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In the Trenches: Packers Defensive Line Draft Preview
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The NFL Draft starts in the trenches—and so do the Green Bay Packers.
In this episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast, we dive deep into the Defensive Line as we continue our Packers draft positional preview series. We break down the current state of the Packers’ defensive front, evaluate who’s locked in, who’s on the bubble, and where Green Bay may need to invest early or late in the draft.
We discuss:
- The Packers’ biggest defensive line needs
- Skill sets Green Bay prioritizes up front
- Run-stoppers vs. pass-rushers in the draft class
- Day 1, Day 2, and sleeper DL targets
- How the defensive line impacts the entire defense
If you want to understand how the Packers can get tougher, faster, and more disruptive in the trenches, this episode is for you.
Draft season starts up front. Go Pack Go.
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Transcript
Intro
Welcome and Introduction
00:00:55
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Today we open our 2026 draft preview. Yeah, let's see how many times I get the year wrong in this episode. Today we have Jake Shevink on. We're going to talk about D-Lineman, a position that the Packers will probably be looking for an influx of talent at given the current situation on roster and i don't know what word to put with it, but let's just go with unlikely hood that they will be able to chase anyone of worth in free agency. But Jake, thank you for joining us today. I know it's I know that you gave us your your your time, your free, and I went and pushed it to the front end
Packers' D-Line Needs with Jake Shevink
00:01:35
Speaker
of that. So thank you for allotting that in your schedule and joining us today for this episode.
00:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, excited to be here. this is This is an important position to talk about, for sure, this offseason. And hopefully Green Bay's got a good plan to address it. Yeah, absolutely. you know Jake and I have made our feelings on the recent hires known. And you know Gannon has his – he's got his successful year in 2022. He's cobbled together some units when he was the head coach of the Cardinals and stuff. And the big thing for him is that his defense has worked when he's been able to rush the passer, especially pressure with four. And, you know, he'll do some window dressing and send some zone blitz looks and all that kind of stuff. But yeah I know this sounds like beating a dead horse or like no surprise at all, but his defense just
00:02:33
Speaker
From an outsider's view, not someone who's watched every snap or anything like that, but it really had the feel of if he's not getting pressure with four, his scheme gets tends to get picked apart pretty
Defensive Staff and Strategy Changes
00:02:45
Speaker
easily. And that's with varying degrees of better secondary, well, better quarterback play than the Packers look to have on roster at the moment. So yeah, Jake's absolutely right that... you know, nailing this defensive line improvement is absolutely paramount for the Packers in 2026 to feel. I do want to step in and say something, though, real quick, because my thoughts have not been brought out on the whole defensive hirings yet.
00:03:13
Speaker
And I was asked about it by Brian Rago the other night. and you know Like I told him, first off, we'll see what happens when the season starts because that's going to be the big test. is you know We can say all we want about what he's done in his past, what he's done you know as a DC. is It's going to be how he does when you know pads come on and and game starts being games start being played.
00:03:39
Speaker
But I think I'm more excited about some of the guys he's bringing in to fill in for the staff than I am for what he does. So that makes me wonder if, you know, obviously this kind of boots the whole Justice Mosqueda's, you know, oh well, the Packers went cheap.
00:03:59
Speaker
They've got, what, three or four current guys on that they just signed that were former defensive coordinators in other spots. and And so on. So, you know, i don't think they really cheap, you know, quote unquote cheaped out this time on on coaches. And on top of that, you know, supposedly Gannon was...
00:04:24
Speaker
being pursued by a couple other teams. So, you know, that kind of shows what kind of coach some, you know, he's thought of in in the league. It's not like a Joe Barry one where it came out of nowhere that all a sudden we're bringing this guy in that was ohn sixteen with the Lions and now we're hoping he can do something with with the defense. And it's even a little bit more than the Mike Pettin signing in my eyes that you know he at least had success elsewhere as dc so yeah like i said i'm not and i'm not gonna poo poo any kind of hiring
00:05:06
Speaker
And I get, you know, Badger fans are, you know, going nuts because they didn't bring in Jim Leonard even for an interview. But what's to say that they didn't call to set something up? And he said, nah, I'm good. You know, I want to go somewhere else real quick.
00:05:24
Speaker
And, you know, now he's what, Buffalo's?
00:05:30
Speaker
I think, is that where he signed with? So we'll see what happens there. But that's just my thoughts on things. You're not really going to get a good gauge on him and on Gannon until the season rolls around and we see what he puts together.
Current Roster Analysis and Injuries
00:05:45
Speaker
My big question is, and I kind of put this in your guys' chat the other night, Jake, you know, is he going to keep a four three or is he going to try sliding back into three four which, you know, it doesn't make sense spending the last two years building 4-3 and then you're going to all a sudden switch back to Yeah.
00:06:06
Speaker
But, you know, and I know Mike has said this numerous times that it doesn't matter what your base is because most of the time they play nickel or dime packages. But it just is interesting that they were looking at more three four base coaches than they were 4-3 when we know we've had a little bit more success with the 4-3 with the guys that we have on roster than than the 3-4.
00:06:31
Speaker
Yeah, it's... No, go for it, Jake. Yeah, it is it is interesting that they went that route. i But yeah, I think the... the Yeah, it was as Mike has said, it it it kind of... You're going to live in nickel most of the time. Like, there will be times you match with base, and...
00:06:49
Speaker
Maybe they feel more comfortable matching you know base when they have a guy like Parsons who's going to play further away from the ball, right? And you feel comfortable maybe if Van Ness is going to be the other outside linebacker that he's athletic enough. Or you have Oliver, Sorrell, potentially Kingsley if he comes back waiting in the wings, and then you can have – on base looks potentially right van ness playing more three four end which i don't think is an impossible thing for him to do at all like he he's clearly shown that there are times even at iowa where he did that so but but that obviously now requires go find a nose tackle which i'm sure know i'm sure we're gonna get into right so then they will have to do it they made you know if they're but i do think
00:07:33
Speaker
you know I think that the main point against maybe they're not moving is that Gannon has been adaptable, right? And he has catered to kind of what the personnel is and what they want to run.
00:07:44
Speaker
So it's very possible that that that happens. Now, I know that Green Bay, there were a few times you know scattered in there this season where they had kind of had three, four looks you know as as a base. So maybe they feel like they can just be – now a team that kind of can switch between the two if they feel like, you know, there's a, I know someone mentioned this, like Vrabel in Tennessee sometimes would just literally cater to the opponent. And like, if we're going to, you know, we'll be in this for these guys and all that stuff. So maybe they think that there are occasions where they feel comfortable going there to the three, four for certain opponents or for yeah just, I don't know it, but it could be very fluid in, in, in how it's approached this year, just because they do have kind of some, know,
00:08:28
Speaker
personnel that could favor the three, four, and then some that could still potentially have a role or two in that while also being just fine having, you know, if you're, if you're in the four, three Parsons is you're more your warrior rush and further away from the ball. And then Ben Ness is is, is more of your edge setting type. Right. So they kind of do have a little bit of that mix.
00:08:48
Speaker
And i think that's going to be the name of the game early on is I think eventually they're going to want to, you know, that's always the thing everyone talks about is what is your identity?
Wyatt's Extension and Cap Strategy
00:08:56
Speaker
But I think early on it's going to benefit and almost behoove the Packers to be more versatile because as we're going to into, they have a lot of question marks on this defensive line going into the 2026 season. You know, a group that seemed relatively flushed out in heading into 2025, you know, injury.
00:09:16
Speaker
Poor play, revelations, whatever label you want to put on it, put some doubt in that unit moving into 2026. And, you know, let's just recap where the roster is at the moment. So obviously the big the big overarching cloud yeah on the team right now is when is Parsons going to be back off of ACL repair at this point? I know that. you know At the time, he big you know he he was like, we're jamming at full speed ahead. I'm going to be back to open 2026 season.
00:09:45
Speaker
And then right around when the season ended, he kind of you know pumped the brakes a little bit and kind of, don't want to say fully like changed course, but he kind of like...
00:09:57
Speaker
clarified that his mentality is that he's working to be ready for opening week and stuff but realistically you know just because of what the recovery is the rehab program is the realistic thing the realistic goal is to be back before september is over but you know he he said that if he can get cleared he's going to play week one so That does sound a little more realistic in that week three, week four window, but you know it just does put into put into focus that like the Packers need to operate under the guys that you're walking into week one with, for sure, Lucas, Colin Oliver,
00:10:38
Speaker
and Baron Sorrell at defensive end. Question mark, Enigbare, as Jake noted. Very bigger question mark, Rashawn Gary.
00:10:51
Speaker
And then a defensive tackle, Wyatt should be ready to start the season. And, you know, Colby Wooden had a good season but tailed off a lot as the season went along. You know, just hasn't played that many snaps in since he was in college, basically. So, of course, you're going to have physical wear and tear.
00:11:09
Speaker
Carl Brooks was a very up and down player in 2025. He flashed, but for as much as he flashed, he had double the stretches where you're kind of like, is he out there?
00:11:18
Speaker
And then you've got a bunch of you know retread run plugger types and Nazir Stackhouse. And then obviously Brinson, who had his moments where you're like, that's a player.
00:11:31
Speaker
And then other moments where you're like, that's what a rookie defensive tackle supposed to look like. And you just hope that the times that he flashed, you can string more of those together. And I know a lot of people are going to roll their eyes at that. But that's really – everyone needs to remember, you know, the the adage you hear amongst guys who cover college football is that freshman defensive tackles are bad. And you can roll that over into the NFL where it's like – rookie defensive tackles tend to struggle because it is just that readjustment to the next level of strength and conditioning where like, you know,
Draft Targets Analysis
00:12:05
Speaker
guys who even the guys who are quote unquote technician guys, they have an adjustment period like Mike Daniels. It took him till like week 13 as a rookie where it was like, OK, I've got it figured out. I know at least on a few times a game i can win with this push pull rip move. and i can use my size to dip under this guy but it takes the rookie defensive tackles the better part of a year to figure out okay the stuff i could get away with in college i've got to get that short up the stuff that i was really good at it works but i gotta still get better at it and all and as opposed to defensive end where you can still run around people every once in a while or you can still just
00:12:51
Speaker
spam a move and then rip the counter to it if you can do it and stuff. But Jake, where do you, you know, if, and and we haven't even talked about where the team's salary cap is, but just in your assumption, where do you see the Packers going this off season along the defensive line?
00:13:10
Speaker
Well, I'm going interrupt here just for a second. I want to make sure that we're on this. We're focusing mainly on the interior this time because next week we'll be doing the edge rushers. So we're going to focus. This what happens when we get two Jakes or Jacobs to do the same, like nearly the same position. just how the schedule falls but yeah i just wanted to make sure because well i i know we're going to be talking a little bit about the edge rushers anyway in this because some of these prospects are are they going to be inside are they going to be outside type guys so but i do want to make sure that we're we're going to focus sorry guys we've taken a couple weeks off so you know we're trying to get back to the flow of things
00:13:53
Speaker
Mike's on siesta mode already. But Jake, refocus, refocus. We're refocusing on the interior defensive line. But you can dabble in defensive end. I won't stop you.
00:14:05
Speaker
Oh man. Yeah. It's, it's tricky free agency wise. Right. Especially with the interior defensive line. Cause like, I mean, again, guys just, they don't one green Bay doesn't have a lot space to work with. They're probably going to post June first cut a couple of guys. I think that at least we assume so.
00:14:20
Speaker
So they might have more room than we think, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's pretty bleak as far as free agents go. Like if you're looking like, especially like if they're, if they're trying to stay younger and like, Hey, let's find a second contract guy. Right.
00:14:34
Speaker
and not go after 39 year old Calais Campbell, then then it's kind of, it's, it's true, which, hey, if they want to do that, be be my guest. Hey, Gannon's coaching the defense. It's all possible that he could try calling Campbell something.
00:14:49
Speaker
but There might be something to that. Yeah, that's, that is true. Hey, you want to try to win one here at the end? I mean, If he can still play, I will not i will not be upset about that. hell Hey, I don't know how that's going to work because i'm currently I am 39 and I don't know if I could even suit up to play a snap in a football game and not even a professional game like a high school game and not get my ass killed.
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah, that it it is a testament to some of those guys who could can consistently do that. But like when you look at, like I don't know, because as I'm like perusing this this board of guys like, we find Wuzarrique, who's been in Detroit. he was the draft pick on day two for them. like Maybe they think they they can unlock something.
00:15:34
Speaker
you know Naquan Jones from Houston, who's not really heavily into their rotation as much. Like, I know people like James Lynch several years ago when he came out of Baylor.
00:15:45
Speaker
Jalen Redman's exclusive rights, though, from Minnesota. I have to imagine with how badly they swung in free agency a defensive tackle that they're probably like, yeah, we better we were keep this guy around. So it it really is going to be tricky for them just to find...
00:16:01
Speaker
like guys that they would feel comfortable like bringing in, you know, on the cheap. Like even if you're looking at like a Logan Hall, right, from from Tampa Bay, who's a free agent who couldn't really figure out where, you know, his best spot was along that defensive line, like it's still probably going to cost like $8 million a year to kind of bring him in. And and maybe maybe you feel comfortable spending it like that much just because, okay, we've seen these big contracts. Like let's, you know, let's do the one-year thing. Like maybe Logan Hall can provide you some disruption there on the interior.
00:16:31
Speaker
But it is it is probably going to, for the most part, again, unless they're you know knocking down the door for Derek Nottie from Kansas City, if they you know they feel like they can help him you know in the run game. Or like Tonga from the Patriots has been pretty darn good this year. But I have to imagine, with all the space they have, they're looking to bring him back right when when the season's done. So it is going to be a lot of those type of players, like a Greg Gaines from Tampa Bay, who's kind of a little shorter, stockier player.
00:17:00
Speaker
So yes, they can probably do this with some of these one year rentals and maybe they want to do that like they tried to do with Wilkerson back in the day, right? That sounds bad saying back in the day because that's not that long ago. But you know, guys like that where it's like, okay, we'll bring this guy in for one year and see if he can, you know,
00:17:15
Speaker
provide a little bit of juice for us. That's where I feel like I'm looking like Sheldon Rankins would have been awesome about five months ago calling that out and saying like, oh, they should bring him in. I don't think they're anywhere in the vicinity of what they could pay him. But even even at 31 right now, what what Houston or somebody else is going to do to to bring him in at this point. So You are going to have to kind of you know go a little budget and just find somebody that you know either a is going to help us you know early downs run defense or you know could maybe help us with some juice of pass rusher. But like those are names that you kind of throw out and go, OK, they can do one or the other.
00:17:54
Speaker
and And they might be kind of, they might be strapped into that in the draft as well, just because of, you know, where they're picking. But yeah, it is it is probably, it would probably be worth their while to maybe go find one of each, right? One year deal, let's let's kind of stack this room. Maybe you go one year deal for like, for Nottie and or, you know, Logan Hall and see like, okay, yeah, we're going to put like 12-ish, 13-ish million dollars into these two guys for a year each and see, know,
00:18:22
Speaker
you know can we get some results out of that like that that seems like probably what their course of action will be in free agency if if they quote unquote get aggressive enough because again we just don't we're not going to see you know elite players are just not hitting free agency right like right car the jaylen carters of the world no chance phillies no thank you we're not but we won't he won't be won't be available right and so that's you know the byron murphy's in seattle in a couple years he's not gonna be available so it it is gonna be very much just with the salary cap going absolutely nuclear, just teams are gonna be like yeah no, we're, I mean, we we'll give, what do you want? Like for your second contract, right? If you're really good in your first one. So that's, that's where they're gonna have to look.
00:19:06
Speaker
Yeah, you're going to have to get like like, it makes you really realize how lucky Thompson was when he signed Ryan Pickett off free agency back in O.C. because it was like, and and even then, that was sort of a risk because it's like Ryan Pickett, like a former, was he, like a first round or a second round pick? And it was the whole like, OK, he was an early pick who was OK, but sort of a disappointing player as a pro to that point. And like the whole, you know, the the stereotypical, OK, you know, he flashed some talent, but didn't live up to his billing, you know, his draft pick billing and yada, yada, yada, and then found a home in Green Bay and like really resuscitated his career from that point forward.
00:19:46
Speaker
But to Jake's point, like, frees The prospective free agency market doesn't even really have those guys anymore, especially not coming off their first contracts. Like Hall is basically the the the equivalent in terms of that. But even then, as Sheving alluded to, Pickett, you knew he was a nose tackle. Like there was no mystery to what he was or wasn't going to be in your scheme. Hall, it's like...
00:20:15
Speaker
are we still sure he's not a five technique or like a base end kind of thing like there's still a little bit of pliability and mystery there so yeah it'll be really interesting to see how they go if they either decide not to or can't persuade anyone from free agency to come in and they have to rely on you know perhaps to me we're getting into the draft we're getting there in a short second but if they go you know I see a few moves they can, you know, theres there's a couple roster move considerations they've got to make with the guys on roster.
00:20:50
Speaker
The big one for me is, do you roll the dice on some sort of like prove it extension with Wyatt to try and lower his 26 cap hit? Because he's on the 50-year option at this point.
00:21:03
Speaker
I don't think the team wants him playing at a fully guaranteed, what is it? It's like 13 or something like, yeah. for all intents and purposes 13 million dollars like you you probably want that you know especially because wyatt's whole career has been starts off the year decently hot for you know what he is at the time kind of thing then gets injured then takes a bit to get backs up momentum and then it's either been never quite gets back to what he was before the injury or unfortunately this season gets injured again and is done by thanksgiving so
00:21:39
Speaker
that's one kind of kicking themselves for giving wyatt the fifth year and not quay Oh, yeah, absolutely. And especially when you, I don't know how real some, but like the the word is that they were like, oh the fifth year on an inside linebacker was too rich for their blood. And then it's like all the rumors are that Kuei is getting offers or will get offers that are like 5 million more than what the fifth year option would have been and stuff like that. And I get it. They're probably looking at it like, well, shit, the Darnell Savage one blew up in our faces, all that kind of stuff. And, you know,
00:22:14
Speaker
with savage had a longer track record than quaid did because savage had the first like year and a half maybe two years of his career where you're like oh damn like they did it again they they found nick collins impact again like he just has a few things to improve on and you we're like we're there we've got that guy in the back end and then from the back half of 2021 he just fell off the the table and never was that guy again and it was like Oh, that sucked. So, you know, you know, to you know, as much as everyone says, like, you can't have a conscience when you're a GM, you can't you have to have a short memory. You you can't play it as the like, well, it didn't work. that
00:22:51
Speaker
They do. We're all human. They definitely do. And no i don't think they're operating from like a the fan base hated that move they're looking at it from like a a pure bottom line like well what can we do what does this limit us from doing and what are the chances we're happy custom we're happy customers at the end of this year going into 26. that's another one where they rolled the dice and it's like okay well now does that lock in that we're cutting rashaun that we're you know i'm pretty sure they were cutting jenkins anyway kind of thing but like does that sort of i don't want to say force their hand but kind of put the final nail in in that terms where it's like yeah we're definitely making those moves to keep the younger guys that you know and and and then it gets murkier because you're not in the same scheme you were the the year before where Quay really did seem to be figuring things out. You know, he was playing a lot better. And, you know, does Gannon say, like, I want just a clean slate. But getting back to defensive tackles, like, the cupboard isn't bare, but it's a lot more placeholders.
00:24:01
Speaker
and you know does wouldn't have upside but he's a free agent coming up too and him it's like yep so they we're the same draft yep exactly so even more so you've got to go in but jake like is there
Free Agency vs Draft: Building the Defensive Line
00:24:16
Speaker
anything you're clinging to with the guys on roster that you're seeing or are you like let's just get into the 26 draft at this point no i i mean i think again i think we you kind of mentioned it a little bit with the d-line room when you're kind of going through the names like can it, it's really, it's it's probably frustrating and annoying to hear like, oh, we need to see this guy, like see some of these guys develop. But like ultimately that's that's how this kind of works. Like if even you even look at the Superbowl teams, right? Like New England's got Craig Woodson.
00:24:49
Speaker
playing he's played like a thousand snaps for this year at safety right and Jalen Sundell who's you know guy that I think a lot of Packers fans were looking at center when he came out right from from North Dakota State like he's their starting center like some of these late day three UDFA guys are they're gonna be starting right they're gonna be doing so you can't you can't fill every hole you know on your team you're never it's never gonna look perfect right maybe the Eagles have made it look close to perfect sometimes like last season. But even still, I think when it comes to the defensive line, like you you obviously hope that Wyatt could come back because the juice he brought from the interior is is really why I think everything, you know, with Parsons was was where it was. Like I think those two doing the most damage and having somebody, you know, that's threatening the tackles that they're putting over over the center, right? They're they're putting it behind a defensive tackle, like doing all of that,
00:25:47
Speaker
Those two, when when they were doing those creative things, were basically collapsing everything. And so I think, I don't mind, I know they're maybe kicking themselves with that fifth year option, however,
00:25:59
Speaker
an impactful defensive lineman over the linebacker, I think is, is because we're, we're talking about right now, we talked to the top with Gannon, like, what does he need? He needs pressure.
00:26:10
Speaker
And so why it is, is the guy that's going to do that, right? Quay is obviously going to be a lot more involved if he comes back, right? It just, you know, limiting explosives, right? And, and keeping everything in front and, and doing a lot of that. And so,
00:26:25
Speaker
Yeah, I think the the hope is probably really it's in the Georgia guys for the most part, right? Like that's where most of this like hope lies, right? Because for Wooden and Brooks, we're kind of getting to that kind of tipping point of like, all right are we really going to see, you know, something extra from one of you or is this kind of where you are?
00:26:47
Speaker
I think we all hope that Brooks would have been a little bit further along at this point just because of what he did. And I know it was at a Mac school, but like i just destroying guys up and down the defensive line, you're kind of like, okay, like, yes, it's a Mac school, but some of this stuff, if if he if he lands the strikes he's landing in college, like he he can be really impactful. So maybe, maybe there's still hope that Brooks can do it. But I think it's lying a lot of like,
00:27:12
Speaker
It's in lying in the the hope that Wyatt comes back and can push the pocket and Brinson can win some one-on-ones in the interior for you, and and maybe you hope that Stackhouse does a little bit more in terms of holding the point of attack against like combos and doubles. right like that's It's probably going to lie more in the Georgia guys. If it's if it's anybody out of the roster at this point, when it comes the defensive line, just because...
00:27:39
Speaker
that's That's kind of where all of them are at. like I don't mind the idea of doing the Devontae Wyatt thing like they did for Watson, where it's like, yeah, we'll give you one more, right and we'll see where you're at from there. and if if yeah And I know that's tricky as well because he's older. right They draft him at 24, and so that makes it tricky. But i mean I don't think he'll say no to another year right if it's if it's a good number for him. So maybe they have that opportunity to kind of maybe lessen a little bit this year. But Again, obviously, 2028 is is kind of kind of a, you know, chow time a little bit with the with the cap. Like, just it's going to kind of all flood over. But, yeah, I do think it's it's really with these Georgia guys going into 26 and hopefully why it's healthy and ready to go.
00:28:25
Speaker
And on that note, go for it, Joe. The big thing that we have to look at is not only do we have to worry about interior rush on pass rushing downs, but look how atrocious the run stopping has been. So they've also got to find a guy that can be that...
00:28:43
Speaker
that that can be that every down guy that way, why it can rotate in and out when he needs to. And, you know, Kobe wouldn't can rotate in and out as he needs to. The one guy that I, and and I don't know if this is just because of Hopium,
00:28:59
Speaker
But I do hope that they they do sign Jonathan Ford to his restricted free agent tender just because I think maybe not so much for the pass rush, but just because he's a big body guy that that'll help with the run. And he did help there for a bit when needed, but then the injuries just started piling up and he'd only been in in this part of the system you know what a couple weeks before being thrown in for significant snaps so you know i i'm i really liked him when when the packers drafted him so you know like i said i don't know if this is just topium that you know that they that they stick with him i thought he got a raw deal when they brought him in because you know he'd flash in pre-season and then all a sudden he was cut and on the practice squad for a little bit and
00:29:55
Speaker
and then you know he ended up with the bears and kind of shined a little bit with the bears for what he was but i do hope that they bring him in or you know bring him back just even if it's just on the cheap one-year deal to kind because depth you know what's the one thing the packers are missing everywhere on the team except for maybe wide receiver and running back is depth.
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe safety. maybe Yeah. Maybe safety. If Bullard, if you feel comfortable with Bullard back there, and yeah. Yeah. Maybe be the other one. So not to, we're going to finally get there. We're going to finally get to the 2026 defensive tackle interior line draft class. And as Jake alluded to a little bit already, Jake, what Georgia Bulldogs should Packer fans have their eye on? No, but...
00:30:50
Speaker
so just a reminder as a result of the parsons trade the packers don't pick until 52 so and i i just can't see them trading up to get in the first round unless they don't some team unless some team is so enamored with one of the players on the roster i just cannot see how they get up there without dishing away picks that They absolutely need because of the cap situation that all three of us have kind of pointed our finger at from a distance. So Jake, day two opens up. Who are we hoping is trickling down the board? Come, come, come. Who are we hoping is just like a a pachinko ball just boinking along but the the rods and going to fall into the Packers lap at 52?
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah, I what really stinks about this, I think is is something I was just actually talking about recently on a different on a different show is just like the if you look at like how the league has changed and and where we're at, like at least maybe not change is the wrong word, but like where it is cyclically where teams are under center. We're running the ball. You got to be able to stop the run early downs. You have to be able to field a unit up front that can that can be multiple and how they're they're able to win. And that hurts because I don't know if this tactic this defensive tackle class outside of like maybe five guys is going to be like true three down impact players. And that's a problem because the entire league needs them, really. unless you
00:32:22
Speaker
Unless maybe Philly, like which they'll do it anyway. They don't care. That's the problem. like Even the team that has the depth is going to be like, Oh, well, what we want to swing a Kayla Banks. We'll swing Kayla Banks. Right. and And try to develop him. So that's the the trouble. When you look at like the consensus board right now, the top five, I think, is probably in some order how you're going to see them go.
00:32:43
Speaker
Greit Peter Woods from Clemson, Caden McDonald, Ohio State, Caleb Banks, Florida, Christian Miller from Georgia, and and Lee Hunter from Texas Tech. I think the like the the last two are like guys that you're hoping for some reason that they put up a nice like one on the RAS score and you're like, I don't know what happened.
00:33:02
Speaker
But, you know, now teams are out. And that's that's probably the hope is you're hoping one of those two somehow, some way falls. I just don't know how. Like Lee Hunter's been an absolute force for Texas Tech all season long. Like if you even if you.
00:33:17
Speaker
And he's killing the postseason. The postseason circuit. to it Yeah, exactly. And it's like. So even if you watch like three games of Lee Hunter, you watch the two BYU games in the Oregon game, which are like their best you know competition they had all year. he He's just he first play the Oregon game. He tossed the center.
00:33:33
Speaker
And like that was a guy that people were talking about like all year of like, oh, the center class, like he could be involved in it. No, I just tossed my rag doll sprint to outside zone, make him play like plays against outside zone. It's outrageous. And like even if.
00:33:47
Speaker
with Lee Hunter, you're like a little concerned because I think if you watch like the all star circuit right this week and you watch the senior bowl, you go, OK, maybe the pass rush, he gets stuck a little bit right after that kind of initial surge when he when he rushes the passer.
00:34:01
Speaker
However, you've seen him in games with the club, with the arm over, like all that rushing the passer, and he's athletic enough, right? And so that combined with how he just – all week at the C-Roll, he was just shredding doubles, like just shredding them in the team stuff. And even when they do those individual drills where they kind of combo – and he just tosses one guy and kind of stacks the other. He's he's stupid good. i wish I wish Lee Hunter could fall to 52. It's just not going to happen. I just don't. I'll put it this way. It shouldn't. It is the tiniest possibility that maybe Green Bay goes, oh, he's in like the 40s. Let's go get him.
00:34:40
Speaker
right yeah and But it's just it's it does seem when you look at, like especially at like the end of the and of the first round with some teams where You know, oh, the the Chargers, they got away with a lot this year defensively because Minter's a freaking good coach.
00:34:54
Speaker
They need bodies and on the D-line. They could do that, right? Denver, they one step away from the Super Bowl. They they have got guys who are free agents. Zach Allen's a great player, great pass rusher, not really anchoring your run defense. Like, Hunter, do that. No problem. Like,
00:35:09
Speaker
new england i don't think they'd have any problem doing that even though they're deep a little deeper at the position like it just feels like across the board in the twenty s and and even and when you start to get to these teams in the 30s right that need help everywhere essentially right think about the raiders and maybe the jets who need just need help anywhere possible it just doesn't feel like a guy like lee hunter is it's just there's just no way but you you hope so but i i think he's probably past miller at this point He gets the Laramie Tunsil.
00:35:42
Speaker
yeah That's about it at this point. really is. and like And to to like kind of touch on two points Jake is making, like yeah like it it it cracks me up about RAS. is like ras you know it does a lot of It contextualizes a lot of things really well for the average fan. It's up for sure. The thing when you when you've looked at a lot of RAS numbers is you recognize that RAS, the one thing it doesn't do, even though it's supposed to be like a scaling grading system, it really can't account for the fringe weight guys, and for the extreme weight guys. It really doesn't know what to do with someone who's 165 pounds soaking wet. And at 330,
00:36:22
Speaker
35 plus, it just breaks. It like cannot, because because the the and the reason I bring this up is you joked about the one RAS, and it's like BJ Raji was a consensus top 10, top 15 pick, and his RAS was four, three, four, three. Let's let's give BJ, but it's like, you look at it and you're kind of like,
00:36:41
Speaker
Okay, like none of the numbers are great. The only green ones are his bench press and his weight. But at the same time, you're like, how fast are you expecting someone who's 340 to run the 40? And at the same time, on the other end of the spectrum, it's like,
00:36:56
Speaker
That guy who's 165 pounds, he better be blink of lightning flat fast because if he gets tattooed, he might not get up from that hit. And that, for the most part, has been the... that So, yeah, it is... a No, it's it's I'm not saying that... 160 guy got take off like an airplane.
00:37:13
Speaker
yeah Better be trying to get lift off at this point. you very rarely find the pose that are like 330 and run a 495 or whatever. Those guys go top 15. Right, exactly. right and And I'm not saying that you know you should give a guy an 8 plus Raz for running 540 or like that but it's like it should be you know like that card should be yellow at least or something like that because it's like if you line up every guy who's been 340 plus in the history of the forget the combine the history of the nfl the guy who runs a 5-2 is probably winning that race by a good like two yards kind of thing and stuff so it is one of those where i kind of just laugh and shake my head because it's like
00:37:55
Speaker
and and you saw all the guys who like when they signed like riley and bohana and stuff like that that it's like okay like they've got a 1.2 ras like you can kind of junk it because that's not what they're here for you're not asking them to first step off the but like you're not covering a receiver yeah right like you're not like like is he gonna get stacked by yeah luther burden like you know obviously All you care is like, if if two guys block him, does he stay there for all intents and purposes? Or is he losing ground immediately? And that's the only test. it's the
00:38:29
Speaker
And then the other side of it, like you said, Jake, is...
00:38:34
Speaker
Everyone's like, okay, but is he a nothing in the pass rush? But I'm like, okay, that's subjective as well because it's like, again, for a 330 plus one tech, zero tech nose tackle type, it's like, I just need the guy who I don't care if...
00:38:49
Speaker
does is push his guy back two yards. Pushing your guy back two yards in pass in in a pass rush, that's winning for an interior interior defensive tackle. like there's There's degrees of reality and degrees of nuance to this that the average fan just, you know they hear all the catch words and they're like, oh, like minimal pass rush upside. Doesn't offer much in that phase. But I'm like, OK, it's all relative. And yeah like Jake said, i just don't want, you know,
00:39:17
Speaker
You don't want the guy who's going to give ground in pass pro. And I know that sounds really stupid to say, but like you want the guy who's going to give you something. And if you're going to at least shove your guy back three yards, someone else should win off of that gap. And a good defensive coordinator should be like, okay,
00:39:35
Speaker
Nose tackle A is going to push his guy back three yards. I can shoot someone up the gap off his hip kind of thing on a delayed blitz. Like, you know, you you you delay dog it and you can say, like, if he wins his first two steps, you're going up. You pick one of those two gaps and you go kind of thing and stuff. And those are the kind of blitzes that break pass rush or pass protection schemes because pass protection schemes are primarily based off of where is everyone at the snap of the ball or the step after the snap of the ball?
00:40:05
Speaker
Because your running back is radar heading it across, he's the help guy or a tight end is you know chipping. When you send delays, the reason they work so well is generally you're attacking where you're you're you're kind of gambling that whoever the help protector is, isn't looking in that direction at that point. And that's why you know everyone's like, oh my God, like they screwed it up. They didn't pick the guy up.
00:40:28
Speaker
no the the fact is that the running back did his job and he did like go check check check okay good i'm good to release and then by the time that inside linebacker blitzes it's like oh like who who's got him kind of thing and stuff and then you you know you you get the pookie run situation kind of thing and stuff but and let's yeah face it guys like hunter are typically the ones that are eating double uh double teams So, you know, that's going to hurt their pass rush ability too, because, you know, when, when an offensive coordinator is focusing in on one specific guy, that's dominating their offensive line, you know, what are they going to do? They're going to throw the center at them and then chip it with the, one of the guards, or they're just going to flat out, throw a guard and tackle on them and say, that's your guy right there. You make sure he doesn't get anywhere near us. Well, that's going to hurt your, your, your,
00:41:25
Speaker
pass rush ability too because you know okay well i'm you know what's he measuring at 6 3 3 30 or whatever it is and the guy across from me is 6 3 you know 3 10 you know theoretically i should have enough beef to overtake him with what what pass rush ability i have oh great now i've got another 6 3 3 10 guy coming at me you know I can only do so much, so I'm just going to eat these guys so the rest of whoever's coming in from behind me can can make the play. And like you know that's the thing with guys like Hunter is he's not going to make the play because he's eating up the blocks so you know linebacker or defensive end or whatever can can go in and make the play on it.
00:42:15
Speaker
think to build off that too, Joe, I think i think what the packer the average Packer fan needs to recognize now is ye the front office to some degree is going to look at everyone in the interior and even other defensive end prospects. And it's like, what can you do if you're in a one-on-one situation? Because you're banking on, as long as Parsons is on the field, there are going to be two to three, maybe even four sets of eyes that are, whether looking directly at him or in their mind or like, I got to keep looking right or, you know, whichever side Parsons is on, I got to find one and I have to help. So it's like as a pass rush, it's like if you can do one thing reasonably well, a good defensive coordinator and defensive line coach are going to be able to scheme things up to where it's like,
00:43:00
Speaker
That's the guy we want next to Micah every time. That's the guy we want opposite Micah every time because he's not going to win necessarily, but he's going to hold Gap and he's going to make sure there's no escape plan. There's a kind of orchestral or symphonic like synergy that's going to be brought up. And it's like...
00:43:18
Speaker
That's, and you know, everyone's like, okay, like, it sucks we don't have a first-round pick. It sucks that he tore his ACL and stuff. But that's the, that is the, the, that's the cushion that Micah built. He's just so scheme-proof and, like, he's just so elite. That's the flexibility he provides you.
00:43:40
Speaker
by just being there, like, forget it, like, just being on the field. And we saw Halfley take advantage of it from about Thanksgiving on where he's like, oh, yeah, I can drop him. And that will really screw up the blocking scheme because you've got, you've literally got two guys who do like the, the, the Metal Gear Solid exclamation point. And it's like, you can hear the, the, the, the MGS sound effect. And it's like, he's not there. What now? What kind of thing and stuff. So, but,
00:44:07
Speaker
Jake, so you pointed out the guys that were like wishing, wishing on hope on hope that someone that that 31 teams just forget are on the board. Like, like you said, like, so we're we're at the point of like, I don't want to wish ill on people. I'm wishing for like Lee Hunter. Someone spells his name wrong on 31 boards. And it's like, Or or puts him like they put him at Texas instead of Texas Tech. So, you know, you know like for for everybody, like the the teams, the way they have it is is like first initial, last name, college kind of thing. So what we're hoping is for an administrative error by 31 teams where when they just spot check the board, they're like, oh, no, there's we have some we have some Hunter guy from Texas State or Texas, from North Texas or Texas, just Texas. There's there's a Texas Tech guy, but that's not it.
00:44:55
Speaker
or they or they recycle the jar cuz hunter card from from Auburn and stick him at defensive tackle right that would be great uh yeah but it is for him and and especially Kristen Miller somebody as well that they're probably gonna be plenty of talk about too just because he's I think functionally a better athlete than most of these guys that we've kind of quickly mentioned already because he's 3'10 and some of these other guys are a lot bigger, right? 10, 20, 25 pounds bigger than him, right?
00:45:22
Speaker
Or heavier, I mean, but he's good athlete, good punch, win the ones, right? Especially in the run game, he does miss. the The tackling is probably the biggest question for him, losing balance sometimes to try to make some plays. But he's another guy on that wish list of like,
00:45:36
Speaker
he can probably do a lot that what Green Bay would want to do, right? Him and Wyatt out there is kind of, you know, again, with Parsons out there in both of them, if they imagine that front, like they're going to get one-on-ones and they can probably win them because of how well,
00:45:51
Speaker
I think miller Miller just how well he can strike. And it's it's sometimes extension right in the run game, but it's also just I have leverage quickly. I've got the inside position and I can work off of it. And so him and him and Hunter are probably everybody's going to be clamoring for. But I just want to make sure everybody got a quick glimpse of like Miller as a prospect as well because he's kind of teetering in that range too.
00:46:15
Speaker
But most likely, right, you see Georgia guy with some disruption at defensive tackle teams. going Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, so, yeah. Oh, I see the G up there. We'll take that. Yeah. so who Who falls into that next tier of...
00:46:30
Speaker
you You'll either just kind of nod and be like, I'm okay. I'm assuming Miller is at the top of that next tier. We've exited the five who are the, please, please, please, for some reason, roll your ankle running the 40 at the combine. You know, oh my goodness, what's wrong with him kind of thing. But, you know, we've left that group and we're entering the, I'll nod myself into that pick. Like, yeah, like you said, Miller is like, yeah, I can live with that. Or the, within the next, you know, between the second and third round pick, you'll have talked yourself into that pick. Who is in that category? Can I throw one out there real quick? Yes, go for it. Because I think, honestly, that he could be there at,
00:47:14
Speaker
Our pick just because of certain aspects of it. And that's the Don. le own Brian Moffy's favorite. And that's the whole reason I bring it up is because like two years ago, Moffy was telling me, hey, you need to watch this guy. You need to watch this guy. Outrageous. and and so i i did it two years ago and and in my handy dandy notebook i have my notes for it and they they they still line up to what i watch uh just because i was trying to cram some stuff in last night i was like do i go off my old notes or should i because i know the whole medical thing out came out this year one of the weirdest
00:47:53
Speaker
college careers from like a just just like they would they could make a movie off his football his college football career kind of thing so yeah like yeah and so you know this guy and mike knows and jake you know a little bit i don't like throwing out player comparisons too much because then people are like oh well he's saying he's the next so-and-so you know no that so so i don't like so Yeah, I don't like throwing comparisons out there a little bit, but I see a Mike Daniels when I see Dante Corleone.
00:48:28
Speaker
And a lot lot of it is because they they have the same drive, they have the same body build, you know, the it just When I first watched him a couple years ago when Moffy mentioned it you know it's like, that's Mike Daniels. That's 100% Mike Daniels. and so But you know this guy is you know good arm extension. He's got a good push, good motor. i did see that is that on on the couple of games that I tried to watch last night that he did kind of slow down a little bit.
00:49:01
Speaker
So I don't know what's, you know, maybe that's the whole, because what is it? It's a heart thing for him, isn't it? Well, and now he's three. Blood clots in the lungs, I believe, is what it was Yeah, there you go. which and then you know And this is a guy that I consider it a more all-around type guy because he could play you know basically all three downs and be successful at what he does. So if we're looking at Packers staying put 52-1,
00:49:31
Speaker
This is possibly, depending on how they feel with his medicals, if everything checks out, you know, i could see them pulling the trigger on him at 52 because of the type.
00:49:43
Speaker
He just screams Packer to me because that's, you know, he's not he's maybe six one and and, you know, they've got him listed at... Well, this website has them listed at, I want to say like 3.30. Yep. know,
00:50:02
Speaker
three thirty five so you know like I said, it it kind of gives you that Mike Daniels feel because Mike came in at six foot 295, then put on a a good chunk of mass and ended up at like 320. it just that gives you that feel to him. So if if I had my hope of hopes and I do blame Mafi for it for telling me to watch him a couple of years ago, if it's a miss, blame him.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So this would be my home. On top of that, what better what better merchandise ideas and and and stuff could you have for Don Corleone? I mean, come on now. the The Godfather is one of the greatest movies ever. Yeah.
00:50:50
Speaker
it It is true. i he did He did measure at the shrine. He did not weigh in. yeah So that's so that's you know that's interesting.
00:51:00
Speaker
But he was 6'0 and 5'8". So yeah, we're yeah have right around that that six one range. So yeah, it does. I mean, man, his 2022 season was just outrageous.
00:51:15
Speaker
And I know they were still in... Oh, boy. I forget what conference now. but the me Conference USA or or something like that. where Or the AAC, right? I think that's what was. Yeah, i think they're AAC. Yeah, so it is the AAC. But the 2022 season looked like, okay, well, he's he should move up because this isn't much of a challenge for him.
00:51:37
Speaker
He had like a five pressure game against Indiana. I think that year where, and I know it's not the same Indiana, right? We're not getting, we're not getting, you know, not getting a Sigdetty team, but like. They still have a solid offensive line. Right. And so like he was, he was just destroying guys up and down the offensive line. And yeah, he kind of got pushed into the nose tackle role this year. They didn't really ask him to be, know, at the three tech or anything like that. But like, as a guy who just, yeah, you need somebody to free up the linebackers, which, you know, if,
00:52:08
Speaker
it's not going to be Quay, right? And you're going to Cooper and, you know, Hopper or whoever else they draft. I'm sure you guys will get into that in the linebacker episode, but like somebody who can free guys up like that, right? Early down guy who's not going moved at all. And they were doing,
00:52:24
Speaker
you know, run D drills at the Shrine Bowl and he's still pushing guys back in the run D drills because he's the low center of gravity and the punch that he can, you know, and and yes, he only had like, I think PFFM for like eight pressures this year.
00:52:36
Speaker
But again, what was Cincinnati asking him to do? Simply, please stop the run for us because teams are starting to run the ball more in college. And so he did that at a high level and when they asked him to rush a little bit, you know, if you if he kind of attacks that outside shoulder, outside hip, and like can build a little bit of speed, he he can he can shock some people as well. And so I think i think he did that in Nebraska game, was a really good rep of him doing that. So yeah, I mean,
00:53:05
Speaker
Yeah, if the medicals make him tumbled out even further and he's like a day three guy, like i don't think you I don't think you should hesitate, to be honest. yeah he My only concern with that is you know if he's tumbled because of that, are the Packers going to touch him because they have a conservative you know medical staff for the most part? so Well, maybe not anymore. But... well But also, too, like, it's he's in that he's in that. and So he's got the medical and because of the medical, he's older, too. Now, you know, he's going to turn 24 in August and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, maybe those two conspire to get him, you know, even into round three or like the fringe of round four kind of thing that makes it a little bit easier to take him and stuff. You never know.
00:53:48
Speaker
But round two is usually when the Packers like to take those guys. i Well, that's the thing is like, That type of player, you're right, Joe. But defensive tackle, that was one of the shocking things. Goot has taken one defensive tackle before day three.
00:54:06
Speaker
And it's Wyatt. Everyone else has been a day three pick. And I was kind of like, no, that can't be right. And it's like, shit, it is. like Yeah, no, Joe, I look... He just hates the position.
00:54:19
Speaker
He's like, I don't want to deal with this position at all. It's almost like he looked at Thompson's draft record and took the wrong lessons from, like, Thompson taking all these flyers on early, you know, earth day one, day two defensive tackles. And he, like, kind of was like, never again. It's like no, you've got to take him every once in a while. Just don't take the guy from Arkansas Pine Bluff or wherever the hell Kyrie Thornton came from kind of thing and all. Like... it's it was just one previous adams a thompson pick he was a thompson yeah so like that's the and that was the last of the like i'm gonna just gamble on the that was like very edge because that that was the only one that i was like have they not i know montravious was a third round was that that had to been the king year then yeah that was the last thompson year so yeah they they just haven't taken tackles that high but
00:55:15
Speaker
right, and then, Jake, as we get into, like, round three, round four territory, who is on your... Well, I took Jake's thunder. So, Jake, did you have a second round that they could... Man, second round, I feel like, is that that's going to be, i think, 52 is going to be a weird spot for them, especially if Corleone and the medicals are are not great because I do think, like, guys like Dominique Orange and Daryl Jackson are probably guys that are going to be pushed more to the third because I just don't see...
00:55:45
Speaker
like I think we'll there well we'll have some pass rushing defensive tackles that i'm sure we'll bring up, but like it does seem like there's a drop off there, which is why I think like our our pie in the sky stuff just it's not possible. I just think the the first five are like boom, boom, boom. We're off the board and it's like pick 35 and people are like, yeah, that's that tracks. And so yes, maybe they'd be interested in like jackson or orange in the second but this can kind of bleed into the third round discussion a little bit but it's like those two i yeah fair but like those two are probably in that same vein maybe jackson's giving you a little bit more as a pass rusher right and again i think the thing with with jackson is right the height like he
00:56:29
Speaker
he has to work to play with more natural leverage than some of these other guys do. But he, I mean, you turn on the Clemson game, which is probably, you know, one of the better teams they face. And like, he can toss some guys aside. He's violent in the strike with the hands. Like he obviously got the call up to the senior from Shrine for a reason because it was like, it's not enough of a challenge for him. But again, he's kind of in that similar vein of like, he's not like this tremendous athlete that some of these other guys are that are in the pie in the sky group.
00:56:56
Speaker
right like nobody nobody in this like trio that we've kind of mentioned now in the last few minutes are going to be it at the level of athlete that miller is right you're not going to see flexibility changing direction all of that this is more so like true either stop the run nose tackle or like i am a pocket pusher not a work around the shoulder flatten and add right any of that stuff But Jackson maybe fits a little bit better just because, you know, Orange maybe struggles to rest the passer because he doesn't have the length to do so. And you see him kind of stand up when he tries to sort of push the pocket more. And he's going to have to do a lot of those quick wins at the line of scrimmage rather than push where Jackson can get push. And he...
00:57:39
Speaker
can shot guys back and jolt them back to the QB and and potentially just run guys over to where like he would probably be in in that realm of like, you know, you like what you see in the all-star circuit. That's kind of confirming what you've seen all season on tape. And, know,
00:57:54
Speaker
You know, you make that call where he's, again, he's probably going to be, I think, 23-ish by many camps, I want to say. No, he's 24 right now. He's 24? Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. 23. I've got too many. I've got too many. I've got too many tabs open. Yeah, that's right. That's usually where I'm at. But I do this. But yeah, OK, if he's 23 now, so like, again, a little bit older, but that's that's kind of the reality, right? With the NIL, like you're probably not going to get as many juniors. And I think that number has gone down really sharply last couple years. So you're going to see more of these guys. Now, you won't see the 25, 26 is because COVID runs out, I believe, this coming season, though those type of eligibilities. But you will see guys like Jackson is 23.
00:58:37
Speaker
And, you know, do you feel like there's something extra there that you can develop? Or is it just more of okay, you're going to get this this powerful rusher who can win with the hands, right? He can can work around guys. He's got, like, the club. You can get that, you know, it work off the push-pull little bit, right, when you get an early strike. And then just kind of push with the power. And then, you know, you ask him to to sit, to peak, to kind of shed blocks against the run and and see if he can handle the doubles. He certainly, I think...
00:59:04
Speaker
He's certainly balanced enough. Whereas you see some of these guys who like Miller's probably one of them. and again, cause he's three 10 and some of these guys are a lot bigger where you get shocked by that combo and you kind of lose some balance. Whereas, you know, guys like Corleone and orange and and Jackson aren't going to be, and that's where, okay, you feel comfortable your, your, your group rushing the passer. Let's go get the nose tackle. See if Jackson can provide a little bit more extra than these other two.
00:59:29
Speaker
And, you know, you know, see if he can get into that rotation in year one. So that's probably the Jackson's probably the round three guy where you look at and you go, even with the height, like, and you're worried about leverage, you feel like he offers you at least enough in terms of disruption, straight line, you know, working straight line through the face of some of these guys.
00:59:50
Speaker
Jackson coming out, he reminds me, ironically, of another another Florida State Seminole from 10 years ago, basically, this draft in Eddie Goldman. I see a lot of a longer, taller, linear defensive tackle who can eat doubles and Kind of like Goldman's goldman's scouting report kind of read that way in 16 because he was one of the guys that was like Green Bay was interested in him potentially early in that draft. And it was sort of the like, does he have the upside as a rusher to go forget day two? it was like, can he rush the passer enough or develop there enough? to take him round one and he never really did but he was the Bears starting defensive tackle for like five years and a and a really good one for the for the why am I forgetting yeah but he was a really good starter for the Fangio defenses when when when where uh when math got there so it's like
01:00:49
Speaker
You know, like you said, like, it's, it's, we're not trying to paint the pig here. It's more just like, what exactly are you looking for? And like, yeah you know, and especially if you can retain Covington, I think that is a big key for this group because it's like,
01:01:04
Speaker
How comfortable are you with some warts on prospects if you have a guy like Covington who has a really good track record of... du but You know, like like you mentioned earlier, like a guy like Tonga.
01:01:16
Speaker
Covington's the guy who put in a lot of the work in developing a guy like Tonga. Some of the other guys they have on that on that roster who are just banging up of opposing off offensive line. It's Covington who put in the the two to three previous years of work on developing those players and stuff. So, yeah, if they can...
01:01:33
Speaker
maintain if they can retain Covington which knock on wood it seems like is looking decent right now because a lot of the you know a lot of the the deck chairs have been filled up at this point so you just kind of hope that he can retain and a big one is that he hasn't gone to Miami yet at this point I feel like that was the one that I was kind of watching is like does he follow Halfley down to Miami immediately kind of thing or you know does that process play out and yada yada yada and all that kind of stuff but Yeah, I agree with you that Jackson would be on the short list of like, yeah, I can see it. i can I can talk myself around it and get into it. Because like you said, it's like, if I...
01:02:13
Speaker
if I'll jump up and down if you tell me, you know, some people will be like, oh, he won't get you more than like one and a half, two sacks a season, but he's not going to get beat by a double team. I'm like, I'll take it.
01:02:23
Speaker
Like if, if, if he figures out the pad level stuff and he can give you 20 to 25 good run snaps a game, that's a win on day two. that That's an absolute win for me in my book.
01:02:35
Speaker
Yeah, like if you could with him. Oh, sorry. I was just gonna say, if you could with him get to like, you know, what? What are we looking at here really quick? Just, you know, like a 40% success rate.
01:02:48
Speaker
yeah Yeah. You get that defensively against the run. Yes, absolutely. That's at the very least right now looks like when I'm looking at this middle of the road, right? Yeah. And if if it gets better than that, awesome. Like i want that like 38 to 40%, 42% success rate. If you give me that against the run as part of you being on the field defensive tackle, I'm taking that, especially in the mid rounds. Like if you're contributing enough of that, that's kind of what you're going to do with the rest of this class. You're going kind of, what what what role do you want? Do you want the,
01:03:18
Speaker
Guys we've kind of been talking about here for the last 10 minutes or so, or you know you want the pass rushers where there are some, there are there are guys who can do that in this draft, but it's kind of outside those top five guys is gonna be like, you want this or this? And and yeah that's where you know I kind of brought up like free agency if they wanna go get like you know a run stuffer and a pass rusher to kind of fill that, they can do kind of that similar thing April. So.
01:03:42
Speaker
in april so yep Joe, you had something? I was just going to say that when Mike said, ironically, he reminds me of another Florida State guy. I thought he was going a little bit a different direction with that. And I was like, no, we don't want that Florida State remembered back up here. you know No, that's an end, so it's fine. but but no and you know And kind of to get to what Jake is saying, like to to put it in reference, so you know Jake's saying, like what's 40% run stuff?
01:04:10
Speaker
run stuff The problem the Packers had with Nazir Stackhouse this year, and that's what I'm saying. like If you're telling me you're getting that much success from Jackson, that's a good draft pick for me because you know the Stackhouse stuff this season, it was really good in theory, but you were getting a success rate of 15% to 20%. And if you're just a zero against the pass, you can't be that bad against the run when you're like touted to be this this double team eating run stuffer. You've got to be a much better player in your... To the fact that they were like, we can't play this guy more than five snaps and we like you could tell it was to the point that it's like
01:04:51
Speaker
if they convert this third and short and get into like a we're going to go up tempo and start throwing the ball. We're calling, we're literally to the point, we're calling timeout to get him off the field or we're we're signaling to him, like, you're going to roll your ankle and you're going to go down in a heat kind of thing to get to get you off the field and stuff. like you you Like, you can't be picking a guy day two if you're not going to get some modicum of success, like Jake said. So yeah, that's that's the relative thing we're looking for.
01:05:19
Speaker
And then just to keep with tradition, day three, Jake, like who is your Evan Williams? And from here, so like, you know, if we're looking day three, who is your like Evan Williams from two years ago? Like I, the average fan is like, I had not heard that name, thought of that name, thought he would go to the Packers name. But as I watch more film in the month after the draft, it's like this, you know, it's the, it's the young Frankenstein Gene Wilder looking at the camera. This could work.
01:05:49
Speaker
kind of thing. Yeah. i there There are a couple excuse me names like that that can rush the passer that I don't think would necessarily fit the Evan Williams criteria. and we could But to answer your question, I feel like it's Zane Durant from Penn State.
01:06:05
Speaker
That would be my guess at this point, because it's it's kind of a perfect storm a little bit where, yes, he's a little undersized. And so that's, you know, I i think he measured the senior bowl and he's, I think in the two eighties.
01:06:16
Speaker
So, you know, well but if if you trust any school to kind of get the, get the level of like, get your, athleticism strength up and and still have the athleticism. Would you add a bunch of weight? I feel like Penn State's going to be up there right in terms of of teams I would trust to do that. What was he? Oh no, 290. So 6 foot 0 at 7, 8, 290 at the Senior Bowl.
01:06:38
Speaker
And he had a perfect storm being better 2024 than 2025. We've seen that before with some certain receivers in the 2023 draft and If they're looking for a guy who can be this tremendous athlete who's going to rush the passer at a high level, right, you stick him kind of outside the guard's shoulder and let him attack.
01:07:03
Speaker
And you feel comfortable with the group you have in early downs and you go, okay, cool. Parsons, Wyatt, Durant, you know Van Ness, get out there on third down and go attack. And...
01:07:15
Speaker
Yeah, he just he kind of fits that bill as this guy who can cross the face of of offensive linemen with ease. He's flexible turning the corner. And and just again, when you have a guy who can jump with that first step explosiveness to kind of get guys off balance and get them in in kind of recovery mode immediately.
01:07:35
Speaker
That's the type of player I imagine that they would go, OK, if we can just get him to use kind of again we talk about the guys that are shorter the natural leverage that you can kind of play with because we've seen the cross chop we've seen you you know work inside move and and smash into centers right like just he he is kind of the epitome of like disruption and what you're going to get there and you saw some of those kind of flashes at the senior bowl of him there's one where he pretty much does just that they they have him in the one-on-ones he's right opposite the guard, he's going to attack half of him, and he just cross chops perfectly. and No wasted movement.
01:08:10
Speaker
Feet are still moving. He's still explosive. And it's like, okay, you want a guy can turn the corner like that. And people will like, oh, he didn't have that many pressures this past year. right They're combing through all of that stuff. and then you go back to like 2024 and you go, oh, okay. So we're putting, you know we're we're stacking a lot better games. Yeah, I think he had a really good game against Ohio State and and Washington. And so games where he was kind of wreaking havoc. And if you could rein in that a little bit,
01:08:37
Speaker
then you start to kind of put together, I think a guy who, you know, you put in that, yeah cause I think Gannon would preferably like a rotation, right? Kind of what they had in Philly of, okay, we can get second team out there. We get line two out there, whatever you want to, whatever other sports analogy you want to use about that second group. Oh, he can come with that second group and get after the QB.
01:08:58
Speaker
That would probably fall into that. I think he's like PFF 200 somewhere right now. And, probably equally as far down the consensus board as well. Like he just feels like and a pass rush type where we're not talking about him as much as we are like, you know, name drop here, Grayson Halton from Oklahoma, which I feel like we should probably discuss as well, or like a Skylar Gill Howard from Texas Tech, right? But he he is another guy, I think in that same vein of like, yeah, we could we can ask him to do this thing and potentially get really good results.
01:09:29
Speaker
Yeah, I had trouble with Durant because, like, is he going to be an end? Is he going to be a a D lineman just because of, you know, the way he played and and kind of the the size he is? But if you're looking for a guy that is going to be –
01:09:48
Speaker
pass rusher mostly, that that would make you salivate with him you know lined up next to Parsons, and then you've got your other two guys in Wyatt and Van Ness with each other. that That would be quite the the lineup there. i got one that I want to throw out here that...
01:10:08
Speaker
i've First off, the name, the way I've been pronouncing it in my head has been just, it gives it makes me giggle a lot, but it's Dominic Williams out of Oklahoma.
01:10:25
Speaker
and you know i said he's a little bit on the shorter side does have good uh arm extension he tracks the ball well and his speed looks pretty good for a bigger guy but the way i've been pronouncing because of the way it's spelled is d-a-m-o-n-i-c i've been pronouncing it demonic And, you know, because that kind of fits with the way he played. And I think he can give you a little – from the bigger side of things, he can give you an all-around type player.
01:10:56
Speaker
And that's what I was looking more for when when I was looking at things because, let's face it, that's kind of what the Packers are needing right now is somebody that can play, you know, three downs because they have tons of rotational guys.
01:11:10
Speaker
But how many of them can sit there and play, you know, the run and then turn around and play the passer? You know, like Mike was saying about Stackhouse, you know, how many times are we going to burn a timeout to get the right personnel? Because, you know, the other teams went up tempo and were, you know, the Packers are out of alignment. So, you know, that's kind of the guy that I was looking at.
01:11:35
Speaker
Sorry, my allergies are kicking up today. That's all good. Okay, so we talked a lot about like guys who can stop the run. You kind of dabbled in it, Jake. Who are the other just might not look like a defensive tackle types? Or maybe they do, but who else could add juice to this pass rush out of this position group that you've got your eye on?
01:11:54
Speaker
We just mentioned that it's Durant from Penn State. Durant for sure Other than. I think i do think Grayson Halton, who I briefly mentioned, is another who can do that, right? A guy who, you know, again, i PFF likes what they saw, you know, overall from his season. i think I think it's a little spotty, but again, a guy who spin move, you know, attack gaps, right? Just kind of be you know, he was doing a lot of the stuff that they were asking Wooden to do this past year. They were aligning him at nose. They were aligning him at one tech, like, and
01:12:27
Speaker
just letting him shoot and and he gets downhill in a hurry. And so he can, you know, he he disrupted some some reverses and you know, that that type of player who wins quick with the hands can can again, turn the corner, win with the spin, do do a lot of that stuff.
01:12:44
Speaker
that it to me is going to be valuable if you want to, you know, kind of live in that same world of, okay, let's, let's attack one gap because we know he can do it.
01:12:55
Speaker
And we'll, you know, we'll, we'll build around that with, with how we have other guys aligned because he does have that level of juice working, working up the field. And, because he's been aligned kind of across the spectrum along the defensive line, I do feel like that gives him at least some experience of going, okay, like I know what I have to do from the three tech. I know what I do from the one. If I play low enough, if I, if i you know, trust that technique, like i can I can help this team maybe in a variety of ways and maybe that's kind of,
01:13:24
Speaker
you know what what green bay might look for because they just seem to be like now we're those these 330 guys 340 guys we're just not taking them early we just we simply can't do that so let's go after guys who we think you know can provide that juice i think i think halton would definitely provide it if if they go that direction and i obviously gill howard's another one where you know he played briefly and we didn't get to see him full season in in 25 but Man, and he's the one problem is he he looks very short when you watch him. he He is very short out there, right? But, you know, I i don't see many short guys, you know, his size doing what he's doing to offensive line. So maybe they go that route, but I think Halton is probably the more, i think the more reasonable route they take just because of the size and they they feel like he's not going to potentially be overwhelmed out there when he looks like, when Gil Howard looks like the size of a linebacker a little bit.
01:14:17
Speaker
But yeah, I think if you're looking for that level of juice, I think that's where you wanna look. And I know he's not the biggest, and I'm trying to scroll quickly to find his size because I know he was at the Shride Bowl, and I will find it in a moment, is is Caleb Proctor.
01:14:35
Speaker
from Southeast of Louisiana, but I don't think he's, I think he's probably gonna be somebody you talk about potentially next week just because of the size, but they aligned him at defensive tackle and he wrecked shop at the Shrine Bowl, turning the corner. So maybe maybe you feel like he could do that at edge at 275, we'll see, but you know that he could be somebody, you know again, who you might talk about otherwise, but another guy who definitely has has juice rushing the passer.
01:15:05
Speaker
I don't know. I get PTSD when I hear the last name Proctor. So it's fair. That's fair. That's fair. that's fair You know, there's a couple of guys that I kind of was trying to cram in last night that, you know, like you got Ahmad Moten from Miami that could fit that slot.
01:15:24
Speaker
Amari McNeil from Colorado. Look, I think he's going to be... pure pass rush i don't think he's gonna be because when he was asked to be in on the run he was getting washed out pretty much but you know he had a pretty good pass rush to him i would be remiss if i didn't mention our our friend joey van zoomeren's fellow mich uh michigan missouri guy and chris mc mcclellan yeah
01:15:54
Speaker
you know the thing that even joey kind of said he doesn't overwhelm you in any one aspect but that's he's the type of that guy that could give you a little bit of everything so more of the jack of all trades type uh i some of these guys i'm mentioning i don't know where they're going to go i'm not good at judging you know rounds for him.
01:16:16
Speaker
so Another one would be like Bear Alexander from Oregon. I thought he was pretty good with with his stuff. Where's just the one that I was looking mcle McClellan could fit really nicely into the... They picked who?
01:16:32
Speaker
Like Evan Williams? yeah Another Senior Bowl guy who... maybe doesn't jump off, but again, does everything well. that that yeah That's like a perfect, perfect candidate for for Green Bay round four. Just like, oh yeah, he does everything well. We got a guy who's going to eat snaps and can do he's not goingnna like you said is Like you said, Joe, he's not going to wow you, but he's also not going to be the sore thumb sticking out kind of thing. He's not missing tackles or doing anything that's like, oh why is he? Like, why, buddy? Like, you know?
01:17:04
Speaker
Right. The only knock that I had on him, and it was pretty common when I was watching a lot of D-line guys, so I'm wondering if that's something that they're teaching him more, it is he got a little high out of his stance.
01:17:16
Speaker
So, you know, he was a little bit more straight up when he was attacking the offensive lines. So maybe if he can, you know, get down a little bit. Because that was one thing when I remember being told all the time was, you know, you want to keep low and get up underneath the offensive linemen. And, you know, when he'd come off of the snap, he was like standing straight up. and it's like, my guy, you're a big dude. You should be able to get up under that that pad level and really w wreck some stuff. So, you know, but I was seeing that a lot with a lot of different guys that I was watching on You do see that in college
Challenges for Taller Players and Draft Dynamics
01:17:50
Speaker
a lot more. You see that if the guy is 6'4 or taller, coaches have almost like given up trying to teach him pad level. just like, just do what's comfortable. like yeah And I hate it. i hate i agree with you, Joe. It –
01:18:03
Speaker
it it just I understand there's a level of comfortability, but it's like you just you're just turning to the enemy and being like, here I am. Come get me kind of thing and stuff. yeah because Alexander's an interesting one because it would be the Montrevious-Adam draft pick where it's like we're just going for the guy who's like a highly touted for a former highly touted recruit with a lot of you know athletic, physical upside. But it's like unlike Adams who is like – still relatively celebrated by Auburn fans.
01:18:31
Speaker
Alexander, it's the opposite end where it's like, why did you leave three different teams kind of thing in in two and a half years? It's like there's questions, you know, and that that precludes them to maybe being available more, you know, possibly in day three and stuff. But you know like Jake kind of kind of pointed to, when you get into that like late day two, early day three, all of day three, it's like, okay, this guy is still available because he can't do this or because he has outstandings on his record kind of thing. As is tradition, I'll point out my Michigan guy, one Rayshon Benny, who falls into a similar bin as Chris McClellan.
01:19:07
Speaker
I think Benny's best trait is one that's not going to stand out to your average fan where he's six four not very big. at He's listed at like 305, 310. But the thing he does well is he's a long, lanky guy. And he really uses his length on his length really well on outside... on like outside zone he's like your prototypical if you're gonna face a lot of teams that run a lot of outside zone that's the guy you want at three technique who's just gonna be able to pretty much run with an offensive lineman and just be like hey like i know you want to reach block me but you're not going to kind of thing and you know he developed better get a better anchor against power over his career
01:19:48
Speaker
never quite put the pass rush together but you always saw flashes of like like jake said there's like something to work with there and there is the like he has he's one of those guys who he has so many counter moves but you don't know what his established like is he a rip through is he an attack outside shoulder but he's like he'll throw like he in the same game he threw across the face he threw a spin move and he'll throw like a hesitation step at you and you're like,
01:20:20
Speaker
Like, why does it, why don't we hear about this guy more? And it is just the whole, like, he just doesn't rely on one, like, go-to move where it's like, oh, this is his fastball. It's like only a 50 fastball, but it's a fastball that it's like, he sets up all his other moves. He's kind of just the throw the kitchen sink. And then like, eventually someone's just like, there's too many moves. i don't know which one to prep for, but he's a guy that it's like, if they picked him date round three or round four, I'd be like,
01:20:47
Speaker
That's a good, like, they can they can make something. Because like you said with McClellan and Joe, it's like he's not going to embarrass himself on the majority of snaps he plays. It's just going like, okay, cool. He's out there. And then every once a while you're like, holy shit, like who did that kind of thing and stuff. So, yeah. Yeah.
Player Highlights: Benny and Graves
01:21:07
Speaker
Well, if Mike is going to throw one of his out there, then I obviously got to throw one of mine out there. and that's Mr. Aaron. That's the marching brand of this show. Yep.
01:21:19
Speaker
The only thing about Graves is he's listed at 295. So he's going to be another one of those that, you know, Does he drop a little bit of weight and and try to play the edge? Does he you know put on a couple extra pounds to you know play more of an interior guy? But you know the thing about Graves is he's been consistent through his time at Iowa.
01:21:45
Speaker
And and the other thing about being at Iowa is it always seems like these guys will start out as freshmen and play as fresh you know limited time as freshmen.
01:21:57
Speaker
But then when it's their last year in college, that they're like the spotlights on them. And they they they really rack it up. you know Lucas was kind of the same way. Mike was kind of the same way.
01:22:10
Speaker
Yaya Black last year was kind of the same way where, you know, it really just kind of shined on them. and And, you know, when we talk about edge rushers, Max Llewellyn is going to be on that, too, because he's he is the same way. they They worked in the background. They did some good things the last couple of years. And then when it was their final year.
01:22:31
Speaker
They kicked it in. And I mean, just playing interior for Iowa, you know, according to yeah ESPN, he had 17 solo tackles, 20, 37 total, five sacks, and he even had an interception. So, you know, I, I,
01:22:50
Speaker
What can I say? I love an Iowa guy. There's not too many times that an Iowa guy's come out that's like, yeah, i fuck that guy. i don't want anything to do with him. But, you know, it just – if – He's another one that I'm not sure where he's going to go.
01:23:09
Speaker
you know, I was trying to run a mock draft simulator the other night just to get my bearings back on things. And a lot of the lists have them as like a day three late rounds type guy. But then, you know, I've seen him mention, i think one of the times that you and JJ ran a simulator on on your guys' show, he was there at like he was talked about in round three, round four. And it's like, okay, so what where does he necessarily sit in
Restocking Defense: Lessons from the Past
01:23:38
Speaker
things? But like everybody else from the Iowa defense, you know you know his motor's there.
01:23:45
Speaker
You know he's got the ability. He's going to – he's got the repertoire to be able to throw multiple pass rush moves on him if need be, but he's going to be another three-down guy that that can play both the pass and the and the run Yeah, i think I think Benny and and McClellan are two that, again, just aren't going to be the flashy, like, oh, wow, look what he did here a lot on film. right They're going to be the lunch pill guys, and you need some of those. right like I know that's not as exciting, but also like this this defensive line room, if you look at like the multi-year salary cap table,
01:24:29
Speaker
how many are going to be here in 27, right? Like you, you kind of have to restock the cupboard. And like, I know, I know there's a massive need at corner, but like if if you were telling me like O-line, D-line, corner, which two of the three would I love to restock to try to get it to full capacity? Listen, Gannon won the Super Bowl with a pretty horrendous corner room, honestly. Like guys who were on the decline, like very clearly and could not keep up with...
01:25:00
Speaker
you know low a. dot Chiefs receivers and that's just it's so like anybody know worth their salt knows that a great pass rush can completely cover up a shitty defensive back I mean yeah because I mean Micah did it for what like eight eight ish nine this weeks until they really like if you have guys who can you have four who can destroy people in front of you i mean quarterbacks are gonna gonna be crapping themselves for for four quarters because they just they're like all right well i don't trust my protection at all like that that that seeps into your mind so yeah i think i if i'm not mistaken i could be
01:25:41
Speaker
I know Moten went back, which is a shame because like he would be. Yeah. oh dady Totally. Yeah. He would be like another, I think probably pie in the sky guy just because of how the defensive line class is set up.
01:25:53
Speaker
Like, I think people saw the national title game where he was just wrecking shop against Indiana and they're like me included and be like, please declare, please declare, please declare. I really, I really want him to. The only reason watched him was because I was trying to cram in a bunch of guys and Caddy had him on the list and was like, okay, watch him. That's the tricky part of this now when there's like two different deadlines because you played in the natty or not. Like it's, it's, it's so annoying to keep up with, but like,
01:26:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think this, again, this group of D linemen, it's going to kind of, it might just be a Goody special again this year where it's like, we weren't in range to take anybody in the second or third round. We just, we didn't get any of the guys we wanted. So we're taking two or three of them on day three after some move backs and accumulating a
Trade Strategies and Young Player Potential
01:26:37
Speaker
few picks. And with the lack of a first round pick, there's a possibility that that the Packers do a lot of trading back just to recoup some draft capital, so that that could hurt.
01:26:49
Speaker
Not i even hurt, but that could limit. Yeah. And so that's, again, this is tricky where you're in a a spot where you traded two for a guy you absolutely should trade two for.
01:27:01
Speaker
yeahp but again, i think it... Oh, no, there's no way that I would poo-poo that. Mike and I talked about that several times, that if you could have told me that... yeah And I was just thinking about this last night. this is That was a total...
01:27:14
Speaker
Madden trade. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where you you're... in your your franchise mode and you're trying to get a pass rusher and that it lists like three positions that says, you know, this is what they're looking for. So you're like, well, I got this D tackle here. Let's just throw a couple of draft picks on it. And and, you know, complete. And now it looks like the Packers may be winning that trade even more because the rumor is, is Jerry's wanting to cut Kenny to save money. So, you know,
01:27:46
Speaker
don't tempt Goody with another good time of bringing Kenny back. And he can do it on minimum salary because the offset laws and or the offset rules and stuff like that. Like, I just don't, yeah, don't put it past it. Like, like we're talking about all these free agents of like, Oh, this could be cool. It is. It's like, oh good. Good. Good. Looking at every Kenny Clark interview. And at no point does Kenny go fuck green Bay. am never going back. He only talks about it fondly. And like with the highest regard, Goody's like, I've still got him. So,
01:28:16
Speaker
Cody's like, hey, hey, hey, Kenny, kenny oh Kenny, we're sending you to Dallas, okay? I promise you, you will be back, okay? You will be back. And this time, Micah's going to be to your right, okay? Or he's going to rush for line right behind you. You're going to feel a hand on your hunches. Exactly. It's like, wait, am I the center on defense? Yeah. No, but like... I mean, I wouldn't rule it out. Like, I think there's a chance. Like you said, they're going to have to get creative with this defensive tackle room because of the lack of early day picks. Because of the lack of a round one pick, the draft class is really thin at the top.
01:28:56
Speaker
it's a lot of it's all about tetris piecing that's going to have to go on with the with with the defensive tackle class this year defensive end is a little more like there's there's pieces that fit multiple roles you have better young options you know there' there's much more to be happy about within oliver and uh and a Sorrel on your roster as up and comers kind of thing. Whereas it's like, OK, like, I guess we have one more year of Wooden and brook Brooks. And you like I said, the the first third of the season, I really liked what we saw out of Wooden. And and you you had to understand that.
01:29:29
Speaker
You needed someone to step up because he wasn't going to last the whole season just shooting the gap but off the snap the whole
Free Agency Impact and Player Growth
01:29:35
Speaker
season. It just wasn't sustainable. Yeah, because teams will trap that, and yeah, they'll do all that stuff. yeah and And I commend Wooden for just trying his best all season because it's like a guy who's, like, from the the moment they traded Kenny, you were like, this guy might double his combined snaps played from his first, and he basically did. And it's like and and I was like, what are they going to do? and i watching week one, it was like he was really good. And then I'm like,
01:30:03
Speaker
I don't know what the plan B is because there's no way he's lasting past like the bye week at this level kind of thing. but So you know you have those two.
01:30:13
Speaker
I'm really excited to see what Brinson can do with the full offseason and stuff. And that's the thing is like we can talk all about these draft picks, but it's really going to be whatever you can cobble together with $10 million dollars total in free agency.
01:30:27
Speaker
and whatever Brinson and maybe Stackhouse give you in a year two step up kind of like that's that's your your I don't want to say trusted but that's your realistic tangible upgrade at defensive tackle is what you're going to get from those three avenues and whatever wooden can give you more you want yeah and Kenny Jake, we want to say thank you for joining us today.
Closing Remarks and Jake's Insights
01:30:54
Speaker
It's always a fun time having you on. like
01:30:57
Speaker
and And we love unpacking positions and so roster situations like this one where It's like, I appreciate having you on for the ones where it's not the straight dead giveaway ones because it it just gives you so many more ways to probe your mind and get your insight on things as opposed to like, oh yeah, like you should just pick this guy. Like it's a no brainer. Like, yeah. I know that's not possible because we don't know who's going to be there, but I like when we, you know, push the buttons on the jukebox and you have to go and dig up a disc from the bottom of the repository. yeah i always appreciate how you're able to do it on the fly and really help us fill in the blanks. And like I said, that's the thing is like, we have 36 fans. We want to make sure they're all really engaged with this. And we always appreciate your time, hi Jake. So thank you for joining us on another year of our draft preview episodes. Always. It's it's a blast. It really is.
01:31:50
Speaker
Where can everyone find your work, G? So yeah, if you want to at Jake and I will draft on the everything app these days a lot going on over there. there there are there are links There are links there that you can go to by YouTube and sub stack. We're working on plenty of draft stuff throughout the next you know two and a half months or so. lot of prospects stuff. So that'll all be there. and And yeah, I've got the Packers thing every week as well. They're probably going putting some a few things over there too. But if you go to as you're going to draft on Twitter, you can find all of those links.
01:32:22
Speaker
Awesome. and And that's the thing. Go check out Jake's stuff because he goes more in detail on on these guys. This is just a quick overview of of what we can what we've seen. And, you know, the the problem with what Mike and I do with our show at this time of year is we go week by week by position. So, you know,
01:32:46
Speaker
Basically, unless we've watched and Mike probably does, i don't. But unless you watch from like spring games on you know, you try to cram as many guys as you can in that one week. So you can look at least a little bit intelligent and know what you're talking about when you when you bring in a guest for that week to talk that position. But check out Jake's stuff because he does go into more detail on things.
01:33:11
Speaker
Yep. So as Joe course corrected me earlier on in this episode, next week we're going to have Westendorf on. We're going to talk defensive ends. But one more time, want to say thank you, Jake Sheving, for being on with us to talk defensive tackles.
01:33:26
Speaker
The Packers offseason marches along. you know we We've got a bunch of different position groups. that are We're covering all the position groups, but a bunch of different guest hosts who are going to be on to talk draft with us. But for our defensive tackles class, this is going to be we're going to tie a nice bow on that one.
01:33:45
Speaker
And as we always say, go Pack Goal and aloha.