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THE EDGE AWAKENS
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The Ohana Packers Edition crew dives deep into the top edge rusher prospects in the upcoming NFL Draft, breaking down the pass rushers who could transform the Green Bay Packers’ defense.
We cover speed rushers, power ends, hybrid EDGE defenders, and the traits that actually translate to Sundays — burst, bend, hand usage, run defense, and finishing at the quarterback. Which prospects fit Green Bay’s scheme? Who has the ceiling to become the next difference-maker off the edge?
From first-round stars to under-the-radar sleepers, this episode is all about finding pressure, creating sacks, and changing games.
🧀 Topics include:
- Top EDGE prospects in the NFL Draft
- Best scheme fits for the Green Bay Packers
- Traits that separate elite pass rushers from projects
- Day 1 impact vs long-term development players
If you’re a Packers fan, draft junkie, or just love watching quarterbacks panic, The Edge Awakens is a must-listen.
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Transcript
Intro
Welcome and Introduction
00:00:55
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. We are Ope. I am Iowa Joe, and as you can tell, Mike Kawano is not here with me. Mike and family are headed to the Philippines for a family event, so we wish them safe travels and, you know, don't have too much fun over there.
Draft Positional Breakdown Week 2
00:01:15
Speaker
But we are in week two of our draft positional breakdown, and I have special guest Jacob Westendorf, whose name on the screen threw me off because it's not even spelled right. I just noticed that myself. I must have put the wrong buttons on the way in, so that's not good. We're not off to a good start.
00:01:33
Speaker
Jacob, it's been a minute since you've been on. i know we had a me and you had a little disagreement a year or so back, but we've kind of worked it out on that. But it's good to have you back. At least we subbed out one Michigan guy for another Michigan guy. So I didn't do research on the Michigan guys that I saw on the list because i was like, well, Mike will talk about them.
00:01:57
Speaker
And Mike's not here. So it's your job to fill us in for the Michigan
Super Bowl Sunday and Packers' Prospects
00:02:01
Speaker
guys. yeah there's two of them so that part be uh that part be kind of cool uh but yeah it's good to be back unfortunately we're recording on super bowl sunday uh the packers are not playing so one of these years i i really hope that we always make that joke of like will that guy be available at pick well can't be 32 anymore but pick 64 and then it's like one of those years i just kind of want that to be the reality i would love to It's been, what, 15 years now, so it's time to get back to the Super Bowl and and hopefully win it. But that's where we're at.
Packers' Draft Strategy and Parameters
00:02:35
Speaker
Yeah, and you know I want to put this question out there. I didn't get to i forgot to ask it when Shavink was on last week, but with the Packers not having their first-round pick, anybody who does any kind of draft stuff knows the Packers have parameters for what they look for in a first-round pick.
00:02:54
Speaker
then after the first round, maybe second round, they kind of go away from those parameters a little bit. Do you think they're going to avoid using their quote unquote parameters that they use in the first round for number two? Or do you think they're going to kind of stick with it?
00:03:09
Speaker
No, I think they're more like willing, like you've said, to kind of look away from some of the stuff that they've typically preferred. So they'll take a shorter receiver like they did with Jaden Reed or Randall Cobb back in the day or something like that. But In general, Brian Gutekunst says all the time, our process is our process. And I know that makes people upset sometimes, but, you know, there's a lot of, I know at this time of year, there's always a lot of like gnashing of teeth over, oh, they won't pick this guy. And it makes me mad that they won't.
00:03:36
Speaker
But then i don't, there aren't a whole lot of those guys that end up being like, superstars in the league, like Tutu Atwell, I remember was a big deal for something. He's a role player, like receiver, who's a return guy who's a healthy scratch in the NFC championship game. So like nothing springs to mind immediately of like guy Green Bay never would have touched because of the quote unquote thresholds that has turned into some superstar. And ultimately when Green Bay has gone outside of those things, Amari Rogers, like one of Goudicuns, maybe his worst pick as a general manager, all the way, you know, going all the way back to Terrell Buckley, which is kind of how those parameters got put into place. But no, I don't think so. The one thing that I do wonder, and it wasn't asked, if I get a chance to speak to Goody pre draft, I would like to ask him, do you
00:04:24
Speaker
you have to alter maybe your strategy without a first round pick and without some major free agent dollars up, you know, like Jordan Morgan, they drafted him without a spot available for him to start. So the plan was like in a perfect world, he wasn't going to start Van Ness, Rashawn Gary, guys like that kind of the same way.
00:04:40
Speaker
Do you have to change your thinking to be like, okay, we need a defensive tackle and we can't really red shirt him for a year like they did. Or, you know, with Matthew Golden, he wasn't really a red shirt, but a guy who, you Ended up behind four or five, six guys, you know, at different points during the year, too. So I wonder if they'll do that. I don't know.
00:04:58
Speaker
i would like to think that they would. and And now, you know, in a normal setting, I would say the draft is a long term proposition. I understand that. But when you make a trade for Micah Parsons, that's a difference of what you've normally done. Now you've got to do more things different than what you've normally done.
00:05:11
Speaker
Yeah. And,
Player Age and Draft Considerations
00:05:13
Speaker
and I've been thinking about that a lot lately because, you know, as, as we'll talk about one of the the guys that was the, somebody mentioned to look at, uh, we're getting to the point where some of these guys are still at the tail end of the COVID years. And, and so they're a little bit older, they're a little bit more,
00:05:36
Speaker
you know, per se long in the tooth. I know it doesn't seem like because we're talking about 25, 26 and I'll be 40 this year. And I know you're a couple of years under me. So it it feels weird talking about how they're long in the tooth when, you know, i could be their dad. Yeah. I don't love that a guy 10 years younger than me is considered old, but that's, that's where we've gotten.
00:06:01
Speaker
But, you know, that
Impact of Trading for Micah Parsons
00:06:03
Speaker
that's always been one of the things. And they did have the one outlier with Devontae Wyatt where, you know, they always want that younger guy in the first round that can be redshirted, that can sit back and and be kind of a rotational guy.
00:06:21
Speaker
in the system. So it it just, I've wondered that ever since. And we've not not been in this situation before where they've traded away a future first round pick to take a generational type talent and a Micah Parsons. I mean, we've had drafts where we didn't have first round picks, but that's usually because they traded back and, and picked up a lot more picks and, you know, the Kevin King year, the Jordy Nelson year types like that. But it'll be interesting to see how the draft strategy kind of fluctuates with with that lack of the first round. and And really, I don't see them jumping back into the first round because I don't think they have the ammunition to do it.
Edge Rushing Group Analysis
00:07:09
Speaker
unless you start adding in players, but even then it's kind of iffy if, if they have the ammunition to do it, but we will go ahead and start. We are discussing edge rushers. So for those that caught last week's episode, we focused more on the interior defensive line. This time we're going to focus in on the outs, the outer edges of the defensive line.
00:07:35
Speaker
and I just pulled the rookie mistake of not shutting off my ringer. So now it's going to bug me while I'm here. so let's look at the current state of the Packers, uh, edge room.
00:07:47
Speaker
We've got really, it's kind of a mix here. i mean, we've got the elephant in the room where I have more important, more,
00:08:02
Speaker
Fitting the Wolverine in the room that is the big topic of discussion. and So you being the Wolverine fan, you know, I'll let you go ahead and have your say on what you think should go on with Rochon Gary.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i think Goody said it best, not, you know, not productive enough when you don't have a sack or a tackle for loss in two months of play and played most of that two months still without Micah Parsons on on the other side of him or with Micah Parsons on the other side of him, you know only had to play like three games without him, I think.
00:08:39
Speaker
not disruptive enough. I know that they cite the I know the pressures is like the number everyone uses. And and I understand disruption is production. I agree with that. The problem I have is when like, what constitutes a pressure? Because I, I even overload, and this is just memory, but there isn't a play where like I could think of over the last two months where I'm just kind of like, Oh man, you know, he was so close to, to making a play there.
00:09:05
Speaker
And You know, the other thing about Gary specifically is just i think the Hawkeye behind him, Lucas Van Ness, was kind of trending upward towards the end of the season. I think, you know, he had a really good game in the playoffs against Chicago.
00:09:20
Speaker
He played against Baltimore and that game was a disaster for a multitude of reasons, but he was pretty good in that game too. I am ready to see Van Ness get a full helping of starter snaps over the next, you know, next season really, because they got to make a big decision on him on whether they're going to extend him or not in the coming year. But with Gary,
00:09:40
Speaker
I'm not one who likes to talk about like effort and all that kind of stuff. Cause I don't know, you know, there's conversations I could say like, Hey, if you can't get there, you know, slow it down, shut it down, whatever.
00:09:50
Speaker
I don't think that's the way that conversations are being had around there, but it is hard for me to watch plays where, It's almost like you know like Caleb Williams is out in front of him, and he's not going to catch him, so he just kind of starts making it look like a stroll in the park. And and that's not a good look for a guy who wears a C on his chest, right? Yeah.
00:10:12
Speaker
that's That's a play style thing. That is a culture thing. That is a leadership thing. And I do wonder what Jonathan Gannon will think about those things. In general, I would say you can't have enough quality pass rushers, but you know is Gary a quality pass rusher anymore? I think after last season, and definitely that's a fair conversation to have. I think they
Rashawn Gary's Performance and Future
00:10:29
Speaker
could save like 11 million bucks in cap space if they move on. And I think that's kind of a twofold kind of thing. You save the money, which you could in theory use somewhere else. And then also you're giving more snaps to a guy who I think at this point is a better player, or at least has a chance certainly to be a better player in Van Ness. And I, like I said, I've been high on him since they drafted him. I'm ready for a full compliment. I thought he was,
00:10:52
Speaker
On his way to having a very good season, unfortunately the foot injury in Cincinnati kind of ruined that for the rest of the year. But he was he finished the season very strong. a strip sack against Caleb Williams in the playoffs. If anybody else was anywhere near the quarterback, maybe Green Bay recovers that. and we're talking about that as like a game-changing, game-saving kind of play.
00:11:10
Speaker
Yeah, and just kind of, you know, obviously I'm not going to poo-poo any Hawkeye players, so, you know, i'm I'm pretty good on that. But you're right, the foot injury just kind of derailed him a little bit, and he did pick up. Now, to kind of flow back to what you said about Rashawn and you can't think of a play, there's one, and I can't remember if it was in the regular season Bears game or if it was in the playoff game,
00:11:38
Speaker
that I did put it out there on social media, but now this is just one play. The rest of the time, yeah, that had he not got held, Rashawn was there for the sack.
00:11:50
Speaker
And unfortunately, they didn't call it like they hadn't called holding all year on any, you know, Packers pass rusher. But there was one that he was right there and you saw the the tackles arm up around the neck.
00:12:06
Speaker
holding him but like you said when that's one time out of four weeks of play eight weeks of play whatever you want to call it that you know you get a pressure the one the the the thing that solidified it for me and and and not i don't want to say i don't like rashaun He's had his moments.
00:12:32
Speaker
I do wonder if rushing back from his ACL kind of hurt him more than helped him. oh But in the playoff game, i can excuse him being out.
00:12:48
Speaker
efforted by Micah Parsons because Micah Parsons is an absolute freak of nature. He's faster than most people on the defensive side of the ball. So for him to outrun Mike or outrun Rashawn doesn't bother me at all because that's just, you know, Rashawn was never known for his speed. Micah was known for his speed.
00:13:10
Speaker
the one that the and see the dog even agreed on that one right uh the the one that solidified it for me was in the playoff game when colby wooden was out running yes rashawn gary and it's like colby wooden should not be out running rashawn gary And that's where it's like, OK, is he not bought in? is he had you know
00:13:42
Speaker
I know a lot of people were talking about how they were waiting for the end of the season and we were going to find out that Rashawn was dealing with some kind of mysterious injury. that Yeah, which was always funny to me because it's like everybody every week complains that Green Bay's injury report looks like a CVS receipt. Like they over-report injuries.
00:14:02
Speaker
So unless Rashawn Gary's not reporting an injury to the Packers, then like – Everybody has said, no, he's healthy. Like, yeah, it's just not it's just not happening for him for for whatever reason. But I think this is a I don't want to call it easy because I guess it's never easy, but I think it's a relatively simple decision. I don't have a better word than that to let him go. And it kind of forces you.
00:14:28
Speaker
to get better at that position, whether it's adding another guy in the draft, like guys we'll talk about, adding a you know a second tier free agent, which we could talk about, or just like guys like Van Ness and Sorrell and Colin Oliver getting better throughout you know the course of the season and and having a jump in their second seasons with Oliver and Sorrell specifically.
00:14:51
Speaker
yeah and you know obviously you want to do your due diligence if you can somehow trade rashaun for anything you know get what you can out of him but if if push comes to shove nobody wants to give up anything and you know i i wonder if he's in a ha ha clinton dicks type situation where he's more worried about his off the field stuff than he is is on the field and that's something i said about haha for the longest time was we got like two or three good years out of them and then all a sudden he concentrated more on his off the field you know with haha it was his law enforcement stuff with rashaun i think doesn't rashaun have like his own agency or whatever that he runs yes and that was a topic of conversation when he was coming out in the draft i don't have any evidence to support or dispute what you're saying but you know when you go from i mean even coming into this season he was a really productive well Not really, but he was a productive player in 2024. So good. You know, this year, just to it was jarring to see him be just a complete no-show. And at to the point where, God bless Kingsley Anikbari, really good player.
00:15:58
Speaker
but not a guy that we should be saying, you know what, is he is he better than Rashawn Gary? Like, that's not a conversation that we should be having, right, in a perfect way for a guy that Packers drafted her high in the first round and they paid a boatload of money to.
00:16:12
Speaker
Like, it's just not – it wasn't a good season on that front. You know, unfortunately, the edge group should have been, especially after they acquired Parsons, I was very excited for what they could have put together. And by the end of the year, it was Micah and the Funky Bunch for the most part.
00:16:24
Speaker
And in the rest of the regular season after Parsons got hurt, they only had one sack. and And the only other like sack that they had was wiped away. It was Warren Brinson got called for a face mask in the first Chicago game. So yeah they had one in the and one in the playoffs, man. Ness had a sack of Caleb in the playoffs, and that was it. So you know it really was. It turned into the Micah show. And I think that's something that I remember – you know Back in the day, Phil Jackson used to call it Kobe watching.
00:16:55
Speaker
We're like two people watching Kobe Bryant waiting for him to do something. It's like, OK, we're too many of you just kind of watching and waiting for Parsons to do something. And then once he was gone, it was like the the John Travolta and Pulp Fiction meme where they're kind of looking around like, well, are you going to do it? Are you going to it? Like, yeah, not enough impact from the guys that they should have gotten some impact from.
Micah Parsons' ACL Recovery
00:17:15
Speaker
but we'll go ahead and roll into who else we've got on the roster now you did bring up kingsley and he is a free agent at well i guess in a couple weeks when the new year begins but uh you know he's this he's a decent rotational guy brenton cox is i believe a restricted free agent Then you've got the two draft picks from last year, Baron Sorrell and Colin Oliver, or as a lot of them are dubbing him, Baby Micah.
00:17:44
Speaker
He hates that, by the way. Does he? Say that word for word. Doesn't like that people call him that. The the funny thing is is when you sit there and stare at him kind of like one of them photos when we were kids where you'd you'd have to stare at it to be able to get the picture. oh yeah. you see If you stare at him long enough, it's like are you really?
00:18:07
Speaker
Maybe there is some kind of connection there. But yeah, you've got those two guys who, you know, caught I said one of the bigger mistakes that they made in the playoff game was not having Colin Oliver active.
00:18:23
Speaker
And the reason I said that, i and I get that he missed the majority of the season. I get that he only played in the Minnesota game. I get that. But he's got the speed similar to what Micah has that kind of changes up what the Packers do with their pass rush.
00:18:40
Speaker
So... with with what they were dealing with in in a quarterback like caleb who can get outside the pocket having a guy that can scream off the edge or chase down caleb would have made sense but you know hindsight's 20 20 all that good stuff but uh aaron mosby who is more for his special teams i think he's also restricted and outside of that that's really about
00:19:11
Speaker
it What do we got on, of course, Micah Parsons, which, you know, it'll be interesting to see how early he comes back. I know the joke is that he' he's wanting to be there by week one.
00:19:27
Speaker
week one But, you know, all all low ACL injuries are different. I was telling that my physical therapist the other day. i go We were kind of talking about Micah Parsons. And I go, it's hard to believe that like two days after his surgery, he had videos of him doing a stationary bike.
00:19:50
Speaker
Now, it wasn't like he was a full-speed stationary bike. But I remember when I had my ACL surgery, I didn't start physical therapy for like a week. Oh, wow. i i couldn't even feel I couldn't even feel my leg because they had pump they had put a block in my back for the surgery.
00:20:07
Speaker
And I couldn't even feel my leg for two weeks. When I first went to do my physical therapy, the therapist had to move my leg because he's like, well, can you do this? I said, no, because I can't feel my fucking leg.
00:20:20
Speaker
So just to see where he's at in his process already is It's interesting. I just hope he doesn't rush it back. I know that ACLs are getting to be pretty norm anymore and guys are coming back a little bit quicker from them. than But i would rather have him fully healthy and at 100% than try to go out there at 75% and that. so And take a chance of re-injuring it. Or we have another Bakhtiari situation where you know the surgery didn't go right, so now he's having to have fluid drained off his knee every you know two hours or
Gary's Contract and Team Structure
00:21:00
Speaker
whatever. so
00:21:02
Speaker
It'll be interesting to see what he does with that, but that looks like all we got for the edge rushing room. So what are your feelings on going into the seat going into this new year with that for the edge rushing room?
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, so we talked about Gary, right? So as far as Goody said, like he expects everybody under contract to be back. That's a BS line. It's GM speak. So just, you know, take that for what it is. But, you know, going into the offseason, let's assume, you know, gary Gary's under contract. So just for assumption purposes, right?
00:21:32
Speaker
Parsons, Gary, Van Ness, Baron Sorrell, and Colin Oliver. That's a pretty good starting point. from there. Now, obviously, if you move on from Gary, you probably need to add a guy you're relying on someone like Sorrell to take a second year jump.
00:21:45
Speaker
The other question is kind of like, what are the Packers going to do with their base front? is it going to be a four man front or a three man front? That changes a few things just as far as how many guys you can keep on the roster on each side and everything for special teams. But I do think that they could stand to add a guy. I would be surprised if they did that with their first pick in this draft class.
00:22:04
Speaker
I tend to think more of the idea of a rotational rusher, a bargain free agent, or and maybe not a bargain, even a mid-tier free agent. Guys we'll talk about here in a little
Draft Strategy with Parsons
00:22:14
Speaker
bit, I'm sure. Yeah.
00:22:15
Speaker
You know, if they're not in any time your room starts with, hey, we got Michael Parsons in a really good spot. And then with Van Ness, Van Ness is kind of your lottery ticket of he was a top 15 pick. He has that pedigree. They still really like him. And again, can he be If he can be what the Packers were hoping Rashawn Gary would be in 2026 and then Parsons is Parsons. Now you've got that dynamic duo that you're hoping for when you put those two guys together.
00:22:42
Speaker
That doesn't include obviously the re-additioned lineup of Devontae Wyatt and whatever else they add to the defensive front from there. So it's not in the greatest spot, I'll admit that, but it's not the worst spot. You know, Sorrell definitely had some nice moments when he was able to play last year and Colin Oliver is,
00:22:59
Speaker
A complete unknown, to be very honest with you. He played one game and he's been dinged. think he had three separate injuries last year. so he got like he got hurt in college and then he got hurt like right when he came back and then he got re hurtt re-injured again, I think after he came back and started practicing again. so you know I'm not saying I'm not counting on him, but like it's kind of a line. I remember talking about this with Kylan Hill once upon a time, saying like it's more likely that he gets cut, Colin Oliver gets cut at the end of training camp, than it is that he makes a significant impact on the roster. Now that's not to say I think he'll get released at the end of camp, right but for him to be a, you know, 45 pressure, seven sack guy, that would be shocking. And you were talking about like him not playing against the bears with, with these teams in the NFC North, Minnesota is going to do this Detroit and Chicago, certainly are going the two, three tight end sets.
00:23:53
Speaker
He's small. And when you're small like that, it's hard to hold up against these teams that want to play bigger and run the football against you. So, you know, that part would be interesting to see how they have that as well. You could get him in some obvious passing situations.
Defensive Formations and Player Roles
00:24:04
Speaker
It's just what happens when he's on the field in an obvious passing situation, so you think, and then they sneak a run in there, and all of a sudden they're going no huddle. Like, there's just things you have to work around. It makes a challenge. Right. and And I get that. I just think that they could have moved him around like they were kind of Micah a little bit. just Just say, hey, this is your job.
00:24:23
Speaker
go out and do it. We'll rotate you in if we have to, but just, he could have played more quarterback spy than anything else and, and taking his shots. But that's like I said, hindsight 2020. And that's a conversation for another day. But to go back, what you said, we're not even sure what kind of front they're going to play. I have a hard time believing that this soon they're going to jump back into more of a three, three lineman front.
00:24:51
Speaker
I think that Gannon can can do what he needs to with the guys that they have on the roster right now to still man a four down front. Because as great as Micah Parsons can be, I think his best...
00:25:07
Speaker
best front is always going to be a four down lineman front yeah same with Van Ness and yeah yeah and Van Ness the thing I love about Van Ness and i and i i appreciate what he's doing with the way he's been able to stack it right now is in college he was more of an interior guy And when they brought him in as a 3-4 outside linebacker, it was like, I don't know if you're going to get the most out of him. Yes, he's very athletic. Yes, he's got all these traits. But I don't know if the three four outside linebacker is going to suit him.
00:25:42
Speaker
But when they moved to the 4-3 front and they had him down as as a hand in the dirt edge and put him more into the e interior, i think that suited him a lot better than what a 3-4 does. So...
00:25:55
Speaker
you know Like I said, I'm not going to poo-poo on him at all because he's he he's a Hawkeyes alum and and all that. But I guess the big question is is usually they're pretty good about retaining their restricted free agents. So I do believe Brenton Cox will be back. But the big question is, is of course, Kingsley.
00:26:17
Speaker
do they go ahead and just let him go out and get whatever bag of money he can get? Or do they try to kind of keep him in house with or without Gary on the roster? You can put it either way.
00:26:29
Speaker
Yeah. would Either way, I would let him walk. He's a, he's a man. That's not to sneeze at him. He's a good player, but he's somebody who I think is going to get more money. And eventually you're kind of looking at that contract in a year or maybe two and going, Oh man, we would kind of,
00:26:43
Speaker
we're paying a lot of money for a guy who's pretty good at a few things, but a few things that we could have just kind of replaced with more snaps for Baron Sorrell, more snaps for Van Nass, like stuff like that to adding this guy here, doing this there, you know, whatever it is.
00:26:57
Speaker
And I think that with the compensatory pick game that the Packers are going to play, which I'm sure has been talked about a bunch, but the more guys that you kind of let go and are able to get those contracts and Enigbare is a guy who other than,
00:27:10
Speaker
Malik Willis, Romeo Dobbs, and Rasheed Walker. I think those three guys will probably, and maybe Quay, well, actually there's quite a few. So those four guys, you know, I think Barrett could be a guy who gets a contract that you look up at and go like, really?
00:27:21
Speaker
That was kind of surprising just that he got as much money as he did. So, i wouldn't i wouldn't bring him back and that's not to say i think he's a bad player or anything like that i just think that he's a guy you can do better than and if it comes down to you know there's four teams bidding on him then you should not be the team who wins that bidding war as somebody as a team who kind of even knows them because like even when we're talking about enigvary what are we saying like oh he's a really good run defender not a problem nothing wrong with that but you can kind of find those guys right so yeah yeah i'd like somebody with a little more upside rushing the passer
Packers' Cap Situation and Management
00:27:56
Speaker
He's good for a splash play here or there, but it's not going to be something that I'd want to pay top. I kind of view him in the same boat as like John Runyon Jr. was. yeah if he's If he's brought back, great, whatever. You know what you're going to get out of him.
00:28:13
Speaker
But I would rather see what else I can do. You know, if he's still sitting there mid-July and we're not happy with the way...
00:28:24
Speaker
you know, the rooms looking at that point, then by all means, give them one, two year deal or whatever. But I just don't see that happening. I see somebody throwing some kind of money at them just to bring them in. But that looks like what we've got for the roster. So you know Obviously, we know what the Packers are with their cap space. If you go by a lot of the websites, they're sitting at about a negative 11 million in in room. So they're going to have to do some juggling. And you know this will be a topic for a different episode. But you know the obvious move is releasing Elton Jenkins because that frees up a shit ton of money.
00:29:04
Speaker
But there will be some restructures. There will be some... juggling here there you know for as much as a lot of us are goody supporters i think i'm an even bigger rust ball supporter because that man can make anything happen with with what he's got so because when Everybody was like, oh, well, the Packers are in cap hell. They're going to be in trouble for such and such years.
00:29:29
Speaker
Their rebuild time was like less than a year. So I can – I'm going to give him all – until he – this is how I am
Khalil Mack Signing Debate
00:29:39
Speaker
with everybody. Until you give me a reason to doubt you, I'm not going to doubt you. And Russ Ball has one been one of those that I can't doubt. So – But with that said, there are some free agents out here.
00:29:52
Speaker
Jacob and I did kind of kind to have a discussion about one of them pretty just kind of minutely. But the big thing that most Packer fans are talking about right now is bringing Khalil Mack into a matchup with with Micah Parsons. I'm going to state mine because I know Jacob wants to have a little bit of a of what's the word for diatribe about it.
00:30:21
Speaker
But again, I'm not going to be against it, but I think it's three years too late more than anything. And and I get that people are saying, oh, well, you know, he's still productive. He's still this.
00:30:36
Speaker
But we know players are going to fall off at a point. And you would you rather have him on contract when that happens? And you never know when it's going to happen. I mean, friggin' Calais Campbell is 39 years old and is still playing in the league.
00:30:54
Speaker
But there's guys who are less than 26 years old and washed out after a year. So, I mean, you never know when the fall off is going to happen and it's all a guessing game. But I have a feeling somebody is going to give him more money than the Packers are willing to give. And kind of like Jacob said with with the Enigbare thing, i don't want to get into a bidding war for him. Now, if he can get him on on a decent deal like a Julius Peppers type signing, then sure.
00:31:23
Speaker
go for it, but I just, it's not going to put me over the moon. but Let's put it that way. Yeah. So with him, i i think something this team is missing is somebody that is, that is his age and is trying to win a championship, kind of that ring chasing defensive end and, and get, or not just a defensive end, but a ring chasing veteran in certain spots. Right.
00:31:50
Speaker
trying to get that ring before they retire. Julius Peppers is the example you gave. I think that's a perfect example for the type of player I think this Packers team could use. Because something Gudekunst can, he can deny it, say it's not related all they want, but like these late game collapses, these silly mistakes, I do think some of it, not all of it, has to do with the fact that they're the youngest team in the league every single year. Will Mack would obviously help that. The other thing, I hearken back to the 2020, or not excuse me, the uh philadelphia eagles for this role i'm sure other teams have had it this is just the one that sticks out in my head is when chris long went there as a sub package pass rusher and basically what he did was he came on the field brandon graham or one of philadelphia's other defensive ends would kick inside and that pass rush was very very good that season and van net or vaness
00:32:41
Speaker
Chris Long's job was just to scream off the edge. And that tandem specifically was a big part of a strip sack that helped the Eagles win their first Super Bowl in that particular season. So if Mack were to come here, I think he can be, you can, if if it's that important that he's a starter, then he can be a starter in like name only kind of thing. So yeah, that you play the first snap of the game across from Parsons. That's great.
00:33:04
Speaker
Van Ness plays more snaps than you do. And Mac, your job is to, when it's third down, you come in, Van Ness kicks inside. Micah kicks inside. you you know You can do a bunch of stuff with those NASCAR packages like they had. I can't, what did they call them last year? Cheetah package was the thing with Gary and Van Ness and all those guys. So so I do think, that yeah, and that's something where he made $18 million dollars last season. I'm not saying the Packers should be paying him $18 million, dollars but if they can figure out something like that, and if it's not Mac specifically though, I just think somebody of that,
00:33:33
Speaker
That pedigree, you know, I'm looking at just some of the free agent rushers now. Hassan Redick is somebody who is on there, not the greatest year last year, but just players like that. who Your job is, it's second and 11, it's third and nine. You come on the field, Van Ness, Parsons, whoever, like these guys become – inside rushers, they reduce down and do those kinds of things.
00:33:55
Speaker
But Mac to me is somebody hasn't won a championship. He's got that pedigree. He's played in some winning situations, but not the greatest of those. You know, the chargers didn't make the playoffs or they made it this year. I do not believe they made it the year prior. If they did that, no, I take it back. They made it. I'm sorry, but they've gone one and done.
00:34:12
Speaker
Right. Right. Was a defensive player of the year in Chicago. He's got some of that pedigree. He knows what it takes to win. He knows what it takes and he knows what it takes to be on a great defense, which is something the Packers haven't had, you know, the the last time the Packers had a great, like a great defense, not a, well, if you squint here and ignore this, it's a great, he knows what it takes to be a great defense.
00:34:32
Speaker
And that was when he was in Chicago and he won def defense player the year. He was the catalyst, the main reason that team had a great defense. So I think that's some leadership. That's some veteran stuff. Those are some intangible things that he could add to the team as well. But I also think that just in general, something like that,
00:34:48
Speaker
could be really beneficial to this Packers team, especially with Parsons potentially missing, you know, the first two or three games. And I do agree with that. I think there's that that key piece is missing. you know That veteran leadership always helps tremendously.
00:35:07
Speaker
you know i just i have a feeling somebody's still going to pay a premium price for them. And and i like I said, I just don't think the Packers For Mac specifically, I don't think the Packers are going to get in a bidding war for him.
00:35:24
Speaker
So, you know, just looking at some of these guys that probably could fit that mold.
Alternative Edge Rusher Options
00:35:29
Speaker
I've always been kind of a fan of Leonard Floyd. I think he can come in and step in and do something like that.
00:35:37
Speaker
You know, the dream is to bring AJ Epinesa in, but I have a feeling he's going to get a decent amount of money. Dante Fowler Jr. has been rolling around the league when all of everybody and their little brother called him a bust, but he still managed to stay in the league for 11 frigging years.
00:35:56
Speaker
Uh, so, you know, he could be a rotational type. He's, you know, his best year 2019 where had 12 sacks, twenty nineteen where he had twelve sacks Yeah, so, I mean, he could step in as that rotational guy, but there's a lot of younger guys out there that I just – I don't think the Packers are going to spend the money on.
00:36:24
Speaker
We could sit here and talk about a lot of them, but I just don't think – maybe a Van van noy could step in and be that Mack type. I don't know what type of year he really had last year. Yeah.
00:36:37
Speaker
Yeah, and with one other thing with Fowler, just keep in mind is Green Bay was rumored to be in on him before ended up signing last year, and that was like the, okay, so they really aren't, like that was the last pass rusher that was available before the Parsons trade. So that is something that Maybe they could revisit, you know I don't, I don't know anything, but if they were in before, maybe they're in now.
00:36:59
Speaker
Right. and And that's possible. So, i mean, there's a lot of guys out there that would be, would be tremendous to have, but the con, you know, Oh, Jaleri, uh,
00:37:10
Speaker
that That was another one that they were rumored to be in on. It would be so hilarious to bring Marcus Davenport in with the history that the Packers have on the Marcus Davenport front, but I just don't think he's as productive as you would like.
00:37:29
Speaker
Cleland Farrell is another guy that I think there were – like hints of rumors about him being brought in but i think that was more hope than anything because draft degrees there and that was like that was the rashon gary draft so it was him and or i'm sorry that was the van ness draft so it was him and a bunch of other guys so was it the i don't know it was one of those no pharaoh was the gary draft gary oh i'm thinking of about you know what i'm thinking of miles murphy clemson pass rusher not very good same idea But yeah, Farrell was a guy who was like part of a potential conversation of would Green Bay take him if he was available at 12 when they took Gary or if he fell. I even had one. I remember when I played around with the mock machine, one year I ended up with an edge at 12 and then Farrell was sitting there at 30 and I was like,
00:38:15
Speaker
I have to take him. Like what what else am I supposed to do here? Like, don't you just love those mock draft simulators? I've had some fun with those that, and we'll talk about a lot of them, but there was like one where I had Lee Hunter in the second, I had Jacob Rodriguez in the third, uh,
00:38:33
Speaker
Dante Corleone was still sitting there in the fourth. And the like, okay, well, that just revamped the whole defensive front. so And it's like, that ain't going to happen anyway. But other than that, are there any other names that you could see out there that you could say, well, maybe the Packers could take a chance on them?
00:38:52
Speaker
No, and I do think that in general, there'll be more in on guys who are going to be released. So if there's a guy who becomes a salary cap casualty or something like that, so it doesn't affect their compensatory pick formula. So, you know, we'll see what kind of happens on that. I will advise people to just, when it comes to free agency this year, to be patient. Like, I love it every year
Fan Reactions and Free Agency Strategies
00:39:12
Speaker
when...
00:39:13
Speaker
they don't sign somebody within the first 30 seconds of free agency everyone's like oh there's you know it's the same bullshit lines of oh they're sitting on their hands their they don't they don't care about winning they're just content to be a good enough team they don't care about winning a championship meanwhile by the way last year they traded two first round picks for michael parsons like yeah Spare me.
00:39:35
Speaker
Spare me. You can be upset if something does or doesn't happen. I understand that. But spare me the garbage about the Packers being a complacent organization. Nothing benefits them by doing that. And Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers were so both signed late in free agency. And yeah, I get that. And sometimes it does get frustrating because like, man, that guy would really fit the Packers perfectly. The Packers have enough money to do it. Oh, the Packers weren't in on him. Damn it. My favorite was every year whenever Allen, like after the Packer fans got so obsessed with Allen Robinson after he signed with Chicago the first time. And then I said, it came down to those two teams.
00:40:10
Speaker
And then it was like, after that, every time he signed somewhere else, I go, Oh my God, why would they not go get It's like, guys, he's been bad since the end of his Chicago tenure. Like they do not need him. Yeah, what was the cornerback to that was the same way that they signed the the. Kyle Fuller.
00:40:27
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. they They were kind of the same boat with that one, too. So. and Packer fans are passionate. They're fickle and everything. general, or that way, like that's green Bay is not alone in that regard. No, no. and I end up seeing, but that's how that works. And it just is funny because a lot of times, oh man, I wanted that guy. It's like, you probably didn't care about him until somebody said the Packers were interested in him.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But that's about it for the free agent portion of it. So what do you feel like jumping into some draft guys? Yeah, let's roll. I got a little bit of time.
Draft Prospect Evaluations: Zion Young and Others
00:41:04
Speaker
all right so mike usually breaks us down who you looking in what you know first day you know day one day two three stuff like that but as i always say i have a hard time putting any kind of draft grade on anybody i just look at players and put my best judgment down on what i think that player is
00:41:27
Speaker
we did get a few names to talk about uh from from a couple people on twitter so you know we'll try to talk i i did watch as many of them as i could but we'll try to talk about who you know what we think of them and stuff like that i tried to reach out to joey but he didn't get back to me in time because one of the guys that was mentioned was zion young so we'll go ahead and jump on the zion young one for me uh i'm taking up space because one of westendorf's youngins was talking to him about something so uh
00:42:08
Speaker
You know, Zion Young really is interesting. Doing the the mock draft stuff, you see him more in the second, maybe third round he falls, but mainly it's been in the second.
00:42:19
Speaker
I did watch some of them. You know, I said he was he had a good speed rush, had solid motor. He had a good start, but sometimes he had struggle struggles finishing. And what I mean by that is he'd make the perfect pass rush move. He'd get around him.
00:42:36
Speaker
but then he'd whiff on the tackle or he didn't, you know, didn't take a good angle on, on hitting the quarterback and the quarterback was able to get out. So he's just got to be able to work on his successes, you know, great. You did the move, but work about what you're doing at the end of it.
00:42:54
Speaker
I thought he had a good punch, so when he fires off the snap, you know putting those two hands in the the chest of the the tackle and driving back, and you know I thought he had a decent bend to him.
00:43:08
Speaker
But something I'm going to mention, like I did last week with the defensive linemen, I think they're not getting taught like we're used to them being taught where you want to bend the shoulder, you know, dip the shoulder and go around.
00:43:22
Speaker
They're just telling them go out and do it, go out and do it. And that's kind of like I was talking about with the defensive lineman last week, where when I was taught to do things, it was as low as you can get, get up underneath the the offensive lineman's pads.
00:43:38
Speaker
And it, the a lot of them aren't doing that anymore. But i think that's kind of the same thing with the, with the edge rushers is they're not being told to do the bend. They're just being told to, you know, hit the guy as hard as you can throw your, you know, do your swim move, do your, your uppercut, do whatever, you you know, your hand swipe, whatever you got to do to get around them Don't worry about bending or anything like that. And then when they get in the NFL, they kind of struggle with it to start with. But, Zion and Young looked really good.
00:44:12
Speaker
you know Obviously, like like Jacob mentioned, don't know if Edge is going to be the type of thing that they're going to take you know and with their first pick of of the draft.
00:44:23
Speaker
But you know if they went with him, I wouldn't be against it. Yeah, some of that stuff, too, is like the ball is coming out so fast that these power rushers are more, i don't want to say more important, but you have to affect the quarterback quickly. And what's the shortest distance between two points? It's a straight line, right? So that's right right something about Young. He does fit the kind of pass rusher that Green Bay would be kind of hoping to get is a rotational guy who, with some upside, he's young, he's 21. believe he'll turn 22 in March, was productive last year, six and a half sacks. Maybe some people have some bad taste of like Darius Robinson from last year because he did not look very good.
00:45:04
Speaker
as a rookie, but his career certainly not over because he didn't look good as a rookie. That's, you know, unfortunately, that's fortunately not the way that these things work. But I do think that's what you're kind of looking at because with Green Bay, if the guy, if the perfect player is sitting there for them at at their first pick in the second round there, I think they would take a pass rusher there.
00:45:25
Speaker
But I do think they are more so looking third round, maybe fourth round, fifth round, you know, taking a flyer, maybe more so on a guy's play. And that's assuming that Gudukunst doesn't fall in love with the player, because if he does do that, then of course he'll, he'll take him and say that they took who they thought was the best player. And you can also never have too many pass rushers. So yeah, that's definitely one guy that that could fit the mold there. And, you know, anything that gets me more exposure to Joey Van Zumber and I am all for and And I do. Whenever I see him a Missouri guy, I immediately text and say, okay, what do you got on him?
00:45:58
Speaker
and And unfortunately, I think Joey's been busy because it is basketball season, so he's been covering a lot of basketball.
Player Evaluation Process and Prospects Discussion
00:46:04
Speaker
So no hard feelings there. But what about you? what what What guys really caught your eye so far?
00:46:11
Speaker
So the way that my quote unquote process works is during the season, I just watch the games I want to watch as a fan, whoever catches my eyes, whoever catches my eyes. So obviously that's kind of where some of the Open, up for bias can certainly be there because I watch every game that Michigan plays. So one guy there is Jay Sean Barham.
00:46:31
Speaker
And Barham was a guy who he played off ball linebacker. They moved him to edge during the season and Wink Martindale, who's been in the NFL, called him the most violent player on Michigan's roster. And that is music to my ears all the time because that's something that I think you know. But I also think that he's somebody who his best ball, to use Goody's phrase, his best football could be in front of him.
00:46:51
Speaker
You know, he has only played on the edge for, he did a little bit his last season. So last season at Michigan, and then this year did it almost full time. Thanks to guys like Jimmy Rolder and Cole Sullivan and some of those players emerging as, as linebackers. So he could do that. So he's one guy, i don't know.
00:47:09
Speaker
you know, I think he's going test like an absolute freakazoid at the combine. So that's something that could, he might be long gone by the time green Bay has him on the clock, or if, you know, some of his tools are seen as, too raw of a player he's somebody that could fit uh there in the second round zion young was a guy who who certainly came to mind as well tj parker is another guy again he's probably gonna go before green bay is able to run the clock and then the kid from western michigan whose name escapes me at the moment i got it just second was gonna say his name is space and i know i know he's domin tucker
00:47:43
Speaker
Yes, him. That's another guy who, again, rotational rusher, could get him in the middle rounds. And that's something that, again, Green Bay, they don't have a ton of capital. So it's not like I can say, oh trade up and get Ruben Bain from Miami or something like that. Right. Like, you just have to get what you can get. The only thing about Tucker is, and this was brought up to me because this is another thing that I struggle with when I'm evaluating players, is I don't pay attention to, like,
00:48:11
Speaker
build and I don't pay attention to age and all that stuff, but he will be 26 during the season. So, you know, he is a little bit of an older prospect. So.
00:48:23
Speaker
The guy you're taking in the middle rounds, though, that could be something that. is beneficial. like he's already He doesn't have to grow into his body. He's already there. you know Right. Well, and it wasn't really a knock on him. It was like, just where are you going to feel comfortable taking him? you know if If he's there in the fourth round, do you take him in the fourth round or do you hope he's sitting in the fifth round?
00:48:45
Speaker
that that's the only thing that I've got to say on him. The other ones, like like I told Jacob when we first started, I didn't watch any of the Michigan guys because I figured kiano between him and Kiwano, they would, but Kiwano's off vacationing, so We didn't get that, but you know I suppose I could live with another Michigan edge rusher as long as he does he has a little bit more urgency than the one that we currently have on the roster. And the guys that they have, so Barham is one.
00:49:15
Speaker
The other one Derek Moore is that way too. I mean, that is a there are flaws in those guys' a game. They're not Rashawn Gary because going first-round picks, right? But they do have some of that high-motor type stuff that you're probably looking for in that way.
00:49:28
Speaker
Another one that I watched, well, here, I'm just going to jump into the Hawkeyes ones just because, you know, I do, like Jacob said, I do know them a little bit better because I do watch them.
00:49:39
Speaker
And that's Max Llewellyn and Ethan Herkett. I think there's one other one, but the thing I'm going to say about these two is probably going to encompass every one that comes out of Iowa. They're blue-collar guys. They're going to be the guys that show up every day, you know, put in the work,
00:49:57
Speaker
They're not going to be the flashiest. They're not going to be the. they are Let's see, skinny lunch pail, son of a coach.
00:50:08
Speaker
What are the other? there It's white guy stereotype words we're talking about, right? Pretty much. And they're not going to be the like I said, they're not going to be flashy. they They have had success. I know the senior bowl is they showed a little bit more, but, you know,
00:50:24
Speaker
again where are you going to take him i don't know llewellyn fits a little bit more of what the packers are going to look for he's a little bit lighter he's listed 263 but he's 6 5 so he's got a little bit more he can put on the frame herkut is 6 3 259 so he's a little bit less likely to put anything on the frame let's see i gotta pick out a couple because uh
00:50:52
Speaker
uh we'll talk about gabe jack is real quick i think that's how you pronounce his last name out of illinois good edge setter generates good pass rush has a quick get off uh he does get a good push the thing that i liked about him is there's no wasted movement there's no well i'm gonna shimmy shake shimmy shake and hope that that you know that 280 pounds yeah 280 pounds big
00:51:19
Speaker
and And that's usually what the Packers go for with their edge rushers. But again, with them trading for Micah and him being under what they normally go for, is that something that they're going to go with?
00:51:32
Speaker
He's got decent bin, good pass rush moves. Then there's...
00:51:40
Speaker
Keyshawn James, this one Brian Moffey brought up to me, and I watched him, and and I instantly thought of Micah Parsons just because the way he moves around. And this is not to say he's the next Micah Parsons, but, you know, he's just very similar, and he's a little bit lighter weight, so I'm kind of surprised Moffey likes him because he's listed like, 244.
00:52:03
Speaker
and But he generates a good drive quick, pushes the boundary of the line of scrimmage, kind of like Micah does. he He gets as close as he can to not being offsides, but he's going to be all the way up there.
00:52:16
Speaker
a Decent Ben does get caught guessing on the snap count once in a while, but he's got good pursuit. And then there's guys like Keyron Crawford from Auburn that look pretty decent.
00:52:33
Speaker
Cyan Sloan out of NC State. I think he's going to be better as an off-ball linebacker than as an edge rusher. And then there's Wesley Bailey out of Louisville that I think – that is going to be a solid guy that they could look for in the draft. So I know you've got to kind of get going here pretty soon, but what other guys can you go through real quick that you think the Packers could kind of look at?
Draft Strategy and Player Preferences
00:52:58
Speaker
Yeah, I think some of those guys you mentioned are going to be up there. Jackis is the other guy where you were talking. Again, I don't want to butcher his name, I suppose. But, you know, they like their edge is big. I'll be interested to see if there's like a tweak in that with Jonathan Gannon instead of Jeff Halfley, Joe Barry in that world. But, you know, Gutekunst is the one who takes the players, not...
00:53:17
Speaker
not anybody else. So with the way that the good guns typically likes to acquire players, they, you know, big doesn't get small. That's what John Eric Sullivan said last year after they took Anthony Belton. And that was just the idea that, yeah, they want their guys to be big and you have to be able to set the edge in the run game and and defend the run. So I think that's kind of the way that they're going to be looking. I think that the one small, you know, the two, if you will, small guys that they have, one of them is Colin Oliver and the other one is Micah Parsons. But you know i don't care if michael parsons weighs 30 pounds like i'm i want that guy on my team all the time so i do think that's the ilk of player that they'll be you know trying to find is that rotational player can you be a solid run defender and give them some pass rush upside i think they're going more so looking for like kingsley and igbari replacement as opposed to rashawn gary
00:54:09
Speaker
Lucas Van Ness potential like replacement stuff like that. It's guys that can be rotational type players. And if they grow into something more than that, that's a really good problem to have. There's one I forgot to bring up real quick and I want to do it. And I think he's going to be a late round guy more than anything. And that's Patrick Payton out of LSU. I really liked what I saw out of him. He kind of fits the mold of what the Packers are typically going after, but,
00:54:34
Speaker
I think he could be an all-around guy. Speed rush, smooth movement, good bin He does get caught once in a while when when the speed rush doesn't work.
00:54:44
Speaker
And he can struggle to separate because of that. But he's got a good first punch. And he's and he's got a pretty solid pass rush set where it's not just bull rush, bull rush, bull rush. he he can He's got a good spin to him. He's got a good...
00:55:02
Speaker
uh undercut he's got a good hand swipe you know he's got a good idea on on the set that he had but i think he's going to be more of a later guy unless he goes to the combine and like freakishly tests out but is there anybody else you want to bring up because like i said i know you got to take off here pretty soon so yeah no i think you covered it uh relatively well no nobody that at least springs to mind and i'm sure as soon as we pop off i'll be like i forgot these two or three guys and no kidding and then of course people got to realize we're doing this before the combine so you know we don't know who's going to pop off at the combine to the that's going to make you know casuals be like oh we need that guy but jacob it's great to see you again why don't you go ahead and uh tell everybody where they can find you and what you're working on right now
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:55:49
Speaker
Sure. So find me on Twitter X at Jacob Westendorf. That's the only social that I'm on. I was too lazy to try and build a platform on blue sky. And it doesn't sound like that's really, I guess I don't know, but,
00:56:02
Speaker
It's been not bad. Okay. Yeah. I'm not over there. Maybe one day if if everybody else goes over there, I guess, but I'm not over there right now. And then it's off season stuff. So I'll be doing at least one mock draft a week for Bill Huber over at Packers on SI, doing some stuff for PFSN in the off season here, covering Baylor basketball for Baylor on SI. They stink, which kind of was surprising to me. I guess I wasn't overly familiar until I started doing that.
00:56:28
Speaker
And then, of course, the the Green Bay draft guide, which we'll have out for you. This is our fourth year in production, I think. So we'll have that out here before the draft. And if there's a year where you need a draft guide, this year is the year because we talk about those guys that are later in the draft. And those are the picks that the Packers have to nail.
00:56:46
Speaker
So that's Jacob Wessendorf. Be sure to go check out all that stuff over there. Jacob, like i said, it was great to have you on I'm going to do my last bit. So you better go over and feed those kids.
00:56:57
Speaker
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00:57:07
Speaker
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00:58:13
Speaker
questions, comments, be sure to drop a rating. Be sure to drop a comment. Let us know what you think, what you're doing. I know we've had some unflattering comments over on YouTube because of Bears fans. Just got to say Bears still suck. and you know, as always, we appreciate you for listening.
00:58:34
Speaker
We want to hear from you. Let us know how we're doing. As Mike would say, Pack Go and