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Backfield to the Future ⚡ | Packers RB Breakdown + Draft Targets
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Strap in… we’re taking the Packers backfield Backfield to the Future ⚡🏃♂️
In this episode of Ohana Packers Edition (OPE), we fire up the flux capacitor and travel through the past, present, and future of the Green Bay Packers running back room with special guest @sarahkelliher4.
Where has the run game been?
Where is it now?
And most importantly… where is it going next? 👀
From current roster breakdowns to 2026 NFL Draft prospects, we explore whether the Packers need a true RB1, a committee approach, or a future star waiting to be drafted. We’re talking explosive playmakers, power backs, sleepers, and the blueprint for fixing Green Bay’s ground game.
If the Packers want to hit 88 MPH on offense… it starts in the backfield 🧀🔥
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:56
Speaker
but Alright, now that we're all in a good mood, aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Today, we continue our pre-draft positional episodes with Sarah Kelleher as we recap running backs, her once a year episode with us on Ohana Packers Edition. Sarah, welcome back again.
Annual Tradition: Draft and Running Backs
00:01:18
Speaker
it's It's always a pleasure having you on and we're really glad that you're joining us to go over running backs today.
00:01:24
Speaker
yeah i mean i at this point it's tradition you know when when joe sends me this dm every year i'm like yeah you know what i'm in let's just figure out when we're gonna do it and you know as we talk about every year that i jump on and talk a draft this is literally the only draft thing that i do i even sit out on pack day and i do not discuss the draft there so it's fun you know and then at least people i work with or know, if you're at a wedding or whatever, and you're talking to people and it's like, hey, what do you think for the draft?
00:01:53
Speaker
This gives me an excuse. I'm like, well, I don't really know, but I can tell you all about the running backs because I did my research and watched film and looked things up there. So always appreciate it. It's always a pleasure. And we we do got to figure out how to make this more than just a once a year thing as well. I know we say that every time, but maybe this year will be the year we finally figure that out.
00:02:14
Speaker
Sarah's being so polite. This isn't a Sarah thing at all. This is a Joe and Mike issue, but wo no need to beat a dead horse there. Joe, okay. It's very much my own issue because we get into the middle of the season. It's like, do we want to ask somebody onto our wonky ass hours of of recording or you know do we just roll with it because like this last year we had a guy that we had on during the off season that wanted to come on and talk the broncos with us and i remembered it at the beginning of the season but then the closer we got to the game the more i it just kept getting pushed out of my mind pushed down my mind and then three days beforehand goes are we doing this or what
00:02:57
Speaker
We did not. Sorry, Mike. But no, odd recording times, never have to worry about that with us. I mean, we record pack a day every week. like We start recording 10 p.m. Eastern time. Just, you know, Dusty and Steve have kids. They have to take care of the kids, put the kids to bed, all that. So... I will say I liked it a lot more when I was in college and I was, you know, I'm like, it doesn't matter. I don't have class until 10 o'clock or I don't even have class tomorrow.
00:03:28
Speaker
Now, you know, having to get up and work, I'm like, man, I really need to make sure like as soon as it's done, I'm like, all right, see you guys going to bed. Like everything is set out already for the next day. But obviously wouldn't trade it for the world. And it it works out perfect. You know, if I had stuff after work or need to do anything, it I don't have to rush. But yeah, that's... don't ever worry about that as a barrier because I'm used to it, for sure.
Packers' Strategy Discussion
00:03:53
Speaker
Right on. Well, before this episode, it was really a quiet week for the Packers, honestly. You know, we left off with the flurry of free agency moves that the Packers were able to do. And...
00:04:05
Speaker
don't think anything happened this past week either of you please correct me but i believe that they're kind of just sitting tight you know waiting out the rest of time between now and the draft maybe they'll make one more peripheral move but it doesn't seem like the packers expect to make any sort of pre-draft move like i think the only one that maybe might come across the table is they bring back uh trevon diggs at this point that would be like the only one i can see happening you know like just saying like hey you know that situation seemed to work out decently for both of us i know we didn't make it as far in the playoffs as either of us hope but you know the door is still open and if there really are no further offers for you you know the door you know we're we're still more than welcome to having you back otherwise
00:04:51
Speaker
The only other outside, outside chance I can see is like another defensive tackle. But I think, you know, like a DJ Reader or something like that. But I feel like Goot is going to let the pre-draft process or the draft process play out. And maybe backfill depending on what he does at that position in the draft. But otherwise, it seems like it's just typical Packers steady as she goes at this point. No more real surprises. So, Sarah, I'm going to warm the seat for you this way. So, usually, we we're going to stick to our usual setup where we do state of the Packers position group, any sort of pre-draft thoughts, and then where we expect them to go in the draft. So, I mean, the room is pretty set.
00:05:35
Speaker
My only question to both of you, ed but obviously we'll let Sarah lead off, I know this is a 2026 draft looking episode, but looking ahead one more offseason, who is more likely to be on the Packers opening day roster in 2027?
Future Roster Speculation: Jacobs vs. Lloyd
00:05:49
Speaker
Josh Jacobs or Marshawn Lloyd?
00:05:53
Speaker
Oh, that's a good question. I'm going to go...
00:06:03
Speaker
I'm going go with Marshawn Lloyd, and that's just because i think it's going to be expensive to keep Josh Jacobs, and i would love for it to work out. I also have, which we'll talk about in a second when we talk about the state of the position for the Packers, but...
00:06:20
Speaker
You know, I'm actually banned on Pack-a-Day podcast from from saying the words Marshawn Lloyd, so this is a little refreshing for me. I think I remember that from yours and Dusty and Steve's episode. Yep. Because every time I get excited about him and I talk about him Pack-a-Day, like literally the next day, it's like, oh...
00:06:41
Speaker
He pulled his hamstring in practice or, oh, this like crazy injury that could seemingly only happen to Marshawn Lloyd has happened to him. So I'm just not allowed to say it. Like we actually had Matt Schneidman on our show last week from The Athletic and he asked me a question about Marshawn Lloyd and I was like, I can't answer that. Like I'm not allowed to answer it for the For the sake of the Packers, I can't.
00:07:05
Speaker
So I'm hoping that my silence will lead to the opposite result and that he'll have a great year and will be on the team next year. They can obviously get him for a lot cheaper. But I just think it's going to be difficult for them to keep Josh Jacobs. at the price he's probably going to ask for, given what his age is going to be. I'd love to see it work out, but it's kind of, you know, giving me a little bit of memories of of Aaron Jones and how it's like, wow, this seems like a great guy, great for the the locker room, a clear leader on the team. But that position is one that the Packers really haven't been willing to pay sometimes with that highest market price is. So we'll see. but That's a good one. I definitely will have to look into the future on that.
Current Running Back Analysis
00:07:47
Speaker
Joe, your thoughts? i think I'm going to go the other way. Because the way that... The big thing is, is a lot of people are talking... Now, this is I'm also trying to factor in that, of course, Tucker's going to get an extension and there's going to be some other guys that get extensions, whether Christian Watson does or not, you know picking up the fifth-year option of of LVN, which I think they've got to make a decision on that here pretty quick.
00:08:19
Speaker
But the way things are set right now, I believe they have a ton of cap space next year. Now, granted, they could get even more by, you know, cutting ties with other players, but unless they decide that they're going to draft a running back high, they'd like another one coming out in free agency next year.
00:08:46
Speaker
the The room's kind of bare. I mean, yeah, you have Jacobs, Lloyd. I mean, if you get rid of Jacobs right now, you're looking at Lloyd and Chris Brooks.
00:08:58
Speaker
Unless, again, you know they they draft somebody in this year's draft. Then you have the potential, okay, well, a friend of show, Jake Schoenck, really seems to think Damian Martinez could be a sleeper.
00:09:11
Speaker
Maybe they thought of him a little bit. more because, you know, with with them letting Emmanuel Wilson walk, maybe they do think more of Damian Martinez.
00:09:22
Speaker
Pierre Strong is I think he's just a camp body at this point because he's setting just a year younger than Josh Jacobs. Even though he's probably going to be cheaper, you know, the Packers tend to like to get a little bit younger.
00:09:36
Speaker
So given his injury history, it's hard for I'm one of those, you know, you you can call me the doubting Thomas. You got to show me that you're going to be able to do it before I'm going to say, yeah, I'm here. I'm a ride or die with you. So given that he's played what, one and a half quarters in the last two years, yeah maybe I'm not really getting my hopes up now.
00:10:08
Speaker
Maybe they could, you know, they did send him out what was it, USC in hopes that he can get his body right, figured out kind of like they did with Christian Watson and and the University of Wisconsin. But i don't I don't know. I would tend to think that, again, like Sarah said, it's going to be dependent on what Josh Jacobs does this year. You know, he's going to be another year older. He's going to have a lot more wear and tear on the body. Is he going to hold up with anything?
00:10:38
Speaker
But i gotta believe i believe I will believe more in a 29-year-old Josh Jacobs than a Marshawn Lloyd who, you know like I said, maybe a quarter and a half worth of playing time in the last two years. So that's kind of where I'm sitting at with it.
00:10:59
Speaker
yeah i it's always fun to have these conversations and such but yeah it's gonna be really interesting to see how this season plays out because so jacobs at this point he's under contract 427 like a 16 million cap hit they could save like 13 on the cap if they were to release him I'm sure the ideal is that they, you know, he has a relatively healthy 2026 and then they, you know, come to the table and talk about some kind of like two year extension or whatever. But it's always hard to extend guys like Jacobs who are like, i don't want to say purely, but they're so dependent on being like,
00:11:39
Speaker
like whatever burst they have and being a power back and stuff and it's like you just don't want to see his legs start to go because that's when you know those careers kind of go down the gutter and stuff but and as sarah said lloyd is going to be very inexpensive because the only way rookie contract guys see those accelerators hit is by playing time in production and joe said Lloyd doesn't have any of those because he hasn't played much in the regular season. So, yeah, it'll be really interesting. Honestly, completely forgot Damian Martinez was on the roster as as as a future signing. I forgot he got added to the roster late in December last season. He's a guy really liked when he was at Oregon State.
00:12:24
Speaker
But yeah, it'll just be fascinating. You know, we're coming off two of the last three years. Jacobs missed a few games a season kind of thing. It'll be really interesting to see if they can, you know, kind of, I don't want to say limit his snaps, but, you know, not have to lean on him like they did for the obvious reasons in 2024. And then for 25, it was more the whole, like, it was more of the whole, you know, LaFleur, understand how your team is built.
00:12:53
Speaker
No, no, that wasn't the internet. That was my brain that spazzed out. so
00:12:59
Speaker
Oh, maybe it is the internet. No, I can hear you Okay. yeah This is what happened last week with Murtig too, a little bit. yeah So, yeah, we'll just have to see how it how it pans out. but So, all that all that to say, as the depth chart stands right now, the three returning guys who were... on the regular season roster or expected to have made the regular season roster in 2025 are josh jacobs marshall lloyd chris brooks who just got a nice honestly well-deserved two-year extension he has proved himself to be just a pivotal point of the packers passing attack he also showed that he could work in some of of dusty's pony package units and
00:13:44
Speaker
obviously you know he came at the price tag he had because he's not some kind of real offensive weapon but his value really is in terms of what he does as a blocker and if he shows any sort of offensive you know on ball production that's just extra gravy for the team and really would expand what lafleur can call on the field but it's obviously a big year for marshawn lloyd and Like you said, Joe, of the practice squad slash future contracts, guys, Martinez the only one I look at for having any sort of, you know, true NFL upside.
00:14:19
Speaker
And before I let you two have where you think the state of the Packers running back room is, I'll just say it for all of us. you know the the the the mantra is is that you can find running backs anywhere in the draft but for the love of the sports gods when will that be true for the packers because i feel like in all of our adult fandom it's like that that speaks true for every other team and then with the packers it's kind of like Like, why not us? Like, we, you know, we we dumb lucked into Ryan Grant. We dumb lucked into the the best of what James Starks could give the team. And then it was like, you had to spend a premium prick pick on Eddie Lacy. And then, you know, you had to go and get...
00:15:03
Speaker
I guess Jones is like the only one out of the last like 15 to 20 years where it's like, oh yeah, that guy was like a day of running a round five pick and he really panned out for the Packers. But it's like all these other day three picks since like Dorsey Levin's on, it's kind of been like, those have just really not worked for the Packers. So turn it over to you two now at long winded. Thoughts aside, how do you two feel about where the Packers start stand going into this draft?
00:15:33
Speaker
I'll let Sarah take it because I pretty much said it when you with with your other question, you know, because like i said, it's kind of the cupboards are a little bare at the moment. Yeah, I think it the state of the 2026 Packers in the running back room is honestly kind of similar to how I'm viewing the draft class for this year in that it's extremely top heavy. And there's your premier guys. And then after that, it's like, oh, there isn't a lot. You know, last year's class when
00:16:06
Speaker
we talked about it had a lot of depth. There was guys where you're like, okay, you could this guy's probably going to fall for whatever reason, or there's this thing that maybe people are going to be a little picky about that one team will probably get them at a later pick, correct it, and then they'll be a really good player.
00:16:24
Speaker
And that's kind of how the Packers are right now,
Draft Prospects and Team Dynamics
00:16:26
Speaker
too. I mean, we've We've already said it, but you have your your guy, a premier running back and in Josh Jacobs, and when he's healthy, is a game changer for the Packers. I mean, we we saw the difference it made when the second half of the year he was playing pretty banged up and that it does have an impact on the offense. So you have Josh Jacobs. And then after that, I mean, I think.
00:16:50
Speaker
I think we're all going to miss Emmanuel Wilson more than we probably think. I was pretty sad to see that. I mean, I'm happy for him. Obviously, he's with the Seahawks, you know Super Bowl champs, and they have a great organization there. So good for him. Got paid, got gets to go to a good organization. But it It's just you can't take that for granted when you're a fan and you follow a team of having someone who can go in there who has enough burst to do that. I think Chris Brooks is is a good player, like Mike said, and that I'm glad that he'll stick around. But
00:17:21
Speaker
So you have him, who's definitely in that running, in the backup role. And then you have Marshawn Lloyd, who is just a huge question mark. And it's simply because there's no tape. There's a quarter and a half or, you know, whatever it is. And,
00:17:37
Speaker
And the injuries are a problem. though I mean, I know some of the ones at the beginning of his career, like I think he had appendicitis or something like yeah, obviously no one's going to hold that against you. That could happen to any of us sitting here right now. And, you know, there's no rhyme or reason, but.
00:17:55
Speaker
It's a problem. And we have to hope that this is a year that, you know, whatever work that he went out to the West Coast and they were able to do on his pays off and that he can stay healthy because I think the ceiling is really high, but it's just...
00:18:11
Speaker
Is he ever going to get there? Is he even going to be able to start climbing the ladder to help him get there? I i think if anyone that goes on a podcast or show or radio show or whatever and says that they have the answers and they can see the future, like they're lying. It's just... We don't know what's going to happen with Marshawn Lloyd. I think we've all have hopes and dreams that it's going to work out and that, oh my gosh, the possibilities of what it could be if you have Josh Jacobs and then you have Marshawn Lloyd, who's this just brute.
00:18:46
Speaker
strong, like, I don't even know all of the adjectives to describe, like, how just athletic in that sense that he is. But we just don't know. And i think that's that's the hardest thing. And I think they probably will need to look at in the draft. And I know we'll get into it of just what makes sense. Like, we we need the reinforcements because what they have right now, if Josh Jacobs is hurt, if Josh Jacobs, gosh forbid, you know, tears his ACL,
00:19:14
Speaker
it's bit It's kind of shaky after that. it's shaky and then questionable. So that's not really what I think the Packers want going into the season. Yeah, in particular based on how... Oh, go for it.
00:19:26
Speaker
The only thing about Emmanuel Wilson, and and Mike and I were pretty happy with how Wilson was was playing and what he was able to do, and we had hoped, at least on my end, I think I can talk for Mike a little bit on that, that we had hoped that he had come back, but then I got to look and he he is 27.
00:19:46
Speaker
So that goes into the thinking too, well, you know can we keep him around to be a number two with us or do we want to try to get somebody in here you know like damien martinez i keep bringing his name up is only 22. so you know do we want to go younger with it since we do have the older guy and jacobs we do need that guy that that maybe doesn't have the the wear and tear that has the tread left on the tires to step in if Jacobs does suffer another you know ticky tack injury or whatever so that's the only thing I got to say about Wilson but yeah I mean other than that it's
00:20:28
Speaker
It's gearing up to look like that they're wanting to dip into late rounds UDFA types again to supplement what they have with Josh Jacobs.
00:20:41
Speaker
and And, you know, Mike was kind of talking about the the past drafts haven't seemed to work out for the Packers. and And that's the truth. I mean, you know, Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams were the last two that you could really say that the Packers drafted with mid-round picks that you know were able to produce anything. And look at what they had to do for that draft.
00:21:05
Speaker
They had to take three of them in that draft just to you know hope that something hit. And unfortunately, they don't have the draft capital in this draft at this moment. Not saying they can't trade down for stuff and maybe other trades are in the works or whatever, but as of right now, they don't have the draft capital where they can say, well, we're going to spend three picks on a running back, three picks on a cornerback, three picks on a defensive tackle, and then our our team's fixed.
00:21:34
Speaker
So it's going to be interesting to see what the draft looks like. And just before we jump into any of the draft, I was kind of looking at what could be if there's anything in free agency that they they could take a dip at. And right now, if you look at them, the youngest guy out there currently is Tyler Goodson at 25 years old and i mean this is just a basic list i'm sure there's a bunch of you know like guys that are sitting on ufl rosters or or uh uh cfl rosters or something that that they could call that are a little bit younger but yeah when when your current free agent uh
00:22:24
Speaker
options you know sitting there and the youngest one is tyler goodson and the packers tried that and they seem to not want to keep him around for whatever reason it is you've got to look towards the draft and and and what what's what's sitting there for them Yeah, and just to kind of go back to what Sarah was saying, like, in terms of, you know, believing in Lloyd, it it is the it it is the, like, epitome of his career that he gets...
00:22:58
Speaker
the last year's injury is the result of he comes back from hamstring and other soft tissue woes in the preseason goes into that colts preseason games makes a play that none of the other running backs maybe some of our receivers on this roster can't make on a wheel route and i remember watching it that was so cool and the split second later Oh God, did he just hurt himself again? Because like Sarah said, it it was one of those injuries where i know a lot of people want to make the jokes about it and all that kind of stuff, but it's like...
00:23:32
Speaker
I'm sorry, like, the injury he suffered on that play, all of us would have, forget hurting our hamstring, we might have torn the muscle off of our bones because of how he got tackled from behind kind of awkwardly on that play and went down.
00:23:46
Speaker
And it is, it goes into the, yes, he needs to be healthy, but there's the elementno element of, it's just terrible luck for him too kind of thing where... He's like bridging the gap between Christian Watson's early career injury woes in terms of like the hamstring is always shredding itself. And then there's like you said with the appendicitis, it's kind of like Luke Musgrave where it's like, oh, like his his spleen just ruptured. And then he had the ankle, like Musgrave had the ankle injury his second season where it's like, oh, that looked like a normal ankle injury. And then LeFleur postgame is like, oh, he's gone for like two months kind of thing. and we're all like, oh what? So yeah, he just, they've just got to get it figured out. You really hope they do because he gives this team a dimension that they just absolutely do not have. And before we get into naming prospects, I just wanted to kind of put that on the table of what kind of running back prospect are you looking for out of this class? You know, like if, you know, not necessarily asking to name names or anything right now, Sarah, but,
00:24:50
Speaker
like are you looking for someone in the the lloyd mold or for more of like a true bell cow back to like assume the mantle you know be in position to assume the mantle for for jacobs going into 2027 you know just so that is a potential option on the table for the team I think it's the latter. i think if you're goody and you're thinking about the team and what we just talked about of who's the running backs in 2027, you have to kind of be thinking that way. Like, who who's going to back up Josh Jacobs if we're not able to make this work in the future? If he... You know, again, if unfortunately something happens and he's injured for most of this season, like, can we mold a guy who can potentially be that?
00:25:35
Speaker
So I think that they'd go with that. I also think that that's more of the traditional stuff. style and type of running back that the Packers have gone for previously. In current years, it has but been you know more of the A.J. Dillon, Marshawn Lloyd type build. And so that hasn't necessarily worked out for them the best. So maybe they're like, let's go back to what to what has worked. And that you know has been the Josh Jacobs of the world. And so I just think that they're going to be thinking thinking ahead on that one for sure.
00:26:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, what I was kind of looking for was, well, obviously, what I looked at was all the types of running backs you could look at just because, you know, it with the Packers, it always seems like when you think you get something figured out,
00:26:30
Speaker
they change up on you. So, you know, with wide with first it was like quarterbacks. we We thought we had it figured out with cornerbacks. You know, they had to be at least 5'11 and at least this and then they drafted Jair. And then, you know, it was just looking most recently, it was wide receivers. They had to be at least six foot to two, 200 pounds. And then they took Matthew Golden, who's 200 soaking wet.
00:26:58
Speaker
so What I looked at was trying to find a good mix everything, but what I hope they get is something they haven't had for a while, and that's a true home run hitter.
00:27:19
Speaker
Yeah, so where did you guys catch me at last? No, it was literally like... i think It was literally like two seconds we lost you. always like Sarah's You said you want a home run hitter, and then right after that, it cut out. Yeah.
00:27:33
Speaker
Okay, so somebody that's got really good long speed and that, you know, obviously he's got to fit a mold. There were rumors that they were trying to go after a trade for A-Chan from Miami, and what is he? he's Mike, you might know it a little bit better. He's like 180.
00:27:54
Speaker
That might be being kind to him. Okay, so, but I mean, just a really small, but what is he? He's he's a fast, shifty, once you get him out in the open type guy, the the Packers really haven't had.
00:28:11
Speaker
So, but then on the other hand, What have been the last two picks that the Packers have used on running back? You know, Marshawn Lloyd, who otherwise being like 220 pounds, so he's a bigger back. A.J. Dillon, 220, 230. It just it it varies with them, so I kind of looked at everything, but like I said, my hope is is they can find that guy that can...
00:28:45
Speaker
make his way through the trash can has the speed and the quickness to get out into the open and you know basically if he gets free there's a chance he's going to score no matter what
00:28:59
Speaker
Yeah, I... You know, i i prescribe to the... Just draft all the Aaron Jones-looking running backs you can get and just have, like, four of them. Because that was the thing. I always thought that 19 let LeFleur learn some, like, of the wrong lessons that, like, oh, I can totally just pump...
00:29:19
Speaker
as 250 to 300 carries into Aaron Jones and it's like no we shouldn't be expecting that out of him but it's like that is the type of back he needs is someone with good to very good vision and like you said Joe the ability to take a run long and Jacobs does so many things really well but what's hamstrung the offense the past couple years is that he's so good at so many things but he works so hard to break 10-yard runs kind of thing and as if lefleur is going to continue to bang head his head against the wall and want to be so run heavy you've got to create explosives in the run game and it worked in 2024 because
00:30:01
Speaker
Jacobs had like multiple 40-yard runs, multiple 20-yard runs. But last year, those all dried up for the Packers. And it really just put a cap on you know it. It allowed teams to play us like 2012 where they're like, well, if your coach is going to just say, nah, we're not going to throw it 30-something times a game. And you're going to run it 20 times. And we don't have to worry about you gaining more than like four yards a pop. It's like...
00:30:27
Speaker
Okay, well, we'll just live in that world and you guys can just sort of eat up the clock and keep the game close for us. So it'll be really interesting to see how Green Bay zigs off of that. like Like Joe said, every time we think that we've learned or...
00:30:42
Speaker
you know, discovered a little bit of the Coca-Cola formula that the Packers are, it's like, nah, just kidding, we're so we're changing it up on you again. We're adding a, you know, if it was Dr. Pepper, it's not 23 amazing flavors, it's 24 and a half. And so, you know, it remains to be seen, but all that lead up aside, Sarah, it's pick 52.
00:31:04
Speaker
I know that everyone's saying the Packers need a corner or a defensive tackle, maybe an old lineman at 52, but... The draft board has gone to absolute... You know, it's gone absolute cheeks.
00:31:17
Speaker
And running back is the only position. Who is that running back that you're like, I know the board sucks, but Packers fans should be really excited to get this guy at 52? Yeah, I mean, they're... I think a lot is going to have to happen because it is so top heavy, like we talked about a guy I don't think I'm not sure he's going to be around, but I think that there is a chance if people fall and, you know,
00:31:43
Speaker
it's just a little bit different, but that's Jadarian Price from notre from Notre Dame. I think you know everyone's focused on their RB1 and Jeremiah Love, who's 100% going to be the first running back to go in this draft. like it's just It's kind of like with Ashton Gentry last year, it was like, yeah, we know he he's won, like and then it's after that.
00:32:05
Speaker
But I think that Price could fall a little bit because of that, and there are some other And I won't name names because don't want to steal anyone's thunder, but there's some other guys that could fall. But, you know, we we talked about Aaron Jones and just kind of what that build is like. And he reminds me a little bit of that. You know, size is the thing that if you look at any of the scouting reports has bumped him down a little bit. but There's so much good still. You know, there's a lot of conversation too. you know, he had an Achilles tear summer workouts freshman year 2022, but since then has been very healthy. Hasn't had a ton of issues, worked his way back. What I really like about him that I think could make sense for the Packers is his vision. He follows the blocks extremely well. He has this patience that...
00:32:56
Speaker
You know, if you watch any film on him, especially like I loved seeing the slow-mo's when he'd have, you know, a big run and break off. It looks like everything is moving so fast and it's like, how the hell does he find this window? And if he sees just enough of it,
00:33:14
Speaker
Boom, gone. And so I think that is huge. And you know that's what I always loved about Aaron Jones too, is sometimes it would look like, oh my gosh, like I don't know how the Packers are gonna get even just five yards. And somehow he'd he'd find a block and he'd and he'd find a way. I think another thing that I like about him is his production after contact.
00:33:36
Speaker
He can get hit. He averages, i think it's about you four yards after contact. And so that is big in the NFL as well, because you're going to get hit more than you did in college and it's going to hurt. It's just that's a known fact. I mean, every at every position. But I feel like you hear time and time again from these rookie running backs like, yeah, it's a different ballgame. Like I'm getting hit hard constantly.
00:34:02
Speaker
And then nearly one, i thought this statistic on him was was really interesting. And like, this is the kind of guy that, you know, playing complimentary to Josh Jacobs is like, yeah, that's where you just want the Packers to hit.
00:34:15
Speaker
Nearly one in five of his career carries went for 15 or more yards. And like that to me, I'm like, yes, that's what they want. Like if the Packers are struggling to maybe get some momentum, they're trying to establish the run of a little bit, like just give Josh Jacobs a breather, let this guy come in and let's get a first down and then move the chains and keep going. Like that's the type of thing that I think that they need. That was the second best rate among this year's top running back prospects. So And then the other thing that I like too is just his special teams ability. We know that that, you know, yes, we're here to talk about running backs, but we can't talk about the state of the Packers period without talking about just what a nightmare special teams is. And this is a guy that because of that,
00:34:58
Speaker
vision that i talked about a second ago he he could make whether it's just for punt returns like i think he's shifty enough to kind of see those things and if you're sitting in the backup running back role for the packers then you don't feel like you're risking the guy as much when you put him on special teams and he could maybe he but could maybe make a play he has that big playability you know mentioned the 15 yard plus stats so really like it i I don't know if he's gonna be there I feel like he could he might it just depends but I think it could work to the Packers advantage that he's RB2 and his RB in college and his RB1 is getting a lot more of the attention and then maybe it's like wow shoot let's just get this guy and we can develop him over the next year he can learn from Josh Jacobs and we could get something really special
00:35:48
Speaker
And I think another thing that'll help him is Mike Washington Jr.'s combine oh workout the that he's been put on a lot of people's radar a little bit more so that that could help push Price down. But I'm going to go the opposite way and say Jonah Coleman out of Washington.
00:36:09
Speaker
I think he's rated a little bit higher there. of and Mafi finally gave me access to his database so I can kind of look at what he's got down here. and But, you know, i really liked what I saw out of Coleman.
00:36:26
Speaker
And the reason I say the opposite way is because Coleman's listed 5,8,220, whereas Price is 5,10,203. So Coleman fits more the Marshawn Lloyd style build uh you know i say short but stout decent pass pro he's got some shiftiness to him a pretty good burst and what i liked about him was he had good patience you know the one thing that we always like with running backs is that they wait for their their the hole to open up for them so and he did that very well but he also made a lot of his own plays uh
00:37:06
Speaker
I liked what I saw from a speed Moffy's got that is estimated 40 a 4.56, so that's more around the of Aaron Jones type 40.
00:37:21
Speaker
So he he's not going to be a true breakaway, you know, flash, but he's still got enough that he's going to make plays with it. So I'm thinking he's going to sit there in in round two. So he's probably going to be close to what the Packers could choose. But like Sarah keeps saying, you know, this is a kind of a top heavy draft for running backs and the rest are low. So This could be like the Richard Rodgers tight end year for the Packers where all the top tight ends went out high and then it was like a struggle to find somebody to fill a need.
00:37:59
Speaker
And you know so some guys are gonna go a lot higher than what they might've normally went in in a different draft. But I think both Price and Coleman could be there at 52 if that's what the Packers decided.
00:38:15
Speaker
they they really needed at that point.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, and I think one thing one point to Sarah's nomination of Price that's really a good thing is, and it's one of those ones that seems really undervalued by a lot of fans and even some draft picks, is that Price comes in having been a backup running back. And we saw, you know, through the... through the AJ Dillon, you know, time with the Packers where it was like his best production was generally when Jones was out and he was allowed to get the the majority of snaps. And it's like there's there's a benefit to. Yeah, that's good point.
00:39:00
Speaker
i'm goingnna only get ten to fifteen you know ten to fifteen snaps in the game which means i'm goingnna get like eight to ten carries and so he's not a guy that you're like oh he has to feel out the rhythm of a game kind of thing it's like He's going to just play off of how the defense is like playing off of being geared up to stop Jacobs kind of thing. And it it it is a good skill to have where it's like you have that mindset of like, I'm just going to hit the first crease I see kind of thing. I'm not going to like try to, you know, find the perfect running gap or anything. It's like, hey, I'm just here to zag on the defense and, you know, be that yin and yang complement to our starter.
00:39:41
Speaker
and And I know that, you know, we had just talked about how, like, yes, you would love to find a bell cow for moving forward. But at the same time, you know, i do think hypothetically moving forward, if they could find a couple guys to split the snaps...
00:39:57
Speaker
they would prefer to do it that way instead of having to pay someone like in the high five figures to be their running back but you know they and i do think that's what part of marshawn lloyd's you know he was partly there to be like a extreme change of pace differential from jacobs and partially to be like a this could be your future at the position kind of guy and it just hasn't worked out because of all the injuries that we've already covered but You know, it'd be really interesting to see if they go for, you know, we're just going to have like two to three guys to cover all the snaps as opposed to one guy getting 80% of the snaps at the position.
00:40:33
Speaker
And Coleman is another good one. Like you said, Joe, he is more in the the Lloyd build. But... You know, you do need to have some mass to hold up at the position in the NFL. you Like Sarah said, you're going to get hit at times. You're going to get smoked in ways that you just never did in college because guys are just better at their jobs than the guys you played against in college. So, you know, we'll we'll have to see how that all plays out. But those are two really good names and guys that...
00:41:03
Speaker
for the average fan, you've seen play a lot the last few years because, you know, just three years ago, i don't think co Coleman played that much for the the national runner-up Huskies team, but he was on that roster. And, you know, in the last two years, they were still getting a lot of, you know, you know the 2024 season. It was still like, this is still the national runner-up from a year ago kind of thing. And,
00:41:24
Speaker
and then obviously with price and notre dame they've been in the playoff the past two seasons so they it's not hard to find film of those guys playing and you know it's it's kind of easy to uh get a get a view on them anyone that you would your eye would twitch pretty heavily sarah if the packers took them day two uh in this draft that you know, I've been seeing a lot of just interesting takes and in discourse around Roman Hemby from Indiana.
Roman Hemby Fit Discussion
00:41:57
Speaker
And obviously, you know, national champions. And I, I'm always the believer of like, if a guy's a winner, a guy is a winner, like you can
00:42:07
Speaker
clearly see that. However, I just don't think that it's a fit for the Packers. Now, the Packers aren't usually the type of team to buy into hype. Like they kind of walk to the beat of their own drum with a lot of things. So I'm not necessarily worried about it, but I have, you know, started to see more people, you know,
00:42:29
Speaker
Should your team reach for Roman Hemby? And I'm like, no, I don't think so. Like, I don't I don't think that needs to be done like that would definitely make, you know, to your question, Mike, my eye twitch a little bit if that was my team. And I think that.
00:42:44
Speaker
he could have a really great career in the NFL, partly because he's probably going to go later, which means that he could end up in a better situation. But again, it just depends on the round and when he goes. But i and I think, you know,
00:42:59
Speaker
elements that it makes sense for the Packers is his ability in the pass game. He's a really good pass catcher as a back, but lacks the size. He isn't the true workhorse back that we've kind of talked about. Like, hey, maybe that's what the Packers need. So so that's one. Like, he's he's a guy that he'll get drafted. I'm sure he'll be fine as a backup.
00:43:19
Speaker
But I don't think the Packers need to reach for him on on day two or whatever it may be. always always two words you or you know a statement you love seeing in pre-draft articles is blank name player and the word reach in it joe anyone that you know i i know we've all three of us has said this is not a position we expect expect the packers to take day two especially given that we have no round one pick but is there a name that like
00:43:50
Speaker
If for whatever reason Groot takes a running back that you're like, oh god no, like why did we go that route? Is there anyone that is really on the no-fly list for you? And on day two specifically, this one might shock some people because I just mentioned his name and that's Mike Washington.
00:44:10
Speaker
And the reason I'm going to say that is because from what I understand and from the circles that we kind of run in, he's got a little bit of fumble-itis. And i i if they can fix it and he can become that type of player like Amon Green,
00:44:29
Speaker
then I could be okay with it. But that, I kind of think that's almost on par with Marshawn Lloyd not being healthy, is if you can't trust a guy to hang on to the ball when you need him the most.
00:44:45
Speaker
And think about it, how how many times did we get frustrated with Aaron Jones when it seemed like in the highest, in the biggest game, in the, oh at the biggest moment,
00:45:00
Speaker
he friggin' fumbles the ball away. and so i don't know it just that would be that would drive me nuts now like i said that's unless they think they can fix the fumbling issues you know with like amon green it was something as simple as they changed up his elbow pad and if it was as simple something as simple as that with mike washington i would go for it but i i think that one would kind of
00:45:31
Speaker
i I would struggle to see the the process with him, if that's how I can put it.
00:45:42
Speaker
I completely agree on that point. The only thing I'll push is that Lloyd came out of college with a bit of a fumble-itis. Like, that was one of his listed cons. But we can't see if he fixed anything.
00:45:56
Speaker
know. And I only bring it up to say, so we really don't know like what is the line of demarcation on that front. So fumbling, a good thing for Marshawn Lloyd, fumbling has not been his issue in the NFL so far. who Moving on to day three.
00:46:14
Speaker
in the range where we expect, I guess, expect if they do take a back, they would be taking a back. Who are some names, and Sarah, round doesn't really matter. If you want to put a round to it, that's awesome. But who are some names that in the day three range you're looking at as possible options for the Packers?
00:46:33
Speaker
Well, I'm going to step in for a minute because there's one name I'm specifically expecting Sarah to talk about.
Reflecting on RJ Harvey's Success
00:46:38
Speaker
And if she doesn't, then we're goingnna we' we might have to end the episode early.
00:46:43
Speaker
No, yeah, I told myself I'm not going to do it this year. So listen, last year and I did I did make a note not to forget to bring this up. So I'm actually really glad that you brought this up, Joe. Last, listen, I don't want to say I told you so last year, but I, I said wonderful, great things about RJ Hardy.
00:47:05
Speaker
And that I thought if he ended up in the right situation, that he could be a really good player in this league. And he had a phenomenal rookie season. I mean, I probably would have been in the Super Bowl if Bo Nix doesn't get hurt and they beat the Patriots in that game. But, you know, 540 rushing yards, 146 carries, seven rushing touchdowns. And then he had, I think like five receiving touchdowns too. So I'm done. I've, I've, you know, I've, I've, I've done my UCF fan service, so I'm not going to go there this year, but did have to give a shout out to RJ Harvey, but I'll let you go first, Joe, on who you're, who you're guys that you're looking at maybe on day three.
00:47:43
Speaker
Okay, so with that being said, I do think I found a draft crush in the running back room, and that's Dean Connors out of Houston.
00:47:55
Speaker
i The only thing that I need to see is and i don't know if houston's had their pro day yet is i need to see his speed otherwise on tape it looks like his speed is good he's a hard runner he's good at pass pro you know there were a couple of times that he had a linebacker running down on him that just kind of caught him off guard but you know being a running back that will tend to happen good patience he's good receiver he he makes plays with the ball in his hand
00:48:28
Speaker
Mike, I got to look it up real quick, but I believe he's a Hawaiian guy. So you know that that's got to be a plus for you. But I just really liked what I saw out of him. he he He gave you hints of maybe being a Josh Jacobs style run runner, but i don't want to put him as a Josh Jacobs comp.
00:48:53
Speaker
I also had shades of Toby Gerhardt come off of him because there's there's a possibility that the with his size and build that one of the teams few teams that still uses a fullback could say, we're going to put him as a fullback and call it good. But I think if you used him as an every as as a regular running back that he he could be – a Maybe not like a top five rusher and and that, but he's definitely going to be a playmaker.
00:49:26
Speaker
And you're right. He is from the Big Island. So, yeah cool. Very cool.
00:49:34
Speaker
Honestly, I know that this is the position that we're going over this week, but I just haven't had, I'm going be totally honest, I haven't had a chance to really check out running backs this offseason. It's one where I'm like, I have no idea how they're going to treat the position. So I say that now, I'm not going to BS anything. I'm going to let the two of you take the lead on this position group. Sarah, any other names that are on your draft crush list this season?
00:50:01
Speaker
Yeah, and I don't know. I feel like crush is a so strong word. But I think that someone that I could see kind of you know thinking of, you know hey, it's day three, you know or maybe it's later in day two, and this guy's available, and and you could make it work. is And it just kind of seems like there's a lot of traits that align with the Packers and what they need. And that's Nicholas Singleton from Penn State.
00:50:30
Speaker
I think he's going to fall because he had that broken foot injury and is probably, you know, he'd probably go higher if that wasn't the case. But, you know, I'm not too concerned about a broken foot. Like, I feel like that's kind of like if that that's a more common injury and it's one that you can definitely come back from. So it's not like it's a,
00:50:49
Speaker
ACL or an Achilles or something that's much more significant. And, you know, he took a backseat. He was RB2 at Penn State. And kind of like what the point that Mike made before, like, this is a guy that's used to playing RB2 or RB3 probably in the NFL. And, like, he's a guy that in a room is coming to just...
00:51:11
Speaker
basically compliment and if he's available later could serve as a complimentary piece where you don't have to you know give up a significant draft position to get him I think he's also a guy that just has that like pure athleticism speed He's a former track star. So I think just brings kind of life, kind of like Emmanuel Wilson did, where you can get a pop every now and then. Completely different back from Jacobs, but you know you come in and then you can give a little bit of a spark.
00:51:39
Speaker
And then again, he could be a special teams guy. he you know He did contribute some on special teams, and we know that the Packers like to get that two-for-one value when they can. So just looking at the traits, it's like,
00:51:50
Speaker
Hey, this guy probably has in the later rounds the traits that if he's available, the Packers say like, hey, let's let's get this guy. He's on the board. So, again, i don't know if he's of my my draft crush, but but he's a practical choice for a life partner. We'll put it that way. but Yeah, and he does get a little bit overshadowed because of K-Tron Allen. You know, Allen gets a little bit more of the the love. Again, you know, friend of show, Jake Schavink and J.J. Leahy both kind of...
00:52:23
Speaker
When they're doing their mock draft episodes and and Allen's name pops up, they they instantly, do we go ahead and just take him now or take him later? But, you know, Penn State has done a pretty good job of producing running backs in the last few years. So, you know, that that would be. But, of course, you know, it's Big Ten.
00:52:42
Speaker
And, you know, State, Big Ten, the the thing about Big Ten are they're all blue-collar type players. You know, they're they're going to go out there and give you the 110% all the And, you know, they're...
00:52:53
Speaker
all the time and you know and there Lunch pails. They're going to bring their lunch to work and and all that stuff. so But another one that I kind of want to throw this name out here. Well, first, since Sarah won't talk about him, I'm going to go ahead and talk about him. I did like Miles Montgomery out of UCF.
00:53:15
Speaker
He really didn't have the top end speed, but he did have significant enough speed that, you know, it's not like, oh, God, what was the one running back that was on the Packers?
00:53:27
Speaker
oh he came in on a udfa and he was timed for seven speed and he literally looked it on film and he didn't last long in training camp but anyway this is to say that he's got a montgomery's got enough speed that that he should be able to stick on somewhere i did say his pass pro was a little bit iffy he did get eight and up a little bit uh decent burst his vision looked good he seemed to be able to follow the blocking when need be i didn't really get to see him do much in the past game so i can't tell you what he was able to do that way but he did look pretty good as as maybe a later round type guy
00:54:13
Speaker
Another guy that I really like, but he's an old, is Chip Trainum from Toledo. He's got good speed, good size. He did struggle a little bit in pass pro, was pretty good in pass catching, but I thought he was a little too hesitant.
00:54:32
Speaker
You know, there's there's a difference between being too hesitant and being patient. And Chip did go over the end of being too hesitant.
00:54:43
Speaker
So that's a drawback. But like I also said, he's an oldie. He's 24. I think he'll be 25 in season. So that's going to be a struggle for him. and trying to look through my the one that keep that i keep going back to that i'm not sure how he's going to end up is the running back out of army noah short he's very athletic but the big question is is he going to be a running back or is he going to be a wide receiver the either or he can be he can be either or he he's six foot like 210 or something like that so he's got a shot and then navy runs the triple option where they really don't
00:55:23
Speaker
you know They could be listed as a running back, but they use him more as a wide receiver. Or he could be listed as a wide receiver and be used more as a running back. But you know I think he could be something special and maybe be something... something on special teams also so that's the one that i have a big question mark behind because i'd love to see him as as you know how some of these guys are brought on to college teams as they're just listed as athlete i think you could do the same thing in the pros with noah short but then it's once he gets in there and starts working what are they going to do with him
00:56:06
Speaker
Anyone that you've kind of crossed off your board for whatever reason this draft process?
00:56:13
Speaker
Yes, because Mafi told me to. No, I guess the kid out of Kentucky, Seth McGowan, has some off-the-field concerns, so I kind of took him off my life. I didn't pry into what the off-the-field concerns were, so I don't know what they are, but I'm assuming it's some kind of arrest, and just to kind of save the Packers a little bit of a headache, I kind of said, nah.
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah, you you took my answer, actually. And, you know, he came off he came off my board because the Packers seemed, for the most part, to avoid that, especially in draft picks. They're they're usually not the type that are that are willing to even entertain it. So i I kind of looked at it like I'm assuming he's coming off the Packers board, so he's going to come off mine, too.
00:57:04
Speaker
Awesome. Yeah, it's a position where, like I said, at some point that whole... The one thing I got say before... for it.
00:57:12
Speaker
Go for it. Oh, I was just going to say, the one thing that I'm surprised is there are no Iowa and no Michigan guys coming out this year at this position. Well, Michigan, it's because they're... What's his...
00:57:27
Speaker
totally blanking the one that everyone was thinking would be a day one or day two pick he broke his foot and then transferred out to go it was the guy who came from bama and i'm totally blanking on his name right now and i think he went to like Somewhere down in SEC country, I think. And then Jordan Marshall is a true sophomore, so he's still got to stay in school. And yeah, everyone else who got snaps this season is like a true freshman, true sophomore kind of thing. So we just don't have anyone that's eligible this year.
00:58:00
Speaker
How about for iowa what is Iowa? Yeah, Iowa not having a running back is really strange. What is is their situation on that front? I think it's the same thing. They're all young'uns. I think a couple of them transferred out and the rest of them.
00:58:17
Speaker
I mean, I think it depends on what you want to classify Caden Weijin as. You know, is he going to be a wide receiver at 5'8 in the league or is he going to be a running back?
00:58:28
Speaker
But I know Jazzy and Patterson transferred out. I know one came back and then the rest of them were all sophomore freshmen. So yeah, they're all young'uns, not eligible yet. But before we close it out, we did get one question thrown at us.
00:58:51
Speaker
Well, technically two, but it's under one thing. This is from goose underscore mm on Twitter. If you could bring any Packers running back from 1990 to 2010 and put them on the roster, who would it be and why?
00:59:05
Speaker
And then the second question is, do you think the Packers need a fullback on the roster?
00:59:12
Speaker
Ooh, Sarah, go. I mean, I think for me, it's probably Amon Green. And it's a fan favorite pick, but just thinking of him with Josh Jacobs, I mean, I love that. Just what what the possibilities there. Again, this is complete fan fiction, but I love that. I love turning on the Green Bay Packers on a Sunday afternoon and seeing those two in the backfield. And those guys just loved being a Packers player too. So I think he you know just brings the star power in addition to what Josh Jacobs provides. And as far as fullback, I don't think that the Packers need one, but it is always fun and interesting when they do have one. So sure, why the hell not?
00:59:59
Speaker
So, oh, Amon's such a good one, and he definitely gets upvotes for the, I wish they had somehow brought him back for the 2010 team, you know, it was already like, oh my god, when they brought him back for 2009, and he, you know, he got to, I think, set the record for, like, most rushing yards as a Packers running back or whatever it was. So it and it was just like, oh, man, like, if out of all the guys on the 2000s teams who, like, didn't get to be on the 2010 team but deserved to be on it, Amon was definitely high on that list.
01:00:31
Speaker
But oh i'll to to Zag, i'll I'll just go with Dorsey just to give them, like, a big back who could affect the passing game as well.
01:00:40
Speaker
And then as far as the fullback, I'll say, yeah. Like, I think... I think LaFleur's offense... I don't... Like Sarah said, I don't think it necessarily needs one. But he needs a guy who can affect blocking angles. And they haven't found a second tight end they really like. So, for that reason alone, it's like... Yeah, it would be nice to have a full back who could... and it And it did seem for the first two to three... You know, like, they... they They signed... Aw, shucks, what's his face?
01:01:11
Speaker
Dusty's Cheese Wheel guy, dad the Northwestern Superback, Vitaly, Dan Vitaly. They drafted DeGuara, and it just seemed like they were trying to find one for the longest time under LaFleur. Like Sarah said, they've had success without one, but I do wonder... If LeFleur wants one kind of thing. Because it like like I said, it seemed like for two-thirds of his time as the head coach, he's been trying to find one. So, you know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes from here out.
01:01:43
Speaker
I'm going to go with that one just to bounce off you guys. Yeah, I do agree. I think LeFleur wants one. He just hasn't been able to get it yet. So i think the I don't think it's going to be an actual fullback that he brings in. It's going to be a tight end that is going to be more your H-back type tight end that...
01:02:06
Speaker
You know, i i think they kind of hoped that they could do something with Musgraves in that sense because he's a bit of that size and athletic profile for it.
01:02:18
Speaker
But that didn't happen. I think they wanted Josh Wiley, and that's still up in the air. And I think they wanted John Fitzpatrick in that role a little bit. And, again, that's a little bit up in the air. So I would have to put it – Put it that way. is They may not list the guy as a true fullback, but I do think that they're going to bring in a tight end that is going to be that H-back type player. Now, as for the running back, obviously my guy would be Amon, but Sincer already took that low-hanging fruit on it.
01:02:52
Speaker
Dorsey, I loved Dorsey growing up, so that one I could agree with too. I've been sitting here trying to think because... This is where I'd have to put caveats caveats on it.
01:03:07
Speaker
If I could get 2013 Rookie of the Year Eddie Lacy and have him stay that way his whole career, i would take that every day of the week, even if we didn't have Josh Jacobs. Because that is you know he was a thumper, he had enough so he had good enough speed, you know could catch out of the backfield.
01:03:32
Speaker
if we could have that but if he's going to follow the same career trajectory then i don't want that if but you know amon if we could have his career from the day he got to green bay on i'd go for it all the way i so if if i could use the we get prime eddie lacy and have the prime eddie lacy for his career i would go with that if not I think I would like to throw Ryan Grant's name in there.
Nostalgia: Past Packers Running Backs
01:04:06
Speaker
Just because Ryan Grant, I think he could be a good complement to what oh Josh Jacobs is.
01:04:16
Speaker
Because Jacobs is is more of your your downhill runner, whereas... Grant was more of your one-cut type runner, so there was a little bit of difference to him. But I think Grant had a little bit more speed.
01:04:32
Speaker
But beings that Sarah already took Amon and Mike already took Dorsey, just to be a little bit different, I would have to go with Ryan Grant.
01:04:44
Speaker
All right.
01:04:46
Speaker
Now we have all dropped at some point this episode. No, I'm good. I just had to get up and grab something real quick. so i just Awesome. Awesome. Yep. All right. but I said, I think I'm going to blame Sarah because it seems like every time we try to have Sarah on, there's always some kind of technical difficulties.
01:05:03
Speaker
Hey, maybe that's why we just have to keep it to once a year because then you guys just wouldn't have a podcast if I messed it up every time.
01:05:11
Speaker
We can put whatever label we want on it.
Closing and Promotion
01:05:14
Speaker
Sarah, thanks so much for joining us today. Oh, there goes Joe again. Right on cue.
01:05:21
Speaker
Thanks so much for joining us again, Sarah. Where can everyone find all your work that you do covering the Packers? Yeah, thank you guys. It's always a pleasure and and glad, Mike, you were able to rejoin again. I know sometimes hit or miss if we get to do it, the three of us. So it's always, you know, the more the merrier. But, you know, you can follow me on Twitter at SarahKellher4 right now, and just doing the podcast, not doing any writing anymore. And I write for my job. So it's just a lot of writing, you know, so podcast every Wednesday on the Pack a Day Pocket. There goes Mike. Everyone just, OK, you're back. No, you're back.
01:05:54
Speaker
But at Sarah Kellher 4 on Twitter and then at Packaday Podcast every week on Wednesday with Dusty Evelyn and Steve Perhatch. And yeah, I'll be taking a little break for the draft soon, but looking forward to then jumping back in in the offseason again and then covering them for another season.
01:06:10
Speaker
Awesome, awesome stuff all the time, Sarah. Thank you very much. And as she mentioned, her Pack-a-Day episode, check it out on Tuesdays. She, Steve, and Dusty always put out any questions, ask us anything, and there they do try their best to catch all the questions that are sent in You know, they'll kind of lump together similar ones and stuff. but And little tidbit, if you want your question answered, add a little foodie thing on the end of it because that always catches their eye. There you go. You know the game. I have to ask before we finish.
01:06:45
Speaker
Dusty will put those question things out once in a while, and I'll give him some of the most random, goofy-ass questions. Does he actually bring those up to you guys on there, or does he just kind of, like, throw them off?
01:06:58
Speaker
We do read every question, and then we laugh about some, and then we move on. So I know which ones you're talking about, and I will say just keep sending them because it's a good laugh. It's a good time. And I will say, Joe, that you can tell the times that the weeks are thin on questions because am different.
01:07:15
Speaker
And what's always funny is Dusty... without fault will lead with yours if it's a thin week because it's like from Iowa it's always the first or second one whenever he's like the barrel is the barrel is low I guess you gotta go with Joe's question
01:07:34
Speaker
I don't get to listen to a lot of podcasts because of my work. so i don't get to catch them and see, ask them, and I always fail to go back. And it's like, you know, I love throwing these weird ones out to Dusty just to see what he does.
01:07:49
Speaker
but So I've never gotten to catch if you guys actually use them or not. But I love throwing those most random weird things out there. But, no, their the their episode is always one of the most fun ones of the week. but Between answering all the fun questions that people like Joe and I send in, or when Sarah and Steve go, that's a dusty question, dusty go, and...
01:08:14
Speaker
it's It's always a fun time listening city to the three of them go off. As Sarah goes and moves about her house again, we'll just take care of some housekeeping on our end. Check us out at our social medias at Ohana underscore Packer on Twitter, at Ohana Packers Edition on Instagram. Please follow us on Facebook. As we keep keep saying, we are trying to get 100 followers at minimum so that we can live stream there. you know The big one coming up will be our day two of the draft. we have to when sarah gets back from doing her own housekeeping we will be sure to invite her to our day two live draft coverage what's it called once we get to 100 followers we will be doing our drawing to the facebook followers of the signed memorabilia and goodies that i sent over from honolulu don't worry they will still be good they were good through 20 26th, so as long as you guys finish following, otherwise Joe will have to sad eat all of the macadamia nuts that I sent him. So, please keep keep Joe from possibly making poor health choices and eating too many chocolate-covered macadamia nuts on his own. to They are a little healthier. They are dark chocolate, but...
01:09:23
Speaker
That's still not good to go through five boxes of Aloha Max on your own. But, Sarah, as I said while you were doing some housekeeping on your end while we did ours, up you are, of course, again, welcome to join us on our day two live coverage. Joe will send you the length. I know you that, you like you said, you take a little bit of a break during draft season, but if you find yourself yearning for some Packers coverage, please join us on our live stream. We just bring people on. We always... We are...
01:09:49
Speaker
We're always trying to bribe Dusty into joining us for, you know, 15, 30 minutes to to get his insight, which is always, I think I saw that guy play this year, but it's always fun time.
01:10:01
Speaker
or Or it always devolves into, did Kentucky play them? No. No. Don't know anything about him. So... but We'd love to have you on and we can have similar thoughts with did UCF play this team. But we just want to say again, Sarah, thank you for our once a year episode with you. We always appreciate you coming on, taking time out of your schedule to join us. Again, follow her at SarahKelleher4 on Twitter. Check her out on Packaday with Dusty and Steve.
01:10:29
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And I've done our outro. So once again, go Pack Go and aloha.