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Week 14 I Ain't Afraid of No Bears
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The Packers took down the Bears (again), and we’re breaking down every beautiful moment of it. In this episode, we dive into Jordan Love’s big plays, the turning points that swung momentum Green Bay’s way, and how the defense kept Chicago in check. We talk standout performances, what this win means for the playoff picture, and of course… we sprinkle in a little Bears-related comedy because, well, tradition.
Grab a seat, hit play, and celebrate another chapter in Packers-Bears history — the good kind. 🧀💚💛
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Transcript
Intro
Packers' Victory Celebration
00:00:19
Speaker
Packers fans out here to stay, cheeseheads green and gold all day Jordan love lead us to the bay, every game we find a way Green Bay hustle, grind it up, hit the field we dope bluff Touchdown dances, feel the love, Jordan's got that MVP stuff It's time for, oh let's go, Packers bringing that show It's for all you know, green and gold gonna glow Lambeau Field, our sacred ground Feel the vibe, hear the sound Packers fans so loud and proud Jordan Love, he's wearing the crown Lambeau Field, our sacred ground Feel the vibe, hear the sound Packers fans so loud and proud Jordan Love, he's wearing the crown
00:01:16
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers edition but podcast.
Analysis of Packers' Performance
00:01:22
Speaker
And setting the tone properly, Iowa Joe and I are live following the Packers 28-21 win over the Chicago Bears as they set themselves up in first place in the NFC North down the stretch run.
00:01:36
Speaker
Joe, we were just talking in a second ago. i was getting here in the nick of time, just like the Packers securing that win. And Joe, we're both going off with slight headaches because of this game. And I'm just glad they got the win. That's all I've got to say about it.
00:01:52
Speaker
Well, this is all I got to say about it. The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck.
00:02:02
Speaker
They really, really, really, really suck. Yes, the Bears still suck. Yes, they do. yeah Yeah, so I mean... Yeah, go for it. Sorry. The first half was crazy. I mean, they looked like there was...
00:02:24
Speaker
it would look like basically the Vikings game all over again. And then the second half just, I don't know what happened, but you know, they, they, they, they squeaked it out and oh yeah, I don't know.
00:02:40
Speaker
I don't know how to feel. I'm happy it's a win, but I'm still like that. That just showed some glaring holes still. Yeah, like we'll we'll get into it when we get into the the segments, but that one leaves a little bit, like I agree with you, it leaves a little sour taste in your mouth and it puts a lot of the weight into the, that better have been that way because you were keeping stuff in the bag for two weeks from now and trying not to blow your wand in the first meeting and then, you know, having you playing Indian poker when you guys come back for the rematch in Chicago in a couple of weeks. But
00:03:16
Speaker
can't complain you know too much about that you know you you did it not yeah this game is gonna be the shining example of doing enough to get a win I do think the Packers outplayed the Bears they forced them to play the type of game that the Packers would prefer to play you know that's the the benefit of getting up 14 to 3 in the first half with some hiccups along the way and Yeah, I didn't care for the bleed the clock out through the whole second half approach. you know
00:03:47
Speaker
I don't think LeFleur totally turtled or anything like that, but it was just a lack of execution in the second half that almost cost them at the end. But history gets written by the victors. And right now, it's a Packers win. Yeah.
00:04:06
Speaker
yeah This was your breakout the big plays, breakout the unexpected plays. You kind of got both of those on the same right before halftime when you have Bo Melton scoring a deep touchdown pass.
Christian Watson's Standout Game
00:04:19
Speaker
But before we unveil everything, let's get into – excuse me. Let's get into our segments, Joe. Mmm, cheese.
00:04:30
Speaker
i This one – You would think you'd have so many easy ones to talk about with a win. But I think the main low hanging fruit is the Christian Watson a game.
00:04:46
Speaker
You know, four catches on 89 yards for 89 yards, two TDs with the long of 41. You know, they so like like I said to open, they they seem to really be driving in the first half where they looked unstoppable.
00:05:04
Speaker
Not so much in the second half, so he kind of disappeared a little bit towards you know the second half just because of how they were uh don't know play calling or however you want to put it maybe the bears defense did do some adjustments that that kept them in check but overall yeah watson had probably one of his best games again this year.
Reid's Impact on Offense
00:05:33
Speaker
It's hard to believe that these guys are building week to week on, on you know, one week we're saying it's the best game, the next week we're saying it's their best game.
00:05:41
Speaker
And so just hopefully that can keep building on throughout the remainder of the season. Yeah, and I think what you really like about Watson's game today is that it's not like he just caught two goal balls or anything like that for his touchdown. You know, in the first touchdown, he casts nice, you know, he it's against cover zero, basically.
00:06:00
Speaker
Breaks over the middle on a post route. He's isolated on Kevin Byard. and you know, Kevin Byard's been really opportunistic with interceptions this season, but when he's had to do anything, not just mop up crappy throws, it's like, yeah, there's a dude who's passed his expiration date. And then on the second touchdown, he left everyone's favorite, this guy's going to turn our defense into into a a into a playoff contender, C.J. Gardner-Johnson. And...
00:06:29
Speaker
what's it called? Watson just absolutely left him in the dust on a slant route. Basically, it's a slant route, a slant switch release route. And yeah, True North is here exposing our notes under the table. But, you know, you picked Watson. I'll go with Reid. First off, it was just really good to see Reid get into the flow of a game, get through the game healthy, look like, you know, it wasn't like, oh, the foot dogged him at some point or the shoulder is tender and he's not ready for contact at any point. like I know everyone goes, like, oh, my God, he got three early touches in the game. You know, like, they really were scheming up that first drive to get Reid back in the flow of things. And then it was kind of a lull. And then he catches a third down conversion in the third quarter. And everyone's like, oh, he still lives. and he gets a reverse, like, to kind of cap his day off.
00:07:19
Speaker
And it was just really good to see that... level of playmaking back in the offense. And it's something they've really needed after Kraft got injured. You know, you you have a bunch of different kind of so you have a collective Swiss Army knife in the receiver room and.
00:07:36
Speaker
It's just really good to see them get all of those back in working order, especially because Kraft isn't coming back this season. Reid gives this this offense another dimension and it gives defenses another thing to have to game plan for.
00:07:50
Speaker
caught all of his real target. Yeah, they didn't even like love had the one throwaway that was sort of in Reed's direction, but they didn't.
00:08:00
Speaker
Oh, the problem with live TV. Mike Kawano's internet strikes again. so just kind of a fill in time until he gets his his stuff figured out yeah reed had an amazing game for his first game back you know the ender rounds look pretty good for him
00:08:26
Speaker
oh perfect for the live show but yeah yeah uh but you know the ender rounds were schemed up well for him the the The catches were pretty
Team Strategy and Player Roles
00:08:39
Speaker
good. That one for the first down conversion where Jordan just kind of, it looked like an oops out. Maybe I'm trying to throw it out, but it somehow landed just perfectly for Reed to get his mitts on it and you know kind of was was able to keep it in hand before going out of bounds and getting the first down. And I want to address the rumors here. I do occasionally have nodes, so shut up true north.
00:09:08
Speaker
just so it's, it It was. It was a good, and he had, he took some hits. So, you know, you you can tell he was back in his groove on those things. And yeah, he didn't, i again, just kind of reiterate what I was saying with Watson.
00:09:25
Speaker
It just seemed like there towards the second half, they were scheming away from, you know, calling plays away from those type of things. So Mike just dropped out again,
00:09:37
Speaker
but all the, the amazing technologies we have, but so it's good to see, oh obviously keep
00:09:54
Speaker
keep going, keep going. Obviously it's going to be one of those things where I kind of mentioned it in the preview where now that we're starting to get a full complement of of guys back, it's going to be fun to see how they use them all and spreading the ball around a little bit more.
00:10:18
Speaker
Now, the downside of it is, you know, and we could probably put this in a stale when we get to it, but we didn't see anything of Dontavian Wicks really today. So... that's gonna be a downside of things going forward.
00:10:33
Speaker
Yeah, I do have to give a shout out to Musgraves. I do think he had that catch. I think he just got screwed over by bad angles from the cameras. To me, it looked like the his his hand was under the ball all the way and yeah, I don't get, i don't know.
00:10:53
Speaker
we'll We'll touch on some of that shit later because I definitely have some things to go off on it. Same thing. I agree with you there. I think that basically everyone who got targeted today came through. you know We'll give a give another shout out to Bo Melted. you know Everyone's been like, what's he doing out there? Why
Jordan Love's Performance Review
00:11:12
Speaker
is he still a part of the offense? And it all came together today against a division opponent. it And you know you saw it last week. You almost saw it last week in Detroit where Love was just trying to be a little too perfect with his throw. And then today he comes through and puts it,
00:11:29
Speaker
Just about in the perfect spot. I'm sure if we're like being super tiki-taki, would love to have led him. Love would really wanted to have led Melton across the field a step more just because Brisker did have an opportunity to rake that ball out. But I mean, under pressure, the The ultimate comedy of that play is that Chicago sends seven and doesn't get there, doesn't really even get close, and love just has time to just pick like, all right, cool. Nice, nice blitz Chicago. I got this for you. i got this for you in my back pocket.
00:12:02
Speaker
And from there, we'll just go into Jordan's day. Yes, I know he had the interception. it wasn't a bad decision, to speak. You know, I would have liked him to just hit Brooks on the check down on that play because it's third and...
00:12:17
Speaker
19 or whatever it is and you're trying to fit a ball to golden between you know over the underneath coverage defender and before the safety can crash on it i understand where he's going with it and i do think it just i don't think it's a matter of he didn't see gardner johnson i think he just thought i can get it there so don't love that throw too much but basically everything he else he did on uh during the game was pretty much spot on. Like I said, the the touchdowns to Melton and Watson were different kinds of my guy is running away from coverage, so I just have to throw him
Offensive Strategy and Key Plays
00:12:52
Speaker
slightly open. And then the one to watch the second touchdown to Watson is just in the exact spot it needs to be so Watson can catch that ball in stride and just take off across the field because there's, again, no one there because Chicago is in desperation, like run bli run past blitz cover or alignment.
00:13:11
Speaker
And so even on the drive, since she kind of brought that up since you call us, did you catch that it was a love decision on that? He made that. car on the yeah Yeah, it's absolutely an RPO look. And the most important thing I got out of that is, well, obviously the most important one is they connected and it got you a touchdown, but I really like that they went downfield on one of these RPO. You know, you didn't throw something behind the line of scrimmage, get a chance for a negative play or anything like that. You just love thought he saw, you know, he's probably looking at it thinking this is going to be the same thing that I got on the touchdown to Melton. And he did. And and so he's like, all right, all right, Christian, we're doing or really everyone. He's like, we're doing this combination route and it's
00:13:58
Speaker
it, Domovsky had the dot thing and I'm not even gonna bother trying to pull it up right now because my internet is being wonky, but it looked like some form of dragon where it's like a double slant with it out and you get the, you get Watson on a switch release to get him inside and either force Chicago to switch up the coverage or in this instance, Gardner Johnson can't cut cut off the route. He has to play it up as straight as he can and he's giving up Watson inside leverage and Watson, like I said, he just runs away from him.
00:14:27
Speaker
I was kind of surprised Gardner Johnson didn't try to cut his legs out after the catch, and he just kind was, like, content to run parallel to him. But what a shame. Like, totally worked out for the Packers.
00:14:39
Speaker
And other than the interception, no no other negative worthy plays. I know he took the sack before the interception, but that's part of Belton needing to be a little bit better in pass protection love Maybe could have thrown it away somewhere, but when you get a guy thrown into your lap and you bo you have to bounce off that offensive player that that offensive lineman, your your internal clock is screwed up already at that point, and he's just like...
00:15:07
Speaker
okay, I got it away from the initial wave is somewhat open now. And I think when he was trying to make that determination of where he could go with the ball is when sweat got around Walker and got there for the sack. So can't really do much about that one. That's one of those. It just sort of is what it is plays.
00:15:22
Speaker
And yeah, You know what? Like I said, I want to see more when they play again in Chicago, but they did a lot of good and it was more than enough. I don't want to say more than but it was enough against this bridge. You covered like you covered the spread that a lot of people were like bears are the number one T and then FC and how, how, why are they being disrespected like this going into Lambeau and they're all full touchdown that, that spread sounds too big kind of thing and stuff. And,
00:15:53
Speaker
If Green Bay plays, executes just a little better here and there, this is a laugh or blowout, I think, because it it was teetering that way at halftime and you just couldn't execute coming out of the half and it allowed Chicago, the the breathing room to not have to change up their offense too much to stay in the game.
00:16:12
Speaker
Now, I'm going to disagree with you. And I know that's weird that we we disagree with each other on something, but I think the way I saw it, I think Jordan could have made a play on the sack, whether it was to throw away or i just kind of, I'd have to go back and watch it, but I do think he had a check down that he could have hit.
00:16:35
Speaker
But i do i do agree eve that once you get somebody thrown in your lap, it kind of everything. But I think that is what led to the interception because I think panicked.
00:16:47
Speaker
I think once he took that sack, he panicked on on the next play, and that's what hurt him because that ball hit hit him right in the – hit the DB right in the chest. And yeah there's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. That that was a messy situation. and And I think that really killed a little bit of the momentum because then after that, they they kind of came back a little – conservative, but not overly conservative until he got like back into his rhythm.
00:17:18
Speaker
And so, yeah, but other than that, yeah, he had a hell of a game. Still better than what Caleb Williams put up. He was 1725, 234 with three touchdowns in the interception and took one sack. And I do have to say, i can't i think it was Aaron Alice that said it or something, that Jordan's got to be leading the league in most yards lost on a sack because it seems like he's always losing like 14-plus yards when he when he gets sacked.
00:17:54
Speaker
It's a mechanism of he takes some... yeah And what's it called? QB school goes... JT O'Sullivan goes over it a lot where he's like... he's always kind of like under his breath saying like i am shocked that you know this route is usually a three-step drop and they turn it into a five this is usually a five and they make it a seven and he's like seven and he makes it a ten yeah he yeah yeah and and it's not that he's patting the ball or anything like that and i i do think it's a function of jordan has a strong arm so he's like let me get as far back from my line as possible so i can see everything just a little clearer but
00:18:33
Speaker
Yeah, it it's one of those where it works way more often than
Game Outcome and Future Focus
00:18:38
Speaker
it is a problem. But in the times where you're beat, because of how far you are away from your offensive line, if someone gets through, you don't have... you know like look rogers One of Rodgers' things is like he would like run guys back into blockers kind of thing because he's like... And and the A gap was right there to run. The A or B gap was right there to escape out of. Whereas Love, it's like, he should run, but you're like, he's running from like eight yards back in the backfield. And it's like, it's like oh, by the time he gets there, two defenders have like crashed from downhill kind of thing. but
00:19:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's one of those little idiosyncrasies of how the offense works under him. And like you said, he's so good at avoiding sacks. But yeah, those one or two times, it's like, holy shit, they just lost 15 yards on a routine sack or something like that. But, you know, you gotta give some, take some. But today, the Packers took more than they gave. And that's what you want if you're a fan.
00:19:37
Speaker
True North says a lot of chirping in this game and I do agree and that's something I want to talk about later. Yeah. Yeah. Inigbari played good. True North throwing in the fresh cheese of Inigbari. Yeah, he played well. I did see some people say, well, that means he's going to get another contract. And it's like, I don't know if that guarantees him another contract.
00:20:01
Speaker
I mean, they're obviously going to think it guarantees someone will pay him, but I don't think Green Bay is going to. they If there was interest in trading for him, there's going to be a ton of interest in signing him this offseason. But that's something that we'll jump into later when it comes to that time. But, yes, he had a hell of a game. I think he was the one that had the only sack on and Williams. had the cleanup after Parsons pushed him up in the pocket.
00:20:28
Speaker
Yeah, and then he he he did some good things in the in the run game. He's the one forced the game-ending fourth down play. He scrapes over top and knocks the shit out of Monongai.
00:20:41
Speaker
You know, like, everyone's going to – everyone's gonna belly hole it and stuff but the first half defense was excellent today that's what i mean they were amazing and then just like in the second half everything and like yeah like there was the point before the final touchdown drive where look at any packers reporter whether they're they're highlighting that green bay only had 10 plays or the discrepancy was like plus 22 plays for chicago that's what's gonna kill you know yeah momentum, I don't buy into that and stuff like in-game momentum swings, whatever, but time of possession, it is like today's game was the the definition of time of possession doesn't mean shit until it does because Green Bay absolutely owned time of possession in the first half.
Game Dynamics and Challenges
00:21:25
Speaker
I think first quarter, it was like two to one basically. And then, you know, it was a little bit closer to like 60-40 in the second quarter.
00:21:32
Speaker
And then in the second half, it was like Green Bay had the ball for what felt like two minutes, right? Even their touchdown, the first touchdown drive was four plays, I think, and and you know it was a quick drive.
00:21:43
Speaker
But so... yes, the Packers' defense needs to get off the field when they can. And at the same time, it's like, I understand why they're tired because, one, Chicago or the Packers' offense, like I said, just refuses to go up three scores in the flow of a game on an opponent. And therefore, Chicago could lean on its run game and, like, literally lean on it on our defense. And then you're trying to stop their rushing attack.
00:22:10
Speaker
while your defensive ends are also getting gas chasing Williams around the backfield. And it's just a recipe for potential disaster. And luckily the Packers offense, like I said, they did enough to put four touchdowns on the board, probably could have had more, but you know, 28 should win you most games in the NFL when you're playing any sort of passable defense.
00:22:31
Speaker
the the Green Bay defense did its work early bought the off, you know, like that's the thing is it's like it is one of those where you're like, OK, we have 21, but we've been at 21 for a long time or we've been at 14 for a while, guys. Like, let's get it together. But, you know, everyone's going to want to complain about the second and half defense, but you can't not recognize what Halfley's unit did in the first half.
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah. And I've said that the whole time that it just they they did amazing things yeah and yeah true north says bears also made some key plays to stay on the field in the second half that's true but there's also something that i again i want to get into later on when we start talking about things that kept the bears into it a little bit more than it should have but Yeah, I mean, I can't fault the defense on anything really except there towards, like I said, the second half. they just And like you said, they were gassed. i will admit that. They were gassed by it for chasing everybody around. But it what was still hurting them was so something that we talked about all season, all offseason.
00:23:46
Speaker
and The secondary, we you know you could see that there were gaps in the secondary and even a quarterback like Caleb Williams was able to take advantage of some of those things. you know and the tight ends were hurting a little bit more than anything else. you know would have hated to see what would have happened had Odunze been able to play today.
00:24:13
Speaker
Because that would have given Caleb and even more of a target outside of just DJ Moore and and your Michigan dude, Leveland.
00:24:25
Speaker
of so i know that's hindsight 2020 i know that's you know what you know like like the saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle you know it just you can play the if games all you want but it's something that is worried and now i'm not going to say like every you know the hot heads were there for a while oh well nixon needs to be cut nixon needs to be this nixon the I think it's more that Halfley was still trying to do a little bit of what we complained about during the Washington game and a little bit about the Dallas game and and a couple other games where he was playing a little bit of soft zone. Yes, he was using a lot more of the linebacker blitzes and stuff like that, but you like on one of the big catches there towards the end,
00:25:23
Speaker
Carrington passes off the receiver to the next level and McKinney isn't able to get there in time to stop the ball so it goes for a bigger gate than what it should have.
00:25:39
Speaker
So
00:25:41
Speaker
that's what hurt a little bit more but like i said overall i'm not going to fault the defense on anything it's just there's nothing that they're going to be able to do about it at this point in the season You know, you're just going to have to live with some of it, and it's going to cause some close games like this. Bullard, yes, definitely. but I think Bullard is really stepping into the True North chimed in with fresh cheese, Javon Bullard.
00:26:08
Speaker
i think Bullard's really stepping into his role. They did have Hobbs out there today for a little bit, but it ended up Bullard played more than Hobbs. And...
00:26:20
Speaker
You know, I think give Bullard one more year and he's going to be that utility guy that they're going to be able to use. I know all the talk is on Evan Williams, rightfully so. All the talk is on Evan Williams.
00:26:33
Speaker
But I think give Bullard another year and and he's going to be that guy that you can throw out there as either a deep safety, a box safety, whatever you need him to be, and he's going to be able to do it.
00:26:46
Speaker
Yep. They're... need all those pieces because like you said they're the more that you can cover up for the fact that your corners are okay that you need all of that so and we said going into this game your offense has to be your best defense in these kind of matchups and i like the the highs that we saw i just think we should have and need to see more of them but Otherwise, i thought special teams had a decent day. I know we had the penalties on the one wheeling punt and then you know he he hit a really nice one and then he kind of like hooked it on the neck on the the re-kick and stuff.
00:27:26
Speaker
But otherwise, I thought special teams was pretty solid today. Then you had the McManus dumb mistake. Yeah, well, you know you know my thoughts on that. He is a dumb mistake, honestly, at this point, but that's neither here nor there. oh But to each their own. And yeah, like like I said, I will revise. i think we're both kind of here. We'll revise how we feel about really both Halfley and LeFleur in two weeks because...
00:27:56
Speaker
LaFleur kind of said it, this quiet part out loud on Monday that it's like, yeah, like if we can win this game without having to do too many things, that would be ideal. And
NFC North Lead and Future Challenges
00:28:07
Speaker
it it like you said, it did sort of have the feel that it's like, I'm going to show a couple things, but those couple of things are, hey, Jaden's back. And yeah.
00:28:18
Speaker
kind of keep some of the Ferrari hidden in the garage at this point. But like I said, we'll see, you know, they got a tough test coming up in Denver this week. Who's I'm kind of glad they're riding high on like 10 straight wins or whatever the fuck they're at. But, you know, yeah.
00:28:36
Speaker
it The road gets no lighter for the Packers moving forward. Like, now you've taken the NFC North, you've got to keep that positioning. So no rest for the weary and same kind of mentality. We'll just get through to our next section in the program.
00:28:51
Speaker
Do you got any more freshers or you ready to move on? I don't really have a ton of stale, so do you have anything stale? Uh...
00:29:00
Speaker
I have one I can talk about, but I don't really have any. Yeah, go for it. What's this still shit? And it's Romeo Dobbs.
00:29:11
Speaker
And I don't think it's anything on Romeo, his play itself. It just, for some reason, it seems like they're beginning to start the phase out of Romeo.
00:29:22
Speaker
And because today, what, he only had one target? Two, I think. Because you had the thing. You have the roll. There was that play where Love rolled out to his left and he like just missed him on third down. And then there was a deep shot.
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah. He had two targets. That deep shot was what it was. i don't think that's Romeo's game to take those deep shots with. Again, that's something we're going to talk about in the moldy section because I really am not happy with today's game in certain aspects.
00:29:56
Speaker
But... I don't know. It just really feels like this was the game that they started the phase out of Romeo because there're there were hardly any targets.
00:30:07
Speaker
He did get the. Yeah, we're getting there, true. We're getting there. Just just take hold your horses here. But they they really.
00:30:21
Speaker
It used to be that Romeo was the safety blanket. And now we're not even seeing that kind of thing anymore. So I don't know. I've got it in stale right now because I could just be jumping the gun on things. But it really does feel like this is the phase out portion of of of Romeo Dobbs.
00:30:46
Speaker
Yeah, I honestly, and this is someone who like wanted the Packers to draft Dobbs for two seasons, basically. I honestly expected at some point because I don't think they're signing him back unless someone falls into a hole at some point between now and March at the beginning of March, 2026.
00:31:04
Speaker
And it's kind of my reasoning that they had to phase him out at some point is the thing you brought up there. He's loves binky, you know, safety blanket, all that kind of stuff.
00:31:16
Speaker
it's It's one of those where i like the things Dobbs does well, but he's not good enough overall of a player where he has to play because he's like that guy. And they realistically should have other guys who are better at doing the things he does best. And you have to get those guys snaps in preparation for when Dobbs isn't here next year. 99% likely isn't be here next season.
00:31:45
Speaker
My still is one of those guys who is going to be here next season that didn't get to play like, and I'll pump the brakes on it because he was dinged up last week, but you know, he was having a career game in Detroit and that's not Davian Wicks.
00:31:57
Speaker
And we noted it in the recap game where it looked like he rolled his ankle a little bit on his first touchdown catch. And it was kind of, you could see them working on him the whole game on the sideline. And he was listed with the ankle this week in practice, but yeah,
00:32:14
Speaker
Wicks started with Watson and Reed as the three-receiver set coming out of, you know, when when the Packers got the ball back on their first possession. And then, as everyone on Twitter was saying, like, we haven't seen 13 since the first quarter.
00:32:29
Speaker
And, you know, it's one of those where I'm kind of like – And like I said, you got more than enough from Watson, Reed today. Like more than I was expecting them to from Reed, honestly. I really like what they're seeing from Watson.
00:32:44
Speaker
But it's like, okay. oh And I agree with you. They're definitely doing the phase out. But it's like, you got to get these snaps to whether it's Reed playing outside wide more often, or you're getting gold in those snaps, or...
00:33:01
Speaker
what's it called? You know, whether it's Wicks or Golden, like those are the guys you got to get in there. And I understand that, you know, we don't know how healthy or not healthy Wicks is. And Golden is in his first game back after missing a few, but,
00:33:15
Speaker
Yeah, it was kind of weird how they handled, like you said, the the mesh point on this one. And we'll we'll see how it goes in the coming weeks. you know I am glad they're not just like, oh, the playoffs started and we're not going to use Dobbs. But at the same time, it was a little weird how it was like, in a way, sort of half-assed in the sense that it's like, okay, Dobbs is not playing as much, but...
00:33:38
Speaker
What are we doing in the media? Like it it had that feel of like, okay, but what are we doing in the interim to meet these two points of like, Love really wants to look for Dobbs at every tough opportunity and he's not on the roster in 2026. And they they kind of just threw a dart between those two points and were like, this is how we're approaching it. And it was more towards the left than it was the right kind of thing. So yeah, well that's one, like I said,
00:34:04
Speaker
I put that in the same bin as like how much was LeFleur holding back for two weeks from now and how much was like, oh, he kind of just wanted to like wade through this one and, you know, play the ball control game and it almost bit him in the ass kind of thing. So we'll we'll see as we move forward on this one.
00:34:24
Speaker
Just to talk about a couple of things in the chat right now. uh gramance or however you want to pronounce your your name here we're going to talk about that here in a second uh and true i don't call him that that's not right i gotta put that off as it was cold and and you know everybody has a bad kick once in a while I mean, he like I said, he just banged one the kick before it, and then he had another punt where he puts it inside the 20 later on.
00:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. That's at the feet of Bisaccia. But also, that penalty will dovetail into a bunch of the stuff I know we're going to talk into in the next segment. So if you don't have anything, I don't have anything more, and we can move along. All right, just a second. I want to see what this is.
00:35:16
Speaker
Reed, Golden, first game back, gave some variety of plays, the diversity of the room. But Bo Melton having to make big plays as a two-way player didn't make much sense. That's the other thing that kind of throws in with the phase-out of Romeo Dobbs is you're going to start seeing other guys get – attention more. And I think that's what Mike and I are kind of talking about is them using these different options. It is starting the phase out process of Romeo Dobbs, which pretty much means he's not going to be re-signed unless, like Mike said, somebody completely drops off the face of the earth or for some reason somebody doesn't hand him a medium to big contract in the offseason.
00:36:03
Speaker
But yes, we can go ahead and move on to our complete
Officiating Issues and Impact
00:36:07
Speaker
bitch session. such session I can't even talk. It's a moldy cheese. i So this, I know we've kind of harped on this all frigging season so far, it seems like. But this game was absolutely awful when it came to officiating. And one of the main things that I knew the this officiating was going to be shitty was...
00:36:32
Speaker
On one play, it was Darnell Wright hooked Rashawn Gary, and they called the flag. On the next play, the this wasn't even like 10 plays later. This was on the exact next play.
00:36:47
Speaker
Darnell Wright did the same exact thing to Micah Parsons, and there was no flag called. that right there told me how this was going to play out for the for the rest of the game on top of that yes there was a lot to go back to true's comment about the chippiness today that goes into the chippiness too because it seemed like the packers were getting the shaft on those uh those calls because even the floor was heated i mean if you could read lips you could see what he was saying after the the one queshawn penalty because you know he didn't really do anything outside of push the guy away and and the bears player you know like palm struck him right in the chin
00:37:42
Speaker
Well, that that may not be a closed fist punch, but I don't know if you've ever been in a fight and had a palm strike right to the chin. That hurts. so and And that's what I mean. Grimminz nailed it. but It just seemed like all through the game it was the same shit. And then they would like zoom in on it when Micah was getting held and you could see automatically he was getting held, but no calls were getting. I still go back to when Micah
00:38:14
Speaker
oh micah called out the reffing. What was that week four week five or something like that? Yeah. And ever since then he has not gotten a call called for him since.
00:38:30
Speaker
And I get the Cowboys fans know the feelings on this, that, you know, he's going to get that because that's the type of player he is, is that they're going to not call it on him because of whatever. But that doesn't make it right.
00:38:45
Speaker
that yeah You know, you can't you've got a guy in m Miles Garrett that is going for the single season sack record that, you know,
00:38:57
Speaker
isn't getting no calls as many times as Micah Parsons is. Could you imagine the sack numbers Micah would have if he wasn't getting held 90% of the time he's on the field?
00:39:10
Speaker
Yep. it's It's frustrating. It's so frustrating. And like Aaron Alice pointed out like, oh, you guys can see the long snapper make a marginal hold and you can't see Parsons getting snake ripped.
00:39:24
Speaker
And then the other one that was terrible was when Evan Williams comes on the blitz and DeAndre Swift is just... yeah Yeah, please have this dance with me moment. like And it's like, they're like, oh, like he's got to fight. like Yeah, you want Evan to like break through that or like hold on to Caleb so he can't break the pocket. But he literally can't wrap up because his other arm is being held on like a toddler begging for candy. And my moment for this game when...
00:39:56
Speaker
when they when Rolstadt did not at all explain why they ruled it incomplete. like Yeah. And I know that Bears fans and non-Packers fans are going to say, he said it hit the ground. was like, when?
00:40:11
Speaker
like you should like for you to over to to make any kind of overturn like you should have to give a short soliloquy on why and like i i i had a couple back and forth with a couple different people where i said like we obviously didn't get a camera angle they did and some people said like no like nfl is different than college where they have to show all the camera angles kind of thing and stuff and then The only explanation I could come up with was they had to have ruled because there's no angle where when Evan rips the ball from Loveland, there's no angle where you can see the ball hit the ground because the two players are like, they're like lawn chair folded over the football. So the only thing I could think of is that...
00:41:02
Speaker
they determined that after Evan took the ball away, he did not possess it long enough before Loveland slept it out of his hand, which is a load of bullshit, but also it's like, go but say that. Like, fucking say that. By the letter of the law, he had possession. He was down by contact. He didn't need Exactly. And that's my other feeling. I didn't even get there. Yeah.
00:41:24
Speaker
Yeah. And I said that on on on socials too, that by the letter of the law, that's a turnover. But we know how the reffing has been all season long. It's not going to end up that way. And that goes, there was a couple other ones like the Musgraves, no catch.
00:41:43
Speaker
There were no angles that I could see that really showed. Yeah. The only thing I can think of. The best angle, yeah somebody's head was in the way. The only thing I can think of is they overreacted to his left hand slipping off the ball.
00:42:00
Speaker
But like, this is the part that's so stupid about the NFL catch rule is they don't know how to litigate the part of the rule that says the ball can touch the ground if it doesn't move. And they don't know how to look at a replay. And when a hand comes off the ball,
00:42:20
Speaker
And this is what's so frustrating is they got it right in Detroit on the Wicks touchdown. but Musgrave does the same thing where yeah he's got it tight in his right hand.
00:42:32
Speaker
So it doesn't matter what his left hand does. And the ground doesn't ha help him catch the ball. And so it's absolute bullshit that like they just do the, oh yeah, it's overturned. It touched the ground. I'm like, that's not the rule. Like you have to give us...
00:42:48
Speaker
we deem that he lost possession when it touched the ground or something like that because he catches the ball in the air first. It's not like that's the thing is when you say it touched the ground, it makes it sound like you're ruling he trapped it, which is not what happened at all. He catches the ball before going to the ground. In the process of going to the ground, the ball can touch the ground so long as it doesn't pop loose of both hands. And the refs let only looked at his left hand, not his right hand.
00:43:17
Speaker
And it's just a shame because that was a really nice play that Musgrave made. Really great effort to stretch out and reel that one in.
00:43:25
Speaker
And I think that, you know... the I don't want to sit here and be the person that's like, we don't get any calls and stuff. But it's like, when you have two borderline overturns, whatever you want to call it in the challenge system, it shouldn't be like only one team benefits out of both times kind of thing. Like that, that to me is pretty bullshit that like you are being, trying to be so ticky tack about your implementation of the rules and what, like, why does only one team benefit from that action? so
00:43:59
Speaker
Because the Packers have momentum. Yeah, refs never learn how to do the fucking down by contact or forward progress. Like, the Bears have their ninth win in part because the refs didn't blow a play dead. And Nashawn writes, like, I didn't hear a whistle. So, I mean, yeah you know you had the two-point conversion where McKinney stones Manungay in the hole.
00:44:26
Speaker
Forward progress clearly stopped. And then two seconds later, two Bears players are like, it's still going. Let's push him kind of thing. And like I said, what's really fucking sad about that play is the NFL is not going to do anything about it until someone's leg gets broken in 4K and everyone can see it in 4K high definition. It's only at that point that they're going to go, oh oh, my God, because the NFL – to a T is the most reactionary rule changing league ever because oh why does the cowboy collar rule come into effect because Teal broke his leg on America's game of the week why is the landing why is the the low quarterback it because Tom Brady's ACL got blown out by by a by a blitzing defender crawling into him
00:45:13
Speaker
Why is the landing force rule in effect? Because too many of the wrong people were bitching and moaning when the Vikings broke Roger's collarbone. And then the NFL writes these rules and they don't know how to they don't know how to reconcile them in in in real effect. So like that's the problem is like,
00:45:34
Speaker
They're going to, like I said, it's going to take someone suffering a gruesome injury that they're like, oh, this is not the face of the NFL. We're going to litigate that out of the game. And then they're going to create so many more dumb situations because of it. But, you know, and... I've just come up with a way.
00:45:53
Speaker
Just to interrupt you on something. I just come up with a way that we could fix a lot of that. The whole pushing. The Packers need to come up with a play called the cheese toss. That's where one of the biggest linemen grabs the running back and just throws him over the the goal line.
00:46:09
Speaker
No, that is the one rule is you cannot pull a player. You can push, but you cannot pull. But they haven't stopped them because look how many times that when they get in the scrum, you'll see their own teammates grabbing them and dragging them in.
00:46:23
Speaker
But the rule set doesn't say that you can't throw them. You can't drag them, but you it doesn't say you can't just, huh.
Referee Responsibilities and Improvements
00:46:35
Speaker
And one of the ones you touched on is losing control of the game. This crew had no control over this game. We'll get into Nixon and his bonehead like plays and stuff like that, but...
00:46:49
Speaker
The stupid part of that penalty is it happens in an instance where the play ends, the refs try to step in and break up a kerfuffle, send the teams back to their huddles, and then there's still another kerfuffle happening 10 yards away, and it's like...
00:47:09
Speaker
what are you What are you five dingoes doing out there? Like, you have a job to, like, do certain things and stuff. And it's like the NBA where they're like, oh, they'll just start calling more fouls. I'm like, no, that's not your rule. Your rule is to, like – and when I say control a game, I know a lot of people are going to put their tinfoil hats on and be like the the NFL or whatever is rigged and stuff. But, no, what I mean is that between the whistles, you're supposed to, you know – Perform the duties that you make sure the rules of the game are being acknowledged outside of the whistle It's you go that way you guys go back to your huddle. That's it. No more foot, you know, no more shit is happening and this for like I said that thing that in that it resulted in Nixon getting the 15 yard penalty is 50% Nixon
00:48:02
Speaker
Being like he shouldn't have even gone over there. Like that's the thing. But the other 50% of it is like refs do your fucking job. And to go a step further, i have no clue why New York doesn't get involved in those situations, whether it's when guys throw the first thing and then blatantly flop after getting caught. whether it's instances like the one with Nixon where, like I said, I don't absolve him because he shouldn't have fucking been around that scuffle. But at the same time, it's like what he did was nowhere near what the the Bears player did to him multiple times in that exchange. So New York should be involved there. There should not be any more.
00:48:46
Speaker
Oh, they didn't catch the first guy like That stuff, that can't happen in the 4K. Like, it shouldn't have been happening in the 1080p or 720p era. But, like, the fact that now, like I said, you have officials who are able to chime in on, like, oh, like, he was short, or, oh, like, he didn't catch it, or, oh, this, whatever. Or the tap was, the pissed the pass was tipped, so there's no DPI and stuff. like Like I said, you had the penalty that, you had that one game last week, I think it was the Steelers and Bills one, where... The the ref is like in the middle of calling a penalty and then it's like, oh, we just got a call that no, the pass was tipped, no penalty, of the third down kind thing. It's like, you can go to all that route and then you can still have your commentator and color guy going, he didn't do anything, but look at what that guy on the other team did that probably pissed him off and stuff. And like I said,
00:49:43
Speaker
there is still responsibility on Nixon for going into that situation when he had no business, no reason to need to be there. And at the same time, it's like, like I said, NFL being the most reactionary thing ever,
00:49:57
Speaker
It's never going to be just fans complaining, teams complaining, whatever. It has to be something so embarrassing that the league... The fail Mary. The league said, fuck it. We don't need to pay refs what they think they're worth. We're good.
00:50:10
Speaker
And it took what? A moment so controversial and so stupid that they were like... oh shit there's no coming back from that pay the rest whatever the fuck they want and so like i said they're the definition of too little too late hindsight 2020 and then trying to try to what's it called trying to gaslight into telling you like oh no like we we knew like we we just have a process that we're going through and it's like what like like what
00:50:41
Speaker
So and they'll never do it. The NFL is way too cowardly to do this, but they should absolutely be doing what the ACC does and be broadcasting what New York is talking to the ref about when they're doing the review. Like,
00:50:55
Speaker
the USFL or the USL or UFL or whatever it is. I think they're doing it too. But the ACC's one is really good where like there is a clear like this is the ref on the field. This is wherever the ACC headquarters is. And they're like talking it out like, yes, I have high hit. But no, he didn't launch. The running back fell into him. And it was an unfortunate series of So no, no forcible contact. Therefore, no targeting or all. No, that guy had a chance to not hit the quarterback or whatever. like you can like The NFL will never do it because they have this fear that, oh my God, if we expose the refs, they're going to go on boycott on us. It's like, I'm sorry. Be better at your fucking job.
00:51:39
Speaker
Like... Don't it's it is the whole like in construction anyone who's in construction There is this clause in all contracts that it's like you are not responsible if the subcontractor or GC before you perform shoddy work But if you sit just motor through and say like I know this wall is crooked, but I have to install you and then You know on inspection at the end like oh, how come your stuffs wrong? Oh, it's because the walls crooked.
00:52:06
Speaker
Well, why didn't you say anything? So you have accepted the the you have accepted the prior condition That is a thing that's written into contracts for construction companies and the NFL is like we're not going to go that route because like, like it's fine. It's fine. It's totally fine. And like I said, it's going to take something so stupid, like a, I don't think even a play in the super bowl will get them to change. Cause they're like, Oh, it's an isolated incident. Like that's how, like I said, it has to be something where like a catastrophic injury of some sort is the outcome. The concussion protocol is in effect because they couldn't shove that stuff under the the mat anymore.
00:52:58
Speaker
On some level, I just say refs are going to be refs, but... The way that... like and Like I said, the most infuriating part for me is the thing Erin pointed out where she's like, you're not going to call moments where Parsons is clearly held, Evan Williams is getting dragged down by an arm by a running back, who we fucking know is shit in pass protection, dude. It's the whole, like, I say with the NBA, it's like, don't give the benefit of the doubt to players who suck on defense that they somehow made a great play kind of thing. Same thing in the NFL. It's like...
00:53:32
Speaker
That guy is a shitty pass blocker. Do not reward him for effort that we know he cannot do. But yeah, and then it's like, oh, but you're going to catch the long snapper for kind of getting his arm hooked on a guy on on a punt. Like, you can see you got three guys who are like, we're multiple flagging that. But it's like, you see Parsons getting chokeholded. And it's like, can't do anything about that. Go make a play, Micah. It's like, that's the part that pisses me off the most. so The reason I left this one up, this comment up so long from Brian is,
00:54:05
Speaker
I understand the players have to be a little bit more disciplined on those things. And yes, the rule is always the second guy always gets caught. But in the instance of Keyshawn, the first guy got caught.
00:54:21
Speaker
Because the guy was still... Keyshawn did his little shove or whatever. Then the Bears player did his open palm strike. Then the refs came over and then all a sudden flags start flying.
00:54:34
Speaker
And then that's when you see the floor throwing, throwing a fit over on the sideline saying he threw a fucking punch. He threw a fucking punch. And, uh, this isn't a college football show. True.
00:54:49
Speaker
But, yeah, I just I don't always agree with the second player is going to get caught aspect because that just makes it a lot easier for the first player to cause something, you know, because how many times do you see the whole the flops?
00:55:07
Speaker
I mean, there's flops in the NFL that would put NBA players to shame that it just. It's not right either way. If you see something happen, call it. Don't wait for that next person to do something before you call it. Just call it.
00:55:25
Speaker
and and the other one that i kind of wanted to say was the romeo deep shot that probably should have been interference because he did everything in the world to cause the dpi to be called yeah and that's what receivers are taught to do is to come back to the ball to get the call and he didn't get the call like And Nation Wright is doing nothing or not Nation Wright. It was 24. Whoever the fuck 24 is on the base.
00:55:56
Speaker
He's doing nothing to deserve not being flagged for the penalty. Like like I said, don't don't give benefit of doubt to guys who are not good football players. Like, not saying that I would feel any better if it was Jalen Johnson or something, but I could see a ref saying like, okay, Jalen Johnson, he's a good cover guy. Like, he must have just played it well kind of thing.
00:56:19
Speaker
And it's like, that guy doesn't look back for the ball he panics like he full-on when when romeo he can tell romeo's going up for that ball he panics and just blocks his left arm from going up and it's like what are you doing like that should have been just hallmark and it goes back to like i said refs don't know the rule book I go back to the Thanksgiving game and what did they call Keyshawn for was illegal contact when he has every right to the spot on the field and you cannot reward receivers for running into DBs when like they can run around them kind of thing. like If the DB wants to stand in a spot and you don't decide to run around them, that's your fault. as
00:57:05
Speaker
and on that deep shot it's like yes jordan throw it a little farther dobbs like maybe if you go up early or whatever kind of thing but it's like that's dpi like are that honestly this this is what i think happened is is Jordan saw what was good the hand fighting and that going on between the two of them. So he threw it short trying to draw the DPI, which quarterbacks are kind of taught to do is to throw it short to get the DPI call. And it should have been called DPI. But, you know, I guess the guy was cleaning his glasses or something when when the play happened.
00:57:43
Speaker
And if you watch that play, you can see the ref double clutch going for his flag. if you If you watch, the cameraman even kind of tracks towards the ref because I think the cameraman's like, we're getting a flag. And the ref kind of like, no. And he's like, incomplete kind of thing. And it's like,
00:58:01
Speaker
what are we doing here like that that's what this is where my conspiracy tinfoil hat can pop out and say the nfl's rigged because how much it would not surprise me had new york like radioed into his earpiece and said don't call it you know that that's where your tinfoil hat comes into place with that shit he yep but but I don't know. We could continue to rant on the refs all for another three hours. Are there any other moldies that you really want to get into? Because honestly, i said it early that even though the defense just kind of did what it did in the second half and the offense went conservative a little bit.
00:58:42
Speaker
there's not too much you can really complain about yeah like i said my only moldy one is like kishan you already gave him a free first down that drive like you need to not be getting yourself into because that that field goal drive for the bears he had two dumb ass pit penalties he gets the hands to the face that gives him a first down when we're about to be in third and like seven or eight kind of thing so that's three yards and then like i said You know, whatever you want to say about like, oh, the Bears guy did something worse than he did, whatever. I do think that kind of stuff should be reviewable because it's clearly like, not to say that like, no deed goes unpunished or whatever whatever that shit, but it's like, if someone kicks you in the nuts and you, like you're like you said, you get jacked in the throat, you're gonna react.
00:59:32
Speaker
And at the same time, like I said, Keyshawn had no business of being— The only reason I would have been okay with Keyshawn going over there is if all he does was go and grab Valentine by the back of his shoulder pads and drag his ass back to the auto. But to go over there and also start woofing at the same guy, that's not going to help your case kind of
Defensive and Offensive Strategies
00:59:50
Speaker
thing. So it's like— And I do think the refs kind of penalized him for— you know, if anything, they might have flagged Burden for what was going on between him and Valentine or just told both of them to shut the fuck up and go back to your huddle. But I do think there's part of the refs where they're human and they're kind of like, where the fuck did you come from and why are you here kind of thing? So they're kind of like, like 25 instigated when he didn't need to and stuff. And like, I kind of do feel like the refs will never admit it, but I do think that's part of the human. And I...
01:00:23
Speaker
Like I said, the refs are 50% to blame for that because they didn't have control of the game. They can't stop from getting up in their feelings about stupid shit. And then on the other side, it's like, Keyshawn, you've already gifted him a first down on this drive.
01:00:38
Speaker
Then you fuck up and give them more yards. And then later on, the touchdown that is caught, I don't even remember who the fuck caught it for the Bears. But it's like... The weird-ass name guy. Zacchaeus. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:00:53
Speaker
It's like, Keyshawn, just knock the ball down. He's trying to go for one of these like diving Charles Woodson interception. It's like, dude, just put your hands together. I get that, but I can't because he played that perfectly and his hands did touch it.
01:01:10
Speaker
It just, it I don't know. i that To me, and I'm being super critical on that, and yes, I'm probably piling i'm definitely piling on him for having two bonehead mistakes earlier in the game, but my whole thing is I'm like, it it it's one of those Hail Mary situations where it's like, just bat the ball down. Like, like don't don't try to do too much kind of thing. and so And you're already at full extension and all, and it's like, just bat it down. Like like you said, he got a hand on it, so it's like,
01:01:41
Speaker
If you're, and I'm like, if you're trying to catch it, why aren't your hands together? You're a fucking DB. So like, and like it's just one of those where I look at and I'm like, what the fuck are we doing here? But overall, like you said, I'm nitpicking with that one. and Yeah, I really do. Cause even Grimmins says, you know, that TD was as perfect as could be. I mean, i get what you're saying that he should have just swatted it But i don't know that.
01:02:12
Speaker
I don't know if he missed that pile on one. I'm more pissed off about the two penalties. And then like the constant yapping after plays when it's like you've already been called for unsportsmanlike or a personal foul. And it's like, just don't do that kind of stupid shit already. Like you've already been black marked by the refs and they're going to just they're not going to give you the benefit of the doubt after this point.
01:02:36
Speaker
makes the game ceiling interception so it's like yes some redemption but it's like you be still made two at least bonehead plays you got to do more than one redemption art kind of thing and stuff so other than that like i said these are gonna be because of how close these two games are this is gonna be sort of like over a distance grading in terms of that you know we said it during the the what is fresh and what is stale where it's like you know if lefleur comes out and has the same like laissez-faire bleed the game clock attitude then it's like all right matt you're back in the doghouse like what all the good stuff you did on thanksgiving it's like because
01:03:15
Speaker
my whole thing with the bears is you need to do whatever you can to go up three scores at some point in the game to make their run game irrelevant And it's like, and I can't fault him coming out of half because everyone's going to be like, oh, but I'm like, he took a shot play on first down. You know, they ran hard play action and tried to throw it.
01:03:35
Speaker
And then you just go three and out. after You know, some people will quibble with the run play on second down, but it's like, I'm not going to get on the floor too much because it's like he came out of the half and was ready to wing it down the field kind of thing. And they just couldn't execute the play. Same thing on the second down. My biggest complaint on the second down play is it's like stop running slow developing shit behind Rasheed Walker because he cannot sustain blocks in the run game to save his life. If you're going to do long, long developing shit, run right.
01:04:04
Speaker
Run right so you're pulling banks. You can send the tight end back the other way on the wham block. But it's like Run, run it all right at your beef and your best blocker in Tom. Like stop trying to be cute, like be right handed and be stop trying to be cute with your run game. But if you go by old fashioned football technique, your left tackle was never supposed to be your run blocker anyway. Right. But that's what I'm trying to run behind him. Like that's my thing is like, is like, so I'm trying to force it that way.
01:04:35
Speaker
and Oh, I have one that is one that's sort of like like a red flag, and it's more for like my state of mind than anything else. But I'm like, Jacob's turning that toss sweep thing into a first down and an explosive run first down.
01:04:52
Speaker
might i I was like, fuck, because now the floor is going to be like, it worked. It worked. And I'm like, no, it didn't. I tweeted this during the game. It fucking didn't work.
01:05:05
Speaker
Jacobs made four guys decide to make business decisions in the middle of a play where he was dead to fucking rights. That play, you watch the replay from behind, and Montez Sweat reads it the whole fucking way. He doesn't flow down the line of scrimmage. He doesn't react to the offense running zone blocking left. He's just like, all right, something's happening here. And he's on it, and the two second-level defenders crash, and it's like,
01:05:32
Speaker
Fuck! And in the middle of saying fuck, it's like, fuck yeah! like Because that play was so broken and dead. And I'm like, it worked! And I'm like, fuck, now he's going call it again! So it's it's a moldy because I'm like, that play should have been shot into the moon like five years ago. But now that it worked once... for And like I said, the result was good. But did it work? No.
01:05:58
Speaker
Like, it didn't...
Coaching Strategies and Team Direction
01:06:00
Speaker
jencobs didn't get 21 yards because everyone on the bears was like oh my god they're running left it was it was i was here and then i was there in the blink of an eye and you cannot build an offense off of that kind of results i want to get to this before we close out uh a grandma says go pack go And I'm thinking he means change in Wisconsin. Had there been any change in Wisconsin about MLF being on the hot seat, I live in Minnesota. Well, first, I'm sorry that you live in Minnesota. I've been there, didn't like it i you know I think they're better run than the state of Iowa, but yeah, I'm not a big fan of being in Minnesota. Those mosquitoes are like that frigging big. And I just, but,
01:06:48
Speaker
I think you're going to see fair weather fans continue to push the fire mat thing when when the Packers don't do what they think they should do.
01:07:01
Speaker
So if you're asking whether we think he should be on the hot seat, I think Mike and i both have said that we don't feel like this is the year he is on the hot seat. It may be getting a little lukewarm, but it's not quite toasty. But yeah you just got to, and I'm going to say this, even though, you know, we may be capped out at seven viewers on on on this live stream.
01:07:27
Speaker
if You got to watch who you follow when you, if you want to believe somebody's on the hot seat or not. Some of these guys are just putting that out there to clickbait, to get that hot take, to, oh, yeah, yeah, you know the rumors are I'm hearing is they're going to move on from them. We don't know anything.
01:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, I was able to translate the text. I know that I've definitely been more hot on the floor, like, you know, what are you doing and stuff. I, you know, I've gone so far as to say, like, maybe policy is right to, like, take it on a year by year state, you know, like that kind of thing, not extending. And that's the only thing we got to go by is that he said that, you know, he doesn't want to lame duck.
01:08:12
Speaker
Right. And I did say, like, i you know, it was the point where the Packers had, you know, what did I say going into this game was the Packers have been in this position twice before this season where they've come off two, you know, two or three big wins, and then they lay an absolute egg in the next game. So, you know, you open the season, know,
01:08:30
Speaker
Great wins over Detroit and Washington. Lay an egg in Cleveland. Then you bounce back after the the Cleveland loss and the Dallas tie. You get a two-score win over Cincinnati. You come back to beat the the Cardinals. And then you realistically blow out the Steelers on Sunday Night Football. And you lay two absolute stinkers against the Panthers and the Eagles.
01:08:53
Speaker
Worse off, it's your offense who screwed you in both those games. And like like i said... I was super frustrated with LaFleur, but even at that time, I said it would take them losing out November, like, and they would have to look awful on offense.
01:09:08
Speaker
And we've had this conversation too, where right now there's nobody that we could honestly, i mean, the joke that I put out there was the only way you're going to keep Halfley is if you show fire LaFleur and put Halfley in as the head coach. But I mean, it's too early. Even if he is and on the hot seat, it's way too early to even think about who who's going to who would take his place. And you got to remember when they fired McCarthy, LaFleur kind of came out of nowhere.
01:09:40
Speaker
Yeah. you know There was really no I think they were talking about how he could be the next big head coach or whatever. but That was like a year away kind of thing. It was like yeah his name is that his name just popped on the bottom of the top 10 list in that regard kind of thing. Yeah. and And especially when it came to being the Packers head coach, because we all figured that they would go swing for some big name guy or whatever. And it just when Matt LaFleur dropped, it was like, huh, interesting. i Yeah.
01:10:13
Speaker
No, yeah. And my only thing with that is I do agree that, you know, it's it's hard to say, like, who's the surefire? That's the guy i would hire. But I'm like, that attitude is why you got McCarthy two to three years past his expiration date. Like, you know, there was a lot of like, oh, like McCarthy, all that kind of stuff.
01:10:33
Speaker
That's how you know it's time for us to sign off. But, you know, you got the like, oh, like, yeah, McCarthy's bad, but are who are we going to hire that's definitely going to be better? And I'm like, I don't like people having that attitude because it's like, so you're just going to accept Diminishing returns that that's looking worse and worse when the coach has definitely lost the locker room I think the Steelers are in that in that in that position where it's like well He never finishes but before below 500. So at least we're gonna be you know We're we're not gonna be competitive when we make the playoffs, but we're gonna be competitive to make the playoffs every year and that's good and Like I said LaFleur
01:11:14
Speaker
He, okay, Graven, so he went on McAfee and he made his own snarky remark where i I don't even know what they were talking about, but then he was like, oh, yeah, I think he was talking about the Bears and their improvement and all that kind of stuff. And he goes, well, you know, they've got a good coach. Ask him. He'll tell you himself. And I do think that's about as chippy and as, like, out there about...
01:11:38
Speaker
as lafleur is gonna get with now there's gonna be a lot of questions about after game because did you see the handshake oh i loved it i i loved it that's about that's more floor is a better man than me because that's more than that's more than i would have given johnson so it reminded me of the handshake that harbaugh gave jim schwartz when jim schwartz looked like he wanted to fight harbaugh afterward and hard like he slapped him in the back too hard or whatever that's kind of what heart it's kind of what lafleur did where he did the handshake and kind of like the like the single pat on the back thing it's it's that's why it reminded me of the harbaugh
01:12:18
Speaker
That's the one where like Schwartz was like yeah like, I didn't like that he showed me up and he hit me in the back like that. And Harbaugh did the like, all I did was give him a firm handshake. And i don't know, I guess my hands are stronger than his or something like that. and and But i yeah I got to give LeFleur credit on those things because i don't want to see i don't want to see shirtless not ben johnson not kuano but i gotta give lefleur credit because you can tell he's got that dry type of sense of humor yeah where he's gonna give jab here or there like last week with the got the wing and stuff like that with the timeout deal and stuff like that but
01:13:02
Speaker
he's not gonna get down and dirt now some of the offseason uh uh interviews that he's had he's had a little bit more to say then but in season he usually p keeps but even the offseason stuff he wouldn't do the like oh yeah and we're gonna beat the bears twice a year no no but yeah he does throw out a little bit here and there like yeah and So that's what I mean is in season, he won't do any of that period. But and when they're not in season, he'll throw out little things here or there that that draw people in and give sound bites. But yeah, i I don't know. It's interesting kind of to go back what you were saying about the whole finding and trying to figure out who's going to be. That's why I said
01:13:51
Speaker
those decisions and those looking is better when the decision to fire that coach is made. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you can really deep dive in and say, okay, well, maybe we should bring this guy in because his system's similar to what this person has been in So, you know, there's going to be a little bit more continuity than having to break everything down and start all the way
Future Outlook and Community Engagement
01:14:14
Speaker
over. but So that's why I said those conversations are best had in the offseason. So I don't know if that answers your your question, Graham, but, you know, that's where we're and that's where I personally am at with it, that I'm not going to look
01:14:31
Speaker
to that future until we know we have to look at that future. And that's what we said about the whole like policy not re-upping LeFleur off the bat. is like He's going to be gauged on. like There's going to be some sliders on it, but he's going to be gauged with how the season goes. Getting Parsons definitely ups the pressure on like how far you're expected to go. They have to make the championship game.
01:14:54
Speaker
you know I don't want to say that it's a like if he you know it's a it's a straight if-else function where like if he doesn't make it, he's fired kind of thing. But it's like it really puts the microscope down on LaFleur. If this team goes and has another disappointing, egg you know like 2021, where it's just like, did your team even want to be here kind of thing and stuff? like like Last year, I didn't.
01:15:18
Speaker
fault them because they were just so at the end of the rope, so injured, so battered. Philly was better than them kind of thing. Like, they shouldn't be in that situation is my point this year. Like, there's only, like, that's the funny thing is, like,
01:15:33
Speaker
If they can face the AFC in the Super Bowl, I'm probably gonna pick the Packers unless they suffer injuries getting to the Super Bowl, because I think they're better than this the AFC's best. It's the like rock, paper, scissors of, okay, how much better do you think the Rams are than they are Do the Eagles just have some stupid voodoo shit over them and stuff like that? Like, it gets into the weeds of that side of it. But you the la now that LeFleur has right it, like I said, he's doused some of the fires. We still have some questions about, like, can you just put your foot down and...
01:16:06
Speaker
bury some opponents. Like, I know that, you know, shortening the game and all that, but I'm like, if you go up 30, that also will shorten the game and you can put your reserves in. But at the same time, it's like, he's graded on a curve and that's the, you know, what his past success has done. What, you know, putting the team in half a game behind the top in the NFC has done.
01:16:27
Speaker
And so it's like now he's back in the position of you should make the playoff. I think they're at like 80-something percent at this point. So you should make the playoffs. And now it's like, what are you going to do when you get there? And that's where we're at with LeFleur. But like you said, that conversation is one for a later date.
01:16:46
Speaker
And we'll get there when we get there. and Hopefully... Hopefully it's, okay, give him the extension because they just want it all. like I'm ahm hoping that that conversation we're having at the end of the day. But Joe, do you have anything else for tonight or are you good?
01:17:03
Speaker
I think we're good. i i i think, well, I do have one more thing to say.
01:17:12
Speaker
The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck. The Bears still suck. They really, really, really, really suck.
01:17:23
Speaker
Yes, the Bears still suck. Yes, they do. I know they're going to say that, oh, Dunzey got hurt, and oh, Kyler couldn't play and stuff, and it's like tough shit. like I said it earlier. If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
01:17:41
Speaker
but if that's just And that well that's going to do it for us this week again. but but Check out our website, please. OhanaPackers.org. That slogan is not on a mug, but you know what is? the Joe just released the Matt LaFleur line.
01:18:00
Speaker
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01:18:32
Speaker
you then I do have one thing that i want I do want to say. We did have a local card show this weekend, and I just kind of went. And I do want to give a shout out to Vault 44 Cards. i I talked to their owner this weekend. They're they're an upstart.
01:18:48
Speaker
They're near Oskaloosa, Iowa. If you happen to be in Iowa, go check out Vault Shop Cards. The owners are are good people. Got to talk to them. They said they're going to start listening to the show. So, you know,
01:19:01
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01:19:34
Speaker
that's gonna do it for us this week as we said the packers reclaimed the lead in the nfc north and now it's on them to keep that through the end of the season and let the cards fall on where they end up in the conference but for iowa joe i'm mike go pack go the bears still suck and a low