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The Parsons Football Family 👀 Terrence Parsons Interview | OPE Bonus Episode
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In this special episode of the Ohana Packers Edition Podcast, we sit down with the older brother of NFL superstar Micah Parsons for an exclusive conversation.
We dive into:
- What Micah was like growing up 👀
- The work ethic that built an All-Pro edge rusher
- The mindset behind elite defensive dominance
- Behind-the-scenes family stories
- What it really takes to make it to the NFL
This one’s different. It’s personal. It’s real football talk.
If you love pass rushers, defensive football, draft development stories, and elite NFL mentality — this episode is for you.
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Transcript
Introduction and Special Guest
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. We are Ope. I am Iowa Joe. This is a special bonus episode. Mike's not here. He's still dealing with his, I think he gets back today. So I think that's why he's not here.
00:00:17
Speaker
But I do have a very special guest, Terrence Parsons Jr., better known to most people as Micah's older brother. ah Terrence, thanks for joining me. and And I know we've been kind of going back and forth on Twitter a little bit, trying to get this scheduled, but I appreciate you being here.
Micah's Injury and Recovery
00:00:33
Speaker
Yep, no problem.
00:00:35
Speaker
So the first question is going to be the obvious question because everybody's going to want to know, where's Micah at in his... ah getting back on the field, how's the knee doing for him?
00:00:48
Speaker
It's coming on pretty good. ah He's starting to walk on his own little bit. um He does PT every day on his bicep with his trainers.
00:01:01
Speaker
So he's doing everything possible to get back sooner than what, you know what mean, they may want. Yeah, I mean, it's really crazy. ah i have I had knee surgery back when I was in high school. And I've been and i've been talking with people. I was like, man, he's been he started PT like two days after the surgery. And I remember my PT didn't start until like a week or two weeks after my surgery. He started PT before the surgery.
00:01:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, that's pretty easy that he's getting back. But, you know, like one of my PT guys, because I've been going through a foot issue, so I was down at PT for that.
00:01:42
Speaker
And he goes, well, you know, being in the NFL, they've got the the athletic, the athleticism and the the resources to be able to start doing that stuff. i was like, yeah, I guess the money and the the fame kind of help out with that a little bit.
00:01:59
Speaker
I mean, it's just his drive, man. Like he was going through a lot of pain, but you know what I mean? He's just a type, hey, it's only an object. So you know what I mean? He's just pushing through that. yeah, I can definitely see in the way that he's approaching us that he wants to come back better.
00:02:19
Speaker
So... and you know you may not know this because of uh all that stuff but was it just a uh the acl terror did he have any other structural damage to it yeah it was a clean tear got it so yeah that that should be a lot better for him and no shouldn't be any issues going forward i packer fans are always kind of iffy on that because we've seen guys like david bakhtiari and that that you know they tell us it's an acl tear and you know Bakhtiari is not even playing anymore. So, you know, it kind of, Packer fans get a little bit worried when when that stuff happens. Or like Rashawn, you know, Rashawn seemed to be a little bit different after after his, coming back from his ACL tear. so Packer fans get get a little bit worried when when they see their their players go down with with those injuries So it's good to see him get
Draft Season and Micah's Journey
00:03:14
Speaker
back out there. I know that everybody was laughing about him riding around on a scooter during the the Pro Bowl Stuff so it's good to see he's he's in good spirits and all that too. So um But you know, I guess I'm gonna start this out with we are um
00:03:33
Speaker
you know, this is time of year we focus in on the draft and all that. And and I know Micah was, a highly touted ah prospect going in, into the draft that the year he was taken, you know, what was the process he had to go through, you know, leading up to the draft in when he was drafted? oh Well, for him was a little weird. i don't,
00:03:59
Speaker
Cause I know it wasn't, I know it's not the standard because you know, he was coming out that cold year. Um, so his was a little weird. Um, he didn't play his junior season and he went to California and immediately started training for the dress.
00:04:18
Speaker
Right. So he, he was kind of pretty much prepared for that in all aspects. And that's why I feel like he tested very good. um The process was a little weird because everything was like Zoom and phone calls as far as like. Yeah, yeah. Some things like that.
00:04:38
Speaker
um Definitely interesting process. A lot of teams say that, hey, they give you that. If you're on the board, going to take you. But depends on how the board goes.
00:04:49
Speaker
ah If they like another guy more, they go with that guy. So draft night was pretty interesting. um I thought it was a few places that he was going
College and NFL Career
00:05:01
Speaker
to go.
00:05:01
Speaker
ah Denver was one of them. Oh, yeah. um The Giants.
00:05:11
Speaker
I thought he was going to go to Miami at four. They got into it real late when um after after his 40 time came out, they got into a real late. I thought going to go to Miami at four. But when he fell, I was like, hey.
00:05:26
Speaker
Dallas and that was my team and I told him when that got hurt that he was probably going to go to Dallas and that's what happened. i thought that was crazy. Yeah, I remember that, you know, Packer fans were kind of hoping that he was going to get to them that year. But obviously, you know, he he was drafted a little bit higher than what the Packers were sitting at. But, you know, I'm obviously from Iowa, so I'm a big Hawkeyes fan. and So being that your brother went to Penn State, you know, I did have to deal with him a little bit while i was watching the Hawkeyes. So I knew what kind of player he was. i was at that
00:06:03
Speaker
In what, 2019, I was at that game. Oh yeah, yeah, that it was crazy man. And so I knew what kind of guy he you know what kind of player he was and and I knew there was something special to him now. I didn't want to see him, you know, again as a Hawkeye fan. I was glad when he went out.
00:06:22
Speaker
ah um You know, and, i and a you know, obviously I did kind of want to see him with the Packers just because I didn't know what what kind of player he was. But, you know, obviously he went to Dallas. He put he started.
00:06:36
Speaker
i think the big question mark for him was, is he going to be a ah inside linebacker is he going to be an outside backer is he going to be you know a a defensive end is he you know where they going to put him but i thought dallas put you know did what was best for him and just let him rove around and you know obviously the packers kind of started doing that with with him too but you know ah It was interesting, but on draft night, now he was at home, right? He didn't because of the COVID stuff. team remember there Oh, yeah.
00:07:13
Speaker
Okay. So what's what's the process behind when you're at the draft? Because I was at the draft this year, but obviously I wasn't in like the green room and stuff like that. You know, I was out in the crowd and all that stuff. But you know they they make it look like it's a glamorous thing back there where you you've got comfy chairs and you got the phones and all that stuff but what what's it like back there um it's fun uh you know i mean we're sitting back there uh we're watching the draft too um just family friends you know i mean we got drinks uh
00:07:52
Speaker
Definitely comfy chairs and it's just a good time watching everybody, you know what I mean? Getting their dreams, you know what mean? Watching their dreams come true, was fun. Now, do they they show that some of these guys start getting a little bit close back there? Is it kind of a camaraderie thing when when you're in the green room and you know you're kind of mixing with everybody and you know getting to know them and you keep in touch afterwards?
00:08:17
Speaker
Yeah, you get to meet everybody's family and things like that. It's definitely a pretty cool experience. is there any animosity with any of them there you know like maybe that they played against each other in college and you know it was like hey man you know were we're rooting for you to go but you know we don't want to have to deal with this you know you just kind of leave off in your corner and leave us alone honestly The way that, you know what mean, high school sports and things is now, I just feel like if you go to those camps, I feel like unless you know what mean, you don't like each other from the rip, most of you guys are friends because they've played together or like, you know I mean, went to the same camp since they were 13, 14 years
Terrence's Sports Background
00:09:00
Speaker
old. So like a lot these guys already be friends.
00:09:04
Speaker
Got it. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't imagine. i mean, every once while you hear of players who didn't get along throughout the years, but it's very rare. But, you know, like, um you know, it just it makes you wonder that, like, I've got a picture on my wall, an autographed picture of Brian Bulaga when he was at Iowa. And then in the picture, it's J.J. Watt.
00:09:27
Speaker
Well, you know where he's going up against JJ watch. So I wonder sometimes if that happens and in the green room where they're kind of ribbing each other on. Hey, you know, I could have got you on that play or, you know, you you got lucky there whatever. So oh yeah that happens when they get together like in NFL, you know what mean? it' just So ah yeah it's definitely fun, man. Jeff, never definitely a great night.
00:09:53
Speaker
No, I was trying to do a deep dive on you. obviously, know, you got, you're the older brother, but your your younger brother kind of overshadows because of what he is. But did you actually play too?
00:10:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I played football. wrestled little bit of basketball. We were growing up. My dad had us play a lot of different sports. He ended up selling a wrestling a football.
00:10:16
Speaker
That was my, those are my go-tos for sure. Did you get into college too? Yeah, I did a little bit of juco. Yeah. Where'd you go to JUCO at? ah Thaddeus Stevens.
00:10:29
Speaker
Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. um and So were you a defensive guy too or were you offense? ah I played a little bit of both, but yeah, played Linebacker and fullback in high school and then I played linebacker in college and I wrestled at 195.
00:10:47
Speaker
Gotcha. So was it a big competition between you and your brother when you were growing up? Uh, yeah, a little bit, just a little bit. He was a little younger than I was, but like the mental is definitely still there. Definitely got to outshine.
00:11:03
Speaker
and anyway but Was there a little bit of credit? Cause what is it? It's about a five year difference in four or five year difference between you two. Was there any crossover there? Yeah, like four and a half. Now we didn't get to play each other. He was, like he was coming in when I was leaving.
00:11:20
Speaker
he, um, he um He got, he held back in eighth grade for all athletic reasons. So gotcha gotcha he kind of like reclassed when we were wrestling, we were younger.
00:11:36
Speaker
Micah stopped wrestling like after like seventh, eighth grade, he kind of like stopped and went to basketball. I went from basketball to wrestling. It was funny. He the one that got me into wrestling, but yeah.
00:11:48
Speaker
We learned that in wrestling, oh it was too late for me, but Michael was still young enough, but that like guys are already reclassing to a younger, ah younger class for athletic reasons, giving, I mean, that maturity a little bit. So it definitely worked out for him. He was bigger than everybody he was playing with for real. Yeah, yeah. No kidding. Right. um So,
00:12:12
Speaker
Being the older brother, and I have to ask this, I have an older brother, i have a younger sister. My older brother is is a bit older than I am. He's about 10 years older than I am. So I didn't really have that relationship kind of with him.
00:12:26
Speaker
But what's the what what was it like
Family Dynamics and Early Potential
00:12:31
Speaker
growing up? were Were you the pick on little brother type deal or were you the cool older brother that, you know, if little bro needed help, you were there to help him out with it?
00:12:42
Speaker
a little bit of both he was the one on me to be honest hold on real quick hold on yeah you have no no worries
00:12:51
Speaker
today No worries, Mike has kids too, so we we go through this a lot. Where are we at? um where we at um were Were you the cooler older brother or were you the one that was picking on him and you said Micah was more the one that picked on you? Yeah, a prankster, man.
00:13:10
Speaker
He's prankster. If you're ever around him, you'll get it. Trust me.
00:13:17
Speaker
So with that being said, are there any embarrassing stories that you could like throw out there that'd be like, Micah, I got this on you. You know, you might want to cool your jets a little bit.
00:13:31
Speaker
none of that i can speak going yeah that's good that's all right um so you you know obviously you guys grew up in a household where your dad was you know putting you in all kinds of sports and all that and um when did you realize micah was going to be you know what he is now was there a moment where you're like man this is this kid's going going to the show he's going to be a top guy at the league um freshman year
00:14:11
Speaker
freshman year at Penn State I knew he was going to go to the NFL Sophomore year, I knew that he was going to be special. Yeah. then um Yeah. When I seen that that jump from freshman to sophomore year and what he was doing, especially his last college game, yeah, I knew he was to be special.
00:14:34
Speaker
And did he realize it or did he was he just out there grinding and that was just, you know, the side effect of him grinding or did he have it in his mind? That's what he was going to be doing was he was going to make it to the in NFL hooker by crook.
00:14:50
Speaker
ah Yeah, he had that in his mind from a kid. He that was i mean, obviously, that's something that, you know, everybody talks about what I think. um
00:15:01
Speaker
From like high school, from my high school junior year on, he kind of like locked in. Like, yeah, I know this is the way. Was he heavily recruited?
00:15:18
Speaker
Yeah. ah well he got his first He got his first scholarship after freshman year from Penn State. Oh really, he was he was hooked on with Penn State from freshman year. Yeah, that was his first D1 offer.
00:15:35
Speaker
And then by his junior year, they were rolling in. Well, it's too bad he didn't end up in Iowa. Then I could have said, hey, I watch that guy every Sunday every Saturday. was supposed to be at Ohio State. It was going to worse.
00:15:51
Speaker
oh yeah yeah that well that would make well at least it wasn't michigan my ah my co-host mike is is a michigan alum and he would have had the he would have lorded that over me for years if if that had been the case uh he went to michigan a couple times uh ohio state it was just it was just different at ohio state man um And then they had, you know, Bosa, Chase Young.
00:16:18
Speaker
It was going Micah, Chase Young, and Bosa on the same defensive line. That would have been disgusting. that would have been sick. that That wouldn't have been fun. um oh So was he always – because I think I read something that he was a running back for a little bit in high school.
00:16:38
Speaker
Yeah, he was running back all his life. Yeah. So when did he decide to switch over to full-time defense and and and be a wrecker that he is? i He never, it was, decision was kind of like made for him.
00:16:53
Speaker
um Okay. I really wanted to give that up. Like running back was like, that was his first position. Like he was always the biggest, fastest player on the field. um And freshman year, ah varsity,
00:17:10
Speaker
he wasn't able to play freshman offense varsity, he was able to play freshman defense varsity. ah And that's just where it took off from there. um Micah's very first game as a freshman He was the second string.
00:17:26
Speaker
First string got hurt. He came out at a halftime, ended up getting three, four sacks, blocked a punt, returned for a touchdown in overtime, won his team the game.
00:17:37
Speaker
And it was kind of like all she wrote from there. um And he didn't get to play varsity running back again until ah he changed schools in the middle of his junior year.
00:17:51
Speaker
And that team was what? I want to say like a four and three teams, four and four team. He joined that team and took them all the way to the state championship. Man, that's crazy because I don't know how that is because my school, it's so funny. When I was in seventh grade, they they were okay.
00:18:12
Speaker
the The varsity team was okay, but then they didn't win a game again until I was a senior in high school. So, like you know
00:18:24
Speaker
my high school is pretty good at sports in all sports really um especially when i was in high school well you got to realize i've come from a small farming communities yeah so football isn't really the the the main thing for the school they were they were pretty good with the softball teams they they went to they once stayed a couple times with softball and uh they they were a big wrestling you know you get them farmer boys out there in wrestling and they they were pretty big in that but and then we had some track and field guys that were pretty good but yeah football was second thought to every everything else so they they had a hard time even fielding teams a lot of times but um
00:19:05
Speaker
Yeah, and of course, the year that I decided to play is the year that ripped my ACL and I only got to play like a season. So, you know, I didn't even get to do any of that.
00:19:15
Speaker
um But ah so, you know, Micah gets in the league. You know, obviously, he he takes the league by storm. You know, he's doing well in in in Dallas.
00:19:28
Speaker
We'll jump ahead. Obviously, this last year was kind of the offseason was a little bit hectic. you know hoping to get a ah long-term contract with dallas but things kind of go sour what was kind of you know obviously you can't say too much because like i said i don't want to give micah you or anybody else in trouble but what was really going on with that situation basically media everything pretty much got put out there like you know um because i mean it was just a weird situation um
00:20:03
Speaker
Pride, i would say, just pride. um And obviously Jerry's an old school guy. I mean, you know, he's an 80, 90 year old guy and he, you know, he's used to doing things back in the 70s where it was a handshake deal more than it was. ah You know, we don't want to get this involved. We just want to get this worked out man to man and all that. But, you know, and from Micah's point is he wants to get as much money as he can because he knows he's worth it, which he is worth it.
00:20:31
Speaker
And, you know, that's just not what Jerry was. And and I saw something on because, like I said, I was kind of going through your your your Twitter a little bit. And, you know, he overpaid for a lot of the guys that are on the team. And then when it came time to pay and you had a good analogy for that, you know, you pay your rent, you pay your lights, but you don't or you you pay your lights, you pay your water, but you don't pay your mortgage.
00:20:56
Speaker
and then you're wondering why you know your lights are and your phone's on but you have nowhere to go and so when did it become clear that micah was just done with dallas he never was um it was one of those things where it was just ah it just turned into I just want to be respected at the end of the day. think that's where the relationship got to.
00:21:27
Speaker
um Cause ah you I mean? In the beginning they were friends, you know me Like him and Jerry. ah And I just think that um Jerry just took advantage of that relationship a little bit.
00:21:38
Speaker
um And Micah just, you know what mean? Just came to a point where it's just like,
00:21:46
Speaker
I want to do what's right for the team, but also got to do what's right for me. So, yeah, man, at the end of the day, you know what mean, just negotiate my representation. um I think ah Micah knew that he did his agent a disservice by talking to Jerry that very first time. And um he just wanted to correct that, like, you know what mean, let his agent do his job.
00:22:09
Speaker
And, you I mean, Jerry just took offense to that. ah and basically just made it to where like, hey, if you don't talk to me, you're not gonna get your money. like And it was just it was just a hard position to put Micah in. You know i mean? Micah, him and his agent are pretty close. You know what mean?
00:22:27
Speaker
Micah's only had one agent and that agent was the first guy that he started talking to when he entered the draft process. um So was just like,
00:22:38
Speaker
He's not gonna turn on his agent for Jerry and you know I mean? Jerry just wasn't with that and you know i mean? It just came to a boiling point I think when ah Micah went and got that ah that second opinion on his back and was was able to miss games.
00:22:57
Speaker
Yeah, so. You know, we we get to the point where that relationship kind of, you know, goes where it goes and and Mike is wanting a deal. Does he approach Jerry and say, hey, if you're not going to do this, can we at least work out a trade? You know, or is it just Jerry just starts chopping him?
00:23:16
Speaker
Well, Mike did ask for a trade, but, you know, i mean, that trade, of course, was to, you know, mean, get Jerry to the negotiating table. Cause you know i mean? It was March, it went from, it was no talks for, there was no negotiation talks since March.
00:23:31
Speaker
We're in August now, this is training camp, no negotiations. So, you know mean? It was just like, know what mean? The trade was for a just the, you know what mean? Get on the negotiation table. And then, you know I mean? Jerry was just like fifth year option or leave.
00:23:49
Speaker
And then that's when you know what mean? They gave permission to start talking other teams and, And I didn't know it but you kind of ah verified this, but there was actually a deal in place with Philly that they were doing like two first rounds, a third. And was it Jalen Carter?
00:24:09
Speaker
ah the original offer was two firsts and Jordan Davis. Okay. Cowboys counter it with two firsts and Jalen Carter.
00:24:21
Speaker
And then From there, it was like, well, Micah got work out a deal with Philly. And Micah didn't want to go there if Jalen Carter wasn't there.
00:24:34
Speaker
So he went the other route and negotiated that deal with Green Bay.
00:24:40
Speaker
And he liked Matt LaFleur. Like he said, Matt LaFleur was a big reason why i went there. got it so and that's what i've heard you know obviously i don't know any players you know so i i but just the stuff that we hear as fans and content creators you know we hear that leflore is more of a uh you know like a player's coach he he's a guy that is going to be a friend of the player you know as much of a friend as a coach can be to a player you know there's still got to be that that
00:25:13
Speaker
Hey, I am your boss, but we can still be on good terms type thing. But so you find out that Mike is working this deal with Green Bay. What are your thoughts? Because I know you said you're a Dallas fan. What are your thoughts about him? You know, working a deal with Green Bay?
00:25:33
Speaker
Oh, I didn't even i didn't know until the day of the tree. Oh, no yeah. Yeah, I didn't know until the day of the tree. um But yeah, when I first found out, I was shocked. I was like, oh my God, i didn't I didn't think Jerry would just, I knew a trade was going to be, I was just telling him too, like ah I knew trade was going to be realistic once um once it was getting closer and closer to the season.
00:26:02
Speaker
um I just didn't think it was going to be Green Bay. I didn't think he was actually going to trade him to like an NFC team, a rival for real. And you know what I mean?
00:26:15
Speaker
it was just, I didn't think that he would trade him to a contender. I thought he was, uh, Micah ended up being stuck on a a really bad team. Dallas get a whole bunch of first round picks, maybe a star player.
00:26:28
Speaker
And you know what I mean? it was going to be ugly, but you know, I think i dig i think ah Jerry, he kind of like, I think he kind of won the fan base over with that move and he did Micah a good one. Because at the end of the day, I think he's still Micah the person. I think he still likes Micah the person.
00:26:50
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, I think the Packers did win the trade out, you know, fully. Because no disrespect to, like, Kenny Clark, but Kenny is, you know, kind of on that – slide where you know he's he's getting there up in age. And there's even rumors now that you know Jerry could end up cutting him ah you know for cap release. And you know ah the two, I've put the trade off, and you're a gamer, so you'll get this a little bit. This is like when you're playing franchise mode on Madden. and you know, you're you're trying to get ah a star player like that. So you just start throwing random, you know, picks out there and and players and you know how the meter says, well, they want a defensive tackle, load an offensive tackle and this is so you're like, okay, well, I got this older guy that got contract and so I put it up with Madden style trade. But you know, out of it all, I think the Packers, even though Micah did go down towards the end of the season,
00:27:46
Speaker
what he was doing before the injury was night and day compared to what the packers have had in a long time yeah yeah when i seen y'all hadn't had a 10 sec a 10 sec guy since the day of smith i said oh my gosh um
00:28:07
Speaker
And I definitely, I definitely think the Packers won the trade. The Pack, I mean, the Cowboys have the it have like the possibility of ah making their team better. That's what I said. I think it was definitely a win-win.
00:28:21
Speaker
um The Packers get a guy, a premier Hall of Fame pass rusher you know what I mean, they can essentially get two contracts with. That's almost unheard of um And, you know what mean, the Cowboys got a bunch of picks that, you know I mean, they could trade for a guy like Quentin Williams and, you what mean, make things better.
00:28:46
Speaker
i was, I just sucked for me. I imagine as a Cowboys fan. It sucked for me seeing that, you know what I mean, we got Quentin Williams for a first-round pick.
00:28:58
Speaker
So like, as you had paid a Micah Parsons and you, you know what I mean, you decided not to sign those defensive backs that Micah got paid and, you what mean, you did better with your cap and your money, you could have had Micah Parsons and a Quinton Williams. Now that's, you know what I mean, something to really build on and, you know mean, something that you can really work with, with the offense that you have. I don't see a defense of Micah Parsons and Quinton Williams giving up 31 points per game.
00:29:25
Speaker
when you're 29, know what I'm saying? So ah that's just where I was just at with it. I was like, for years, Mike, I asked for a defensive tackle to help with the run game.
00:29:37
Speaker
and for years, they neglected it. dear They drafted Amaji Smith, but you don't draft a rookie to do a vet's job. And that's all I kept saying. i mean? You don't draft rookies to do vet's jobs. You want guys to come in and do what you pay them for. so you know what mean? You go get a vet, they never did that.
00:29:56
Speaker
And you know what mean? They paid the price. And then they wanted to pre they wanted to prioritize the position when Trader Micah though. That was the craziest part to me. um And now their their biggest need is an edge rusher. Linebacker. I mean, it's just like, I was just saying like, Micah is the type you build the defense around and they just never really did that in four years. They never really did that.
00:30:21
Speaker
um And, you know, it seemed like the Packers already had that base established when they brought in Micah. So it was already like we've we've pre-built this and we just need that premier guy.
00:30:37
Speaker
yeah i do love the fact that one of the first people that he said he was excited to play with was my boy Lucas Van Ness. So, you know, what what does – or maybe you know or don't. What does Micah What made Micah, you know, think that highly of Lucas? what What's he seeing that he can say, that's the guy I want to play next to?
00:31:03
Speaker
i would assume his size and speed. You know what I mean? It's not too many guys that, you know what mean, that size can move that well. arms Like Micah, you know i mean? um and I was just thinking, I mean, that's a guy that he kind of like got there and kind of like bonded with quick and was able to get up like, hey, man, like, let me let me help you and bring you along.
00:31:25
Speaker
And he's that type. You know, i mean, he's he's that type of teammate. He knows that it's a team game and he knows that he can't do it by itself. Yeah. and I saw earlier that he had Baron Sorrell out there working and with him and and that. So, you know, that i but too who's that?
00:31:43
Speaker
I mean, Baron are pretty close to. Yeah, yeah. it Well, Baron seems like he's got a lot of the same, i don't want to say emotional, but like aspects to him that Micah has, because we saw that during draft day when, you know, he was fourth round pick and, you know, he's in the green room and they do the whole bring him out on the stage and all that. And you could tell how he was emotionally there and invested in in the in in being drafted. And you could kind of tell that with Micah too, when he was,
00:32:15
Speaker
You know, obviously when when he runs out on the field in his first game with Green Bay, i don't think I've heard Lambeau that loud in a long time. but Were you there when he played in the first week?
00:32:28
Speaker
No, I wasn't there. That was too soon. um But, yeah, I was watching it on TV and I was like, yeah, they love this all yeah mean That's all I about.
00:32:42
Speaker
um So have you been up there since since he's been he he got traded? Yeah, I love it out there, man. I love it out there. Good times, good people, good vibes. um Okay, well, the big question is, have you had cheese curds yet?
00:32:57
Speaker
I'm not really big on cheese. Oh, man, come on now. I ain't really pick on cheese. But I never had some good food out there though. I've had some food. Well, I'm gonna give you a recommendation the next time you go up there. And I hope they hear this so they know that I was the one that sent you over there.
00:33:17
Speaker
There's a place on Broadway, which isn't too far from the stadium. It's called Cheesesteak Rebellion. It's a Star Wars theme restaurant and bar.
00:33:28
Speaker
And they have some of the best cheesesteak you ever wanted.
00:33:32
Speaker
So, you know, you go up there and and you make sure you tell them that I sent you over there. That way they can send us a sponsorship or something. hyrate But, um, so it was a kind of a culture shock though, being the, you know, you come from Dallas, that are a couple million people to green Bay. That is maybe 160,000 people.
00:33:57
Speaker
No, not really because I was gonna tell you like we came from a small town kind of like a small. Okay. um I think the city, I think the city that we came from, I think Green Bay might be a little bit bigger than that. So it's just, you know what mean?
00:34:14
Speaker
Our city, where we're from, they were big, they pretty big on all sports, all sports really. Wrestling there was always a big one too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely good with that PA man, PA and wrestling man.
00:34:27
Speaker
So definitely not a culture shock. It was something like we were kind of used to, especially, you know what I mean, Micah, he went to Penn State. So it was just like, similar vibes really. um So like, yeah I mean, that was part of the reason why he went there too. um He chose Green Bay because, you know what mean, heard ah serious about football, man. um And that's all he wanted to be, know what mean? He just wants to win.
00:34:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we all want to win too. You know, it's been 15 years since we got that that last championship. We need one coming soon. But um so, you know, when when the news breaks that he's getting traded to Green Bay, who were, were there any players that reached out right away and said, Hey, you know, we're happy to have you got, you know, you here, you know, who were the first ones that kind of reached out to Mike on that?
00:35:18
Speaker
Oh, I have no idea. i would assume was probably Jordan. It was probably Jordan. Yeah. It was probably Jordan. I could see that too.
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah, Jordan, that was his guy before the trade. You know what mean? The agency that they were part of, they kind of get those guys together pretty good amount. So it'd be good.
00:35:47
Speaker
It'd be good, you know what mean, when they do orchestra. Like, I think he was instrumental in getting that trade done, for sure. of The agent, David, I think he was instrumental. because Yeah. The Packers are a pretty good organization. I didn't know ah too much about the Packers before, know what mean, Mike got there. But being here now, yeah definitely, i like the organization, for sure.
00:36:13
Speaker
You know, I've grown up in it. ah You know, I don't think a lot of people know my backstory with it, but I have family that are about an hour south of Green Bay. So when I was a kid, it was we'd go up, see the family, and then we'd take a trip to Green Bay. So, you know, it it it was always i kind of or you know, I'd be in the house and grandpa would be watching the football game or, you know, something like that. So I kind of grew up Green Bay and that's how I got into it. So.
00:36:38
Speaker
uh but it's the reason i was wondering about the culture shock is because the town that i'm in and grew up in is about 900 people oh man yeah i graduated the class of 48 and that was considered big for our high school so going to green bay is like something that small yeah that's crazy yeah so going to green bay is like massive man that's like a whole and that's a big city to me let they i like take a craft
00:37:11
Speaker
pretty much pretty much only we don't get as bad as snow storms as where he's from the um so you know obviously he you guys were with pit you know dealing with the pittsburgh weather and that Is it kind of different with the snowstorms and that they get in Green Bay, or is Micah kind of adapted to that?
00:37:35
Speaker
Oh, no, that cold out there is different. It's different only because you got that wind. Yeah, and you got lake effect, yeah. Yeah, like that wind, man, that wind is, tell people the time, that wind is catching.
00:37:52
Speaker
It don't matter what you wear, that wind is going to you. know Yeah, so. um And it just randomly snows. That's the joke that we have here in Iowa, too, that is if you don't like the weather, wait five minutes and it'll change.
00:38:11
Speaker
So, yeah, but um oh obviously now the Packers have brought had to bring in a new defensive coordinator.
00:38:22
Speaker
and And that because Jeff Halfley obviously deserved to get a head coaching job. I wish he would have been able to get a better one than the Miami one because I think Miami is kind of a not in a good position right now for an organization. But, ah you know, i wish him well and all that.
00:38:37
Speaker
Has Micah talked about how he's feeling with with Jonathan Gannon bringing in being brought in? And is he pretty excited to work with with his new head defensive coordinator?
00:38:50
Speaker
Oh, I haven't talked so much about it. Right now. I think he's just so focused on getting back getting back. Yeah. um He probably won't have nothing really to say until like, he gets a playbook or has a conversation with him about, you know, I mean, scheme and how they're gonna use them.
00:39:09
Speaker
Right? Does he have any preference on what what kind of scheme he he plays out of whether it'd be a a four, three or a three, four? um I have no idea, but I mean, i I would only assume that, you know what mean? That three, four, the way that, the way that he's built and the way that he plays that three, four would work so much better. Yeah. I mean, and you'll be able to free them up a lot more on that edge and have somebody to take his double teams.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, Although I have to say, you know, I think Van Ness is going to struggle in a 3-4 a little bit more because he's not used to being ah a stand-up guy. so I would obviously i would put him on the edge.
00:39:57
Speaker
Well, yeah. I would put him in that the 3 put him on the ground. I would put him and Gary on the ground, and I would have ah him him, Gary, and Baron, I would have them on the ground, and I would – put ah I would put Chio probably on that other outside linebacker spot.
00:40:19
Speaker
Somebody that can move a little bit better. yeah i mean it's possible i just know that van s has been you know through iowa and that he was always a four three inside yeah so you know not that he's not athletic enough to be able to do whatever they ask him to do i just i think his his better spot would be that that defensive tackle in ah in a four three you know more an interior guy than than an edge guy but uh you know he's been able to have you know we were pretty excited about him this year because before the injury he was looking pretty good and obviously micah helping him you know he's been able to you know kind of fit better into what he what his abilities can do but um obviously micah a little bit more vocal than what packer fans are used to which is not a bad thing i mean i i've been saying for years we need somebody like that but
00:41:16
Speaker
do you think that it's easier for you to speak out on some of the things micah is frustrated with because you don't have to worry about you know team being mad at you team you know this player over here being mad at you or anything like that i'll try not to speak for him i just put um i'll try not to speak for him i just tell him i just try to speak from my point of view of what I see was going on
00:41:50
Speaker
Yeah. The reason I ask is because obviously and I would I'm not going to mention names even though I've gotten into with this gentleman on Twitter a few different times but there is a certain players family that you know specifically his dad that gets a little too nutoid when it comes to certain aspects about what's going on with the team and all that. What's that?
00:42:13
Speaker
what's that talking about nine he Well, yeah, you can you can put it out there.
00:42:22
Speaker
ah um like it yeah um I like that's the only that's the only guy that I see outside of myself that like, you know, i mean, talks as much as I do.
00:42:33
Speaker
yeah and you know it's it's nothing against it because like i said i i appreciate that you guys are you know sticking in there for is obviously you know as as a player on the team it's harder to be a little bit more vocal because you know you've got to work with that guy you've got to be around that guy you know constantly so it's harder to call out something but sometimes i think people can take things a little too far with their call out and think they know more than what they're actually saying and so when I see you do it's like okay I can agree with that and then you see certain other ones that say it's like my dude that's that's not the hill you want to die on
00:43:16
Speaker
yeah see like I try to just comment on the game as I it um ah try not to
00:43:27
Speaker
go like specific call out unless I feel like it's deserved. Like, you know mean? Like, but usually, you know what mean? People make mistakes. know what I mean? Players are to make mistakes. Players fuck up.
00:43:39
Speaker
So like, you know what mean? It's just the name of the game. You know what I mean? just to take it as it is. know mean? That's why I hate when these coaches are getting fired because you know what mean? Player execution. oh Didn't understand the mat before. Hey, that's player execution. And all like you know what I mean? Like, it's just, you can't,
00:43:58
Speaker
control certain things even as a player you can't control certain things things are just going to happen you know i mean uh games moving too fast things are just gonna happen yeah um i i the one thing that i want to say about leflore and you know i've been kind of a fan of the floor but i've kind of tailed off a little bit just because there's a couple aspects about his side of things that just kind of and and my co-host mike has been frustrated with it a little bit The common joke that I have on this show is that it seems like Matt plays like he only has a certain amount of points he could score in a season.
00:44:34
Speaker
And by that, I mean, it's like, okay, well, we can only score 600 points in a season. So we've got to limit how many points we can score per game to come in under that 600 points. Because we've seen what he, when he lets loose on the playbook, we've seen what Matt LaFleur can put out there.
00:44:54
Speaker
But then there's times it's like he goes conservative. And it's like, Matt, if you would just score, you know, rack up the score, you wouldn't have to worry about your defense being on the field constantly. It's a from what from what I've seen, especially this year, um
00:45:17
Speaker
Matt, he's a grinder. yeah When I was talking, when not when I first had a conversation with him, when I went to Green Bay, right after the trade, we went out to Green Bay and I got the, meet him and things like that. And just talking to him, um I can just tell he's a grinder. ah he He's the type that he doesn't usually take days off. He's gonna he's gonna be in there, he's gonna be watching the film.
00:45:44
Speaker
And you can just tell he's an over he's a over-thinker. So you know what I mean? Overthink it. um Sometimes, know mean? Hey, it can hamper you a little bit, but I'd rather have that over-thinker who's prepared for everything.
00:45:58
Speaker
than a guy that's not going to be prepared. So, and what I've seen is there's just been times this year where he doesn't trust the O-line. And I'm inclined to, you you know I mean, watching the games.
00:46:13
Speaker
And, know mean, you can tell, you can even tell him the pressure, like he's not trying to call nobody out, but he's like, bro, we have to block who we're supposed to block. And it's just that, we have to block we're supposed to block. He doesn't want to call nobody out, but it's really that simple. You have to block you're supposed to block. Right, right. And I kind of felt like and where I was going with the Micah thing was I felt like Micah was kind of doing that in his own way too with some of the things that he was saying a little bit where, you know, and this is just paraphrasing on one where, you know, if I'm, you know, I'm the guy. What's that? did a video on it.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah, did a video on it. Yeah, so. I know what you're saying. Like, and like a lot people took it as like, know what I mean? calling out like Rashawn Gary and things like that. But it was just like, it wasn't a call out. It was more of like, a as a team, like this is what we need to do to be successful.
00:47:06
Speaker
um We can't get tired, hey. On defense, if we got to play 80 snaps, we got to play 80 snaps. Hey, we can we can't bitch and cry about it. We got to make sure we're preparing our bodies to go out there and have to do it. Because when the game's on the line and we need to get that stop, we got to to get that stop if we want to go to where want to go to.
00:47:28
Speaker
And it's just like, you know i mean? That's just where he's he's not calling nobody out. He's just calling the real of the situation. like A lot of times this year in the fourth quarter, yeah, the offense can't move the ball. We got to keep going back out there. But going back out there, we can't give up 21 in a quarter. We can't give up two touchdowns in a quarter. You know what I mean? um We got to be able to limit those points. was just thinking in certain games, we just weren't able to do that, especially when Michael went down, I felt like.
00:47:56
Speaker
Outside of a couple of games that we didn't finish when Mike was on the field, I think it came like more towards like special teams or anything. But you got to get the stops, you go get the stops. You know what I mean? Yeah. Hey, got to go Cleveland, score that touchdown.
00:48:11
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like you got to get the stops, get the stops. So know what mean? You got train for that in off season. And that's one thing I'd tell people about Mike.
00:48:23
Speaker
Yeah, he may talk a lot and like he may ah do or say certain things that rub people the wrong way or whatever case may be. But at the end of the day, I watch him not take days off, you know. Yeah. um Even on vacation, you know what mean He's going to go get his mile or two in, you know what mean? He's going to hit the gym for a little bit. And, know what mean, going to get his workout in. He's just never a day where he's not doing anything.
00:48:54
Speaker
Even during this in-game town, you know what I mean? During my birthday, know what mean? He dipped off for a little 45 minutes to do a little workout and you know what I mean? Hit the sound real quick. He's just not, he's not taking that time off.
00:49:08
Speaker
He's, he doesn't, he's know what he's grinding for. and you know what mean? If everybody had that same type mindset, hey, this is what we're grinding for. we're going be successful.
00:49:21
Speaker
And I think that's was all he was trying to say. like And that's why and and if I pointed out like, hey, like, yeah, he's saying this is what we have to do. He's putting his stuff in. This is what we have to do. And know what mean? He's going to bring up his side. I can't wait to see like when he can actually start doing field work and who's out there with Yeah, and I felt like he was calling out more than just Rashawn. I mean, Rashawn was just the easy target on that. But I think, like you said, it was it was more of a general we need to do it more than it was a full out
00:49:55
Speaker
this specific person needs to work on this, this and this. But, you know, overall, I think Packer fans aren't used to that type of person. So we're we're we're trying to read more into it than what actually needs to be there because we're not used to vocalization. So like when Z'Darrius Smith was here, that was a little bit different for ah a lot of Packer fans because we weren't used to the the the
00:50:23
Speaker
the how do I want to put that the ah emotion in the in the talk and and stuff like that? You know, we're so used to coach speak and and that type of thing when it comes to interviews that it's we've got as fans, we've got to readjust to what we're hearing from players.
00:50:44
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I mean, ah feel like you should want to hear from the best player, regardless of from your favorite player, regardless of like As long as they got nothing negative to say, you want to you i feel like people want to see and feel that emotion after loss and after wins. and Yeah, yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, um what they saw out there. um And, you know what I mean, Micah, he's just never he's never really been the type to hold back of what he thinks.
00:51:15
Speaker
He's just never been the type. Me, I'm kind of thoughtful and planned out of what I'm going to say. He's like – He's just always been the type that, hey, I'm going to say what comes to mind.
00:51:25
Speaker
And he's just always Me and him would probably get along very well then because I'm the same way. As I've gotten older, I got to the point where I'm just, I'm a blunt person. i'm you know I'll be 40 this year. So it's like, i spent too much time in my youth not saying what needed to be said. So it's just a lot easier to come out and say it than it is to try to think of something to say. oh yeah, he gonna let you know.
00:51:52
Speaker
this Yeah, I mean, so that's why I mean, sometimes he can run people the wrong way, but at the same time, it's like, if you're around him, if you're a team or anything, he only wants you to be great.
00:52:03
Speaker
So you know what mean? He gonna give you the real, he wants you to be great. He wants you to
00:52:08
Speaker
surpass the expectations that you have for yourself. yeah yeah and and that's something that the packers really need to to so again this might be a question that you can't really answer because you're not in his mind but i don't know if you guys have had conversations how did micah manage to get the number one for his jersey number because it's been a non-thing for so many years with with the packers well he wanted to get uh he wanted to get 11. and okay yeah
00:52:40
Speaker
Jaden Reed, that price tag was too high. So he was like, and then it was like, he was like zero or one.
00:52:50
Speaker
I think they were bringing both numbers back or something like that. So was like zero one. Neither number has been worn. I mean, number one was unofficially retired because it was Curly Lambeau.
00:53:03
Speaker
Zero has never been an option for the Packers. So that's why I said, how how did he manage to open up that that door that got him and Golden these two numbers that opened up in the past? One and then like.
00:53:18
Speaker
He was like one and they were like, oh yeah, we're going to have to goingnna make that happen for you. And yeah, that one definitely going to look good especially when you take the one off 11. Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense, baby.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was quite the surprise when when people were talking about that because kind of like the same way with number five. Number five is unofficially retired because of Paul Horning. So you don't really see that one worn During the season. I mean, you might see a camp body have it during during the training camp and all that, that but you you never see it. So number one was kind of the same way. And the last guy that I remember having it was a camp body years ago, Alex Gillette. He was a wide receiver. And that was the last guy that I remember having it and he never wore it during the regular season because he was never active on on the regular season. So when he started talking, number one, it's like, all right, who's Paul to the grease? What? You know, how how the howd this one managed to happen? so I was thinking, I mean, when they did something when they did something historical, you know, mean, you gotta follow that up, man. um
00:54:28
Speaker
I just think, and that was another thing, know mean? It was just like the love from the get-go. It was like, you know what mean? they They did everything that Jerry wasn't willing to do.
00:54:41
Speaker
And then, you what I mean? They've been, know what mean? Like for Micah's fifth-year option, you know i mean? They were trying to pay him at defensive. And then they were trying to short him like $3 million. The Packers like, huh, you're trying to go to court with Jerry about this? Huh, you can have it We don't even care. Huh, have it. ah He won't give you $42 million? Huh, here's $47 million. You know what mean?
00:55:08
Speaker
yeah i mean so was just like once they did all that they were like hey man that's a number hey have it so was like was there any other discussion about any possible one other one or was it he had it in his mind since I can't get 11 this is the one I want oh it was one or zero he asked me he was like which I think that should get I should get one or zero one yeah one's better one's better and then go and did that kind of go with the sack celebration now that he you know where he single you know points sky with the one yeah I think I think he came I think he came i think it was just like something that just came to him when it happened and then he just stuck with it that that's pretty cool that that is um so you know <unk> we're we're
00:55:56
Speaker
We're getting to the point in the season where, you know, to where the new season is going to be rolling around. The Packers did make a move that I think was heavily relied on from information from Micah. But, you know, again, I'm not in the front office. They did bring in Trayvon Diggs for that short amount of time.
00:56:16
Speaker
You know, is there, obviously you're not in the upper, but do you think Micah is trying to push to bring him back? Or do you think that boat's kind of sailed for now?
00:56:27
Speaker
I think that's going to depend on Jonathan Gannon. um i know that he definitely, he has the same agent as Mike and Jordan Love now. So it's just like, I think, I figured that was always going to be something that happened. If they didn't cut him, it was going to be like, ah they're going to definitely rework that contract because know the Packers want to pick up that contract that he had. yeah um So I knew that was probably something that's always to happen. um I'm just interested to see if, yeah, they want to bring him back, if Jonathan Guinnemore wants him back, and, you know what mean, how he's going to look. Because, what mean, this is going to first offseason that he's had in the last two years where he gets to train instead of rehab. So I expect me to see a better Trayvon Diggs next year for sure.
00:57:17
Speaker
Do you think is Micah pretty vocal about that stuff that, hey, you you know, not obviously threaten anything or anything like that, but pretty vocal to the guy saying, hey, you know, maybe we should go out and get this guy. Maybe we should, you know, obviously the big the big joke or not joke, but the big talking point right now is, you know, he asked George Pickens if he was ready to play in that green and gold. You know, is Micah pretty vocal on that end where, you know, he's he's lobbying for these guys?
00:57:46
Speaker
if If his voice is going to be heard, yes.
00:57:50
Speaker
But, know what mean? I know – you know what I mean? George Figgins is his guy and all that, but he knows it's unrealistic to get George Figgins. we need ah We need some other positions for sure. Wide receiver ain't one of them.
00:58:05
Speaker
For sure. Now there was one thing I did see on your, your, your Twitter that kind of perked my ears because I've been on the boat that this guy needs to be resigned like yesterday and it hasn't happened. And that's Quay Walker. And you said something about, you know, it may not happen due to what was said in his exit interview. Yes. What are you kind of hearing on that end? Or can you not disclose that?
00:58:31
Speaker
Um, I haven't, I don't know quite. I haven't talked to or anything like that, but yeah, just from what he said in his exit interview, you what I mean? About, you know what I mean?
00:58:42
Speaker
Fumbling games before I got here, while I've been here. And it just sounded like a guy who didn't want to come back. Me personally, I mean, obviously, what mean? He could just be in his feelings or, you know what I mean? Having a bad day or,
00:58:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a rough loss, especially the way we lost him twice. Like, rough. Yeah. Super rough. um So, like, I wouldn't be – I feel like that's a guy you've got to bring back, ah unless you're replacing him with somebody of equal caliber. I mean, he was huge for the defense, especially in the run game.
00:59:14
Speaker
um So, ah definitely, I'm interested to see how that goes. But, yeah, definitely guy you need to bring back. I'm just not so sure if he's not looking at greener pastures.
00:59:26
Speaker
its It's possible and he's going to get a bag and i think the Packers do are kind of kicking themselves for not picking up that fifth year option on him. It was a gamble and you know, like any other gamble you you win or you lose and I'm pretty sure the Packers lost on that one. But you know, he is only going to be 27.
00:59:47
Speaker
mean You know, he's still the young and him and Ed have seemed like pretty good teammates on that. and then add in Mike on there and Colin Oliver and, you know, it's, it would be, so it I think it would be a significant loss that would cause another hole to open that doesn't need to be opened.
01:00:06
Speaker
Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, understand, you what mean? Money a little tight, but hey, man, got to do you got to do. restructure. give rid Yeah, life yeah yeah, I feel you. Nothing that Mike and I haven't talked about a lot already.
01:00:24
Speaker
oh I mean, like, it's just the nature of the business. I mean, I like, you know what mean, Rashawn Gary. You know what mean? I like Rashawn Gary. I think he's good player. i think um he has value to the defense. um But it's hard to justify spending $70 million dollars at a position and there's only one double-digit set guy. Yeah.
01:00:53
Speaker
and you go seven weeks without producing a sack yeah that that kind of hurts too i mean it's just i understand game i mean it's hard you know i mean but it's just like hey you getting paid baby um we just need and we need you to be there um And there's some other guys. i mean, I've been very vocal that I'm not a big Keyshawn Nixon guy. i mean, he's he's a good, solid CB three, but I don't think he's at CB one like see like he likes to talk about and have a love hate relationship with his. That's the confidence and attitude that you need to play the position.
01:01:40
Speaker
For sure. And that's my big thing is if you're going to talk the talk, you've you've definitely got to walk the walk on that one. So my and i my whole thing is, okay, you can be cornerback one. That's fine. Have that same confidence and swagger.
01:01:56
Speaker
But when the team needs you to return kicks, that's what you got to do. i don't yeah I don't want to return kicks from quarterback one. You're not that good, bro.
01:02:06
Speaker
There's people that can say that, but you're not one of them. Like you were an all pro returner. How do you not want to do that no more? I don't know. Especially in a position where you see that we need that.
01:02:18
Speaker
You know what I mean? They haven't had that. You know i mean?
01:02:22
Speaker
That's my only issue. um I love the confidence. I love the swagger. I think he had some very solid games, but hey, at the end day, you got to his best for the team.
01:02:33
Speaker
um that that was your value that they even brought you in for. You weren't come here to be cornerback one. You came here to be a kicker turner. So it's just like, yeah of I mean, I get it from his point of view. don't knack him. It's just like, the end of the day, though, if you want to win, you got to his best for the team.
01:02:51
Speaker
And that's what I feel like, too. And, you know, even when he wasn't, quote, unquote, the CB1, I didn't think he was – the best out on the field and that wasn't to say he was bad but he definitely wasn't like i said the value of cb1 and again this isn't you know i don't know queshawn i do love that he that he can talk the talk i do love that i think that's again another thing the packers are missing is they don't have i mentioned this last week in our episode with with jason perrone when we were talking cornerbacks for the draft that
01:03:28
Speaker
I miss that on the team having that dog that can that can talk and back it up. And, you know, what was the one thing that the Packers missed last year? You know, when Jordan got hit all those times that he did late in the season, if that had been so and so years ago, that defensive player had been on his ass. Well, this year, you know, where were the offensive linemen? They weren't even, you know, it's hard to say.
01:03:56
Speaker
Hard to say because it all depends. Like, some things that, yeah, people got away with, like, you know what mean? Like in the Broncos game, that I mean, sometimes, you know what mean? know what mean? you miss it. You know what mean? Yeah, i mean, we catch it as viewers, but, like, you what Players don't always see.
01:04:12
Speaker
But, like, at the of the day, like, You don't want to come, you what mean, Matt LeForest said, obviously you want to defend your guy, but at the end of the day, you know what mean, you want your guys to keep your head because you don't want to turn a bad situation worse, you know what mean, with a 15-yarder, know what mean? Like, obviously, know mean, if you get it, you know what mean, your coach is going to be okay, I understand.
01:04:35
Speaker
But, hey, we've seen those 15-yarders lose and win games. I watched a game this year where the Jets, The Jets were in field goal position.
01:04:47
Speaker
They got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike contact ah because Justin Fields, I think he got hit a certain way and they got 15 yards. Not the matter field goal range. They lost by three. You know what mean? I've seen a lose game. So it's just like, you just got I get it. You want to defend your guy, but a sometimes if it's not between the whistles you just gotta let it go sometimes you know what i mean that get it's not always a good look but i'd rather have the cool head out there i'd rather have the cool head i don't know man i think they need to hire at least one guy that's gonna go out there and throw hands if if you hit my franchise quarterback i i'm going after you but
01:05:33
Speaker
No, I get it. you You don't want to cause them. But like I said, I'm used to as Packer fans and not just Packer fans, but fans in NFL, we're we're used to seeing the offensive line protect. Man, those funds is hefty.
01:05:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You got to pay a guy, man. does it Yeah. swift Yeah, so, but um are are you big into watching like or tracking people for like the draft and that? Is there anybody that you've watched that you were like, hey, man, I'd love to see him on that Packers team? um Cornerback from Texas, Muhammad.
01:06:10
Speaker
I like him. Malik Muhammad.
01:06:14
Speaker
If we actually have to do move on from Quay Walker, I would like ah Anthony Hill. If he was to be around in that and that second round, if we were to go linebacker corner, I feel like it definitely should be linebacker corner in that first round. I mean, that second round.
01:06:32
Speaker
um ah feel like there's a lot of cornerback depth in this draft. I really do want to see us get one in that second round. um you Unless you, Delane.
01:06:44
Speaker
But I feel like he's going to go for Yeah, he's probably going to go in first part of the – unless we get the Laramie Tunstall, you know, gas mask bong video drop or something. But, yeah, he should go pretty high.
01:06:57
Speaker
Yeah, I thought, yeah, he's going to be first-rounder. um But there's a few guys that I see that we could definitely take in that second round at the cornerback position. yeah i'm pretty much on the record that i think they're gonna they're gonna treat the cornerbacks like they've done a lot of the other patient positions like safety and that where they're gonna sign one and then they're gonna draft two and and you know if they don't come out of this draft with at least one then you got a kind of question what's going on over at lambo because
01:07:30
Speaker
I think that was the main thing that hurt the Packers last year was corner depth that, you know, they were only using two or three corners out of all of them that they had. And, you know, it, it, it wasn't working for them, especially after Micah got hurt.
01:07:47
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the corner, they weren't, I like Valentine. I think, uh, my big knock on him is he, he's, he's not a tackler. Yeah. Um,
01:08:00
Speaker
Hard, hard. i mean Playing cornerback, I don't think people understand how hard it is open field tackle. um But, you know what mean? He could add he couldve easily had 600 seconds this year, easily. yeah um I think that's just something he can improve on.
01:08:18
Speaker
um So I'm interested to see like what his next steps are. i do I did like what I saw. i even like I even like what I saw from Nixon. you know i mean i don't think that he should be,
01:08:29
Speaker
one, unless he takes another step. um But even if they don't draft, if you sign one, sign a cornerback one, I'm comfortable with that room. um I like Nate Hobbs. I like his exit interview. You know what I mean? he was He said a lot of real things. you know i mean? He said he was hurt. It was hard getting back.
01:08:53
Speaker
He said ah next year he plans on being one of best players in the defense. If that's the case, We have a really good deal. oh and And I think a lot of people are down on him because of the big money contract that he signed and then not being able to play. And that just – those optics aren't good. But I'm willing to overcome that because he was dealing with a lot of injuries. so you know, i'm I always give players benefit of the doubt until they they give me a reason not to –
01:09:25
Speaker
ah believe it. So, yeah, I feel like he could be something. But the big problem there is is he going to be able to play on the outside or if he is he going to be the nickel? And if he's at the nickel, then what are you going to do with Bullard who, you know, really came on last year as the nickel guy? So that that's going to be an interesting one-on-one when it comes to training camp.
01:09:50
Speaker
Yeah. And the defense is a lot of losses. They definitely have a lot to deal with their work. Yeah, so oh we're going into year two for Micah being in here.
01:10:03
Speaker
Obviously, he's coming off the big injury. You know, is is he shooting for that Miles Garrett record this year, or or is he just going to go out there and, you know, do what he does?
01:10:16
Speaker
Oh, he's going to shoot for it. He's going to shoot for it. Now, is he going to be obtainable? Probably not. Probably not.
01:10:26
Speaker
But, what you know, it's all about the chase. know um You you got to pick your goals up. You got to land. man
01:10:38
Speaker
Now, we as Packer fans know what we saw on the field. We know the frustration that the coaches had. We know the frustration Micah had.
01:10:50
Speaker
Were we overstating the holding that was not being called last year? Or was there a lot of issues with that last year?
01:11:01
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oh this There was nothing new.
01:11:07
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Nothing new. For sure. um It's just something that, like, you know, even, yeah, you guys were new to it. um But, yeah, it's something that Michael has been doing for the last three years now. So it was, like,
01:11:24
Speaker
He doesn't even when he was when he was in the career, he would it would bother him. But now it's just like he just accepted it as part of the game. Yeah, I mean, part of the part of the chase. um But yeah, he knows man, it's blatant, it's ignorant. It's it's all the above. yeah And if you ask me, it's the reason why he got hurt. um Yeah, yeah.
01:11:51
Speaker
yeah um But it's just, you know what the in fill The NFL is going to allow it because they they want to offense the no we can do but play through it And mean people say that, oh, Mike, it's your flop.
01:12:08
Speaker
It's just like, I mean, I get it. Yeah, he should maybe fail the call. But that's just not and what what stop in motive. Fail the call. the call. I got a call.
01:12:22
Speaker
You know what I mean? What's that? I got to get my full effort. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, and and it's pretty amazing that he still had the production he did while still not getting a lot of those calls. So, you know, that that just shows what type of player he is. But, you know, yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker
we're We're getting the ball about a little over an hour. i know your little guy is is kind of fussing over there, so I'm going to I don't want to hold on to you too much longer. um But, you know, is there is there anything you're really looking forward to seeing out of Micah this year other than, you know, the you know, making it is week one feasible for him?
01:13:11
Speaker
Depends. Yeah. It's feasible if he's feeling good. turns Right. It's feasible.
01:13:23
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um
01:13:25
Speaker
If he mean can't get to three weeks of practice time, In training camp, it's not to be feasible. I feel like they're going to want at least three weeks of practice time before putting them out on the field. And you've got to be comfortable with all the bending. and So for that, I would say, and I think the Packers are going to extremely cautious.
01:13:51
Speaker
Yeah. Christian. So um just off of that, I would say no. But, you know what mean? I don't see him starting season on the puck list. i think he will be able to do, like, individual things. It's just he can get the team, he's going to tell a lot.
01:14:11
Speaker
But, like, I think his timeline's week three. I don't see him going to do it. Well, that would be quite the jump. I mean, that would even beat what Christian did. I know he was a couple weeks before what Christian's timeline injury was, but that would even kind of beat Christian's timeline. And it still boggles my mind because I was out nine months with my knee surgery 20 years ago. that a problem, Craig? Because we've got no ones?
01:14:41
Speaker
Christian got hurt in January and was back in October. So I think that was and I think what Micah was in December. so it was about a month. So yeah, that would be a still a little bit none sooner than what.
01:14:54
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, it's going to be interesting. It's amazing that they're the, like I said, in my old mind, you know, 20 some years ago with my knees, Reggie is like, man, they weren't even talking about getting me back on the field until nine months after. surgeryri Um, I knew Chris wasn't gonna be back pretty soon. He was saying, uh, before he was practicing, was we were already running a board you're already running full full speed for the whole time of year.
01:15:22
Speaker
You already. Yeah. That's gonna tell lot.
01:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. So like I said, I'm not going hold you up too much longer, but if you want to go ahead and give out your, where they can find you, i hope to get back with you sometime. Cause I want to talk gaming with you. Cause you know, I'm a big gamer too. So why don't you tell everybody where they can find you and what you're up to right now? um You can find me T Perky Boy on X, X,
01:15:50
Speaker
and xbox ah podcast attack fortune network I'm going to be doing some practice teams, following a bunch of teams around the league, mostly Packers, Eagles, and Cowboys.
01:16:07
Speaker
We're going to cover 32 teams, um have interviews, guests, things like that.
01:16:16
Speaker
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