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Mile High Mess: Packers Face-Plant in Denver
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The Packers went to Denver and left with a full-on Mile High mess. 🏔️🧀
We break down the Packers’ loss to the Broncos, what went wrong on offense and defense, the moments that swung the game, and the decisions that left fans scratching their heads. Was this just an ugly game in a tough environment, or a sign of bigger problems? We cover the good, the bad, and the downright frustrating.
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Transcript
Enthusiasm for the Green Bay Packers
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Here to stay cheeseheads green and gold all day Jordan lovely dust to the baby every game we find a way Green Bay hustle grind it up hit the field we don't love Touchdown dances feel the love Jordan's got that MVP stuff.
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It's time for oh let's go Packers bringing that show It's for all you know, green and gold gonna glow Lambeau Field, our sacred ground Feel the vibe, hear the sound Packers fans so loud and proud Jordan Love, he's wearing the crown Lambeau Field, our sacred ground Feel the vibe, hear the sound Packers fans so loud and proud Jordan Love, he's wearing the crown
00:00:55
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Aloha and welcome into a really sobering episode of the Ohana Packers edition post game show.
Packers vs Broncos: Key Takeaways
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The Packers come off ah dropping a 34 26 loss to the Broncos in Denver.
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Speaker
But it's not really the score of the game or the outcome that is um in the crosshairs for us tonight. It's what the Packers lost along the way. With it looking like Micah Parsons blew out his knee, Christian Watson with an undiagnosed at the moment chest injury, and Zach Tom and Evan Williams suffering what LeFleur stated were more short-term knee injuries. But this one was a costly loss for the Packers outside of whatever it does to their playoff seeding. The Packers are...
00:01:40
Speaker
back out of first place in the NFC North. They're down to seventh in the conference standings due to having the tie and all that kind of stuff. And I mean, you go from up nine, having just scored a pretty electric Josh Jacobs rushing touchdown and forced Denver three and out to open the second half.
00:02:00
Speaker
And right after that, it's just a Hail Mary of that just a bunch of haymakers and dick punches for Packers, male Packers fans, at least um punches to the ovaries for female Packers fans. But I mean, that was, you know, I've seen people try to compare it to other games.
00:02:22
Speaker
I think the way I look at it as the 2014 championship game, that one really sucked because, you know, obviously chance to the Super Bowl, that kind of stuff. But this one, some of these injuries that they suffered, you don't know what it does for some of these guys' careers moving forward. I know we were talking about it a little before we came on, but just the absolute unknown that it puts the team in for both the short term, you know, whatever is left of this season and the potential long term.
00:02:49
Speaker
It's just a different kind of salty and frustrated and dour for Packers fans than just if they had only lost.
Game Imbalance and Struggles
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Speaker
But I'll wallow as this episode goes along. But Joe, what are your thoughts coming out of this one?
00:03:08
Speaker
Well, I'm definitely not as Debbie Downer as you are right now. I mean, it was bad, and and the initial reports of injuries right now are bad, but like we were kind of talking before we started recording, I i felt something was going to be off from the beginning.
00:03:28
Speaker
it just There was something about the way things were going that it just it didn't seem like this game was going to go into the Packers' favor at all, and i don't know if it was just – i I don't know. I can't explain it. Just it seemed off. I even had a hard time really getting into the game.
00:03:49
Speaker
And I don't know. ah Just it was crazy. But it was one of those that was basically going to be a coin flip on who is going to win it. We talked about it in the preview that this this team, this Broncos team.
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is a better version of the bears and they pretty much showed it that their defense is pretty legit. The, the offense while may not have the weapons of other teams still has enough that they can get the job done and,
00:04:29
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the The weak link of the Packers defense showed out even before the injuries. the The secondary, they just – I don't know what was going on with that secondary that, yeah, it it was not great.
00:04:45
Speaker
Yeah, Poe Melton did not have a good game. Right now I'm struggling and off the top of my head trying to figure out who actually did have good games. So – oh Yeah, we we can just go ahead and jump into it if you want.
00:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, sure. Mmm, cheese.
00:05:05
Speaker
Yeah, guess it's going to be like individual plays. You know, the first half was a lot of good. You saw them move the ball on what has been a very good Broncos defense. um Jordan looked like he was on fire and just like really locked in for the beginning. Yeah.
00:05:23
Speaker
You know, we'll get into a little bit of how those drives ended. But, you know, you did have the love touch pass to ah like just a primo throw to Jacobs in the corner of the end zone. And then you have Jacobs rumbling for a 40 yard touchdown where it looked like the Packers had gained like full control of the game at that point.
00:05:40
Speaker
And after that, yeah, it just felt like the wheels just, you know, and some people are going to say like it can't excuse and stuff. But when you see certain guys go down with injuries on the field,
00:05:54
Speaker
when people say like it shouldn't change how you feel about a game like i'm sorry i i don't like to play that it shows you haven't played a sport but if you don't think that those kind of things swing the momentum of or or feel of a game for a team in a team sport like you just have no idea of how like you know it i'm big jokes about how the brotherhood of the nfl is dumb and it's a lie because of how players treat each other you know we'll talk about one of those things um and how i do agree with you that it did turn the game um at least functions of it and partially um you know more boom ball by fucking sean payton and his overrated ass but um
00:06:37
Speaker
There were, like I said, it's hard to talk about it in the end result, but there were really some really good things they put on film to open this game. And then, um you know, kept off with Matthew Golden having a solid day at the office. And yeah, like True North is saying, you know, Jordan...
00:06:53
Speaker
never took his eye off the prize and kept gunning for it. And, you know, you have ah throw that's slightly off ah to Wicks over the middle, but, you know, he's getting pressure in his face and it's a ball that Wicks has to come up with. You can't tip it to a DB in that situation.
00:07:09
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um It's just really unfortunate, you know, that like basically the worst, and I'm not even talking about the injuries, the worst,
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luck outcomes for ah on a play-to-play basis the Packers got him the whole second half of this game and honestly kind of in the first half of this game but you know they're gonna everyone's gonna look at the final stat line and say Jordan sucked but realistically it was uh you know he was having a really good game and you know he missed a couple of throws by less than a foot and The game of inches, you know you hear that adage over and over again. And that's, you know, games like this are proof of that pudding.
00:07:53
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Yeah, I mean, Jordan kept pushing and everything, but he did seem a little bit off.
Player Performances and Missed Opportunities
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ah But who knows if that was the pressure, if that was that we both weren't really overly excited for this game just because i don't think anybody likes to go into Mile High Stadium just because of the way, you know, the altitude and the the shit like that.
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oh But yeah, Josh Jacobs really, really did look good for a guy who was on a snap count. They did say that during the broadcast that they were going to keep him on a snap count because they weren't happy with how his knee was going.
00:08:36
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um And he made the most of it. ah What was his final? I think he had 73 rushing yards along a 40, and then he added another...
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ah ah
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19 through the air, including the touchdown. So got to give it to him. Jordan, I don't know. This was a meh game for me when it comes to Jordan. Yeah, he had he had some good spots, but then again, he had some not so good spots. So it's not enough to call him, to say it was a stale or a moldy, but it's also, I don't, I think it's one of them outliers that if we had like a fourth,
00:09:20
Speaker
uh uh category it would be between fresh and and stale and this is where this one would his performance slid into because like i said i don't think it was overly enough to be fresh he had some solid throws he had some solid uh decisions and stuff like that, but he also had some kind of knuckleheaded decisions too. But got to give mine to Golden just because with him coming back from being out for a couple of games and them still not using him to his capacity, he made the most of what he at what his decisions or what little bit he did get.
00:10:09
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ah three catches on four targets for 55 yards. Him and Jaden Reed tied for ah top yardages but for the team. Golden had a long of 27, still is looking for that elusive touchdown.
00:10:25
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But the one thing that really bugged me, and I guess we could talk about this in the stale or moldy part of it, but when Watson went down with his injury, Romo was like, well, that that means the Broncos can play more man because now the Packers have no speed on the team.
00:10:42
Speaker
What? No speed on the team? Reed may not be what you consider an absolute burner, but he's got decent speed. golden I think Golden's 40 was faster than Watson's, wasn't it? Watson was like a 4.3 and Golden was a 4.29.
00:11:01
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So yeah, yeah, no, I get that. They're two different body types or whatever, but that doesn't mean the speed's not there and golden is a little bit a better route runner than, than Watson. So it wasn't one of those that you can just say, well, that's it for them. Now the Broncos can have their way with them because now they have nothing on the field.
00:11:25
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So, but I got to give it to golden. ah this is another one kind of like, uh, what I was just saying about Jordan loves Musgrave was good for better than what he has been, but there were some issues there with him too, where he at least stayed on his feet for the most part. And even on the one catch where he didn't stay on his feet, he used his brain and started rolling until they touched him down. So I got to give it to him on that one. Um,
00:11:58
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you know That kind of goes back to what Mike said during the preview that this could be a game that Musgraves could really shine out on if they used him properly. And he was kind of doing that, but they weren't really putting him in a position to bust out like Mike was saying during the preview.
00:12:16
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Yeah, yeah like you like that's that's what I go back to. I'm not here to say like Jordan had a good game or anything. It was more like there were moments that were really great and stuff. But like I said, how it's going to feel for most of these guys, it's really hard to say that anyone had a great game today.
00:12:33
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um You know, Kuei had some moments. If we had a different category between fresh and stale, is where they're going. It's all the honorable mentions. Yeah.
00:12:44
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So, yeah. um You know, Edge made some plays. Quay made a few plays that mattered. Like True North says, x Xavier McKinney made some, but had he come up with the interceptions, you know, this game could have probably been a little bit different.
00:13:01
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Oh yeah, like, we'll we'll get into that when we get there. I'm, yeah, I'm just gonna gif-wrap all of those together, but, um, just, like i said, I, it it's a bummer. Okay, and one of them that I do have to say is, like, I know some people are gonna roll their eyes at it, but, like, LeFleur wanted to keep his foot down on the pedal this game, and, like,
00:13:26
Speaker
You can't say that he didn't try to, like, got the double up going in and out of halftime, was still pushing the ball down the field after they stopped the the Broncos on third a three and out to open the second half.
00:13:42
Speaker
And sometimes life just gives you shit back. And um unfortunately, that's what I've got. One of my favorite movies, is Drowning Mona,
00:13:54
Speaker
Life handed me shit. What am I supposed to make out of it? Shit salad?
00:14:00
Speaker
Yep. So it it we don't have to waste any more time here. I feel like, you know, we we're not going to, you know, it's we're not going to polish the turds any nicer than this one. So, yeah, it's...
00:14:16
Speaker
Well, like I said, it there were some spots. It's just right now doing a post game is so hard because as you can tell, Mike is like it so melancholy that I'm having to message Marisol to put him on some kind of watch.
00:14:34
Speaker
Um, so, but it's hard to point them out when you lose something like that. And I was going to get to this one true, but I, if anybody's listened to us long enough, we hate giving this guy any kind of props.
00:14:47
Speaker
So, you know, McManus at least did his job and made the kicks that he needed to, to keep the Packers at least in the game.
00:14:57
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But yeah, we can go ahead and bounce onto the stale. Cause i have a feeling Mike's going to have a lot of them.
00:15:04
Speaker
Uh, this one. What's this deal, shit? Yeah, like the one that I'll put here is, um, just the defense not coming up with interceptions. Like...
00:15:18
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it's At least in McKinney's ones, like he was ranging for plays that... like I know he had the one on the sideline that it kind of looked like maybe he had a shot at it, but I thought that one was a lot lower than people thought. But then you know the one where he ranges over from center field and um catches up to that ball that's intended for Mims, and it's like, yeah, like obviously...
00:15:41
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Knowing, and that's the thing is like, I joked on Twitter is like, usually, you know, the adage is if you drop an interception, you give up a touchdown. And I was like, I think all Packers fans would have been fine with that exchange if it didn't also lead to um the play that Parsons blew his knee out on. And there's a lot of stupid shit going up on Twitter right now.
00:16:02
Speaker
Xavier McKinney did not cause Micah Parsons to blow his knee out. um You know, I don't even want to, like, and I know that there's a lot more level-headed Packers fans who are just doing the more, like, if he gets that interception, um you know, the the injury doesn't happen and stuff. I don't even want to go there because it's just going to attract all of the shit, all the flies to the shitstorm.
00:16:26
Speaker
But... It really does just suck that, you know, more importantly, they could have taken points off the board. The ones that hurt are like um Valentine not getting the pick towards the end of the game.
00:16:40
Speaker
The one where the ball pops up between McDuffie and Cooper and neither of them goes for it. um That one was an absolute bummer. And... okay look what is like kind of yeah To kind of break in here, i was doing a real quick Twitter search. Now, I don't know how reliable all this is, but they are saying that Watson left the a stadium in an ambulance. So it's probably a collapsed home.
00:17:05
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Yeah. And it it makes sense when you see that they listed him with a chest and not a shoulder injury. It's more the... Part of the collarbone that goes towards the sternum and all that kind of stuff. And so there's concern of like collapsed lung and all that kind of shit. So yeah, it's... It really does suck. um yeah, like...
00:17:26
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and And like the one that's lower than the McKinney ones is Lucas at the end, like towards the goal line where it's like, oh, like that just shows like the turnover gods are really like, nah, because like he had that play where he or McKinney forces the ball out of. um Sutlin's hands and like Lucas, if he like is looking in the right direction, like and it's not Lucas's fault. This is I'm not at all. color He's looking, expecting the ball on one side and it happens to bounce on his it like he's looking left. yeah But it happens to bounce on his right kind of thing. And it's like.
00:18:02
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It's the more the like if he was looking the the right way, he had a chance at it. But by the time he sees it, it's like, oh, oh my God, kind of thing and stuff. And it was just one of those kind of days for the Packers defense. And they just couldn't get that turn. And, you know, like the way this game started, you're like, maybe it's turning because Micah forces a fumble on the Broncos opening drive and all that stuff, man.
00:18:25
Speaker
it just the opportunities were there and they just couldn't take advantage of them and it just really does suck on a game like today like i said not even on the injury side just the you could have taken a couple touchdowns off the board from the broncos and like put your team there should have been several of them like you said there should have been several of them uh carrington read the ball well on like three different plays one he made the tackle one he missed the tackle And the third, I mean, they were all ones that he was able to jump and he probably could have intercepted them. But instead of playing the ball, he was worried about the receiver getting, you know, getting behind him. And those were three possible interceptions. Like you said, the McKinney ones, I don't know. That sideline one was a little bit weird. it looked Yeah, that one was more of like, a him yeah, that one was more like, oh, I'm surprised he had a shot at it kind of thing. Then like, a oh he dropped it. The...
00:19:21
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the The deep one was the one that he should have nabbed. Yeah. And like last year, he like nabs it with one hand because he was just having one of those kind of seasons and stuff. Like my initial reaction was like, oh, thank God he got there kind of thing. And then when you see the reverse angle, you're like, oh, damn, like should have had it kind of thing and stuff. So.
00:19:40
Speaker
And then you had Romo and Nance. Oh, well, he he baited Nick's into doing that. It's like, did he really bait Nick's into that was he just ranging? I'm pretty sure someone else busted a coverage and it's like, had to bail out the whole defense for a moment kind of thing. But um And that's to go back to what True North said. Can I give Xavier both fresh and stinky? That's kind of what we're talking about. He played well, but he didn't play well enough that it changed the game any. So... That's honestly that's honestly the Packers in a microcosm for today's game. is like
00:20:18
Speaker
Overall, it was a decent to good game, but it just wasn't enough. Like, you... We'll go in. um um I've got it all ready for the moldy part, but like it's all on the margins that you just let go of the rope on this one. And it it costs you. It costs you a lot. It costs you more than just in the win loss column. But yeah. What did you have anything for stale
Impact of Injuries on Packers' Future
00:20:40
Speaker
or is everything kind of sliding more over to mold you this week?
00:20:44
Speaker
You know, I will be honest with you, Mike, and anybody who's watching and listening or will. ah I don't have them broke down. I said so true north. true um I don't have them broke down to anything because.
00:21:00
Speaker
That was just the way it felt today. There's no because on one like well, like we've been saying with the McKinney and the love and the stuff like that. On one hand, if this was a win, we'd be talking about how well they did.
00:21:15
Speaker
But now that it was a loss, it's well, they didn't do enough. so yeah it's hard to break them down into categories i still want to hit my buttons though because i like listening to my my ai created voiceover shit but um i don't i don't know it's i mean most of it's probably going to end up as moldy now that i'm thinking about it but
00:21:41
Speaker
I've already talked about a lot of them. you know Carrington probably could have made some plays on stuff that he didn't make plays on. Showed his weakness, which is tackling. you know He's not a tackler. he's a he's a He plays the ball and he's good in coverage, but he's not going to tackle anything. Rashawn.
00:22:01
Speaker
rahan was getting pressures even though it wasn't converting to anything yeah and and he made a couple of decent plays in the run game but overall it was a eh so yeah we we can jump on this this is looking like it's going to be a short show to yeah Yeah, like you said, like like the Rashad, it's unfortunate. You know, he gets a good pressure on the fourth down the first fourth down stop that ends up with the Cooper pass breakup and stuff.
00:22:36
Speaker
The drive out at halftime for Denver. that honestly kind of was Rashawn's three and out because he um forces the throwaway on first down, gets a um the tackle, the quick tackle on Harvey on second down, and then he gets the initial rush on Nix and then Parsons is the one who like escorts him to the sideline kind of thing.
00:22:56
Speaker
And then, you know, we'll we'll just have to see like yeah There's going to be a lot of doom and gloom for obvious reasons, um but we'll just have to see. Can I put this in the stale that now with ah with the unsure of what's going on with Micah's knee and the unsure what's going on with Christian's chest, that this is the way that this is the way that they're going to get Colin Oliver and Britton Cox onto the roster? Can that be like a stale slash? Yeah.
00:23:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to hit the button and we're going to jump into that.
00:23:37
Speaker
It's a moldy cheese. ah Okay, so... I'll start off with this. We've kind of hinted at it. So... It's Sean Payton's team being a bunch of goombas, as usual, with that shit that started pregame where, okay, i will this is going to roll a bunch of different things in.
00:24:00
Speaker
I do have a problem with how that was handled. the refs, why are you letting the Broncos hang around on Green Bay's sideline during the the the rollout when the team runs out onto the field? Like, that whole thing where, like, one of those, you know, that kerfuffle, when you saw it happen and I was like, I'm pretty sure that's the Packers' sideline.
00:24:20
Speaker
And then you can see that all the Packers' coaches are there, and I'm like, Okay, what the fuck happened? And then when you see the Easton Butler posted it where the Packers are running out onto the field and then some Broncos player takes a cheap cheap shot shove into the... As the Packers are running out kind of thing. i was like, yeah, that's a fucking Sean Payton team. Like, so fuck you, Sean Payton, for like...
00:24:45
Speaker
um just endorsing this kind of bullshit behavior fuck you to the nfl refs for not knowing what the fuck they're doing out there like i get it they're not like campus security or anything like that but it's like why are you letting them hang around the other team's sideline in and you know their their fans or other fans are gonna say like they're allowed to be out there for warm i'm like they're like literally on green bay's sideline like like And it's green like I said, as Green Bay is running onto the field, they have two guys who are standing on either side of like how they're running out onto the field. It's like, what the fuck are you even doing there?
00:25:21
Speaker
And then on the Packers side of But kind of play devil's advocate on that, isn't that what Ed Reed and Ray Lewis used to do too? Yeah, but it's a different era. you know and you People will like roll their eyes at that, but it's like... it it is. like There's so many different rules now, and like this goes into the refs.
00:25:41
Speaker
It's like you have the game on 4K with multiple angles, and you're trying to get more and more behind-the-scenes looks and stuff. It's like... Oh, like, we don't want certain things in our game, blah, blah, blah. Like, how are we going to police it? And it's like, and you guys fucked it up as usual kind of thing.
00:25:59
Speaker
But from the Packers' point of view, the spotlight kind of falls on Kingsley and Igbari. Like... Kingsley, you obviously let what happened pregame affect you during this game. You have three absolute bonehead dumbass penalties throughout the course of this game. The last running offside one is like really far into the same, but it still cost the team seven or four points because you couldn't count to 11 and came running on for no reason late. But the first two penalties are just stupid, stupid penalty. You you hit the punter for no reason.
00:26:37
Speaker
And then you have one where you're like, I have to give him a little bit of break on that. He hit him, but that was a hell of a, that was an Oscar worthy flop. Oh yeah. Like, but it's again, one of those, like you have to have a cooler head on your shoulders kind of thing. I know, but that, I know, I know where I i do agree. like I do agree. If it it was again, craptastic referee job by the refs, but,
00:27:02
Speaker
like just And then like Nixon came out hot. you could like All the guys that like have to have a better head on their shoulder. These aren't even the youngest team in the league and stuff.
00:27:14
Speaker
These guys getting these penalties, they're not even the young guys. like It's not even like a a rookie Kway Walker kind of thing. These are like vested veterans who are like looking for their next free agent contract and stuff, and you're getting called for stupid penalties and all. And it's like...
00:27:31
Speaker
I don't know how much that the pregame shit got in their heads and stuff like that, but it's kind of like the Broncos won. Like they, you, they, it worked for them kind of thing is like, and, and like you kind of noted Joe earlier is like, there was a weird feeling to how this game started off and the Packers just couldn't get all the details right early in this game. And it wasn't just a matter of crowd noise.
00:27:57
Speaker
Um, ah This is a Packers show. There's more than enough shit to talk about here at True North. yeah yeah But um what's it called? like Like you said, there was just this weird feeling about how like they were just a tad off and like how much of that was getting you know taken down into the grime by like the the the Broncos pregame antics or whatever.
00:28:22
Speaker
But yeah, like they just couldn't. get into A-game territory. Like, they just were, like, kind of at a B, B+, plus and then once Watson's injury and the rest of it all started to, like, fall off the table, they just sank into an F category. But, like, it's just...
00:28:39
Speaker
it It's just really unfortunate to see that from a team at this point. is like Like I said, I get when the injuries start to mount that, like, yeah, you're going to lose focus. But to lose focus because of pregame dumb shit, like, you can't let that cloud your... You can't be seeing red going into the game. You still have to... have your eye on the prize and focus up and stuff. Like you can't fall for the knucklehead bullshit and also become dumbasses. So that was disappointing to see. But like I said, there was a lack of control from all parties involved.
00:29:13
Speaker
The Broncos, I'm not at all surprised that ah that i've Sean Payton teen resorted to goonball. I'm disappointed in the Packers for kind of like appearing to fall for it.
00:29:24
Speaker
But the refs like you have the the early Jordan Love scramble where Hufungo, who is truly one of the dirtiest pieces of shit in the league, shoves his head into the ground after the tackle out of bounds and you get nothing. The refs then like can't spot a football to save their fucking life in New York City. I have... No fucking clue what those guys... Like, if you told me they're playing COD in there instead of watching the games, I would totally believe you because on the Packers' first two... drive Or on the first drive, the Packers get screwed out of first down spots that, one, they end up converting on fourth down, and the second one, you know, they call the toss play that gets blown up. But it's like, if you just properly spotted the fucking football, like, in both instances, like, yeah, and stuff, so... But I also have to throw in there, it wasn't just the Packers that it got screwed. If you saw the highlight or whatever out with the Lions-Rams one, gave the a frigging touchdown and and the guy's knee was down at like the two-yard line.
00:30:27
Speaker
but like, it it's it's just it like... It's going to be a short show because I can only say it's one of those games so many different ways kind of thing. But like it it is a lot of the same stuff that we've brought up as concerns where it's kind of like, okay, is that going to bite them in the ass kind of thing? And you know all those things like propping up today, it it is in the moldy for me. So, yeah. what's What's on top your... I know you said you kind of didn't have a broken out necessarily, but...
00:30:59
Speaker
What's the top of your mind for this category? This one works. The winter whiteout uniforms can officially get thrown into the garbage. um We've already talked about the refs, the CBs I can mention again, you know that was the weakness coming in, that's the weakness going out. They they really didn't do much. Special teams was a shit show today.
00:31:21
Speaker
ah between the penalties and and the weird ass decisions that the the Emmanuel Wilson was made on that one kickoff.
00:31:34
Speaker
ah Yeah, that was another one. i still have no idea how Rich Bisaccia is going to be able to justify his job for the next year. ah Other than Matt LaFleur doesn't like to get rid of people.
00:31:51
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um
00:31:53
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I can't say the fans because I avoided social media for the most part of this game. So I can't really say that, although now that i the game's over and I've been kind of looking at some things, I have some question marks that way.
00:32:09
Speaker
at certain things people are saying. And one said that this is going to hurt the franchise for the foreseeable future, the what the Parsons injury. It's like, my guy let's calm down on the doom and gloom on that. Yeah, it's an injury. But we've also seen a lot of our guys, you know, kind of like Christian Watson, Rashawn Gary, guys like that come back from the injury with no issues.
00:32:37
Speaker
relatively quick so let's just see what the injury is before we have any uh you know we we put the guy in the coffin uh let's see what else do we got matt lafleur's uh uh patented throwing the red flag when it didn't seem like he needed to be throwing the challenge flag on that one fork down conversion. it was obvious it was a catch and, and um there should have been no reason to challenge that one. I mean, it it would have made sense had he looked like he was like bobbling the ball, but he had it pretty, pretty firmly,
00:33:23
Speaker
um It was a more clear version of the Wicks touchdown from Detroit. Like, yeah it was less questionable than that. We already kind of talked about the 12 men on the defense. um truen nor But I want to touch on that. It was a little bit weird because Nance said something about it looked like Denver was substituting a guy.
00:33:43
Speaker
So wouldn't that have stopped the play because they have to give the defense a chance to substitute their own? It does, but when they kind of replayed back, my thing there is, like, Denver wasn't running anyone on or off. It didn't look like they had for a while kind of thing. And just don't understand what Kingsley's doing there. Like, to me, always understand. Yeah, I know. That one is bad. We talked about that already. Yeah, we already talked about that one. Yeah. But, like, my point is, like,
00:34:19
Speaker
It's never excusable, but I understand more when it's like a linebacker or a DB who gets caught for the not knowing for the 12th man kind of thing. For a D lineman, it's like, no. Like...
00:34:31
Speaker
Unless he was getting cold. Who knows? yeah Maybe that's what Basaccia's job is to count people. And we know Basaccia can't count to save his life. Yeah, who knows? It's just a dumb, dumb penalty. And you had that play stopped. And unfortunately, it doesn't count. I this that I've been shit-talking Basaccia for a while. But I probably wouldn't say it his face because he'd probably kneecap me. So, yeah. That would be the polite thing if he kneecapped you.
00:34:57
Speaker
Yeah. try to do worse but man like i will bite his ankle if i go down i will but um what's it like yeah just ah it's uh
00:35:17
Speaker
Emmanuel Wilson, I'm going to throw him out as as a moldy, and not just because of that goof-ass kickoff he did, but he was even struggling in the run game. For a guy was supposed to pick up because ah Jacobs was on a snap count, he really struggled. He was running into the back of his own guys. He wasn't reading much. Yeah.
00:35:44
Speaker
I don't know, that was really weird. Yeah, we kind of touched on this a little bit. ah I'm getting sick of this talk because one guy is 277 listed and ran a 469 at the Combine. So yeah, it's green on his RAS card, but he's 277. the other guy ran at Like, that talk is some of the stupidest shit. Like, yes, um sometimes Rashawn kind of does that thing where he's like, I'm not going to catch him. I'm just going
Fan Reactions and Criticisms
00:36:13
Speaker
to pull up. And, like, it doesn't look good. But also at the same time, like, I don't need any Packer pulling a hamstring when it's, like, a practice in, like, um a practice in, you know, like, just insanity and stuff. But, like, the people that are like, oh, my God, Micah. it's not like he lapped him from the other side of the field. They kind of were standing next to each other. And I would be more concerned if Rashawn outran Parsons kind of thing. So, like, that talk is so stupid to me. And that's not even the Michigan fan in me talking. like ah if Like, if it was Lucas in that position, you know, people are like, he should be... ah it was the same thing with, like, against Caleb Williams last week. I'm like, the only guy on this defensive line who's going to catch Caleb Williams is Parsons.
00:37:00
Speaker
That's it. Like, we can stop the discussion there. All the talk about like, oh my god. And I'm like, you guys are just, just say you don't like him. Just, just say it and stop trying to be like, oh, like, yes, we wanted him to play better for so long and he finally is. Like, just fucking say you hate Rashawn at this point. Like, don't, don't lie to yourselves or to me anymore kind of thing. Like, I am getting sick of that. It's like, And we all knew his game wasn't about speed. It's supposed And that's why Mike and I have railed on him for the last couple of seasons. It was because he kept trying to use speed to win his, his one-on-ones, but he's not a speed guy. He wins by strength and he's not using his strength. He's trying to use a speed. So yeah, I agree with Mike, even though it pains me because I was never the highest on Rashawn when he was drafted, but you know,
00:37:53
Speaker
i forgot to put lucas you know what this game is so shitty that and even without even if they had won i would have put i thought lucas had some really good reps out there he was moving a lot better you could tell he was on a super limited snap count today but thought he was moving around really well out there you know they were he was playing both forward in terms of rushing the passer and in reverse dropping into coverage i i really liked what we saw out of him out there and i hope that he can just stay healthy and keep moving forward kind of thing um mike is officially baiting me into saying something nice about rashawn since he's talking about my boy luke i don't care like like i said at this point the whole my whole thing with rashawn is like i've seen so many people be like i can't wait till we cut him next year yeah have fun with that in this off season if i'm if we get the news we're expected to about um parsons which so i'm i'm just giving you shit i oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but i'm just saying like people can i think what they think don't him gone unless halfley is gone and they bring in a new coordinator that says i can't do anything with him and
00:39:04
Speaker
You know, you might as well just cut bait and trade him for whatever you can get out of. Yeah, that's the only way I can see him gone. Justice kind of brought it up on one of Herman's episodes this week. He's he's like, what are you going to do with all that money? Like, yeah, you need it for some extensions and stuff like that. But it's like all the fans who are saying like, cut him, cut him, cut him and stuff. It's like, what are you going to do? Pay a Nagbari to be not as good? Like, that's the thing is it's like,
00:39:31
Speaker
Inangburi has had some really nice plays, but also like you can't be a guy who's like, okay, he's had some nice effort plays and then you have three bonehead dumbass penalties today kind of thing. um You don't have anything nearing the third down tackle from last week kind of thing and stuff.
00:39:48
Speaker
And Doug Berry is, to quote Dennis Green, he is what we thought he was. He he was a fifth-round pick for a reason. He's not super athletic. He's a blue-collar type of guy that's going to make a splash play here or there. He's not going to be a number one guy in a defense.
00:40:07
Speaker
If Micah is out for a good portion of next season, depending on what comes back on his knee, Are you really going to trust him to go out there and be a number one if you happen to get rid of Rashawn also?
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah. um Some other spot ones. McDuffie, what the fuck were you doing on that touchdown? Like, it it just sucks because it's like he sees it. You can tell he sees it. He drops into coverage.
00:40:35
Speaker
And then, like, when Franklin breaks to the post, he just stops running. And it's like, why? why? Why did you stop? and But he did make that good play on the one of them with ah Carrington, where Carrington whiffed and McDuffie closed. So that's why I said this game is so hard to put into categories because on what you know for every bad play somebody made, there's a good play on the opposite side of it. And they just didn't do enough...
00:41:06
Speaker
to get the win. They let the Broncos hang in there enough that the Broncos were able to take advantage of some weak stuff and some failed injury or some injuries that there was nothing the Packers could do about it.
00:41:22
Speaker
Yep. the The one player who did not have many positives is Rashid Walker. This was a yeah, just an awful, awful game from Walker. And honestly,
00:41:34
Speaker
I don't know if you can do it in Chicago next week. You only got one home game. But at some point, I do think you got to put Morgan out there. Like, four penalties. Only like one of and only three of them accepted because the the Broncos were like, they're already in third and 15, so fuck it kind of thing. But, like, ah Walker just got absolutely dog-walked at so many points during this game. And...
00:42:00
Speaker
Like, his best play is that he was starting to get beat inside by Bonito, and he just washed him that way, and that was the the Jordan Love 24-yard rush ah when they were up 23-21. But yeah, like...
00:42:13
Speaker
but yeah like I just don't know what you're realistically getting out of Walker at this point that you shouldn't just give Morgan a couple snaps out there kind of thing. like I've said it for a while. if If that's what the plan is going forward is why ah is Morgan is going to be your your left tackle of the future, you might as well just be throwing him out there.
00:42:35
Speaker
yeah They finally did it with Belton. They finally are doing what they've got to do. Now it's going to be a little bit even rougher if if Zach Tom is out for an extended period of time because that's going to change up your your offensive line again. You know, Kennard held up for the most part, but are you going to trust him going forward?
00:43:00
Speaker
You know, it... yeah so I think Kennard's going to start at right tackle. I don't think Morgan's a right tackle. And the the one thing you wonder is, does Morgan become the sixth offensive lineman now? Because that has been a kind of important part of their playbook the last month is getting that sixth alignment out there.
00:43:20
Speaker
um But we'll see. You know, it's... Hard to say, but, you know. Honestly, I would throw Monk as that sixth thought offensive lineman. He might as well.
00:43:31
Speaker
You're not using him for anything else except for the backup center. Yeah. so And that would show you to that would show you if he can actually block us, anybody.
00:43:43
Speaker
All things that remain to be seen, but, you know, instead of us just spiraling into nowhere, i think we can kind of just put a bull on this episode unless you had any other thoughts about this one. No, this week's injury report is going to be interesting because Wiley went out and then, of course, Micah and Watson. And then one of the late ones was Evan Williams went out with something that was he was questionable for the rest of the game.
00:44:07
Speaker
ah They said Jaden Reed was kind of hobbling around a little bit. out Yeah, his foot got caught in the turf on that last catch he tried to make. So... So he had surgery on that's going to be interesting going forward.
00:44:21
Speaker
Rich was at right tackle. I know i know he doesn't watch film. So no, no. Yeah. um What other ones there was what we had Zach, Tom, Christian, Micah, Evan, Wiley.
00:44:40
Speaker
it Quake went back in the game. Hobbs. Oh yeah, guess Hobbs. Yeah, Hobbs went down. ah i think Bullard went down. I don't know if Bullard went back in um but he was kind of hobbling. So this injury report is going to be very interesting going into when we record for Thursday's episode.
00:45:06
Speaker
Yeah, we'll just have to see. And thoughts and prayers are your type of thing, then put them up for those guys. But yeah, like, you know, we're down, we're hurting right now, but the team doesn't have a lot of time. It's a short week. You've got to turn around quick and get ready for Chicago. And no one's going to on the full side.
Upcoming Game Against Chicago
00:45:26
Speaker
And on top that, they're going have to come up with another running back because they wasted Pierre Strong last elevation this game.
00:45:35
Speaker
Yep. So, um yeah, we'll have to see. um But hey, that's how it goes to the Packers. And LeFleur said it in his postgame presser. No one's going to feel sorry for you. And, um you know, I know a lot of people, you know, realistically, the Super Bowl is shot, but still,
00:45:58
Speaker
Which of these teams look special? like like that's the That is the thing that I keep coming back to and why it is such a dick punch this season is because none of these teams look special and you did have some superpower. you know Parsons was a superpower.
00:46:12
Speaker
Watson Speed is a superpower. And at the same time, if Jordan can play MVP level for like seven games, that's more than enough.
00:46:24
Speaker
So Drew North, fuck it. Let's go there. um Might as well. We did it with Ty Montgomery. And this is Bears week, so that's when Ty Montgomery first played as a running back. In Chicago.
00:46:37
Speaker
Yep. Had the big game in Chicago. But you know what? Like, you just got to figure it out at this point. um No, I don't think like if, okay, I guess it does depend how it looks kind of thing. But if you just don't, you know, you you just come up a little short every week. No, I'm not going to necessarily be like fire LaFleur territory. and So if you just go like get dog walked every week, then it's like you can't do that either. But um the one thing I will say is if these injuries are all long term, Micah, Watson and all that,
00:47:14
Speaker
I could see this being a sly way of LaFleur not being on the hot seat for the rest of this season. And the next season will be his hot seat. But if they came out of this fully healthy and nobody was injured, then I could see his seat getting a little bit warmer. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like I said, you can't get... No matter who he is injured, unless it was Jordan, you can't get dog-walked, like, in these last three games. But... Well, especially not Week 18. Like, you should win that game no matter what.
00:47:43
Speaker
But um the road gets tougher, but hey, like... what you guys all get paid millions of dollars for and the Packers are going to have to suck it up and just p it was the Green Bay's week for shit luck with injuries and not wishing for anyone else to get hurt but like someone else could step in a divot next week so you got to play the games out and hey like I know everyone's going say like okay so if they win the North so it you still don't want to lose it to the fucking Bears so like you're still going to go out there and try to beat them next
00:48:16
Speaker
ah All that shit happened and Green Bay opens as a two and a half favorite against Chicago next week. um You know, we'll see how that line moves as the week goes along, but it show still just goes to show what Vegas thinks of the Packers and the Bears going into that game. But I won't i won't waddle any anymore, any longer on this one.
00:48:38
Speaker
um Yep. Check out the website, ohanapackers.org. um Shoot, we may just post the injury report on some of these ah pieces of paraphernalia there.
00:48:49
Speaker
you can remember the pain from along the way. Just to kind of break in here, Tom Silverstein said better news for Packers. Zach Tom said there didn't appear to be any structural damage in his injured right knee. Evan Williams said he'd have tests on his knee. He said it didn't feel as badly as when he missed four games in college.
00:49:09
Speaker
Hopefully, like, Tom's was the one that worried me more because it's like, it kind of looked like one of those Bulaga ones where he's like blocking someone, blocking someone, and then he just like kind of goes down kind of thing. And you're like, oh, God.
00:49:21
Speaker
But then the, um. And then I got to give it to Monty for saying the Colts got Rivers out of retirement. What are you doing the rest of the season, Clay Matthews? So.
00:49:30
Speaker
We shall see. But, um. That's it. I'm done with Twitter for the night. Yeah, that's enough internet. um check us out there please support us um on our favorite social videos um at ohana underscore packers on twitter at ohana packers edition on instagram uh look us up face on facebook there's a decent chance we're gonna live stream um the next two weeks because there's sunday night games um So check ah check that out there. Try give us a few more follows on Facebook so we can live stream to that site.
00:50:04
Speaker
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00:50:28
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