
01:14:51
iowa_joe
Okay. So that's a long ass clip.
01:14:52
Mike __kawanomike_
Okay.
01:14:54
iowa_joe
I got sick and tired of hearing it. So Pete, Peter, can I call you Pete? Well, I don't care if you want me to call you Peter or not. Shut the fuck up. Um, if I remember right, and I could be completely wrong, you were also one of the ones big time comparing Mason and Anders early on.
01:15:17
iowa_joe
You also have to remember, we've only had to deal with one kicker for the last 15 years outside of Anders Karlsson. Who else from the Packers do we compare him to?
01:15:32
iowa_joe
You're going to have the Jordan love Aaron Rodgers comparisons. You had the Rogers far of comparisons. You have all the wide receivers, whether it be Jordy Nelson, Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs. You're going to have all those comparisons. Why? Because they all wore the G. And that's how you, how people are. They're going to compare them because they are from that team.
01:15:58
iowa_joe
Everything you said that you didn't want to hear is the truth Yes, Mason had his clutch moments he for sure had his clutch moments But how many games did we see when he would miss one? He would miss multiple with honors How many times have we seen him miss one and he hasn't missed multiples and So while Anders Karlsson is not a top 10 kicker right now, maybe not even top 15.
01:16:33
iowa_joe
I think he just slides into the top 15. If I'm, if I'm remembering the the rankings, right. He is still hitting at 81%.
01:16:44
iowa_joe
I think that was his final one from last year. Wasn't it Mike? 80 to 81%.
01:16:47
Mike __kawanomike_
yeah eighty just under eighty two yeah
01:16:50
iowa_joe
Okay. That has been better than Mason has had in all but one of his years with the Green Bay Packers.
01:17:02
iowa_joe
And if I remember right, you were also one of the ones that wanted to bring Mason back. Well, if you think about it right now, and I'm fully admit, Anders is not this tremendous kicker.
01:17:13
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, just under 82,
01:17:18
iowa_joe
But Would you rather have a guy on the downhill side of his career continuing to kick only from at most maybe 40 yards out and deal with him and have to try to replace him again year after year? Or do you stick with a guy that is hitting about the same amount that the guy other guy spent his whole career and still has an upside?
01:17:43
iowa_joe
if they think If they can't find anybody else that's gonna do better than what Anders can do, Let Anders write it out and then work on it next year. Whether it's look at the UDFA class, the free agent class, whatever it is, there's always a next year. Hopefully you don't have to rely on him to be the only point you score in a game.
01:18:09
iowa_joe
Hopefully this offense is gonna be able to carry this team. Hopefully the defense is gonna be able to step up and not make it where you have to rely on your kicker to win the fucking game. Mike, I'm gonna let you go after this, but I just have to finish it out. Pete Bukowski, shut the fuck up.
01:18:31
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah, so yeah, and just a slightly correct here. So over his first six seasons, Crosby only had one season where he bettered Anders. He had like, I mean, when you play for 15 seasons, I think half his seasons were better than were.
01:18:47
Mike __kawanomike_
So he has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
01:18:49
iowa_joe
I think they were only just slightly better though, weren't they? They were just only in like 82 or 83% or something.
01:18:55
Mike __kawanomike_
So yeah, he has the, so 19, he had the 91% season, 2020 he had the 100% season.
01:18:59
iowa_joe
And that was his, yeah.
01:19:00
Mike __kawanomike_
and Yeah. And then, but then otherwise he only beat Anders one, two, three, four, five. five So half his, you know, seven out of his 15 years as the Packers kicker, he had a better percentage.
01:19:16
Mike __kawanomike_
And so, yes, Anders needs to be better. There's no, there's no question about it. people that are pointing at the extra point thing yes he needs to be better on those but also the extra point was a gimme when mason started and he missed a couple of those you know he missed two of them over his first five seasons when the thing was you know getting snapped from the two yard line and and then the whole part about yeah okay so everyone is you know it happened you can't deny that it happened that he missed the kick against the 49ers but
01:19:54
Mike __kawanomike_
The conversation would be so much different if Lafleur goes for it on fourth down and doesn't get it. And then um yeah know you would have the smattering of like, oh, he didn't trust his kicker. you know And that would kind of be weighed out by like, no, he went for the kill shot kind of thing. But the conversation would be so much different if, for whatever reason, Anders doesn't kick that kick, the 49ers go and score, and then Green Bay doesn't get a chance to score again.
01:20:25
Mike __kawanomike_
Everyone is conflating the fact that his last kick was a miss into he's completely untrustworthy and yada yada yada. Mason, yes, he ended his career as one of the best playoff performers, you know, he kicked a shade under 89%. But, um,
01:20:44
Mike __kawanomike_
after the Super Bowl season, um with eight you know and he only kicked it eight times over the first um four seasons of his career, because he you know he only played in like seven playoff games, but he was at, what is that? one So he was at 75%. So, um you know,
01:21:06
Mike __kawanomike_
one kick doesn't make or break a career. And that's the whole point here is that it's one season. Everyone is magnifying on one kick to make or break his career. Do I fully trust Anders? No. and honestly i Honestly, I didn't fully trust Mason either his whole career because of the stuff we talked about where it was like, is it the start of a snowball? is it the you know And 2012 was just like, oh my God, like why are there were so many, Mike, why are we even kicking here? like Just go for it. Especially because Rogers was at the peak of his superhuman powers as a quarterback at that point.
01:21:44
Mike __kawanomike_
And then even in 2018, you had the game where you just, in Detroit, where you just felt bad for him, and you were pissed at McCarthy for a different reason, where it's like, he is lost. He is lost, and you're having him go and try to kick more 50-yard field goals, like might just fucking do anything, punt, like just punt, like, and that's where it's like, like I said,
01:22:08
Mike __kawanomike_
it's the unless you have like a fucking vinitary tucker or i'm totally blanking the guy that the patriots have who took over for vinitary unless you have one of those guys you you just never fully trust your kicker because it's like at some point those guys always let you down Cowboys fans, Chargers fans, Vikings fans, will never trust a kicker the whole extent of their their play their fandom career, you know their time as an NFL fan. And it just kind of comes with the territory. And so, like you said,
01:22:48
Mike __kawanomike_
I think they're kind of stuck in their position because I do think it's, you know, no one thinks about it like this, but kickers is kind of like quarterbacks where there is a deficiency of good kickers to put in the league. There are like 10 good kickers. There's like three two to three quote unquote elite kickers at any one time in the NFL. Then there's a handful after that that are really good.
01:23:12
Mike __kawanomike_
And then after that, it's like we're surviving. I do think Anders is at the upper edge of that and trying to bust his way into, okay, this guy's a solid kicker. And not to say that I'm like afraid to find out if they can find that, but I just don't know if you're gonna find that on the doorstep of the regular season. And that's where it's like,
01:23:38
Mike __kawanomike_
I think that, I think honestly, like I said, unless you have one of these guys, like a Tucker or whatever, who's just like a shoe in for, you know, not a shoe in, but like is going to have hall of fame talks as a kicker, as a specialist in the NFL.
01:23:53
Mike __kawanomike_
I just don't think you can feel confident in your you know like you're like okay he's good but like you know he might um even the Steelers they have um oh shoot what's his name um Bosworth who like is has been pretty good but every once in a while he goes like he's drunk out there trying to kick in Heinz field so it just is what it is you're kicking in Green Bay where half the season, the weather is just out the door. And I think you got to just kind of ride it out this season and see what happens. Now next year, we can have a referendum of, yeah, they need to go they need to bring in better multiple options. But I think this year, you've just got to see what you've got. I think Anders has, like you said, in training camp, he's been better than Joseph.
01:24:38
Mike __kawanomike_
And I do think that he showed it enough last year where you're kind of like, there's still something there that you hope Basachi can turn the corner on. The Orzic angle where it's like, if you'll just snap the fucking ball straight more consistently, that'll make a difference. And you count on Anders being better. You count on the operation being better. Nothing on Wieland. Wieland just keep putting the ball down, baby. And yeah, you just see. And like I said,
01:25:04
Mike __kawanomike_
If at mid-season you gotta to make a change, end of the season you gotta to make a change, so be it. But I do not think that Anders is going to be the thing that keeps them from getting where they want to get to. that's And that's my point, is like...
01:25:18
Mike __kawanomike_
they have it's the devil you know and i know that sounds really harsh after i've just said like you you've gotta like just bet on him but he's the devil you know versus the devil you don't know who at this point are all kickers who have been cut many times even kade york who came into the nfl as one of the like touted kicking prospects in a decade kind of thing he He hasn't been able to find the spot. The team that drafted him, the Browns, have brought him back and forth.
Green Bay's Kicker Options
01:25:44
Mike __kawanomike_
And even he's not there any more than to be um insurance for, um ah shoot, the guy who was the Florida State kicker. I can't think of his name right now. But even he doesn't have a guaranteed spot. So yeah, it's it just shows how of an inexact science this thing is. And Green Bay's just got a
01:26:03
Mike __kawanomike_
batten down the hatches this season and just trust in their development and Bisaccia that Anders is going to be better this season.
01:26:11
iowa_joe
And to go on to Pete's point, you're going to continue to hear the Mason Anders comparisons just because that's who Packer fans have to compare him to.
01:26:24
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:27
iowa_joe
Let's play this out.
01:26:27
Mike __kawanomike_
There's not a lot of Packer fans who will remember the name Dave Raynor or have seen Ryan Longwell kick. So yeah, that's where we're at.
01:26:36
iowa_joe
And it doesn't matter what other team's kickers are doing to compare him to.
01:26:40
Mike __kawanomike_
Yeah.
01:26:40
iowa_joe
I mean, yeah they don't kick at Lambeau Field.
Podcast Housekeeping and Engagement Encouragement
01:26:45
iowa_joe
So, again, Pete Bukowski, shut the fuck up.
01:26:54
Mike __kawanomike_
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iowa_joe
Definitely.
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01:28:38
Mike __kawanomike_
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