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Lambeau Letdown: Packers Fall to the Ravens
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A tough loss at home.
The Packers fall to the Ravens at Lambeau Field, and we break down how a winnable game slipped away. From missed opportunities to key moments that turned the tide, we analyze what went wrong, what still looked encouraging, and what this loss means moving forward.
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Transcript
Intro
Welcome and Current Challenges
00:00:21
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Orohanna Packers Edition and podcast. The Packers, just like last year, are just just reversing into the playoffs in sad trombone fashion shit and we've got a front row seat to it. But joe Joe, I'm glad I was at Universal Studios yesterday and not watching the
Personal Stories and Episode Segments
00:00:41
Speaker
game. the game Yeah, I was at the Humane Society because we're thinking about getting another dog. So I spent some time with with a scared pupper for a little bit. So that was able to keep my mind off this game for a bit. But yeah, it wasn't much.
00:01:01
Speaker
Honestly, I haven't watched the whole thing, so you can take the lead on this one. You're not missing much. Yeah, let's just not take too much time on this one, and let's go with the segments.
00:01:16
Speaker
Mmm, cheese.
00:01:21
Speaker
There we go. For some reason, it delays on my side. Oh, no, that's not why I'm laughing. I'm laughing. There's only so many options here. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's there's a bit on
Impressive Performances and Game Planning
00:01:35
Speaker
offense. Defense is going to be lacking for sure. But, you know, like the obvious one here is Malik Willis and his continued success. I mean, he's had...
00:01:48
Speaker
You can tell he was he was hurting. And you know for him to be able to pull through with a lot of the stuff he did, you can see the arm talents there. You can see the run ability is there.
00:02:01
Speaker
yeah And this goes back to what we talked about last week. It's kind of weird that LeFleur can game plan for Malik, but he can't game plan for Jordan.
00:02:12
Speaker
And for the most part, this was a tremendous game plan by Malik. You knew they were going to try to stop the run as best they could, and the Ravens did stop the run wonderfully, so they had to rely on Malik and his arm and leg talent.
00:02:30
Speaker
And he was dropping some dimes. I mean, some of those passes were just amazing, putting them where... his Only his receiver could get him. Really didn't overthrow anything, really didn't underthrow anything. They were like perfect on-target passes. I know some people were throwing out there just to, oh you know, just to be that person to say, well, when are we going to have the quarterback controversy? And, you know, the only thing that I've got to say is I'm happy for Malik.
Playoff Preparations and Player Health
00:03:06
Speaker
I'm glad he's showing off what his abilities are, but I don't want to see him go. and because i just know that it's very rare to find a guy to be your backup that can also start on 31 other teams.
00:03:24
Speaker
And it just, it makes me worried for what the backup situation is going to be after this, after the end of this season.
00:03:36
Speaker
Honestly, we may find out as soon as this coming week because the Packers are the seventh seed. There's no mystery there. They can't do anything about their playoff seeding.
00:03:47
Speaker
And they basically said that they are going go to be very judicious about resting guys. And if you don't have the starting O line out there, it's kind one of those like like, why would you even put Jordan out there even if he's healthy kind of things.
00:04:03
Speaker
I've been thinking about that, and with him already being off a couple of weeks because of injury, I would at least want him to get out there to get some, you know, even if it's just a drive to just get some reps. That way he's not going into the playoffs completely cold.
00:04:21
Speaker
Yeah, true to like a preseason game kind of thing and stuff. But yeah, you don't want him, especially against a Flores defense that's just going to be doing whatever and wherever kind of thing.
00:04:31
Speaker
You probably don't want him behind a makeshift O-line, especially if Tom is sat next week. But Tom also kind of falls in that same boat where he hasn't played in a month kind of thing. So it's like, do you want him to get some live reps if he's cleared medically and stuff? So...
00:04:48
Speaker
it It just complicates things because it's like when you go into this situation where you want to treat it like a preseason game, you don't have a preseason roster. So if you pull like a dozen guys in-game, then it's like you only got only got players to work with and stuff. And then it gets really dicey if you get any more injuries, which which I'm sure we'll talk about as this episode goes. But but yeah yeah, I'm really curious to see how they handle it.
00:05:17
Speaker
And to kind of go hand in hand with you putting Malik up there, you know, you got to give credit to the receivers are making plays for him. I know that he was on target more often than not. not And a credit to him given that that he missed practices during the week because the shoulder was so bulky. But, but you know, Christian had a nice touchdown. Romeo had a couple of nice plays.
00:05:38
Speaker
And you... This game was always going to be ugly because of the fact that you don't have your starting quarterback. You've got a bunch of key contributors, to this whether they're on IR or just just missing multiple games with injury.
00:05:52
Speaker
And for guys to step in in and step up up, it's really good to see that at this point in the season. and And frankly, at this point point, if the last two weeks haven't convinced you... For this team to have any sort of success in the postseason, it's going to be Jordan getting healthy and this offense carrying three-fourths of the weight along the way. the way And that's how it's going to have to be. be Yeah. And, you know, just to stick with both of that, I was just looking at it.
00:06:22
Speaker
Malik was 18 or 21. So that means there were only three misses and i think a couple, there were a couple of drops. I know one for sure was a bow melt and that should have been caught, but I don't know.
00:06:45
Speaker
So they're they're just – he was on point. And, again, I go back to it. I know I'm going to sound like a broken record. it just It's really odd that LeFleur can game plan Malik into being 18-21 for yards.
00:07:06
Speaker
but he struggles with Jordan now. So does that mean Jordan's having an issue or does that mean the floor is having an issue with scheming for Jordan?
00:07:17
Speaker
And yeah, I don't know.
00:07:21
Speaker
Yep. yep Anything else you had for this segment? oh You know, you already mentioned the wide receivers. uh, You know, I am going to throw, because there are just very few on defensive side, I'm going to throw Lucas in there because I thought he was like one of the lone bright spots on the defense because he was getting consistent pressure.
00:07:48
Speaker
and you know, he seemed to really be wrecking that offensive line for his as much as he could. Let's see. I was going to look at it real quick here.
00:08:00
Speaker
You know, he did have one QB hit. He came close to sack a couple of different times. So, you know, he had some pressures in there. So, yeah, i got I got to throw him in there just because theres there's not a lot on this defensive side that – that you can say was was very fresh. When you give up 130 rushing yards in the first half, there's not much nice things to be said. nice things to be said
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah, and that was a big worry coming into the game. I'm trying to think if there was anything else. I guess a snarky positive is chats it are the increased chances that Halfley is back next season. Yeah, because this is only the second 40-pointer he's given up this season.
00:09:01
Speaker
Yep. Dallas and then this one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But...
Team Struggles and Future Prospects
00:09:09
Speaker
yeah I don't know. I still think... We're hoping.
00:09:15
Speaker
Playing possum. Yeah. Other than that, i I really don't see any... I'm just trying to scroll through here real quick.
00:09:27
Speaker
No, I don't really... i mean There was not much for this game. I was i was tuning out of it real quick. So, we can jump in the stale. Yep.
00:09:42
Speaker
What's this stale shit?
00:09:44
Speaker
What's this stale shit? Yeah, see, for some reason it's delayed on my side, son of a bitch. Stale-wise...
00:09:54
Speaker
Uh...
00:09:55
Speaker
I'm going to throw the linebackers in there because they they weren't bad enough to be moldy, but they also weren't good enough to be anywhere close to fresh. So I guess stale-wise, for being – i I think I got to put heavy emphasis on Isaiah McDuffie this time around.
00:10:20
Speaker
it It wasn't so much Quay and Edge because they had so much stuff that they had to go through, but you could honestly see in this game that Isaiah is very limited athletically.
00:10:34
Speaker
And you know like there was one play that sticks in my mind where he came off as the free edge rusher. And you know for as much shit as people give Rashawn for looking like he's running through sand, you know Isaiah just plotted his way through. so i And this isn't anything really against him because he's he's a football player. He's a blue collar player.
00:11:04
Speaker
He just, you can tell he didn't have the athletic ability to do what we needed. Yeah, like you said, we don't want to speak ill of the dead or anything like that with Isaiah. It's more just, you'd really hope you're at a point where Hopper is taking more snaps or hell even Welch at this point is taking more snaps. Well, Welch is out on IR, so he's not going to be. Oh yeah, that's right, sorry.
00:11:28
Speaker
that's right That's right. They've got so many guys, and I know that... lefleur just said that uh jordan riley and uh kamal hadden are going on ir basically at this well if you didn't see it hadn't they wouldn't even show the replay of the injury for hadn't because they said yeah and that's a sort bummer that's an absolute bummer for hadden because so yeah there's no doubt about that and it had to be a It had to been a broken leg of some sort because what you could see when they had him on the cart was they had him in one of them air casts.
00:11:58
Speaker
So, yeah, and I haven't looked back. I don't want to see the replay on it because I – yeah, but yeah it can't be good for him. yeah yeah just just absolutely gut-wrenching. You just hate to see it when guys get to this point in the season and you're just left with that kind of a reaction. so Yeah, like like that probably goes more into the moldy, but it's just so unfortunate that the Packers season, it started off so well from an injury standpoint and that it's just progressively –
00:12:31
Speaker
eroded and it deteriorated in that. sense You know, deteriorated is probably too nice of a word, but it hasnt his the rug has really been yanked out under this team. I wonder if that has a little bit to do with the early bye week because, you know, it really they've been, played well, the bye week was week five, so we've played... a almost 12 weeks straight without a break, a real break in between. i mean, you have your, you know, quote unquote, many buys, but you know, that's a long time to be playing without any kind of yeah break in between.
00:13:09
Speaker
And you think about who they've played too. They've played a lot of teams with athletic quarterbacks and stuff like that. a lot of There's been a lot of like running around for the defense.
00:13:20
Speaker
And yeah, it is just a bummer to see that we're at this point where they were you know two games and one and a half quarters ago, they were playing for the potential to be in striking distance of the number one seed in the NFC. And now it's like, like I don't want to say say you don't want to get there, but it's like, like what is their realistic check? You know, it's not as not as, they're not as bad as going into Philadelphia last year kind of thing, but but just the sour taste in your mouth because of all the injuries, it's right like,
00:13:52
Speaker
like, you know, off to the slaughterhouse kind of thing and stuff. but However, the prophecy is still there because, you know, we limped into the playoffs in 2010. So, you know. Yeah, the quarterback got concussed and mixed the next game. The only thing that's off is he won't play two games before. It's just one game. But, yeah, it is iss just so shitty that it's playing out this way where it's like, fuck. like can we Can we get some just normal season kind of thing? But if we end up with the championship at the end, you know we're not going to complain about it too much. We're going to look back at this season fondly. Yep.
00:14:31
Speaker
Stale-wise, I don't know how much of it you so you actually watch. So is there anything you can think of stale-wise that you'd want to throw out there? And I guess a stale one will just be people getting on the floor at this point. And I'm kind of like, like Yeah, you know, we've had our issues. we've had you know You and I have had like our complaints and stuff, but there's just been so many guys out and injured that it's like, I don't know what he's supposed to do at this point anymore. I know that like a lot of people will kind of get irritated with that too, but I'm like like, there's just so many deck chairs that have fallen off the side of the Titanic at this point that it's like, like like he kind of then everyone's palms up at this point and... then
00:15:14
Speaker
he's The only thing that I can yeah keep bragging on him about is, like I like i said, beating the dead horse. you know it it He can scheme Malik into some amazing stuff, but he can't with Jordan for some reason.
00:15:28
Speaker
Yeah, and even in that Bears game before he got concussed, they were marching up and down the field with Jordan. you know It was only two drives, but they went right through Chicago's defense on both drives.
00:15:39
Speaker
and and yeah it's just one of those like – just you shake your head kind of moments. Yeah. yeah But stale wise, going to throw the offensive line in there stale wise because they were getting, i mean, it wasn't horrible because they did have a mobile quarterback behind them, but
00:16:03
Speaker
they didn't do anything for that run game outside of Malik making stuff happen with his feet. So, I really got to put a stale in there. you know And I think the only reason I keep it stale is because I don't know how much Jacobs is still banged up.
00:16:22
Speaker
Right. And especially, and I agree with you, like it is disheartening after it seemed like they were turning some corners against like the Vikings game, the Lions game, and then you know the first Bears game, and even through that Broncos game with the long Jacobs touchdown.
00:16:39
Speaker
And then and they just haven't done anything worthwhile on the ground since. And it's just like, like like you said, is it is just just irritating to see that it it's amounted to do nothing at this point of the season. And granted, you know, they have been dealing with their own injuries on that point. But still, you would think that with the type of talent they have at running back, that they would still at least be able to open a couple of holes for, for these guys to be able to run through. So stale wise, I think that's about it.
00:17:15
Speaker
just off the top of my head,
00:17:18
Speaker
maybe throw in, no, no, I think that all can go moldy. Uh, yeah, we, we can jump.
00:17:28
Speaker
It's a moldy cheese.
00:17:32
Speaker
Damn delays. Obviously, it's got to be the defense, doesn't it? You know, when you're giving up 216 yards and four touchdowns, now obviously it is Derrick Henry, and we all knew it was Derrick Henry coming into the game.
00:17:53
Speaker
But yeah, over 200 yards and four touchdowns, and there just was really no stopping him. On top of that, they gave up 60 to Huntley and another 31 to Keaton Mitchell. So they gave up over 300 frigging rushing yards in this game alone.
00:18:13
Speaker
And i we all knew what was going to happen. We knew what they were going to be leaning on, and they still couldn't stop it and i I'm going to throw this in there with it oh the decisions on actives, inactives. They they left Stackhouse, Oliver, and Sorrel on the inactive list.
00:18:42
Speaker
Oliver, I kind of understand just because you know he hasn't seen much. But Sorrel and Stackhouse, with knowing you're going up against... Derrick Henry, don't you want as much beef as you can on that frigging front seven and be able to rotate them in and out?
00:19:01
Speaker
I don't know who I would have set down opposite, but good Lord, especially after Riley goes out with an injury, now you're riding with just Brinson, Brooks, Wooden,
00:19:22
Speaker
and Bohannon and i know Stackhouse hasn't been great for most of the season but he's still a big beefy guy that he should be at least able to plug up a little bit of the running lanes so yeah that that was really disheartening to see them get just completely obliterated Yeah, and like the frustrating thing thing too it too is they've kind of those decisions all season, you know, in terms of like going light up front when they could load up and stuff against some other teams and all. Uh-oh.
00:20:05
Speaker
And yeah, you're just down so many of your like top guys in the front seven. And then you're like, okay, we're going to still roll light in the box. But it's like at some point you have to make a decision where it's like, yeah and you have to recognize like, yeah, you're down, you're
Defensive Strategy and Player Roles
00:20:21
Speaker
talented guys. So you have to almost win your war you you have to win your battles with numbers kind of thing. And just throw numbers at it to be the quote unquote solution. well Start over because you completely disappeared on us.
00:20:37
Speaker
Okay, so you made the point about, you know, the the decisions to activate, deactivate certain D-alignment. And, you know, they they they've made those decisions, those choices all season. But at some point, you have to reconcile the fact that you're down Michael Parsons, you're down Devontae Wyatt. I know we kind of said, like, you know, he's not great against the run, but but that's one of your playmakers along defensive line And when you're using the quality at the top, you know, the cream and the the cream on your roster at the top of the position group, you have to like reconcile.
00:21:13
Speaker
You don't have the talent upside. so it's are you going to do it with with exotic blitzes? Or are you going to just throw numbers at the problem to try and provide a solution in that way?
00:21:26
Speaker
And you kind of did neither, and you got the outcome that... you should have expected you would get when you go that route. So like you said, Joe, it's frustrating that that, you know, you didn't choose either path and you chose to go down the middle and you got that smacked out of the, forget the yard you got it smacked out of the stadium for all of us.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah. Like it is the whole, you know, it's the, the the guy in the hot dog costume.
00:22:00
Speaker
who's responsible We all know who did it, but you who could it be? out of and yeah yeah like like you You just keep leaving yourself open to these kind of opportunities. and you kind of I know you were talking about other things. zi You were talking about what we expected Baltimore to do.
00:22:19
Speaker
But like it also sort of was a microcosm of it's like... like You just just dare teams to run on you, and you didn't you do enough to stop them from doing it, yet especially against, like you guys, you brought up a team that that wants to run the ball and would rather not have Huntley throw it very much. much And then on top of it, you still give up passes in the passing game. So it's like, like what did you really accomplish? with and Well, the thing about the passing game though, you know, they only gave up 107 passing yards. So I can't fault them for that, but it was one of those things that, you know, Baltimore knew that they were going to be able to just continue to run it. So why even bother trying to throw it out there?
00:23:03
Speaker
And yeah yeah, I don't, you know, I, like I said, I get not activating Oliver. i I kind of question Sorrell one because Sorrell is disruptive, that's for sure, but he's also got a little bit of beef to him.
00:23:24
Speaker
But Stackhouse, yeah, I get that he's not been playing well, but just his size alone should have been a factor in keeping him on the active list.
00:23:38
Speaker
and this is where i i say the linebackers are in the stale for the most part because they even struggled with it we know what derrick henry is going to do he's going to run right up the gut and take out as many people as he could and you know our guys for his athletic and as vicious as they can be still couldn't do anything about it and you know this is another thing with the defensive backs You know, we know Evan likes to be physical. We know, you know, McKinney can be physical. We know Javon can be physical, but they didn't show it. I mean, Evan had that one against Derrick Henry later in the game, but outside of that, they like avoided contact at all costs.
00:24:30
Speaker
And yeah, there was a lot of like the battle is over, like just making business decisions kind of thing. And we know the corners aren't going to tackle. As much as I like Carrington, and I think Carrington can be a very good cover guy, he can't tackle.
00:24:49
Speaker
there There is no tackle to him. You know, the last few weeks you're seeing the reason why they were willing to just live and die with whatever Hobbs is going to give them in coverage because he's a million times better as a tackling corner than that Carrington ever will be. And, yeah you know, you're... For anyone questioning why did they stick it out so long with Hobbs, that's why. why Because they're like like, he might give stuff up, but our run defense is going be solid and our and our short short passing game defense coverage is going to be you know short up and stuff. so So that's where you live with it. with it you know you know
00:25:27
Speaker
And that's why they were willing to just accept whatever Hobbs was able to give them in coverage. But, but yeah. yeah Anything that could bite them in the ass on defense, bit them in the ass.
00:25:39
Speaker
And I'm going to throw this in here because – I want to throw this question out there. Does this mean that they're already giving up on Hobbs and his contract when they make him the the number one kick returner for this game?
00:25:59
Speaker
I don't know. I don't even know how to or where to approach that. i mean, if you're thinking this guy is going to be your One of your key defensive backs going forward because you gave him, what was it, a four-year contract, big money contract, and we're at, what, week 17, and now he's your number one kick returner.
00:26:27
Speaker
just be does that mean you know what's that mean does that mean you've given up on him and his contract or does that mean that your special team just so bad that you're trying to throw anybody and everybody back there just to try to get anything going yeah and i mean it just that just throw your hands up why is bisaccia still here at this point and I have no answer for that. you know You see me just leaning back into the couch and shaking my head.
00:26:57
Speaker
i and just All we can do is laugh at this point. i Yeah, I don't know. But if those are the decisions that are being made, then yeah, Bisaccia needs to be gone at the end of the season.
00:27:12
Speaker
i don't... yeah He doesn't have to be gone right now because there's only one week left in the regular season and then, you know, the playoffs are just a crapshoot. If, you know, they could go on a run, they could not go on a run, excuse me, whatever. But, yeah, I just, I i kind of raised an eyebrow with that because, like, I don't understand what's going on here because as far as I know,
00:27:45
Speaker
Hobbs isn't really that athletically gifted. I don't think he's the speediest guy in the world, and I don't think he's ever actually taken snaps as a returner.
00:27:59
Speaker
So just to throw him... That's the part he's been a coverage player and stuff like that, but I don't think he's ever been the return guy. Yeah, I don't know if he's ever been, even going back to college, if he's ever been a yeah return guy so just to have him back there was really really weird i know savi on was out so it just yeah whatever but was gonna look here real quick kicking punt returns
00:28:33
Speaker
he's had in a five-year career he's had two punt returns
00:28:39
Speaker
No, in a five-year career, he's only had two kick returns, and that was this year.
00:28:45
Speaker
So, yeah. If that tells you anything.
00:28:51
Speaker
And I don't know about his college stuff, so I couldn't tell you about that. I'd have to go back and do a deep dive on it. But...
00:28:59
Speaker
What else can I throw out there so for the moldy?
00:29:04
Speaker
The one I'll just throw out there is i kind of brought it up in the intro.
Playoff Prospects and Team Morale
00:29:07
Speaker
It just sucks to be going into the playoffs two years in a row where like, like you know, there is the whole be grateful you're going instead of not going. But also at the same time, it's like, like what are we hoping to accomplish at this point?
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, it just sucks to have that that dark cloud hanging over your team's head going into the playoff yeah two years in a row. And not in a like, oh, your team's not talented. Like, this team is still talented, but... but The Kraft injury, the Parsons injury, the Wyatt one to a lesser extent, the fact that that Tom hasn't been healthy in a one month, Jacobs has been dealing with injur injuries all season, and you're kind of just like... like
00:29:54
Speaker
forget forget Forget this playoff game. Who's even back next year kind of thing. And not even like a salary cap cap situation. I mean, I know that the salary cap drives all of those questions. questions But at the same time, it's like like, who's playing their last game as a Packer?
00:30:10
Speaker
And that's been... into that top leader Well, yeah, and that's been my thing here because, yes, Christian stepped up since coming back from injury.
00:30:23
Speaker
but now Romeo is starting to heat up again with with both Malik and and Jordan. So can you, have and they still have not gotten Matthew golden integrated into the offense at all.
00:30:40
Speaker
And now wicks is down with a concussion. of Jaden Reed kind of cooled off since coming back, but still is is making some plays.
00:30:56
Speaker
For such a strong group that they came into the season with, now I have huge-ass frigging questions going into next season.
00:31:08
Speaker
And not so much talent-wise,
00:31:14
Speaker
But contract wise, because Romeo's done at the end of the year, unless they re-sign him for something. Watson's got a one year extension.
00:31:28
Speaker
And for all the people saying, well, they need to go ahead and sign them for longer. Well, they can't until when did they sign them? Yeah, it's a year. the day Yeah, the date is. Yeah.
00:31:41
Speaker
Reed will be going into the final year of his contract. Wicks will be going into, right? Yep. This is, yeah. Yep. So then after that, the only two guys that you have under contract for another couple of years is Savion and Golden.
00:32:00
Speaker
Golden. golden Bo, I think, is gone. i don't know how they can keep Justin because, you know, is he a corner? Is he wide receiver? i And some of the mental mistakes that he's been making, even though he does come up with a big catch here or there, just some of his mental mistakes, like the one drop that he had in this game hit him right on the shoulder, and it's like – And he kind of cost them the Eagles game. I know there were a lot of mistakes, but he had several moments in that game where ran the wrong route, dropped a couple passes kind of thing. And it's like... I don't think he's ever going to be the guy that... He's always going to be that...
00:32:48
Speaker
oh Better in theory than in reality kind of player. Well, not just that, but he's going to be the guy, kind of like we talked about Heath for a while, he's going to be the guy that comes up with one or two plays here or there, but it's not going to make or break your team.
00:33:04
Speaker
Yeah. yeah And so, yeah, i don't
00:33:12
Speaker
I don't know. Like I said, for such a strength that was coming into the year, now it's going to end up being a weakness because it's like, what are What are we going to do? i don't see them going out and signing a free agent unless it's like a no, like a one year vet minimum type thing.
00:33:31
Speaker
Are they going to give Romeo a bag of money? you know They're done. I think they're done there. it It's going to drive people crazy, but one of their D2 picks is going be on a wide receiver. I'd be willing to bet decent money on it. like like Anyone who's saying, like oh, but they have i'm like like they're going to lose half the room. Like you said, half the room is up for free agency after next season. Yeah.
00:33:56
Speaker
And then it I do think Watson would be the one. But at the same time, it's like like he's been healthy since he's come back from the ACL.
00:34:08
Speaker
But at the same time, you're going to bet a three to four year contract him $25 million year eight games kind of thing. Like that's... three to four year contract chain any twenty five million dollars a year on eight games kind of thing like that thats That's why why Goot and Ball are paid the big bucks they are. But yeah yeah, that's why I would use every one of those 365 days he's eligible for that extension to pay him that extension. like like Just get all the data you can kind of thing.
00:34:38
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And I go back to it, and I know i'm i'm going to people are going to say I'm biased because I have been on the pick since before the draft. But This is where it boggles my mind that they're not integrating Golden more into yeah offense than they have. Yeah, he's been okay.
00:35:01
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Wise integration. I mean, they have given him – I think they – I saw somebody said that he's had more receiving yards than Randall Cobb did his rookie year.
00:35:13
Speaker
But there's a big difference between the two guys. Randall Cobb was a second-round pick. matthew Matthew Golden was the first wide receiver taken in the first round since 2022.
00:35:25
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oh
00:35:27
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i was trying to find him so I could pull up
00:35:31
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oh what he's actually got stat-wise. Well, we know he doesn't have a touchdown, that's for sure. Yeah.
00:35:42
Speaker
let's see he's got 353 yards he's got like 100 more than cobb did as a rookie and and the thing is is when they go to him he's legit you know he's the big thing and i didn't even pay attention to it until somebody else called it out on like twitter or something But he's got the hands that you want for a receiver where you know how they always tell you that you can tell a good receiver by how he preps to catch the ball. And does he go out straight away and keep his hands out there for the ball? Or does he have those quick hands that he waits until the last second to put his hands out to catch the ball?
00:36:31
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And that's what Golden does. He's got that quick motion that The DB doesn't know the ball's coming to him until the ball's already in his hands. And i just, I'm so confused by the use of him.
00:36:46
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i go back to, I wonder if it's the, the floor's not sure how to handle using a guy like him. And, you know, I get that they're slow rolling and they they usually always slow roll their rookies, but Again, I go back to with all the uncertainty in the wide receiver room going forward, you would think you would want to expedite his growth a little bit more.
00:37:13
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Yeah, I still think that it's more that they just don't trust him quite much. But it is into that whole, like, you better start trusting him because, like you said, they they've run – they've either – the guys they're using are out in terms of how good they can be or the other guys are injured or banged up and stuff. And it's kind of like – you've sort of hit your ceiling with where this office is going to be with the guys guys that are playing. And, and you know you know, I do think Golden will be more effective next year when he has a full offseason to Stunbook, all that kind of stuff. But but I do think a big part of it is LaFleur is just kind of like this kid' kid a chunk of the time still doesn't know where he's supposed to be and yeah stuff.
00:37:58
Speaker
And, you know, those are the kind of things that we'll never know without being behind closed doors.
00:38:04
Speaker
And at the same time, I i do agree with you that it would have been nice i to just see him use more. for it's it's It's the ultimate chicken and egg thing. I don't have the answers for it. or it Well, the one thing I'm going to disagree with you on right now is I get not trusting him earlier in the season just because he's a rookie and all that.
00:38:25
Speaker
but We're one week away from the end of the season, and you still don't trust him enough to get him more involved into the – into the offense even just to give them a couple more maybe deep routes or or a couple of slants or whatever per game you're only going throw them out there for like five snaps a game or whatever it is i that's where it kind of boggles my mind with that stuff yeah and
00:38:57
Speaker
I don't know. I know people are going to point to the Savion thing and stuff, but I'm like like, what is Savion doing that's actually complicated? They're literally telling him, you're in here, to you're gonna you're definitely getting the ball, and you're going to run that way kind of thing. so They're just doing with him what he did in college right now.
00:39:15
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Yeah. yeah and And Golden had the steeper learning curve and stuff. I just, honestly, i that my attitude toward it is is not indifference, but I'm just not getting stressed about it because I've just accepted that they were never going to put him on the front burner. And that therefore, if he comes out and just has a playoff run that that bolts them to the Superbowl, then fuck it. They played, they slow played it properly relief kind of thing. But also at the same time, it's like like, you know, right or wrong. This is how they've always approached it with rookies.
00:39:57
Speaker
I wish they would have pushed the button a little sooner, but also he got hurt in the middle of the season when they really could have used him. You know, he was out with the wrist in the middle of, life like, them adjusting to the Kraft injury and stuff like that. like that i I would be a little bit hotter on it if he had been fully healthy through the season because I would definitely agree with you then. It's like... it' like There's no excuse to not to play him, but it's like, he was digged up when they really had a shortage of receivers. And that's when you kind of push the panic button on bringing Jaden Reed back and stuff. And it's like like, it would have been nice to have the rookie, but he also wasn't on the field
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00:40:32
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either. So, so like I said, that's where I kind of just shrug my shoulders and say, like, like i' I'll be more upset if he's still being underutilized next season kind of thing. think
00:40:45
Speaker
yeah well i mean if they're definitely under use lily use utilizing him next season then we know there's an issue because again unless they're going to give romeo a bag of money or slap the tag on him or whatever you know he's gone so there's gonna be a big hole that needs to be filled and yeah but I don't know. there's There's not much more else I can talk about this other than for some reason when the Packers don't punt, they lose, which is really weird.
00:41:25
Speaker
Because what is it? They're like 0-8 this season on games that if they don't punt at all, they lose the game. They can't be 0-8, but yeah, they're like... like they' I think it's like 0 for 4 or something like that.
00:41:41
Speaker
I think this season they're like 0 in 3 or 4 or something like that. Which, yeah, it's just a weird stat when you think about it. it Well, yeah, because when you don't punt, you would think that you're having so much success that you're not having to use your punter. But for the Packers, it seems to be the opposite. So I think maybe for them to win games, they need to at least just send Whelan out there for some random punt just so they don't get that negative juju or whatever it is on them.
00:42:13
Speaker
oh Anything else you really think needs to be called out for this one? I just feel like... There's no real, quote unquote, constructive things to call out here because they're very clearly like they weren't going to throw the kitchen sink at an uncommon opponent. i get that they would have still been in the running for the NFC North, but you don't have your starting quarterback. You're missing your starting right tackle.
00:42:38
Speaker
You've got the guys that are on IR, but I'm kind of just like, like yeah, I wish they did better, but at the same time, I'm not surprised it It was a loss. It was worse than I thought it would be But at the same time, I'm kind of like, like they weren't going to show anything. they and And they're just like, like you the hope is that they're just are just keeping all their trump cards for the playoffs or whatever that playoff run is going to look like. like I can't think of anything. I can't even throw the refs in there because I thought the refs were fairly...
00:43:15
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The Packers are too shitty on defense for it to matter. Well, even on offense, there really wasn't a lot of penalties called, period.
00:43:25
Speaker
And there was really no... time that I could say, oh, yeah, well, that should have been a penaltyll penalty penalty. That should have been a penalty. You know, six penalties for 45 against Baltimore and five penalties for 38 against Green Bay.
00:43:41
Speaker
So, yeah, i I got to say that this was a decent reffing job for for a Packers game this season.
00:43:52
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i I would like to think this is how a ref crew should be in the NFL.
00:43:59
Speaker
Other than that, i yeah, i don't I don't think there's any more that I can throw out there. no need to beat the dead horse. The horses the horse is at the glue factory already at this point for this game. so The only thing I got to say is i just I understand if they want to arrest some guys this next week against Minnesota.
00:44:18
Speaker
but you can't go into the playoffs cold. You've got to throw some guys out there. You've got to score some points. you know You know, honestly, this would be the week that like, like you sit uh watson and reed and it's like jordan go get some live snaps with golden like it's like this would be the perfect scenario you know the the the vikings have a good front seven flores does a lot of his exotic stuff with his front
00:44:48
Speaker
Their corners aren't anything special, so it's like like like if you can get the timing down with Golden against the exotic defense, it's like that would be good to get kind of going into the playoffs. and That would be the way I approach it. Get some throws to Musgrave. Get it acclimated with whichever one of Dabney or the made-up you know the madeup you named Tennessee volunteer title. Yeah, it was Dabney yesterday. they They brought up Dabney yesterday. And I think that is, like you pointed out, he's the better blocker between him and McMullet, McDermott, whatever the guys need. McCastle.
00:45:25
Speaker
Yes, thank you. See, I knew it was Mcsomething. But, I mean, I would even go for the win next week. that way I think so. and i You know what? I agree with you that you need – like I said, you don't want a sad trombone it into the playoffs two years in a row. I get that you're not playing for anything, but, like, obviously don't risk injury.
00:45:49
Speaker
Shouldn't go in where you just laid laid duds for three weeks in a row. too Like, that just – that that That kind of thing doesn't go well into the playoffs. You look at the 2010 Packers, they went in hot.
00:46:02
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Even the Giants... The year after, it was their whole thing is they tried to beat the Patriots to keep them from going perfect kind of thing. And then the Ravens were hot going into the playoffs. Obviously, the Seahawks just dominated 2013.
00:46:18
Speaker
like but You just don't see teams who just go in looking like crap. i think the I think the Peyton Colts season might be the only one where it was like, like oh, who they're kind of listless going in. And then they go and rattle off wins and win the Super Bowl.
00:46:34
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And yeah, I agree with you you that you need Jordan to play a little bit. He's missed two games. You got to get him out there there and just get him back into the game flow. flow So yeah yeah, I'll be really curious to see how they play it.
00:46:51
Speaker
But yeah, I with you. I think they do need to get some live fire reps on him. I do also have a question for you with, there's a couple of teams that signed tight ends to their active roster off of practice squad. Do you think they did that because the Packers had tried to like Mercedes was signed to the Broncos active roster?
00:47:13
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Was it the Patriots or the Panthers signed one to their active roster? the I could see it, yes, because obviously Mercedes has ties. I know it's been a few years since he played, but he got most of the playbook down, I'm assuming. The Panthers one, I didn't see who it was, but if it was the Panthers, I know that...
00:47:31
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They had one of our former tight ends on their practice squad, so I wouldn't be surprised there. I could definitely see it because Green Bay is effectively down to one tight end at this point because we still don't know what's up with Wiley. No, he played yesterday. Oh, he did play? Okay. Yeah, he played. He had... Again, by the time this game was playing, was going on the Transformers ride with Jalen again. So, like I said, you can see where my priorities were. Yeah, he had a catch for eight yards. Yeah.
00:47:57
Speaker
So, yeah, Wiley played yesterday, but yeah, without Fitzpatrick, they're really limited on who they have on roster. But I just, there was like two or three different teams that signed tight ends to their active roster, and it just made me think, were the did they sign them to the active roster because the Packers were trying to pick them up?
00:48:19
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Because, you know, you can hear about that stuff happening. I definitely with Big Dog. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:25
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I'll have to look to see who the names were. But like I said, I know, oh
00:48:32
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i know. Mercedes was and I can't think it was the Panthers. I want to say it was a P team, so it either had to be the Patriots or the Panthers. But yeah. All right. Yeah, that's all I got.
00:48:48
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00:49:03
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Please plug the shop. I don't want to fudge it up.
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00:49:07
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00:49:19
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00:49:32
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00:49:43
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00:49:56
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00:51:01
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00:51:31
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00:52:12
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00:52:39
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