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Well… That Happened: Packers Fall to the Bears
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There’s no easy way to spin this one.
The Packers lose to the Bears, and we’re breaking down an ugly rivalry game filled with missed chances and frustrating moments. We talk through what went wrong, what (if anything) went right, and where the team goes from here after a loss that stings a little more than most.
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Transcript
Intro
Packers' NFC North Struggles
00:00:56
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to the Ahana Packers Edition podcast where Joe and I are going to review how much that sucked. The Packers with first place in the NFC North in their grasps, let go of the ropes, poop on it and roll in it and just...
00:01:17
Speaker
I don't want to – they didn't shit away the whole season, but, man, did they just make it – they just haven't done themselves any favors the last closing stretches of these past two games. But, Joe,
00:01:29
Speaker
this is why we don't let the Packers determine how we're doing overall in life because you do that and they shit on your cornflakes ahead of Christmas. Yeah. I mean, I was talking to somebody the other day about it, and you know, it Give me about half hour, hour, and I'm good after that. and i don't let it determine because outside of being a fan, I'm not overly invested in it. you know It's not like I'm out there playing, and if I don't win, then you know then it's going to ruin the rest of
Post-Game Reflection: Processing the Loss
00:02:03
Speaker
my week or whatever. I mean, I still – I'm not happy about it, but I'm not going to let –
00:02:09
Speaker
determined, I'm an asshole anyway. Do you think it's going to hurt me anymore to to to have them lose? but Yeah, it is one of those where honestly, the at this point, I feel like same as you, it it takes a little bit of time after the game where you like reconcile it mentally. But honestly, the roughest part is just like, like we have to record and talk about this afterward. But other I think the reason that both of us have this attitude, I won't totally speak for both of us, but at least for me, and because Joe and i we do you know we do approach a lot of the game from the same direction. To have the game slip away the way it did because of things we were concerned about this whole season, poo spsaco
00:02:55
Speaker
it just, it really does just, it does just twist the knife so much deeper. yeah. This one is going to be a, honestly, it's probably going to be heavily moldy weighted episode just because there are a few low hanging fruits on the, you know, that are, you know, we're good to see. But for the most part, it was just a lot of, like I said, things that we had brought up as potential harbingers or potential pitfalls for the Packers. And unfortunately for them,
00:03:27
Speaker
all of them hit you know that i i don't i try not to liken things to previous games and stuff but that really is where this is a lot like the 2014 championship game is that there were subtle moments earlier in the game that cost the packers but then at the end you know everyone is gonna you know
00:03:47
Speaker
To their own merit, they're going to take it, IZE in particular. But really, a lot of the damage was done in even in the first half of this game. But we'll get into that as we get into our topics.
00:03:57
Speaker
Joe, hit the first button.
Jordan Love & Malik Willis: Quarterbacks in Focus
00:04:00
Speaker
Mmm, cheese. So I think the low-hanging fruit here is... What's really unfortunate about this game is the Packers got good quarterback play, and the final outcome is not going to reflect that at all.
00:04:18
Speaker
But Jordan was having a solid game. I know that he probably wishes he had that fourth down throw on the first drive back, but he really did put that throw in the only spot it could be to Watson, because anything short of that, you're risking a potential interception and because of where that throw is going a potential pick six you know like a hundred whatever yard pick six kind of thing I haven't seen the all 22 so I don't know where everyone else was on the field but that's the danger when you throw that deep out is it's like if that corner can undercut it clean he's off to the races and it's like your fastest guy is the guy you were throwing to the ball to and he's kind of falling down and out of bounds but I thought Jordan was playing a good game until he took
00:05:00
Speaker
We'll get into that hit later on. was a Bush League hit from Austin Booker. And then the real shame of it is that until he had those back-to-back bad final plays in overtime, I thought Malik was playing a really good game. The only real nitpicks I had of him was, like I said, those final two plays where... he I get it. He's like injured at that point, but he's got to cut inside of Edwards on that third down play in overtime because he's got the first. Honestly, he might have been running for a few more yards. And then the fourth down play is just really unfortunate because you you just never give your stance on that play. You just muff the snap from the word go.
00:05:38
Speaker
But before that, I think like the only play I had an issue with was the the third down on his first scoring drive where I wish he took off up the middle instead of trying to fit the ball into Watson in the middle of the end zone. Because if you look at it right before he goes to throw, Edwards turns to run with Watson and there's nobody there in the middle of the field.
00:05:59
Speaker
and it's like he i i think he gets there because there's a lane for him but even if he does it i think lafleur is gonna roll the dice and go for it on fourth down because it's like you know he does it because it's fourth and like six or something like that and you just you just it's really hard to go for it with your not starting quarterback in in a condensed area of the field But whereas if he ran and he gets it to like fourth and one or even fourth and two, I think LeFleur is going to go for it because he's got a lot of options, whether it's like a QB lead or something like that.
00:06:31
Speaker
But outside of those three plays, you know, unlike last year's Chicago game where he came in, you just couldn't ask more of Willis being put into that position where Jordan gets concussed and he has to come in and leads.
00:06:46
Speaker
three scoring drives, one that we're going to one missed opportunity that's not his fault that we'll talk about later on in the podcast. But like I said, outside of a handful of plays, you can't ask for anything more from your backup quarterback. Even with those three plays, it's like he gave he put you up 10 with five minutes left.
00:07:06
Speaker
And for all intents and purposes had the game won for you. And so, yeah, quarterback play, like everyone's going to like, oh my God, what? But like your quarterback play got you in position to win this game comfortably. Yeah, I don't think anybody can can deny that. If they are, then they don't know what the hell they're talking about. And, you know, Jordan, I think Jordan was a little off before he went out, but he was still good enough. But Malik...
00:07:36
Speaker
and this can be a stale that i'm going to throw into your your fresh matla floors game calling because it seems like he can call the perfect game for malik willis but then when it comes to his actual starting quarterback it's like blah and Yeah, it's it's that is something that I was sitting on for the whole game, but yeah, i totally agree with you that it's wild how like Malik can come in in the most unsuspecting section of a game, and it's like, LaFleur's like, here it is, and it's the like he just bowls out the whole...
00:08:18
Speaker
The whole playbook and and part of that is like the the opponent has scouted for Jordan for a whole week and his game plan for this quarterback who's going to play within the passing game and stuff. But like you saw the whirly bird, you saw all the jet sweep motions, you saw all the backfield trickeration. Like literally the only thing they didn't do was run QB lead where Malik was like following a lead blocker like intentionally the whole way. But yeah, I totally agree with you that it's like,
00:08:49
Speaker
it's it's It's a really good thing because it makes it look really good when you need Malik to play well. But yeah, I do agree with you that, you know, we'll probably bring it up again a little bit. But yeah, it is a little bit of a head scratcher where you're like, I get that Jordan isn't the kind of runner as Malik, but his passing, the the differential in his passing ability should...
00:09:10
Speaker
offset the other side of that equation that you can still be as effective and yeah jordan's not the same athlete but he's still athletic for his like type his body type and size kind of thing and yeah i i do agree with you it is one of those like it's great because it's overall working out for us but at the same time it's like damn it matt like why you Why are you you sometimes? But yeah, it just is. I think that's what everybody was thinking was because it is. It's it's amazing that he can put this game on the fly, can put this game plan together to get Malik out there to survive.
00:09:47
Speaker
But having a week to prepare can make Jordan look like he's nothing and you know he's struggling and stuff like that. it just it It boggles my mind. So while it is going to stay afresh because Malik is doing you know came in on a bad situation and really shined, it can also it can go stale for two reasons. One, as stated, because of LaFleur somehow not being able to game plan for his number one quarterback, but can for his number two and number two, it can be stale.
00:10:22
Speaker
Because that just makes Malik a lot more money, and we know he's probably not going to stay the Packers backup after this year, which sucks. I mean, I'm happy for him that he's going to get a chance, but it sucks because now we've got to go back into, a what are we going to do? Do we bring in Anthony Richardson and see if we can do the same frigging magic with him? Because you know he's not going to be in – Indy very much longer or you know, what what do you do on that situation? So yeah, Malik has done wonderful. He's and he's such a great guy. He's very humble. He's very, you know respectable and You know, it's one of those you always see those questions on like reddit or whatever what what celebrity would you?
00:11:10
Speaker
have a hard time believing ever did something bad and you know malik would be that because he is such a out humble nice guy that if you know if somebody would come well he he kicks puppies and slaps children you wouldn't believe it because so it's like win. I agree. And Malik does er deserve extra props for like really sucking it up and trying to play in that overtime session. And like I said, it's an absolute shame that it ended the way it did because he was injured too. Like he's clearly injured. Can you explain something to me? Yeah.
00:11:52
Speaker
I don't understand this whole emergency quarterback thing. Because they kept saying, oh, well, there's not another one on the roster. Well, technically, they do have Clayton Toon as their practice squad guy. Now, do they have to announce him as I'm not certain on that part of the rule, but the either way, okay, let's just see...
00:12:16
Speaker
Yeah, I can't remember if you have to declare him before the game or not. But let's say that he was the emergency quarterback. Once Toon steps on the field, neither of your other two quarterbacks can play. And so, for instance, you flash back to 2010 when we played the Bears in the NFC Championship game. That's why everyone was like, oh, they did put Haney in because once Haney went in,
00:12:41
Speaker
Collins and Jake, you know, Cutler couldn't go back in the game. And it at the moment, you know, after the fact, we all know like Cutler had like a sprained MCL or meniscus or whatever the hell it was. So like he wasn't going back in the game, but it was the whole like, well, he's been riding the bike for like a whole quarter. Like, is he coming back kind of thing? And then they're like, well,
00:13:03
Speaker
i guess he's not and todd collins was so bad that it's like are you really losing anything by putting haney in there but then it gets down to the i forget if the rule is that You can play one of your other two quarterbacks if the emergency quarterback also gets injured or if it's just like then you got to go to like position players pitching kind of thing and stuff. so But yeah, i'm not I'd have to go and look up the emergency quarterback like if he has to be declared or if it is one of those just –
00:13:34
Speaker
he's designated like on your roster kind of thing. like Like, not automatically, but like he is just designated as that. And that's like your get out of jail free card in a sense. But like, yeah, like you could tell that one throw he makes to Reed in overtime, you're like, that thing you can count to like 14 Mississippi as it flutters through the air to Jaden Reed. and it's like, and honestly, when they made that play, I thought, okay, maybe they are going to do it because i was like,
00:14:02
Speaker
in a normal circumstance after all the crap that went on to end the regulation i was like that pass gets batted down or intercepted and that's how we lose the game but when he actually completed it i was like oh maybe they're maybe they're they're undoing all the bad luck and they're gonna pull it nope Yeah, I just, it it it had me confused because I understand you got the two guys on roster. You have one on practice squad, but yeah what's his face kept saying? Well, they they don't have any other quarterback on the roster. Well, yeah, yeah technically.
00:14:35
Speaker
Clayton Tune is still there as their practice squad guy. So I just, I wasn't sure how that all worked out. But anyway, Malik did wonderfully. he again,
00:14:48
Speaker
the to only the only stale parts about it is he's probably not going to be in Green Bay next year because he's going to get his bag of money and and get a chance at a starting position.
00:15:01
Speaker
Unfortunately, I feel bad for him because it's going to probably be on a team that isn't going, you know, they're more than a quarterback away from being contenders. So unless he decides that he loves it so much in Green Bay that, you know,
00:15:18
Speaker
it and and they offer him a decent amount just to stay and back up Jordan. but i good older I think what it's going to come down to is it's the money and opportunity are going to go hand-in-hand for him where it's like – is he going to get a fair shake to start like beat for a starting spot and potentially start somewhere?
00:15:40
Speaker
Or is he like going to be Carson Wentz for the Vikings this year where it's like, you're here to hold the playbook kind of thing. That's the scenario. It's only the latter kind of opportunities. He might come back because green Bay is not going to be able to offer him much of anything just because of where their salary cap. They're, they're about a year out kind of thing, but,
00:16:00
Speaker
they can't offer him more than milk and cookies at this point, you know, and they might be down to milk or the cookies kind of thing. But it is potentially a matter of, yeah, if, you know, it's just what the other teams are going to do out there. But like you said, like he really has rehabbed his image in terms of like going from he's so bad that Tennessee is shipping – for a seventh round to, oh my God, like 10 teams could have, use him as a starting quarterback kind of thing and, and be successful on offense. So it's, you know, it's a really good turn, you know, great work by, you know, Malik, honestly, just like being in a system that's good for him and putting in the work to improve.
00:16:44
Speaker
And then obviously on Matt LaFleur, cause like that just adds another feather in his cap. Like, I can fix the, and I can help you kind of thing. And it helps you, like you said, who the next Willis kind of thing and stuff.
00:16:58
Speaker
It'll be really interesting to see how that situation plays out. But I guess to kind of move further, the other low hanging fruit that I can throw out there is is Emmanuel Wilson has continued to really impress as a runner for this team.
00:17:14
Speaker
He don't get me wrong i love josh jacobs but you can tell he's ailing there were times where he just he couldn't cut and that kind of hurt some of his productivity but emilio wilson had no issues with that he was hitting the hole hard he was finding the gaps he was cutting when he needed to uh what was it i think he ended with 83 rushing yards total So, yeah, it just – he did an amazing job.
00:17:49
Speaker
It's kind of similar to the Malik thing. You know, if somebody comes – because I think he's free agent after this year. I don't think he's on any kind of restrictive tag because I think that was his past year was the ERFA tag for him.
00:18:07
Speaker
And if that's the case, – I think he's done. Maybe he can be a restricted free agent, but I'm pretty sure he was already on the ERFA tag.
00:18:19
Speaker
So, you know, if some team comes in and says, hey, we want you to be our number one guy, here's a bag of money, you know, that that's going to hurt too because he's been such a such a great rotation rotational guy that, you know,
00:18:40
Speaker
And again, nothing against Jacobs because when Jacobs is healthy outside of one thing we'll probably talk about later, he's been a tremendous pickup for this Packers team.
00:18:52
Speaker
and And to have Wilson in there as the guy who can give Jacobs a breather or step in when Jacobs needs a break or when Jacobs is hurt has been tremendous. So got to give it to Emmanuel Wilson and and what he's been able to do.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, really the only black mark on his game last night that swing pass like row thing that he let hit him in the face mask. But otherwise, and and it is a bummer because not that he would have walked in for a touchdown, but he probably gets the first down there. And maybe they're in position to get a touchdown on that that first guy. But yeah, outside of that, the burst, you could tell that he was over whatever was ailing him in Denver last week. His vision was much better. He looked more explosive again.
00:19:41
Speaker
And yeah, he like really was what they needed in the run game with, like you said, Jacobs obviously ailing and having the issue that we've been harping on all season.
Musgrave's Game Impact and Recovery
00:19:51
Speaker
Another brief one that I have, and honestly, this is probably the last one, is Musgrave. Musgrave had another solid contribution to the game. I kind of wish they kept going back to him. I feel like they get in this bad habit of like, okay, we've thrown him like three passes and that's all kind of thing. and like but And at the same time, it's great on that because it's like, what's it called?
00:20:17
Speaker
Love's and not in there. And it's like, and I know Willis hit him on the one corner route, but it's kind of like, damn, like I do bet they had a bunch more drawn up for Musgrave. Cause I mean, the first bears game, you saw it where they went deep, deep or deep cross deep scene kind of thing.
00:20:34
Speaker
And you're, and I felt like there was a little more in the bag for this one, but either the way, I'm just glad that he made the most of his opportunities in this game and was a big contributor for the Packers.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yeah, I was really surprised at how well Musgrave was playing. he even managed to stay on his feet after a couple of catches. So, you know, that was that was good to see.
00:20:59
Speaker
And because like like I've described him, and I wish there was a way to fix it, but he's got the legs of a ballerina, but he doesn't have the gracefulness of a ballerina.
00:21:11
Speaker
And it just... it And it's been rough on him because he's he was highly touted when he came in as a second rounder. And then he was quickly eclipsed by Tucker k Craft after he's after Musgrave s suffered some injuries. And he just could never rebound after that. Now he's getting some shots. It's good to see him kind of step in and and finally get hit get going a little bit.
00:21:41
Speaker
I wish he would work on his hands a little bit more because the way he catches, it can lead to either drops or balls getting batted or whatever. yeah So he does need to fix his mechanics on the catch.
00:21:56
Speaker
And you know I do feel sorry for him because he eventually ended up being the only tight end for a good portion of the game because of – I think they said Fitzpatrick went out with an Achilles. I think he tore his Achilles, yeah.
00:22:15
Speaker
And then Wiley was a no-go. Wiley still could cost, yeah. So it's going to be – I'm wondering what they go what they do going forward. Hopefully this McCastle or this Dabney can has been in the system long enough that they can step in Or you know are they is there anybody out there that they can pick up and say, hey, come in? not even joking that much anymore. 89 is available on the roster. Just go call Mercedes and – just have him come in and block kind of like you need a blocker like that's the thing is like if it's healthy you have him and musgrave who can go and run some routes and stuff and wiley can kind of do your sort of move tight end stuff but it's like they need a blocker like just go and bring marcedes back at this point and just at least he can block for you kind of thing but yeah it's
00:23:06
Speaker
i i'm I'm really pleased. for i'm i' Like you said, I'm happy for Luke. like It sucks when you become the last boy of the fan base and stuff. And it's good to just see him taking advantage of his opportunity here the past few weeks.
00:23:21
Speaker
It's going to come off a little weird, but one i do have one more. It's really – same thing. It's unfortunate how his – but I thought Jordan Morgan actually played a solid game most of the game.
00:23:34
Speaker
Like, there's still some stuff about him in the run game and all that kind of stuff, but everyone's only going to talk about the last play of regulation, and it is a bad play on his part.
00:23:45
Speaker
But for most of the night, you did not hear him talked about. And for a guy who is starting in a position that he's never really played before, I can't ask for much more of that.
00:23:55
Speaker
And, like, was it perfect? No. But it wasn't the reason they lost. And, like I thought for the most part he was solid. And yeah, you get dings because you got Malik hurt at the end.
00:24:11
Speaker
But yeah, I thought for the first 59 minutes and 43 seconds of regulation, I thought he was okay. And like...
00:24:23
Speaker
He may have settled into it, but he was pretty rough that first drive or two. Yeah, which i I'm on a curve a little bit there because, you know, he's not a right tackle. He's out of position. He doesn't have the strength for it. It's it's not his – nothing of that position fits what his body type, straight his play style is.
00:24:47
Speaker
And he he just battled. And that's why, like I said, that last play of regulation, it's it's a terrible play, honestly. Like you can't get caught with your hands. Forget in the cookie jar. They're basically, you know, holding his – in his hands at that point for all intents and purposes. But it that one play really just does put a black mark on his whole night. And there's another guy on going into that bit.
00:25:11
Speaker
but You know, that's how you lose these kind of games is you have these just – Let go of the rope for to me just a play here and there.
00:25:21
Speaker
And when you're not either executing well enough early in the game or you're missing key players on either side of the ball, that's how you get burnt in these situations. So that that's how 10-point lead evaporates in five minutes.
00:25:34
Speaker
Well, I do have one more that I i think he's really turned in He's starting to really come out of his his shell and has really started producing, and that's Javon Bullard.
00:25:46
Speaker
I thought he played a hell of a game. He's really stepped in even so much so that I'm surprised that Well, not his play has surprised me, but I'm surprised they only played two safeties the whole game. Yes. Xavier. And that just goes to show how much he's really stepped in and has been a tremendous player. Last year, you know, he struggled a little bit. Where does as he go? Is he a is he a slot? Is he a deep? Is he what? And I think this game showed he can play all over the place.
00:26:22
Speaker
And that's good when you've got a Evan Williams, who's probably going to be more of your, your, uh, Oh, what do you call it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh,
00:26:34
Speaker
where you can, okay, well, we're going to send Evan on a blitz up the middle. Okay, well, that's fine because we got Javon and Xavier in the deep end. Or we want to keep a Evan deep. Okay, well, that's fine because we can keep Javon up front. So it's looking better and better every game with him. and Now, the only other downside of that is i wish they would have played maybe a Catan or a Zane once in a while, because as we're probably going to get into a little bit later, they definitely needed some secondary help.
00:27:09
Speaker
But overall, I got to say Javon really played a really good game. No, I'm glad you brought him up. Yeah, i totally forgot. Yeah, like you said, he's a guy where as a rookie, he definite not that but he was the example of why the Packers try to like put guys in a role and have them play just a specific role. But you saw Bullard's struggle where he's just trying to he's being asked to do too many things, like you said, where it's kind of like, okay, like we need you to play slot. We need you to play D.
00:27:43
Speaker
the We don't know which one is your role because Evan Williams is injured and Ketan's not injured too. We don't want to play one of the veterans we have on roster at safety other than Xavier. So it's like you're going to just – take your lickings and you're just, you're going to be roadkill a little bit at certain points of the season. And you're just going to have to kind of live with it and good on Bullard to bounce back the way he does this season and just have the, the really, just honestly a really good top down season for himself. And just really excited what this means for him and the Packers defense moving forward, because yeah, I know that the bears aren't necessarily that kind of passing attack where he'll run.
00:28:21
Speaker
tested in the back half, but I don't think he really had any blown assignments. He still was good in run support and tackling. And yeah, like it's just, it's just a shame that the efforts get wasted away because you as a team just can't execute in the key moments down the stretch, but otherwise I'm good.
00:28:42
Speaker
You have anything else at this point?
00:28:45
Speaker
oh yeah,
00:28:47
Speaker
I'm trying to run through all the guys in my head at the moment. You know, just kind of Kind of, if you want to put it this way, the expiration date for this cheese is kind of you know, low, getting getting close, but you could throw probably Quay in there because I thought Quay played a that decent game overall.
00:29:12
Speaker
i I got to give it to Jordan Riley because he was literally playing his ass out
Defensive and Special Teams Performance
00:29:17
Speaker
of his pants. Yeah. but he's been looking pretty solid as just a guy picked up off a practice squad.
00:29:25
Speaker
of Brenton Cox, Lucas Van Ness, I thought played very well. I even have to give it a little bit to Rashawn. I thought he, outside of a handful of snaps, really put on a game.
00:29:39
Speaker
The front seven, without micah look pretty decent and getting pressures they just couldn't convert the pressures to uh to to full-on yeah and like you still got you still got like the intentional grounding you had some throwaways and stuff like that and you have to remember even with micah you had one sack from from in the first game And yeah, you know we we don't have to stretch this segment out too much longer. but you know no i just
00:30:16
Speaker
I'm trying to run through all the stuff in my head to make sure I'm not missing any major contributors. But okay, I'm going to throw this out there.
00:30:28
Speaker
Because just because of the weather conditions, I have to give it to both kickers. Both Santos and McManus, even though you know we've been off the McManus train since the day he was signed. But just with the way that I've never – well, I can't say I've never. I probably have. I just can't put it in my head. The last one was – The last one was that 2007 game in Chicago, the one where Favre couldn't throw the ball downfield.
00:30:58
Speaker
Right. But, I mean, what I was going to say is just to see those cro the the crossbar sway like that, it just yeah or the upright sway like that, it's like, my God. And then just some of the curve that these kickers had to put on the ball just to get it to go through the uprights.
00:31:17
Speaker
I just, I got to give it, and I know we're we shouldn't be celebrating the Bears because it is the Bears and whatever, but, you know, I got to give it to both kickers just because that it was...
00:31:31
Speaker
santos yeah Santos really was playing the wind really well on his because his kicks were longer. like I don't think McManus had one over 40 yards. yeah and That last one, it was like I get why he hit it low and hard like he did, but he almost pulled it left because he was so... like I just have to get it through. But Santos, had where it looked like he he pushed it. but It was the whole, like, the wind's blowing so hard, I'm going to push it so it hooks in for me kind of thing and stuff. So, yeah, i agree with you. Like, some heady play with the kicking game there.
00:32:05
Speaker
But I think that's about all I got on it. Yeah. Yep. I'm ready to move to the next one. What's this deal, shit?
00:32:16
Speaker
The only one I really got here is Xavier. like It would have been a tough play, but that one where he undercuts Colston Loveland and like it ends up being a pass broken up, he's picking that off last year. And it just shows how...
00:32:30
Speaker
how like fortune sort of changed year to year or kind of thing where like McKinney was just in such a zone last season where it's like he probably would have speared that with one hand if it was 2024. And then this year it's like he's getting both hands on it. Like I said, he's like getting there at the same time Loveland is like crossing and kind of gets a hand on the ball as well. But it just like...
00:32:55
Speaker
he's picking that last year and there's no doubt in my mind whereas this year it's like oh it's a nice pbu but then you don't stop the drive and the bears kick a field goal and all that kind of stuff and it is just of the things i had it yeah him right in the hands he was right there there was nothing the the the guy could have done to stop it from happening but yeah whatever reason the Xavier's hands are just not working this year. Yeah. And yeah, that definitely – right now it's a stale, but it's it's slowly starting to get into that moldy. Just because as a unit, they're just – they have dropped about –
00:33:34
Speaker
a dozen to like 18 interceptions this season where, like I said, they're not all like gifts, but you they you just have to make those plays, especially if you're going to play the style of defense Halfley wants to and you're missing Micah, you just can't miss those opportunities. And yeah, we're at this point in the season and it hasn't changed. so yeah. Uh...
00:33:57
Speaker
oh
00:34:00
Speaker
Stale, stale, stale. Maybe the receivers, just because it seemed like they... they I don't know. they They just seemed to struggle getting open, and you could tell it was getting kind of hard for these guys, both Jordan and Malik, to I get
00:34:20
Speaker
i get the I'm struggling to come up and form words with this because I get the weather was an issue. You know, throwing the ball was just basically like trying to kick the ball in that wind.
00:34:32
Speaker
But it just seemed like nobody was getting anywhere. And luckily, you know, Malik was able to take off and and get yardage on his feet. But i don't know. Outside of like a handful of catches, you know, the Romeo touchdown and and stuff like that, it just – yeah i i don't know it just it it was an off game but yeah and it's always hard to tell because you can tell like i said that that first uh the fourth down that jordan is incomplete on you can tell that watson kind of loses his footing coming out of his break a little bit sorry you know the bears play a lot of man coverage and how much
00:35:13
Speaker
They have that other teams aren't confident cutting hard on their crappy-ass field and all that kind of stuff. But you're right. like It would have been nice to see a little better. But also, it's sort of the like the passing game was a little more crisp with Jordan in there, which is what you expect when you go from your starting QB to your backup QB. But how much of that after that after the fact is like...
00:35:37
Speaker
Willis is just trying not to do too much. He's trying not to make the big mistake kind of thing. And it's like, how many of those are ones where Jordan just does pull the trigger and Willis is like, like we're moving the ball, running the, we're moving the ball, running it. And I just have to make enough plays through the air to keep the bears honest kind of thing and stuff. So yeah, it's hard to say like how much of it is,
00:36:01
Speaker
receivers, whatever, or yeah. So like you said, I do think it deserves to be in still where it's just like you guys had the game plan. It worked so well two weeks, kind of disappointing backup quarterback or not that you couldn't go back to the well consistently there.
00:36:16
Speaker
And I just want to throw this out there. We have no idea what these guys see on the field. I mean, we can sit here and watch the all 22 because I know the one big thing that a lot of people in a certain somebody to seem is pointing out is on one throw that it went complete to I think it was Musgraves or somebody like that but he had Watson running deep wide open that he could have hit him for we don't know what he saw and what he didn't see Willis never looks left like
00:36:49
Speaker
it's It's very easy to couch quarterback call, but it's pretty clear that the read is all to the right and he's just high-lowing the defender. And even Watson, like Christian doesn't jump or anything like that. He puts his hand up, but then he sees like, okay, yeah, the play like worked like I'm assuming it's supposed to and stuff. It's very easy to after the fact say like, oh, there was a touchdown I don't remember exactly what the pocket looked like. And again, like I said, when you're the backup quarterback, you don't, you feel this different kind of pressure where it's like, I just can't do too much. And I can't be, how did Malik get in trouble in week 18 last year? We get a interception, I think off the flea flicker and then he gets strips.
00:37:33
Speaker
He gets strips. Oh yeah, that's right. And then i'm pretty sure like two plays later, he gets strip sacked because it's like, they're trying to take a shot play after the fact. And he gets strip sacked because he holds the ball too long. And it's like,
00:37:45
Speaker
okay, like you can't have your cake and eat it too. And like you said, they did gain 20 yards or something like that on that play. So it's like, you know, it's so easy for the FN. And if Malik throws him that ball and he drops it,
00:37:59
Speaker
Oh, like, you know, I don't that's why I don't like to play the game in that regard. So right. Then he was trying to make up all kinds of excuses like, oh, well, it was under thrown or it was overthrown or, you know, it didn't hit him.
00:38:12
Speaker
So, yeah, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. you You just it went for a good play. The play was drawn up for a certain way. Yeah, it would have been nice that had it been complete, you know, he threw it to Watson and Watson made the catch.
00:38:28
Speaker
we probably would have had a touchdown for it, but yes, it hindsight's 20, 20. Again, we don't know what, what Malik was seeing. We don't know all that stuff because we're watching it from a completely different point of view.
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah. So, so don't think I have any others. No, I'm good. Uh, Uh, button. It's a Moody cheese. oh How many of them do you want to go through? I'll let you take the first one since I've gone first the first two.
00:39:04
Speaker
I got to say the Josh Jacobs fumble. I don't know what that one was all about. i don't know how. I mean, obviously it was a good play by the Bears to be able to punch it out, but...
00:39:18
Speaker
He reminds me of so much of Aaron Jones in that aspect where they play so well and this shit doesn't happen. Then all a sudden in the worst possible times, it pops up.
00:39:30
Speaker
And i don't think that you and I have talked about all season. Yeah. I don't think it has anything to do with the injury because obviously his injuries are not in his hands or and or in his arms or anything like that, unless it was one of those, cause I get the back spasms where it's like, the pain hits, everything just drops out of my hands.
00:39:50
Speaker
And unless it's something like that, where he took a hit to the knee and the pain got so bad that he just let loose of the ball or whatever. But I can't say that cause I don't know. But I and I don't know a fix for it because it's not like it's a regular occurrence for him.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah, and the one part of it that's – and that's the thing is like this isn't like the Indianapolis fumble or the Browns fumble earlier this season where it's like he's holding the ball a little loose and a little low. Like he had two hands on it.
00:40:24
Speaker
This one, it's two topics that I absolutely hate most. But on one hand, we have said all year long like so Josh has like – he's tiptoeing on having fumble-itis issues.
00:40:39
Speaker
And it's been a like quiet problem for the team. And I did say it on Twitter. I said that that fumble was honestly more costly than Dobbs muffing the onside kick, Keyshawn's brain fart.
00:40:55
Speaker
Everyone's going to remember those two plays because of when they happened in the game. But coming away with nothing on that drive, and it's twofold. So one, you get no points on a drive where you're inside the five-yard line, you know, where he's getting contacted in the fumble for us. But two, is it was first and goal, I think.
00:41:12
Speaker
So you lose the opportunity to burn what was the amount of time basically on the clock when the Bears recover the onside kick. So like it's it's it's a double whammy for the Packers where you don't burn an extra like one and a half to two minutes off the clock. And then also you're not scoring points and really good on the Packers defense to turn around. And, you know, they gave up some yards, but they still force a punt after that. But it is just one of those where it's like you were about to go up potentially as much as 17 in that point. And at that point, the game's not over because it's still the third quarter, but it's like you take so much control and really like the like,
00:41:51
Speaker
the like mental side of the game fits in because then the Bears are like, oh, fuck, like, are we about to go, you know, the Packers score another touchdown later. And it's like, man, did we just go down 17 points to a backup quarterback that after we headhunted the starting quarterback to start the game? So, yeah, it it it is just a bummer.
00:42:13
Speaker
Like you said, and so I've seen some people try to be like, oh, he's playing injured. I'm like, first off, no. His injury is to his leg. Like you like you said, there's the off chance that he has a spasm and it causes him to whatever. But no, like, that's not why he fumbled. like yeah And the other side of it is it's like...
00:42:35
Speaker
just it It just can't happen at that point. I was working on something a couple months ago where I had to go up over my head and then all of a sudden my back just spasm and everything fell out of my head. So it's like, yeah, it's possible, but but I doubt it. I doubt it. And like I was saying,
00:42:55
Speaker
It's not like it's an Amon Green thing where we know he's at least going to be good for a fumble every game. You know, it's just this really freak occurrence once in a great while that happens. And it just, it always seems to happen at the worst times. And it's the same thing with Aaron, like I said, with Aaron Jones. It always seemed to happen at those worst possible times that the sure-handed guy gets you know loses a fumble.
00:43:26
Speaker
And you know there's there's nothing you can practice with it. There's nothing you can you know work on with it. It just once in a great... I don't know. Has there ever been a running back that has never fumbled the ball in his career? No. I feel like they announce or jinx it every time anyway. So yeah, it's just... it is It's just...
00:43:50
Speaker
It's just a bummer because, like I said, it it really cost the team in in two regard regards there.
Onside Kick Controversies and Coaching Issues
00:43:57
Speaker
The other low-hanging fruit from this game is, like like I said, there were individual issues, but I just don't understand how Matt is still keeping Basaccia on his staff. like I understand that Dobbs has to make that play, but at the same time,
00:44:15
Speaker
Like, I'm not defending – like, okay, I'm just – I'm not defending anything Dobbs does on that play. But the fact that he does not attack group the the bouncing ball, you know, it's the whole, like, when you play baseball, everyone says charge a ground ball, right? Because it's like you want to – you don't want it to give it a chance to take a bad bounce. Like, it did – it clearly takes that – Dobbs gets caught in between because he's like, oh, I'm going to wait to make sure it goes 10 yards.
00:44:44
Speaker
and oh oh, it did go 10 yards, but oh, it it it's it's bouncing at me, so I'm going to wait back here. That's coaching. What I want every Packers fan to do is go back throughout Donald Driver's career. I'm sure he flubbed a couple, but...
00:44:59
Speaker
me that give you a respect for how aggressive and how fearless driver was recovering onside kicks because he would, especially because back in that era, that was when every team prescribed to the, you have to pop fly the kick, you know, you kick it into the ground and it pops up. Donald would go and he would, you know, he was a, he could have qualified for the Olympics. He was that good of a high jumper and he would just go and sky hitting for that ball. And guys just don't attack onside kicks like that anymore. And,
00:45:29
Speaker
That's why I don't like... And that's why i said, like, it's not defending Dobbs. He still needs to make that play no matter what. But the coaching to be like, oh, yeah, we're going to let it come to you kind of thing.
00:45:43
Speaker
And then the blocking scheme is so bad that there's... coming to help cover Dobbs up after. Because how many of those drills did we do where it's like, yeah, you have the front wall blocking, but everyone else is rut is sprinting to where the ball is kicked because of this scenario where either it pops out so you're there to recover it or you're just all, you do, you know, it's the linemen drill where you all jump on top of the linemen when they have a chance to recover the ball and you, you know, you make the mound and stuff to protect the football.
00:46:12
Speaker
No one, no one else in white is in frame. Like, and All those things combined, those are all coaching. And once again, and on top of it, like I said, the Packers just continuously bad returns on special teams, penalties on special teams, not knowing an onside kick. so i like I was honestly joking with Westendorf because you know he tweeted like,
00:46:40
Speaker
because the Bears kind of screwed up and kicked the their last field goal so late that the kick went into the two-minute warning. He's like, this has to be an onside kick.
00:46:50
Speaker
And I messaged him and I was 20 bucks that Versace doesn't even line us up in an onside recovery lineup kind of thing. And so it's like, like, i it is just one of those, like, I don't know what anyone is expecting disappointment from that unit. And that's why it's just so far into the moldy that it's like, like I said,
00:47:11
Speaker
Not excusing Dobbs for not making that play, but just the way they lined up and the way that Dobbs goes to receive and not go get the football, that's all coaching. Like, it's just so bad, and it's so lame, I'm so over it. We've both been over it for so long, but it's just like, what we doing here anymore? He didn't seem was ready for it no matter what.
00:47:34
Speaker
Right. And it's like, that's your that's your responsibility being in that spot. and And we've seen Dobbs recover an onside kick as recently as like three weeks ago, and he did it perfectly. So yeah, it's like...
00:47:52
Speaker
and And he did like go a little more aggressively at the ball at that moment, so I have no idea. but it just i know he was quoted as saying in something, but I don't remember. Something about it was knuckling, and it was just such a slow roll. He wasn't sure what to do or something.
00:48:11
Speaker
and like i said that goes back to coaching where it's like what's the coaching oh go recover like i guarantee you that's all he's told is like go get it like go recover make sure you recover the ball it's like oh like you know and that's to my thing is like you just don't coach the scenarios like you you just draw it up on the whiteboard and it's like we're gonna line up over here you're gonna get the ball kind of thing and like I'm like, you just, I'm like, and it goes back to the Bisaccia doesn't, reportedly doesn't want,
00:48:43
Speaker
As in, you know, really advanced scout the opposing team or his own personnel kind of thing and stuff. And yeah, like, it's just one of those where I'm kind of like, Matt, like, you've got to cut yourself free of this or it's going to get... I don't want Matt to get fired because he won't get rid of a guy. But it's like, Matt, you have got to cut the dead weight on this.
00:49:06
Speaker
Get yourself out from under Bisaccia dragging your your ass down at this point. I was trying to find the quote real quick, but I'm not going to find it because all it is is everybody just trashing Romeo right now.
00:49:18
Speaker
But i just I know they said it was like he said something about it being such a slow roller and knuckling that he wasn't sure how to play it. And yeah, something like that. But yeah.
00:49:31
Speaker
And to people trashing Romeo, don't. You can't be like that. I get so tired of these people because of their own sports. He's the other one that was having a pretty good game. up to you know He catches the touchdown the really nice touchdown throw from Willis. He had a couple good catches from Love or game and stuff. And no one's going to remember any of that guy who, you know, it's all over. the He wussed out and didn't go and get – Yes, he needs... He can't get so in his head. His attitude has to be, I'm getting this ball. now i'm goingnna you know I'm going to recover. It's, that's mine. I'm going to get it, hell or high water, no matter what. And i know it opens himself up to, like, oh, he went too aggressively and he missed it. But it's, like, the best place to try and recover an onside kick is before it gets to 10 yards because the opposing team can't do anything to you at that point. So it's, like... were could
00:50:31
Speaker
Let me ask you this, because we've we've seen it before with deep kicks, and I remember Randall Cobb was the king of this. What if he would have had one foot out of bounds and touched it? Would that have downed it?
00:50:44
Speaker
yes it would have the problem is i think he's he's just in no man's land because on the replay i was like oh like he when he muffed it and initially when he muffed it i was like was he potentially like half out of bounds when he tried to recover it but like he's so far off the sideline like he's he's like closer to the numbers than he is to the sideline and i think that's like 8 to 12 yards or something like that where the the the bottom of the numbers are from the sideline and so like Again again, it's like what are we coaching? Like what what's the point is like and that's my thing is like he should be tighter to the he should be tighter to where the kicker is for this very reason where it's like you get one of these slow rollers and it's like
00:51:35
Speaker
you know, he's like like, what do I do? Do I wait for it? And you like you said, you can see it in his brain where he's like, oh, it might not get to 10 yards. And then when it crosses 10 yards, he's like, ugh. And at that point, it's too late for him to get closer to it because he's like, oh, if it takes that last bad bounce and I'm watching it, it's getting around me. So then he's stuck.
00:51:54
Speaker
where he is. And then by that point, it takes one more last bad hop. And he's like, his hands are like six inches away from the ball. And that's why he misses it. And to me, that just purely comes where you line up before the guy kicks it. That's coaching.
00:52:10
Speaker
like Like you said, yes, the ball would be dead, ruled out of bounds if he's like straddling the sideline. But he's not he's not anywhere close enough for that to be a reality. Well, I thought he was a little bit closer to the sideline.
00:52:24
Speaker
I thought he was, too. But then when they were showing the replay of like the muff and the recovery, I was like, he's no he yeah he needed to be seven feet tall to touch the sideline with his toe kind of thing. So, yeah. I just was thinking, like man, that...
00:52:39
Speaker
Randall Cobb was the king of that that. That was just would have been the perfect way for that to happen was for his foot to just be yeah out of bounds when he touched it. But so to keep going, i would say
00:52:53
Speaker
I'll say it the frigging secondary outside of Javon Bullard was just putrid. And it's something that we've been going on forever ever that It's just not good enough.
00:53:08
Speaker
Right. and We understood the signing of Hobbs. That was going to be, you know, a piece to it. But then we kept saying, okay, well, everybody wants rid of Jair, which, you know, hindsight 2020 Jair is off doing Jair things. You know, either he can't get fully healthy or his mindset set is not right or whatever, you know, more power to him with what he's doing.
00:53:33
Speaker
but they never did anything outside of that. This room is so lacking right now that the even if the Packers do get into the playoffs, are they going even going to be able to make a deep run because all they got to do is – be pass heavy. I mean, yeah, like I said, the front seven was getting decent pressure on Caleb, but that doesn't matter when your your secondary can't cover a barn.
00:54:05
Speaker
You know, it just, in I don't know what they can do. i think it's too late for them to be bringing anybody in. I know the people are going to say, oh, well, look at what Asante Samuel Jr. doing out in Pittsburgh. I get that. we We started coming around and pushing for them to at least give him a practice squad spot, but they must have not liked something in his medicals that they weren't comfortable with that Pittsburgh was. Or the other side of it is like Pittsburgh was like, you're going to get to start. like You're definitely going to get to start when you're cleared, cut like when you're fully up to conditioning and stuff. And the Packers are like, you're going to have to play for a spot kind thing.
00:54:45
Speaker
there's a big difference for it. It's like, I need in time to resuscitate my potential earning capability this offseason, next offseason kind of thing. And you, like, we talked about at the time.
00:54:58
Speaker
Goot probably was like, we want to two some sort of two-year thing where it's like, we're to give you a ramp-up period. You're going to get to compete for playing time this season. And then we have you for next season where, like, potentially, again, playing time, Whereas, you know, think I'm going interrupt you. The only thing I have to say against what you were talking about with the Pittsburgh signing is they initially signed him to the practice squad. He didn't get called up from the practice squad until there was an injury and they cut loose Darius Slay and they brought Asante Samuel Jr. up to that. So we don't know what the circumstances behind that was, but
00:55:38
Speaker
You know, there should have been no reason the Packers couldn't say, hey, yeah, we'll throw you on the practice squad. if you like you said that's wherequad And like you said, that's where it does probably come down to like, they're just like, we don't need another guy with neck and spinal issues. Like we've had enough of that in our time. But that's the only thing I can think of because all we heard of rumor wise up until the time, the day that he signed with Pittsburgh on the practice squad was if he's cleared, the Packers are in.
00:56:08
Speaker
So yeah that just tells me there's something in the medicals that the Packers did not like. And it just they didn't feel comfortable with it. And, you know, more power to him. He did have a good game last week. I don't know how he's doing this week because I'm not watching any kind of football today. So but anyway, yeah Back to my point, we all understood the Hobbs signing.
00:56:36
Speaker
Carrington is what Carrington is. He's a good cover guy, but he can't tackle for shit. But there is nobody that they brought in to be that person. And I've said it from the beginning. I've said it since Keyshawn made his statement.
00:56:51
Speaker
Keyshawn Nixon is not a number one cornerback. He may be a solid number two. He may be a solid number three. But he is not a premier cornerback in the NFL. Does he have his moments? Sure. I mean, hell, he's whats what's he up to? Like 15 pass defenses so far this season?
00:57:12
Speaker
Sure, why not? But we all saw the drawback of it. He he makes too many mental mistakes. he's I know everybody's comparing this to the 2014 NFC Championship game because of the the the onside kick miss. and The only part of the and NFC Championship game that this reminded me of was that last pass for a touchdown because they were in solid coverage, but...
00:57:42
Speaker
He took the outside route instead of having the inside route. If he would have been on the inside of DJ Moore, it probably would have been in interception, but he went on the outside of it. He played it as well as he could from being on the outside. Yeah.
00:57:56
Speaker
you saw what happened. So I, I just, I'm, I'm over that. i like I said, if we managed to make it into the playoffs, I, unless there's a miracle, I just, I don't see it being a long run. and that's where, yeah. And,
00:58:15
Speaker
i said like I know you were kind of saying, like you know if you believe in the storybook, they could go on a run like they did in 2010 and all that kind of stuff. It is just so hard down this much personnel. you know You've lost Parsons for the season, Tucker's out for the season, all that kind of stuff. When you're down that much talent, it is so hard to win four road games in a row. like It's just such a hill to climb. And it's not like...
00:58:40
Speaker
We've seen the best at different times, but it just all clicked. again You know, that's the thing is like that 2010 game, that 2010 team, you had blowouts in the middle of the season. They were, they blew out. they There was two weeks in a row. They got coaches fired. They got Wade Phillips fired and they got, what's his face? The Vikings coach, the the schism man. They got him fired in back-to-back weeks. Yeah.
00:59:08
Speaker
And they just they they just haven't put that out there at all. this And that's where, you know, 2010, it had a, you know, like, when Parsons got injured, you're like, shit, there went the season kind of thing. And granted, Clay Matthews was mostly, how I know he dealt with hamstring issues, but he came back for the season. Woodson doesn't get her injured until the Super Bowl. So you're like, okay, our two best defensive players are out there and stuff like that. But at the same time, it's like,
00:59:39
Speaker
At least with the 10 team, you were more disappointed in their losses because you were like, we've seen this team be elite, elite, elite on both sides of the ball. And we've seen them do it same kind of thing. So it made it believable that they could get in the right mind and do it over a run. This team, it's like on...
00:59:58
Speaker
Paper or in theory, even with Parsons out, you're like, we've seen them put good offense together and we've seen them play good structured defense, but you haven't seen it all in the same game. And even within the same game, it's like the best games are like the off good one half and the defense played their half and they scrape together enough scoring drives and defensive stops to win the game by four kind of thing. And it's not like, oh yeah, they like the closest you got was kind of the Pittsburgh game.
01:00:28
Speaker
two and a half months ago at this point. And that's why it's kind of like, you're just, you know, it's not as bad as last season where you just like backpedal into the playoffs, but it is sort of that way where it's like, and that's what we were talking about in the preview for this game was it's like, how are you going to bounce back and show us, you know,
01:00:50
Speaker
that you are like, yes, you've lost Micah. That's a huge blow. But will you show us that you are for real? Regardless, you're going to go out there. And like you did it for 55, but that's not good. And that's been the problem with this team all season. Even in some of their wins is like they blink or they let go of the rope for a split second, you know, just this parcels of time. And it either makes the games more pucker up.
01:01:16
Speaker
They need to be, or... You get the Browns, Panthers, Eagles, this past game instances where it's like four of your five losses where it's like you had it and you blew it because you just you know you just took a dump in the middle of the field on yourself.
01:01:36
Speaker
Yeah, I know. The other one that I've got out there, it's more of like a – than anything. I'm so fucking annoyed that in the because of how individual and team stats are recorded, it's so fucking annoying that the Jordan Love-Caleb Williams head-to-head matchup is 2-2, but Jordan didn't even play a full game's worth of game in the two losses, and that's just how it works where he's the quarterback of record because he started the game, and particularly in this one,
01:02:11
Speaker
Like you said, he wasn't perfect, but they were moving the ball fucking will on the Bears. And what did it take? It took Austin Booker two dirty hits. Like, I know the first one didn't really injure Love.
01:02:22
Speaker
lot of Bears fans complaining about the first roughing the passer penalty that Love drew. and ever And it's not just fans. There's a lot of fans of other teams who are like, that is quite literally the body weight rule. Like, he he had every...
01:02:37
Speaker
pull up and like sidestep or turn. But he decided, no, I'm going to drive Jordan into the turf. And it's not even just the body weight rule. It's he drove him into the ground. Yeah.
01:02:48
Speaker
It's like, it's it's from the moment of you could have hit the brakes and just like shoved him. But no, it's like, I need to wrap him up and drive him into the, pick him up and drive him into the turf. And like I said, it it wasn't just Packers fans. It was a lot of like, cause that ML football aggregate account was like,
01:03:06
Speaker
how terrible was this call? And there was a lot of fans that are like, It can be the body weight or the driving the quarterback into the ground rule, but he did both of them. And they're like, you can see him pull Love off the ground and drive him down. he waits so And then the play he concusses Jordan on. And I've seen a lot of Bears fans who are like, Jordan's ducking. I'm like, he's ducking because he he's trying to give himself up because he's you can see it in his face where he like kind of like maneuvers the pocket. And he looks at Booker and he's like, shit. Like, you got me, bro, kind of thing. And all he's doing is he's going to turtle on the ball so that he doesn't fumble it.
01:03:44
Speaker
And then Booker's like, oh, no, I got you. And you he clearly puts his head down and just drills Jordan into... January. Like there's, and that's the only instance, those types of hits are the only instances where I wish the NFL would adapt the targeting rule that NCAA has.
01:04:08
Speaker
And, uh, and am i being a homer because my wife's a chargers fan tony jefferson got so one of the ultimate screw jobs last week where he gets ejected from the cheat the game against the chiefs where he's coming in to make a form tackle on a guy who caught a ball and he's 5 11 the guy who caught the ball is like 5 8 because it was hollywood brown i think and it's you know it that one was more a matter of he's coming from range and he has to close kind of thing Like you said, Booker looks love dead in the face. And he's like...
01:04:43
Speaker
I've got him and clearly lowers the boom on Jordan. And he's like, I am lights out for him. And thank God, Jordan. I know that like that he's definitely concussed, but thank God he didn't get, have to get stretchered off the field. Cause that was a dirty play. I did love all the people who are like, Howie Long would know what a dirty is. Cause he definitely delivered a bunch of, but for someone like Howie Long,
01:05:13
Speaker
yeah how theyre fucking He was perturbed. Yeah. And then frustrating the oval. That's a typical hit in our day. And Hallie's like, no, those are dirty hits. Yeah, we've made some hits in our day, but those are those were dirty. And it wasn't just the loved ones. There was the...
01:05:33
Speaker
The one where the guy jumped onto the the scrum that got called for a penalty. Then there were a couple other ones, and he's like, man, the Bears are coming out dirty.
01:05:47
Speaker
And, you know, like I said, Strahan's trying to – that can be a fresh for this game is how much Howie Long, Howie frigging Long was
Impact of Rough Hits and Fan Criticism
01:05:57
Speaker
sitting in there talking about how how dirty the Bears were playing this game.
01:06:03
Speaker
Yeah. it it you know it Like I said, it's just a shame because Jordan played so well against the Bears. the first And like like you said, it was probably a B game that it was averaging out to before he got concussed.
01:06:16
Speaker
But a B game was eviscerating the Bears defense up and down the field. And it's just so frustrating that... he gets taken out. And then I saw some people, you know, the Jaquan Brisker one in the third quarter where he like clearly and stupidly hits Malik Willis when Willis has given himself up on the ground.
01:06:39
Speaker
And people are like, oh, like, should Brisker be ejected? I'm like, no, the NFL has. And I said, right or wrong, the NFL has never prescribed to the Major League Baseball rules of escalation and that ejections can come from, you know, prior incident escalation and stuff.
01:06:58
Speaker
Maybe if your team is being stupid like that, here but that's the problem is. The NFL, and we we say it all the time, they're a reactionary league. They never make that kind of litigation the initial litigation in the middle of the game. They're always, a oh, we're reviewing it. you know It's an off-season point of emphasis kind of thing and stuff. If that was Booker instead of Brisker, who hi me he definitely should have been ejected. But it's really hard for the NFL to go, oh, well, because Booker...
01:07:30
Speaker
clearly had it in for jordan and dirty hit him out of the game and we missed our opportunity to eject him when he could he intentionally yes i am going that far that he intentionally smoked jordan in the face with his helmet we missed the opportunity to eject him there we're going to eject brisker because he's one of the dumbest people in the nfl the nfl has never operated on that mechanism and they're not going to start doing that in the game However, if you go back to my original point of it, if they would start adapting the targeting rule that the NCAA has, he would have been ejected because that was textbook targeting on that play also. Because once you give yourself up on a slide, you're done. It's over.
01:08:14
Speaker
Yeah. And he I don't know by the letter of the law they have now if he should have been ejected, but if they were to adapt a targeting rule...
01:08:26
Speaker
that definitely would be an ejection now i'm going to throw it before you start going off on anything i want to throw something else in there i'm also going to throw in a moldy on this because where the hell was the other packers if we would have like a tj lang or a baktiari or somebody like that there would have been a scrum now i'm not advocating for fighting whatever you know But you need to be standing up for your quarterbacks. I didn't see it when Booker took out Love. I didn't see it when Brisker went after Malik.
01:09:01
Speaker
I mean, they did start getting into some pushing and shoving during the game, but those are the times that you need to be standing up for your quarterback. Yeah. And I didn't see it.
01:09:12
Speaker
And this isn't a, like, is there a schism? It's just like, yeah, it is sort of the, like, They're just missing. The problem is, is I think that guy, he's on injured reserve. That's Tucker. Like Tucker definitely gets into it there kind of thing, even if coming the- But should be your offensive line. It's always been your offensive line. And I agree with you. Your job an offensive lineman is to protect your quarterback, whether he's playing or whether he's not playing.
01:09:39
Speaker
Yeah. i didn't hear I think the first guy there is always going to be the one who's like, Jordan, like, stay down kind of thing and stuff. But everyone else should be ready to muck it up and throw. And I think Tasha kind of got into that a little bit after the game, too.
01:09:54
Speaker
my My thing is like the two guys that I would count to be those guys are Tucker and Elton and they're both on IR kind of thing. But you're absolutely right that you have veterans out there. So I know Banks hasn't been around the block with the team that long, but he's a vet he's a he's a veteran in this league. And Sean and Rashid are both fourth year players. And it's like- Those are the two that I'm especially looking at because the two guys that should be protecting their quarterback at all times, your blindside protector and the guy that's snapping you the ball yep and neither one of them did it so yep it is what it is more if you don't have any more go for it i yeah go for it i i'm sure maybe a couple more will come to mind but i'm struggling a little bit right now tom friggin brady he needs to be off period i i don't care and i i i don't understand it
01:10:51
Speaker
but as a commentator you are not to so show any kind of bias and he was continuously biased during this game and i have proof of it And for those Bears fans, I wish I would have been able to get the audio of it so I could play it here.
01:11:09
Speaker
But there is literal proof if you go back and watch the game, unless they alter it for some reason, if you go back and listen to it, anytime the Bears did something, he was excited. He was, you know, off the rails and he was breaking it down. and But when Malik throws that deep pass to Romeo for the touchdown,
01:11:31
Speaker
Tom Brady sounds so depressed, I thought he was going to just shut up for the rest of the game. But then when the Bears started making their comeback and all that stuff, he was back up to it again.
01:11:47
Speaker
That right there shows bias. And as a commentator, you are not to show any kind of bias. That's why i like Greg Olson. That's why I like, you know, I don't even have a problem with Tessitore. don't have a problem with, I mean, Daryl Johnston in a way does show his biases, mainly when the Cowboys are playing. at least it's for his Cowboys. Like, I don't blame him. Like, he's definitely been caught on the hot mic saying we, but I can't blame the guy because that's the team he played for. Like, I wouldn't, i agree with you. I have no problem with that.
01:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't be upset. like I would be irritated, but wouldn't be mad if Brady was like, oh yeah, New England did great kind of thing, or oh, Tampa Bay, great. But you never play for him. Because he is a minority owner. Right. And then on top of it, like,
01:12:37
Speaker
you have those instances and then I just don't think she ever should have been allowed to continue commentating with all the stuff that are, you know, there's that list that's made public knowledge of all the things he's not allowed to like rip the league about. And not that he's like, not that any color guy should be like, you know, needling the NFL, a whole game kind of thing. But the fact that like Burkhardt is like,
01:13:04
Speaker
he burkhart deserves a raise because he is working with you know everyone jokes about how many like you know brady's a zombie or whatever kind of thing and stuff but he's literally working with like the equivalent of a lobotomized patient because of like you said the things that brady isn't isn't allowed to talk about because of his so And you hear like like you said, the touchdown to Dobbs, Burkhardt makes a great call. Burkhardt was great the whole game, honestly. I thought he was really good on a play-by-play instance and stuff.
01:13:36
Speaker
But he is great. That's who was about, not Tessitore. For some reason, I had Joe Tessitore in my head. He does have some instances where he kind of does have some tests to him and stuff. Tess's voice is a little lower. But yeah, Tessitore. burke he's dragging the sled up the hill kind of like you and you and this it's always sad when you hear a play-by-play guy throw the soft the figurative softball up for the color commentary guy and it's just like forget a whiff he didn't even swing at it kind of thing and kevin's kind of let there's there's like multiple times a game where burkhardt is left going
01:14:12
Speaker
I mean, yeah, that's that's what I was thinking. But, oh, next play is coming up, so, you know, let's let's move along. and You can almost, like, you can, like, almost in your mind see him, like, kind of, like, looking at Tom, like, uh-huh, uh-huh, and then he's like, never mind, back to the action kind of thing and stuff, but, yeah, it is. that's what mean. the Bears were doing their jobs, and this isn't taking away from the Bears. The Bears ended up being the better team. yeah It is what it is.
01:14:39
Speaker
But... Every time that they would do something, Brady was all over it. Oh yeah, that was a great design, this, this, this. But then whenever the Packers would do something, move yeah.
01:14:51
Speaker
Okay. like And i agree. And what's really annoying is like when the backup quarterback is in and making, having success, the color commentator on average, the color commentator is at least pushing, overplaying and like breaking the, they shouldn't be able to have this much success when their starting quarterback is out kind of thing. And it it's just like, really? We're not going to get anything? Like...
01:15:19
Speaker
Yeah. Like, the most excited he got was when he was doing the Christian Watson was open on the backside, but i guess he just took the safe points with Musgraves kind of thing. And I'm like, like, that's the play you're going to like, seriously. But yeah, no surprise. Like, he's honestly, he's what's really funny is a lot of Patriots fans are like, Brady, we love like Bill Simmons is like,
01:15:44
Speaker
I'm trying to wait it out, but Tom, just go own the Raiders. like Simmons has multiple times where he's just like, Tom, I love you. I love the six rings you got for us, but just go sit in the owner's box at the Raiders games. And and thats kind that's echoed through a lot of –
01:16:05
Speaker
eight New England Patriots fans where they're just like Brady like just Tommy boy just just go sit in the owner's box don't don't do this to yourself anymore right and I'm over it I I never I was never the biggest Tom Brady fan in the world anyway and then for him to be on my TV constantly is just I yeah honestly when he started talking I totally forgot that even though it was the Saturday night game I forgot it was a Fox broadcast because was like i was like Because i was i wasn't super... I didn't have the volume up that loud, but I was like, that doesn't sound like Tirico. And then I was like, why is Tom Brady talking on my TV? And then I finally saw the little Fox emblem on the top right corner. i was like...
01:16:49
Speaker
Oh, fuck. It's not a – was like, God damn, why can't I at least get Tariqo and – Tariqo and what's his face? jason the Jason Garrett kind of thing. I was like, I would have rather had that. At least at least Jason Garrett would have gotten a chub for a backup quarterback getting in a game and having a good performance. He say Brady would too because look at how his career started. Right. So – But we're not going to give him any more spotlight because he doesn't deserve any more.
01:17:19
Speaker
Fox has got the Super Bowl this year, don't they? Yes. I believe so. then you know Brady is going to be the guy. i almost guarantee you Brady is going to be your man in that in the box. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So...
01:17:35
Speaker
Well, not that I watch the Super Bowl unless the Packers are in it anyway. Right. Yeah. That's what I couldn't even tell you. I can't even guarantee to tell you who's doing the broadcast because I can't do the, well, it was NBC last year and it was CBS the year before kind of thing. So I i can't even do it that way. So, Yeah.
01:17:51
Speaker
But i just I'm over it. He needs to be out of there because that that right there is And I know Bears fans are going to hear this. Oh, well, that's just sour grapes. and No, because i don't think he should have showed. If you want bias, then you go to the team's own commentary. Yes.
Broadcast Bias & Fan Interactions
01:18:09
Speaker
If I want Packer bias, I'm going to go listen to Wayne and and Rock do the the commentary because I know they're going to celebrate when the Packers do something. But I know Wayne is still going to make the game exciting to listen to. So if I want it, that's where I'm going to go. But if I'm going to watch the TV broadcast,
01:18:28
Speaker
with the tv commentators i want an unbiased guy in the box now like you said with like uh uh daryl johnston or even a little bit with with greg olson tony romo can in a little bit and i'm not even the biggest tony romo fan when it's their team that they played for or yeah one of the teams that they played for it's it's so hard to take that human element out but yeah i agree when it's like bro, like you have no ties to this team. What are you doing? Kind of thing. Yeah. yeah But let's not give him any more attention than he already gets and stuff. What was your other one? and You said you had two.
01:19:07
Speaker
Yeah, I just forgot it. I think I covered a lot of it with, with,
01:19:14
Speaker
when we were talking about the penalties and that and and the scummy play of of the bears and even howie long calling it out but i do just want to throw and i hate doing this because this involves a lot of listeners but guy the people on twitter the keyboard keyboard warriors knock it off it doesn't make you look good it makes you look like an idiot especially when you're making accounts just to do this shit.
01:19:46
Speaker
Uh, there's one right now that is like really taken me off and I think he's a, uh, content creator that Michael Rodney. sure. He, yeah, I don't know. I just been see, I don't follow him, but I, uh,
01:20:08
Speaker
Yeah, writing about the Packers since the 80s. But he's been just so frigging...
01:20:16
Speaker
i don't know. But stuff like that just boggles my mind because you're letting this game dictate your your your life.
01:20:27
Speaker
And if that's the type of person you want to be, then I don't i don't want... to deal with you on that aspect. Do I feel down about the game? Yeah, it was a bad game. It should have never went that way, but I'm not going to be that type of person where I'm going to sit there and, you know, Romeo needs to go jump off a bridge and, and, Take Rich Bisaccia with him or, you know, all the death threats Mason got years ago and Brandon Bostic and and those guys, you know, they're people. People make mistakes. Everybody thinks that, oh, well, they make it the NFL. They should never have mistakes. Well, fuck, everybody has mistakes. If they never had mistakes, the only two have won the Super Bowl for like a decade kind of thing. So like that that's – yeah. Yeah.
01:21:15
Speaker
Players never busted stuff. But yeah, no, I agree with you. Like the the Packers fan base for all the times that they try to stand on their, their tall box and say like, we're better than the other, you know, I do hate that grandstanding where it's like, we're, we're pure fans and we do it the right way. And we're, you know, there's so many bad fan bases out there and they don't handle success. Well, I'm like,
01:21:37
Speaker
no one's better than anyone else we all have our bad moments the majority of Packer fans though yeah they are they're welcoming they're they're gracious people one way or the other it's just that subsection that the the thing that by them being an asshole on social medium medium media makes them special or You know, then they wonder why why players don't want to interact with fans and then they wonder why, you know, the players quit social medias and or they they go private on social media so nobody can get a hold of them or like the Malik Willis today. Not that anybody I think was going after Malik, but he tweeted something and.
01:22:23
Speaker
and I looked at it and I said man that you know again very humble very you know whatever and you can't respond to it unless you're unless he follows you or allows you to respond right why is that because too many friggin idiots are out there that cause trouble for him probably from Tennessee when he was playing for Tennessee so he just shut it down well that sucks for everybody else that hey you know that was a down game, but you did the best that you could and, and all that. So this is my thing for the small amount of people that listened to us or happened to hear this or whatever.
01:23:00
Speaker
Don't let this, these games affect you that way. Yeah. Don't be that person to go out and, you know, again, Oh, Romeo needs to take a flying leap off a bridge and take rich Versace with them or, shit like that.
01:23:16
Speaker
better. better Just be human. Yeah. No, agree. Because that's all they are. They're human. Yeah. People make mistakes. I totally agree with you. And, you know, it's like you said, it's not everyone. A lot of, you know, there's definitely as you there's a lot more people who are like, don't Brandon Bostick die.
01:23:36
Speaker
And I say it all the time. Packers fan horrible to Bostick. and Most of them. I couldn't
Brandon Bostick: Player Profile and Fan Relations
01:23:44
Speaker
see the boss thing. It was a bad thing, but I personally gone to know the boss thing for a little bit.
01:23:51
Speaker
And I tell everyone, I say, look at how he still glowingly talks about that those two years he played in Green Bay and how he's still... like I know his profile picture is of him with the Jets, but he still is like... just Because he never changed it after he signed. Yeah, I think so. I i think so. but like his my My profile picture is of me and Micah Hyde from Micah's rookie year in Green Bay. But just look at how...
01:24:20
Speaker
you know We joked about how like color commentators who we their team and stuff, he still wees the Packers, and he still is like going down to Texas to root on our boys. going like he's still comes back to Green Bay now and again. i think he did an alumni tour a couple years ago.
01:24:38
Speaker
I'm so glad that he's gotten to the point in his life where he understands that it is unfortunately the loudest, but it is a small portion of the fan base, but they are loud and they just keep putting stupid shit out there and stuff. But then they're the same ones that are like, how come these players don't want to talk to fans or how come they don't want to sign autographs or how? And it's like, bro, like,
01:25:00
Speaker
I know that some of them, you know, like there's stuff about like Sterling being weird about it and all that kind of stuff. and some I'm going to tell a story about Brandon Bostick. So I got to know Brandon just a little bit. We didn't become like bosom buddies, whatever. But but it was that year prior to the the NFC championship game.
01:25:21
Speaker
You know, I would go to training camp. I'd take pictures and all that. And then I would try to get those. I would go print them out and get them signed and whatever. well brandon liked the pictures that i was taking goes hey can you send them to me so he literally and i have the thing around here somewhere where he gave me his actual email address and said here can you send them to me so i sent him pictures well a buddy of mine i'm not sure if he listens to the show or not but cameron cameron might actually remember this because it was so fucking funny but brandon and i were talking and we were doing some he you know signed a couple pictures for me and we were doing the exchange and all that stuff and
01:25:57
Speaker
That was the year that Eddie Lacy was drafted and it was his rookie year and he they had that Sports Illustrated of him that had just come out prior to training camp.
01:26:08
Speaker
Well, my buddy Cameron wanted to get it signed while Eddie just kind of bypassed him and Brandon looked at him and goes, hey, you want me to get that signed for you? And of course, well, you're not going to bypass that. So he grabbed the the Sports Illustrated, ran into the building, Eddie signed it and then he came back out and gave it back to my buddy Cameron. So that was just the type of person Brandon Bostic was. So when all that shit went down, i was I happy about the play? No, but I knew what type of person Brandon Bostic was, so I couldn't...
01:26:40
Speaker
Right. I couldn't be against him. Same with Romeo Dobbs. I know what kind of person Romeo is that I can't be down on him because he made a mistake. Right. and and And like, we won't, this is going to be our last point because we're going on an hour and a half. But yeah, like like I said, with Dobbs. And Mike's got a vacation to go to.
01:26:59
Speaker
yeah you i As I sit in the corner of my my in-law's house, our Marisol's dog is down here, Brunson. He's just chilling. He's like, are you done yet? But like, do from Dobbs' point of view, like I said, Dobbs had a great game.
01:27:14
Speaker
If you don't, if the onside kick never happens or if he recovers it, we're like, he caught the touchdown. He had a couple of nice passes from Jordan earlier in the game and he recovered that onside kick, sealed the victory, blah, blah, blah, that kind of stuff.
01:27:30
Speaker
Then on top of it, you know, all the stuff he went through last year off the field, you know, between whatever breakdown he had, you know, that got him suspended for a game and the the multiple concussions he suffered. And it's like,
01:27:43
Speaker
You know, like, it's the stuff we keep talking about. These guys are human. Like, just at some point, let them be. And with the Bostick one, I agree with you. Like, I was with you where theres there was a part of me that was like... Like, at that point, by that point, the Packers had made so many mistakes that I jokingly said, like...
01:28:02
Speaker
oh, come on, dude, you had to let the white guy get the ball because there's that picture of Jordy. And Jordy, you know, like I said, you can tell Jordy was coached up to go and get the ball because you can see it on the frame. Like, because someone did this thing where it's a frame by frame of that play unfolding.
01:28:19
Speaker
And you can see Jordy's face where he's like, I've got, you can see in his eyes, he's like, I have this in the bag. I'm going to go and I'm going to elevate, get this thing. And then when he sees Brandon's, I'm assuming the back of Brandon's helmet come into the vision You can see Jordy's jaw drop and he's like, you can see the like, oh no on his face kind of thing. And at the same time, what did I, what what was I just getting on Dobbs and the current special teams coaching staff? It's like,
01:28:47
Speaker
I could never be mad at Bostick. I get that his job is to block, but he was like, hey, I do. And you know some people like he had a hero. eyes I don't think that's what happened. I think in his mind, the ball is coming right to him. And he's like, I don't know where Jordy is. it This kick is probably short.
01:29:07
Speaker
So I've got to make this play because if I just let the ball go and it, Jordy's not there or worse, it kicks up into me and then it makes it easy for Seattle to, to recover it.
01:29:19
Speaker
Like I said, it's on that razor's edge of, if he converts it, we're lauding him. We're are celebrating him.
Fun Stats & Playoff Prospects
01:29:25
Speaker
Like I celebrated Eric Wilson for saving Nixon's ass in the 2023 divisional game. When he comes out of fricking nowhere to recover that fumbled kickoff, like,
01:29:36
Speaker
wilson is in nowhere on god's creation on the on the the video screen and he dives from off screen to recover that fumble and it's going to be the same kind of play where you're like oh my god thank you no thank goodness bostic took the initiative and was like i'm gonna make this play because my team needs me to fate just decided nope you're gonna become one of the all-time scapegoats for an all-time collapse and like i said To me, Jacobs fumbling in the third quarter on the goal line is a bigger problem the game.
01:30:12
Speaker
Yes, the the Dobbs muffed. was a second dominoes. Had he not fumbled, we probably wouldn't have been in the situation where we had to recover an onside kick. Like I said, there's probably not even time on the clock at that point because you, like – there's There's a whole thing or of different outcomes that happen where, like I said, you run off another two minutes, you score something there, or you know you you just run the two minutes off and you're stopped on the two-yard line kind of thing or whatever and stuff. But yeah, like that like you said, that's the the pebble in the pond that caused Dami in in a couple more quarters, but we won't keep beating the same horse. Oh, I got stories for days. yeah
01:31:00
Speaker
But we're in an hour and a half where we don't want to – me C.J. Wilson sometime. C.J. Wilson – okay, one quick one on C.J. from my point of view. C.J. Wilson was the ultimate victory cigar because there was a point in his career, and I think through like three of his years on the Packers, where if he got a sack in a game, we won that game.
01:31:22
Speaker
Like, go look at it. I see. Do not. There was a point through at least 2011 and I think into 2012. And because he only had like four sacks, but every one of those games he got a sack, the Packers won. He was like, it was the funniest, stupidest stat where the Packers were undefeated in games. CJ Wilson recorded a sack.
01:31:42
Speaker
That's my last one. Like I said, we're pushing an hour and a half. The 36 of you who listened to us, we don't watch you going, what the fuck are the two of them doing? But, just want to you know all of this and at the moment we're finishing recording the steelers have it go fourth and goal up 12 to 10 on the lions even if the lions win the packers are still tech they're still ahead of the lions by half a game because of the tie the packers are nine five and one the lions will be nine and six if they win so the packers are still the seventh seed and as stupid as it looks for the packers now you win your last two games
01:32:21
Speaker
You're in the playoffs. And yeah, you're probably going to Chicago, but Chicago's got two shitty games left on their schedule. And Detroit is probably going to be playing for their playoff lives going into week.
01:32:36
Speaker
even if Even if not... they're you know they're Campbell's not going to just roll over and die in week 18 and let the Bears have whatever.
Concerns About Upcoming Game Against Ravens
01:32:46
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so And really the the only the last two games for the Packers, the only one that worries me right now is the Ravens game. One, is Jordan going to be able to come back?
01:32:57
Speaker
And two, who knows what kind of Ravens team is going to show up. So because right now it's looking like McCarthy is going to be out for the the final week of the season because i think they said that he fractured a bone in his throwing hand.
01:33:13
Speaker
So it's They're probably going to throw out that Brosmer kid. yeah so yeah And so no one, Packers fans should be absolutely rooting for the Patriots tonight to beat the Ravens. So that pushes them to seven and eight. And i think if the Steelers win, they might, I don't know if the Ravens will be, no, they won't be quite eliminated. So no, unfortunately, no. But Who knows? We'll have to wait and see, but let's just get on out of here. Please check out the website. Support us there, ohanapackers.org. Check out the shop. Please support us with the merch there.
01:33:55
Speaker
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01:34:08
Speaker
And, you know... I've seen Joe reach out to Terrence Parsons Jr. today. But if you any of you are like hoping to write in, get thoughts, comments, whatever, write in to us. We'd love to address it. We'd love to you know back and forth with fans that way. But yeah, you know the last two weeks have been punches in each nut, but the Packers are... so picture sure as hopeless as it may seem at the moment. But I keep saying again. The reason that I haven't just totally like thrown my hands up and completely given up on this team is like the Rams just lost and lost in a stupid way to a Seahawks team that has kind of been scuffling on offense. Nobody, yeah, on Thursday night football, no one in this league wants to cement themselves as the team to beat. Yeah. And the Broncos are getting smoked at home right now. third way through the the fourth quarter, they're getting waxed by the Jaguars. So nothing is set in stone. All these teams have flaws.
01:35:17
Speaker
And... is we just need Jordan to get healthy, and I hope he can play this week. Who knows, though? Concussions are fickle. That one was a nasty one. Somebody put it on social, and and Michael ended after this, but the prophecy is in place because remember 2010, late in the season, Rodgers got concussed, went out of the
Comparisons with Past Seasons
01:35:41
Speaker
game. Flynn almost won that game against Pittsburgh.
01:35:46
Speaker
Then Rodgers made his way Yeah, yeah. And oh well, then it was, I think Rogers was out the next game because didn't Flynn play two games that season. But anyway, quarterback goes down, backup comes back in
01:36:05
Speaker
and And so, yeah, you know, we are in that prophecy. We are so far, everything's clicking. The big thing there is i just want to see them play good. Like, that's the thing is, like, they were playing good football those last two weeks going into the postseason.
01:36:24
Speaker
And you can't just sad trombone. far Even if you win both the games, you can't just reverse the beaten up Batmobile into the garage here. you have to You have to go in with the boosters on. But I'm going to save us before Joe sneezes right now. Yeah.
01:36:39
Speaker
Happy holidays. We hope that you all have a Merry Christmas. Like Joe has said repeatedly through this episode, don't let a football game affect your holiday season. There's still so much to be grateful for, so much to be happy for. Enjoy your time. Go Pack Go and Aloha. Hit the red button.